As the media onslaught surrounding Troublemaker continues unabated, now hitting Entertainment Tonight, People mag, the Washington Post and everywhere else you turn, scientology is in bunker mode. Refusing all media inquiries for “spokespeople” and dishing out the same old cut and paste “responses.”
And as with every media who has sought to cover anything related to scientology, ABC received the usual litany of letters prior to the airing of the 20/20 piece. Each of them complains about how their sources are disreputable liars, every question the media asks is ludicrous and accusing them of missing the real story of scientology (massive international expansion under the brilliant leadership of David Miscavige, proven by the number of square feet of empty buildings he has cut ribbons on).
Those ABC letters have now been put on one of the church’s websites.
One might ask “Why?” They failed to prevent ABC from airing the program or including me. Which was their purported intent. Why advertise their failure like that? To any outsider, the strident ad hominem is laughable. And they serve as a repository to show to future media “here is what you can expect to receive from the church — you can find these cut and paste letters at a lot of media websites these days and you can see they are basically form letters at this point. Nothing to worry about as nothing ever comes of them.”
There is only ONE reason those letters are on the website.
To show to scientologists who see any media coverage of Leah.
David Miscavige wrote them with the idea that they will be useful to “dead agent” Leah to the internal scientology public who break the rules and see any “entheta” media.
“Dead agent” is a scientology term taken by L. Ron Hubbard from Sun Tzu’s Art of War. It means to prove a secret agent is a liar and thus expose him as a spy, and he is thereafter a “dead agent.”
Hubbard wrote an extensive tract about how to do this.
The problem is that scientology is constantly confronted by people who are NOT liars. So, instead of disproving their “lies” they are left to call them names and speak in generalities about how the person is “unreliable” and “cannot be trusted” and is doing it “to make money,” “remain relevant,” “get attention” etc etc. These statements are terribly ineffective – especially when they are repeated over and over about EVERYONE and not a single specific is ever disproven.
I have not had the time to dissect all of these 9 letters. They are of course jam packed with generalities and lies and I will probably take some time eventually to dissect them in detail and perhaps to address the mounting piles of rubbish they keep cut and pasting about me (I am now a “wife beater” every time I am mentioned) so I can point the media and others to it in the future.
But for now, and rather quickly, I glanced through the first letter Miscavige dictated purporting to respond to the “Questions from ABC.”
The letter is jammed with self-serving snark. But there are a few things that are said in that stand out.
One of the reasons they stand out is that they are going to crash into the cognitive dissonance of scientologists who are in some doubt about the subject. (And likely anyone who sees or reads any of the Leah Remini media is already thinking along those lines). Just like when Paul Haggis heard Tommy Davis denying disconnection existed on national TV. Just like all the people who were given the Freedom mag that “responded” to the Truth Rundown Series in the Tampa Bay Times. Scientology’s own words sunk them.
So too, here. There are some horrible clangers.
And as I said, this is just a quick read through the first of the 3 “response” letters sent on 26 October.
Let’s begin with the doozie: we never considered Ms. Remini an actual Sea Org member, because she never rose above a cleaner.
It’s like Ariel Castro, after the 3 women escaped from his basement, stating: “I am very happy those women are no longer in my house. They need to move on with their lives.”
Ariel Castro? OMG, what an analogy! BINGO.
I saw in a comment from the church today that they welcome homosexuals to be in the church. Leah and Paul are lying. What a joke. Does anyone have quotes from Hubbard that can be posted in response to the church’s statements?
A few here:
http://www.xenu.net/archive/projects/qd-leaflets/h2-1.txt
“The LGBT community are welcome to Scientology, as long as they make sizeable donations and are willing to handle their misguided sexual orientation.” – Mike Hunt, former gay aberee
thank you, I plan to post some of these stmts.
Awesome post dude!
MIKE RINDER=GENIUS
This is the end, you know. We are witnessing the final collapse.
There will be no new recruits. The media is finally getting their job done and putting the real story of what Scientology is out in the open. Great as the church once was at deception, such intent proves to be no match for the social evolution brought about by this, the age of information. Now, as far as membership goes, they will have to make do with whom they have got… For the world at large has gotten wise.
And the “leader” remains stuck in his failed strategy of false information, the leader of a candy-land prophecy, and a congregation tricked into believing that scientology is a science. How long can he keep the veil over the eyes of his followers, whilst they are yet doomed to never realize the salvation he promises, this salvation that is in fact a hoax?
In the beginning there was a man who craved for power and wealth. He created a fantastic fantasy and equipped it with the power to manipulate men’s minds. The end of his organization, no matter how well-conceived, was always predictable to the still-rational mind. That end has arrived. There was a time, for the luckless individuals that fell into this remorseless trap, that Truth was threatened by compromise.
Laughter brings the mind to rest –
for all who manage to escape.
For each man, woman or child that walks out today the world becomes a better place. You are a strong and valueable person, and you bring with you the wisdom of knowing what a dangerous cult really is, and that is knowledge that makes the world just that much safer for the approaching generation of ourselves. Welcome to the world and, yes, do make yourself known.
aw, cripes
i just realized that after a speech like that i oughta at least make some attempt at actually making myself known, or i’m an offense to my own credibility.
one guy came in here, fake jake, and i smashed his cred to bits in four words and then gloated about we were, might be friends, put that in your judgemental cap and get ready for more meat cause sometimes i gotta stir things up or go nuts. I hate it when nothing happens.
but the collapse is fun. To watch.
Mark A. Newell, to walk the talk.
that name slipped out through here before, the one time i tried to diddle my post out on a cell phone.
Point being i don’t give a rats ass, what the skum suckers are picking up from me, what i say here.
No pointless damnation of my character is going to fly, especially in my own neighborhood, and who cares what the goons have to say anyway. I know 180 lawyers who worked for HBO, oh btw.
I can say what I want and I know it.
With impunity.
Some things you just know.
ps: hobbies include community theater, writing and hangin around town as mark marco.
There’s definitely something nice about using your real name online. Everyone should try it.
It’s nice to not have to hide and be able speak freely.
You’d think that with over 4 million new scientologists each year, at least one of them would come on here and use his real name to fight for what they believe in.
But -oh.. right. They aren’t allowed to.
Appreciate the word, Mr. Crest.
I do hope to appeal to the wandering eye of the doubtful scientologist looking for a possible way out, and so i came back to put it in, my real name, just to let that young person know that real people are out here and we do know and understand the identity crisis this flaming fart of a church has set you up for… and it is ok. All of it. No matter what the god-forsaken “church” says, who they accuse, all of it. It is alright. Freedom is at hand, and out here it is not a crime to be normal. And writing Knowledge Reports is an option, yours, not a requirement and you get to do or say whatever you want whenever you think it is right. All this and more is the difference between being inside the bubble or out.
ps
Just to keep the story straight – (did you say “millions”?) there are currently some three to five-thousand practicing Sea Org scientologists world-wide, and the number is guaranteed to be smaller well before this time next year…
And, a reliable source tells me that 48 of the first 50 “Clears”-
blew.
That, as a matter of fact. Blew or failed to continue being Clears one way or another, not including by death, (did the other two just die? i don’t know) according to the typically manipulated recountings of the so-called church. Nothing they say, of course, should be consumed without the appropriate measure of salt, most especially when they are talking about themselves.
IF YOU ARE INSIDE and feel you can’t talk about that, if you feel reluctant to say how bad you feel when you start to wonder if this “applied philosophy” really works or is what it says it is at all, just to realize that there IS NOBODY around with whom to actually talk to about it… such justifiable doubts…
?
well, at least YOU still know. It did not work for the first 48 of 50, that in the long list (of “millions”, again, is such outstanding fiction) to follow, as the trend continues,
and the world turns (undoubtedly revolving around the Bridge to Total Freedom)
Meanwhile, the time has come to ask:
What kind of man was LRH, really, and how does that compare to what he SAYS he was?
Given that the yet existing cherch is entirely a protected reflection of his alter-ego, the question demands a credible answer. Good news, someone did the research for you already, a journalist named Russell Miller wrote the book: Bare-Faced Messiah.
(Don’t get caught with that inside the gate or it will be straight to the brig with you. But read it somehow and finally it all comes together, why everyone running around is so paranoid and why you are “late”, in submitting your next Knowledge Report)
ps: i can’t take credit for that word, ‘cherch’, and would like to thank all that used it before me. Freedom is bliss, and power is to all that employ the all-powerful tool of critical thought.
I totally agree their figures on 4.4 million new members per year are just lies they are still telling. Their “What is Scientology?” video updated this year is filled with lies and is where I get the 4.4 million they are claiming.
https://youtu.be/y2Wx2M7a5Wg
They rely on the logical fallacy of placing the burden of proof on everyone else about these claims because they can’t prove it. and the evidence against their inflated statistics is overwhelming.
Was in Scientology for 30 years and 12.5 years as a Sea Org member.
