It’s SatTerraDay once again!
For Better or for Worse
Seldom are married couples on the same page when it comes to their involvement with the Church of Scientology and for this reason, marriages frequently end in divorce—both with the couple and Scientology.
Husbands and wives often have different spiritual goals. Despite what the church would have people believe, rarely do both parties place the same importance on “ideal orgs,” “clearing the planet,” and “going free.” And rarely do they feel the same away about Scientology tech, policy, and management. Since Scientologists aren’t allowed to speak about anything related to the church that might be construed as the least bit negative, often times couples don’t know how each other feels about the church. One might think their spouse is gung-ho, when in fact, both are sticking around for fear the other will disconnect if their true thoughts were revealed. The last thing a husband or wife wants is for their other half to think they’re “other determined,” “nattery,” or have “counter intention.” Mea culpa!
Priorities, Priorities, Priorities
Ethics Officers and Master at Arms are quick to point out to those who dither on their Bridge that the work of Scientology and “going free” is more important than marriage—than the whole Second Dynamic. They’ll have infinite lifetimes in which to hook up with a significant other. Nothing is more vital than getting up the Bridge this time around. Husbands, wives, kids, and family pale compared to the importance of going Clear and OT. I speak from experience.
A while back my spouse hazarded a trip to our local org to check on the status of her other half—yours truly—since no one there or at AOLA had contacted either of us in over a year. I waited expectantly in the car, ready to rush inside the org in case she needed rescuing. She returned twenty minutes later physically unharmed.
After the EO explained to her what an out-ethics and degraded being I was, he told her she needed to divorce me if she wanted to remain in good standing with the church. There was no other option for the immediate future. He added that I could always do “A to J”—a series of steps intended to get those declared “suppressive persons” to recant their sins, restudy all of LRH’s works, and “make up the damage done.” Luckily, she didn’t fall for the con, and as I wrote recently, life has never been better.
Despite the PR, the Church of Scientology doesn’t allow couples to remain together if one of them decides he’s had enough or chooses to leave—even if the one leaving doesn’t have anything negative to say about the church. Apparently, management is afraid of disaffection spreading from one spouse to the other. The one “still playing the game” is given an ultimatum: break up or be declared. This line is especially clear in the Sea Org.
Money, Money, Money
Money and finances are major points of contention in many marriages. Rarely do couples agree fully on what’s valuable and indispensable in life. How much they should spend on things is often hotly debated, and without doing any research, I can almost guarantee that financial disagreements are a leading cause of divorce. And since Scientology costs so much money, involvement has led to many breakups. This is exacerbated when couples are forced to max out credit cards, empty retirement accounts, refinance homes, and take out second mortgages.
It’s not unusual for one partner “going OT” to spend a hundred grand more than the other. Husbands and wives often train and audit at different rates. While one might take three or four years on OT 7, the other half might take twice that long.
One couple at “my” local org ran into trouble when the husband used up all his hours at Flag and ended up draining an account his wife had been building for many years. According to the Registrar and all the other staff associated with the “cycle,” using all of his wife’s money was the “greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics.” I’m sure they told the two that once he got “cleaned up” and returned home, he’d be such a powerful being that the money he’d appropriated would be replaced in no time. (About the same time Perth clears the Far East.)
Spiritual incompatibility coupled with financial stress is a recipe for disaster.
Excuses, Excuses, Excuses
I have witnessed many examples of one spouse “going up the Bridge,” while the other quietly employed one excuse after the other for not doing his next level:
He just didn’t have the money;
It was his wife’s turn; once she’d finished her Grades, he’d do his;
Once the kids were finished with school he’d get back into things;
He didn’t have the time. Next year, for sure;
Work was a bitch.
It’s not at all unusual for a wife to have been “doing Scientology” for years while the husband hadn’t done anything in decades. One such “old friend” has been using the excuse that he’s “Flag public” and has to complete one of their programs before he can do anything else.
Last Words
Back in the days when I was on staff, I salvaged more than a few marriages myself. I like to think I was a nice guy, used the “tech” judiciously, and didn’t threaten people. Never did I dangle declare notices over the heads of those who were less compliant.
I wish I could use a little Terra Math to show exactly what percentage of Scientology marriages end in divorce. Alas, I don’t have the figures; I just have my observations. And from what I’ve observed, Scientology breaks up marriages.
