A report from two Special Correspondents about the goings-on [or lack thereof] at the Pasadena “Ideal Org” with pix.
Mad Hatter Studios called the OT Committee into the Pasadena “Ideal” Org for a shoot to “prove” the Org was booming. Well, Cheshire Cat Studios decided we needed to see for ourselves. We posted in the pub across the alley from the Org at 5:50PM on a Friday evening to catch the public leaving after course. Then had a leisurely dinner with a glass of wine as we waited for the 7:00 rush. It was an interesting wait.
We could see clearly down the corridor that runs between the parking lot and the alley. All public would need to come in from one of three directions but cross the corridor to get to the elevators and stairs to courses or the HGC on upper floors. We counted 4 public leaving just after 6:00 and 6 public arriving before 7:00 (actually one was late!) But the fascinating thing is we counted around 15-20 staff. And most of them appeared to be Sea Org (white shirt, dark tie, dark pants and key ring. Maybe 5 looked like regular staff.
What to make of that? The only conclusion we could come to was that it is so important for the Org to remain open and look viable that the Sea Org must be bussing their people in to keep the Org manned. Wow!
So booming? Ahhh…no.
Lonely TV screens playing to nobody in the FART Div 6
Now, THAT’S A BOOMING ORG! And right in the heart of the largest Scientology community in the world.
Straight up and vertical just does not do this multi-million dollar shrine to the worship of MEST justice. He is going to have to come up with a new phrase to get the concept across.
I was on staff at the Pasadena Ideal Org since its opening in July 2010 (until last year) and I can tell you from first-hand knowledge that what was observed by Mike’s “Special Correspondents” is the norm for this org. At best, there were only an average of 100 “bodies in the shop” on a weekly basis, which averages about 15 people per day. And there were usually no more than twenty staff present at any one time – half of which were S.O. So, to see only a handfull coming or going at breaks sounds about right. Let’s not mention actual productions stats!
Shawn. I know this post is old but are you there?? I have some questions i really need to ask you in reference to WH at the Atl org.
Thank you in advance
To Chris Mann,
Ditto on the “three swings F/N problem”!!!
I experienced the EXACT same thing. Auditors not calling F/N’s and sitting there, watching the meter for that needle to do the three swing movement. DUH!
As a result, auditing became a source of literal torture to me. I was getting worse, even physically ill. I had migraine headaches weekly and ended up with pneumonia, sick for almost 2 months. I had a lot of time to think lying in bed for weeks and spotted an evil in my life. THE CoS!
I stopped getting any more auditing in the CoS and guess what? My health improved and I haven’t been sick for over 6 years now. I’ve had maybe 2 colds for 3 days at a time. I didn’t only stop auditing but training too. The place became suppressive to me and I didn’t want to be a part of it.
I’ve gone through a lot personally from this experience and it took me a while to come out the other side. I have now and hope others will too.
If anyone out there is not getting help from their auditing, don’t waste your time originating anything to the DoP or CS. They will only tell you to “keep going”. That was the only answer I ever got and I was making originations left and right to NO avail.
Pepper, what a story. And how very aware of you to spot that you were PTS to the church. Most people would censure that thought as soon as it came to them. VWD to you. And you’re right to tell those in not to waste their time making originations to the D of P or CS. It’s always, well you should have bought more intensives…. in Ron’s day he didn’t do that sort of shit and he tried to give you relief in the first intensive or first few sessions.
Right before Pasadena Ideal Org opened, there was a huge protest outside on Colorado Blvd., courtesy of Anonymous. It was a pretty large group that day. Some wore masks, most not. They held huge signs on Colorado clearly stating all the outpoints of the CoS. So many cars were honking their horns in support. It was a total ruckus but actually kind of funny.
I happened to be walking in Old Town that day with my teenage daughter and I could see her interest piqued. There was a young boy walking in front of us, about 12 years old and he says out loud to his Mom, “Look, it’s about Scientology – I hate Scientology”. His Mom shushed him.
Public members from the area were recruited to work as staff and unfortunately, their teenage kids either in high school or just out. What a waste of time and life. Almost all the kids I’ve known who’ve joined staff leave as soon as their contract is up, GLAD to get out! Most of them go offlines afterwards as well and I know from my daughter they read up on the internet.
Pasadena Org is dead. I go to Old Town all the time and never see any activity going on in that org and am told by publc scientologists as well that it’s DEAD.
Got it Chrismann,
I feel the same way about people in the Church. It is just a sad situation.
I had a similar auditing experience to yours and have also had some good auditing in the indie field myself since then.
It is shameful how many people have been ruined financially and spiritually in the name of Scientology with by money-motivation and Mi$cavige’s “three-swing tech”.
But I still have hope that many more people will stand back, look at what is going on, and compare what they observe with what they have read and know of the Tech.
This was a response to Espiritu’s post.