Here’s one of my many answers on Quora where I address the lies they tell to get and keep people.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-Scientology-6
It is a pleasure to meet you. Thanks for coming round.
Nicely presented, Mike.
One looks forwards to (and hope for) streams of Dish-washers and cleaners etc (and who isn’t at this level repeatedly in the SeaBorg?) putting down tools and leaving,t hen responding to menaces for repayment of ‘freeloader debt’ by saying,
“Oh, I was never relay in the SaeOrg. I was just a shit-shoveler for CoB*) Buh-bye!”
*NB: Current definition of active Scientologist.
Ouch!! The Thorn strikes again. DM needs to be assigned PR I/T. Not only is he not handling the existing situations he doesn’t even seem aware of the new ones he creates by the bucket-load. He continues to violate so many basic PR PLs he obviously doesn’t have a clue and is out of his league up against Mike “The Thorn” Rinder. DMs BPR campaign is going exactly according to PR Series 18 “…it recoils on the person who uses it…. Too much venom put out stains one with venom…. BPR is essentially a fabric of lies…. Sooner or later such stories are found not to be true. ONE false story can destroy the credit of the teller. Now who listens?” What little credit DM had, has or will have is slowly but surely being auto-eroded as a direct result of his absurd micro-mis-managed BPR handlings which display a distinct lack of understanding in the use of basic Scientology PR Tech. “The attacker sooner or later is attacked — often by many.” By now the blue fuse paper has been lit and we are just waiting for the inevitable PR BANG!!!.
Mike, whenever you D/A Miscavige and the cherch in pieces like this I get 2 mental pictures: 1) a holy man thrusting a large gold cross into the face of a vampire and, 2) Dorothy throwing a bucket of water over the Wicked Witch of the West. You’re simply lethal, that’s all. If I were Miscavige, reading this stuff, or possibly having it read or told to me, I would be collapsed in embarrassment. But I suppose he’s too insane or something, to be embarrassed. Anyway, thank you, Mike, for this, and for everything. You da man!
Mike: Something just did not make sense. Tarin spent her vacations from Australia to New York and to Disney World. Airplane tickets from Sidney to New York or Orlando are about $1,200 each way. Entrance for the theme parks about $100.00 per day. How Tarin as sea org member and scientologist can afford that with a weekly income of $50.00?
Welcome out Bkmole. It really is sunnier out here!
Scientology – “May you never be as sane again.”
Just heard Mr. Mike Rinder’s name on WLS talk radio here in Chicago. During the evening ruh hour.
Talking about Troublemaker ….reading a quote from our proprietor
How fkn insane is this???
“It was not one of your questions, but we will answer it right now.”
thank you Oracle.
Sanity rarely was more beautifully spoken.
Leah Remini has moved on with her life, ever since the Sea Organization convinced her she wasn’t fit to clean toilets.
Why is the Church of Scientology piggy backing on her memoir, it is not about them, it is about her. Why can’t they mind their own business? Why do they have to try to squash anyone that DOES try to get on with their life??? Private investigators, squirrel busters, plants and spies, lawyers, it goes on and on. LET people get on with their life!!!!!!
GET OFF US!!!!!! Stay on your side of the fence!!!! YOU are the ones STALKING!!!!!
The Church of Scientology is a akin to a domestic terrorist organization and they accuse others of who and what they really are, the lunatic fringe. They have HUGE LIES and TRANSGRESSIONS to HIDE. Those are the only logical conclusions the general public makes AND IS NOW MAKING ON A DAILY BASIS. Mike you are right on the money, the Scientology crime syndicate has dead agented itself.
MESSAGE TO DAVID MISCAVIGE: HALF ACK.
Mike, thanks for posting this. As a long time scientologist who has only been out for a short time, this letter really hits home as to how truly insane the cherch and its leader really are. When I think about my friends who are still in, it makes me sad and angry at the same time. For me the total collapse of the cherch seems the only way that certain clams will ever escape. Keep up the great articles. Eventually the erosion from your work and other dedicated writers will cause the most massive Scientology mudslide in its history.
Wow, Miscavige is taking points right out of Goebbel’s playbook with the bigger and more fantastic the lie … That’s sooo amazing. And incredibly stupid. They don’t dress their lies anymore. Even the sheeple still in would see right through this crap causing some to wake up on the spot.
The little tyrant has not the intelligence in his little head to craft good lies, probably should not have beat up, rpf and holed anyone with a brain. The emperor is naked. Very naked. And sadly pathetic. (All of THIS statement is fact and easily proven).
Karin Pouw has informed The Hollywood Reporter, The New York Times, The Washington Post and other media outlets to apply LRH administrative policy by CSWing any requests for information via the proper command channels.
I noticed that as well, totally delusional statement by the sandbox bully who seems convinced his arbitrary rules should also apply to the society in general outside the boundaries of his 4 foot by 4 foot sandbox. I lay this squarely at the doorstep of our dearly departed L Ron. His written statement that Scientology policy should one day replace the laws of the land and become the “local government” only encourages the sandbox bully to bully harder.
Scientology has created for itself a new place on the Tone Scale. So where exactly would “Assault Poodle” be on there? -40.1?
And they call me a DB and 1.1…
Will someone give Karin Pouw a math lesson. In her letter to ABC, she says that “the Church has expanded more in the past decade than it has in the 50 previous years of its meteoric growth.” Yet the letter http://www.scientologynews.org/statements/abc-news/church-of-scientology-response-to-abc-news-church-growth.html lists only 45 new churches over the past 12 years. 500 churches in its first 50 years (ten a year) and now 45 over 12 years (less than 4 a year).
$camology, to me at the very least, lost the power of litigation, threats, and other sundry sordid schemes to silence its critics and “enemies” years ago and now can only bark at the world from their giant sized kennels. The slide into mediocrity and eventual, to borrow a astrophysical term, heat death will continue. Will Miscavige and the bank accounts disappear before it all comes crashing down? Personally, he’ll do a runner. And all that will be left is Percy Bysshe Shelley: “Ozymandias”.
Ah! At last! A substantial portion of the media and public opinion is against Scientology the the church is largely in hiding. Mouthpiece lawyers are making people shiver in giggles now, not fear.
The time is NOW, IRS: yank the church’s nonprofit status and yank it arbitrarily. Make them show cause they should keep it, which they may now never succeed at. Within a hop and a skip, FFT can be arrested for Madoff-sized tax evasion!
“we never considered Ms. Remini an actual Sea Org member, because she never rose above a cleaner.”
That statement is wrong in so many ways it is hard to credit. I’ve been out of the Sea Org for 10 years, with nothing but joy at the thought that I will never return, but it still burns me to hear something so self-serving and arrogant from the highest ranking Sea Org officer.
How can you say that Dave? You were there when Hubbard’s messenger girls and cleaners were elevated to the highest posts! You were one of them! Imagine being a Lawn Mower In Charge or a Trash Collector in the Sea Org and being told you are not really in the Sea Org because your post is too lowly to consider! Imagine living on nearly no pay, being harassed and overworked, all tor the glorious cause, only to find out that the Captain of the Sea Org considers you to be less than the dirt under his feet!
Not everyone can rise to your glorious levels, Dave, it is only the cut-throats and the pitiless that rise to become part of your gang of thugs and party with Tom Cruise. Since you won’t spend any money on labor and can’t be bothered to improve conditions at your extravagant digs around the world, it has to be maintained by hard manual work. A lot of it is done by Sea Org. Some by children and old folks.
If you can’t be bothered to soil your hands with manual labor or pay for others to do it at legal wages, why don’t you cut them loose and shut it down? You could still party with the whales and the rest of them could get on with life.
Of course it is obvious from this statement and others like it that Dave doesn’t practice what he preaches. He will publicly praise the Sea Org and allow stupid statements like “The Sea Org-our best organizational and personal answer” in recruit promotional materials, but inside he is thinking they are the lowest of the low. Even below the “wogs” who were too smart to fall for the recruiters. Far below the whales who actually make some money.
Everybody but Dave (and maybe Tom on one of his good days) is just fodder for the machine, to grind up and spit out. Executive Director International, with decades of experience and a great reputation as an executive? Make nasty jokes about him and lock him up in the Hole! Do the same with every high level executive who ever tried to do anything.
If anyone below that level thinks they can hold their heads high as they proudly execute their assigned duties in the Sea Org, whatever they may be, from Sound Mixer to Galley Cook, Dave will make them well aware of how they look to him. Arbitrary post removals, transfers, public humiliation, 25 years of service and you are out because you asked the wrong question at the wrong time, RPF, divorce, these are the rewards you can expect. When you are too old to work you will be encouraged to die so you can come back and do it for another life without incurring the expense of any senior care.
It must be very lonely in there, Dave, surrounded by incompetents and persecuted by the wicked angels on the furious fringes of the Internet. But a man like you is never truly unhappy alone, you don’t care about anyone else anyway.