Still not Declared,
Terra Cognita
I was single when I was active in scn so I never experienced any problems as in the topic. However, after I left I hooked up with a gal who was an escapee from a small cult called The center For Feeling Therapy which was a squirrel group from Primal (Scream) Therapy. We’d compare notes.
It’s far fetched, but if we had hooked up while we were both active I might have tried to find her ruin and she might have tried to get me in touch with my feelings – a battle of the cults.
I remember having guarded conversations, both of us wary of what might be revealed in session. It was something right out of “1984.” Scientologists are always in danger of getting busted for thought crimes.
Good point about the strain that different levels of commitment to Scientology can put on a marriage, a strain that often turns fatal. I wonder to what extent that operated in the case of mega-donor Bob Duggan, who apparently is now divorced from his wife Trish. Trish was photographed with yet another immense trophy at the recent IAS gala, and Bob was nowhere to be seen. That leads me to wonder whether Trish was the true believe and Bob was moderately interested or just went along with things to humor his wife.
That’s what I wonder. Trish had the relationship with Charmaine who also lived with the Duggans. Maybe Charmaine’s death changed things.
Divorce stats are straight up and vertical in Scientology!
I am sad to say …. Myself included!
Another couple from our tiny Org just announced their divorce on social media….
Like a badge of honor….
Of course – she just got back from Advanced Org “services” where she was gone for several months – training Scientology style to find the WHO to blame why her life sucks
And her Husband is the “WHO” and another family shattered by the tech
I hate this cult!
Isn’t it interesting that the WHO that they point the finger at is never the spouse who is home working and forking over the money? I knew a couple where she was OT VII and went on to do OT VIII and he was much lower on the Bridge and was not reaching for it and hadn’t moved in decades. I think he might have been UTR. In other circumstances the MAA would have called her in and forced he to make him become active. BUT since he had big bucks and paid for all of her Bridge all the way up, they didn’t want to upset the apple cart and so they didn’t insist he do his bridge. Also they never pointed the finger at him as THE WHO because they knew that would end their gravy train!
I’ll take a stab at your block no item: Michael and Liz Bayback??
I asked something about a week ago and am still trying to understand the answers I got. When Terra says “Still Not Declared,” does that just mean that he hasn’t received a formal written notice? Mike says they haven’t given people written declares in 5 years, so nobody is really declared anymore. In this post, Terra says his partner was told what an out-ethics and degraded being he was and she had to divorce him to stay in good standing. So that fits with an unwritten declare, right?
(Btw, I apologize if Terra is a she and I’m assuming “he” based on the gender of his/her partner. I did assume before this that Terra was a she, based on Tara being a goddess name pronounced the same way. I’m not sure if Terra’s gender has been established, but I’m figuring same-sex marriages aren’t very common in the church.)
‘According to the Registrar and all the other staff associated with the “cycle,” using all of his wife’s money was the “greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics.” I’m sure they told the two that once he got “cleaned up” and returned home, he’d be such a powerful being that the money he’d appropriated would be replaced in no time.’
These sort of stories make me think that Steve Fishman’s account in Lonesome Squirrel is not so far-fetched. Tony says that even people who have left the church since then deny Fishman’s story. But since what Fishman described, if true, meant those people were criminals, that’s not too surprising. I’m not saying I take it as gospel — the guy is the epitome of an unreliable narrator. But what he describes in terms of how they trained him to be a criminal is completely in keeping with these stories of how registrars get their money. I figure they had this guy who’s clearly mentally ill, with apparent sociopathic tendencies — I could believe they decided to train his “ethics” to make money for Scientology in extremely unethical and criminal ways.
Scientology is run by a “guy who’s clearly mentally ill, with apparent sociopathic tendencies”
The steps are A-E, A-J are the PTS types. The letters may be similar but that’s where it ends. A-J PTS types are described in the Ethics book, they include Open Minded, Criminal history, connected to Media, connected to SP. and you’re spot on regarding the frequency of disparity and resultant discord on finances and scn commitment. ?
Oh, yes! Xenu forbid that we be open minded! Only every single advance that humankind has ever made has come of it. But the Turd of Tilden knew better so all we had to do was study what he said.
Therefore, being open minded was baaaaad. Lord, what a cult!
