Delusion within the fundamentalist church of scientology is the order of the day. Usually the stories of the astonishing power of scientologists to shape world events is talked about on the “grapevine” or maybe mentioned on Facebook or in personal emails. But here is a communication from the most senior scientology official in Europe, feeding fiction to the sheeple as you must believe it fact.
At least Walter Kotric has an excuse for his horrendous spelling and grammar. Though if he is going to send messages out in english he should get an english speaker to edit and proofread them before doing so.
Amazing how these sort of things become legendary “truths.”
What is also interesting is that he quotes this supposed LRH telex (a telex from 1979 remains a hallowed unchangeable policy because it is signed by “Ron” though highly unlikely to have been written by him, but that does not matter) and then proceeds to tell them to do something else — ie “get donations for WTH booklets.” And he appears not to even notice. In church terms, he just “cross-ordered LRH” by changing what Ron said to do by adding getting donations which has nothing to do with delivery of services. Just like the story he told about how Munich staff were off with signs at the NATO airfield and “Ron” told them they were doing the wrong thing — they should ONLY be delivering, he then proceeds to tell his charges to get donations for WTH booklets.
How do these people, who have in theory studied the Data Series, become SOOOO illogical?
But he does have Exclamation Tech down.
Of course, the really batshit crazy stuff is the very large, smelly elephant in the middle of the room — that somehow Munich org averted World War III by auditing and training .0001% of the population of their city (nobody in Russia or Afghanistan….).
Fundamentalist Scientologists brought down the Berlin Wall and prevented a nuclear holocaust. Just like fundamentalist christians through their prayers to God brought retribution to the gays in the form of AIDs.
These people are wackjobs.
Dear I HELP Member,
This is a short message I want to give you about what is happening right now in the Ukraine. And of course the Crimea.
I start with a story: When the Russian army marched into Afghanistan in 1979 the West and the US went up to the 2nd last level of alert and got ready for World War III.
Near Munich there is a military NATO airfield and 800 airplanes where on the runway with running engines. The pilot was sitting in the plane and constantly new fuel was fed to the plane. Under more then 80% of the planes atomic bombs were mounted and everyone who saw that had a total panicky feeling that this is going to be the end of the world.
All of Munich Org demonstrated with several 1000 citizens of Munich outside this airfield. The Banners said: “Don’t go to war!” Don’t drop the bombs!” “Refuse any insane orders!” etc.
Our ED reported this to LRH and LRH the next day replied and said this is not the way to handle a situation like that.
Here is an excerpt of this telex:
“You are to immediately engage in a maximum effort to delivery every penny’s work of service you have ever been APd for and deliver it with excellent tech so there is not one dime of refund. Get any help from any tech people in your org or area and keep qual actions going to make sure.
Continue meanwhile standard promo and sales and delivery actions. DO NOT quibble with this order. ACT. Your Org’s future depends on it.
ACT NOW. Love = RON”That week we did a highest ever of auditing hours in Munich Org and lo and behold all planes disappeared from the airfield. All Atomic bombs went back into the underground storage places where they belong. Also all other orgs in EUROPE did a highest ever and we all had a win.
Planet Earth started to breath again. Several 100 PC’s were very VGI’s from all the good service they got. Many wife’s and girlfriends stopped crying as they didn’t have to worry about their husbands or boyfriends, that could have gone into a useless but most likely very terrible war and die for nothing.
So what’s the morale of the story? Start to deliver like never before, get every auditor who can audit in session. Have highest ever delivery. Get every public on course. Get donations regged for the WAY TO HAPPINGESS booklets and distribute it to everyone who needs it which is everyone in the Ukraine and Russia.
If in doubt lets do what LRH says should be done. It worked then it will work again!!!!!!!!
Let’s make sure SP’s will not win. Let’s make sure the good guys under the banner of the S and DOUBLE TRIANGLE will win.
We are the only ones who have the tech to sort this out so use it to the hilt.
Over to you and lets have some roaring delivery!!!!!!!!
Much Love,
Walter,
CO CLO EU
I understand it now! I do! The bad grammar… The spelling… The poor sentence structure… I get it! The Co$ are, in reality, the Nigerian Email Scammers.
It all makes sense now.
ROFL — yes, makes sense — both parties want the same thing — ALL YOUR MONEY!
I had been on staff in Munich org that time but cannot remember that any staff had a day off for a demonstration. Anyway, there had been public demonstrations near Munich. The reason had not been Afghanistan but the Pershing 2 rockets that should be stationed there. “Mutlangen” between Munich and Stuttgart.
