Here is some more “thinking” from a good scientologist about the “alleged” virus and “alleged” pandemic.
Of course, every organization and group has its fringe crazies and it is unfair to paint all scientologists with the same brush…
But it is also true by my experience that when it comes to issues relating to the medical/mental health arena, scientologists do tend to be proudly on the fringe. A healthy disbelief, or even contempt, for these professions aligns entirely with Hubbard. He practically mandates it as an article of faith. On the whole, I would say a way higher percentage of scientologists than one would find in the general population tend to be “into” conspiracy theories about how doctors/psychs/drug companies are plotting to keep the population scared and sick. Within scientology this is NOT considered to be “fringe.”
This guy proudly gives his scientological credentials at the end of his email, along with his pitch “Free Cures For Almost Anything”. And as an OT 4, SRD and KSW Course completion he is not just a wayward “squirrel” — he is mainlining the scientology KoolAid. So mainline that he lives in Clearwater and a quick glance at his Facebook profile shows he is friends with every prominent scientologist in the area.
As I keep saying, you can put lipstick on a pig, but its still a pig.
From: Dave Kushin
Sent: Apr 11, 2020 9:55 AM
Subject: THE VIRUS SCAM EXPOSED
This is a partial summary of my research so far:
1. According to my research there is no virus causing any alleged “pandemic.”
2. The alleged virus particles are actually exosomes, which are normal particles excreted by cells for various purposes, especially in response to toxins.
3. The testing is (at best) very inaccurate — the inventor of the test used for the alleged virus, Kary Mullis, won a Nobel Prize for his invention but stated that the test should not be used to test for viruses.
4. The statistics — number of cases and number of deaths — are very easily manipulated and are false. The overall death rate has not increased during the alleged “pandemic.”
5. Even if there is a virus causing an illness, the social distancing, closings, lockdowns, etc. are completely unnecessary, extremely damaging, and will cause far more deaths than any alleged virus.
6. This is a very good short article:
Is Coronavirus Contagious? by Sally Fallon . . .
https://nourishingtraditions.com/is-coronavirus-contagious
7. I have much more data, including videos.
8. I know how this hoax could be quickly exposed.
Please let me know your questions, comments and if you would like more data . . .
OSD:
I did the next best thing. My last auditor on the Freewinds was Joan Heller, the OTVIII review auditor.
(My case level was only Clear.) She got a read on a correction list PTP? and pulled the statement out of me that I was dying. I tested positive for HIV and was off of the ship a few days later.
6 months later I had dementia and was sleeping 22 hours a day. My wife called the ship and was advised to put me in a hospice to die. Instead she took me to a doctor and I recovered.
A few years later I was at AOLA doing my Solo Certainty course.
I was in the elevator when the doors opened and Joan Heller stepped in. She freaked when she saw me.
I said ” I guess that you did not expect to see me again’.
She said ” No, I really didn’t” She looked like she had just seen a ghost.
According to his research…let me try that again:
ACCORDING…to HIS…RESEARCH…?
And what “research” would that be?
Amazing.
I thought I had been amaze-proofed but, no.
This guy has a death wish.
Is it possible that he REALLY doesn’t know what’s going on, or, knowing it, being aware of the situation, is, somehow, for some reason, trying to “not is” it?
By the way, thanks to everyone who sent their condolences the other day. Very kind 🙂
Forgive me, fellow Rinderites, I can’t help it.
Yo Dave Kushin!
Ok, I’ll bite!
There’s no virus.
And this non-virus is is not contagious.
So President Trump was right after all?
It IS all a hoax!
Have you let the President know?
Because El Presidente seems to have changed his mind, you know, from what he was telling us all back in February.
Perhaps you should gen him in, Dave.
He’ll LOVE to be told how its all a hoax and how we can reopen the country once again and get the economy rolling again and get everyone back to work again – this will go over VERY well, Dave K!
President Trump may even quote you in his next Rose Garden Coronavirus briefing and credit Scientology with this amazing insight and all your solutions, etc.!
Of course, we still don’t know what the problem IS that’s killing all these people.
But then, YOU know what it is – right?
Well, gollee, don’t SIT on this information!
Don’t bother disseminating to rank and file ordinary people!
Go right to the top!
Tell President Trump!
Tell HIM what has to date killed over 100 thousand people!
This is “new news”, Dave!
KRC, Dave!
Knowledge, Control, Responsibility!
Its YOUR responsibility, Dave.
Get this truth about the Coronavirus Hoax immediately over to the White House.
Get it to THE MAN who can “Do something about it.”
Don’t hesitate!
We are waiting breathlessly!
Much love,
Aqua
That place ( any of those “churches “), are a ticking time bomb waiting to be infected.
Why do so many scientologists celebrate religious holidays like Easter and Christmas? There is no Jesus and no God in scientology. They claim you can be an active Christian and a scientologist at the same time, which is simply not true.
