LOIS REISDORF – PART 7 – FINAL
IF YOU HAVE NOT YET READ MY EARLIER PARTS, PLEASE READ THEM FIRST. I have written my stories to people who are Scientologists and ex-Scientologists, so if you are new to Mike Rinder’s Blog and have never been involved in scientology, you may have a hard time understanding my stories.
The earlier parts are here:
The Lois Reisdorf Story: Part 1
Lois Reisdorf – Part 2 LRH on the Apollo
Lois Reisdorf – Part 3 LRH Moves to the US
Lois Reisdorf Part 6 – Rise of David Miscavige
In about August 1981 Dede Reisdorf Voegeding had been removed from her position as CO CMO INT and was doing manual labor. This is described in Part 6. Her sister Gale Reisdorf Irwin who had been the deputy CO CMO INT (mainly dealing with “internal” CMO matters), was now made CO, which also included holding the position of Chairman of WDC. Gale did not receive a “hat turnover” for this new position, and was now responsible for all of International Management of Scn. From August to December of 1982 – the atmosphere at Int (Gold in Hemet, CA) was unbelievable, Gale was feeling very overwhelmed by all her responsibilities. This is the period of time I thought I was living in some alternate universe. The stress level was palpable amongst all of us. I lost a lot of weight as I could not eat; I was just a nervous wreck. David Miscavige (DM) was acting out of control and no-one really knew what was going on.
Gale was finding it incredibly hard to deal with her two posts while also attending secret meetings with Pat Broeker that would go for hours at any hour of the day or night. Usually Gale and DM would drive to a payphone to make the connection and then wait for Pat. They would meet at a fancy restaurant near LAX airport. Pat and DM mainly chatted about nothing important. Gale therefore decided that it was better for her to just focus on church management and for DM to deal with Pat. DM then started going on his own to meet with Pat. This is when things started going downhill for Gale.
As WDC, we started receiving “orders” which were apparently from LRH wanting to know about the International statistics and what was happening in the church. We had no way to know for sure if these orders were coming from LRH or from Pat as there were no signatures, but we assumed they were coming from LRH. Each WDC member then started preparing reports for LRH to read about each sector of the church – for instance – one person would do a report on the stats for Europe, or Africa, or Flag Service Org. Taking into account LRH had had no info on what had been happening for more than a year.
To backtrack a bit – earlier in 1980 DM experienced a very bad asthma attack, so serious that he had to go to the hospital. We were all very concerned about him at the time, it was bad. When he came out of the hospital he told Gale and Paul Grady (who was holding the position of Medical Officer for the CMO) that he had this realization that “Power is assumed”. At the time they thought nothing of this, maybe a result of medication… but this would later become very significant to future events.
Gale had effectively turned over her only “comm line” to LRH via Pat. This was the perfect opportunity for DM to fully take over. That is why it is so important for Pat Broeker to come forward and spill the beans on this time and his relationship with DM. If LRH’s ONLY way to get any sort of communication about the church was from these two, who knows what was told to LRH. It would be so easy to tell lies about the people who had been the closest to LRH – Mary Sue and all his messengers — and paint them in the worst light. On top of that, LRH not doing well physically and was in a paranoid state in “hiding.” When one looks back on this, it was the perfect opportunity for a psychopath to take over. LRH no longer trusted those who had been the closest to him, in fact, he came to think we were trying to ruin scientology. Yet all of us had been kids when we joined, we had been born into Scientology and had Scn parents, we were totally dedicated and loyal to LRH. None of us had any “outside influences”, we lived in a bubble.
Due to the fact that DM was now answerable to nobody, and began ordering people around and acting as though he was running things, Gale asked David Mayo (Snr CS International) to sec-check DM. DM refused and in fact tackled Gale and pushed her into filing cabinets. She knew immediately that her conclusions about what was going on were correct. She immediately tried to set-up a meeting with Pat Broeker, but this involved going to a certain pay phone booth in Riverside. She got in a car and went. But as she got to the phone booth, DM and his “gang” arrived and took a tire iron and destroyed the pay phone. They got Gale into the windowless van. There were 6 people, loyal to DM, and they accused her of mutiny and repeatedly berated her all the way back to Int.
When they arrived back they stripped her of her job, accused her of mutiny and she was put on manual labor, while awaiting a committee of evidence (like a trial).
Why would DM be so paranoid about what Gale might say to Pat? And why would he be so violently opposed to having a sec check if he was not hiding something? When I look back on this period, now, it becomes quite clear that he feared that his lies to LRH via Pat would be disclosed. He had helped make LRH even more paranoid. If one analyzes this it become quite clear that he had been led to believe that MSH and the messengers not with Miscavige were betraying him! Communication from LRH after this time period became increasingly paranoid with a lot of discussion about “outside influences”. As though those closest to LRH were being influenced by outside forces??!!
Gale and I were separately comm-eved and found guilty of all charges even though she pled not guilty to all charges. When the committee told her that she was guilty she stormed out of the office yelling that they can all go f… themselves. Her and her husband Steve Irwin wanted to leave the Sea Org immediately. I was removed from my position as Chief Officer CMO Int and my WDC post. Gale, Dede and I were told we were being sent to Flag in Clearwater to scrub floors as “Public Cleaners.” Gale and Steve wanted to leave but Gary and I talked them out of it.
We now had to pack up our lives and get to Clearwater, but the added thing was that our husbands were being sent with us. Dede and Peter Voegeding, Gale and Steve Irwin and Gary & I had to drive ourselves from Gilman Hot Springs, CA to Clearwater, Florida. As a family we had a little car which Gary’s dad had given to his 3 kids. We also had a JAR TRAN truck with all our belongings, our small car and then lo and behold, we were being sent with a guard as well . This was Wick Allcock who had to follow us and make sure we did not “run”. I wish we had just blown at this point, it would have been so easy, but no, we were being good little SO members…….
We arrived in CW between Xmas and New Year’s Eve in December of 1981. I remember pulling into the parking lot of the West Coast Building where the CMO CW was, and seeing all the faces looking out the windows. The “crims” had arrived to scrub floors.
The 6 of us were sent to the Fort Harrison where we had the lovely job of “clearing out” the FH garage. We got busy working on this and after a couple of weeks; our husbands were put onto actual jobs in the hotel. It was now just the 3 girls working our asses off cleaning out the garage and also working on cleaning out huge freezers. Dede had previously gotten a truck driver’s license, so we had to truck garbage out of the FH garage to the big municipal dump. With Dede driving the truck we would go to the dump and then haul everything out of the truck. It must have been quite a sight for the men at the dump to see 3 young girls hauling garbage out of a truck. On the way back to the FH we would stop and buy an ice-cream. We actually had a pretty fun time and it sure was more palatable than dealing with the tension back at Int.
We lived at the Grey Moss Inn (we called it the Grey Mass Inn) which was across the road from the FH and it was still being run as an old-age home. The church rented the top floor as crew berthing. It was an old, rotten, building filled with old, dying people. Ugghhh it was disgusting and full of cockroaches. This building was eventually bought by the church, torn down and is now where the Super Power building stands.
Within about a month or so of being at Flag, we were ordered to apologize to all the FSO crew for “what we had done to their Org.” At the time we had no idea what we had apparently done to them, but now we stood up in front of all the crew and gave this apology speech. Dede and Gale refused to talk, so I did the talking. I am sure some old-timers from that time period will remember this. Because I had spent quite a bit of time in CW on mission, a lot of the crew and even some public knew me, but did not know Gale & Dede (other than if they had known them on the Apollo). It was one of the most humiliating experiences in all my years in the SO.
Later the 3 of us were assigned as maids at the hotel, waitresses in the restaurant, dishwashers etc.
In the spring of 1982 Gale & Dede were ordered on a plane to LA, to report to the PAC base. At the time we thought that maybe this was a good thing and that LRH realized that he made a mistake with us. But no, it was only to get worse for them. But one clue is that they had a guard with them, Karl Whitcher. They were immediately housed in a large shower/bathroom under 24 hour guard (in the big blue building) and they went through gang bang sec-checking — being yelled at continuously and questioned whether or not they were working for the CIA/FBI or whoever! They were guarded by new recruits who always ended up liking Dede & Gale, because they are actually very nice people. The “guards” had to be changed constantly as they would become too “friendly” towards them. At the time they both smoked and would take a couple of drags and then put out the cigarette to save it as they had no money to buy any. This was the start of what was to become something “normal” in the SO, BUT for them, they had never experienced anything so disgusting in the 10-11 years they had spent in the SO, none of us had.
Gale & Dede were told they were beneath the RPF and weren’t allowed study time and were not paid anything. They worked from early morning till 11 at night doing physical labor.
Gale, immediately upon arrival in LA saw what was happening and called her husband Steve and told him she wanted to route out. He agreed and started the routing form at CW and she “started” it in LA. For her it took three months of nothing happening. She tried to prevent being declared by leaving “correctly.” Then after many group sec checks and repeated visits from DM and his henchmen asking if they had thought of any more O/Ws or crimes, they were awoken in the middle of the night and handed their declare orders. Steve had successfully routed out of CW and happened to be in LA when the Declares were issued so they packed whatever belongings they had and drove to his parents’ house in San Diego.
One has to understand that at the time, being declared an SP was the absolute worst thing that could happen. I had never known ONE person who was declared an SP. They were the first in the “new era”.
Dede’s husband Peter was still at the Fort Harrison and had not left, so she moved to Clearwater to wait for him to finish “routing out.” But he never left and they ended up getting divorced. While she was living in Clearwater, near the Fort Harrison, Peter, Gary and I would occasionally make clandestine visits to her.
The SP Declare orders on Gale and Dede were issued to all of Scientology . When I read them, I actually threw up as I was so disgusted. There was mention of Dede working for the CIA even. It was just horrific and included her case data. I had never experienced or seen such horrific ethics actions taken and on top of that such lies. Dede joined the SO at 13 and her parents had been in Scientology before she was born. It was just ridiculous what the declare order said.
However, I do realize that people experienced way worse than this in the decades to come, so when you look at it from that viewpoint, what we went through was nothing compared to others. But the point is, we were the first.
After Gale & Dede left for LA, I continued to work as a maid and as a waitress in the Hourglass restaurant. Gary had his post in Div 3 of the Public Estates Org and he was the Maître D of the Hourglass during meals. We were fortunate enough and well-liked by the chef, that instead of eating rice and beans like the rest of the crew, we ate the restaurant food… Hahaha….
I was a good maid and waitress, my stats were really up and Laurie Englehart was the CO of the estate org. She really thought I was a gem in her org. I was promoted to Maids in Charge and the stats kept on going up. I wrote in a letter that I was in power.
I turned 22 in April of 1982 and luckily for me, my Mom was at Flag receiving auditing and I was able to spend my 22nd birthday with her.
One night in the summer of 1982 Gary and I were told to report to the CO CMO CW in a different building. While we were walking over there I was pretty sure that because I was being “good”, had high stats, was on the Key to Life course and just generally doing well, that I was going to be called back to Int. To my surprise when I went into the CO’s office there was a pregnant Laurie Englehart crying (she was the CO of the hotel), my heart sunk. The CO CMO told me that I had been declared an SP but instead of being kicked out immediately, I would be able to go onto the RPF and work through my A-E steps and could stay in the SO but the caveat was that I could NEVER be an executive ever again, I was basically always going to be scrubbing floors, or I could leave. The declare order said something on the order of me being a Nazi – in the sense that I carried out orders even though I knew they were wrong… WTF!!! It was such bullshit.
I chose to leave; this was the moment I realized I had been betrayed. I had dedicated my life to LRH and Scn from the time I was 13 years old and this was how it was going to end. With nothing! BUT, my WHOLE family was involved in Scn. I had two sisters at Int; my parents were now running the Joburg North Org in South Africa; my younger siblings were still kids but they were in Scientology and my husband was not in trouble and was being very successful on his post at Flag. But there was NO way I was going to continue this charade. I was done. I got through my leaving security check and the routing form and actually completed my steps A and B while on the RPF to leave. This only took about a week.
Gary organized for me to go to his parents in Texas while I waited for him. I called my mother from a pay phone to South Africa and told her with lots of tears flowing, what had happened. She must have been shocked to her core. But, she told me to come home to SA; they would arrange a ticket for me. But I decided to go to Texas to wait for Gary. It took a couple of months for Gary to get free and he then joined me in Texas. We got small jobs and lived with his parents.
My Mom was still trying to get me to come to SA, so in February of 1983 Gary and I left the US and went to South Africa. We were now both declared and my family were all in and running the biggest Org in South Africa. We lived with them for a few months while we got ourselves jobs and started working on our A-E steps. I have kept a folder all this time of all the letters that I wrote to the Int Justice Chief asking for a comm-ev, but it was never approved. I was told I had to do the A-E steps first. I kept copies of all my A-E steps, and even have a policy letter in the file. I have not looked at this folder in more than 30 years so luckily I have it and it has helped me remember all that went on.