That is really how it looks in Dave’s World, how happy I am to be free of it and living my own life.
I think he’s pretty sad. Can you..where you’ve come to at this time outside the czerch…imagine anyone being unable to love, unable to receive love, unable to feel truly safe, unable to make a real friend? And now to be unable to any longer cause any effect in the real world? To be laughed at and ridiculed? To be steadily revealed for what he really is and be unable to refute any of it? And this is supposed to be someone in power? How fraudulent. How utterly sad to be such a being.
Macallan is his friend.
Is it my imagination, or is the Church of Scientology revealing information that it obtained from Ms. Remini’s confidential auditing files?
“Failure to handle or disavow and disconnect from a person demonstrably guilty of Suppressive Acts.”
Voluntary, my ass.
Geeze, they even have face book police making darn sure their minions dutifully disconnect from any and every one they don’t like anymore.
Question for Dave: What on earth have YOU done to pull in all this negative press?
You do know that the negative press isn’t even particularly aimed at scientology, Dave, it’s directly targetting YOU.
You need to move on and get a life, Dave.
It’s embarrassing we were ever connected with you.
“Failure to handle or disavow and disconnect from a person demonstrably guilty of Suppressive Acts.”
Right on the money LDW. I remember vividly pouring over Hubbards HCOPL’s on the PTS-SP course and coming across those little gems. David Miscavige may be a temporary problem but L Ron’s creation of “us vs. them” mindset will be the long term issue that Scientologists will need to sift through on their road to recovery. from the cult mindset. “What is true for you..etc” is only window dressing to make Scientology more palatable. It’s pure bullshit.
I wonder if Miscavige is capable of even knowing how much of an admission of guilt this quote from him in People magazine is:
“Remini claims she and her sister lived in a roach-infested motel room with six other girls. The star dropped out of school in eighth grade and was assigned manual labor for 12 hours a day, including cleaning hotel rooms. ‘We were being used as laborers,’ she tells PEOPLE. (Scientology, which in a statement has called Remini’s entire book ‘revisionist history,’ says that ‘allegation is false’ and maintains that the facility was in good standing with the local health department.)”
In other words, “Your honor, the prosecutor is lying about my running a sweat shop with illegal child labor in a run-down motel. The motel was not run down.”
Dave, do you still beat your wife?
So right StillOnYourSide.
“Pardon me your Honor, our child labor only works in the most top notch facilities.”
Your ship is sinking Dave.
Beautifully written blog Mike! I’m a never in but have followed this criminal enterprises slow burning down for decades now. I abhor the way you have been treated, and all who have had to lose their families to this DISCONNECTION policy that does NOT exist- laughable really they can still continue to say that.
I applaud all of you who have found the strength and courage to move away from this insidious organization. I have read countless, heartbreaking stories & will continue to do my part. How about buying a few hundred copies of Leah’s book, putting different scientology ( LRH titles) on ” Troublemaker” and getting them into orgs and having them picked up by those still in? Must be a way….. Once you start Leah’s book, you cannot look away. It’s really written well and you’d be hard pressed to put it down.
“Scientology is the only major religion to be founded in the 20th century and emerge as a major religion in the 21st century.”
The Nation of Islam is neither Islam not a sect of Islam, and is probably larger than Scientology.
The Moonie religion still exists, although it is crumbling faster than Scientology.
Scientology is not a religion, period.
It is a hoax, and a failure I would be to give it more credit than that.
Mike, it used to be that the crime syndicate would order their customers to write these idiot letters, now because the syndicate has only some 30,000 remaining customers world wide and because none of them are even remotely allowed to look at the truth, it’s one criminal ringleader who is writing this nonsense.
Wow, and this posting is only after a somehow cursory look at the letters? I can imagine Mike all you can find whenever the time to dissect them arrives.
This reminded me of early 90s when there was a newspaper article from Tampa Bay (don’t remember about what truth – if Lisa Mc Pearson or the abuse of staff) – but anyway, the point being that, at that time, all OSA staff woke up way early and went through all the newspaper stands (the ones you use a coin to buy it) and bought ALL the newspapers around the area, and also around Tampa Org. area.
Why? Oh, the wholeheartedly response was: ‘parishioners and staff don’t need to be enturbulated by entheta, that is why OSA exists, to handle the entheta and let staff and parishioners move up the bridge”. Go wonder boy!!
BUT now there is Internet and the onslaught of their exposed crimes can not and won’t be stopped by OSA or Pow, no matter how much they try. Sorry guys…
Mike, I also was wondering the terror Miscavige lives in by just considering that Tom Cruise could start seeing some truths after all this publicity on scn. Maybe part of the dead agent is directed at Tom, just in case.
But, either if Tom sees the light or not, is not the point; it is the paranoia and terror miscavige lives in because of this imagine threat. Pity…
My comment to Dave is something my dear old grandmother told me when I was a little boy: “You made your bed, now lie in it.”
Regarding the “feigned righteous indignation” tool DM and his minions use to deflect media questions: I’ve long thought that Tom Cruise came the closest he ever has to getting bitch slapped by his best buddy for his failure to use the ploy effectively in the Bauer Media lawsuit depositions.
He hung in there for a few rounds – every time the opposition tried to confirm that Katie Holmes had left him to protect their daughter from scientology. “I find that question extremely offensive!!” I think he got in a few of those until the questioner finally verbally cornered him. “Did she say that? Well, yes, that was one of the assertions.”
I could hear the TNT go off in DM’s head when that hit the media. Only Mike and Regraded Being have the dialogue skills to write that fucked up rant that must have gone on for days and days and days……
But I had a lot of fun imagining it.
But…but….Scientology is BOOMING like never before…how can this be happening???!! Oh yeah!! It’s signs of SUCCESS!!! Hip, hip, HUUURRRAAAAAYY!!
“I find your lack of faith disturbing.” – Darth Miscavige
Yeah, well, bucko, I personally know Jabba the Hut so you better not try that disturbing faith thing with me! And, keep in mind I know Jabba’s cousin, Pizza the Hut!
Isn’t Jabba the current IJC?
Thats right Tony! The fact that Scientology is being attacked in the media is PROOF that David Miscavige is KEEPING SCIENTOLOGY WORKING. David Miscavige is on policy and on purpose and he is leading the charge that will raise mankind up from the mud that he thinks conceived him. If you are against David Misacvige, you are for mud.
One of my favourite dead agenting moves by Scientology was when they posted a picture of Paul Haggis in a prison jumpsuit to show how disreputable he was. It turned out he was wearing it for an Amnesty International campaign, but Scientology “forgot” to mention that. *eyeroll*
I keep trying to reconcile what I’m feeling about Leah Remini’s story mixed up with my own history plus that of friends and family gone awry with the Cof$ saga and then I realised just how much of a bully the Cof$ actually is. Leah very much comes across as the girl next door. She rubs shoulders with some pretty big high flyers but she’s earned her way there and the honesty and caring that comes out from her is unmistakable. Protection mechanisms and the ‘call to arms’ that evokes is a powerful human emotion to stir up in the public.
The callous, bully like tactics of miscacvige and his church have now firmly placed itself on very thin ice and the public hit list. There is just something about the homely girl under threat that evokes a markedly different response from the public.
This time miscavige your lies are backfiring with considerable magnitude. Your hypnotised flock now have a true test of their own to face. America’s darling – you have fucked up big time attacking her.
They can’t help themselves, I Yawn, it’s what’s ALWAYS expected: Attack!!! NEVER DEFEND! And they are, indeed bullies. But now they’re more like paper bullies. Really not much there.
They can do no right. It’s footbullets from here on out.
“It ain’t over till the fat lady sings”.
Leah is a beautiful woman who is far from being fat but she sure can
sing loud and clear!
And the best part of all this for me is that Leah got her $300,000 back.
Hopefully that will pave the way for others to do the same.
Unfortunately they no longer give money back to anyone. This was an anomaly because “Dave” handled it personally.
Maybe so, but I for one will be re-writing to Flag asking for my money back on the strength of this. I will be sending the source reference (Leah’s book and the press article) which demonstrate beyond doubt that refunds CAN and SHOULD happen as they did in Leah’s case. I would urge any others who are due any sort of refund to do the same.
I am in full agreement with that Martin. And nobody should ever make the mistake of udnerestimating your persistence!
Leah teaches us all.
I got a repayment from Flag some years ago and my primary stance was that the church (under Miscaviges leadership) had demonstrated blatant violations of technical guidelines resulting in my further investigation of widespread “squirreling”. For people inside the bubble this resonates with their own abhorrence against intentional alteration of HCOB’s and HCOPLs. Terminals inside the church are WELL AWARE that squirreling occurs, they write each other up constantly. Especially if your PC folders indicate that you got case gain, it makes it more clear that someone inside really f’ed up. my .02
Mike, do you know how COB justified giving Leah a refund? Did the refund mean Leah was right? Did it mean she never should have been sec checked…. that Leah was right about TC?
