Caught with his appendage in a wringer, David Miscavige has done what he has always done. Shouted “THEY’RE LIARS, THEY’RE LIARS.”
But this time he is truly the boy who cried wolf.
He had his lawyer, Michael Hertzberg say this to the LA Times:
“Please be advised that Mr. Miscavige does not know Mr. Powell, has never heard of Mr. Powell, has never met Mr. Powell, has never spoken to Mr. Powell, never hired Mr. Powell and never directed any investigations by Mr. Powell.”
This of course is contradicted by the police report where Mr. Powell told the police that Miscavige HAD come on the phone to tell him to let his father die and not call 911 when they thought he was having a heart attack. He wants everyone to buy into the idea they just made this up.
What Miscavige is actually saying is what he ALWAYS says: These people who are impugning my wonderful reputation all lied. And I know NOTHING ABOUT this whole affair.
Though in typically sleazy fashion he does not specifically and literally say that.
Let’s break it down and I will explain things based on my experience and what I believe this means.
Mr. Miscavige does not know Mr. Powell — probably literally true. He likely did NOT know his name. Many of the PI’s working on this sort of assignment for the church use altered/false names or code names (Powell had a fake ID). Powell was probably known to those who were aware of this operation — a VERY limited number of people — Miscavige, his secretary Laurisse, Warren McShane “President RTC”, Linda Hamel CO OSA Int and perhaps one other person in OSA Int as well as some attorney who was the “cut out” — by a code name: “Bullwinkle” or “Harold” or “The Kid” (the name used for Dave Lubow) or a variation of his actual name such as “Mr. Power” — Dave Lubow was known as Lebow, Lublow, Lablow and a few other names. So, if asked: “Do you know Mr. Powell?” it is literally true to say “I don’t know Mr. Powell” (I know “Mr. Power” who is the same guy, but you didn’t ask me that).
has never heard of Mr. Powell — same as above, probably only heard of “Bullwinkle” or “Mr. Power”
has never met Mr. Powell — same as above — it just sounds better when you say the same thing three times. Repeat it often enough and it MUST be true.
has never spoken to Mr. Powell — clearcut lie, but could have been “literally” true “I only spoke to Mr. Power….” And actually it’s better to say it four times. Makes it even more convincing.
never hired Mr. Powell — of course he didn’t. Nobody “hired” him other than the “cut-out” lawyer. A choice of 3 — Elliot Abelson, Rick Moxon or Gary Soter. My money is on Eliot Abelson.
never directed any investigations by Mr. Powell — I doubt he ever issued a “direction” to the investigators except when he was on the phone. The way it works is he tells Lou or McShane and they then implement it through Linda Hamel. But he had to say he didn’t talk to the PI on the phone or he couldn’t deny his involvement otherwise. It sure wouldn’t be believable that suddenly one day out of the blue he talked to PI’s on the phone and two minutes earlier he didn’t know they existed or that they were following his father.
Of course, you could say “they didn’t ask him the right questions.” I bet there were plenty of other questions, but this is the only answer they were given. And believe me, no matter how you asked, even if he was on a lie detector AND under oath, he would figure out a way to deny any knowledge of it.
But here is the real rub: there is NOT A SINGLE PERSON IN SCIENTOLOGY who would dream of taking ANY ACTION AGAINST DAVID MISCAVIGE’S FATHER without a direct ORDER FROM DAVID MISCAVIGE.
I have made mention of this before. There are certain subjects that are too hot to touch. Miscavige is the MicroManager from hell. He has to approve everything from the type of carpet in reception in Malmo to the lettering on a promotional flier for one of his events. And then on top of that there are subjects that nobody would dream of even breathing on without his orders and/or explicit permission. These include, but are not limited to:
Marty Rathbun
Mike Rinder
Leah Remini
Tom Cruise
Shelly Miscavige
Ron Miscavige
Jenna Miscavige
John Travolta
So, what is the truth here? David Miscavige ABSOLUTELY knew about the surveillance of his father. He absolutely knew that obscene amounts of money were being spent on it. He gave carte blanche for any amount of funds to be allocated to this and it could NOT be cut from Financial Planning allocations.
How do we know this? It is EXACTLY how the PI’s were run who surveilled Pat Broeker for 20 years.
And I know for a FACT that Miscavige got routine, regular reports for the entire time on that investigation. And Miscavige’s father was much more volatile even than Broeker. Why was he so worried? His own father could corroborate the testimony of a lot of others about the Hole and abuses meted out by Miscavige and the fact that he too had escaped from Miscavige’s compound in Hemet, California. Literally a planned and executed escape.
But how else do we know this statement is a lie (and note, the statement is NOT from Miscavige, he still keeps another level of plausible deniability “I didn’t lie, my lawyer misspoke”) — because this would have been a ridiculously elaborate scheme cooked up by these two PI’s in coordination with the police and prosecutors to frame David Miscavige. What motive did these guys have for lying? They were getting $10,000 a WEEK. If it was just an attempted shake down, why didn’t they shake Miscavige down 2 years ago? Why has there been NO NEWS of this at all?
There is NOTHING plausible about David Miscavige trying to proclaim, like Sgt Schulz, “I know nuffink.” Anyone who has been around Miscavige or has worked on these sort of matters knows that he was ALL OVER this investigation and not a move was taken without an order or explicit approval from him.
The good to come out of his latest round of blatantly lying denials (check out the representations he has made in the Monique Rathbun lawsuit for some excellent earlier wolf crying) is that it so clearly demonstrates to the world that this guy, even when caught to rights, will lie about anything to protect himself. And his constant shouting that everyone who has ever exposed the rotten abuses inside scientology or the fact that he is a sociopath is simply a liar now doesn’t even pass the laugh test.
He has dismissed everyone up til yesterday with various labels that are supposed to give credence to his claim that we are all liars:
They are bitter defrocked apostates
Bigots
Propagandists
Paid haters
They have an axe to grind (probably right about that…)
We removed them for malfeasance 75 years ago
They have no up to date information etc etc
Last night he hit the wall. The Powells and the West Allis Police Department are none of the above. So he is reduced to just shouting “Liar” and he has nothing at all to back him up. Literally nothing.
It’s quite amusing to watch a man who has accused EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS EVER CRITICIZED HIM of being a LIAR to be exposed as the biggest liar of all.
Karma sucks.
Karma does suck.
i’m really hoping one day miscavige will get declared or blow, cause I really want to see his freedommag.org smear video!
what will his catch phrase be?
david miscavige, the new kingpin
– parent murdering sociopath and compulsive liar
You are such a brave person to come out like this fearlessly and on a consistent basis. I’ve been doing some research into Scientology lately and I want to let you know that I really respect what you’re doing. You are obviously eminently qualified to make judgments based on your vast (and might I add cringe inducing) experience with the church and you seem to know their standard operating procedures front to back and inside and out. Keep up the good-and extremely important work!
Regards.
Good sentence parsing “depends upon what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is.”
I just wanted to make a comment on the Phoenix blog written in February. I am not a Scientologist, nor would I ever be. I remember in the 90s reading something about it and thought it was a scam that did not resemble health in any shape or form. Mike, I have read many of your blogs. I have also read Jenna Miscavige Hill’s book last year. After watching “Going Clear” I jumped on this site (and Marty’s) to read more of your work. I do prefer your blog entries as you use very little buzz words compared to the other blog sites. As intelligent outsiders, we can read and decipher ex-scientologist’s message giving us valuable insight, although honestly — What a headache! Putting aside the cult aspect and the abuse of financial gain, I would have walked out of the center the minute I found out that I would have to speak in so many acronyms and dumb down my intellect with generalizations and repetitive non-creative language. Anyways, I live in Phoenix. Too bad DM didn’t send a survey party to understand our metro demographic, it would have saved a lot of money! Arizona is staunch in Mormon Religion. Matter of fact, our state government is Republican AND Mormon. Ever take a look at the laws being passed? So disheartening. Scientology would never make it here. No matter what war tactics or pots of honey they bestow on the residents. We are a transit environment with astonishingly smart youth studying at ASU, numerous business growth, one of the largest fitness community in the US, and affluence all around. I can’t imagine who they would get to walk in their doors outside of some transient people looking for food and shelter.