I believe the airbase they are referring to is Ramstein, which is right near Munich. The thing is, the 7th Air Division which operated out of that airbase during the Russian invasion of Afghanistan served primarily in an air refuelling and reconnaissance capacity. I.e they did not drop nukes… Scientology FTW!
Formost above said it all in a nutshell – very apt comments. I think that the upset we all have on this scene of saving the planet is that IF we had been training auditors and thus auditing loads of PCs for the last 30 years this scenario would have been far more real. 30 years of wasted time We have had over 30 years now of this lunatic COB sabotaging Scientology delivery by heavy ethics towards auditor mistakes, poorly trained and snarling “Supervisors”, the 3 swing F/N debacle, making it horrible to be on staff, poor management programs, hey you Org boards, donations for IAS and Idle Orgs despite LRH advice against such, etc. etc. etc.The amazing thing is that those still in the RCS see it completely opposite – they believe that COB has done the reverse of all these things and “enabled” Scientology delivery! Well, it indeed seems as if the blind are leading the blind. How blind can one get? Obviously the sec checking tech in the Church now has also been sabotaged as they are not getting the real overts of supporting such insanity. I am training students on their Solo Courses currently who have “done” the Pro Trs and Metering Courses in the 90s and the amount of false data and mis-application and also laziness (they only want to learn the bare minimum as they are disillusioned with “training”) I am discovering makes me somewhat speechless. FLUNK! (Apparently Ethics chits have now also replaced pink sheets or simple use of the word “Flunk!”) Needless to say the students are now avidly lapping up the real tech and studying extra of their own free will without any enforcement etc. I mentioned that I was training students “trained” in the 90s to a Class VI friend of mine and his reply was “Oh! No!” followed by a groan. Says it all.
Thanks for the comment, Foolproof. What is your real name? That way when I need training, I’ll know who all the Course Sups are that I can go to for training. You might as well get free advertising for your service by posting with your real name on Mike’s blog.
Fantastic!
…….and nary a peace prize to show for it.
I worked with Walter back at Gold in the late 70’s, early 80’s. He was so wacky, he was comical. He was just a goofball that one couldn’t take serious. A walking outpoint. It figures that he worked his way to be in charge of Scientology Europe. The crazy leading the crazy…… Hip, hip, horraYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!
Matt,
You hit it on the head. Walter = goofball.
Something in the background of my mind comes up with the “Pete(r) principle” that such guys can rise
to such high posts.
Greta
“Meanwhile, continue standard promo and sales…”
This was in the order, so I’m sure the drones saw the word “sales” and ran with it.
Sales is not equal to services anymore. It only means donations and regging people for money to go into the black hole of unaccountability.
I also agree about the deflection tactic. This is a red herring to turn people’s attention away from a failing, greedy church to a thriving one that through its good deeds, is saving the planet.
The reality is that stopping the next world war will take a tremendous amount of guts. Protest takes guts.
Witness the Pussy Riot trial:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuqGws1fCnc
I admire their guts. They have a voice. The sheeple don’t have the guts to protest; therefore they don’t
have the guts to stop a war. They have no voice and their silence is deafening.
“….so there is not one dime of refund.”
Quite apropos to Tony O & Marty’s blogs today…the real story is in that phrase. Potential WWIII is seen as a prime moneymaking opportunity.
One thing you can never forget about religion is that it always includes, in a greater or lesser degree depending, a certain amount of magic and myth. Without the human needs for those, there probably wouldn’t be much religion in the first place. People DO INDEED LOVE THAT. LRH started I think on a sort of scientific path, but I don’t think that really did it for him, so he changed course very quickly by 1953. He certainly didn’t want any government licensing or regulation or obligations to “prove” anything to any scientific body with papers, experiments, etc. And of course, he most definitely wanted to be Moses, Jesus, the Buddha, all wrapped into one “source.” Doesn’t mean he was wrong about most of his observations about life and the spirit. But the “magic” factor was there HUGELY by the PDC lectures.
So … the Berlin Wall fell because of people doing an OT level …… and prayer saved the passengers on the jet that landed safely in the Hudson River a few years ago … but of course magic religion always takes credit for the “successes” but never the failures – the billions whose prayers are apparently ignored …
Just get Putin a copy of TWTH ….. but remember, for him to act, you’re gonna need to buy at least a few thousand of them to pass out, so call right now ….
Maybe is off topic but today is Lrh’s birthday and, even though he may have made several mistakes, he certainly made my life much more interesting and successful. So… Happy Birthday Ron!!!
I share the same feelings as you Paolo…A Very Happy Birthday Ron !!!
Me too 🙂
LOL LOL LOL
Has nobody actually worked it out yet?