I know you were already gone by that time, but I’m curious if you know/heard about COB’s rationale for giving this particular refund.
Or was this a case of different rules applying to a celebrity…
The description is in the book. Miscavige loves to show how powerful he is by ignoring the rules everyone else is forced to follow. “Look at me, I can snap my fingers and you have a check” or a new limo. Or a decorated house. Or a girlfriend…
Gotta go and get that book today……..
And the fact that Micaviage handled it personally is the best part.
His obsessive need for celebrity surely compelled him to give the money
back. And yes he was covering his ass as well. The CYA part didn’t work so well this time.
Another thought here. Leah writes most of her book not from the Sea Org viewpoint but as a public Scientologist. And it’s still damning. She was supporting her entire family and had her first car repossessed before she was 18. Living in abject poverty to support the entire family’s Scientology lifestyle.
She was living with the cognitive dissonance that the family members in Scientology were having the same or worse problems than the sister Nicole who had chosen not to be a part of it, while blaming Nicole’s problems on the fact that she wasn’t practicing Scientology.
Leave out Sea Org altogether and its still a credible book. Add Sea Org in and it shows one glaring fact, she paid off her freeloaders debt after she left, why did she even have one if “she was never really in”?
Leah does an amazing job of pointing out all her own flaws before Scientology can attack her so their letters look even more insane than usual. Even ABC mentioned that she had said almost everything in her book that was in the letters hand delivered to their studios.
This is the first high profile book IMHO written by a public, not a staff Scientologist who escaped and that’s what gives it huge legs.
Excellent Mike and thank you again.
The fairest comment I can make here, giving the CoS all the benefit of the doubt is–
Everyone has heard that Scientologists are, at least on paper, the most ethical people on the planet. Honesty is their watchword, they comply with superiors, pay each account on the nail, are scrupulous with thought, word, and deed. Going to a major Scientology center, every face is friendly, every eye glows with resolve and purpose. Not a heart knows weeping, not a mind is unclear. Children are given superior tutoring, and the best of all models in writing articulate prose.
Except….how do they keep recruiting and training and even promoting to high rank such losers? We have people who are born into the church, OTVIIIs, Staff, Sea Org members, excellent auditors, people of every stripe— and yet,they turn out to be people who are criminals, failures at their chosen professions, second- and third-rate celebrities who can hardly keep up their place in the public eye, save for their involvement in the Church, men and women whose families are in tatters, children who can hardly read or write. Even with mandatory security checks, progress reports, ecclesiastical reviews, and the best possible lie detection technology, Scientologists with violent tendencies, and loathsome and unhealthy habits continue to fill their highest ranks. Yet the Church continues to turn a blind eye to them…and it’s not just a small number, either.
Until they leave.
It”s only then that you hear about the thefts, the sexual depravity, and the rampant spousal and child abuse that runs rampant throughout the organization, that seems to have an unerring tendency to afflict Gold, Flag, and even the Freewinds. It’s true that there are always a few bad apples in the barrel, and other religious sects have had their problems, but this has gone from a skeleton in the closet to a whole mortuary. Either Scientology’s security mechanisms are deeply flawed, or there’s a whole lot to be explained here.
Perhaps you might start by explaining why Scientologists need so much in the way of “safety” and “security” in the first place. I, as a practicing Anglican, can go to Mass, even to a Vigil in the dead of night, in an urban area, and feel confident that a gunfight isn’t going to break out. I don’t feel that that fellow in the light-colored jacket who always performs prayer gestures as if he’s part of the Silent Drill Corps is anything more sinister than a late middle-aged man of extraordinary piety. True, the Master of Acolytes is gay, but he’s also my godfather, his pupils are mostly fully grown men and women, and he’s engaged (to another man) anyway. Confession means that whatever I did is annulled, no records are kept. No one has made me sign any document more binding than my baptismal certificate, everything we do is free and open to the public, even weddings and funerals. I’m not saying all these things are necessarily better, but I would love to know why Scientology attracts so many “antisocial” people, and why it feels that the elaborate mechanism that has obviously failed it is so necessary.
this is too true; why can the public, especially the USA Government see this? Tax exemption should be no more for this cult
$cientology attracts a wide range of people. It is getting that ‘wide range’ into financial servitude that used to be what the scam did well. Well, well enough to keep the cash flow ‘uplines’. That is what the scam is all about, sending money ‘uplines’. The missions and mOrgs get to charge for their ‘courses’ and a tithing of sorts is sent up. It takes a lot of skill to sell that piece of blue sky and you get all kinds in the entry pot.
Seekers who are looking for something, people who have bought into their ‘ruin’ and want to fix it. The budding grifter who has been sold on the great income that becoming an ‘auditor’ or case supervisor can bring. This is not by any means the potential class of new meat that the body routers are going for. I think that anyone can be sucked into such things if hit at the right time by the right salesperson.
The Oxford Capacity Test is a great selling tool, if used by a skilled salesperson. Happily, the general public is becoming educated to ways of the Clampire and those with the skills to sell the scam are becoming harder to find. This is the slow death of any cult. Replacing everyone who has had that WTF moment and escaped is not easy today. The water is just too clear and everyone can see the Piranha.
These response letters reveal why no scientology spokesperson will EVER be interviewed before the legitimate media. Every claim the church makes against a critic opens up for discussion a host of things the church doesn’t want to talk about. For instance, if Leah wasn’t really in the S.O. then why did she sign a billion year contract? And why would the church enter into a contract with a CHILD? EVERYTHING the church says leads to its own ruin if followed to its logical conclusion. It can’t afford to come forward and neither can its members. I see a wave of new apostates on the horizon, people who are tired of hitching their wagon to a dwarf star.
Let’s just start with — Why is the church putting its SO recruits to work as cleaners anyway? Why aren’t they put into religious pursuits? Dave doesn’t think about these obvious questions ahead of time because he has no connection to the real world and doesn’t realize how out-of-phase Sci is.
Dave’s got a thing about cleaning.
Actually, it’s because he’s a bit myopic and when he first saw “clearing”, he misread it as “cleaning” and he’s never word cleared it so it’s still cleaning to him.
Thanks for clearing that up. I feel cleaner.
The COS really needs to read the book. Dead agenting Leah doesn’t change these facts.
Chapter 4 where it talks about the kids Leah hung around with when she wasn’t on course or at work is heartbreaking, especially since she should have been going to 9th grade NOT working to support her family then.
But she was better off than the kids her age she hung around with, those kids’ parents, still in SO, weren’t talking to them because they had chosen not to be in SO, so the kids were on their own roaming the streets.
I also like how on Howard Stern yesterday she said Kirstie Alley had called her a bigot because that was what her religion required her to do and she understood that.
When the church is spewing and Leah is all calm and cool, admitting mistakes and talking about her in your face brashness, the vitriol coming out of cos looks 47x worse.
“we never considered Ms. Remini an actual Sea Org member, because she never rose above a cleaner.”
I guess this means that scientology has just admitted that all these sea org “ministers” are not really “ministers” and therefore all this slave labor does not qualify for the “ministerial exception” they are always claiming. So, once again scientology is trying to have it both ways. Hope this statement is preserved and handy for any lawyers who want to use it in the future.
There is nothing like a party admission!
It sounds like some very tired people in OSA, pulling out some old formletters from the 80´s. Sending them around in frustration. Does anyone ever read that stuff? The church here did the same with me for every newspaper article. Less specific. But no one I talked to ever had read it. They just knew it would be a bunch of BS.
Dave, I always knew you were a moron, your constant footbullets proved me right on that. Now you’re just ‘knee-capping’ yourself and I find it hilarious. Please, do continue, this is the best free show I’ve ever watched.
You hear that, dwarf boy? NOLAGirl is CALLING YOU OUT! What are you going to do about it? Nothing? I thought so. You’re nothing but a coward…..
He’s obviously got a thing about being whoop-assed by women – it’s becoming quite a habit.
His lame ass can’t call anyone out without hiding behind a lawyer or spokeshole letter. He’s welcome to try though. I have lawyers too. 😉
As I said before, you don’t mess with NOLA girls! They’ll just kick your ass…..
True dat.
(7 TDs, what??!)
True dat! One more than the other team…Now that was a game!
Brilliant dissection, Mike. Made me laugh out loud.
Didn’t LRH talk about the SP and how it really HATES people….
Leah Remini spent 30 years and $5,000,000 on Scientology; most of that DONATIONS and this is what Miscavige (aka Scientology) says about that type of member?
The Ole man also talks about how the SP …(Scientology) gets rid of its most valuable members ? Look how Miscavology / Scientology “discards without sorrow”…
The Wogs are howling…”what kind of church does this”???? (Please continue Scientology Spokeshole / Miscavige)….
THAT deserves a special story in and of itself….a whole new can of “whoop ass” dead agenting Scientology.