Please keep up the wonderful work you are doing. It is so important that the individuals leaving Scientology have a safe haven and ear to vent on and to help them de-tox from the years of suppression and abuse. It breaks my heart…as most went their unhealthy in the first place. They were looking for help. Instead, they just added more complex issues on top of their core issues complicating their lives even more. I bet the fear and distrust in everything they experience for quite some time will be extensive.
Thank you for taking on so many subjects in your blog. Education is key. I truly hope the IRS revokes their religion status and the US Government shuts them down by prosecuting all that need to be in jail. I would love for the billions of dollars to be put into our Social Security fund and put towards renovations of our infrastructure.
Have a wonderful night!
Take care,
D.Scott
What goes around comes around and the copper doth speak loudly calling the kettle black. He must think we are all too stupid to see how blatant transparent his actions and lies are.
Just watched Rip Von Rinder by freedom mag. My god,it confirmed your exhaustion and malnourishment ,while confirming you held high positions,confirmed your deliberate ignorance about goings on in the church,and quoted your practice of having blinders on,so not to have responsibility for insane crap. I can’t understand how Anyone,Anyone on earth can see these insane smear campaigns and be like,yup,see he’s sleeping,he’s a liar,look this guy dedicated his life to this church,,was a spokesman and did the John Sweeney handling and after it he blew, what executive of an organization that’s head was his bff,and a family suddenly,would leave with no money ABSOUTLY nothing? Someone that was severely abused at the highest level. Why doesn’t he shut up,everything he does is so dilusionally nuts,how do the celebs see them and think it’s great? Juliette Lewis seems smart,wtf???? Severe insanity …
Mike in the midst of all that is happening, I wanted to report on the Birthday Game. Just got the BIG MAG. International Scientology News. And it says: “Ms. Erin Banks from the International Management Public Relations Office presented the 2014 -2015 Birthday Game Champions in every league.” Where is ED INT!?
Of course, there’s never REALLY been an “ED Int.” Guillaume was ED Int like Heber was “President” of the CoS. Willie was “ED Int” and Heber was “president” like I’m the Sultan of Brunei (I’m not, by the way).
True Joe, but at least he used to be paraded out for the Birthday Game event. Now I guess he’s “never to be seen again” like Heber. It would be so great to see these guys out and free. Guillaume, Ray, Heber.
Mike, thank you for another really good article.
I have wanted for some time to comment on the fact that auditors were thrown over board for some stupid reason.It may seem funny to some but is a serious issue.
Aside from the possibility of becoming ill from filthy or cold water, being thrown over at a height of 30 feet or more can be crippling or fatal if one does not land right.The Navy goes to great lengths to teach students the correct way to leave a ship: Feet and legs together straight and vertical,hand over the crotch,(go figger),close your eyes, cover your face and keep arms in close.You may have to drop from as high as 90 feet.
To throw someone over board will get you a court martial and time in the brig.Maybe get the shit beat out of you by your ship mates in the process. I hope that this was not too non sequitur at this particular time.
For the dad (Ron M.) and all you others who escaped or blew, or are still in or God forbid “on-deck”.
Sea Fever by John Masefield
I must go down to the seas again, to the lonely sea and the sky,
And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by,
And the wheel’s kick and the wind’s song and the white sail’s shaking,
And a grey mist on the sea’s face, and a grey dawn breaking.
I must go down to the seas again, for the call of the running tide
Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied;
All I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying,
And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying.
I must go down to the seas again, to the vacant gypsy life,
To the gull’s way and the whale’s way, where the wind’s like a whetted knife;
And all I ask is a merry yawn from a laughing fellow-rover,
And quiet sleep and a sweet dream when the long trick’s over.
Sweet Dreams to all, even though there are 999,999,900 million years to go, look at the bright side!
21 year leave of absence coming soon. There will be some reward for your well-intentioned service and undeniable suffering. May we all see it soon.
Class Action all of you, right back at ’em.
JG – re: “Sea Fever” a couple of musical arrangements.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU-F45tR3Kk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZgOdEkOW88
Like ’em both Nick, Kris better.
Hi JG,Thank you for this post.How many night watch hours did I stand QM on the Excaliber reciting the poem you quoted under my breath so I would not fall asleep & have to clean out the bildge! I do not have to dream Ron’s World anymore,I create my own.Class Action good,but winning very difficult.However that won’t stop us all fron shining the Truth spotlight always.Take Care & fair winds.Ann B Watson.
Thank you Ann, and no doubt you were dedicated, and are ethical. It’s pathetic and saddening when people hear one story, and then are subjugated to living another. I know you go back to days when a handshake was sufficient, and most folks kept their word. Other than a few cruises, I’ve not experienced much ocean, or many parts of the world. When we take the good from our endeavors, and remember these best, recovery and return to normalcy may be possible. Bless you all who have lived it, and your collective TRUTH will eventually win. The GAME today seems to be “divide and rule”. Whatever good that finally gets accomplished will be the result of your mutual efforts. There are just too many good people, and similar “stories” for this abuse to remain unpunished. Businesses and perhaps even Religions sometimes need to “kick ass”…but come on. “Enough is Enough”.
Hello JG,Thank you so much for your very kind words.Got me misty eyed for awhile.Yes looking back@ myself then SO 74-78 end of yr, I see a very young wide eyed 22 yr old who totally believed that my dream, Ron’s & The SO would be this life’s work.Especially since I had only read Dianetics & wrote & listened to ISB & dear, dear sensitive brave Likky.With just those tools & my Intention I was part of The SO @ ASHO FDN.Yes I still have some incredible recalls of times together & what we wanted & am amazed @ what we did accomplish in the 70s.However all that can fade to the back of beyond very quickly when the intrusion of what really happened to me comes forward.Basically all the Tech & Admin that I thought was used for good was turned full force on me & used for enormous negativity for a yr or so. Toward the end of my time & I finally blew because of this. I have heard others on this blog talk about how if you are really in COS SO or GOI the only way one will listen to anything outside the bubble, is to have a wrenching hit in the face literally experience that breaks you to yourself.That is what I received. I was not RPFed,yet,but more RPFed while still expected to be really upstat on post etc,& get torn down for hours @ night by GOI.So I want to send love ,light & blessings of happiness to all on this blog,minus the Trollees! Y’all have my forever respect for speaking out.& Mike & Christie really are my heroes.After 40+ yrs flying over under @ through the radar Mike gave me the courage to join this blog.Thank you all.Take Care,InTruth Light & Freedom.A Forever Friend Ann B Watson.
Morality, like art, consists of drawing the line somewhere
I have not been making a lot of comments recently, but that is only because what is happening to and with Miscavige and his Church speaks better for itself than anything I can think of to add. Mike, your posts have been great lately, but you gotta admit Miscavige is throwing you batting practice quality pitches.
There are so many outpoints in those police reports. Biggest one for me is the level of pi the COS got for 10k a week. I would think they would be entitled to at least some ex cops or some investigators with a little bit of professional presence. If the COS wanted to economze, I think they could have had these bozos for 750.00 a week each, TOPS!
Secondly, there was no reason for that pi to get in a fight with the cops. That really started the whole thing. He could have just answered the questions and if there are more questions, answered those until the cop was satisfied. He wasn’t doing anything wrong at the time and he didn’t need to be so defensive.