If the Bankers want war you have one. If they don’t you don’t have one.
If anyone ever thought somebody sitting on an e-meter could effect anything going on in Russia or anywhere ese they are as gullible as current Staff Members.
Only direct action effects anything, all else is hot air.
Oh, and don’t forget to donate while you still can
doug
Does anyone know if this is the same Walter that was co clo in the late 90s?
Im very curious. I remember him being violent and even beat up a couple of ‘out ethic’ So kids.
I always thought he would be declared in the near future.
He was a real nasty person that you always wanted to avoid…
Yes, he was CO CLO EU in the 90’s
Damn!
I remember during the beating, even some cmo staff and others watched, and no one said anything…
Is that the DM management way?
Reign of terror?
Walter Kotric was already a weirdo as HAS in Munich.
I was there in ’79. That massive trip out to the air field sure does not ring a bell…
Greta
After reading so many of these emails that seem to be put out on a daily basis, it’s getting hard to muster up interest in them anymore. If it wasn’t for the disgusting behavior of David M. and the havoc he still wreaks in people’s lives, I would probably just assign the church a condition of “stupid” and stop giving it a second thought.
How does one get out of stupid?
By walking out the door.
Being able to look helps.
To quote my Yiddish friend, “It couldn’t hoit.”
War Horse,
ROFLMAO!
Especially since my son’s Sea Org recruiter (Alex Faust) talked just like this!
(They’ll say anything to rope In new recruits–and to scare the s— out of them)
What the hell is Walter talking about?
When the Soviets invaded or according to them were invited by their Pro-Soviet allies in Afganistan the DefCon level never changed.
There were a few de’marches, the SALT Treaty discussions were suspended and detante’ was pretty much over but had been going over the edge for some time with Carter’s efforts in Angola and supplying SA with Nuclear Weapons Technology.
CIA and NSC after getting over the initial shock that the Soviets would be that stooooopid were celebrating their incursion into the “boneyard of empires” and already making plans to covertly supply the Mujahideen and our friend UBL.
Poor Walter seems to be as historically challenged like his buddy Dave and likely has two or more incidents (like the Cuban Missile crisis) confused. Because this Doomsday scenario never happened.
http://disaster-wise.blogspot.com/2014/02/defcon-diaries-list-of-alerts-and-close.html
Also NATO would never have planes sitting on the tarmac burning up fuel and their engines waiting to scramble.
On a DefCon upgrade they’d be in the air being refueled by a Strata Tanker not sitting on a runway.
The protests Walter seems to be referring to were a constant fixture at most NATO Bases back then.
Nothing unusual there.
Like this “urgent” Telex from Ron which basically says just do the usual. You know like deliver services. To counter the (not so) “bright” ideas of “management” to do anything else like regging a bunch of donations for a bunch of false flag operations that would impoverish their field and make a few money grubbing regs rich.
Wow.
That guy needs to see a psychiatrist.
War Horse,
No mention of Babylonian blood lines?
You must be one of THEM!
That e – mail by Walter, CO CLO EU should NOT be criticized at all.
There is nothing destructive in it and it is what the church (and you guys criticizing this e- mail) should be doing -and should have been doing for the last 50 years.
So, get on the ball and audit or train someone. Or get auditing yourself if you are not up to auditing or training anyone.
Will you please ?
Love,
Helmut
Helmut, I think you missed the point. In fact, I am sure you missed the point.
Seriously Helmut….
LIGHTEN UP!
I don’t think Mike is criticizing what Ron said in the email but the way Wally twisted it to say that people should donate to yet another useless Way to Haplessness campaign.
Yes I agree.
People should get audited and trained etc but that ain’t a happening thang in the Church of the Holy Tax Deduction these days.
Personally I’d say the only ones who are auditing and training people. Are People like you and Helen and Chris and Pierre and Jim and maybe a few others in the field.
The Church it seems it too interested in real estate these days.
So Walter talks the talk but he don’t walk the walk.
Wow Helmut you really are on another planet. NOTHING destructive?? Taking credit for avoiding possibly the most horrific war that could have potentially wiped out all of mankind by getting some lines on a graph to point in an upwards direction?
If you really believe that happened, or in fact COULD happen then you should just walk yourself right back into the nearest org and hand over all your money. You are EXACTLY who they are looking for.
Please, I beg of you, do some research. Find out what you are promoting. What you think is “helping” because I tell you what, it isn’t. Not even close.
Seriously. And if you think I am nuts or whatever just go back to what I originially said and just walk back into the church and resume your place in the Borg.