Help, trying to escape from scientology, how do I do it, have to go, think people will know I have been looking at this entheta
http://www.forum.exscn.net/ Forum disussion topic Leaving the Church
Simple. Walk out the door and don’t look back. Leaving is easy.
The repercussions may be hard. A lot will depend on how much outside support (family and friends) you have, and whether or not your livelihood depends on Scientologists. If you have lots of connections inside the church, and few outside, it can be a bitch. Note that I’ve never been a member myself, I’m going by the stories of those who have left.
If I were you I’d make certain that my livelihood is not dependent on members of the church first (get a new job if necessary, or find new customers/suppliers if you own your own business). Then I’d try to build up lots of connections with the outside world. A lot of outsiders will be supportive – the splash over Leah’s book has made them aware of what church members go through.
You just have to make the decision to leave (which you apparently have done) and follow thru with your decision. People like Mike left and had to start his life all over again having never held a normal, “wog” job. I also had to do that, however I was only in the SO for a decade and left around 30. You have to just take the plunge and perhaps suffer a bit, but in the end it is completely worth it. Best of luck to you. Are you leaving SCN only or the Sea Org?
There are at least 50 ways … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5–Sje98jI
Hey jpowr, I think you already know what you’re going to do. So do it! As FOTF2012 (almost) said, “There must be 50 ways to your cult.
Just slip out the back Jack (so OSA doesn’t see you leave)
Make a new plan, Stan (but don’t let anyone else see it)
Just hop on the bus, Gus, and get yourself FREE (The real free! Not what the cult says is freedom)
I know you can do it….
If you are a public scn tell them you are moving to another org closer to where you live or work, then they won’t be looking for you and you simply slip away. I read this as something a lady actually did, just wish I’d thought of it myself, so much easier than the crap I had to deal with.
Great stuff!
Scientology measures its ‘success’ now in square feet of Idle Buildings – as if those are products …
Hey! Don’t forget STUDENT POINTS! They seem to be one of THE most important stats they have!
That’s because they are big numbers sovsound impressive. But it’s like being impressed by those wheelbarrows full of currency people were trundling in to get a loaf of bread. These days u probably get 10000 points for saying the morning thank you prayer to Dear Leader.
Seriously, Mike? Only 10,000 points? Shouldn’t morning prayer be, AT LEAST, 50,000 points?
Student points! And even that is a lie. Actual LRH policy states that if a student is behind on checksheet time the sup must deduct the points from that day’s production. It only takes a handful of students behind schedule and there are no academy stats. Such was the speed and flow rate of students through Saint Hill back in the day so it seems with Hubbard as sup/DofT.
The original Pro Sup course paints an entirely different picture of scientology as presented by RTC and is a bitch of a course BTW, no wonder it got dropped like a hot potato when Hubbard left Saint Hill. In those days the Primary Rdn was compulsory before you did any training.
I don’t think I ever witnessed anyone at my class 5 org do a course in check sheet time. So there goes the student points.
To be effective a leader of an organization needs to have many tools.,unfortunately for scientology and fortunately for us it only has a hammer.
Needed for hammering out incorrect technology.
Ummmmmm….such as scientology?
There’s probably a better tool.
Well, I meant hammer scientology out of business.
Perhaps battering rams will be the appropriate tool.
Once again, I stand corrected. Battering Rams are much more preferred in higher circles of society.
Is that a left or right handed hammer?
And for the life of me, I just can’t figure it out. So I returned the hammer and got a refund. Now I just use my head. The headaches are constant, but, I did save a couple of bucks….
Mike – what an extremely well written and informative post. As far as dead agents go, they have surely dead-agented themselves to me again. I am quite aware of what happened when you were ambushed in Palm Harbor. Their account is so uncommonly misleading and disingenuous, it is reflective of micavige’s lack of education, that he thinks the public would now characterize you as a wife-beater. Really junior high school stuff.
Plus I am fully aware of what my wife was put through despite 35+ years of service to the cherch. She was LITERALLY forced to choose between her son and daughter and she has the evidence to prove it.
And their final “answer” about their being “happy” about Leah was really ludicrous. All I can say is that we’re happy that you’re happy.
Tom Cruise, Tom Cruise, the way to happiness, it’s the way to happiness.
Hitler got increasingly delusional as the world war he started was drawing in on him. Before he committed suicide I think he gave orders to his staff that the infrastructure of Germany should be destroyed lest the enemy advance into the bubble he created. When Himmler pointed out that that tactic would destroy Germany Adolf said the German people deserved that very fate as they had failed to follow his grand plan. He killed himself to avoid being answerable for his crimes and probably believed his generals would follow his dead-Germany policy. They of course did not go along when he was out of the way.
Hitler gave orders to Burn Paris which was not complied with by his Generals.
Re your mention of the CoS staff provided for the school for Will and Jada Smith’s kids, what a total embarrassment!! Jaden and Willow Smith are uneducated and ridiculously arrogant, saying complete nonsense in interviews, like they can control time, they think school is a total waste of time, they don’t like anyone else’s music or books so they write their own. Jaden outdid himself in a new GQ interview, declaring that he and Willow are scientists, comparing himself to Galileo, and saying he plans to attend college, intends to “set up offices at MIT”!!
Those kids are ridiculous. They need to be brought down about ten notches. But their parents are to blame and don’t seem to think anything is wrong with their kids’ arrogant and asinine behavior.
“There is no policy in Scientology that requires Church members to disconnect from anyone, let alone family and friends who simply have different beliefs.”
WOW. Fantastic news.
Can’t wait to tell the ASHO MAA declaring my non-scientologist sister and brother in-law right now about this.
I should also tell my Scientologist Niece who stopped talking to my sister as a result of her pending declare. There’s no disconnection policy. The church says so!
Talk about a cognitave dissonance disaster.
Everybody please send a link to this letter to your local OT committee mailing list.
All Scientologists need to read this so they start their red pill journey faster.
“we never considered Ms. Remini an actual Sea Org member, because she never rose above a cleaner…”
Thank for admitting that the Church of Scientology scammed Leah Remini when they convinced her that she had a “freeloader debt”!!!
Will you be sending over a check???
I don’t know what to say. The Church of Lies is restless now that it has been stirred up once again.
I hope real soon someone put’s it out of its misery. The sense of desperation that oozes from their communication is disgusting as much as it is predicable.
“The Church does not single out anyone for its services [referring to Jennifer Lopez]”.
Huh? Then what is “Project Celebrity” with the list of names of whom to go after?
What about the campaign to “salvage” Tom Cruise when he’d wondered off.
I remember reading Sun Tzu’s Art of War when I first started working for OSA and I remember what Hubbard said about it. The basic element as you said Mike, was using truth to expose the enemy’s agent and his lies. When people like Tommy Davis stand in public saying “There is no such thing as disconnection” and you are a Scientologist, well, you intermediately know the spokesman of the Church is lying and when boldfaced lies of that magnitude are told you start realising the Church cannot be trusted. Absolute power without any checks is dangerous. Dictator Miscavige has been too long in a bubble to understand the real world. I have seen brilliant people in OSA, very intelligent and dedicated, but the more you climb to the top and approach the Int base and Miscavige, the more you get into the atmosphere of the last days at the Führer Bunker in Berlin with the Red Army closing in.
German officers used to do a good job on the field when they took their own decisions, but when they complied to the High Command they got disasters like Stalingrad.
Going Clear was already a disaster and the way the Church responded made it even worse, but with Leah Remini’s honest, graceful and heart warming appearance, things get on a higher plane because people can understand and relate to what she is saying and the responses of the Church are so ridiculous that they are just doing Harakiri. No one does a better job at bringing down the cult of Scientology than its leader David Miscavige. I guess he never understood what a”dead agent” was, because he is exposing his lies himself.
“We are very happy that Ms. Remini is no longer in the Church. She needs to move on with her life.”
“It’s like Ariel Castro, after the 3 women escaped from his basement, stating: I am very happy those women are no longer in my house. They need to move on with their lives.”
This is hilarious! thank you again Mike.
” I guess he never understood what a”dead agent” was, because he is exposing his lies himself. ”
Alex,
As Master of the fetid, seething universe of Cultites cleverly disguised as $cientologists, He is very close in on reaching a full conceptual understanding of the DEAD AGENT imho.
Yo Dave,
Perhaps a clay demo today on Your Wednesday before Thursday at Too ……….. will help your stats. BTW, when you post your student points, do they count 100x more than the average cult member because you get so much more out of it ……………. good buddy? Or do you even need to study because You are so much moar intelligent than the rest of us? And now ……. let us pray…………….
” we never considered Ms. Remini an actual Sea Org member, because she never rose above a cleaner.”
This perfectly illustrates the malevolence of the Sea Organization as a group. They label a young teen, A KID, as being unfit to even clean toilets in the their organization, and toss her out on the street with that item and indication to live with, cope with and try to survive with.