I get all the viewpoints on this thing. I think I even understand and somewhat sympathize with David Miscavige. If I went back to my org I wouldnt have any hatred for people who disconnected from me and everything else. I just couldnt afford it, all the donations. I wouldnt want any auditing because I know how messed up it is in orgs. The way the training is I would probably be getting in major disagreements with the sups and others. I’m not sure what I would do there. Maybe go to an event? I don’t know. At this point I dont have any animosity towards orgs, staff or Scientology in general as a subject. I think the most harmful thing about it is how they are draining money from people. I know people who have donated their retirement, sold their houses, cleaned out their bank accounts, have $100,000 in credit card debt. Successful businessmen who drive broken down cars and live like poor so they can donate everything to the IAS. All the attention and time and money given by these people and for what? In the end it turns out it’s a bunch of smoke and mirrors.
And I just want to add that I am getting auditing in the independent field and it is good. I really like the auditing, but it’s not something you can get in the church. The last thing I did while in the Church was two sec-checks, back to back. I bought a package of intensives and thought I was going to get on my next bridge step. Nope. I did the first one- had a few wins I guess. Cleaned up a few things, but then I think we ran into that three swing FN problem and the auditor kept bypassing FN’s. Then I finished that one and the auditor pulled out another one. I was so pissed. I cant even describe the feeling. I knew it was wrong. The CS replied with an “R-Factor” of “Some people need more sec-checks” or something like that. It was brutal.
None of it matters really. You have an environment where commission-based donation sharks are continually at your throat; you just want to get the hell away from all that BS as far as possible, move, change phone numbers, etc. so who cares where you study your course.
“And echo, the sounds of silence” Simon & Garfunkel
The first time I entered a classroom at LA Org, as a student back in 1973, there was about 50-60 people crammed into a small room. It hummed. It was alive. When the little catering truck appeared at 8:45 pm we all huddled around a cup of coffee and talked about our wins and the future of Scientology. I worked very hard for 10 years while on staff, doing what I thought was vital to give SCN a chance to succeed. I earned $5 to $10 a week, and deferred a lot of living so that things could work out. Seeing what, $20 million tied up into Pasadena Org and seeing the lights dimmed and everyone staying away – man that hurts.
So much could have happened in the last 30 years. No, I don’t think we need worry about DM’s demise or anything like it. Karma is a bitch and thankfully so.
I was at LA Org in the Spring of 1973. I can totally confirm. It was a large house on 9th St, with some extra buildings. VERY PACKED! My friend was the typist nights and weekends. He typed the letter reg’s letters and was paid 10 cents per letter. He finally got busted because he was making more than the ED.
Damn, this is starting to be like some sort of homecoming. I was also at LA org in 1973. I was doing the old Comm Course in that time. You guys remember it like I do. The place was packed to the gills every night. I remember that half the academy students were set up with tables and chairs in the parking lot. C.C was around the corner on 8th Street, and was similarly packed. No one gave a flying rip about the MEST. That place was THETA.
I was at CC doing the PRD & Ministers Course at that time. The building was old & shabby, kind of hip, rather aesthetic &, as you say, packed. Many excited, eager people around, including some celebs, who I don’t think cared about the worn, second-hand MEST.
Ronnie, that is exactly as I remember it. I used to go over to CC for events in 1973, and it was like Sunset Blvd on a Saturday night. Music, a few hundred people, talking, laughing, excited about a future that they were busily creating. It was fun. Then Yvonne died. The lightness faded. The allure of stats took hold like crack to an addict. LA Org’s hustle was redirected to big dollars, bad deals and bounced checks and that brief moment was gone too.
Funny… when I look back at, I recall feeling sadness at how things had changed. It reminded me of 1971 when Hendrix, Jim Morrison and Janis Joplin all died. Like someone slammed the door.
But I refuse to leave it at that. That affluence of theta and creativity can be recreated again. I am certain of it.
Empty Idle Orgs, empty pockets, empty future…all because some others believed the lies their ‘leader’ told them. Ah, intelligence-IQ=also empty.
I couldn’t stop laughing my ass off as I read this post. Why? Because I too was checking out the Pasadena Org at the same time on Friday night and saw the same thing! What a co-incidence!
I didn’t even notice the “Cheshire Cat Studio” crew in the pub (well done, guys) and I’m glad I wasn’t in the pictures because I’m still under the radar. I had flown into town for the weekend to visit friends and on the spur of the moment decided to check out that org. Too funny! I too noticed the completely empty reception area and lots of furniture but no people.
On a side note, around a year ago I actually got a little tour of the premises. I must say that the MEST was very “nice”. However, comparing what I observed with this report, apparently their stats are flat at best. As I recall at that time there were 6 people total in all of the course rooms. All were studying basic books. There were no course packs or drilling or e-meters in sight. There were two state-of-the-art saunas with no one in them and no one scheduled. There was a beautiful HGC area with only two pcs scheduled… for the following week-end. And yes Dave, I did notice these things. After all, they are org indicators. Inspection complete! 🙂 On top of everything else, these observations were made at the end of the week right before the weekly Thursday stat push!