Third, if a person is making 10k a week, why would they stay at the motel 6? For an extra $10 a night they could get a room with a safe and lock up their guns, it seems very questionable that they needed to carry so many weapons in their car.
I can think of many more things that do not make sense about this case but these are the biggest ones that spring to mind.
Your first observation was correct. The level of PI they got was poor. That then answers your other questions. Nothing further need be said.
I read a comment at someone’s Facebook page the other day, the someone being a former Scientologist, that David Miscavige may have beaten his own father. There was a screenshot of a police report in which Miscavige, Sr. was pulled over for a traffic infraction serious enough to take him in. Miscavige Sr. was in a hurry to get somewhere and asked the officer to beat him up rather than give him a ticket! Jesus God, I hope that isn’t true. I’m not in the position many of you are or Mr. Rinder, I was never in the church though I’ve heard about it and its abuses for many years. A friend said to me once after seeing something I posted on Facebook, “Well, you know Tonya, it isn’t all the high-profile things, there are good, decent people in Scientology not hurting anyone.” It sort of gobsmacked me. But if what the book and documentary say is true, no one is really that good (they’re trying to recruit and do other things in their koolaide-headed naivete, I’m sure), they’re “disconnecting” from their own family members, they are doing questionable things. Yes, I get they haven’t woken up yet, they haven’t that epiphany which will set them free. But I cut no slack for Travolta or Cruise, there by their own design, fearful or not. They are in a position to do tremendous good by coming forward and refuse. I think David Miscavige is a megalomaniac, a monster, a waste of space. As I said on Twitter yesterday while linking an NBC video report, “I want to see #Miscavige as a human centipede trifecta with #Cruise & #Travolta”.
OBLIVION is the film that best illustrates the choices available now to TC, JT, and other high profile people who were brainwashed by this cult but refuse to acknowledge the lie. They need to travel up to the mother ship under cover to view its many compartments of clones grown with their own DNA. They need to experience the full horror of that which they have been unwitting partners in co-creating. I think they truly need to see it in its full bloody horror, to act.
From the looks of things, these shocking reports that keep coming out might be enough to shock them into realizing “we are no longer an effective team.”
Excellent post. I didn’t hate Oblivion when I saw it the other night on HBO. I was surprised.
Who makes the decisions on SP declares? Do you think Ellis checks with DM on each and every declare? Between that and all the interior decor decisions, no wonder the man sleeps til noon
VOTE !!!!
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/revoke-scientologys-tax-exempt-status
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1gCQMpIYTE
Mike wrote that Mr. Ron Miscavige Sr. made a planned and carefully executed escape from the Int. Base.
Is this common knowledge amongst staff and can anyone gives details how this happened? I would like to know this interesting story, and if anyone has information or links to read please let me know.
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/06/scientology_roanne_leake_ron_miscavige_sr.php
Story also hit Germany:
http://www.stern.de/lifestyle/leute/scientology-chef-david-miscavige-liess-eigenen-vater-beschatten-und-behandelte-ihn-eiskalt-2185835.html
FYI, this is felony stalking: “the intentional, repeated following of a person for the purpose of harassing the person with express or implied threats of violence or death.” The conduct of the 2 PIs may have been felony stalking. His treatment of the Rathbuns may be also. btw, I wonder if Judge Waldrip knows about this recent incident.
Mike, I’ve never been personally involved in Scientology but I’ve grown very interested in it lately, even before the film, and I’m especially interested in following your path.
i have a few questions that perhaps you or some of your readers can answer. Just honest curiosity and fandom:
1. It looks to me like Gold Base was a prison, with spiked fences facing inward, and I’ve read many accounts of elaborate dramatic escapes by Sea Org members. I really don’t get why criminal or at least civil charges won’t get anywhere.
1. When I hear testimonies of ex-members, a lot of time I hear defensiveness still that they didn’t do anything really wrong! And that they were declared for unfair reasons! When clearly the whole system is messed up and nobody should have to explain for any of their so–called “crimes.” Even when the former members get it, they still seem defensive. I can relate to this, having worked for tyrants in terrible jobs. But still… Do you see this as a common trait among ex-members or a part of leaving the religion? Do you think, in time, people might grow more angry and less defensive and take more collective legal action??
I’m sorry if these questions seem patronizing. I’ve dealt with abuse and such in my life too and sometimes moving on is the best thing to do. It just seems like there is a very large mass of angry abused people and a potentially strong case. I understand the religious protection stuff and that you joined the organization but a lot was obviously against your will and imprisonment and abuse.
3. I heard audio of Tommy Davis comparing scientologists to Jews under Nazi Germany. This I found shocking and offensive but a smart calculated analogy. Were you commonly encouraged to use that analogy? Did you truly believe it? If so, I can understand the mentality.
4. Celebrities like Elizabrth Moss seem to normalize the religion, like it’s just a useful practice. Do you think they experience it that way, or are they encouraged to spin their PR for fear of public reprisal?
5. Is their still abuse on the 7th floor of the Sunset Blvd building??
I just wanted to say that I’m so moved by your stories, Mr. Rinder. You’ve touched me deeply.
Thanks to anyone willing to entertain my questions.
With this evidence, the “Going Clear” doc and all those coming forward who were harmed, WHY WHY WHY isn’t the church under intense police investigation? Seriously, is the “church” protected from EVERY allegation because of its status as a religion? Insanity!
Yahoo news:Tom Cruise is Brainwashed by Scientology.
Gee maybe he should run away a join the circus, OOPS he’s already in one.
David Miscavige has never heard of Mr. Powell.
Has David Miscavige ever heard of ELDER ABUSE?
Doesn’t exist. There is nothing you could do to anyone that they did not already deserve.
Yo Dave,
How am I doin good buddy?
“Please be advised that Mr. Miscavige…”
This statement is exclusively for the faithful who might have seen the “entheta” article in the LA Times. Just to give reassurance that everything is fine and show that this is just another attack on Scientology because it is growing and expanding so fast under the leadership of David Miscavige. Apparently, now police departments are fabricating reports with ghost PI’s claiming they were hired to follow the Supreme Leader’s father.
Everyone should believe that. All is well.
Dave, the natives are getting restless. You know and I know “the faithful” have already thrown their own parents under the bus in order to remain in good standing and won’t think less of you. It’s these god damned wogs that have issues with elder abuse.
The good news is, where you are headed, you might need those kinds of attitudes. You ain’t exactly a spring chicken buddy. Hell, by the time the prosecution rests, you might be using a walker.
For only 10K a week, I can liaise on the outside, with relatives of the inmates and arrange your comfortable and cushy assisted living. Of course, I will need a separate account aside from my weekly, to cover bribes.
Ring…ring……Hello?
“Umm….this is David Miscavige Oracle.
I have been reading your posts over the last two days I don’t know if I entirely like your attitude but I want to know if your offer of comfortable and cushy assisted living is for real. Right now I am under a lot of pressure and you may be just what I need. I’m good with the 10k a week but I have to know you will have my back. Seriously, shit is hitting the fan and I don’t like catching it right in the face.
I want you to go to a phone booth near La Quinta, California and call me from there. It’s an old phone in the desert that I trashed back in the 70’s, you’ll know it when you see it. I’m having it fixed and when you pick up the receiver I will know. Don’t delay, time is of the essence.
You and I are like minded in that we both understand money. I love the capitalist spirit in you. I think we can do business as we both see what is truly important in life. I look forward to hearing from you……Don’t disappoint me….The Duke”
Laughter!
Dave, err Superman. For an extra 5K a week, I can arrange for handwritten letters to arrive at your cell bearing praise, sympathy, admiration and steamy worship (if you get my drift). I can also have all your mail read in advance by an inmate already in there, that might be less flattering from ingrates.
XXOO Pioneering the way!