I received approval from IJC to go into the Org to do Step D which is to start doing Scientology courses. My bill had also been paid (Step C) – so I was almost done with my A-E steps and still living with my parents. I was doing everything with the approval of IJC. I have his approval letters. I then got all my A-E steps done and submitted the whole package to the Int Justice Chief and then this telex came down the lines from Marc Yager who was now the CO CMO Int. But during this time-period and prior, disconnection had been cancelled (in 1968) so it was “understood” by most Scientologists at the time if someone was declared and you were still connected to them, the worst thing that happened is that you could not get any further training or auditing until the SP person was handled and done with their A-E. But remember, SP Declares was something that was NOT standard operating procedure.
AFTER the above telex from Marc Yager, the A-E the policy was changed to include a major amends projects. HCO PL 23 December 1965RA Revised and Reissued 10 September 1983 ETHICS – SUPPRESSIVE ACTS – SUPPRESSION OF SCIENTOLOGY AND SCIENTOLOGISTS. In this PL, Steps B (1) and B (2) were added which explains debts to be paid back and submits an amends project to IJC.
After this telex, I told my Mom and Dad that Gary and I were going to leave and not talk to them until we got our A-E approved. I could NOT allow my mother to disconnect, so we did it. We left their house and found a furnished apartment/hotel type place in Hillbrow, South Africa and stayed there for a month or two while we did our “extra” amends.
We got everything submitted to the IJC and waited. But during this time I got pregnant with my first son and my Mom couldn’t stand not seeing me, so we got back in comm while waiting for the approval. By this time we had ourselves a more permanent place to live.
The whole time this was going on, from the moment I had the original comm-ev back at Int, I knew that what I was being accused of was false. So even while in the middle of doing my A-E I wrote a letter to IJC asking for a Board of Review on my Declare, here is what I wrote:
“I then sent a CSW to RTC for a Board of Review on my declare as I did not feel it was right. It was very vague and full of generalities; it was stale-dated justice as it was done 6 months after I was busted and I understand one of the main reasons I was even busted was because I supposedly was responsible for the whole bust of CO FSO, and all the Div 6 Regges in 1980. This is not true as I was on leave (vacation) at the time and when I left on vacation an observation mission had been sent to the FSO, then Julie Caetano did an evaluation and Annie Taskett went on the handling mission to remove all the execs. I came back when the handling missions were already in progress and was in protest of the whole thing and was sent to ethics and cramming for having the wrong viewpoint.” The answer from IJC was that it was off-policy for me to have a Board of Review and to get through my A-E steps.
It was obvious to me that “they” had to come up with some excuse to get rid of me from Int and all they could come up with was a false accusation of something I did not even do.
It took until 1986 for my A-E to finally be accepted, after doing a MAJOR amends project.
But we had already started our new (back in 83) lives not knowing how to even write a check, but with the help from my family we got ourselves into normal life. I must say that it took me at least 3-4 years before I was able to feel comfortable in the normal world. It took me a long time to get to the point whereby I did not use Scn terms and to accept being in the world. It was hard. I had lived in the ultimate bubble for most of my life.
But we did acclimatize and became successful and had MANY non-Scn friends, who are to this day still very close friends. I never spoke of being involved in Scn and none of these friends who I have known for close on 30 years, knew I had been involved in Scn until this year! Gary started a computer business which was successful and I ran a swimming school from our home which was also successful, I also did the accounting for the business.
We had a great life in SA. I had my family who I had not been with for close on 10 years, I was watching my younger siblings grow into adults; we had great friends; we spent time in game reserves and had great adventures. I had my 3 sons and they had a great life and I kept them away from Scn. This was never a problem for my family, they did their thing and we did ours. Once Gary & I were talked into going to an event which was the release of the Tech Films – we ended up walking out in the middle of it as we were so embarrassed at the quality.
Obviously every now and again my Mom or one of my sisters would tell me some news about what was happening in Scn, but most of the time I did not care or even want to hear about it. They kept things from me and I was happy about that. We just really did not talk about it.
In 1996 my Mom came to me and was very worried about my Dad. This was the one time she talked to me about something to do with Scn with something her and my Dad was concerned about. She told me about the new Golden Age of Tech and that all auditors had to retrain and my Dad was the top Class VIII (trained by LRH directly) and now he had to redo everything! I thought it was ridiculous and my Dad never did redo everything until the day he died in 2007. Even though they were now running a little mission, he was still the highest trained C/S in Africa and his expertise was needed by the Orgs. From what I have heard since, my parents were under a lot of scrutiny by the SO but there is no way they could ever get rid of them due to their tech training and being such opinion leaders in AF.
In 1997 my beautiful mother got sick; having epileptic-like fits and within a week was diagnosed with Stage 5 brain cancer. It was the biggest shock of my life and within a week she was dead. She was 58 years old and through thick and thin, she had never abandoned me. But it was also the final nail in the coffin for me as far as Scn was concerned. How could this happen to someone who was so good, who had dedicated her life to Scn and worked relentlessly? I was devastated. The higher church in the US put out an issue regarding my mother saying that she had made the decision to drop her body – god that made me so pissed as I knew she did not want to die. After the memorial, I talked to my Dad and told him that I thought this was such BS- how could they say that? He agreed with me.
Dad suffered from COPD/Emphysema for many years and eventually gave up his fight in 2007 when he died.
Both of my parents were at OT V level.
In 1998, Gary and I decided to leave South Africa as we felt for the future of the kids; they would have a better life in the US. Crime in SA was increasing and because Gary was American it was easy for us to leave and start over. The boys had “Born Abroad American Birth Certs” so it was no problem.
We arrived in San Diego in the summer of 1998 with our 3 sons (ages 14, 10 and 8) and 3 big suitcases and a few boxes. No jobs. We lived with Gale & Steve for about a month, travelled with the boys around the US visiting various family members and got ourselves into a rental home.
Our life in San Diego has been great. I am a Realtor and Gary is a Mortgage Broker, we have given our 3 sons a good, happy life here. We were fortunate to have Gale and Dede living here and so have always had family. Even though they were still declared SP and we were not, it never stopped us from being a family. We never again set foot into an Org. Scn was out of our lives completely. Again, we made lots of friends and none of them knew of our past. We made trips back to SA to visit family and a few came here to visit with us. We continued being in great comm with my family in SA. My Dad Neville even visited us here in 2000 and spent a Thanksgiving at Gale’s house with Dede in attendance – he did not give a shit whether someone was declared an SP or not.
My kids grew up hearing all the stories of us being kicked out; about DM; about LRH but this was not something that was a big deal in our house. Some things we told them were good stories and some stories were about the bad stuff.
The boys had normal lives, played soccer, competed in surfing competitions, and had normal friends, normal schools and generally a very good life in San Diego. They had also experienced the wonders of Africa as we frequently went back.
In about 2005 my oldest son Brett who by now 21 years old, had a girlfriend, Jessie Boyd, and we were very happy for him as she was an exceptional girl. They really seemed like a match made in heaven. They had met at a party. After about 6 months of them being together, Brett came home and said he had something very important to tell me – Jessie had told him that her parents were Scientologists! I just about fell to the floor, I could not believe it, how could this happen? We knew not a single Scientologist in San Diego. Thankfully, Ron & Lisa Boyd were not active Scn’ers and even though they had friends who were still in, they also had some friends who were declared. Both of us were basically in the same situation. Inactive.
The biggest problem I had was that I was connected to the “Reisdorf family” who were declared SP’s and then the “Jory family in SA” who were very much in Scientology, running a mission and one sister who was still at Gold. We really did walk a fine line for more than 30 years, a balancing act. With my sisters it was tough but we made it work. I had 2 families who I loved dearly, but on the opposite sides of the spectrum, with us in the middle.
Brett & Jessie got married in November of 2009. My family could not make it to the wedding as it was too expensive for all of them to come over, so I decided to have a 2nd wedding in SA, at my expense, so they could be involved. We then organized for the 2nd wedding to be held in December and we all went to SA including Jessie’s parents. It was a fantastic wedding. It was wonderful to celebrate with my whole family. We also had a tremendous Xmas Lunch, which is this photo below:
This was the start of the end for us. This was the last time I saw all my siblings, their spouses and all my numerous nieces and nephews. In fact, I went back in 2015 and none of them would see me, even though I had not been declared yet.
My youngest son, Craig, had paid for an airline ticket to go to Australia/NZ on a surfing trip, after the wedding in SA. So when we left to go home in Jan of 2010, Craig stayed behind in SA but was going to leave on his big trip in a couple of weeks directly from there. We were happy for him. He had worked hard to save the money for this dream trip. He is an exceptional surfer. He was 19 years old. After 2 weeks, we get a phone call from him stating that he had decided to cancel his surfing trip and rather stay in SA for the 6 months and be with the family in SA. Gary and I were not really happy about it, but he was old enough to make that decision.
Well, as fate would have it, Craig got involved in Scientology through my family in SA. In fact, at the end of the 6 months, we got a long email from him explaining that he had signed a contract with the mission to work for them and to live in SA. Gary & I hit the roof and ordered him home. First off, we did not move from SA just for the fun of it, there was a good reason for it. We did not want him living there and we living here. And thirdly he had college to finish and to get his life going. We knew what it meant that he had signed the contract. We managed to get him back to the US and the contract cancelled.
I regret now that I did not emphatically lay out what I really thought of DM and the way the church was being run at that time in 2010. But to be honest I had not even gone on the Internet and did not know what had transpired after we left.
However, once Craig got back here to San Diego, our relationship had changed. He had become a Scientologist and got himself to the San Diego Org and was taking courses there while continuing with a restaurant job and doing community college. But we had our son back and that was a big relief to me. He was living at home and we thought we could still manage with him being in Scn.
Meanwhile our 2nd son, Brandon, started having mental issues in late 2010 into 2011 and even though we were not really “Scientologists” at the time, we were still vehemently against psychiatry and would never have thought of going that route with him. He ended up going to SA where my family got him being “handled” by a Scientology Group (I did not want him on Org lines). He ended up receiving a form of the “Introspection Rundown” in SA. By December of 2011 he returned to San Diego in worse shape. Soon after this he had a burst appendix and was in the hospital.
I then got the local Org involved and they helped me get him into somewhat better shape by me doing certain light processes on him. He recovered.
After Brandon got better he himself got involved in the local San Diego Org in early 2012. So now I had 2 sons involved with Scn. At this point I still had not gone online or heard anything about recent things in the Church. But I was worried as we were still all in comm with the Reisdorf family and the Jory family. I just had a big sinking feeling that the thin ice we were walking on was going to break.
In the summer of 2012, Gary and I were ordered to go into the San Diego Org for a “handling”. This was the start of even more BS… we had not once stepped foot into this Org, but we went. One of my sisters was at the Advanced Org in Sydney trying to get onto the OT Levels. She was being sec checked and sure enough it all came out that Gary and I were not on lines, that we were in comm with 2 big Sp’s – Gale & Dede; my oldest son Brett’s in-laws were also NOT on lines and were in comm with declared SP’s. It was an extensive list of “crimes” — all relating to whom we spoke.
One interesting fact that happened with our meeting with the Org’s Ethics Officer – she showed us a policy letter, which is NOT in the OEC volumes and I had never heard of before. In fact, it was written by LRH supposedly but Watchdog Committee as well. This policy was dated 1983 (after we had originally left) – it stated that if you have a declared SP – all connections this SP has, has to be severed. Gary and I were shocked to read this policy and obviously we were not allowed to make a copy of it and we cannot remember the name of it, but it certainly was not in any published OEC vols. Gary asked the EO this question – “So if I was working for a company, and I find out that one of my co-workers actually knows my sister Dede, by coincidence, does that mean I have to leave that company due to him knowing her?” “Oh yes”, says the EO to Gary. We were gob smacked.
It then made sense to us what had happened all those years back – if you have an SP then all of his or her connections have to be gotten rid of as well. I.E – Mary Sue, Dede, Gale, Laurel Watson – and all their connections. BUT the kicker is this – that policy letter is not in any OEC volumes, it is not in the most recent PTS/SP Pack, it has been kept hidden. I even brought this up later to the MAA at AOLA and the members of our Committee of Evidence and ALL of them denied that that policy existed!!
Gary and I were told that we had to disconnect from Dede and Gale and all their connections, including Gale’s kids and all other non-Scientology family members (we are talking about approx. 50 family members).
We now had 2 of our kids involved in Scn and my whole family. But we were very close to the Reisdorf family and to Gale & Steve’s kids who were also close with our kids. This was 2012 and things were now going to get even worse. A real Aftermath.
The “Aftermath” of our story will be aired on A&E’s Leah Remini: Scientology and The Aftermath. Stay tuned.
Wow, truly an amazing read and great site. I have never been involved with Scientology but for the past 3 or so years I have totally been obsessed with the history of it. Reading everything I can, watching everything I can, I guess it is kinda weird for someone who has no involvement whatsoever to research it as much as I do. This has been such a great read. Thank you to Lois and Mike for this. And for the Website itself.