So, after evaluating and comparing these two reports:
“Straight Up and Vertical?” …Uh, NO.
Straight Sideways and Horizontal”? …At best.
Spinning around in a Dwindling Spiral”? …Sure looks that way.
Waiting with baited breath to see if Miss Cabbage no shows at the Fraud Scam Base Graduation…..If he offed himself…(we can postulate and dream) what do you think would happen to Scientology? If they offered “amnesty” and “free auditing” – would you go back?
About 8 months ago I met a friend at that little pub, Lucky Baldwin’s, at 7pm on a Thursday. I had parked a few blocks down Raymond, looking for a parking space, and thought the walk would be fun and I could look around the neighborhood. It was pretty nice. I walked and walked, came upon the pub and met my friend.
Little did I know that I had just walked by the Pasadena org just before I arrived at the pub. I was even looking around to see what was there. It was so non-descript that nothing caught my eye. It was pretty dark, no noticable signs, no lighting, nothing in those big windows to catch my eye. I only found out about the address of this org months later on this blog. I was curious, looked it up, and found that I had walked right by it.
There ya go. I bet the staff in there are scared and withdrawn from the public. I think they know they are thought of as some kind of strange bacteria. Possibly the sea org staff were there to force them to get things done. I doubt they would even be able to comfortably talk to someone just wandering in. What a mess.
They’ve probably been told that they’re the ONLY failing Ideal Org, and why can’t they make it go right?
An OT 8 who was leaned on heavy for money for the Pasadena Ideal org
called me that he was losing his home because of being over extended financially. Another OT 8 in the same area simply packed up and moved to near the Canadian border.
( like a middle of the night thing)
I was in a movie shoot at Flag to make believe an HGC was full of public. We pretended to be excited and talking to one another by moving our mouths as if we were talking.and occasionally nodding in approval. I got a commendation in my Ethics folder for that.Otherwise this HGC was empty all of the time as in NEVER USED.
It was all about money and never service.Flag staff were happy when they got lots of money for no service.Flagstaff were sad,even crushed if somehow you got service or had a win that a huge toll had not been extracted for.
Thanks for this reply to Chris’s post, Mike. If you had not done so it is possible that a person reading this blog for the first time who did not know Chris might think he was a “cool aid drinker” because he captured the mind-set of people who are still wearing blinders and making excuses for Mi$cavige to perfection.
Miscavige understands that the the DVDs and data panels might not interactive enough, and he has a plan!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV2N4KSh3x4
died before his Time
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?33544-Another-OT-and-Big-Donor-Whale-Passes-On
What a sad, pathetic way to live. It would be really interesting to see what would happen if he had to go out in the real world and actually live – get a job, buy a home, cook, pay bills, deal with people, etc. I don’t think it would end well . . . but I’d love to watch.
History shows you all the smart thinking self-determined individuals have disconnected from Miscavige. Including his family. He is truly a madman on the loose with money and attorneys now thats American!!!
a madman on the loose with money and attorneys now thats American!!!
No need to dump on my country, bro.
“I sent squirrel busters down to Texas, yeah i took a little risk,
figured lawyers, guns and money will get me out of this.”
You will get your chance soon enough!
We ought to take a poll on what date (if any) the SP building will open…….or when the IAS event will happen!
Would it surprise anyone if Gagamel Misgavige took his own life? Even the most arrogant and clueless have a breaking point. If history tells us anything, it’s that many of the cowards at the top of these cults often just wake up one morning and brush their teeth with a loaded 12-gauge.
It would surprise me enormously.
If all crumbles he will still have acces to a lot of cash
His life sounds absolutely MISERABLE. Having said that, I suppose he has never known anything different and his ignorance knows no bounds. That coupled with the fact that he’s clearly a sociopath.
Under the right circumstances it wouldn’t surprise me if he killed himself. Just like Hitler, if he were surrounded, and there was no way out, it was prison or death, I think he’d choose prison so as to not have to eat food of the peons instead of food of the Gods, and there are no tanning beds in prison, no motorcycles, no Italian leather shoes and clothing from France, and there is no Tom Cruise to fight off all the would-be man lovers to protect Davie. Under those circumstances, I could see him doing it.
Just like the warden in Shawshank Redemption!!!!
They would probably let him keep his thong though. The fellows might find it rather interesting……….. “Hey man……what’s that thing for?”
Oops, misprint. I meant to say above that DM would choose “death” over prison in those circumstances.