In World War II, the Germans came up with a clever plan to free some POWs Stalin had captured. They captured Stalin’s son, Vladimir. They then said “we’ll give Vladimir back if you free our soldiers.” Stalin replied “I don’t have a son named Vladimir.” Davey would do the same thing.
Stalin did not have a son named Vladimir. His two legitimate sons (he also had an illegitimate son) were named Yakov and Vasili. It was Yakov who was captured by the Germans.
Yakov Smirnoff?
“In Scientology, we don’t find the PI’s, the PI’s find you.”
Man I wonder if the PI recorded the conversation? If so he has Davey by the balls!!!
Not possible. He has none. If you think he does, they belong to someone else!
It must be so difficult for David Miscavige, what with all of these people who don’t know each other, have never met and spread across the world who are telling their stories about Miscavige and their experiences in Scientology. Repeatedly claiming that these people are liars and the statements are all lies from bigoted people is plainly immature. It’s a whole lot of whining. Why not clean up your act, David, and join the adult world.
Why not clean up your act, David? RK you question is fair and seems reasonable on its face but:
“A characteristic, and one of the sad things about an antisocial personality, is that it does not respond to treatment or reform.” LRH
Dave has had access to the very best of auditors but it is rumored he has not sat down in front of an auditor for decades.
He doesn’t need no stinkin auditing. Auditing is for the imperfect beings of earth.
Join the adult world? He’d get fired after he, Lou, and Jenny Linson ganged up on a customer screaming that he ***DID*** want fries with that, and running an additional unauthorized $50k on the credit card for the Golden Arches Meritorious status.
From an outsider looking in, after watching Going Clear, it amazed me that how many clearly VERY intelligent people get sucked into this “religion” and for such incredible amounts of time. And the hindsight afterward is almost crippling. How did that happen to me?? Talk about getting pulled into a cycle of abuse. And it seems as though DM actually wants to BE Tom Cruise. Too bad for him that can’t happen, or I’m sure he would have done it.
Jesus Christ on a cracker, the Toxic Dwarf actually pays these lawyers to put out stuff like this? Your average wog would head over to Netflix and get or stream a copy of “The Bad Seed” and learn how to be a proper liar…
…oh, wait, watching that movie would inform Davey that a ten-year-old girl is a better liar than his overpriced legal team. Then he’d have to replace them all with ten-year-old girl slaves in CMO. I wish he’d do that. That would actually be entertaining, having a bunch of Patty MacCormick wannabes in front of the camera lying on behalf of the Pope Smokes Dope. It certainly fits the atmosphere surrounding the cult right now.
CoS has now gone full Fellini. Anything they put out is automatically categorized as being somewhere between surreal and unreal.
Fellini would be proud….
It’s pretty much La Douchebag Vita or Amardiscord from here on in, OSD. And it’s going to be fun to watch.
I am still laughing my ass off that his lawyer actually sent an expletive-laden rant to a media outlet. I could see if this was just communication between himself and another attorney, but c’mon man, really?? It’s not even a clown car anymore, it’s a clown car on fire, with one wheel, leaking fluids, crashing into everything it passes.
I find it immensely entertaining. I knew Karma would come for him, I never thought she’d be this generous to us.
Nola, to what expletive laden rant are you referring? I haven’t read Tony’s yet so I’ll check that out but if its not there I’d love to know where I can read it!
re your ‘Pope smokes Dope’ comment…
does anyone think that DM uses some kind of drug, street or pharma, regularly…
would fit a profile of someone railing against something whilst secretly indulging…
as this story keeps unfolding is beginning to give off a whiff of ‘Last Days of the Emperor Nero/Caligula/Claudius’…
or more likely one of the Byzantines or Ottomans…with their elements of fanaticism and courtly intrigue!
I do love your way with words, my friend! I’m still laughing…
The entire denial was a knee jerk very poorly executed TR-L. Anyone who has drilled this for more than 3 minutes would have flunked him.
Miscavige, however, “knows all” and therefore just made himself look less credible than Bill “I did not have sexual relations with that woman” Clinton.
Saying nothing would have been a much smarter move. I’m so glad Miscavige doesn’t have the capability of pulling that off.
Unfortunately even with this new revelation, I don’t think there will be a mass exodus out of this church. The average KA drinker upon finding this out will be saying or thinking, “even if this story is true, poor Davey even his own father is a big SP and part of this cabal”. They are in a sad state of denial. I hope to be wrong about this.
Mike thanks for keeping up with the truth, love your blog and like many others I am addicted.
Sadly I think you are going to be proven right Ms. P.
“An inability to confront evil leads people into disregarding it or discounting it or not seeing it all.” LRH
What I do think will happen ( as many have already mentioned ) is that what is taking place now will keep new people from ever getting involved and the church will fail by attrition. Dave has ruined the product so no one is going to open up their wallets to buy what he’s selling.
Gone are the days of crowded parking lots at the Pac Base, 150 people at roll-call for the Briefing Course, jammed lines at break time at the canteen and busy reception areas at ASHO and AOLA.
Mr. P — no. There will never be a “mass” exodus because as stated by others – one leaves when the already formed cracks in the mindset of a SO member, staff member or public person get BLOW WIDE open due to a personal shock that knocks your world off kilter.
EVEN Miscavige going to jail will not create a mass exodus. Nothing will create a mass exodus except a Jonestown/Waco type of tragedy and this isn’t the scientology way as Mike and others have said in their opinion many times.
That said — this latest WILL cause others to leave.
Agreed Ms.P – sad but true. They will think that Mr. Ron Miscagive Sr. must have done something wrong to have “blown” the Int. base and therefore must have hidden overts/crimes against the church or his Dear Leader son. The PI story will be rationalized away, and they will see nothing wrong with having an elderly man under constant surveillance by heavily armed PI’s.
Truth is sometimes stranger than fiction.
KFrancis, Windhorse and Pepper – all your responses are spot on and I totally agree with you all.
I’m delighted that you all made a comment to my comment because I LOVE all of your statements on this blog, I’m always in agreement with you three. You are very wise indeed.
Thanks Ms.P!
Dear Mike,
This is a great article. Possibly the BEST of the BEST.
More insight on the “Punching Pontiff”
NOAA should be alerted to a Whale Migration from Clearwater
You are a very courageous man! I admire you for working hard everyday to open the eyes of those who are trapped in Sciencetology.
You got to love that the chickens are coming home to roost. This guy is insane. I really can’t believe the sh×t he has done to this point and has never been jailed. It’s time for this A class looser to be punished for his crimes against humanity. He makes me want to vomit just to see his crooked smile. I was always told as a child never trust a man that talk out the side of his mouth. This may be the effect of loosing the reactive side of his brain to scientology. Oh that’s right he don’t practice it, he just enforces it. I think its is all a scam to get free labor and donations period… nothing more nothing less! Peace to all. I wish anyone still in this environment the best of luck, you should run now while there worried about other things. Might be the right time.
You had me at “Caught with his appendage in a wringer”
And you know, Martin, I tried to imagine it, but, it was just way, waaaaay to gross…
Here’s an interaction I had about an hour ago that I think y’all will find kinda interesting. I was walking down one of the main avenues in Lisbon, Portugal when I noticed a storefront across the street with the triangle and following it the logo, Scientologia. I couldn’t resist, crossed the street and peered in (a small mission I would guess). A man in his 60s about my age waved me in and I entered and introduced myself. Turned out he lived in my home area for a while and I mentioned someone from his town who had been my senior and it turned out he worked with him as well for many years. So my bona fides was sort of established. This man did catch that I had said “was” in my introduction – I was a Scientologist for 35 years. So he asked me about that and I said it was a long story, that he probably didn’t want to hear about it. He said “I don’t want to hear about anything bad.” I fixed me best TR0 with affinity on him and with real intention, I said “You know, NOT confronting something will not make it go away.” He agreed that was true. I told him how my org was booming in the mid 70s and the state of my ex org now. I then said that I wouldn’t spend a lot of time telling him bad news, but that if he checked today’s LA Times, he would see a story of Miscavige using CoS money to spy on his father, tens of thousands of dollars.