Basktballjane – as long as Scientology doesn’t try to take credit for the two San Francisco Giants World Series Championships ….. because I’m crediting YOU with those, baby, and you KNOW what I’m talkin’ about, kid ….
I think you may need a time out Helmut. Emotions run high when belief systems are challenged!
Hi Helmut,
I met and worked with you briefly in the early 90’s and I was always impressed by your passion and intelligence for your work and Scientology.
Your online video in which you declared DM as an SP is awesome and helped me a lot. Thank you for that.
I understand what you are saying as far as people should just get busy with their training and auditing. I have to assume you mean in the independent field.
Helmut, some of us here are not active in the independent field for different reasons. This can be because one is decompressing from being in the church in a way which adversely affected the person and they need time and space to recover. Or, someone may have children on staff or in the SO and don’t want to be disconnected from them. These are only two obvious reasons but there are many others, which I won’t go into here for brevity.
I respect your opinion, and hope that you can also consider who you may be addressing in this forum.
+1. Remember also Helmut, that the tech has been seriously squirreled at this point. In light of that, it is seriously too little, too late.
Hi Helmut!
Thank you and your lovely wife for all the love you share with others. My love to Helen. Just finished reading one of your books. Very helpful!
I Doubt many here have put in the hours, weeks, months years and decades Mike Rinder has to make the world a better place. Or have made the sacrifices he has. Considering his Sea Org schedule, if he was working ordinary 40 hour weeks he could have retired three times by now.
One of the things that has always made me sad about Scientolgists, is they can tend to discount a person’s record as “yesterday’s stats”. The Church of Scientology and it’s success was built on the backs of Mike Rinder and people like him.
I do not think it is fair to suggest he should be doing something else now. He is knowing how to know and that is clearly his purpose. It’s not as if the red carpet hasn’t rolled out him. It has. For us too, for knowing him.
A man has to do the things a man has to do. And a man has to do the things a man WANTS to do. That is up top the CDEI scale. To suggest to someone they should be something else other than what they are doing, well, I myself have it to be true that Scientology does not work unless there is desire and curiosity, up top the CDEI scale. Using it living it working at it, brings no pleasure and in fact pain, below curious and desire. All should be voluntary as a pleasure.
We are in a time where Scientology has long been way down the CDEI scale in the enforce band. It simply does not work there so all effort about it in that band is wasted energy. Brings pain and sets people up for losses, as you can see for yourself. Nobody “should” or “must” continue on. Not because of fear certainly.
Too much fear into the weave of it, too much pain in the weave of it, too many looses in the weave of it now.
People do not get involved in Scientology to suffer. They get involved in war to suffer.
Things need to change. It will all turn out alright. And mainly because Mike Rinder helped to make what we’ve got, possible.
He is not, and has not been a liability. That is just not true. He is on top of his right items and his right way just as he always has been. He helped to make the wonderful life you have now, possible. He has every right to be living life on his own terms. Not your terms.
Let’s be good to one another. Humanity before Scientology. It doesn’t work over out ruds and you know it.
When it is being enforced on anyone for any reason, any part of it, ruds are going to go out along with the workability. The truth of the matter is, the only way to keep Scientology working is to be in ARC with others.
It doesn’t work in the enforce band, it doesn’t work when a person’s ruds are out. Humanity has to be in before the Scientology has any chance at all.
There is a long history of inhumanity upon one another behind us. The situation in the Church is deplorable.
Mike is not wrong to point it out. He has a larger investment in this than you do. He has every right.
lv T.O. XXOO
Well stated!
Beyond that gentle reminder Helmut, it is good to know that you can do as you please in Scientology with your mission right now, because of those that are taking the heat. Mike makes it possible for you, to live your life, on your own terms.
Thank you for reminding us of that Oracle. And thank you to Mike, Marty and others for taking the heat so that we can do what we want without intervention. Thank you!
Excellent comment Oracle. The enforced reality, enforced doingness, enforced everything in the rcs is directly antipathetic to the goals of OT. Operating as truly yourself, from your own viewpoint and selecting your own decisions with integrity should be the goal, not this lockstep bullshit. The rcs is completely and fundamentally off purpose.
I just can´t thank Scientology enough, and specifically David Miscavige, for all they do for mankind.
THANK YOU COB!!!
THANK YOU RTC!!!
THANK YOU Ron!!!
THANK YOU that I´m still here on planet earth because of your tireless effort and monumental contribution to world peace, wthout which NONE of us would be here today.
THANK YOU again!!!
Birgit, your sincerity brings tears to my eyes. THANK YOU!
Oh, I completely forgot.
The morale of the story? Pay up, you owe us your life!