Jethro, sorry to say it but I believe it is just PR.
I received my scio booklet “How to Keep Yourself and Others Well” today and I’m sure glad i did because I learned that washing my hands was vital in not passing along the virus.
Also, I misplaced my “Way to Happiness” booklet and can’t remember if you are or are not supposed to murder people. If anyone has it and can let me know whether that’s the right or wrong thing to do please let me know. Would really appreciate it.
George:
The reason that you do not remember is that there is no yes or no answer.
If it benefits the cult it is not only OK to murder but it is not OK to fail to murder.
Another sad tinfoil cap wearing crackpot that lives in his own weird little reality.
Isn’t it the highest irony when a scientologist tells you that he’s not going to fall for any conspiracy theory about a pandemic?
That is flying hilarious. My favorite comment to date.
Mike old friend can’t see my posts.
Hello Alex. There are several possible explanations why you are unable to see your posts.
This board seems to include some primitive software to create and edit messages. I would describe it as one of the earliest blogging boards. It would seem to be fairly primitive. That is not Mike’s fault.
When you click on “Reply”, the reply you enter is not shown on the blog until the administrator (which is MIke) approves your post and clears it for publishing. Then you can see the post you entered.
All the replies are entered in a “bottom to top” order. So you may find it difficult to find a post you entered some time ago. That is not Mike’s fault. He did not design this software. I suspect he merely chose to use the blogging system because it appeared to work OK for someone else.
All in all, it seems to me to be working fairly smoothly and Mike may have selected this bloging software because it did not appear to cause him many problems. At the time the blog host chooses which software to use, it is very difficult to imagine all future problems and eventualities that he will experience. Some of the problems are just not possible to fortell in advance. There is not much that anyone can do at that stage.
Skyler, thank you. They eventually appeared.
Oops. I neglected to tell you that your posts would likely appear shortly.
I should have begun by saying that. Oh well, a day short and a dollar …. however that goes.
My best wishes to you Alex.
Scientologist can clear this up immediately by volunteering to care for the sick at Flag and all their orgs. No need for field hospitals as Scientology has the largest Relief force on Earth. No need for protective equipment for them as they’re immune. Only SP’s are victims of the expos ones apparently. The planet could be cleared of Scientology within 2 weeks to a month. If ONLY anyone of them were brave enough to back up their moronic conspiracy theories.
Dave Kushin opined:
“3. The testing is (at best) very inaccurate — the inventor of the test used for the alleged virus, Kary Mullis, won a Nobel Prize for his invention but stated that the test should not be used to test for viruses.”
Okay, riddle me this. HOW could Kary get a Nobel already for a test which he developed this year? IMO, it can’t have happened. A LITTLE exercise of critical thinking skills MIGHT be useful, Dave. But of course, as a clapping clam, Dave doesn’t have the &*$!@$ RANK to think about ANYthing, only to parrot what he’s been told to “think” by his seniors in the org.
Kary received a Nobel Prize in 1993 for his PCR test. A version of that test is being used to test for covid….
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis
Hello old friends and friends who don’t know me. I hope you are all following scientific and government advice and simply avoiding human contact and wearing masks and gloves when you have to go shopping.. Here in UK we’ve had over10K deaths as of today. A lot of deaths have occurred because many people think the virus won’t affect them. Their crass ignorance have undoubtably caused the deaths of many. This is REAL and no amount of Scientology/Sea Org “OT Power” can stop it or cure it. It is a VIRUS and it attacks the human body, no matter who you are. I left the SO/Flag in 1982 and never looked back. Looking at it now I am dismayed and sad at the thought that many good intentioned people in Scientology/SO are possibly going to die because of the teachings of L Ron Hubbard and his insane successor David Miscavige.
This nutter you have exposed Mike, is just a menace to society but I hope even hard core Scientologists will regard him as a type I, II or III and ignore him!
Please folks, the reality of a global pandemic is right here, staring you in the face. Don’t challenge it. Be smart. Stay safe and I’ll see you on the other side.
Following my comment, I failed to say that this person Dave Cushing, with his “expert advice” is only promoting death by Covid19. Those who follow his advice and die of Covid19 will be on his conscience.
It is now a proven scientific fact that close contact with an infected person ( symptomatic or not) is a method for spreading the Covid19 virus. Here in Uk young people are dying because they disregarded the advice of social distancing.
Just sayin folks.
I’m categorised as vulnerable because I’m 79
But I’ll be damned if I’m going to be a casualty for being macho or deluded.
David Miscavige and your band of robots beware! With covid19 you are facing reality.
LRh conned you when he brainwashed you into disregarding medicine as a human saviour. It is medicine what is saving lives today.