Wow, it’s taken me days to catchup and just finished reading this one and it’s comments. Thank you very much for telling your story. I was put on the PAC RPF in late ’82 and got off when there was an amnesty in ’83. I met so many wonderful Int Management Executives there and they all were such a delight to work with. Real Laplane, Guy White, Mike Titmas, Mike Rubio, Karen Jentz, ED Ints wife Vanilla?
During this time I was living with an abusive husband so being on the RPF was a relief for me plus I was pregnant plus late June ’83 I’d learned my father was dying and told me he had only 3 months to live which was exactly when my child was due. It was a very turbulent time for me in many ways but having some of the fellow staff members there was like being with just friends ~ you guys actually believed me when I said I was being abused. For 2 years (at AOLA) I’d been being treated like I was making it up (Gaslighting).
So yes, although it seems the worst injustices were happening at the top you guys were better equipped to handle it some how. Your confront of evil was more? I know that confront of evil supposedly takes the highest confront but if that’s so how come no one could stand up to the evil in LRH or COB and on an on and instead let it fester around for the rest of the staff and parishioners? It doesn’t seem fair.
I was kicked off staff in June ’96 … it’s taken all these years to even begin to get my memory back from 77-96 and it’s still badly out of order. This all helps bunches. I hope you and your family get all back together soon 🙂
Great work you’re doing.
My “like” button isn’t working so I had to leave a comment. I am so proud of how you (& others, ie., Leah Remini) are standing up to that damn cult! Many who are not involved or haven’t any knowledge of this crazy business might (probably) view supporters like me as “too interested” or see it as a waste of time. However, I have, since the 70’s, been disgusted by cults & what they do to good people. ..FAMILIES …for a long time. Because they hurt people…abuse people. It’s frustrating to see them get away with so much BS. When it’s abuse, of people, families & finances/MONEY (while “the people” work hard just to make it & pay taxes) by other entities…like poor countries &/or any kind of “leaders” etc., it is fought against; Yet this so-called religion has continued to get away with atrocities…ugly wicked atrocities, & for such a long time.
I will continue to keep you (& all who try to put a stop to this) In my prayers.
You guys have already succeeded with GREAT accomplishments! If nothing more (although I believe & pray there’ll be more) was done AT THIS TIME or on this go round…you can walk away knowing you HAVE accomplished much; bcuz even “if” you didn’t save the world from this “cancer”…you have to know it meant the world to one. Like the “Starfish Story”.
Thank you…like soldiers, for your service.
#faith
Wow! I feel for what ya went through Lois! I too went through the exact same injustice … only a couple years ago. The current IJC, like past ones, seem to be uncaring unthinking robots simply carrying out orders. Even if they put out an amnesty, I’d never get close to their suppressive trap again. And yeah, I was born into it too and I worked for it from about the same age as you did. Amazing though to see the same patterns being repeated by the sociopath on top – David Miscavige and his unthinking robots in HCO and OSA. I somewhat pity his underlings, wasting their lives, living under heightened stress 24/7. I’m thankful that I got out.
Lois, thank you very much for your story. In 1984 I met your father on a mission to Africa. He was one of the kindest and most special person I met in Scientology.
Thank you for your story! It reads much like many other people’s accounts of life in Scientology, but everyone has their own individual experience that’s worth sharing.
Extremely interesting story
Lois,
Thank you for sharing your life with us.
My wish is for you to be reunited with your loved ones and then to continue on the fight.
A big thank you as well to A & E for putting this documentary out there.
I live in Ontario Canada and have been researching where the churches and missions are. It would be interesting to find out if they are empty like many others. Are there people that follow the teachings of LRon
I may not know all the words that you use but I have a clearer understanding of how wrong it’s been.
Side bar: I do love how all your minds work and how I thought anyone who is in a cult must be nuts. I was mistaken.
The basic teaching are great!
Thank you
Lowie, I think the policy you may be referring to is HCOB/PL 10 September 1983, PTSness AND DISCONNECTION. This was the policy reinstituted by DM and written by Vaughn Young and never sent to LRH. Obviously, DM knew that he needed this club to keep people in line and he has played that card over and over and over, including with his own family. One day it will be his downfall. I’m certain of it.
“I think the policy you may be referring to is HCOB/PL 10 September 1983, PTSness AND DISCONNECTION.”
Lois, as Dan noted, there is an HCOB of the same date and title as the PL. If you want to take a look at it, here’s a link to the ’80-’84 tech vol: http://www.tep-online.info/laku/usa/reli/scien/SECRETDOX/1980_84.PDF
Dan, I can believe what you said about someone else writing that HCOB/PL, as it doesn’t seem like LRH’s writing. You also say it was “reinstituted by DM…and never sent to LRH.” Do you mean LRH did not intend for it to be “reinstituted” as policy?
LRH ABSOLUTELY intended disconnection to be “reinstated” — perhaps “reinforced” is a good clue. He was railing against the SP Mission Holders and squirrels and stated they should not just be “disconnected” from but “excommunicated”, NEVER to be allowed to be a scientologist again. EVER. And that everyone who supported all these SPs was to be declared and that anyone who refused to disassociate from them was to be declared. There are dozens of despatches about this subject. Way harsher than anything that is published in an HCOB.
Yes Mike, I think you are correct. Maybe what I am referring to could have been 1982 not 1983. But I explained it further in another answer. Disconnect from the SP but ALL those also connected to the SP. Like a domino effect. It was truly astounding to me when I read it. They would not allow it be published broadly today whatsoever, it was too explicit………I believe that ONLY Ethics Officers and MAA’s had it. This particular Ethics Officer had it in a “file” with a bunch of other PL’s that were most probably also not broadly issued.
Lowie — I remember a few advices that said that. Very specifically. You have to take out all their connections. It might have been put into a PL. Very likely.
Further on what Mike is saying and which makes sense to me now is that when Dede and Gale got hooked up with the David Mayo squirrel group – they told me that per David Mayo and John Nelson; Gale and Dede were NEVER allowed to get back on Scientology lines. Back then I just never believed it as I could not understand how LRH could say that………….wow…….is all I can say, just another nail in the coffin for me.
Wow. 3 guesses on who inflamed him to a point of hysteria where he was wrong targeting the highest producing groups in Scn at that time. I wasn’t there in your echelon, Mike, but I was on staff at one of those mission networks (COSMOD) and we had 90 staff (at only one mission) when I routed off staff. The stats at that time were in the $25,000 to $35,000 a week range. No small feat in 1979/80. Tons of delivery happening and the course rooms (Div VI and Academy) were always packed.
David Mayo approved all that “De-dinging” stuff so maybe that’s the squirrel stuff he was upset about, but the stats between COSMOD, Stevens Creek, etc. were highest evers at that time.
When I came back to Portland for the ’85 “Crusade”, they had 12 staff!! I was pissssed off. I asked the Treas Sec (who was there when I was) what happened. She said that the Finance Police (even the name is Hitlerian) came in and didn’t put a head on a pike, but lined up everyone and shot.
This might help to explain why the Portland mission (which later became a CC) and the org had to merge and why it’s crippled now.
The Finance Police took something like 2 Million that the mission had in reserves and ruined that field completely. I heard later that Martin Samuels, at 50 years old, was robbed of every penny he had and, after building up this huge Div VI machine FOR LRH, had to go and live with his parents. He took it to court and was awarded $200,000.00 but he was out of the game. What a waste.
Well, long before Miscavige came on the scene, Hubbard had started going after “external influences” — the Guardian Office and scientology businessmen. It led to the formation of WISE. ANd the first actions to bring the mission network under control and out from MOWW and the control of the GO. Miscavige simply carried out the orders of Hubbard. I know this is not a popular concept with some, but it’s true.
No that is not the one. I have read that one a lot during my “ethics” handling in later years. It was more to the point about not only disconnecting from the SP, but disconnecting from all others who are connected to the SP. A real domino effect…….Because we were connected to Dede and Gale, we then had to disconnect from all other family members or friends who were connected to them as well. We were told to unfriend ALL of these people from Facebook even. So if I was friends with one of our non-Scn nieces or nephews (who obviously were connected to Gale), then I also had to disconnect from them. I did not feel as though it was written by LRH, it did not sound like him at all. It was signed L. Ron Hubbard, but then said something like “issued by Watchdog Committee”. I wish I had a copy and/or could remember exactly.
Marildi, can you acknowledge that Mike was trying to clarify something that does not fit your benevolent view of Ron?
I find you simply stop responding after you make a claim and Mike refutes it with his direct experience of what is true.
I am curios as to what your motive is. Simply curious.
Well, Dan Koon was in RTRC he was used to Hubbard writing. And why Vaughn Young would lie on that? It’s illogical. He actually hated Hubbard. When he said that, it was around the nineties, the big movement started with Marty Rathbun was not yet. He had no reason to lie, especially on an affidavit.
I think that most of the Ron’s Journal from 1982 are also forgeries. “From clear to eternity” is selling OT levels which are not existing. Hubbard never promoted something which doesnt exist.
Mike, ou saw dispatch from Hubbard declaring misson holder etc…But were they really from Hubbard ? Did you at this time met Hubbard flesh and blood?
Happy New Year Mike and Christie and everyone reading here – and Happy New Year to Debbie Cook and Wayne Baumgarten wherever you are!
Hi Lois, I have loved reading your recollections, and am so sad this is the last instalment! You said something in part 6 that I wanted to ask about and that is that MSH and the Messengers always had an uneasy relationship. Do you know why that was? What was DM’s gripe with her? Was it real or do you think he just wanted her out the way? Incidentally, I came into Scn through the Jhb North Org. My sister moved into an apartment next to Sadie Lurie and she introduced us to George Southworth at Jhb North. We left in about mid 2012. The two Southworth girls, Kashanka and Lauren were still at school when I first met them, and Lauren told me emphatically she was NEVER going to join the SO. And now she is an RTC Rep. (last I heard), and the Southworth family have collectively spent a lifetime on the RPF between them. I guess what you said about how hard it is to re-integrate into normal life cannot be emphasized enough. It is so hard that people who are in that bubble cannot get out – they have nothing to back them up, no friends on the outside, no contacts, no money, no drivers’ licence, no car, no credit cards, no work experience, practically no civilian clothes, no roof over their heads – literally no-where to go. They actually fear being off-loaded because all their options have been taken away, and their fears of the outside world played upon. So hard! I wonder what it is that Yager believes he has achieved (per his telex to you)? His loyalty to DM has been repaid in ridicule (comments about him and Leserve). Thank-you for filling in some of the details – what a debacle!
Wendy – About halfway through this chapter I found a few stories told the author, that may shed light on Mary Sue’s uneasy relationship with the Commodore’s Messengers…
https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/miller/bfm18.htm
Hi Watchful Navigator – Thank you so much for taking the time and trouble to give this reply. What a drama!
I’m shaking my head and muttering “unbelievable” but I know only too well, it is very believable and diabolically true.
I just read your whole series today. Thank you, it has been illuminating, and rebalanced things for me.
Nothing like the truth to lift up the burden of jumbled speculations.
I was there in the early 80’s as a public and only smelled from far the fumes of an SO declare frenzy. It was that disturbing. But I did not dig into it. One of my best friend blew and was declared or it could have been the reverse, I will never know. The golden rod statements described acts of someone just too unlike him to be believable. That was worrisome, but I was frozen in the bubble of the absolutisms (of which there are no such things per the axioms).
In fact it makes me think that the CoS should really be renamed the Church of the Absolutisms That Are Not, or CATAN, just thinking aloud here, sorry.
By now the CoS is becoming famous for methodically shooting themselves in the foot every time they issue golden rod declare on someone that was wonderful for the last 20 years, or issuing the “bitter apostate” stories (yes but beware of the Bitter People), or writing “Freedom Magazine” articles with carefully crafted stories explaining yesterday’s proud knights into today’s suppressive persons. Like Debbie Cooke, Mike, the 2001 auditor of the year in Israel, the Chicago org sup loved by his students for the last 25 years. And on and on.
For the people still in, let alone those directly affected by disconnection, those things stack up little by little, and one by one, it starts bothering a man here, a woman there, and they start thinking . . . Yikes!
Maybe some of your family will be those too.
Let’s not forget most of us were once one of those “in the bubble”.
But nothing like those shows to speed things up (dare I say get some tone arm action?), can’t wait for the next Leah.
Sorting it out – Yes, they have become so embarrassing (the declares) that the org won’t even PUBLISH them broadly or allow the new SP to have a copy for their records. Their reasoning? They don’t want libel suits.
Seems to me that if they were telling the truth, there wouldn’t be any cause for a libel suit, hmmmm?
But that logic escapes them. Completely.
Go Leah and Mike. FBI bring order.
LOL, FBI Bring Order! Imagine shouting that instead of “HCO Bring Order!” if you were called upon to do that shouting that policy calls for, hilarious!