Jane Doe is funny. Although I have to correct you on one thing . . . if there is a HELL, his tan will develop nicely. I hear it’s balmy down there, lots of rays to catch. But seriously, I find the guy fascinating. Not in a good way, but in a “what world does this guy live in” sort of way. I wonder if he has any friends. I mean REAL FRIENDS. Does anyone actually care about this guy? Mike?
No, he has no friends. There are people that THINK he is their friend, or perhaps HOPE he is their friend. But the minute they run out of money or become a convenient scapegoat for some screw up he has been involved in, they then become nobodies/enemies. Even his own family dislikes him.
Mike, one of our Clearwater “spies” over on The Bunker overheard something today that might interest you:
http://tonyortega.org/2013/10/18/scientology-drug-rehab-troubling-new-evidence-in-the-disturbing-case-of-richard-teague/#comment-1087446557
I’m assuming “Something” means $$$$???
We’re all on pins and needles over there, wondering if Davey will show his face at Graduation tonight. Hope you’ll have some intel!
Business Opportunity: This would be an opportune time for someone to design and market the “Where’s Davey?” boardgame.
Have a nice weekend.
Mike, here is a stat comparison for you. Right now, from right here in Pasadena, I am currently training 6 Solo auditors in the Indie Field, every day.
One is on Solo I and the rest are on the Solo NOTS training.
We don’t need no stinkin’ massive bricks, mortar, IAS regges or SO Management!
Note: I was staff at Pasadena for over 25 years, and was NEVER able to train auditors like this, due to all the distractions, arbitraries, event call-in, urgent management programs, etc.
Click on my name to see the most recent success story.
Good for you Randy! (And those you are helping….)
Way to go Randy! You are putting out more Solo Auditors than any of the Idle Orgs combined. And you’re doing it the right way with standard tech in its unaltered form.
Right on, Randy! Proof positive that the Indie field is kicking butt on the Cof$.
Thanks, Mike, Jane Doe and Ronnie for your kind comments. I am having a blast doing it, too!
If the Sea Org is now running the Class V orgs… well, it won’t be long now. The org staff was always a buffer to the paying org public. The Org staff knew that the Sea Org guys would be way Out – R to the public and so never exposed the public to Sea Org Crazy.
With the Sea Org running the orgs, the stats will only crash faster and more org staff will leave quicker. That kind of fanaticism really turns people off. Hip Hip Hooooray!
DM has obviously given up on trying to get anyone in for services and given up on delivering Scientology.
He has changed the CoS business model.
Today, that model is to get clubbed seals in for events, then sell them a worthless “status.” Follow up by going to their homes and regging them for more. Keep regging them until there is (A) nothing left, (B) they blow off lines for good or (C) go Indie. And I think this is really no joke. The actually do intend to suck out every single last penny-drop-of-blood money and cast off the empty husk and look for more. This “solves everything” for the cob. The org board is reduced to two posts: Call in, and IAS registrars. Public (cannon fodder) are used for everything else by actual observation. They handle OSA, Ideal Org fund raising, etc. Compliant, brainwashed, in-a-permanent-psychotic-break Int staff become the Executive Directors or Commanding Officer.
Don’t need Div 6 staff. Don’t need Qual. Don’t need auditors or supervisors. Don’t need Treasury (surely FBOs handle the cash). Don’t need HCOs. Don’t need too many executives either. Don’t need stats. Someone has to clean the building (probably all hands). That’s it. No public in the org? Who cares? How many staff come in for call in — that’s important. Plus number of confirms and income. Get people in for the next event, crush reg ’em, repeat.
Simplicity itself.
So right Thoughful. Locally I was referring it to “the second economy” of C of S. The ‘first economy was selling service and delivering it, making auditors and auditing PCs.
The “second economy” is as above.
A “new business model” works just fine too!
Steve you are so right. They are doing it on purpose
Exactly
Laser like motive scanning of the ‘mind’ of miscarriage, as usual, Steve! Speaking of which, there has been a corresponding increase of ‘hackers’ (not computer based,) responding to the miscarriage non-stop bragging of “straight up & vertical explosive growth of planetary expansion, etc,etc…” This, of course, has attracted some unwanted (by DM) attention, much to his considerable agitation.
Here, the ‘hackers’ are mostly of a more traditional variety. You know, when a ‘woodsman’ hears of some great lofty lumber source, topping out into the clouds, above the forest, he pulls out his favorite axe, (chainsaw, these days!) and heads down to the site.
The ‘hackers’, in this case, are something else entirely! These boys,(and girls) have a single minded purpose and are united thereto:
To topple the artificially elevated Runtus Miscarriagus, an experimentation of GM (Genetic Modification) gone horribly wrong! Using strains of Al Capponus, infused with Napoleonus Boneheadus, with Adolf Shicklegruwer sap and 180 degree reversal Hubbardus Rantus
Explosivus, which combined, has produced the most foul smelling, alien take over ever seen, of formerly integrated, organic growth, in the spiritually progressive Scientologus Species planetary habitat
So, ahem! To all the ‘hackers’ out there, (including you Steve, ) Enjoy the ‘hackfest’
Calvin.