Against this virus you know very well that your Scientology doesn’t work because you have never believed in it anyway. You have, from the days before the old man checked out, thought that it was all bullshit to make money. That’s why you never wanted auditing or becoming an auditor. I knew you at Flag from when you were a nasty, ambitious youngster.
You saw your chance to become rich and powerful when the old man became sick and incapable. I saw your takeover. I was there before and after.
Now at a time when humanity is at real risk, you have NOTHING that can help. You continue putting peoples life at deadly risk just so that you can continue to make ill gotten money. Your Scientology scam cannot help or cure covid19. A lot of people are going to die because of you David Miscavige
You will sure go down in history at some infamous criminal con artist. Count on that.
Alex. Thank you for your comment and the advice. What you say is so damn real. I live in Italy, same reality. All these crazy people saying that one shouldn’t care or be too much hysterical. They are not in the present i believe to really see what is happening. They are talking dangers.
It has been 15 years since I left Scientology.
I remain skeptical of the medical profession to this day and believe that they must bear a great deal of responsibility for the opioid crisis. I was prescribed Vicodin after having some root canal done recently. Of all the ridiculous and irresponsible things!
Having said that, even back in the day, if I was ill I would make my way to the doctor just like anyone else.
I don’t know who would listen to the nonsense this Dave Kushin dude is spouting, although it would be interesting to know the exact nature of the “research” that he carried out.
2 or 3 days ago on Tony Ortegas’ blog, I forced myself to watch two video lectures given by a little Irishman called Vincent. It has been many years since another human being has made me squirm with embarrassment the way that he did. It qualified , to me, how all those hilarious Irish jokes came to be. Sitting in disbelief of what I was seeing and hearing, I was expecting that, any moment now, some men in white coats would enter the room and politely, just take him away. If that is the end result of $cientology teaching, well………think I’ll just have another drink.
I suppose I’m lucky that I never lost an appreciation of the medical community. That said, Even before scn, our “family preference” was to avoid drugs of any type unless they were REALLY necessary, already knowing that antibiotics were useless against viruses and that their use should be limited to when it was known they could be effective. Part of that was our neighbor who was a teaching physician at a local teaching hospital. It was from him we learned that if Aspirin had been discovered “now”, it’d be a prescription drug. The modern NSAIDS were first prescription-only.
I’m sure his research consisted of watching other conspiracy theory videos on YouTube coupled with his wild imagination.
For the 20 or so years I have known Dave Kushin he has never been allowed on the Flag base. There was a brief time about 15 years ago when his mother died and left him an inheritance $150K ?, Flag suddenly allowed him back on the base. Where he received a lot of auditing. When the inherited money ran out. They kicked him out again.
That’s pretty typical, Chris. Dave Kushin wasn’t NO one UNLESS he had lots of MONEY he could “donate”.
There is a point where it’s not just differences in opinion.
Extreme differences that do not match reality indicates that he has mental issues.
Because of that, I feel sorry for him.
I read the link. It doesn’t say anything useful. It is still a deny.
But with what responsibility can certain bullshit be said? There are evidence and deaths and reports from doctors and virologists.
And then how can one have the courage to say that keeping the necessary distances is of no useful !? Or is it all just related to electric fields? Sorry and the evidence of the contagions?
But how can these scoundrels dare to take responsibility for saying bullshit that can affect (infect) society negatively? How?
I couldn’t find a reference to Kary Mullis saying their Nobel Prizing winning chemistry shouldn’t be used to test for viruses, but they certainly led a colorful life according to Wikipedia. They passed away last year:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis
This guy is pretty much nut. Really spiritually rotten inside.
There are real tens and tens of thousands of dead including doctors and this stoned says such idiocies.
He must have howling monkeys in his head having a party,
This kind of “research” is done by a lot of scientologists I’ve met, going way back.
It consists of googling things (or finding obscure books) that match whatever crackpot idea one may have heard or thought of, and then just reading everything that you agree with. After a while, you feel you’ve really accomplished something, because you’ve spent a lot of time reading things that match your cognitive biases.
The other characteristic I’ve noticed that goes along with this activity is a certain smugness. “I know what I’m talking about. I’ve done the research.”
Where do you think they learned that this was “research”?
In all fairness, it’s not just limited to Scientologists. Flat-earth movement is an example.
Scientologists don’t know about cognitive bias. Just completely unaware of that mechanism.
First off,Dave Kushin is a nice guy and would not hurt a fly.
That said the first time I ever saw the guy about 20 years ago I was in the lobby of the FH,I notified security that there was a homeless person lurking around the front door. The security then told me No its just Dave Kushin !
Its sad Dave Kushin for the past 20 years or so has always been not allowed at Flag mainly because of his appearance and body odor. Yet he is still dedicated to drinking the kool-aid.