I left it at that. Frankly, I didn’t want to launch into a rant with him. Seemed like a real nice guy and I wasn’t interested in caving him in with a lot of overwhelm. I mentioned it and if he wants to check it out, he can. But I could see right before me that of COURSE he doesn’t want to hear any “bad news.” (I acknowledged to him that in his universe, any bad news was considered entheta from SPs). He is in HIS “Scientology universe” and he has his stable data that keeps him IN and in some sort of happy state I guess. But you see the mindset? IT IS AN OVERT ON HIS PART, A BREAK IN FAITH, IF HE PARTICIPATES IN A COMM CYCLE OF INFLOWING “ENTHETA.” This is a guy who’s been in for 40 years.
Again, I realized how largely useless it is to talk to people who are in about this. I’ve mentioned before my opinion that you need to get a shock that knocks this universe off kilter before you leave Scientology after being heavily involved. I’ve told what mine was a few times, Mike, Marty, Sheldon, BB Jane and most of you have done the same.
As a note, there were no other people in the mission when I came in, but two women entered about a minute before I left.
Thanks for the report. That is the org. It is the only Scientology in Portugal.
The ramifications of finding out the truth are too painful.
DAVEY-BOY, JUST WHEN I THOUGHT YOU COULD NOT POSSIBLY STOOP ANY LOWER, YOU PULL OFF THIS —— AND TOTALLY CONDEMN YOURSELF.
This shows just how ethical the Sea Org actually is. It’s boss now gets on the front page of world wide media accused of easily provable & heinous crimes concerning his own family and no one in the organisation is capable of being ethical. The SO is the most downstat and out exchange group on the planet that ever called itself a religion.
Those stupid, stupid people aren’t even aware it’s not their religion that is being questioned or attacked – it’s their leaders own out-ethics that is drawing the bad press and publicity, It’s been that way for over 20 years.
They have totally lost sight of their purpose and goals in life. david miscavige is your problem and has been ever since he first put on an SO uniform. Now that he’s drunk on power and is in actual fact the SP your organisation was originally formed to prevent from attaining power on earth, let alone of Scientology.
The embarrassment in monumental, you morons. Wake up for heaven’s sake before the whole shooting match goes down the drain. Money and lawyers won’t save you, their goal is to only save miscavige, the bus approaches…
The fact that there was a lengthy interval of time between the arrests and the their disclosure leads to some interesting questions. Who authorized the disclosure? The police chief? The mayor? The governor? The FBI? It well could be in all this time negotiations were going on between Miscavige and person X over the size of the bribe to keep this incident out of the public eye. Miscavige apparently thought the price was too high and refused to pay it out thinking he could weather the PR storm he knew would inevitably ensue. Or perhaps, more tellingly, he just couldn’t come up with the amount asked for because of depleted bank accounts. :>)
Mike, I LOVE your blog! I especially love the first line of this one 🙂 Do you think there is any chance Miscavige is going to gather up a bunch of money and make a run for the border before any more sh** hits the fan? I keep thinking that is coming. Of course, he’s a narcissistic little troll who probably think he can keep saying everyone is lying and that everyone believes that. Now would be the absolute perfect time for any celebrity who is being held captive (cough, John Travolta, cough) to leave. With all this press about Miscavige and the church, he can just claim his black PR file is fabricated and that he never said anything in it. The church will have witness who will say I was there, yes he did, and it can be claimed they are lying, just like everyone who left the church!
my two cents is miscavige would never run. an exit without losing face could be possible if he had no choice, but if that wasn’t possible, he would allow himself to be arrested before he ran.
he’s too long been without restrictions or restraint and taken every hit so far dealt to him, so that’s all he knows.
there isn’t anything else he knows and since it’s worked up to now, he’s just gonna keep doing what he knows.
only a few years into his jail sentence would it start to dawn on him that it’s really over.
My 2 cents is that David Miscavige will never leave. He’s got the sheeple and whales right where he wants them and he will play this out and suck them dry until he can’t suck them any more. Then he’ll go off the lines with his replacement all set up and his talking points. The big Fail of the church won’t be obvious to those who remain until He is off the lines; then, of course, it’s someone else’s fault.
I agree with this that Miscavige will never resign and was just thinking about this subject with yesterday’s news.
I do wonder though, if Miscavige would ever pull an LRH, become a recluse and run the church from some secret, remote location. He could duplicate a similar system to what LRH had going from the late 1970’s to his death. He’s really only a step away from becoming a complete recluse because he never shows himself to people except at an event and hides away at his Int base, Flag or the Int Mgmt office buildings in Hollywood. Dave doesn’t venture out amongst regular people and is surrounded by sycophants. He’s in his own little world.
“If Dad dies, he dies.”
We can be pretty certain when Dave utter this he wasn’t lying.
I wonder just how furious Dave would have been had his Dad suffered a heart attack and the father and son PI’s took effective steps that saved his life?
Even though they were NOT scientologists, he’d still try to lock them up in The Hole (which continues to not exist). Sociopath. Pure & simple…
Hey Hertzberg, swearing in your response to the media. Classy.
Just what a lawyer should do in a response that will definitely be in print and possibly make it to television (which it eventually did). Either you’re paid very well to do exactly what Miscavige says, no matter how stupid it is, or you’re the dumbest lawyer on Daves payroll (and that’s saying something when you look at the list of them).
Either way, keep it up. You’re doing a bang-up job of burying Co$ in a landfill where it belongs.
You know, NOLAGirl, I believe in the past he wanted his underlings to swear because it would make them look and sound like tough guys. Mike, can you shed some light on this? Did he ever ask you to swear at people?
Excellent breakdown, Mike. And only the most foolish or craven news media tool would fall for Hertzberg’s statement, it being so obvious in its attempted slipperiness.
What was never answered? These hypothetical questions:
“Did the Church of Scientology, through any of its entities or agents, contract or arrange to contract with private investigators to follow and report on David Miscavige’s father?”
“These private investigators have told the West Allis police that they were hired to surveil Ron Miscavige Sr. Will the church or COB RTC have any comment on how this came about, if not directed by the Church or any of its entties or agents?”
Let Hertzberg answer those questions.
Nailed it, hgc10. These are the questions.
Phone records?
Or am I being naive?
After reading the police report I was stunned on how this man was armed. It’s like he was going to war. With all the mass killings these days I am surprised more was not made of the 4000 plus rounds of ammo he was carrying. Cell phone signal blockers, Gatorade bottles of gas, a whip?
I wondered how much of it was ordered by Miscavige and how much of it was a sad man trying to impress his young adult son with his big shot job. Either way, the potential for disaster was huge.
Richard: Most PI s fail police school but are really good at sorting through garbage even if you have a big dog and its doings.. Of course Powell needed 4000 rounds as he was a lousy shot! That’s why after passing the order down the lawyer ladder (each rung taking their 15% finders fee) to distance the scotch quaffer from his quarrie there was only $10K per week plus Motel 6 accommodation, plus car rental and misc expenses (like ammo) left for Powell and Son.. I assume Powell was smart enough to salt away a good retirement account in the settlement and the lawyers of course all took their 15% and contingencies back down the ladder in the settlement. Your tax money at work.
Miscavige reminds me of a courtroom video I saw where a man, obviously guilty as sin, was defending himself in court. The judge’s questions became too tricky for him so he feigned a heart attack and collapsed on the floor. The judge was having none of it and told him to get up! (LOL!) Of course he was committed to his preposterous lie even though he knew nobody believed it. The judge continued with the proceedings while he lay on the floor looking more and more ridiculous with ever passing minute.