Thoughtful hope you are doing great,
I’ve looked at the C of $ business model and my computer
went down to the Road House Bar got stinking drunk
got in a fight with Biker Gang. Sheriff called me at 4 am to
come bail him out of jail before he was ass raped.
by psychopath’s who were busted for selling crack.
My computer is on lock down for a long time now,
no more C of $ business models .
A big attraction for me was all the cool people I met when I started, many many years ago. Intelligent, literate, creative, purpose-filled people. I would not have joined an empty building with video screens instead of people. Who would?
Somewhat off-topic, another example of the “emptiness” of Corporate Scientology. On PR Web where they post their press releases, the big news is “Church of Scientology of Rome Releases New Borchure”……….lolololololol
Mike, in a few weeks, I’ll be paying a visit to the Pasadena Idle Morgue. I’ve gone in there a couple of times in the last few years and the staff is ALWAYS different. I’m assuming they don’t have classes during the day. Would that be correct? I’ll post what I see.
OSD — they SHOULD have classes during the day, but no doubt the place will be like a morgue….
Can you imagine an event where the true condition of the Ideal Orgs were shown to the public? Instead of all the false exploding rockets of incredible expansion, they showed the true stats??? Four to five people on course. Sky rocketing legal cases and bad pr. Ideal Orgs sitting empty and if they showed the staff pay across the planet? $10 dollars a week sometimes if they are lucky? Where a $100 paycheck is an incredible affluence!! Having to regg the public to help pay the utilities!! Just think if the public ever got the truth at an event. Instead of having management that shows the truth , Scientology has a group of liars that PR their way out of trouble and ride their lies to the grave, taking any suckers who want to go down with them.
So True Tony.
What you say puts the scene into sharp relief. It tells the whole story right there. It they told it like it is, it would implode. So I assume, the lies are ‘essential’ for their very survival.
DM is such a piss-poor exec is hurts. Not a clue.
Any logical person will tell you, as LRH tells him, demand determines the organizational size.
If you skew these two balancing factors you get what we see above.
Amazing.
Its the Golden Era of Insanity thats for damn sure.
Miscavige is worth $50 million???? – this information makes me sick to my stomach. David Miscavige needs to go to jail once and for all!! What a criminal crook that commits crimes covertly! Those poor Sea Org and staffer’s – if they only knew….
I dont think he has $50 million….
Mike, how much do you think Miscavage has in terms of money?
You got me on how much David Miscavige net worth is.
I don’t think he knows what money is, Honestly.
Could be millions or billlons but if you are .so out of it WTF ?
Most dictators have tons of money that they never live to spend
even a fraction of. Its a Moot point.
that 50 million figure may not be accurate. who knows what kind and how thorough their research is. however he has been in charge for close to 30 years. depending if he has drawn a salary, how much that has been and how he’s personally invested it, he just might personally have tens of millions, because you know he’s never had to pay a thin dime out of his own pocket for any living expenses or perks. any amount he’s ever drawn has likely stayed in his pocket. 100k a year for 27 years is 2.7 million right there.
I had the same reaction Idle Morgue, what a disgusting display of greed and criminality this guy represents. I’d love to see this money seized and put in trust for SO health and welfare. He’s like one of these pampered mini dogs you see with a crown on their head wearing a tutu. He wouldn’t last a week on the back lines at flag. A class action lawsuit by ex and current SO would be so appropriate.
At least a dog in a tutu is cute.
The greed is sickening.
I’m a little embarrassed to admit that I actually donated money to that building, money I could have spent elsewhere. At least I can take solace knowing my money didn’t go to total waste, I wouldn’t get emails like this showing an opulent, over the top building, with very few people for my morning entertainment.
I guess one can take some heart in knowing since this beauty building is empty of any life that the carpets will stay clean and the chrome throughout will stay free of dirty human fingerprints.
Mad Hatter Studios has a small office at the Point Dume Village Center where the Malibu Mission retreated to before it disappeared. There must be a black hole of sorts at that location.
The Pasadena Org was empty even before they moved into the Ideal Org Building. I took a couple of courses there in 08 or 09 with my wife when Mary Dolan was the ED. The place was dead! Often my wife and I were the only public on any course and there were few staff.
When the org moved into the new building, all of a sudden there were a lot of people but, they were public from LA and Hollywood. OTs and SO staff members helping move the org. The place looked busy at that time but none of those bodies were on courses or getting auditing. When they did the Gala opening they had a large audience which the Church took pictures of and videoed but once the Gala was over everyone went home and the Ideal Org is dead.
In this golden era of everything, where is the Golden Rod for Miscavige?
on his nightstand
In the Chamber Pot?
When Tommy & Jessica Davis were doing a campaign of getting all my friends in LA back in good standing they had one of them get a tour of the Pasadena org about 6 months after it opened.