Yes and he said he is an FSM of over 100 intensives. What does that even mean? FSM’s stats are number of selectees moving on the Bridge. So instead of counting heads, he counts intensives. If he has 10 selectees and each bought 10 intensives, that would account for his number there. My guess is maybe he has 4 selectees who bought lots of intensives, either all at once, or over a long period of time. So that is not such an upstat when you look at it that way. I think he is using semantics to try to appear upstat as an FSM. It could even be that he only has 1 selectee who over time bought 100 intensives.
He sounds more and more like a kook!
We had a guy doing training who never bathed and his stink became a problem. He was ordered to shower in the Purif area and seemed offended. The result was transformative. He looked very different and didn’t smell at all! It didn’t last though.
Hubbard talked about dirty bodies being an indicator of tone level or case situation. Yet it gets tolerated. I’ve seen a few examples of it.
He is hurting people right now. Send him to the hole!
For the rest of his life!
I’ve noticed that freezoners like to claim that their zany notions are based on their own personal research. No doubt they’re just emulating LRH and his pretentious charade he laughingly called “research. Of course when they say research, they really mean random fantasies they’ve pulled out of their rear ends.
School cancelled for the rest of the year, to “restart” in Sept…..the students will “learn remotely”…..kids being given equipment if they don’t have a computer…… School Taxes are due in August…..BIG BUCKS….everyone home to keep safe from COVID 19..yet COS doesn’t take this serious?
Seems like a Nightmare, a living Nightmare….yet COS is NOT taking this seriously…..
Nearly 500 dead in our state…..thousands tested positive…..yet COS doesn’t take this seriously?
Stores closed, restaurants closed, nearly every place closed…and COS doesn’t take this seriously..
People on Lock Down “forced” to stay at home…yet COS doesn’t take this seriously?
Grocery stores have little to no stock…empty shelves yet COS doesn’t take this seriously?
No masks or gloves or hand sanitizer, or bacteria killing wipes…yet COST doesn’t take this seriously?
Not enough VENTILATORS to help those sick yet COS doesn’t take this seriously?
People are sick and or dying….yet COS doesn’t take this seriously?
No attending church or funeral services for family/friend who’ve died..Cos doesn’t take that seriously
Thousands buried in Hart Island’s MASS Graves…yet COS doesn’t take this seriously?
The supposed claim of millions being “members of COS”….yet BECAUSE they refuse to obey what’s been said about NOT gathering together, staying 6 feet apart….
They WILL lose members & their numbers will dwindle further……..20,000, 19,000, 18,000 …how many deaths will it take David M.
20,000, 19,000, 18,000…1,000?
Balletlady;
What is a few hundred or thousand dead?
Hell, DM himself is probably responsible for that many.
When my wife finally got off the Freewinds after being held there for 6 months while they waited for me to die I asked her D
So would they have held you there until my funeral?
She said that she would not have been allowed to go to my funeral. Some other staff member would have been sent to sign the cremation papers.
Bill, apparently to “them” the ONLY thing important is what we all know is the $$$$…..they’d find the cheapest way to cremate a person as well……like they do with some deceased pets…a mass cremation….
My heart aches for you & all that you personally endured…..I can’t imagine the pain & helplessness you felt. So much heartache for really good people who THOUGHT they were doing a good thing to improve the world…..
I’ve said it before, around my high school Senior year, I had friends & acquaintances involve themselves in the Hare Krishna, Moonies, Children of God…..NONE of them got through unscathed. A really good friend, well…I saw him in Times Square with a partially shaved head, , wearing white “karate type robes”…bells jingling…barefoot…jumping up & down….begging for money. Some of them stayed “in for a year or so…others stayed a few years”….sadly most of them did not fare well in life.
A few had completely disavowed & separated from their families…which caused much heartache & pain to those who loved them….as years went by, some committed suicide.
For yourself…you’ve been left to pick up the pieces & are FREE….which is the BEST revenge you could ever get to COS. For myself & my family & I are so proud of you & wish you well. Stay strong Bill!
Why doesn’t this callous bastard unleash the solution he says he has? It’s right there, and it’s needed. People without a solution dangle it as a possibility.
Imaberrated……
You answered your own question…why doesn’t he……”callous bastard ” that susm it up quite nicely.
“Doctor, we have this patient hollering about ‘exosomes,’ shouting that coronavirus is a hoax. He is disturbing the other patients and staff.”
“Nurse, drop him off at the exosome ward. Stat.”
“Umm, Doctor, where is this exosome ward?”
“Go out the main entrance, turn right, go half a block, you can’t miss it.”
“But, Doctor, that’s a bus stop.”
“Exactly, nurse, exactly. Here, give him this. It’s bus fare.”
Every so often I pull this out. It still makes me shudder.
I was in Div 6 in a tiny mission in Honolulu. And I was good! Very good. I could bring people in like no buddies busyness! And I actually had fun doing it! I’ve been a great salesman for many years.