Roger,
We had a wife beater defending himself after no one would take his case because he had chased the woman out of the apartment, dragged her by her hair and beat her in front of witnesses. He was questioning his ex-wife:
“When I was chasing you across the complex …. Wait, strike that”
The entire courtroom erupted in laughter.
The guy is serving 40 years in the federal pen.
So, everyone is lying again huh? *yawn*
I am just curious Dave, for what possible reason would these guys have brought up your name? This didn’t just happen, these guys knew nothing of ‘Going Clear’ or any of the rest of the media tsunami that was headed your way. You aren’t that famous, outside of your own mind, Dave. How would they even know your name? They aren’t “church” members, they’re PI’s (and not very good ones I might add) and you’re wanting your faithful, and the rest of us, to believe that in an interrogation room, with the recorder turned off these guys just pulled your name and this whole following Ron scheme out of thin air??
Either a) They’re lying or b) You’re lying Dave.
Sorry Tiny Tosser, myself and most people who read your lawyers statement are going to go with the odds and take B.
Wow! Davey! Your memory SUCKS! Scientology can help you with that. How about Lisa McPherson, Kyle Brennan, Flo Barnett and Annie Logan? Any of those names ring a bell?
Brutal, Sam. I like it!
We saw this sort of denial when the Debbie Cook matter was settled. The court papers said that neither the plaintiff (Flag) nor the defendant (Debbie) paid the other any money and they have withdrawn their respective claims against each other. All in an attempt to make it look like the parties just walked away from each other (which would have been a loss of the CoS because they picked the fight in the first place.) But then we saw that RTC, CSI, and every other CoS entity was enjoying some sort of indemnity from Debbie – because NO DOUBT – they (but not Flag) paid her. There is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that there was a payment to her from a bank account belonging to the CoS. Loss x Loss = Loss squared and Pouw would say nothing except to refer to the court papers/agreed judgment.
It reminds me of that Pink Panther movie : Clouseau :”Does your dog bite?” Man: “No”. (BITE BITE BITE).
Clouseau: ‘I thought you said your dog does not bite!” Man: “That’s not my dog!”
Miscavige’s “dog” is OSA. OSA knows Powell.
Artful lying. The church and david miscavige are the best at this.
I don’t know what all you lot are complaining about. For me, David Miscavige is the best leader that the Church of Scientology could possibly have. I am confident that through his genius and efforts, the Church will continue to go in the right direction and achieve its desirable conclusion. 🙂
Here, here! +1 on that.
I agree David is the best thing that could have happened to $cientology – from the Freezone perspective anyway. Miscarriage is inducing so many people to leave the Cof$ that a HUGE percentage end up finding the Freezone. At Freezone SF we offer former CofS members a FREE session (approx 1 – 2 hours) to begin the process of completing the EXIT from their church organization.
Auditing still works. It is thru quality Class VIII auditing that you can re-orient yourself to what works with the Scientology technology while disentangling from the behind-the-scenes corruption.
I just wonder if Powell didn’t, by any chance, record the conversation he actually had with miscabbage, now wouldn’t that be a hoot!!! Just thinkin out loud here, but since he was a PI and had all this equipment, wouldn’t it be logical (it’s a stretch, I know) for him to keep recorded conversations of his instructions just in case he got his wanger in a ringer? It could REALLY blow up this story big time and the main networks would pick up on it, now wouldn’t that be a kick in the old caboose for davey.
Unfortunately, from what I understand both Florida and California are two-party states when it comes to recording phone calls 🙁 This would make it very difficult for the police or a civil suite to bring up any recordings made, I doubt DM would agree to being recorded. Releasing them may open one up to civil suits, depending on the exact nature of the laws. Am also not sure how it works with calls that occur in two jurisdictions. On the other hand there are the call logs which should be fully available even in a civil case. While am glad that Ron Miscavige appears in good health, look up his exer-genie videos! I am going to point out that him not having a heart-attack makes it difficult to persecute anyone under Florida’s “Duty to rescue” laws.
I am not lawyer and am not giving any legal advice!
Here’s a couple quotes, what this sounds like to me:
“For a guy who moved all day long, Paulie didn’t talk to six people. If their was a union problem, or say, a beef in the numbers and only the top guys could meet with Paulie to discuss the problem. Everything was one-on-one. Paulie hated conferences. He didn’t want anyone hearing what he said, and he didn’t want anybody listening to what he was being told.”
“For us to live any other way was nuts. Uh, to us, those goody-good people who worked shitty jobs for bum paychecks and took the subway to work every day and worried about their bills were dead. I mean they were suckers. They had no balls. If we wanted something, we just took it. If anyone complained twice they got hit so bad, believe me, they never complained again.”
-Henry Hill, Goodfellas
LOL – one of the greatest films of all time.
Davey sure is a little punk ass.
I think that all of the media attention devoted recently to all of these things may well be the tipping point. Thanks to Mike and Marty for all you guys do.
Ron Miscavige escaped? Do you know the details Mike?
I’ll understand if you can’t print them.
Not only did Ron Miscavige escape, but, Diana Hubbard’s daughter escaped as well.
here let me google that for you: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ron+miscavige+escaped
The police report has a couple of priceless entries.
The first is, “Suspect – Miscavige, David” – page 15.
The second is Daniel Powell stating to the officer (because Miscavige had told the PI’s to let his father die) that “he viewed Miscavige as an animal” – page 22.
A front page, above the fold headline in the L.A. Times that directly targets Miscavige!
Screw HBO, Dave. And screw the whales and the celebs, too.
Your sources are telling you that law enforcement has you in their cross-hairs. Prosecutors are looking at provable charges, and immunity for those who will testify.
To run or not to run. That is the question
Will be soon be blessed with a “who is ron miscavige sr.” website?
Will the petty tyrant dig up or invent some dirt on his own father? Will he go that far to protect his crumbling and shattered image?
I expect Dave to trot out the New WHY any day now. Something like Xenu was present in the bedroom the night I was conceived so it’s all Dads fault for not providing a safe environment. But We have the combination of science and religion to fix these things and I promise to be nice from now on.
Yo Dave,
I don’t think it was science and religion that got together the night you were conceived good buddy, more like poop and glue.
My question is, don’t lawyers have an obligation to be truthful? I mean, is there no accountability? Is this not a breach of ethics within their own profession? When lying for Miscavige, are they not culpable when he would be? Does this arm’s length all of sudden to away all obligation to tell truth?
These lawyers could not possibly believe that Miscavige is telling the truth, that someone, anyone else ordered this to be done other than him.
Will these lawyers ever be accountable?
I also noticed that they didn’t offer up any other explanation for who did it. It was still done. Who did it? Why does Miscavige’s dad think it’s his son doing it? Even if Miscavige didn’t do it, somebody hired these people. Since Miscavige is the head, the buck stops there. Is Mr. Head Honcho so incompetent that he has no ability to control any of his staff? That these people would just decide to tail his father and spend 10 grand of his church’s money without getting approval? Well, even if they did that, it’s still his responsibility anyway. The Pope of Scientology cannot escape his responsibility.
“don’t lawyers have an obligation to be truthful?”
Ground Control to Sindee…
🙂 Exactly. Oh Sindy Sindy Sindy….
You are too good. I can see why you weren’t a very good fit for being a member of the church of scientology.
Sindy, How does an attorney sleep? First he lies on one side, and then the other.
” My question is, don’t lawyers have an obligation to be truthful? I mean, is there no accountability? Is this not a breach of ethics within their own profession? When lying for Miscavige, are they not culpable when he would be? Does this arm’s length all of sudden to away all obligation to tell truth?
These lawyers could not possibly believe that Miscavige is telling the truth, that someone, anyone else ordered this to be done other than him.