Just when I thought it couldn’t get worse, it does. I’m guessing more and more people will tell their stories. Thank you Mike for giving us a platform to speak, listen, blow charge, etc.
Lois – wow, insanity at its best. As an ex-30 yrs. in – reading this whole, KR, comm ev, Bof I, RPF, your journey, etc. etc. is insanity at its best. I understand the jargon and what you’re explaining and what you went through and can’t believe it. Imagine a never in reading this and trying to understand all of it. No wonder the never ins think we are/were insane to be subjected to all this. It’s really mind boggling.
Once again what I love about your story is that you left and prospered. Unfortunately, those SO members still in can’t read this and see that they too can leave and move on with their lives.
But hey, OSA robots reading this – you too can leave and prosper. Just a thought you need to ponder. Time to move on – RUN FOR THE HILLS.
On that note, I’d like to make a personal shout out.
Georgina. Walk out. Catch a cab. Don’t look back. You’ve seen enough. It’s all true.
Wow…… so much for an innocent applied philosophy of self help. This seems like the first act of a Greek tragedy or Shakespeare’s Titus Andronicus with everybody dead or dying on the floor at the end of the play. It was such heavy going that I couldn’t even start on the comments.
Not to belittle the other stories in the unbelievably great Leah/Mike series but it deserves a whole hour to itself. I’m guessing there are more epic goings on yet to be revealed that also deserve such a deep dive.
The overhanging tragedy is the amount of human damage done by this cult’s ambition for power and money. COS seems to have a deep suicide implant and reminds me of James Joyce, through his fictional alter ego Stephen Dedalus, talking about Ireland being the “old sow that eats its farrow”.
I’m late adding my thanks to all the contributors to this website and the hard work and diligence of MIke Rinder in catalyzing the whole thing over the years. Well done. Scientology’s number is up.
All good things for 2017
Thank you, Mike, for posting this woman’s story.
I knew Dede and Peter when they were in the FSO. Dede was posted as the super cargo. I worked with her daily she was so nice. I had no idea about her past until I did a Int quals mission.
Dede was never posted in the FSO. I think you are thinking of Peter’s wife after Dede left, I believe she was the FCCI PO.
Lois, I’m looking through my archives for the PL on disconnection that you were shown. Are you positive it was an HCO PL, that it was from 1983 and that it was 2 paragraphs? (just want to narrow down my search)
I found a 3 paragraph PL from the C of S Int from Sept 1983 that mentions disconnection as a tool.
If the PL you are referring to is not already out there on the net, please try and find a means of getting it out. It would serve as another proof that disconnection exists and is a tool.
nomnom, When I did the MAA full hat the disconnection policies were from the 60’s and those PLs were NEVER canceled. Per HCO PL it requires a specific PL issue to cancel a PL. That didn’t happen. Disconnection (for being connected to an SP) was and has always been the LRH policy AND Tech since the 1960’s. “Good Roads & Good Weather” and other NON disconnection methods are ONLY for being connected to NON-SP person who is antago.
Louis, thank you again for sharing your story with us. I appreciate the detailed time line. It helps understanding the sick frame of mind of the church. Can’t wait to see the “Aftermath”. I can’t imagine what it would be like not being in contact with my boys. Don’t give up. The fight is not over! You are very strong and courageous. Yossi
Lovely story Lowie. Lovely because you found yourself and are living the human journey… something we who were part of scientology thought we could transcend. Looking forward to the rest of your story on Leah’s show.
Lois, I’m very sorry to hear of all you have gone through.
“If LRH’s ONLY way to get any sort of communication about the church was from these two, who knows what was told to LRH. ”
“One interesting fact that happened with our meeting with the Org’s Ethics Officer – she showed us a policy letter, which is NOT in the OEC volumes and I had never heard of before. In fact, it was written by LRH supposedly but Watchdog Committee as well. This policy was dated 1983 (after we had originally left) – ….”
(From your article, Part 7.)
This is why I have repeatedly said that I do not give credit to changes to the Bridge after LRH left in 1976. Someone who reviewed all writings put it: (approximately) “I trust materials up to about 1976.” The implication is that things after 1976, and all the changes to the Bridge that occurred after that are not trustworthy.
The SP declares had started by 1980, maybe many sooner than that. Something like 76% of the original St. Hill staff – the ones who were there when Scientology was still Scientology – were declared.
Thanks Lois. I read all épisodes of your testimony. Obviously the world collapsed with the take over of Miscavige.
Scientology was no longer scientology.
I was a public and true never heard during all the 1970 about disconnection and SP declare. Nobody I knew was declared in the 1970. It was not even a threat. Even though, on the GO some were insane.
On this blog, many people deny that there can be a difference beetween LRH and Miscavige.
Fortunatly you are telling how things happened.
Miscavige has changed Scientology for the worst. I also felt the alternative world in 82.
The policy you talk about of 1983 is “PTSness and disconnection”. Many people think it’s not written by Hubbard.
Thank you for your very valuable testimony.
No it is not that HCOB, I know that one backwards. This was a Policy Letter that was only 2 paragraphs. It was almost as though LRH wrote it as an advice and then WDC issued it as a Policy Letter.
Maybe it was a sort of basic for PTS ness and disconnection. Something hit me on what you said it’s the feeling you had that time derailed, an alternate continuum for the worst. I felt it myself, a kind of the start of the wrong road. It simply wasn’t scientology any longer, a kind of travesty.
Scientology has derailed at this moment. Can it be possible that its only due to Miscavige ?
But I would say that without Miscavige, scientology and maybe the world would be entirely different
I believe John McMaster said it first, something like Hubbard corrupted scientology with the introduction of PTS/SP tech or something like that. There is a video or you tube floating around on the internet of his speech.
I believe it. That’s the first biggest piece of shit course in scientology.
Yea, a pilot ought be run by Scientology, and if they just did NO PTS/SP handling of the people, and let them be talked out of Scientology by the irrate friends and family, then that would be BETTER for Scientology.
Just do NO PTS/SP handling, of their followers, for 2 years, in an org, as a pilot, and see what the results are!
People who want to do Scientology will show up and do it.
And those that get family or friends to talk them out of doing Scientology will naturally drop off.
See what happens, I bet those that stay will be stronger smarter persons who figure out for themselves how to defend their choice for sticking with Scientology.
I’m just forever “wearing the hat of Exec Strata, Scientology’s think tank” who were supposed to be doing the big strategy researches for Scientology to increase the growth of the movement.
But my “tip” or pilot I’d like to run, were I the think tank guy that they were supposed to have, but the think tank is moribund due to Miscavige retiring all its members to the “Hole”, what I’d do is a 2 year pilot, let at org NOT do any PTS SP stuff at all, for two years, and see what that org’s stats and membership participation and progress on the Hubbard “Bridge” is in that time. And what kind of members stick it out after two years.
The best thing to do in a case like this is to follow the policy that gets the result! That is my policy. 🙂 The Church of Scientology fights people’s wins in life so that others may recognize theirs instead. To me, and probably a few other people, that is crazy, so it cannot be real Dianetics and Scientology, it has to be something else. One day LRH will come back here and I hope he is prepared for what he will find when he does. With somebody like DM in charge it is not too difficult to imagine the outcome. 🙂
Thanks for the additional recollections, Lois. They are valuable in putting things in perspective.
Thank you for all the installments of your story. This is valuable history to be known. But I am very sorry for the abuse you and your husband and others went through at that time. You are doing the right thing to speak up now to save others the same fate. And I think you have the beginnings of a good full length book! I hope you write a book.
Thanks again Lois! Incredible information.
That telex and your story highlights one of the thought stopping mechanisms that is used by those intent on control, specially those with an evil purpose.
By that I mean the lack of logic and sense that permeates their actions and statements.
A reasonable person stops in their tracks while they try to make sense of what is being said or what is happening around them. Whether it’s an injustice, a mind boggling exaggeration or a lunatic view of what’s going on, the ‘unbelievable’ (or WTF) factor makes the good person freeze.
That pause is used for advantage by the perpetrator whether to make another move or to use as ‘evidence’ that what they are saying is true.
Miscavige has been a master of that – a characteristic of a sociopath.
Lois, you doing a public service. Thank you very much. Best to you and yours in 2017!
Lois and Gary……I sit here with my head in my hands and tears in my eyes. It is very difficult to comprehend. I felt like I was reading a story that just kept speeding up….faster and faster…heading straight for a wall. I really don’t know what to say…..what words will bring comfort?
The only thing that comes to mind is that by sharing your story….you are shining a light into the darkness….and giving more former members courage to come forward.
A door has been opened…and behind that door is …Pandora’s Box. It’s can’t be closed now.
To anyone afraid of speaking out…..don’t be. You have the support of millions of people around the world….Tell Your Story……it may save someone else’s life.
Yours…..OverTheBridgeTPA
Wow. So much insanity. Thank you for sharing this, Lois.
As a sidebar, Lois, I was at Flag in ’81. I played guitar in the room they used for movies. I did some skits in the Lemon Drop (?) Restaurant. Not sure if I have the name right. The public loved it! The SO? Not so much. But, I was public and putting money on account! I eventually got all of my money back using an attorney.
Thank you for your courage in what I think of as a cautionary tale for all who set out on their personal recovery from Scientology mindfield. Because it is a mindfield. I didn’t realize I would create so many harsh backlash and hurt feelings when I began speaking up on the subject of not using Scientology methodologies of any kind to recover from Scientology’s mindf*ck. We all know that the processes are form of mental talk therapies, not religious ceremonies. There is no such thing as almost out. It’s like saying you are physically out of prison but you still like to visit. Your story encompasses the best and the worst of all our stories, Lois.
There are those who have labeled Knowledge Reports as a nasty Eddie Haskell kind of snitching culture. True enough every group has an Eddie. But what is missed is Scientology’s entire “ethics and justice” system is a tool not to help as claimed but to control. In Scientology circles both for staff and public members you are gradually indoctrinated to never speak about your feelings, doubts, concerns except fake happy “successes” and attribute all to The Great and Powerful Oz and his magic bag of tech.
So there are there criticisms for not speaking up. But the left hand never knows what the right hand is dong in Scientology because you can’t speak. I used to think that those of you in the upper upper management circles knew everything. I have learned that isn’t even true! The Only allowed way and form for speaking up was through Knowledge Reports! There were even silly category titles like, “Things That Shouldn’t Be” for those times when you had no clue what was going on but knew it was something evil and so screwed up beyond anything you’d ever experienced.
I doubled over laughing when I saw Leah Remini’s and Mike Rinder’s suggestion about writing up Knowledge Reports. I’ll bet they have a river of them by now. I’ve been writing mine up in snippets over the last 6 years online. The majority of good intentions and well meaning Scientologists start out writing up reports not to be nasty little twits but because they believed 1) the Scientology ethics system was there to help improve conditions and 2) you were only as good and worthwhile as this week’s “stats”. Eventually you either realize that system is there to keep you forking over your cash and/or blood, sweat and toil or finally, that there is no such thing as ethics and justice in Scientology. It can take years to at last realize your are worthy of a happy and fulfilling life.
Over half a century members and former members have sat on their personal stories of abuse, under the crushing threat of a wealthy sociopath, with no one to send them to, no one who would listen. Now they do. From fake ethics “A to E” to genuine ethics from “A&E”. Delicious irony. Lois, as much anguish divulging all you have in your own report may be causing you, I hope you know you are saving someone’s son and daughter with every episode. You are helping all of us to answer long stewing questions. We all have to find our own ways to help those left behind, not as demanded or dictated by critics but by our own hearts and minds. I hope you and your family have found your way to healing and recovering them all. “We Come Back” – until the last one is home.
“the right hand is dong” That’s either a typo or one of those Freudian slips. You decide 🙂
That is funny?. Was never in $cientology but involved with a cult in the ’80s. They all have the same hallmarks, powerful knowing leaders all the way down to the followers in denial. As it turns out the leaders lie, cheat and do their best to hide it. It becomes a disfunctional family with, let’s say a man named Mr McRavage, who lays down irrational rules and the kids who try their best to pull a rabbit out of a hat. Of course when the rabbit does not materalize, there is hell to pay courtesy of the top dog. $cientology offers nothing of spiritual value. I am glad the new A&E show is bringing awareness to the world about this oppressive and suppressive group.
Lois and Clearlypissedoff: Thank you for sharing!
It seems it’s David Miscavige’s fiefdom and Scientology is the window dressing.
Brian,
Are you still in touch with Likki?
I haven’t heard from her in over 15 years. Neither has Robin or Mike.
If she wishes for her whereabouts to remain unknown, no problem. I just want to know she’s ok.
Hey War Horse, no. The last time in touch with Likki was this time in early eighties. She chose to become a homeless person. She actually liked it. She slept in vacant lots. Once I found her sleeping in my back yard. What I have known of her where abouts is what others have found online.
It is my opinion, not a certainly, that she went underground because she knew she was the one who got the OT materials out. We all knew of the vindictive and cruel nature of the church.