I had to write up a Success Story, as we all did. However, I didn’t. I just told them it was ok, but, nothing to write home about. BOOM! They were on me in a flash! So I just made up a bunch shit and they let me go.
My Mom came over to see what I had gotten into. She stayed with one of the auditors.
There was a party that one of the guys threw. My Mom just sat there. When we left, I asked her how she liked it. She said, “I hated every minute of it.”
One day all the executives came at me like a thundering heard of cattle, screaming at the top of their lungs. YOUR MOTHER IS A FUCKING SP!!! And boy, they were just inches from me. I was ordered to disconnect from my Mom immediately!!!
So I drove over there and told (now I’m balling my eyes out) my Mom that I couldn’t see her anymore. I asked her if she was freaking out and she calmly said no. That she would get the first plane out.
She was living with my cousin Gail.
When she got to Gail’s place, she took a HUGE amount of pills.
Luckily, for the first time, Gail came home early and found her unconscious. She rushed her to the hospital where they pumped her stomach. She lived.
But, I’ve still never quit gotten over it.
My Mom was a three pack a day smoker. When she left the hospital and got into the car, I asked ‘how bad is it?’ And she replied, I have three months to live. I was devastated and couldn’t stop crying.
She died in my arms.
Oh my gosh OSD I am so sorry that this is the memory you have of your nightmare experience with this hideous, despicable, evil cult. I am relieved you were able to spend some time with your mother before she passed. I’m sure it was a comfort to her that you were right there with her.
Big hugs.
That is a terribly sad story. I can certainly understand where so much of your pain originates. If I had a similar experience, I’m pretty sure that I would have reacted in the same way as you did.
Son of a bitch! What a bunch of monsters! (I’m referring to the people who run these places).
I saw your name and what you said at the top of this and said, I’m not going to read this I’m not going to read this. I know how it ends. But I read this. Yesterday, I relived my mom’s death with my niece because my older sister “doesn’t remember how she died”.
I’m so sorry what happened with your mom. I’m so sorry scientology does that to people. The only bright thing about your post is that you were able to be with her when she died. She was in your arms.
I, too, was with my mom when she died.
Scientology sucks. If scientology tells you that’s the way it should be, you know exactly what to do, the exact opposite of what scientology said to do.
Thanks for reminding people just how harsh scientology really is.
That is sad and painful and all to common of a narrative in Scientwakology. Be strong.
I’m trying to…
OSD…this is truly a heartbreaker…..how evil & heartless they are.
To disavow family & friends (like me to be fully immersed in their “new religion”. The “religion” did NOT want outside influences to convince these same people to leave, so by “shunning” they’ve managed to fully control their new cult member.
A few years later this young man became seriously ill & passed away & his family knew nothing about it until months later, when a friend of their sons who had LEFT that cult told them. The son had been cremated & NO ONE would tell them where his ashes were….a few months later, the grief stricken father suffered a fatal heart attack & died.
So much sadness…yet that same religion lives on like COS.
The last moments of your mother’s life…you HELD HER…she left this world KNOWING that YOU LOVED HER……..keep that peace in your heart OSD……& LIVE YOUR LIFE TO HONOR HER…..a FREE MAN…it’s what she would have wanted you to do.
She forgave you, OSD, for your mistake. She died understanding what you did and why. She died, knowing how deeply you regretted your mistake. She died, knowing you for the good person you are. She died, knowing her responsibility for her own death lay in her own 3 pack a day cigarette habit. If you had never been involved in Scientology and if you had always done everything 100% right with her and for her, that 3 packs a day nicotine habit would have killed her anyway. She died in your arms, loving you and being loved by you. She saw, she understood, she forgave your part in hurting her mistakenly and temporarily. She may not have been capable of communicating what she knew and understood because of the illness but make no mistake, you did not kill her. 3 packs a day meant that she was on a death track. Each of us is who we “is”. We make our own mistakes. We make our own decisions. You did not kill your mother. You loved her and she died knowing that. Hold onto that and be comforted.
Thank you for sharing your heartbreaking story. I cannot imagine how you’ve managed the heavy weight of it. Did you & your mom make peace before her passing? Is that why you left Scientology? You don’t have to answer if it makes you uncomfortable. I hope you have forgiven yourself. That’s what your mom would want
Yes, we did.
With her 3 pack a day, she didn’t last long. I took care of her. When she died, I became orphan. My Dad wasn’t in my life. I was on my own.
Scientology should be banned…
OSD. Thank you. I mean it. I won’t add anything else except that one must have experienced himself these things with the cult to know they are often really this way. They have just deadly fixed ideas.
Wow! I hadn’t heard the story. It was upsetting, in itself, but because I have a related story.
I was declared and my Mum dutifully disconnected from me. She’s 81 years old now and a Flag SO member. I’ll probably never see her again, and I’m worried about COVID-19 getting her, because I consider that Flag has a very good chance of developing an outbreak. I’d like to be with her for the rest of her life.