Will these lawyers ever be accountable?”
Sindy,
Good questions but the long answer is ……………..NO! It is not in their job description and it would have a negative impact on their income stream.
An attorney’s ONLY obligation is to keep from losing his license to practice. Your question is a good one because it asks “how far can a lawyer go without creating grounds for disbarment?” I’d like to know that myself.
The lawyers are tell what to them is an acceptable truth. This is part of why Scientology needs so many damn lawyers. Otherwise, they couldn’t keep the multiple versions of “the truth” separate. First the lawyer is only relaying what his client said. Second, This lawyer was not involved in hiring these PIs, so he has no personal knowledge that would make DMs calms invalid. Thus he can easily tell this lie under the cover of he didn’t know better. In many states lawyers cannot lie, so how do they defend a guilty client? They never let the client say anything to the lawyer that proves guilt. If the lawyer does hear something like that. It’s time for a new lawyer. The lawyer will frame his questions very carefully. Example “Do you think the police divers are going to find a gun in the pond?” “Yes, they might find a gun.” “Would this gun have your finger prints on it?” and so forth. Yes, the lawyer may believe the client is guilty but he doesn’t know this for fact based on what he hears from the client. Yes, even a fully red handed client can still be defended since the evidence could have been alter,planted,etc.
Remember Lawyers never lie they only tell a favorable version of the truth on behalf of their clients. Okay, some lawyers do out right lie but only if their sure they can get away with it.
Hi Sindy:
The professional rules of conduct give lawyers permission to make misrepresentations in many circumstances such as negotations with other attorneys and parties. “My client won’t take a dime less then $200,000 for this house!” David’s lawyer could have asked himself the following questions.
1) Am I under oath? No, good I don’t have to tell the truth to a wog reporter..
2) Am I making a representation of fact in a court to a judge? No, same result.
3) Even if 1 or 2, have I been careful not to ask my client what really happened, and since I wasn’t in the room when this PI was hired, I have no first hand knowledge that contradicts what Slappy wants me to say. Great!
Thanks.
Roger Hornaday says
April 10, 2015 at 11:21 am
An attorney’s ONLY obligation is to keep from losing his license to practice. Your question is a good one because it asks “how far can a lawyer go without creating grounds for disbarment?” I’d like to know that myself.
^^^ That really is what I meant. Yes.
Sindy, Mike explained how, by giving the Private Investigators nicknames, or by changing their names ever so slightly, Miscavige’s lawyer can claim that Miscavige never knew “Mr. Powell”, and also explained how the hiring was done by others, so that his statement to the press, was mostly technically true, the exception being the lie that Miscavige never spoke on the phone with this PI. Lawyers are good with language, and they don’t offer information. To get the truth, one frequently has to ask the correct question. When you’re sworn in as a witness in court, you have to swear to tell “the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me God”. But this only binds you to do so as regards individual questions.
baby although I chose this lonely life
it seems to be strangling me now.
with all my big cigars and fancy cars
they’re all laughing at me now
yeah I knew how to use, I broke all the rules
but I’ve been a fool oh, what a fool
but I must let the show go on
baby, there’s an enormous crowd of people
They’re all after my blood
I wish maybe they’d tear down the walls of this bubble
let me out, let me out
oh, I’m so blind oh, I’m blind
I wasted time wasted, wasted, wasted time
talking on the line, the phone line
but I must let the show go on
baby, I wish I could escape, leave and get away
far far away from this masquerade
but I must let the show go on.
New subject-has anyone seen the prime time ads that give us ‘all the great accomplishments’ of the younger lrh ? all lies that have been told and written about in the last decade or two. like his exploits in the military and explorers club . most of us have heard or read these stories over and over again. i personally believe this ad was made to run after the documentary when the shit hit the fan as it did yesterday and today about ron m.the ad was well done but it contains all lies. anybody else seen this yet ?
Yes I saw it on Twitter and I replied to it. I’ve been bombarded with paid scientology ads on Twitter and I make a point to reply to each one. I’m amazed they haven’t blocked me yet. Kirstie blocked me the day after going clear aired.
When I was reading the L.A. Times article on Miscaviage on The Raw Story, as I scrolled down, there was an ad for, yep, you guessed it, scientology. I believe this is SOP for them. They can’t just do nothing.
This was probably to do with the nonsense at the recent Birthday event – it is only for the True Believers, anyone else can find the truth very quickly.
New discovery of lost tech:
Before the press can confront and understand the truth, they must first get through the Wall Of Pants On Fire. …And it appears that a few are now making the grade!
“Wall of Pants on Fire” – OMG, good one there!
Mike Rinder, you’re doing an excellent documentation of so many critical relevant aspects of Miscavige’s church, I’d have to review a couple of years of articles to begin to categorize them all. Off policy, Bridge alteration, circular Bridge, Bridge to nowhere, abuse, slapping, hitting, jumping, screaming, staff lackeys, lawyers, PI’s, blatant lies, false PR, empty orgs, endless funding – all spiced with the hilariously ridiculous such as the bird-house cam and the number of grommets in the International Ecclesiastical Tent, oh, and the RAF (Rinder Air Force). I don’t know how you keep your sanity. You s-u-r-e scientology doesn’t produce super powerz? Right now, if you just got some geek to print out your articles and compile them sequentially, you’d have a book. “Memoirs of A Bitter Defrocked Apostate.” (I think that’s already been suggested.) How to translate it into Congolese so the 100,000 staff at the Ideal Org on that big river there could read it, I don’t know.
I’m beginning to think Scientology does, in fact, produce super powers. The super powers to see one’s own indoctrination, to break the fuck outta there with no one and nothing, to fight back against it with unfettered persistence, and to help those who are still imprisoned.
Maybe the bio should be a graphic novel. Is “DeFrocked Apostate” a cool superhero?
Hi Nickname, I agree with your post. For months I have really wanted Mike to write his book.He is a fabulous writer & I would love to add his work to my The Dawn After my SO Adventure On This Planet Collection.Take Care, Ann B Watson.
I don’t know if I believe in Karma, but I do believe it sucks to be David Miscavige.
Spot on Mike. And you would definitely know wouldn’t you.
where are the millions or 100s of 1000s or 10s of 1000s or 1000s or 100s or 10s of scientology standing up to speak for their leader? for their religion? for truth justice and LRH’s way? don;t the know tere are bigots to fight and rights to protect?
you can hear a pin drop. when travolta spoke it sound like
“to watch to watch to watch this this this this movie ovie ovie is is is is a a a a crime im ime ime……..”
where is the governess? where is jenna “AIDS is a state of mind” elfman or Kirstie the Klown?
i haven’t seen anyone mention this but i’ve been wondering if he was blindsided by this? both did he know about the arrest when it happened and also did he know the article was coming out. because he didn’t prepared. the responses seem hastily done.
Where are the millions or 100s of 1000s or 10s of 1000s or 1000s or 100s or 10s of cash? David is SOOOO MONEY. Cha Ching Cha Ching !
Call me Dave. I app,… app,…. app,…. app,.. appreciate you Superman!
LOL Oracle give it up. Davey and I already made a deal. *shudder*. Where is the hand sanitizer?
Nah never mind you can have him, that money is so covered with blood I wouldn’t consider touching it no matter how much of it he threw at me (and I know you’re just joking too, which is what makes your comments just so hiLARious).)
Blood money for sure. My blood. Your blood. Mike Marty and Karen working double shifts for thirty years, sixty years and more of labor regular time. The blood money is our money. It is all blood money. The bloodiest money you would ever see. There because of our blood. Several people should have had Golden Parachutes, 401K plans, etc etc. But you know, it will all get sorted out.
He was absolutely blindsided by this. Absolutely.
Hey dankoon! How many of his staff do you think he beat up because of this FLAP?