We all hated SPs, and agreed that SPs were to be destroyed. And now we were all SPs.
Likki had problems. And in my view, the OT materials made those issues very bad. Scary bad.
She put all of her hopes in Hubbard. Nuff said.
This is difficult to read as you have to steel yourself
from getting too emotional but thanks Lois for laying
out the insanities of Scientology and LRH and DM
plus his henchmen.
This cherch is a true cancer in our society.
“This cherch is a true cancer in our society.”
Truer words were never spoken, Lars. You can’t get more specific than that!
Thank you, Lois, for sharing your scientology story, one that went from light (in the beginning) to dark (at the end).
A Nuremberg Trial-like tribunal needs to be convened for prominent members of scientology who carried out, planned or participated in crimes against humanity. Your story helped confirm my suspicion that close proximity to David Miscavige helped drive L. Ron Hubbard nuts.
DM must be quite a force to reckon with.
I don’t have any doubts about why I left the Church of Scientology when and where I did. With all due respect to Lois, I don’t know how anyone new to Scientology like I was, can imagine they are getting their case handled in an environment like that of the church. And, I just want to add something here, that 99.9% of the time the “amends” the church “issues” are never appropriate to the crime reported, which causes ZERO case gain, and is why church members are the nasty people that they are. They are being lied to for huge sums of money and the like it. 🙂 I was past the Church of Scientology of New York last night and people just stand in front of their building and look at them. People that have obviously gone outside the box to read online about the church’s activities and get the facts for themselves. Thank you Mike for the keeping Scientology “working”. 🙂
Jenny at LAX, “DM must be a force to be reckoned with” … with all due respect he is NOT that. He is a small bully with a huge entourage of goons who would fight anyone who would stand up to him, or the goons would physically remove the person if he looked like he might defend themselves against DM’s beatings, which is what they did to Marc Headley. LRH said that “the only power an SP has is the power to restimulate” and that they can’t hurt or cause things on their own. All they can do is scare you, restimulate you, etc. That is why he does the Noisy Investigation by PI’s, to scare and restim a person. DM has no real power of his own. He has to steal or usurp it from others, again, a characteristic of a Suppressive Person. And right now Davey is being beaten by a girl! How humiliating it must be for him!
Cindy, you are SO right. It is classic “Hitlerism”. Scream and rage, protected by the storm troopers, get your two year old “way”. He has NO PERSONAL POWER whatsoever, knows nothing of the tech beyond how to destroy it. Leah and Mike are “beating him up” and you may be damned sure he’s furious, especially since there is not the slightest thing he can do about it. He’s now being revealed for the utter fool and despot that he is, unable to appear in public, unable to speak “for the record”, unable to speak any truth whatsoever. He is doomed, but unknowing of it. His fears are palpable. It has truly be said that what goes around, comes around. What a miserable twit!
As a side note, I thought it was interesting what DM experienced during his asthma attack, emerging with some type of “truth” (Power is assumed). Similar to a reported dental incident with LRH. As the story goes he had an out-of-body experience, and realized the common denominator in life is Survive!
Both seem to contribute to the supernatural folklore surrounding Scn.
Hi Statpush. My feeling about that little incident with DM is that he didn’t just, “have a cognition” about assuming power. Someone else said that he said, “Power isn’t given to you, you have to take (or assume) it.”
The CIA, FBI etc. were really trying to get a good, tight hold on Scn at that time. If you’ve studied a lot of MK-Ultra stuff, PDH, etc., etc. what he came away saying and then, subsequently doing, seems right out of the handbook.
Some may poo poo the idea but there was too much of a personality flip at that point to be a simple cognition.
If the powers that be wanted to be rid of Scientology, Hubbard, etc because there WAS something effective enough about it to change people for the better (get them off drugs, make them more literate, caring about societal problems like the IRS, slavery in South African prisons, Agent Orange, etc. etc.) what better way than to take someone who was close to Ron, make Ron into a paranoid mess, 3rd party him against his wife so that he never talked to her again (per Mary Sue) and just take over.
Then, rip Scientology apart from the inside out with the Finance Police, destroying the mission network, and doing everything but delivering standard tech and doing everything to destroy it – that’s the work of an implanted robot. All the while he thinks he’s forwarding LRH’s purposes because that’s what the implant says.
I’ve been thinking this for a while. I can’t think of any other possibility for this level of destruction from the inside. He’s like a cancerous, virus infected Trojan Horse.
Well, sorry to be a wet blanket, but I poo-poo this. Miscavige is the product of two things: 1. His inherent personality and 2. His study of how to succeed in the scientology system and grasp of the writings of L. Ron Hubbard, most especially the Simon Bolivar PL). These are the simple, straightforward answers that don’t require imagination or conspiracy theories.
Thank you Mike, today I will work on the GE essay. Maybe you can elaborate for all of the corrosive and denigrating effect that Bolivar had on OSA/GO and particularly Miscavige.
I have been trumpeting that idea for years now. I don’t have a much clout as you. I believe the doctrine of Bolivar IS!!! the playbook of David.
Such an ignorant young angry boy acquiring such an evil Instruction.
Could you please do a post?
The line that to me is the basic basic on the evil is:
“IT TAKES A FRIGHTENING LEVEL OF CRUELTY”
That one concept can be the entire post. It’s demonic.
The Nazi youth use to raise puppies, dogs. And then they had to kill them to overcome their “frightening level of cruelty.”
Ditto, excellent summary of Miscavige. I saw in him a person who wished to outdo all others in the LRH compliance or LRH one-up-man-ship game.
Orders Queery policy against an LRH order that conflicted an earlier LRH order was tricky business when LRH was alive, but it didn’t always result in squashing in all cases.
Orders Queery against an Miscavige order or program target I think today means squashing and heavy ethics in all cases. (Not unless Miscavige has changed the earlier order with a later more important order.)
I don’t know how the crim regging has been allowed to go on so widely.
Queerying the strategic mistakes of the movement, one big point is Miscavige’s failure to post the top two councils, and this is based on the policy of leaving posts vacant in certain instances. But Hubbard NEVER allowed his top councils to be vacant, he forced them be filled.
That is just a massive strategic blunder.
Another strategic blunder is the lost tech of PTS A handling (good roads fair weather, which is massively successful and demands really good coaching the PTS person through their SP contacts, to cool off the SP communication until smooth communication is gotten from the “SP” person, it takes good skill and patience, time, to get things smoothed over, but that is far better than this whole institutional massive last 3 decades of out of control SP declaring. That is the biggest strategic blunder that backfires on Scientology, is the implementation of the LRH heavy ethics orders to Management that DM had turned into “timeless tech” and this has now backfired.
The LRH orders and traffic of LRH’s final years, the really stressful scathing stuff, backs up DM’s WDC ED 86-3 mentality, of blowing the stops off expansion lines with “ethics”.
That’s wrong, that is now how one expands a nuturing religion.
Way to Happiness was the most immediate “lost tech” that ought to have immediately been implemented in the 1980s and never gone into the Mission Holders demolition phase and all the massive Int Base offloading, there was just a massive offloading in 1982 at the Int Base that still to this day hasn’t been neatly summarized, I think because it hit so many people that they all none of them really had an overview of that 1982 Int/Gold staff offloading.
I came alone in 1983 June, and Andre Clavel was routing out! What wall, why would such an artist be going!
It boggled my mind, the turnover of personnel in the last 10 years of LRH’s life.
That’s institutionalized bad something really wrong, deeper and goes into LRH letting that kind of personnel loss be “normal.”
The movement’s loss of staff personnel is really a major problem, that really needs a 20 year handling by EEI.
All for what though, I wonder, since where are the OTs, from any era of Scientology, or from the freezone.
If Scientology is like a hobby religion, and kind of a swell time doing pseudo-therapy and doing some of the drills and exercises (Conditions by Dynamics, Exchange by Dynamics those two I can see some life improvements possible) but there is just too much to question.
I sure wish there were some real OTs, then arguing for Scientology’s whole existence might be valid, and just strip off the craziness.
Mike, did you ever hear of LRH ever doing anything OT (supernatural, something really supernatural)?
Lois,
I thank you from the breadth of my heart. While I am glad that this is the end of a long, dark era, hopefully it is not the end of the story.
I was really feeling like an ‘only one’, in that it has been obvious to me that Miscavige never understood a lick of Scientology, never had any real, lasting case gain, and wrapped himself in the mantle of ‘Stolen Valor’ while indulging his Louis the XIV valence.
Been there, done that. You see, way back in the day, I did have a real “SP” in my life, and I had to INSIST that ALL of the technology was applied. This meant Type A handlings, PTS Rundown, and ultimately a Suppressed Person Rundown, TO FULL EP. And it not only changed my but theirs,as well.
So this “politicalization” of SP declares is a total failure, as the enforcement of Ethics without Truth is slavery. The last 2 words of the Communication Formula (as I was taught it) were “with Understanding”….
I do not know if we will ever see proper application and discipline to deliver like that again, but it is strongly postulated for the future.
Lastly, I find it of interest that the Death of Paramahansa Yogananda (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramahansa_Yogananda) was used as a bit of a Hidden Standard in the aftermath of LRH’s ‘departure’, and that prior to that Yogananda had turned over a number of the centers to female devotees…
Oh, the curse of the Y chromosome…
Thank You!
Ok, that was cryptic. I am assuming you are referring to me re Yogananda.
To be clear, Yogananda is only one example of spiritual masters deciding on the day and consciously leaving their bodies. His is unique only in that it was chronicled in the west.
There are many instances of Tibetan Yogis and other Indian Sages that have done the same. The info is out there if interested.
I brought up the issue of Ron’s exist to Yogananda’s exit as a method of comparison. How truly freed wise men leave the body vs. con men.
No hidden standard. It’s out there in the free sunshine to see.
You can’t learn weight loss from the fat man.
I hope that fills in some things for you Tom.
Actually , Brian, no. Wasn’t thinking of you at all. In the org I was associated with at the time, I recall the ED stating that LRH’s body was immaculate, no smoking visible in the lungs, etc. Just an illustration of how deeply the kool-aid flowed through some veins. And ‘Autobiography of a Yogi’ was one of my 3 all time favorite books in my mis-spent youth. Vonnegut’s ‘Slaughter House 5’ was another and Hesse’s ‘Siddartha’ the third.
Ha, Tom. Sorry for the misunderstanding. A few posts back on Mike’s blog I mentioned Yogananda’s conscious exit. Your posting it made me assume it was a reference to that.
Siddartha and Johnathan Livingston Seagull did it for me as a teen. All I wanted was Nirvana. Such dreamers we. Actually, I’m still there.
Yes, for me Autobiography was a key change in my life also.
Sorry for the assuming.
I read Bach’s second book, “Illusions: Adventures of a Reluctant Messiah”, at least twice a year and have done so since it was published in 1977. Simple truth and extremely “freeing”.
Once again, thank you so much for contributing to the historical record, Lois.
I was Comm Ev’d in 2013, for essentially thought crimes. Your account of your Comm Ev is the same pattern used today. For a staff member or parishioner who the church deems an SP, the Comm Ev is merely a formality, a checkbox to be ticked for IJC. I felt there was nothing I could do or say that would influence the outcome. And, truth to form, I was found guilty of the most unimaginable crimes and high crimes (really unbelievable stuff).
This experience shifted my view of the role of the Comm Ev. Comm Eves have nothing to do with discovering the truth, but has everything to do with protecting the organization and the preservation of power and control. And the last decade or so, the elimination of dissent amongst the membership. It is a brute force tool used by the church to “disappear” unwanted or threatening elements…regardless of consequence.
MIke, you are providing a great service here. Your support of Leah is outstanding. I am an avid watched of her show — she, as well as you, have a lot of courage. I see that Lois Reisdorf is supposed to be featured soon on Leah’s show — I keep getting the feeling that Mary Rathbun is not going to be involved. I pray that I am wrong but I get the inclination, since you took over the blogging aspect, that he is backing away. Maybe he has something else in mind. I hear nothing about his wife’s lawsuit — maybe that is part of his absence. It really is a damn shame that you or Leah can’t or haven’t gotten the likes of Debbie Cook, Pat Broeker, Ron Jr or Bittie on. Obviously, of those, and others, Broeker would be the gold standard in learning what really happened. Nonetheless, I agree with you — keep it up — keep exposing all this misery and heartbreak that is being caused and sustained by the psychopath David Miscavige.
I have never been as stunned reading something as I am right now after this. Thanks Lois. I truly don’t know what to say or feel. I’ve learnt to control my initial anger when confronted by something that needs immediate revenge bestowed upon it. But I do have an understanding of what insanity is and apart from any other complications with Scn, DM needs a padded cell, a life sentence or to simply disappear. The Church however, is severely poisoned and has been for a long, long time. I made some very good friends who were in the SO, it is one of my greatest sorrows that I do not know any of them now nor anyone I associated with as a dedicated staff member for a decade or more. OH my… the heartache that Scientology is… so many shattered lives & relationships. Good on you piecing your life back together again. Peace to you and yours and all affected by the Scientology dream that turned out to be a nightmare.