Wow. The mercy, the forgiveness shown by victims of Disconnection is awe-inspiring, truly.
Imaberrated, I’m so very, very sorry! Having your mom disconnect must have been terrible.
And, your right, you can get COVID-19. Just look at the buses unloading all those cult members! With no masks on.
‘I’d like to be with her for the rest of her life’. I hope you get that chance. I’m so very sorry that it ended that way.
Peace & Blessings to you.
OSD – I can’t imagine the pain that story brings back. I know if one of my kids wanted to disconnect, it would feel like a death. But BECAUSE your heart is far bigger than anything else in your life, you were the one to pick her up from the hospital, the one to be with her as she wrestled with being sick and the one to hold her as she passed. As a mom… I know that blip where you did what you were told and she temporarily let her despair get the better of her, that happened so that you BOTH knew… so you both had that blessed and hard time together.
I know you know all of this logically… you are ALL heart and it comes through in a lot of what you share and it’s why you try to help people lighten up and keep coming back.
The “burden” of a big heart like that is that you feel everything, you feel for everyone blessed to be a loved one in your life. And it’s always why I’m betting you are loved very dearly by those in your family and in your life… you’re not one to let life just pass by. HUGE hugs to you… you’re a gem and a gift. I think you help a lot of people who come here and just when it starts to get to heavy… you have everyone laughing and smiling.
Thank you so very much. When I told her I couldn’t see her anymore, some part of me died.
We were lucky that my cousin, Gail, came home early and found her. You probably know that she took a massive amount of pills. If she had died, I would have been right behind her.
The Earth is also flat.
I knew it!!! I just knew it!!! This will show everyone that the earth IS flat!!!
This will also explain to the world why the Tiny Poobah is so short. It is due to the Earth’s flat headed gravity. It’s been pulling him down all of these years. The creep can’t help it! He is just destined to be a member of the Short Stuff Club.
Is it only religious fanatics who believe in conspiracies?
Like earth is flat, CIA trying to weed out some of the
population, FBI is trying to make us in to a herd, the 5 G
is there to kill us, the chem trails in the sky are poisoning
us etc etc? I only know that when I was in scio most of
my friends were Si Fi and conspiracy theories advocates.
Nothing wrong with Si Fi but thinking everybody is against
us…?!
Rob, nice to see you here on Mike’s blog. There are a few others posting here that got their start in the cult on 2nd South all those years ago. Great memories of listening to Pink Floyd and Eno and drinking freshly ground French Roast. If you’re interested in a back channel conversation, perhaps Mike can pass on my email address to you.
Robitussin DOES indeed have that “Flat Earth” commercial….gotta be true…rght???…right>>????
This guy is living in a bubble within a bubble – far removed from reality, and almost certainly not living in New York City. I wonder if he has a free cure for stupidity.
Thank you for sharing! My mother did not like Scientology but never went to the Org. Looking back at Scientology, I remember pain and death all around me. I thought at the time it was normal and part of life. But after many, many years of reflection, I count the deaths as exceptionally high.
Zola. A cure!? No, unfortunately he is in an end stage and no longer has mental reactions. I’m really sorry.
(By the way what happens now in NYC really touches me)
WHEW!
You can say that again, Belynda!
Very well done Dave! Especially nice job of presenting the facts and eliminating opinion from yer ‘checklist’. Looks like you took a line from El Con playbook …….. of course you have done a lot of research!
Why not cut to the chase and go straight to #7 and #8. You and Sally can present all the rest of your “much more data including videos” and get this hoax exposed. In other words ….. shut the fuck up and git er done ………………… you know ………………. like Dave does.
Besides, ‘everyone knows’ that $cientologists seldom talk, they just get the job done. You know ………. “FREE CURES FOR ALMOST ANYTHING” !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yep …………………………………. almost…………………………….everything. Everything will happen after Oh Tea Ate when you get onto Oh Tea Niner ………Freedom from Almost Anything and Oh Tea Tenor ……….Freedom from Everything including the much sought after Freedom from the Last Vestiges of the Ability for Rational Thought Rundown.
So far Dave the Dildo has been the only completion of that………….. which is why He is so stellar in his oratory and His Inspector General pontifications.
Happy Easter everyone. stay safe and wear a mask in public. Ear plugs are recommended around mORGues as well to prevent random infections from the Oh Cee Aye virus.
Happy Resurrection Day Cooper. Congratulations on rising to a better life.
What? Someone’s going to pop up from the ground? That would be bitchin’.
Well, I crawled out from under my rock today. Found an egg! Always better than laying one!
🙂
Wow, Balletlady.
I knew that it was you just from reading your comment.
A number of people have commented on my will to survive. What I may not have communicated is that I did not do it for myself. I seem to have more drive to help others than myself.