All this action took place nearly 2 years ago. DM is past any caring about the incident, but he is always vulnerable to any anti-$cieno news. Especially when it comes back to him. I have to think that he still has some HE & R for his father, but that ship may have sailed too. How much was Powell paid to shut up permanently?
Perhaps the segment from 7:20 is relevant^
http://www.ted.com/talks/pamela_meyer_how_to_spot_a_liar?language=en
The clip from Peter is fascinating. You can just tell David MIscavige and Tommy Davies are liars. They are not killed enough to pull it off.
tony-b, I believe your right! Maybe they should be “killed” a little more. Oh wait…my bad. You meant skilled.
Zorry Zurfer Dude. Eyezight izn’t what it uzed to be. I need to rezign up for going clear and correcting that.
Hi Mike. Do you think it is significant that David Miscavige identified himself as David Miscavige during the phone call to Dwayne Powell?
Did that or does that give some leverage to breaching the corporate veil and layers of insulation?
Thanks for staying in the dialog.
Better that he identifies himself as David Miscavige than his true identity: Agent Smith, from the Matrix.
Considering that Hugo Weaving’s also played a transvestite and an elf, that seems an oddly appropriate comparison for the Dainty Miss.
Brilliantly spot on, as always.
When OSA’s Sylvia Stanard would tell the media “We don’t do that anymore”
I would explain what she was saying was “We don’t do that any more”
Any more than we used to do it….
The LRH “Dead Agent” policy seems to have been correctly applied for the first time in history, using Time, Place, Form and Event.
As far a micromanaging is true. When his mother, many years ago, used to get some auditing at Flag, reports were made daily on the progress. RTC was all over and any action whatsoever to be done on the mother needed approval. I do not know for a fact he ordered this or that, but knowing the obsession of control, we can only assume he was also directing this.
At least it was some sort of help, nothing compared with harassing your own father with PIs 24/7 in case he spilled the guts.
The media is going to see what you pointed out Mike- every one, including Anderson Cooper, Alex G, Laurence W and of course Mike R, Marty R, and many others are liars if they dare to point out something about him.
I guess, in his own twisted frame of mind, he is the only one honest in the whole planet. What a horrible state to live in.
In the twelve years I’ve been involved with the technical side of Scientology, executive-directed auditing or “help” was very detrimental to the person involved. In every single instance.
In fact, for a while, my job was cleaning up the poor souls subjected to such. And in every single case, they were complete and utter messes, where only 10-12 hours of “counseling” or “interviews” required months to undo.
As to your question, the three times I witnessed with DM running the show, he called every single swing of the needle in real time from video camera, reviewed all videos a number of times, every session worksheet, and directly told the CS what to do in the next session.
He reminds me a lot of Super Skip in The Sociopath Next Door – the book you recommended a while back that I have been thoroughly enjoying. Well, Super Dave – How long can you get away with it? Mimsey
Glad you are reading it. I VERY highly recommend that book to anyone trying to understand David Miscavige.
BTW, Mike, I’m currently reading Rick Ross’ latest book: Cults Inside Out. Great read! All these cults have so many traits in common.
Wow! I just don’t know what to say Dave. I just read the police report and honestly Dave, that P.I. must have been PTS Dave.
He got into some heap of trouble carrying around that silencer. He got popped for just standing there originally. He was on a motivator flow, and pts. Then, you know, he got booked and spent the night in the pokey. That made him another type of PTS (criminal) on your personal payroll. And, is seems he pulled all of this in right after he spoke to you, and you ordered him not to lend medical assistance in a possibly life threatening situation, to another human being. Like, bam!… he went PTS to someone right?
He had a lot of nerve screwing up that mission and bringing all of this attention down on you, what a source of trouble Dave, right? It’s hard to find good help these days.
That’s why I’m reminding you that if and when you need to go on the lam, for 15K a week I can help you into a safe house, and transport whatever large suitcases of cash you might need moved around. Payable in advance six months because you know, I would have to clear the calendar.
Later Dave.
Oracle – you crack me up. Gotta love ya.
Great breakdown Mike!
Spot on. Thanks, this made my day. Tim
Dave,
Robert Durst was turned over to the Feds today, are you next?
I am getting so sick and tired of all the abuses of Scientology and no one ever gets arrested for their crimes.When can something be done about it!!!
It’s a cautionary tale. One better be fully aware of what religion one joins. Once one chooses a religion with its First Amendment protections, that person cannot object to the practices of that religion even if it infringes upon his freedom of speech or many other freedoms. I had no idea that the tenets of the church of scientology would ultimately be used against me.
Even though I had reached the point where I was done with scientology, I wasn’t allowed to be done with it without suffering from the consequences imposed by that religion.
It isn’t a crime to pay outrageous sums to a ‘private investigator’ to have your father followed. The CO$ probably calls it ‘ecclesiastical’. It would seem to an ‘inurement’ problem.
It is a crime to place a gps device on their car. The law treats that like bugging, and remember Anthony Pellicano is doing a long stretch in federal prison for that crime.
It is a crime to posses unregistered handguns with out a permit. It is a federal crime to posses a ‘silencer’. That crime is good for 5 years (or more) and fine of up to 1/2 million in federal prison. I don’t know what Wisconsin’s laws are in such matters, but letting Powell walk away is just so over the top that I can’t believe it. ATF was involved, why didn’t they bring charges?
Wisconsin ‘recognizes’ concealed carry permits from some states. This must be why Powell was not charged, but the seized handguns were melted down. Strange, the whole thing is, said yoda.
A picture keeps popping into my mind of DM being escorted into a courtroom in one of those cheap, orange outfits with chains on his wrists. Without the pompadour and shoes with lifts.
OMG but I think no grounds for arrest
I would think that Miscavige has P.I.s employed for celebrities also.
Even tabloids do better celebrity reporting than “Scientology oriented” P.I.’s. Pick up a copy of the National Inquirer if you want and learn more about Leah Remini in 1 page in 5 minutes, than ANY church P.I. can tell you. So what is the value in hiring those people to monitor “SP’s” if the SP’s only terminal is supposed to be the International Ethics & Justice Chief care of the the local CLO? The Church of Scientology NEVER practices what it preaches and never preaches what it practices. 🙂
I think every celebrity thinks that as well.
Nah, He just sends the celebrity a few SO people to be the celeb’s household staff, secretary, and “handler.” Just like Salieri did to Mozart when he wanted to know what was going on with Wolfie – Salieri hired a housekeeper for Mozart, and then got reports of all the goings-on from her (watch the film Amadeus – it’s brilliant).
Katie Holmes had to escape her “household staff” first in order to escape her husband. Lisa Presley also canned all the clam workers at her house. Then she sold the place and moved to England.
Tiny Dick Miscavige gets off on voyeurism.
One of the things that I found most morally reprehensible about scientology is the idea of “pulling it in”. But damn, der Dwarfenfuhrer is pulling it in big time.
Pardon my ignorance, euprax, but I’ve never heard of the “pulling it in” concept, and I would greatly appreciate a quick and dirty explanation.
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I’m not sure where the idea originated in scn but it is firmly believed just about anywhere you go in the organization that if something bad happens to you then you must have pulled it in because of your own overts (harmful acts), I’ve even seen this extend to someone being accused of pulling it in when they were mugged walking home from the org one night. Everything is backward in scn, instead of being the victim you are clearly the guilty one for having done something harmful along your dynamics and thereby pulled something bad in, just more examples of a crazeee cult.
Dwarfenfurher!!!! Love it!!!!!!lols!!!
This isn’t “pulling it in”
This is Karmic Backlash, pure and simple.
Same thing.
Isn’t that about the same as Karma?
Pretty much the same as Karma, the way I see it.
Great observations . think you are insinuating this all might be the tipping point. hope you are correct.