DM has good reason to be extremely paranoid and his henchmen too. Come on Pat… where are you?
Thanks I Yawnalot – appreciate the comment. Yes, Pat you need to come out of the shadows.
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Pat Broeker, this is unraveling like a Shakespeare’s play.
It seems to me that the script says,”Pat Broeker enters stage right”
The audience gasps and Pat says,” I shall now tell my tell of exile and life with L Ron Hubbard and the scourge of the Midget.
Pat, if you need money, this may become a movie.
You hold the cards. The world awaits you. We need the truth. You have the truth.
It hurts to read this story. So many really good people hurt by Scientology and the insanity that surrounds it. A person who was never in Scientology but had their family torn apart by it, described Scientology as a social disease. Seems fitting.
I vaguely remember reading a story once about a French soldier in WW1, who felt compassion for a German soldier on the battlefield after that battle conflict was subsiding and refused to shoot. That German was Adolf Hitler. The moment Lois mentioned that came and went that could have nailed DM too… Yes, social diseases can spread far and wide from what seems to be an innocuous moment.
Lois,
Thank you for reliving the nightmare for all to see. The evil deeds of Miscavige are now being pulled for all the world.
I will not now comment on Ron’s contribution to this, as the delicious justice towards Miscavige is too sweet and I am enjoying the savoy taste on my soul palette.
HERE’S WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN THE FIELD AT THIS TIME:
The mass blowing of Scientologists arrived at this point. It was in 82 when most of my friends all felt that something was not right.
After the great mission destruction we all knew thugs had taken over. Martin Samuels held a meeting in LA to a packed house. The feeling in the room was one of outrage and danger.
My wife Likki Mckecknie (Lambert) and I were there. Martin Samuels told of a take over. A violent take over. We all decided to blow the church.
There were so many wacko Scientology like theories being thrown around as to why this was happening.
1) invader forces
2) attacks from government
3) Ron was called El Ron El Ray and he was waiting for loyal officers on a space ship
Crazy space opera shit.
It was at this time that Likki stole the OT3 materials from AO and went to Charlie Chan’s and made copies for me. She then returned the materials to AO.
OT 3 cost me about .35 Cents in cost of copies.
I have always been proud of that.:-)
Likki stole the materials as a result of her perception that some nepharious plot was taking over the church.
ALL OF MY FRIENDS KNEW IT AT THE TIME. BUT NOW LOIS YOU ARE TELLING THE CORRECT STORY. WE NEED YOU TO PUSH IT OUT THERE!!!!!
It was then that I gave the materials to some auditors and they started running OT 3 in the field. Sometimes for free.
We all still believed in this drivel at this point and we thought we were saving the planet by getting confidential materials in the hands of loyalists.
I believe this was the first time the OT3 materials left the orgs to be given to the world.
I ran OT 3 for about a month and decided it was bullshit. I was grateful to my X wife for giving me the materials because the mystery was solved.
Mystery being solved, I went back to my yogic disciplines and love for God.
Happy to put this crazy delusional organization way behind me.
For me it was my brother in law who told me about Clam Bake. From there I found Leaving Scientology. Then Marty’s and now Mike’s
You guys…… is it just me…… or do you sense some creative Hollywood people smelling a feature film.
This crazy shit will make a great movie.
I would love to score ? it. It’s what I do.
Thank you for surfacing Lois. You are my hero today ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Correction: Likki did not steal the OT3 materials. Being on OT3x she signed them out and put them in her brief case with the chain to her hand.
She routed them out correctly and said she was reviewing the materials.
Then onto Charlie Chan’s copy place and into the hands of society.
“I ran OT 3 for about a month and decided it was bullshit.” It took me three days to realize I was running LRH’s personal case and that I had to actually CREATE the BTs in order to audit them. What a farce.
Wow Brian that is so interesting to see what was happening on the outskirts of this whole thing going down. It sure was a major shift in the church back then and the first large expulsion of so many good people.
Hey Lois, yes, it is fascinating to know what was going on in the inside. There are also many horror stories on the outside.
A friend of mine, name not presented, was auditing OT3 outside of the church. Strange people were coming around to his house and freaking him out.
It was a time of danger. I left LA for a year to leave the craziness. I had other reasons to leave.
Here is a strange one:
I was renting a house near Celebrity Center and living with my girlfriend during this time. One day her hand started getting itchy. Then mine started getting itchy, Then our whole bodies got itchy. It was terrible.
We went to the doctors and said we had scabbies. He gave us medicine and told us to wash and iron everything in our house to kill them.
Then a few days later, I really don’t know how or what we did it, but we were cleaning our kitchen and in the broom closet on the top shelf was a huge stack of bumper stickers.
This is what the bumper stickers said and I kid you not:
MAY A NEST OF SCABBIES BE IN YOUR HOUSE.
In retrospect I think one of our friends was a plant. I think she was ratting us out and she was working with Scientology thugs.
To this day I have no idea how this happened.
That is truly a hectic story – WOW!
Brian, you also have a great story to tell. I thought I saw a few days ago where you were going to do a posting for Mike’s blog about your tales – I’m sure it would be quite an interesting read.
The OT III story is a great one. I always wondered how they got into the open and heck – there wasn’t mass deaths from pneumonia after they were publicly released. Shocker!
I am writing something on the GE and how this is a source doctrine that assaults the sacred bonds of family. I sent a first draft to Mike. I need to revise it so non Scientologists can get it.
I just need to make time to do it. I will shortly as I feel it’s important.
Lois,Bravo and keep shining your Beautiful Light on this Cult.Thank you for the policy in 1983 that you saw.Never knew that one before.All the bad pieces of Scientology’s Tirade against all comers are being dragged into the disinfectant Sunlight.Love You.?
“Gale asked David Mayo (Snr CS International) to sec-check DM. DM refused and in fact tackled Gale and pushed her into filing cabinets. ”
Too bad there were no men around Miss Cabbage to take him out.
“Too bad there were no men around Miss Cabbage to take him out.” Up at Int?
I think they’ve all been castrated.
I would like to add just a small note from my point of view, as Lois’ husband. After I blew the FH, I seriously did not want anything, ever to do with SCN. When we moved to South Africa, we did have a great relationship with Lois’ “fully-in” family but from the day I left Clearwater I never once got on either side of an e-meter or read a page out of an SCN book – at least to the point where Lois’ story above ends. Other than her family, my friends from ’83 until now were all non-Scn’ers. I kept our SCN past totally secret to all of my friends, mainly due to being embarrassed to have been part of this cult.
I remember taking part in an amnesty so we could get thru our A-E. I bought TWTH booklets to hand out. I told them I handed them out. I did – I handed them to the garbage can.
I remember Lois’ sister, Dione visiting us from South Africa and we had my normal “wog” friends over for a barbeque, we told Dione to not mention SCN to them. She was NOT happy she had to hide SCN from my friends and no doubt she felt we were horrible people for not promoting SCN to my friends.
We just wanted to be normal people. I wanted to maintain a good relationship with Lois’ family and at the same time have a great relationship with my SP sisters (Gale and DeDe). One would think that people could NOT participate in SCN and yet not attack it and love family from both sides. Was it possible to have both families in my life? Apparently not.
What DM and OSA do not understand is that we would have been quite happy to just carry on being normal wogs with no beef with the cult. It was out of our lives. We could get along not having Lois’ South African family not communicating with us but they went a step too far by controlling my youngest son’s mind into leaving our lives. The cult shouldn’t fuck with me.
I too was totally willing to let my son and my husband do what they wanted in the church and I would not speak another word about it (because I did not want to lose my family) and even told OSA this. Nope. Dave had to declare me a suppressive person. The church and david miscavige always seem to go in the direction of making things worse.
The story above really drove home the point to me that the church of scientology is on its way out. Period. On the Create-Survive-Destroy or the Birth-Decay-Death cycle of it, it has been in the “Destroy” or “Death” phase for a while – actually to the point where it is really starting to stink.
Time to bury it.
More great stuff . . . and with a generally happy ending, too. Well done on demonstrating the ability to survive in even the harshest of conditions and thank you very much for speaking your truth.
If I may, I would just like to mention a couple of points. First . . .
Well, I suspect Dr J A Winter might actually be the first to be thoroughly maligned with extravagant lies and thrown to the wolves in what was the first brutal disconnection in Scientology, albeit largely uncodified. Another earlier example would be Scientology’s first “Clear”, John McMaster. The list goes on and on. I accept that you may have been the first in the David Miscavige era but L Ron Hubbard had already laid down plenty of precedent of how to go about it.
Nope. Disconnection was never cancelled. What happened was the onus was shifted so that rather than Scientology requiring disconnection it was up to the individual members to disconnect. If they didn’t disconnect then their “Eternity” was removed from them by them being sidelined for as long as it took toe “Handle” the situation. This didn’t apply if a person was declared a “Suppressive”. In that case, the individual Scientologist would have to disconnect or would themselves eventually be declared. Have a careful read of the relevant policy and you will see its just like the supposed cancellation of “Fair Game” – tricksy semantics hiding that nothing has changed.
I suspect that many people feel they were the first. The crafted illusion that earlier people were declared because they were genuinely evil translates into a belief that what is happening “to me” is different than what has gone before.
An illusion that is designed to create a delusion. Nasty stuff. (Not calling anyone delusional, except about this specific belief).
As far as people experiencing far worse in the decades to come, Lois is referring to having to clean out the Ft. Harrison garage and clean rooms, some sec checking etc. Compare that to the Hole or physical beatings by DM or running around a pole all day for months, or YEARS in the RPF. What happened with Gale, DeDe and Lois was tame compared to what people had to suffer thru at INT and elsewhere in years to come in the SO.
As far as the history of disconnection, I can only speak from my own experience. I remember on the Apollo I think they actually produced a Flag Order or something with a declare list. There seriously couldn’t have been 10 people on it (Paulette Cooper, Otto Roos, Joe Van Stadten perhaps John McMasters are the names that stick in my head). Now I would guess there are more people declared than there are active Scientologists but no list is produced because “disconnection doesn’t exist”.
The other thing that greatly increased the number of SPs. When MSH was taken out by DM, per Marty in his book Scientology Warrior, LRH told DM that when you take out an SP you take out all of their connections. That is the ultimate domino effect.
Ahhh – that’s clearer and, sure, fair nuff. Thank you.
The abuses have certainly involved greater numbers of people since Sea Org Captain Miscavige took over Scientology but I remain to be convinced that they are any worse, except in terms of duration. L Ron Hubbard had no qualms about assaulting people, or ordering others to do it for him, but, yeah, he didn’t keep people on his RPF for years. Mind you, he did hound Paulette Cooper and others for years and years. Also, I don’t imagine the over-boarding was much fun, nor cleaning the bilges, nor forcing people to stay awake for days on end for minor infractions, let alone imprisoning children in chain lockers. One of the worst examples of abuse of the RPF regimen was when a slave work-force of some 200 people was created. Using false meter readings (contrived Rock Slams, mainly) as an excuse, Scientologists by the score were bundled off to do severe hard labour for months at a time in order to complete the renovations of the Cedars Complex at PAC. That was in 1977. If you’re talking about RPFers being assigned dirty, disgusting, dangerous jobs for no good reason then people like Larry Spencer, Allen Grondin, Eddie Hansen, Jim Chapman, Paul Koval, Bill Skrifvars, Elaine Savitsky, Bobby Giles, Al Crivello, Sam Loria, John Bostrom, Wendy Bostrum, Bobby Shaffner and many others would be considered among the first.
As for running around poles in a desert, it was L Ron Hubbard who created that particular torture. IIRC, David Mayo and Karen De Le Carrier were among the first of his victims. David Mayo was forced to do it for so long his teeth started falling out due to his body becoming so low in nutrients. Oddly enough, a less strenuous version of the practise lives on today atop the Super Powers building in Clearwater where Miscavige has been able to monetise it. LRH would be proud, I’m sure.
The running around the pole was AFTER I was already declared. Yes, I am not saying that bad things did not happen in the SO before, they certainly did.
In David Mayo’s interview about the cruelty of Ron. I’m not sure if this is your family Lois. I apologize if it is and it brings up memories.
But here goes. David Mayo interview in Bare Faced Messiah. One paragraph:
“He could be capable of incredible cruelty. On the ship there was an old man on the Royal Scotman who he made push a peanut round the decks with his nose. He had to get down on his hands and knees, he had to go round the deck, quite a long distance in a race with one or two others also in trouble. The first one back got let off and the last one got a double penalty. It was really tough on this old guy, Charlie Reisdorf. The surface of the deck was very rough wood, prone to splinter, so after pushing peanuts with their noses, they all had raw, bleeding noses, leaving a trail of blood behind them. I not only saw it but the entire crew of the ship was mustered – a mandatory attendance – we were required to watch this punishment, to make an example of it for the rest of us. Reisdorf was in his late 50s probably. His two daughters were messengers, they were 11 or 12 at time and his wife was there also. It was hard to say which was worse to watch: this old guy with a bleeding nose or his wife and kids sobbing and crying at being forced to watch this. Hubbard was standing there calling the shots, yelling, “Faster, Faster!”. It was indignity, degradation and breaking a person’s will, and making people watch. It was disgusting.”