So much for nurturing other people’s children!! What is so helpful and healthy about that? Why would they announce with pride that a woman who has become an A list International Movie Star could not rise up in that FKN suppressive group to clean toilets in that institution? But there it is!! If anyone had any doubts about how fkn suppressive the Church of Scientology can actually be, just read their statements about how, as a group, they suppressed Leah Remini to the point where they convinced her she wasn’t fit to clean toilets!!!!!!
Who the FK is writing these statements for the press?????????? Thank you for bringing some truth to the table!!
Oracle,
Who else? Master of the Universe Himself is the ONLY ONE who can write anything intelligent. Get a grip! 🙂
Does the Master of the Universe Himself write for Target 2? I mean, since dwarf boy changed everything around, does Hubbard know about this? Will he reincarnate and come back as a SO member just to throw the dwarf boy out? What a Ga – laxy this is!
Target 3 is next followed by GAT 3.
I, for one, can’t wait! I mean, GAT 3!!! Because it’s 3, it MUST be fantastic!
You know what they say OSD, third time’s a charm.
It was for me in Hawai’i. Come to think of it, the first and second were just as charming as the first! That happens in Hawai’i you know. What happens in Hawai’i stays in Hawai’i…
Aloha motherfucker. ?
I get really tired of $cientology using the term “ecclesiastical” about itself and it’s leadership. “Ecclesiastical” specifically refers to Christian churches, which $cientology definately is not:
ec·cle·si·as·ti·cal
əˌklēzēˈastək(ə)l/
adjective
of or relating to the Christian Church or its clergy.
“the ecclesiastical hierarchy”
It’s just another part of the sheep disguise they use to hide the mange that’s infesting their pathetic wolf hide.
And don’t forget they use the word “parishioner” too. AS IF! The word parishioner relates to the Catholic Church. But they have no shame…..
Yes, it is very annoying. But Scientology believes it can define words as it wishes. Got that from Hubbard. Plus Scientology wears pseudo-Christian symbols as camouflage to keep up its religious pretense: it’s a “church” — self-named; it has ministers; they can wear the priest-type collar; they started Sunday services way back; their “ceremonies” for certain life events sound religious; the Scientology cross looks Christian (it is almost certainly the Crowley Tarot cross that “exes” out Christianity); and so on.
They are not ecclesiastical. They are the farthest thing from it. They are money-hoarders and slave masters hiding behind a pretense of pseudo-religion based on a fantastical pseudo-science.
Like Eminem, the church is whatever they want it to be.
I love the Ariel Castro analogy…almost as much as I love that “scientology” is all in lower case!!!
Hi Mike… if you ever get a chance to expand on two items I never heard before that would be great… I know the UK press would love to know about the soccer pitch that was built to impress David Beckham as I’m pretty sure this has never been reported… also, it’s the first time I’ve ever heard of the Miscavige dinner with Ron Howard…
any way, great stuff!
Oh Dave, please, please, please do a Freedom magazine covering this subject like you did for the St. Pete/Tampa Times stories. Please, please, please.
Really! Please do! Their own “dead agenting” material I was “asked” to read convinced me of the truth of the Truth Rundown story in the St Pete Times.
Mat, naughty boy. You really made laugh with that one.
Some one on OT7, yet is No Case Gain?? Clear, but No Case Gain??
As Leah so artfully pointed out, they do not do a very good job of selling the workability of the tech in making statements like this.
This is such a knee jerk (with the emphasis on jerk) reaction. It really is automatic. When someone leaves, it invalidates everyone else who’s still in. I mean, why would ANYONE leave Scientology? We have all the answers to mankind’s questions? If you leave, you lose your eternity! Hubbard is God! And on and on and….When people leave for whatever reason, it’s open season on that person or persons as Leah found out. But the best thing of all is, they have no idea how stupid they look doing this. Stupid cult…
Scientologists disconnect from each other constantly! What a hugely dumb thing to say!
“Where’s my ED (Executive Director)/ Reg (salesperson)/ Auditor?” “Oh, he was declared. Here’s the new guy.” CONSTANTLY. It doesn’t even have to go down the “friends and family” highway to penetrate as a lie. It’s one of the first things people learn in Scientology, to not ask after the “suddenly disappeared” people.
David Miscavige, it’s too bad you were so poorly educated. It really shows.
Mike, I’m so so sorry about your kid. What monsters. I hope you reunite, and repair-as soon as possible.
Yet the cult also said publicly that disconnection is voluntary. So, it DOES exist, but it’s voluntary? Or does it NOT exist? Nutters. I’d love to ask Tom whether he has disconnected from his youngest daughter “voluntarily” or is he just the worst father ever? Or was that part of the divorce settlement? Isn’t it such a coincidence that almost every ex-cult member has the same story. Huh. I wonder how that could be?!?
I just finished Leah’s book ‘Troublemaker’ and was quite touched by it – she really bares her soul and gives us an insight into her involvement with Scientology in a sincere, humorous and self-effacing way. The Church in attacking her is just so much wasted effort and will only work against them (what else is new). For those once in, I believe much of what she says will resonate with you, and for those never in, it will serve as a warning to what’s in store should you choose to become involved. Highly recommended.
Michael, not only what you said, but, the avalanche of bad press is is overwhelming them. More books about the cult are sure to follow. They’re taking body blows to the mid section…..
Dear Press,
Please go on line on line and download L Ron Hubbard’s “The Responsibility of Leaders” The Story of Simon Bolivar.
David Miscavige had this essay from Ron leather bound and given to celebrities. This essay, written by Ron, justifies violence and murder to protect power.
This essay is the very root cause of violent and insane behavior demonstrated by David Miscavige.
As a young boy Mr. Miscavige had anger and violence issues. This essay gave religious justification for violence to protect himself, David Miscavige.
Thank you
Dear Press,
Here is the link to the PDF of “The Resonsibility of Leaders.”
This writing is from Hubbard’s “Organization Executive Course”. So all Scientology executives must learn this. This is one of the root causes of Scientology’s sleazy tendency for black ops (black operations) against critics.
David Miscavige has mastered and internalized this para military way of dealing with critics.
This crazy behavior of Scientology can be found in Ron’s writings.
THIS ONE IS A DOOZY. AND IT IS DAVID MISACVIGES PLAY BOOK.
http://www.suppressiveperson.org/sp/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/HCOPL-Responsibility-of-Leaders.pdf
Here is one paragraph from L Ron Hubbard’s “The Responsibility of Leaders”.
This is the mindset of those running the “church” of Scientology.
“When you’re close to power, get some delegated to you-enough to do your job and protect yourself and your interests-for you· can be shot, fellow, shot, as the position near power is delicious but dangerous, dan- gerous always, open to the taunts of any enemy of the power who dare not really boot the power but can boot you. So to live at all in the shadow or employ of a power, you must yourself gather and USE enough power to hold your own-without just nattering to the power to “kill Pete,” in straightforward or more suppressive veiled ways to him, as these wreck the power that supports yours. He doesn’t have to know all the bad news, and if he’s a power really, he won’t ask all the time, “What are all those dead bodies doing at the door?” And if you are clever, you never let it be thought HE killed them-that weakens you and also hurts the power source. “Well, boss, about all those dead bodies, nobody at all will suppose you did it. She over there, those pink legs sticking out, didn’t like me.” “Well,” he’ll say if he really is a power, “why are you bothering me with it if it’s done and you did it. Where’s my blue ink?” Or “Skipper, three shore patrolmen will be along soon with your cook, Dober, and they’ll want to tell you he beat up Simson.” “Who’s Simson?” “He’s a clerk in the enemy office downtown.” “Good. When they’ve done it, take Dober down to the dispensary for any treatment he needs. Oh yes. Raise his pay.” Or “Sir, could I have the power to sign divisional orders?” “Sure.”
L Ron Hubbard.
THESE QUOTES FROM L RON HUBBARD WILL CAUSE YOUR BRAIN TO FREEZE. THESE TYPES OF CONCEPTS ARE STUDIED AND LEARNED BY SCIENTOLOGISTS., AND IS WHY SCIENTOLOGY IS SO LOONEY AND DANGEROUS
http://www.xenu.net/archive/infopack/5.htm
And this is a training routine ( TR-LIE) that Scientology operatives practice or have practiced to teach them to lie and be believed.
In Scientology lying is accepted if it protects Scientology or David Miscavige or Ron.
If you’ve ever asked yourself, “is Scientology constantly lying about critics or those that have left the “church”?
The answer is yes. Scientology OSA operatives ARE actually train to lie.
http://www.xenu.net/archive/go/trs/tr-l.htm
All Sea Org staff will drill MANY times how to “tell an acceptable truth”. That is their term for a believable lie. It isn’t just OSA operatives. It is done with EVERY person in the Sea Org, down to the lowest dishwasher. I was in the Sea Org for 27 years. I was only in for a few weeks when I was first drilled to a pass on telling “an acceptable truth” as a tool to protect Scientology’s interests. It was a few years later when I was subjected to a mind control process called the Truth Rundown. That is when you witnessed or experienced an inconvenient truth and the effort is made through “auditing” to make you doubt or no longer believe what you saw or experienced. It is an effort to alter the truth in ones mind.