His family took him through the empty org an he said there was one public in the entire org the day he went. In the org most of the staff were on call-in for an IAS event and there was a single lone person in one of the many course rooms. The progress boards were empty. The clay was still in the plastic since the day it was bought.
Anyway, after the tour, he was sold! He never went back and has been happy ever since!
result achieved
on an unrelated note. i think miscavige must have the world record for the most nicknames.
its too funny. I literately read a new one just about everyday.
the dwarf
the midget
the munchkin
missbitch
misscabbage
mismanage
and the list goes on and on………
another note: http://www.celebritynetworth.com/view/en/david_miscavige/
lists miscavige’s net worth at 50 million dollars…….. there is a link on that page that points to an article on him but the article is missing. although an article on the richest scientologists is still there.
Wow – I figured that was one org that may have been doing half-way decent considering the excellent location they have. Very busy, lots of foot traffic, restaurants, etc.
I think the PR is SO BAD, that anyone with half a brain stays as far away from SCN as possible.
What’s amazing is the kool-aid drinkers think DM saved SCN and has it taking over the world. If they only had a clue how he has decimated its reputation.
Like LRH says, it’s a PR world and if your PR stinks, well…..
If they can’t get traffic in the Pas Org which is located in a very busy part of Pas and on the w/e’s it is packed with foot traffic, if that can’t reflect numbers of new people in, what in the world will the Valley Org do in its bad location? If they shut down Valley Org now, they could cut their losses.
Anyone know how Orange County Org is doing? Any OC Indies who can do a correspondent report on OC Org?
Jane Doe. Too far away JD can’t help for OC.
Does anyone know how Pretoria Ideal Org is doing since it opened?
My intel on OCO is that it is as empty as Calico. Pretty much a Ghost Org. Another land locked Flying Dutchman brought to you by SO meddling.
My suggestion is that if you get past what we call the “Orange Curtain” skip the org and go to Disney Land.
Yes, good advice… If you make it through the Orange Crush (freeway), skip the Orange Org and go to Disneyland instead… after all, “anything which raises tone level is valid processing” per the Old Man.
You mean the one in Hemet ? Check out the new ride called Bash Your Buddy in the Hole. DM is selling tickets now……………
Well, GATII hasnt been released yet. And how do you expect Orgs to deliver without having that thing that will put planetary clearing within reach.
Everything will change when COB announces the new releases. You guys are just SP’s spreading entheta.
GATII is the missing piece of the puzzle. I’ll bet that some SP altered the Tech and GATII is COB making it right. How can we get new people in if KSW is out? I thank god every day for COB.
Unfortunately, this is how those that remain inside think. You have captured it perfectly Chris.
And after GAG II keeps driving things into the ground, there will be another “next big thing that COB has PERSONALLY worked on because he is so dedicated to our well-being….”
The question is only “how long will the faithful keep believing in spite of all evidence to the contrary”. Who knows. But for sure there are virtually no NEW people being added to the equation. If they don’t read the media or the internet and can make their way through the FART Div 6 and the regging for everything from staff to the IAS before they even get on a service, the few that struggle through the gauntlet will then be confronted by robot “auditors” with 3 swing “tech” and no results.
It’s a sandcastle being eroded by the incoming tide.
GAGII only means that Dave has finally altered things to absolute unworkability to secure the demise of the church while he fades into blackness with a pile of money.
That appears to have been the plan all along. And after the C of S is dead, mop up the indie field.
There is only one appropriate response to this — GAG! (cough, gag!!)
The “altered things to absolute unworkability” has already happened.
Yep.
Its called the REVERSE MIDAS TOUCH
All the Gold David Miscavige touches turns to cardboard
Don’t get your hopes up for D.M.s 50 programs he had to do himself !
For lack of better words this is Blue on Blue “Hari Kuri”
Now thats what I call making a postulate stick. You ever notice how when you get promo for these places they are pictures of an empty building with brand new furniture and stuff, never any people in the pictures, yet the entire subject of Scientology has to do with people and life. This place looks like the promo piece. Funny how delivering Scientology doesnt actually require any sort of building at all. I have delivered auditing outside, in subways, in the backs of restaurants. The auditing room I had in ASI was a 5×5 cubicle and of course I was always busy.
My ‘hackles rose’ at those pictures. Reflecting on that reaction I realized it had to do with the repeating dark verticals…prison bars my subconscious said.
Mike,
I remember reading a biography of Adolph Hitler by John Tolland which had pictures of der Führer’s architectural designs which were totally void of people.
As I remember Tolland himself commented on this strange omission.
Anyhoo.
Fast forward to this whole Ideal Org scam and the pictures published in the International Management rags are pretty much the same except for the fact that they are in color and are CAD generated.
Monsterous structures totally void of any life.