Hi Brian, this was my father-in-law, Charles Reisdorf, the father of Dede, Gale and Gary. I was not on the ship when this happened. I believe the story that David Mayo tells is not totally correct. But I will check with the family members and get the real story.
Thanks Lois
Lois, on another internet search, I found a site that has some of the OODs (Orders of the Day). Here is one that said it was “From the Flag OODs published onboard the Apollo on 6 October 1971.” It seems that the incident with Charles Reisdorf was quite different from the way David Mayo described it.
*Y*A*C*H*T* *A*P*O*L*L*O*
_ORDERS OF THE DAY_
[…]
_1. COMMAND_
[…]
GREAT PEANUT RACE
The low hour Festival Auditors were Joyce Tidy, Vi Wellington
and Charles Reisdorf. This made them contestants in pushing a
peanut with their noses on a race course on the Prom deck. They
had substitutes race for them, Pat McCullough, Bonnie McPeek
and Diane Reisdorf.
Early in the race, Diane Reisdorf crashed through the guard
rails. Charles Reisdorf took over. The McCullough lead was
tightly contested by McPeek.
Reisdorf was fighting a head wind and fell further and
fyrther behind.
McCullough romped home with McPeek a close second, and won
by a nose.
As the last in Charles Reisdorf was relegated to wearing a
sheet at the ball.
[…]
LRH, COMMODORE
6 Oct 1971
LRH:mes
https://www.holysmoke.org/cos/apollo-oods.html
Once again Marildi defaults to redefining madness as a fun day sailing the ocean blue.
Anything to put Humpty back together again.
So Marildi, why didn’t you make any comment of the post:
How Scientology Deals With Critics: L Ron Hubbard’s Playbook
Could you please justify destruction of human beings lives at the hand of L Ron Hubbard.
You come to his rescue on these things.
Why did you not support Foolproof as he is usually in your club? Foolproof actually supported Ron’s methods of violence.
But Hubbard was a great guy and it was all David Miscavige’s fault!
Throw a kid in a chain locker and people will call you a guru. Throw people off ships and the people will follow your lead.
Sick, insane, deranged.
That Peanut Race was part of a Word Clearing festival going on and the word clearers with low hours had to push a peanut with their nose on the deck. Somewhere, I have copies of some of those OOD’s.
Thanks for that, Crepuscule.
In late 1977, ASHO Day recruited me for the post of Recruiter. Allen Britt and I were to join the ranks of the American St. Hill Org as Recruiters, but that never happened for me.
As the very first renovations took place of the old Cedars of Lebanon Hospital (before it became the “Big Blue,” and even before that blue paint job) in Los Angeles, some Sea Org members decided to trade me with someone else. Instead of arriving at ASHO, I went directly to CESO (Cedars Estate Services Org) where I served meals, three times a day, to Sea Org members.
I worked in the galley when hundreds of good Sea Org staff members started filling the RPF because of mis-read Rock Slams (I remember it happening in 1978). Bev Mustard, one of my main contacts at ASHO, ended up on the RPF, if I remember correctly. Everyday the RPF grew; it ballooned, filled with many sad, sorry and unhappy faces. I guess I got to see them more often than other EPFers or SO staff because the galley sat in the bowels of Big Blue. Those in the Galley and RPF went where no other men dared.
I sympathized with the RPFers with my eyes because they weren’t allowed to speak. Those in the RPF Galley crew were top-notch producers, dedicated to the Sea Org. They were damn fine people and I’m sorry for what happened to them. I can’t tell you how scared I was because those in charge of the mis-reads were sweeping through Big Big; soon, I would be next. Suddenly, their “Mission” ended, and life in the SO returned to “normal,” i.e. a dull roar.
Fred G. Haseney, a “Bitter, Disgruntled Apostate” (1977 to 2014)
The story of what went on in the SO is incredible. It boggles the mind as to the cruelty and the injustice of it all. I read an interesting historic account of what it was like in colonial Australia when I was a young man which I can’t believe how well it coincides with the behavioral pattern in the SO and the use of the RPF. The magistrates in Australia at that time were part and parcel of the governmental system, and involved in logistics, civil engineering etc. It was all mixed up with the military acting as police as well as a fledgling police force while the young nation was finding its feet. If say something like a bridge, road or building works required so much labor for ‘such n such’ a time, the courts adjusted the sentencing and if needed the definition of what was a crime to fulfill the personnel needed for civil works ie slave labor. It wasn’t let the punishment crime fit the crime, it was let the needed labor become criminals in the eyes of the courts. Saved them a lot of money that way and recruitment was brutal, but relatively easy. That was the systematical and organisational behavior of the authorities that Ned Kelly rebelled against. (interesting that they called the police “Traps” in those days. Plus the the gold fields were rich in gold at that time, and the British just love free money!).
Your mentioning of the RPFs use because of needed renovations/labor and the use of falsifying meter readings to identify and select candidates, unbelievably criminal!
clearlypissedoff said, “Compare that to the Hole or physical beatings by DM or running around a pole all day for months, or YEARS in the RPF. ”
Nope again. L Con was the first with trying to kill off someone (a person who arguably saved HIS life) by running them around the pole in the desert.
David Mayo was part of the group that got rid of us 3 in the beginning. He was later (after we left) made to run around a pole.
The first person to do the running program was me. Based reports from Vicki and DM to LRH that I was disaffected. I was extremely vocal about the lack of qualifications of the new execs DM was shipping into Int to support his take over. David Mayo had his wife Merril put me on an auditing program to undisaffect me. After completing the program of hours and hours of sec checking, David said I was no longer disaffected but could not guarantee I wouldn’t be disaffected in the future. LRH’s response to this was to have me report back to David Mayo who was to have me get out and run. After I ran for a couple weeks up and down the highway or around the property, LRH changed the program was changed to run around a tree, then a pole.
Your stories are amazing. Please include all these points in a book.
I recommend using LRH’s OEC and the Red Volumes, for jogging memory as to why things were written in those issues.
There is just countless unnamed people who are not referred to by name in policy and tech issues, and it would be so interesting to hear from the people who know WHAT LRH was talking about, since he was talking about people on his lines and their handlings.
You have some of the best stories, Janis, I hope you get them down somehow for history.
Yes Crepsulcule there were people declared way before, but we were the first declares in that era which then resulted in one of the biggest mass declares in history. Prior to this time period you could almost count all the declares on two hands. I also do understand the disconnection policies and how they were changed.
Correct. Before that it was massive RPF sentencing. In fact, that shower scene you mention in Lebanon Hall (Big Blue bldg), I was there around that time, might have just missed that time period. Two minutes showers with low flo never did get all the sweaty grime and dust from the pilot “running program” in Griffith Park. I don’t remember who the CMO young woman was I had told to get lost when she tried to sell me a Flag Order trumped a Policy. LOL I’ve endured a painful back and neck from that time particularly because I had a medical condition diagnosed as PTS by the Shaw Health Center Sci docs, Denk and Shields. I won’t address them as Dr. All that calcium from the Cal Mag doomed my physical condition especially when running around a pole five hours.
You know why they were sent to PAC as a WORSE punishment? The mental and physical torture and abuse that was going on at that time was vile and inhumane. By 1982 I’d already been labelled with the horrid “1st Dynamic Oriented” title (In Scientology it is demeaning humiliating debasement as 1st Dynamic refers to self). I would insist on staff getting training for their jobs, and even paid out of pocket food when Finance Committee just cut it one month. Just cut out food! for an already nutritionally starve, sleep deprived, mentally and physically wipe-the-floor-with-me state. I didn’t know until I think Chuck Beatty mentioned a few years ago that ASHO and PAC Estates were the most horrific sites of abuse at that time. When I found out what was going on with the children, I began piping up, and even called one of the LA Children/Family authorities when I got out. I wept with joy when I found out those nurseries and cadet orgs were abolished. I then screamed with horror when I found out year later the final solution ended up as coerced abortions. As an overview, yes, Miscavige’s reign of terror and abuse is Hubbard on steroids. Also, $6 Billion can buy you a lot of “get out of jail free” cards.
So yes, no massive declares except that one R2-45 time in March 1968 http://www.lisamcpherson.org/images/r2-45_small.jpg
Nope. There were plenty. Just one example: on 6 March 1968 L Ron Hubbard personally declared . . .
Peter Goodwin
Jim Stathis
Peter Night
Mrs Knight
Nora Goodwin
Ron Frost
Margaret Frost
Nina Collingwood
Freda Gaiman
Frank Manley
Mary Ann Taylor
George Wateridge
. . . to be Supressive Persons. That’s 12 people on just one day.
Correct Crepuscule. In ’82 I saw the multiple file cabinets in the IJC office where files of the Declared were kept. By that point LRH had declared or allowed to be declared, a huge swath of those who worked with him at St. Hill. I guess he was afraid of those hard working friends of his..
Mike,
I worked in Senior HCO Int 1984-1986, did some all-hands filing in Senior HCO Int’s files. IJC had his own file cabinets in his office for his present-time work, that is one of the most depressing jobs one could be given. I sat in the same office as IJC from 1984 til I was busted out of Senior HCO Int, and I twinned with IJC’s wife at that time. It is a sad sad life, IJC.
I loved the Senior HCO Int filing though, since it let me thumb through old Apollo vet people’s ethics/pers files (this is when the Ethics/Pers files were in the complex, in that room above the dining room, between main building of the complex and Leb Hall, with an entrance from Leb Hall side, that room later was vacated when the files moved to the HGB in 1988-89, when the HGB opened in May 1989, then I was back in the Int Training Room Course Room as Asst Admin Course sup under Lisa Frau/Hoden who then moved up to Gold).
I hate to bolster LRH, but what he wrote and ordered, when he ordered things reversed, when he corrected his own draconian mistakes, that at least did happen more during his time, than has happened during DM’s reign.
DM doesn’t have a soft bone in his body, he’s NOT the beingness for a religious leader, he’s just completely too vicious of a human being and unrepentent and Scientology suffers even more for that.
Under Hubbard, and what Scientology is like in the freezone, would the comparision to judge Scientology, but then again, promoting the freezone, to me today, is odd and wrong since they too don’t make OT superpeople who can soul-fly, but they as a group seem more decent with each other and just has a much fun with the tech as they possibly can, vs official Scientology’s mentality is more the full version of Hubbard’s mentality.
What a subject.
Lois’ history is the best history I’ve seen in years.
I look forward to Janis Grady and Terri Gamboa’s stories someday, those two, especially Terri, will have so much more to add to DM’s reign, up to about 1990.
Okay. Never heard of any of them and yes in the 60’s there was a period of declares. Right now there are more people declared than in, as far as I am concerned.
It begs the conceptual question of what really prompted KSW1. Was it just the loneliness of a dysfunctional but greedy leader loosing his marbles or heaven forbid, forgive me for phrasing this question this way, but did go PTS to his own technology? It really looks like he researched himself loony. I dunno, I’m just an observer of what people say who were around at that time and he really looks like he had no idea of the results of his meddling around with what was already profitable (he said it was workable as it was) and it was time to start trusting people. Even it it meant handing over control or portions of it. Guess not possible with Scientology hey? It a one man band, always has been.
This is absolutely correct. As an HCO “terminal” (Intelligence Operative) I learned first-hand that Disconnection is tightly woven into all if the 1965 “Ethics” policies.
The amazing thing is how few of us throughout history – being “social personalities” – ever took Disconnection literally or too seriously.
This would be all the evidence you’d need to demonstrate sociopathic intent behind the 1965 Ethics Codes. It took a sociopath like David Miscavige to come along and “slam in” LRH Policy.
“…Due to the fact that DM was now answerable to nobody, and began ordering people around and acting as though he was running things, Gale asked David Mayo (Snr CS International) to sec-check DM. DM refused and in fact tackled Gale and pushed her into filing cabinets. She knew immediately that her conclusions about what was going on were correct. She immediately tried to set-up a meeting with Pat Broeker, but this involved going to a certain pay phone booth in Riverside. She got in a car and went. But as she got to the phone booth, DM and his “gang” arrived and took a tire iron and destroyed the pay phone. They got Gale into the windowless van. There were 6 people, loyal to DM, and they accused her of mutiny and repeatedly berated her all the way back to Int….”
The other 6 people with loyal to DM, there side of things needs to be spelled out, for history.
Who were they, and why did they support DM?
To me, that climate of already people somehow loyal to DM, were they like Gary Conley, or Chris Guider, and Jesse Prince? There were some important allegiences to DM right at that horribly unfortunate power shift moment in history when the Apollo messengers got sort of sideswiped by DM and I think all that were with DM were “new” RTCers.