I’m sure there are some North Koreans and Catholic priests who want to know if the “truth rundown” works. No, its pretty lame but if you apply the “acceptable truth” drill well enough you get left alone. 🙂
Thank you Matt,
Since the media is in full alert now, I think it’s so important for all of us to tell the story.
Anyone on Mike’s blog, tell your story here. The world is watching.
Leah has added to the already strong current to reveal the evil tendencies of Scientology.
Evil is not too strong of a word here.
Ask any mother who was disconnected by their children, children disconnected by parents, people who lost jobs through disconnection (the Feds should look into job discrimination), friends who lost friends., businesses who lost clients.
The pain is real.
My wife was fired from two jobs because I was critical towards the “church.”
In real Scientology, it never really works out that way:
“Sir, I finally filled the Org Board at Int, and began arranging offices according to your plan, to be completed shortly.”
“Well done Shelly! I knew you could take care of things while I was gone.”
I am about a third of the way through Leah’s book now. I love how she tells the story. It is as if she is right there in your space relating her experience. David Miscavige will I hope read the book so that he can stay on top of it. It would be such a pleasure to see his reaction to Leah’s story after he tried so hard to stop her from leaving the cult. Like Marc Headley and the rest of us here she is blown for good.
Wow all I could say is pretty “far fetched”
Thanks very much again, Mike for all of your hard work to help crush this cult.
I just can’t wait for DMs father’s book to come out.
Neither can DM because he keeps ordering spasms of Internet domain buying of anything related to Ron Miscavige or possible book titles.
He really doesn’t grok the Internet. Parked domains with no content are worthless, less than purchased clicks from Pakistan. It’s just an empty stat that his butt-kissers use like a pacifier or a please-don’t-hit-me shield.
David Miscavige couldn’t catch a clue if he smeared himself from head to toe with clue juice and stood naked in the middle of a clue field at the height of clue mating season with a clue-call. He’s clue-proof.
Well when I’m looking to buy Miscavige Sr’s book, I wouldn’t be Googling his name, I will go straight to Amazon & buy the book. DM’s ridiculous control freak issues with buying up domain names is hysterical. Once again, as with buying real estate that remains empty, he’s throwing cash around to buy things in the hope he can keep control. What a joke but this is incredible material to read over my morning coffee!
Yes, I was wondering when Dave’s father’s book is scheduled to come out?
Great job on this, Mike!
Leah Rocks! COB Rock Slams!!!!
To manipulate a child like that is…..just pure evil. The end is near for you and yes it will be EPIC!
No shit, Joe! It’ll be beyond EPIC. It will be the biggest story for the media to pick up. Again, party at my place at the beach…
Yes, the media will pick it up. About a week after you read it here and on Tony’s blogs! LOL
I am so there, Surfer!
P.S. It is truly sad, so sad, the camaraderie and meaning of friendship in the Church of Scientology, has become so non existent between peoples, that Leah’s allegiance to Mrs. Miscavige, feeling of responsibility for that friend, is simply categorized as “stalking” and “obsession”.
It has become a brutal, unthinking, disloyal, human valueless, society. When inquiries about someone you cared about, are written off as some kind of insanity. For anyone still thinking they lost “friendship” in that culture, this should give you a moment to reflect.
People you have known, worked with, lived with and co existed with, for years, can vanish, and nobody mentions the name again. And if you do show concern or curiosity, the rug can be yanked from under your feet in a heart beat.
Good point. “Friendship” in Scientology often translates to having similar overts against ones own awareness thereby further cementing in the mechanism of cognitive dissonance. Once one gives up himself he can then become a “Scientologist” which is something else, not the person himself. Hubbard was right. At some point we all have to “run out” Scientology on our time tracks. I regard the process that I described above as being analogous to Hubbards definition of a “cluster making incident” . Tom Cruise is a GREAT example of a Scientologist in the best/worst way.
Good point Doug!
Oracle: I met another scientologist on the phone back in 1977. She’s still my best friend. And my wife, as well. See? There is *some* value in the czerch! LOL
That was the BEST zinger of the 20/20 interview. When they said that Leah was like a dog with a bone about Shelly and Leah responded “That’s what the church taught me to do.” It was just such a great way to throw their “tech” right back at them.
Mike, for a split second I had to imagine what it would be like if the world didn’t have you out there relentlessly exposing and “dead agenting” the spin from the “church” of scientology. It made me shudder. Thank you for everything you are doing.
Adding my sincere thanks as I echo this comment. But I wish that you, and every other kid who grew up in the cult had a chance to skip this part of their lives. I know there are things that make us stronger, but sheesh, kids deserve more.
I’m not sure if it will be the Narconon implosion, or the celeb implosion, or the voices of the exes that kills off Scientology, but no matter what it is, you get to take huge credit.
Wishing every ex here much luck and happiness. You all earned it. Glad to see so many out and doing well.
I wish to echo that sentiment. ….”Wishing every ex here much luck and happiness. You all earned it. Glad to see so many out and doing well. “
Thanks, Doug. I too went through Hell with this cult. But, when you leave, all of a sudden, you get your wonderful life back! At least, that’s how I felt when I left. I had a great life before getting involved with the cult and I have an equally great life after getting out in ’82. Really, it’s just like night and day….
If nothing else, one thing resonating with the public is that it seems to take scientology about 30 years to realize what horrible people they’ve had either running the organization or taking their fortunes. Oh yeah, they come off as vicious and creepy cold.
Thanks so much Leah for giving all of us a voice. And thanks so much Mike for clarifying that voice.
I was “in” for 40 years.
You are both beautiful people… Brings me to tears.
+100
Well said Robert!
Forty years…..Robert, I don’t know how you did it, but, I’m certainly glad you’re now out and posting here. You must have a wealth of knowledge about the cult.
May the best day of your past, be the worse day of your future.
I cherish many of my memories. I, too, left around ’82 after about 17 years. I got a lot out of it. As I’ve said so many times, in any scam, there has to be *some* Truth or the scam folds very fast. I have no idea where Hubbard got his information. But I did find a lot of it useful. Still do. And I’m a bit wiser for the time spent in and what I learned. And I’ve never been happier. And before anyone gets into a furor, I do not, in any way, support what the czerch has become. Nor would I ever recommend anyone “try it out”. But I’m damned if I’ll throw the baby out with the bath water!
Should the Church choose to do their own Liability formula, it will be an unfortunate revelation. They won’t be able to get past the first step. “1) Decide who are one’s friends.” Like every totalitarian organization in history, even the most powerful of tyrants eventually wake up and discover they no longer have any friends.
I just finished reading Leah’s book. And I will tell you what I think. What the Church says does not matter.
She is telling the truth and you know it when you read the book. She speaks in a voice that people can relate to, real people and people that like to keep it real. People will be able to relate to this book like no other book that has even been published. It is grass roots, sincere, open and honest.
This is going to cause an avalanche like no other shift that has happened before in the Church of Scientology.
It is one book, but thousands of voices who could not find the words or the way. Everyone in America will be able to hear and identify with this voice of Leah Remini’s. The way she was set up for losses, constantly underestimated and discounted, used and abused.
This is a tornado nobody saw coming. There is nothing the Church or David Miscavige or Tom Cruise could possibly say, to make this truth go away, and this power vanish.
So eloquent and so true.
Thanks Oracle. So true.
This book will SELL. Got it yesterday and yes, it was
prominently displayed in a big bookstore and yes, a
lot of people had been in the whole week before it was
published asking for it. Great also to see that “Blown For
Good” is selling so well on Amazon. Books are dissem!
Books make booms.
LAUGHTER! LAUGHTER! ON THE FLOOR!!!
I’m a never in who has been following scientology since I watched the South Park episode “Trapped in the Closet” with my then teenage son 10 years ago. My family finally understood why I was so interested in it after watching “Going Clear” on HBO last spring. Yesterday, while visiting my folks, my mom told me she’s reading Leah’s book and I haven’t even gotten around to that yet! She mentioned specifically Tom Cruise’s daughter’s response about not visiting her mother because “she’s a fucking SP” and continues to be horrified by the disconnection policy. When a mainstream retiree in the Midwest, who lives 200 miles from the nearest org, who has never shown much interest in scientology is pissed, you know how damaging that book is. I’m sure she’ll be passing it around to her Mah Jong group and her other lady friends who lunch with her. Yeah, scientology is doomed.
Another one bites the dust.
KAPOW!
Dave,
YSCOHB
And I think He is beginning to like it! It is much better than His alternatives.
Dave’s been doing that for decades….
David Miscavige must not have a very high opinion of Scientologists, because just about any of them at this point SHOULD be able to see through the lies. For years I had the hope that Misacvige would be tempted to be drawn out into the open and shoot himself in the foot on the churches very own website. That hope has been fulfilled. I guess it was just a matter of time. Thanks Mike as always.