This fits well with being in the Sea Org.
The insanely long hours without sleep; The denial of one’s family and being shot at by the very people you have given everything to, are things no sane person would do for any amount of money.
I did it for my then wife, who did not want to be a widow at 38 years of age after being married only a year and a half.
I also have little doubt that my sanity level had decreased by then. After 23 years in the Sea Otg death was looking
better and better,
Had the organization at the direction of the Captain Freewinds not held my wife against her will I would not have had enough will to stay alive for the 6 months it took for her to get off the ship.
The *Church” talks about it’s “enemies”..
In my humble opinion, they generate all the enemies they have.
Amen Bill! Sometimes we can impact someone else’s life & we are not even aware of it. I am sure as a survivor OTHERS may have seen what you’ve accomplished & said to themselves “Well if someone as sick as HE is can do it….I can certainly do it too”.
Sometimes living for others is what WE need, the WILL to live not for ourselves, but for someone else. In your world then…you wanted to BE THERE for your wife…THAT kept you going & HERE you still are, simply amazing & a TRIBUTE to yourself as well.
Your wife also at that time survived for you. Like I once said to Mike Rinder about his first wife Cathie….
“Part of the hate & resentment she may feel for you (Mike) is because at that time, knowing what was going to happen TO you (Mike)…you(Mike) made the SNAP decision & YOU GOT OUT…& left her & the children behind.
We ALL know what MIGHT have happened to Cathie, dragged in & GRILLED over & over numerous times about “ANY KNOWLEDGE she MAY have had that Mike was going to Blow”…of course Cathie DID NOT know anything since Mike made a SNAP decision to save himself knowing was about to come his way. Cathie no doubt was probably punished as well….hence her hate filled rants against Mike.
HAD Mike said anything to his former wife about his thoughts of leaving, she would no doubt have filed a KR & Mike would have ended up God knows where.
Bill, the years you’ve had as a free man, WELL lived to the best of your ability & the thoughts you put here…have helped others more than you know. As a “never in”…I learned so much because of people like YOU.
Stay strong my friend, stay as well as you can….YOU’VE GOTTEN YOUR REVENGE..because…
“THEY thought you’d be long gone & dead years ago & they must be really pissed to see your comments here”……I DK quite why…but when I THINK OF THAT>>>I CAN’T STOP LAUGHING!!!!”
Balletlady:
Thank you again for your latest comment.
For you, as a never in, to understand the situation as well as you do is great.
I would not have imagined that a ” never in” would understand what I write. Others no doubt have said to themselves, ( a few have posted it) “That guy must be either stupid or delusional to have stayed as long as he did. Thank you.
You are welcome Bill.
To me, when you truly believe with ALL your heart & soul & are deeply passionate in that belief….that you are doing good & really helping,
Despite what you might hear that’s negative…i.e. “gossip/hearsay” you will STILL hang in there do to your strong loyalty…preferring NOT to believe that what’s been said is TRUE.
With ALL that’s been exposed thanks to Mike, Leah, & all those BRAVE former members who helped open the eyes of many…still in, or never ins….it’s boggles the mind to think that people will remain IN.
Yet…FEAR IS A GREAT MOTIVATOR….fear of leaving family & friends they will be disconnected/disavowed/disassociated/defellowshipped from is a BITTER PILL to have to swallow.
I can’t imagine being “up there in years” & this is ALL you’ve ever had, your ENTIRE LIFE is wrapped up in tis CULT…yet you STILL believe because YOU ARE AFRAID NOT TO…what ELSE do you have since all your entire life’s been “handled by COS”.
You have no money, nothing you own & every time you have $$$, you are EXPECTED to “donate it”. You’ve nowhere to go, no health insurance, no car, & you are under lock & key…..FRIGHTENING.
I am so happy for you Bill, that you’ve had freedom to live your life & SPEAK OUT & ENLIGHTEN SO MANY OTHERS. I read all these posts every day & each & every person that posts has something new to say….& I can’t imagine that when you are OUT & breathing free & reading some of the posts….CLEARLY 9n pun intended)…….
…..you WOULD FEEL WHY DID I STAY SO LONG!!!!!
BEST news is….REVENGE is SWEET…as I noted…it must piss THEM OFF that ALL of you are now well informed & speaking out…….& I just love to know that DM is probably not had a moment’s rest since AFTERMATH hit the A & E TV Screen & these blogs are open for everyone to speak out & inform others about their own experiences.
AGAIN THANK YOU MIKE & LEAH & EVERYONE ELSE…
BRING BACK MORE AFTERMATH….
Balletlady:
As you have compared Mike with myself I should point out that Mike was stronger than I.
I would have laid down and died before leaving my wife behind. Fortunately, my wife wanted me to get her outta there. Had I not battled for 6 months to get her out she would still be there and I would be dead.