Was it Steve Marlowe, he has to be one. Gary Conley, I can only imagine he has to be one too. I don’t know, but was Jesse Prince among the ones that came with DM as he smashed that phone booth phone?
That sort of young man violence thing I can see.
Was Marty Rathbun of that group of 6 with DM.
These are important skeletons to the continuing tough guy, and it goes back to Kerry Gleason and it goes back to LRH and the “Toughness” Flag Order, and other references. in fact “Knowledge Reports” policy is alarming and it came out in 1982, talking about causing black eyes to other staff who are doing in their fellow staff, so LRH had written policy, and right around this time isn’t there some scathing LRH traffic about the Mission Holders mutiny.
How DM painted management’s failings at Flag in the Flag Bu and this is after Bill Franks was busted.
Oddly, I think Bill might have been both against the CMO messengers in some ways, but I don’t think he was on top of who was doing what, and I don’t know if Bill Franks and Kerry Gleason would have been on DM’s side, or were Bill Franks and Kerry already busted and out?
I think per David Mayo and the othets in Qual they were all trashed and busted by the summer?
There are so many personnel ups and downs in the summer and fall of 1982, and so much scathing LRH traffic, it is a nightmare scenario.
But were Marlowe, Gary Conley and Jesse Prince among the 6 at the telephone booth violence moment.
Was Marty in DM’s camp at that moment too? Was Norman Starkey there too?
I’m so curious who were the 6 in DM’s little loyal entourage, since at that moment, that seems to be his style starting for real, and he’s continued that entourage style ever since, and the whole history of those who were in DM’s entourage during DM’s waltzing around like cult boss, with his protection group, needs laying out.
Was Greg Wilhere in that group of 6 even then?
Was Lyman Spurlock one of those 6?
Read the Gang of Five account. In there it identifies: Janadiar, Yager, Ingber, Marlowe.
Sad. So Yager was one, and Ingber, never digested that info.
Thanks so much, will reread.
What a climate of change. Janadiar, wow.
I so wish someday to get all of LRH’s traffic laid out, week by week, and lay out all person’s memories, week by week, as this was jus the most tumultuous time 1981, really the whole final 10 years of LRH’s life I wish to heck we had all of the traffic, as a skeleton, to then add people’s ups and downs on their positions through the final years.
By late 1982 LRH was ordering into ASI matters by then also I believe, so DM had other things going on in his mind about who he was, thinking he was somehow to make sure ASI’s things happened, then the Int Base stuff.
The exact dates of the Int/S Mission, and the Spcl Pjt I/C traffic (DM), and then MAC stuff, and just that whole climate of related Gold traffic about cine and audio problems and “sabotage” this and “sabotage” scathing traffic from LRH on audio or cine lines, LRH had a lot of traffic even though it was less than years prior, still in 1982 the LRH total traffic (and through the summer of 1982 was INCOMM traffic), I think the RTC IG Cram Off and IG MAA traffic had come out.
Ingber had his traffic re “team share” cards ideas which were Ingber’s and not LRH’s so thankfully the team share system has had it’s ups and downs.
The pressure on everyone was unreal.
A very messy time.
Norman Starkey was also one of the major sidekicks to DM, along with Janadier, John Nelson, Steve Marlow, Yager, Ingber and surprisingly David Mayo who was the one who wrote the disgusting SP Declare on Dede.
So many people ought be free to write or be interviewed to fill in so many details.
David Mayo’s 20 page despatch, that is usch a doozie of an issue, so late in the game, he got his 20 pager in early 1982 I believe, and it advised him to think in terms of possibly having to set up shop apart from management, I guess LRH saw dire things happening like losing to the IRS and Scientology corporately having to fold.
So much of what happened, is so dependent on the LRH traffic, day by day, his back and forth, to the various units even in 1982 he was writing to.
INCOMM traffic was hot and heavy in the summer of 1982, Foster Tompkins getting these 14 pager despatches, whew, I read the INCOMM traffic in 1990 and was floored how it dovetailed to management long range fixup plans.
The story of LRH’s final 10 years is just so compartmented, even to you top people who were with LRH, he was still outputting to the big ongoing projects of even that time.
INCOMM
ASI
things for GO/OSA
CMO Int management stuff
Exec Strata a few things.
There was Snr C/S Int stuff
LRH ordered the Chaplain added to the ARC Break stuff and to the Refund Repayment Routing Form as late as August 1984, the order to revise the Refund Repayment Routing Form came to me since I was the routing form guy then.
I so wish CST’s copies of everything could be leaked, to do a day by day layout of LRH’s final writings, and THEN jog everyone’s memories of what their parts in all of it, was.
Your series is just the best so far for history Lois, just priceless good new history stuff!
And I totally forgot to mention all the traffic Marty was onto due to working on the legal stuff so hot and heavy that Marty toon on right at that time also.
ASI, Legal stuff, SU (Special Unit), morphing into ASI, INCOMM, Films, Music, LRH in the 1982-84 ASI traffic would cc ASI terminals).
I wish more people who got that traffic would get their history hats on and spell out what they did in response to LRH orders of that 1980s final years.
I mistook DM as simply being on his little guy high horse, but steely “iron fisted” valance. Little Napolean, I think his mom used to joke about DM.
He was just a hardass getting LRH’s orders done, and lording it over everyone trying to be the top pusher of others.
I agree with you, Chuck. A history of LRH’s comms would be so enlightening.
Lois or Mike, Who was CO CMO INT at the end of 1982 during that infamous Finance Police/Mission Holders debacle?
I believe it was John Nelson.
Thanks so much!
Also Vicki Azanaran. Marty Rathbun was not in that group and was still working for external comm when we left, so had no part of the original coup.
No way. Jesse Prince was onto David Miscavige pretty much from the get-go. Jesse Prince was actually ordered by L Ron Hubbard put David Miscavige through a sec chec. Jesse says Miscavige ended up begging for forgiveness while crying and sniveling like little baby. Wouldn’t surprise me if that was the last time David Miscavige ever picked up the hypno-cans.
By the time I left Jesse Prince was not at Int, he got there after I was there.
An important point when Dede was busted as CO CMO Int, was that the despatch assigning Gale as the new CO CMO Int to replace Dede, also assigned DM as Special Project Ops and he was moved out from CMO control and only reported to LRH and Pat. This is what gave him his power that he started taking out other long term messengers such as myself, then went after Mary Sue. So not only had he captured the only comm line to LRH, he had made sure he was given full control and power. Only DM and Pat know what lies DM reported through Pat to LRH to gain this confidence.
When Gale got removed after trying to get ahold of Pat to let him know DM was out of control, Pat never talked to Gale or anyone else to get the other side of the story and once again, only what DM reported resulted in the LRH order coming down removing Gale from CO CMO Int and later sending her, Dede and Lois to CW with their husbands. Just like the husbands, Lois was taken out as a connection by being married to Dede and Gale’s brother.
And as horribly unjust from a SCN “justice” point of view, I thank DM every day for getting our asses out of that effing nightmare. Life was so good outside – even if it meant starting your life from scratch at 30 years old.
I hope Pat fills in the holes some day but I don’t really hold out much hope.
Indirectly, he is responsible for Miscavige.
The results of that change include inumerable broken families, ruined lives and financial tragedies. I don’t think Pat Broeker could face up to that realization.
If he ever told his story and helped expose Miscavige, that would go a long way to making things right. I’m hoping he has a conscience.
Dear Janis,
The despatch assigning Gale as CO CMO Int, and assigning DM as Spcl Pjt Ops, was that AFTER ASI traffic was coming out?
I can see the problem they were all faced with.
You have LRH, the final authority to everything, the one who is the ultimate Issue Authority, and even in 1982 he still was getting LRH Order Compliance Reports from you guys at the top when you complied to any of his traffic or orders, correct?
And at some point, the final person, the top authority, the one who gets the most important CSWs for strategy approval, etc, I mean this discussion of WHO is the final authority to authorize various sector’s major strats and products, etc, the top decider role IS the power position.
When DM took over Spcl Pjt Ops, a list of the things he took over as the final approval person, and which things he would relay to LRH.
Like, I recall, for instance, the “Routing Forms How to Write One” policy letter, based on the 7 or so routing forms advices from LRH, was compiled by Phoebe. The final issue went throught whoever in Exec Strata (EEI) then whoever in CMO Int, then I suspect something like a compiled LRH issue would go through Ray Mitoff, then to RTC, and then to DM and then to Annie and Pat and I would be SO happy to hear did LRH see something like that compiled “Routing Forms, How to Write One” went up to LRH and had some kind of approval notation on it.
Something like LRH isssues, that LRH ordered, how late in 1980s did he approve them, or revised HCOPLs and HCOBs, since I recall things like the LRH COmm Series that Jane True was working on forever, finally got all approved.
And then other compilations happened before LRH died, all based on his final or still long uncomplied earlier issue compilation or revision orders of his.
That’d be traffic DM had to pass on to LRH.
The things I’d love to hear, are what things ended with DM, what were things that Pat and Annie and DM agreed that DM could be the final arbiter and decider over.
I know, by the way, that Marc Yager was given final authority on approving the routing forms I helped finish that project that had been going and all the hardest work was done already by the time I got there, but did my bit scrubbing the routing forms to be even more sparkly perfect, but DM ordered MY to approve the routing forms.
This is all so good, for this history to be laid out.
Thankyou for all your years of details Janis, you are my favorite, I wish you had taken DM up on that time he offered you his chair!!
Or that Jesse Prince had taken over – anybody but DM! lol
DM could have been a drunk somewhere in the Caribbean right now and maybe some of the good stuff that LRH worked on might still be available without the threats and criminality.
Ahhh, one can dream…
Oh Geezuz. Just so CRAZY!!!!
Just when you think you have heard the craziest and worst the cherch has to offer ……….. it gets worse!
Yo rock Lowie! I have a hunch that the infantry skirmishes are over and now the 16″ guns of the Missouri have been trained on twirpville (a village near Hemet).
Yo Dave,
How is your scrawny self doing this fine new year ….. good buddy?
Lois had walked a razor thin line since ’83, and even 25 years later the cult’s rage at her had not abated one bit. That is an amazing amount of anger to hold against one person.
I am beginning to view the volcano as the real symbol of Scientology, a bottomless pit constantly spewing.
Can’t wait to see the episode, Lois!
Yes, holding grudges like this church is obligated
to do is so very “mesty” (messy physically) and un-
spiritually and gives no relief but just stress, it is
bad for your constitution and easily causes ailments.
“easily causes ailments.” Again, we can dream about the little man and his pickled liver, etc.
Maybe somebody should deliver that version of OT V that was killing all those people. But that would be mean, wouldn’t it.
THIS … IS … AN … AMAZING … STORY!!!!!
Thanks for sharing. You capture the essence of the idiocy right here.
In a nutshell, Miscavige-style Scientology demands you give up your entire life, your friends lives, and your family’s lives, for Miscavige-style Scientology. Pretty simple and completely inhumane and crazy and abusive and evil.
In truth, Lois’ story is one of the most abusive things I’ve read about Scientology and I’ve read a great deal.
Thank you Mike for having the platform and energy to share this type of abuse.
“Power is assumed.” Not a bad insight by DM. He proved it true in the case of Scientology, too. I remember when I first went into the working world, I was told by a mentor that, “responsibility is for the taking, not for the giving.” But in most real world situations, there are checks and balances on power. Somehow DM managed to eliminate all checks and balances.
Not quite all of them HGC. The final ones have left the launchpad and are en route to Dave’s place.
The only phrase likely to be heard from the desert these days is “INCOMING”.
Far be it for me to talk up DM’s accomplishments, but he took total control of a large, complex organization, over many rivals, in his early 20’s, with no formal education in management, administration or anything else, and has cemented and maintained this absolute control for 30 years. Within the context of the continuing existence of this organization, there is no threat to his control. The incoming missiles you reference are the destruction of Scientology, and that’s the only way DM will be retired from his position of prominence (and let it come soon!). I could be wrong about that, but if past is prologue…
” The incoming missiles you reference are the destruction of Scientology, and that’s the only way DM will be retired from his position……”
Yes, exactly what I was referring to HGC. The shitty little rat is going down and it will most likely come from foot bullets which He has an ample supply of. The remainder will come from the rest of us by exposing the toxic brew the cult spews forth.
He will go out most likely as the severely wounded animal He is. Much gnashing of teeth, snarling and attempts to bite anyone in His proximity.
@hgc10 I think people like DM are born that way. Education is not a factor. The combination of cunning and evil and drive is an unholy one.
nomnom, yeah, makes sense. It’s not hard to imagine that he’s naturally inclined to behave the way he has. Combine that with the chance break that he found himself in Scientology, at an executive level, at the moment that Hubbard was stepping away from day-to-day control, and you have the perfect storm. But I do wonder what would have become of him if he somehow got a college degree and found himself as a salesman at IBM. Would his talents for organizational maneuvering have met similar success? Scary thought.