Mike quoting you:
It was not one of your questions, but we will answer it right now. We are very happy that Ms. Remini is no longer in the Church. She needs to move on with her life.
It’s like Ariel Castro, after the 3 women escaped from his basement, stating: “I am very happy those women are no longer in my house. They need to move on with their lives.”
Me: Boy, that is a good analogy or comparison.
That can’t be more succinct!
Bull’s eye!
Dio
In these 9 letters to ABC one is written by Mike Rinder’s own daughter. It is horrific and shows to what extent Miscavige will embroil to turn a child against his own parent.
My good friend ID “HelluvaHoax” on ESMB wrote a beautiful rebuttal to this. I could not have said it better myself.
Here it is~~
Thanks for the links demonstrating just how fantastically eager the Operating Jihadis are to lie about anyone and anything that reveals their “church’s” fraud, black ops and terrorism.
I read the letter by Mike Rinder’s daughter too. My, my, my–for a “religion” that was certainly shockingly hateful. But, perhaps not so shocking when one considers that Hubbard’s courses, policies and “holy scripture” literally teach Scientologists to hate, “attack”, “shatter”, “lie”, “trick”, “destroy” and “deliver effective blows” to their “enemy”.
Here’s an excerpt:
“Then, when we went to see him a few years ago in Florida to speak to him about the situation he created, he viciously attacked my Mom and caused her permanent physical damage to her shoulder requiring surgery. You can be sure, at that point, I disowned him forever.”
“…we went to see him a few years ago in Florida to speak to him”: TRUTH: Nobody went to Florida to “speak” to Mike Rinder. However, what did happen was a large posse of Scientology thugs and black ops “missionaries” (including his ex-wife and daughter) were “fired” in military fashion to Florida to ambush Mike Rinder. These people had been trained and drilled before flying across the country to accost Mike. Once in Florida, they stalked and then suddenly descended upon him in public, swirling around him in a terroristic manner while simultaneously screaming all manner of abuse at him. In the process, they terrorized a local doctor who had to lock their medical offices and call the police.
“he viciously attacked my mom….”: TRUTH: Never happened. Mike was minding his own business, living 3000 miles away from “mom”. Then “mom” flew thousands of miles to gang-attack her former husband, because senior church management ordered her to. Part of the Scientologist’s strategy was to provoke or force Mike to defend himself–and then try to frame him for assault or other crimes he never committed. This is pure Hubbard scripture, to “find or manufacture crimes” on one’s enemy (see story of Paulette Cooper).
“I disowned him forever…”: TRUTH: Before the Scientology vigilante crew ever set foot on the airplanes that flew them to Mike’s home town in Florida, they had already disowned, declared and disconnected from him. Because he dared to reveal some of Scientology’s dark secrets. Cult “ethics policies” already demanded that all Scientologists disconnect from Mike, so the ruse about going to “talk” to him or the absurd lie that they (after going to Florida) then disowned him is laughable.
Scientology: The tech is not as complex as one might think. It only consists of lying. Lying to the public to get their money. Lying to each other about the tech working and achieving non-existent states of “Clear” and “OT”. Lying in the courts to prevent judgments and convictions. And, lying to themselves about everything contained in this paragraph.
Thanks Karen. And thanks to HelluvaHoax”
I will get around to that letter sooner or later.
Just so you know, I am planning on attending the next family vacation at Disneyworld. My invitation to the last one must have been lost in the mail… I’m sorry they miss me so much that they hold it against me that I didn’t show up for their get-together! 🙂
Wouldn’t that be a great reunion to film, Mike??? LOL
Karen, remember the “I Want to Go Clear” and the “I Want to Go OT” clubs? I don’t know why David Miscavige doesn’t just rename the Sea Org the “I Want to Get Implanted Club”. It would be closer to the truth than “LRH’s Personal Team”. 🙂 In all this madness Karen, there is still enough space for a little humor I think! 🙂
I was implanted once, Lawrence. But the other plants rejected me. I guess my roots were too shallow….
Me too. 🙂
Wow! So you’ve experienced Plant Disconnection too, huh? You are my brother…
Greetings Lawrence.
Good comment 🙂
Wow, that Mike’s daughter can come after him like that leaves me speechless. On the other hand, she thinks she’s doing the right thing. That’s the insidiousness of scientology. The group is all, the family is nothing. Individuals are nothing.
It was a big mistake to go against someone like Leah. But then Miscavige is known for big mistakes. He’s a gonna.
Imagine how devastated she’ll be if she ever wakes up….
Some people hate to see their ex-spouses doing well. Karen will never be in that position, unless being imprisoned for life in the RPF is “doing well.”
WOWZERS, the Leah news is making page one internet
every hour with new juicy tidbits and exposure of the
Church of Miscavige. The secret bride selected by the COB
for Tom Cruise was told to “be more aggressive with Tom
and put your hands down his pants when you see him !!!!”
UHHHHH, this was advice from a SEA ORG Exec with orders from
David Miscavige. Of course I’m not interested being a man of the cloth
and all of that but,,,,, does anyone have the Polaroids ?
Should have heard Leah on the Howard Stern Show today. Millions more know the real truth.
Now that’s some really great news!!! I didn’t know she was on his show. And you’re right, with Howard, his fans are in the millions…..
I heard the show. Surprised the New York Org is still standing. Leah and Angelo are ruling celebrities on the East Coast. Leah is the face and voice of New York City, and Angelo is more popular than Billy Idol, all the way down to little Cuba in Florida.
Yet when you hear how Leah was continuously discounted in the Church and treated like a servant, you have to wonder who and how these Sea Org execs had the idea they could ride and deride her like that????? I mean, it is shocking.
One of the top execs called her a bitch right in front of her husband. I mean, I would love to pull the string on something like this. Why oh why, ?!? top Sea Org execs could not have or show respect for these people??? What ideas were in their head that made them think these people were servants of the Church, employees of the Church, targets for abuse and K.R.’s??? I mean, it was like the group had a not is on Leah’s beingness and identity.
Was it because they viewed her as “X S.O.”, was it racism, did they discount her because when she was a kid she was in the Sea Org for a few months???
I mean, there was something very dysfunctional there. Tommy and Jess treating her like a junior ordering her all around the place. I mean, these Sea Org execs were REALLY TRIPPING! They felt entitled to call her a bitch in front of her husband!!!!
Why? It is bizarre! I guess you have to read the book to really get the full picture. But it just went on from day one to the end of the last chapter!!! Her senior on the EPF took her out on a boat in CW and threw her in the ocean as a reprimand for going to the pool. Why would you feel entitled to do this to someone else’s child?
And with Jessica calling Mexicans “Beaners” at the wedding ???? What is wrong with these people??
It is as if it would have KILLED one of them to write a commendation for Leah Remini. And they turned every help flow she gave them into an ethics tragedy!!! They has to be a string behind this.
Anyway, the book is a testimony of suppression and abuse. And anytime she spoke up, she was accused of “being rude” . As if she didn’t have “the rank” to notice an outpoint!!!
COB works in mysterious ways.
That Sea Org Exec was none other than Jessica Feshback Rodriguez Davies. She also leaned over to J. Lo during the wedding, and mentioned she was “married to a beaner” , (Mexican).
Can you believe that????
After Leah reprimanded her, she wrote reams of KR’s on Leah resulting in Leah being tortured at Flag for months.
Leak donated a million dollars to the Church. Wonder what the Church had to pay Sea Org Royalty Tommy Davies and Jessica when they left, on gag orders?
This has made my day.
Scientology is like a Ships Party in Bangkok
But,being a man of the cloth I wouldn’t know anything
as sordid as these Sailors affairs.
Of course (snicker, snicker) you wouldn’t…..
Always wet to the Christian Science Reading Rooms.
Never in those Wild Lady Boy Bars.
FOTFLMAO! So you always what, ‘wet’, the floor of the Christian Science Reading Rooms? And they didn’t stop you? Cool! Jose, you have magnificent OT powers! I’ll be your loyal servant…
Laughter!!!
wowwy! again, my heart, this is so amazing…your response and wording are perfect. I gets me! How can being so dishonest feel OK? I cannot fathom their minds. They surely have no hearts or souls.
petlover – “They surely have no hearts or souls.” Not all of “them”. Most Scientologists are nice people who are misled. It’s cultism. It pulls you in so deeply you don’t even realize it until you are out.
most Scientologists that I met were numb and cared little for others. That includes my OT ex & his mother. I was “in” for 27 years., The lies, the tale telling and using of others for “stats” only proves that the members are no better than their teachings. They may be misled: BUT THEY ARE ADULTS! Shame on those who do not speak up. Which only leads to more cruelty.
Also, I had the pleasure of speaking with L. Remini @ her book signing in NYC, about one hundred people showed up. standing room only. Haggis spoke also. The showed warmth & humanity.