I sorta got the impression that the artist presenting these lifeless edifices had the concept that “here is a reich er…I mean a religion that would last a thousand years” or whatever.
Also I got the impression that there was the added concept by the artist to keep these places pristine untouched by grubby humanity as some kind of monument.
Well ya know what they say:
“Be careful what you wish for.”
Anyhoo.
Like you Mike.
I remember Orgs as cramped crowded places sorta jury rigged together to be somewhat functional full of Staff, PCs and Students and always having to fight to get a tape machine or an auditing room when I did the BC at ASHO.
Then when I was auditing in the AO HGC the PC/PreOT waiting area got so crowded Tech Services had to run out to Goodwill to buy a couple of couches and a bunch of chairs and stick ’em in the hallway to handle the overflow.
I mean the place looked like a welfare office on check day every day!
Seems they’ve solved that problem 😉
remote; that is so rich, and totally accurate. that’s just how I recall the good times, too.
turning sideways to pass traffic in the hallways, crammed together, books piled high, waiting for reference books/packs to be re-shelved. throngs of people pouring out on breaks for a snack or smoke or conversations. this was, in my observation due to one thing and one thing alone; delivery. people paid and got delivered what they asked for. brilliant concept. oh yeah, and lest I forget, running out of toilet paper and soap in the bathrooms
Yeah the toilet paper and soap thing.
Remember some people used to bring their own, KRC ?
Like the old joke:
“What’s the difference between a Mission and an Org?
A Mission has toilet paper in the rest rooms.” 😉
Mike,
As Mike R. says, it’s Miscavige’s “Neutron Bomb” strategy. Kill all the people but leave the buildings intact.
“Now THAT’S Clearing the Planet! (thunderous applause)
Scott, your comment was hilarious! But sadly true.
I observed Sacramento Org three months ago…exactly the same…same decor, no bodies, a few SO staff, no public, no delivery, staff looking dead.
As an aside: DM is MEST which is why he adores it and detests theta so.
This Idle Org has been devoid of public since it opened. I drive by fairly regularly and most times there is no one visible excepting for a guard or two outside with an occasional staff member inside. I have never seen public entering or exiting the building going to course or leaving for lunch or dinner.
All that money from the field, sitting empty, years in the regging and planning, all the hype about the new building. I used to get calls about it from the E.D.and how grand it was going to be. Well, it is grand, as a building. Great plan, No people.
How do you feel about it now, with your crushing rent? Have you figured out that this off-policy action, the tech alterations and the years of bad press exposing the abuses within and without the church may be a small part of the reason your beautiful building sits empty just a few blocks from one of the busiest areas in Pasadena for foot traffic?
Who’s plan was this by the way?
If it was any closer to the busiest section in Pasadena, it would be in the middle of an intersection! I did the Purif at the previous Pasadena Org, in a rented building a couple of miles down the road. It was small, old and hadn’t seen a new coat of paint in a while — But it matched the productivity of that group. It fit. And it was busier than this place.
This new building, and the whole Ideal Org Program, is the religious equivalent of a Ford Edsel. Poorly planned, poorly designed and totally unwanted. Check off the next box on The Mad Midget’s Checklist of Doom.
Yep, Tim-S hit the nail on the head. I live in the neighborhood and walk past the org 5-6 times a week. I’ve never seen more than two people in there at a time, both staff. The walkway that leads through the lobby, which I think is meant to attract foot traffic – always considerable in old town Pasadena – is also always empty. I go out of my way to avoid walking through the org even though it is a short cut of sorts.
One thing I do have to say though, the decorators did a great job. Cost a pretty penny I’m sure.
Can we have a comment from the Jensens? The top contributors of this empty castle that supposedly saves this neighborhood. Money not well spent. Money that could have built or renovated schools instead. That would have served the community.
Right on. Like exchanging dollars for pennies. Who’s the winner here?
After the judges in the Netherlands did something unexpected
http://tonyortega.org/2013/10/17/day-after-french-defeat-scientology-handed-a-friendly-verdict-from-the-dutch/
I hope that will be the EP of that one too like in Pasadena
though on the bright side, with that many public they can at least field a softball team.
I have a friend who lives near the Seattle Org and he describes it to me pretty much like the Pasadena Org. Straight down and vertical. Way to go mismanage.
+1 Tony. It’s such a betrayal of those who have given so generously to a have a decent place for Scn to thrive. Using the Garcia’s as an example of fraudulent fundraising, I’d like to see the generous donors of individual orgs, come together and sue for the ownership of the building they purchased. Then use it as an independent center like the org in Haifa, Israel. I believe the monopoly is already broken and results will sort out the rest.
Hallie Jane, that is a brilliant idea you have here. Yes, let’s do it. Get an org that the public paid for to sue for ownership of it, get it out of DM’s hands, and then use the org to do good works: tutor kids, or deliver Indie auditing and courses by the original LRH references, or a halfway house for battered women and kids, no end to good uses it could be put to.