Of course the prevention of WWIII had nothing to do with the Munich Org.
It was orchestrated by the Russian-Afghan branch of the Council on Foreign Relations/Trilateral Commission/Skull and Bones/Bilderbergers/Club of Rome/Committee of 300/Knights of the Round Table/Aquarian Illuminati Zionist Vatican, with major funding from Meyer Rotchchild, John D Rockefeller, Pee Wee Herman, and PBS, under direct orders from the gray Reptilian shape-shifters of Alpha Draconis.
Everybody knows that.
Don’t forget the Freemasons and the Vatican.
POT,
WH included the Vatican but yes I’ll admit missed the Freemasons, the Knights Templer and Schrödinger’s cat 😉
What was that poster again? Oh, yes.
“I want to believe”
I remember being told it wasn’t a coincidence that the Berlin Wall fell after OT VIII was released… by IAS reg and OT VII Jeff Pomerantz, so it’s gotta be true. After all he was hand-picked by LRH to play Jonnie Goodboy Tyler.
Jeff’s a real piece of work. I always cringed when I heard his voice on videos announcing the next HUGE event.
Jeff also neglected to mention the part played by “gravity”.
If these CO$ donation and fundraiser rackets had never come into existence, and AO services up to OT VII had been available in local cities with 50,000 or more completed on the level by now, perhaps the world picture would have been shifted. As it has been for several decades, the church is in a state of collapse.
LRH had always called for more and improved delivery to such world event resolutions, but the prime focus of the church since at least 1984 has been on getting as much money out of their parishioners as possible.
Right. IF Scientology / ists had stayed on course and stuck to their knitting, there might be quiet, unobtrusive organizations well-staffed and even well-paid delivering high quality auditing, and no big deal.
If only…
and some nice knitted sweaters breaking up the monotony of the SO uniforms…
Greta
You just do not see delusion of this magnitude every day.
Not since Tom Cruise, who famously remarked that ONLY Scientologists can help accident victims. I never realized that hallucinatory cause was a state to be desired.
DELUSION + CERTAINLY = SCIENTOLOGY
Mike — perfect equation. Though I think it is broader:
DELUSION + CERTAINTY = FUNDAMENTALISM (AND CORPORATE SCIENTOLOGISTS ARE CERTAINLY FUNDAMENTALISTS)
Maybe that’s why they preach THE BASICS.
Mike L and Mike R,
Talk about delusion; right after 9/11, at a “Call To Arms” briefing that I foolishly attended, a prominent Sea Org middle management exec told me that the Sea Org was “taking full responsibility” for this tragedy because it was THEIR job to get Ethics in on the planet so that tech could go in, and they had fallen down on the job, so that insufficient tech was in on the planet, which made the SO’s inadequate stats the Why for 9/11. I’m paraphrasing mostly, but that’s the gist of what he said and he plainly believed it. I murmured something to the effect that the hi-jackers had SOME responsibility for what had occurred but he was having none of that and getting very ridgy as well, so I quickly backed down and agreed with him that it was all the Sea Org’s fault and eventually, by some miracle managed to extricate myself from the comm cycle.
I didn’t think of it then, but today I see that this is the way one would comm with and handle an insane person
Say NO to briefings.
Well, FLO was put into lower conditions afterward, and there were briefings to that effect by Ron Norton. It was pretty terrible laying that onto the upper middle management people, but it was made “our overt” for not managing well enough.
Perhaps Mike remembers this; all of OSA Int staff were taken off of enhancement after 9/11 happened. That lasted several months – even the tech staff trying to finish their GAT1 lineup.
All I can say about that is “wrong target.” And what do SP’s do? They wrong target. They kick the cat of the car has a flat tire. Or worse.
Yes, I heard similar ramble at that time during a fundraiser. And they get planetary Ethics in by cleaning out your pocketbook, and that’s about the limit of their effectiveness since moving up the bridge has been boobytrapped from all sides by ridiculous arbitraries and circular bridge requirements.
More to the point, the “blind are now leading the blind” … LRH approved checksheets cancelled by GAT, everybody swallowing this sh*t hook, line and sinker.
The unending hypocrisy in Scientology is stark with regards to human welfare. The cherch does NOTHING for anyone anywhere in need. No food pantry, no winter clothing drive, no building assistance, no local jobs, no medical clinic, nada. And yet the propaganda machine claims responsibility for huge gains around the whole world. Mi$cientology does nothing but ill towards mankind while professing their own self-worth. A narcissistic organization run by a sociopath.
I am equally outraged.
Happy Birthday, Ron. You did some good but not enough to prevent it from becoming a “narcissistic organization run by a sociopath.”