BalletLady is pretty amazing and someone who’s care for someone she’s never met got me through some tough times with a mentally ill parent.
Bill as another “never-in” I think your story is really powerful. And I think when you share you never know if someone who knew you or knew of you may be reading… or even someone newer, but they ask after your name and see the looks or check your info out online and realize it’s true…
And THEN they start to recognize that if you could’ve gotten out of there – off of the Freewinds of all places, gotten your wife out of there… reading stories of others who’ve gotten out via sheer will and perseverance, then maybe that starts to make the excuses they make to themselves ring a little hollow. Maybe they see through your story, Mike’s and others… that no matter how important, connected or even semi-unknown one may be – that “church” is dangerous and doesn’t care a THING about those who dedicates themselves or for how long. They care about money and extracting every last bit of it, but they care nothing for loyalty or commitment.
You literally took your life back… you’ve likely impacted far more than you’ll ever know! I’m impacted by all you went through… everything happens for a reason and no coincidences. We just don’t always get to see why or who’s path may have been changed because of ours before them. But I’m betting a lot of people who thought you should be long gone, yet you got all “OT” and defied death only AFTER you left, will see you posting and remember from where or how they knew you and be blown away. Your story isn’t one easily forgotten and I believe that’s also not an accident!
I’m so glad they didn’t rob you of your life or your beloved wife!
Your own kind and heartful of wisdom shows the wonderful person you are!
I keep you in my thoughts everyday & wonder how my gorgeous little Haven is doing & big sissy “Nellie Bell” as well & I imagine the littlest one crawling about! I hope the “big brother” is bringing all the toys his “sissies” need to have & older brothers loving them all to pieces…at a safe distance.
Bill is a wonderful man, I’ve come to know him through his phenomenal posts as well. I can’t believe how MUCH I’ve learned just being HERE reading those deep personal stories from everyone.
I am deeply saddened that the Aftermath isn’t on A & E any longer…so so many BRAVE people stepped forward….an eye opener. If it was for Mike’s OWN BRAVERY in setting himself FREE….IF that A & E Series had NOT been on TV….many people would have been unaware or uneducated as to the whims of COS.
Your words of support & compassion for Bill speaks volumes, not only for Bill but for everyone else as well. How Wonderful you are Jen! Hugs to you & your family dear friend!
For friend Bill…You DID the best you could at THAT time….never put yourself down…you are stronger than you know…you ARE SITLL HERE WITH US & that type REVENGE is sweet….THEY thought you’d be gone a long time ago…FOOLED THEM didn’t you!
I thank everyone…I PRAY THAT WHAT HAS BEEN TAKEN FROM YOU IS RETURNED IN THE FUTURE…SOONER THAN LATER.
OMG! He should be serving at the int base just directly under Miscavige!! He sounds so convincing and idiot just like him. I’m sure Miscavige statistics are not false (Just Kidding!!!!) So based on the above al is well and we are all deluded but them who follow blindly COB’S orders.This motherfucker would be arrested down here in italy for uttering such nonsense. The amount of medical personnel who died in their heroic attempt to save as many as possible from COVID-19 would feel a bit upset if they had a chance to answer this idiot.
I suspect even the Still In Die Hard Koolaid Drinkers will not be paying this nutter much mind.
“The statistics — number of cases and number of deaths — are very easily manipulated and are false. The overall death rate has not increased during the alleged “pandemic.”
Um, no.
“The statistics – number of worldwide Scamologists – are very easily manipulated and are false. The overall rate has not increased during the alleged “expansion”.
There, that’s better.
Marco Polo took pasta back to Venice from China 700 years ago . The virus now moved from China to Italy embedded in packaged fettucini, then shipped all over Europe and to Italian Americans and restaurants in NYC. Thus the spread of the disease to these locales.
And now you know the rest of the story.
(Long pause)
Good day.
LOL, Joe! Damned fettucini. And its fattening, too. Marco Polo was definitely an SP.
Great discussion point, Mike. This example of thinking is typical of what one can find on the internet and on YouTube. It is critical thinking taken to an extreme. I think that it illustrates the major problem with the human mind which has resulted in so many wars on this earth. I have listened to at least three other major podcasts which align with this one. This type of thinking is not limited to Scientologists but I am almost certain this guy is following the podcasts.
Hubbard copied Blavatsky on the idea that science was limited and worthless. In fact, you can find almost word for word places where he copied but gave no credit. The problem is that in the two centuries since Blavatsky, science has made major gains.
Personally I take the media with a critical eye especially when I see that the author was obviously paid by a party or a big corporation. My own gut tells me that over half of the CNN posts are slanted by this elitism. But one cannot deny what is happening in New York. I have too many personal connections to believe anything else.
Hubbard had to kill science because he could not understand it let alone keep up with it. Modern Scientologists are saddled with his legacy.