Jane, I think you have hit on a combination that has a snowball’s chance to actually make an indie org viable, even in today’s virulently hostile climate, and even with all the shortcomings and traps that many of us now see in the system we all once revered.
Tutoring and auditing would go together superbly, and together could conceivably keep the rent, bills, and staff paid. Of course in one of those huge morgues it would take more businesses as well, but it would be a great gathering place for volunteers and for charitable grops to have offices. I don’t see why the rent couldn’t get paid.
Whether or not Study Tech is all LRH claimed, I think that scientologists, when intending to actually help, are some of the greatest, most caring and empathic, and most capable people in the world.
I have been out since the 80s, but only a few years ago had a churchie privately tutor my kid. He was and is completely awesome. There is a huge demand for truly effective tutors, and many families experiencing great tutoring would have interest in a Comm Course or auditing. Tutoring and auditing fit together perfectly!
When the church folds, is it a legal stretch to imagine that courts could rule that the people who paid for the building own it? Ownership could be apportioned according to donations, with staff included! Sounds fair to me.
Thanks Bob. Your ideas are great and I think tutoring could lead to much more and could help a lot of people, which is why most of us got into Scn in the first place — we wanted to help.
Great idea! It that way the intention to create theta results through the Tech, will actually have a chance at happening. Currently the VFP of an Ideal Org appears to be coffee, a tour, and videos playing non-stop to no one. Right out of a Fellini movie.
Brilliant idea! Give those donors back their property and let them use it for something helpful to society!
I recently found myself thinking about eviction and how, if the church ends up losing the properties through lost suits or bankruptcy, staff berthing will probably end up being seized and eventually liquidated. the loyal staff will be given notice to vacate, and most of them will have neither the money or the credit to rent other housing. I thoroughly agree this could be preempted by taking an offensive position such as has been discussed in the previous posts. a class action law suit, if not already forming should be looked into now, hopefully one step ahead of Davey absconding with the assets to parts unknown. as a landlord of twenty years I’ve witnessed the turnover of property ownership as a result of lawsuits innumerable times. retrieving property from the grip of the government receivership will be a long and terribly expensive route which can and should be avoided. get the big ‘givers’ to see this as the true game it is and that they can indeed have the win they were originally after. start
Wow, whoever the correspondent was that took the pics and wrote the article, my thanks to you! And of the 6 public you spotted, it is possible that some were not even public but were staff members at the Pas Org. Staff members there may not wear uniforms as they are not SO. So could some of that 6 have been staff? Or maybe I’m wrong and staff at Class V Orgs do wear uniforms. Not sure. But at any rate, this is proof positive to counter all the fake Gold shoots there where they bus in people to sit there and pretend to be reading a book and then take the pics and publish them to the world with , “See, we actually are booming!” Take that Gold! Take that Davie! We got the proof that says you lied. But what a waste of that beautiful interior and all that wood and marble. It’s just empty and cold and sterile and uninviting.
Staff of “Ideal Orgs” have “uniforms” (though there have been MANY complaints about how they only get 2 pairs of pants and cannot afford new ones, they are “dryclean only” and they cannot afford to dryclean them)….
Staff member in Idle Org for 2 years, here. The uniforms were uncomfortable and didn’t fit correctly. The staff resorted to washing them at home, so they started looking ratty and discolored. Jackets were never cleaned, so they were dirty and some smelled. The ED looked great, but she was graceful like that.
Awesome post Mike – I love your relentless reporting!!
Thanks for reporting the real news!
No worries about the 6 people coming on course – that is not “expansion” and seems like status quo for the Idle Morgues…probably family of staff members coming in to support their poor mother/father/sister/ brother being right about being on staff and wasting their lives to support the cult the World knows…is a cult!
I love that they wasted all that money and nothing is changing…empty as ever!!
Each Org has more staff members than public because the Org’s have become “clinics” for those who cannot afford the “bridge to nowhere”. Sadly – they soon find out they will not get any “bridge” cuz they are not producing…and the scam continues to dwindle downward to nothing!!
I wonder where Miscavige is hiding these days…such interesting times!!
I manage a manufacturing facility. The worst sound we can hear is silence because that means we’re slow and the machines aren’t running and we’re not making money. How does the staff keep up their morale when there is no public to serve? I find these pictures depressing and I’m one of the people who can’t wait to see the day the COS folds!
Was it you Mike or Marty Rathbun who said several years ago the the COS was dead?….I used to live in Glendale and I can tell you the streets of Pasadena are alive with people on Friday night….
Jack — we both said it. As have many others. There is a physical presence remaining, but it is without life. No theta, all MEST.
Yes Mike, quite right. Totally MESSED up (destroyed) original Scn mission goal!
David Miscarriage — created a world wide MESS, in every sense of the word.