Target Two is eliminating Micsavage.
You can always make me laugh, MJ. THANKS.
😀
My ‘bullshitometer’ is already in the red zone!
I do not check in here daily, so I may have skipped information on this: scientologycelebritycenter@wordpress has been deleted as of this morning. Has anyone here been visiting the site and what is your best read on it.
Personally I thought the contents very well informed on specifics within CC and its personnel, but as a never in how good is my judment on this?
At any rate, it made a real impression.
I just checked and it’s gone. I might be back.
I’ve read it but it was never one of my favorites. It did reveal some of the inner workings of that place and of modern scientology.
They went offline last year for a few months as well. But they have been threatening to delete the blog all year. Seems they finally did. I thought their insights were sound as to the craziness of CC Int. I worked there for 5 years and even though I haven’t set foot there since 2000 their description of the place seems that NOTHING changes at all. Just maybe slightly worse. Too bad, some of their stuff was funny. Maybe they got sent to the RPF?
Word Press has been undergoing a huge “attack” for about a week. It *may* have had something to do with that. Our site also uses WP and we were getting a ton of emails trying to get into our site via WP.
Wait… is that the blog that just the other day leaked that story about Blake Silber admitting there are no more than 14,000 Scienos “on lines” worldwide? Obviously, it was The Man Who Knew Too Much.
World War III? Hmmm…
Carter’s National Security Advisor, Brzezinski, pretty much admitted that the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was allowed to happen. In fact, they lured the Soviets into the conflict, hoping they would take the bait and embroil themselves in their own “Vietnam”. Brzezinski knew the history of Afghan conflicts, that no one had been successful in armed conflict with the Afghans. It was the perfect vehicle to enturbulate and weaken the Soviet Union; and many attribute this engagement to the beginning of the end of the Soviet empire.
But, I’m sure that is all hogwash.
It is much more plausible that some PC in session blew up a Bodies in Pawn installation on Mars, which freed up some theta which prompted Jimmy Carter to order the troops to stand down.
Phew! Dodged a bullet on that one.
” When the Russian army marched into Afghanistan in 1979 the West and the US went up to the 2nd last level of alert and got ready for World War III.”
Well, the opening line was totally false. The US JCS & Sec.Council didn’t think that WW3 was about to start. Seems that the only people left in management happen to be pathological liars…
He’ll probably be comm ev’d for taking his attention off of massive donations for massive buildings.
Geeze, what a CICS. Doesn’t he know that case gain comes from making massive donations that you’ll never have to refund? Some people just never learn.
Tha so called Telex is the invention of someone desperate for income. LRH NEVER signed his telexes “Love Ron”. More than likely it was a response to an SO 1 Line letter written by someone in the Munich org who wrote a letter to “Ron”. At that time every org in the world had an LRH Comm who was in charge of answering local letters to Ron. Maybe way back in the past LRH did answer letters sent to him, but in 1979 he sure as hell wasn’t bothering with that. “Ron’s SO 1 Line letters, written by the LRH Comms were always just “good will and fair weather”, and advice to keep moving up the bridge or get delivery going and train lots of auditors full tilt. Nothing more. I was a Flag evaluator that year, working alongside Sam licciardi who was in charge of Europe including Munich and yes, Munich Org was doing pretty well at that time but there were never such “orders” from LRH, because LRH would NEVER have bypassed Flag Management by issuing direct orders into an org. This guy is just stupid trying to pawn an SO 1 letter from “Ron” as LRH orders. And even if the SO 1 letter was sent to Flag, it would have been answered by the LRH Office and not by LRH himself. Believe me. I was there. This guy’s claim is a fake.
World War III was averted by the superpowers realizing that if the triggered a nuclear war there would be nothing left to govern or control, just a wasteland. It had nothing to do with L Ron Hubbard or Scientology or the SO. It was just common sense. This guy needs to be set straight or put in a straight jacket where he belongs.
If you want to know more about the SO 1 line, ask Mike. he knows as much as I do or perhaps even more.
Alex: you may be right about many things in your comments but saying that LRH NEVER signed his telexes “Love Ron” isn’t really the case; look at my post here: http://possiblyhelpfuladvice.com/?p=10851
POT/Alex — You are both right and both wrong. LRH signed his telexes “L=R” or sometimes “ML=R”. Not “LOVE = RON”. Though printed in the LRHED it says that. And that is what “L=R” means. The reason TELEXES were signed that way was “telex economy” of which there is a lot written in CBO’s and FO’s (I was External Comm Aide for a while, Highly Commended by LRH for straightening out the international telex communication lines) about telexe economy as telexes used to be charged by the keystroke. So no telex ever went out that came from LRH even using his 3 letter name, they exclusively used “R”.
If any such telex was written in December 1979 it depends on what line it came in on. But the best it would have been is from someone in the CMO/WDC. We were handling all traffic to LRH at that time. At worst it was simply an “SO #1” written by Rae Chase or Alethiea or Laurie. But if it really was a telex (and there is real doubt about this simply from the description of the signature) it was written by a messenger. It sounds like it to me — the language is too forced and repetetive to be an LRH telex. Her really took the telex economy seriously. His telexes did not repeat anything.
Abusing the goodness in people and entertaining delusion.
Not to diminish the power of postulates and repecussions of acts of kindness , but of course when based on a lie it doesn’t work.
Very important point Lovealways. I refuse to become a bitter pants because of assholes. I recently heard a story about a guy in an F5 tornado, who was in a store and the roof was caving in. He saw a newborn in a baby seat and literally dove on top of it, as the roof debris piled on top. He survived and the baby didn’t have a scratch. There are plenty of very cool, decent people out there. I’m sticking with them.
“Refuse any insane orders!”
That’s rich, coming from a Scientologist.
Hey Dave, Why is it that, after all of these years, you still rely on Rinder and Rathbun for Daily Reports on what is really happening in your screwed up Corporate Scientology? Isn’t it about time to send Kotric back to the galley at Gold to feed the crew some real food and for you to go back to your In-N-Out Burger diet, now that foie gras is illegal in California?
800 jets , 80 percent with nuclear payloads?
Refueling on the ground ? Engines running ? Nukes all around?
This is a fake story.A little fact checking and it falls apart.
Was this an issue of MAD Magazine?
There are watchdog groups that monitor Nukes, go online and check for yourself.
800 jets on one airfileld ready to go…..80 maybe, more RC$ exagerated B.S,. maybe Sherman wrote it to go along with the other exagerated BS he’ll spout on Friday night… if not a completely made up as “source presentation”.
Jeez, and I thought all along that I was the one that stopped WW III back at the time of the Russian invasion of Afghanistan, because I completed the Ministers Course and also the Purif at that time.
I would like to indicate: It WAS you. I have a letter from Ron to prove it. To quote “Well done on your wins. Carry on. Love Ron”
Oooooooo I can’t tell you what this does for me – the immediate uncontrolled lock scanning ;o) of the times I saved the planet.
“Love, Ron” Rubber stamped, of course. Great comment, Mike.
Engage in delivery of services and deliver them with excellent tech-What a great message! Is there any reason why this advice is not applicable right up to this moment?
What I didn’t see in LRH’s telex was any advice to stop delivering training and auditing and focus of fundraising so a new building could be acquired and then turned into a beautiful, physical structure.
You have to learn to read between the lines, and corny cob is the only true expert on this.
The reason this advice is not applicable up to this very moment is because Miscavige’s failed and unproductive programs have drained its parishioners of the money they need to get trained and audited.
But we already saw that…
The guy says one sign read, “Refuse any insane orders!” By implication, he would seem to support that notion. (Really, ROFL time.) He’s right about auditing and delivery. And wouldn’t it be nice if such were actually possible in the Co$ today? Auditing, with F/N’s called, and not punishing “security checking” to determine of one’s allegiances and pledges and donations are sufficient to make one “eligible” for auditing one has prepaid and been promised?
I’m sure someone can improve on this next, but it’s interesting enough, I think, to include here. Communists blame “the rich” for all the woes of “the poor.” Yet when offered a job by “the rich”, “the poor” are eager and grateful for the organization of productive activity, and for their paycheck. Then some whack job comes along and tells “the poor” to stop working, to resist their “exploitation” and to seize the property of “the rich”. Such is insanity, the positively bizarre practical service facsimile computation that by destroying another’s havingness, one will increase one’s own, that through destruction, there will be plenty. R6EW addresses these and other insanities, as does the Clearing Course. The guy is right about auditing, delusional about the motivational “sales pitch” about preventing WW III, and a bit on the confused side of things about how to make auditing available for those who are motivated to pay for it.
Well said Carcha. It’s just way too little, way too late. With all the deceit, fraud, oppression and malice aforethought that’s gone on for so long, in the rcs, it’s just plain not credible.
First time I have heard that WWIII was on the verge of happening
because Russia went into Afghanistan. As I recall Russia got their
asses kicked and left.
If Walter had been delivering auditing and training in the first place,
possibly this WWIII situation would never had happened and planet
earth could have a breathed normally. Wait did this WWIII situation
really happen? I guess only Walter knows.
ACT NOW to do something that they should have been doing in the
first place???
Now we need to reg $ for TWTH to prevent another doomsday scenario?
All that doomsday talk never impinged on me……I was too busy auditing.
I told an old friend who audited Power at ASHO in the 70’s about
the three swing fn……laughing he said….hell I never had time to wait for it to swing three times.
Unlike Walter waiting for this doomsday stuff to start delivering, there were many of us
who were doing what Ron said to do in the first place.
800 planes? On one airfield? Loaded with 800 atomic bombs? And 1000 demonstrators? And it didn’t make the news anywhere??? What fairytale land does this guy live in? ROFL
I agree. Makes no sense as a plausible scenario. 800 planes sitting there running for long enough to get continually refueled? I’m not sure it would be very safe or feasible.
And atomic bombs? Hubbard had major M/Us on many things atomic and nuclear. Atomic bombs use fission reactions. The bombs at the described point in time would have been nuclear bombs — using fusion reactions as well as an initial fission trigger.
The whole scenario reminds me of Nena’s 99 Luftballons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lur-SGl3uw8
Right gman, such dropped out time too. 1979? Why not throw in the holocaust or the black plague to get a little more restimulation going? It’s a fear tactic to drive people out of present time, which makes them more vulnerable to manipulation. Money of course, is the driving force. One time, around 1983, I went to work at San Francisco Org and someone had painted a giant sign covering a huge front window, “prevent WW111!!!!!!!”. Not only that, but it was hand painted by someone with no talent whosoever. I was offended on many levels and knew we were in trouble then. I’ve always found that tendency to destroy joy & hopefulness about the future, to be particularly suppressive. I was never in agreement with this viewpoint, that to get someone to want services, they have to be caved in utterly, about the future of mankind. Real spiritual gains should be done to increase quality of life, from ones own point of view, not just to prevent becoming a cinder. What a terrible present time problem to implant in people. Evil.
“End of the world” scenarios have been trotted out on an as-needed basis by the IAS for decades. They never happen, so it’s Scientology’s doing that they never happened. But at the same time, tragedies and disasters really happen, like Sandy Hook, or Haiti, or Katrina, or 9/11, and Scientology didn’t head them off, but mustered “thousands of volunteers to help in the aftermath of….”
It’s Miscavige’s IAS “disaster tech” in action.
• Never pass up the opportunity to leverage a disaster for profit. •
DM is just following the proven way to make money when the chips are down with “Disaster
Capitalism”.
Greta
It just never ends.
Is it just me, or is the stupidity quotient continuing to ratchet up and up?
Very discouraging. This shit needs to end, and it will.
But the end is going to shatter some people. Just shatter them.
As the remaining thinkers leave, who’s left? The quotient will continue to skew in everybody’s favour.
Well, as I can attest, JUST ME, “Life is tough. It’s even tougher if you’re stupid.”
I used to believe that delivering the tech on Solo Nots would “handle the planet”. With all the talk about getting the 10,000 together and we would tip the theta/entheta scale to our favor. I do think that auditing and training can help people but I don’t think that these mass wins like knocking down the Berlin Wall or breaking up the USSR were created by Scientology auditing.
I am so glad to be out of the trap where you are made to believe that if you do as management wants you will be acting to save the planet. This must be high on the list as one of the biggest cons in history.
You know the situation over there could have been created by miscaviches squirrel tech and thats why a war is now raging.
So they’re not planning to open an ideal org any time soon. It sounds like deflection to me. “We don’t have an ideal org, but we saved the planet, so don’t bother us.” Here is the degraded org:
http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p741/RodKeller/munich_zpse3478f34.jpg
Rod, good point, it is deflection, “we don’t have an Ideal Org but we saved the planet so leave us alone.” And what a Non Sequitor to say that Ron said the handling was to deliver auditing as never before, and then he adds the non sequitor to “donate to WTH.” Ron never ever said to throw around WTH booklets in hot spots. That is something that came after him. And I always thought what a joke it was to have that book instead of real help in an area like the Red Cross provides. My wog mom and sister read WTH and sniffed, “there’s nothing special in here…. it’s common sense that we were already doing all along.”
Thank Mike. Walter’s analysis of the situation is about as insightful as learning about the true teachings of Christ by attending a Ku Klux Klan rally.
Succinct.
Not to go too far off thread here, but I just saw on the Class VIII Registry that Mario Fenninger died. Is this true? When did he die? Anyone have data on this?
No data on dead or alive, but Mario turned 91 last year. He can move on whenever he likes. No shame there.