One thing that particularly pisses me off about scientology is this bullshit notion of you are either all in or you are not. So, if one spouse is on the fence, while the other has completely imbibed in the toxic koolaid, that relationship is doomed.
This is yet another way to determine, “Am I in a Cult?”
So ask yourself this question, oh lurkers… Are you in a cult?
TC,
Money issues have long been recognized as two-thirds of marriage problems. Add to that the specter of a ‘Hungry Ghost’ (the CoS as a 3rd party) sucking money and energy out of any source it can locate; and you have a conflict that will not end well.
You bet scientology breaks up marriages. Especially since spouses aren’t talking to each other about grievances, when an EO gets wind that one IS or even MIGHT BE “disaffected,” they will get a hold of the other one first and get that other one to commit all manner of sins against their spouse (such as spying, going thru emails, writing KR’s, or even have their “friends” work on the “on board” spouse). It’s quite a burden on both.
It takes real love to understand the weight that true evil can bring to bear on an otherwise healthy marriage.
Mary, they do, indeed, break up marriages. And I’m sure they laugh about it, too.
It’s unbelievable to me that so much money flows into an organization the sells make believe.
They break up marriages and families without pause or remorse.
Spot on Mary
One pays Scientology a lot of $$$$$
To “train” in L Ron Hubbard’s tech
To thoroughly convince yourself
to throw the people you love the most ….
Under the bus
And run over them
With insouciant certainty
That it’s the right thing to do
One actually destroys ones own “dynamics”
Hey Mike: I’m still not getting new post notifications. Wonder how many others aren’t as well.
TC: Him, “How can I tell her I’m disaffected and want out of this madness?”
Her, “How can I tell him I can’t stand this shit anymore?”
I don’t even know what adjectives to use to describe how ridiculous it is when a married couple are too terrified to communicate with each other regarding their opinions on anything.
Let’s use Hubbard himself to invalidate the Co$:
At 4.0 on the tone scale : “Strong, able swift and full exchange of beliefs, ideas.” At 3.5: “Will talk of deep seated beliefs and ideas. Will accept deep seated ideas, beliefs and consider them.”
At 1.1 (the most vicious tone level, per Hubbard): Talks in apparent theta but vicious intent. Lies.
Scientology salesmen in the Co$ are nearly always viciously covert, willing to destroy a person’s family or finances to get the $$$$$$$$. Either that or they are rose-colored-glasses-wearing clueless dupes.
Cheerful people who stay in the Co$ are eventually cowed into fear in many or every area of their lives. They have to come up tone a bit to finally get the hell out of there.
I’m fortunate that my lovely wife agreed with me when I told her we needed to tell them to F Off.
I haven’t received emails since the new year. I’ve had to add Mike’s blog to my favorites on safari.
So is your spouse still not declared after hazarding that trip to the Org to check on your status or did it bring prying eyes down on her?
Terra: One correction: If you are declared an SP you do the A to E steps, and NOT the A to J steps. A to J is a different thing, a list of reasons someone could be PTS and thus possibly denied auditing until that thing on the list of things is handled. A to E steps are amends and other things that you do to get back in good standing after you were declared SP. But one thing you got absolutely right: Scientology breaks up marriages!
Valerie: No idea.
I haven’t had an idea for years. But, I see you don’t have no, too. How sad. A couple of guys with no ideas, TC. Maybe it’s just old age creeping in…
Oh my…
I guess it boils down to a sort of bigamy. In Scientology, one is expected to marry your religion despite your present spouse.
A quick and decisive response regarding rejecting Scio 2D manipulation is a must if you care for your loved ones. It’s a dangerous minefield to have a relationship with someone and being a Scientologist as the same time. What’s that axiom? No two objects can occupy the same space or some such wording.
Hey! You’re in my space, I Yawn!
I slipped!
Disconnection is needed to “keep scientology working”. Without it, without the threat of it, the conditioning weakens, expectations diminish and the placebo effect is nullified. Hubbard knew this.
‘Keep Scientology Working.’ News flash! Scientology has NEVER worked! How could it as it’s all make believe!
Dude. You need a gentle nudge towards the ways of the world. Scientology is pretty much defined internationally now as a fraud, despite whatever Mexico says. Scientology engages in all sorts of criminal pursuits, exampled by coercion, standover/blackmail tactics, personal invasions/surveillance, credit card fraud, enforced disconnections, human trafficking, using religious loop hoop holes in social media etc etc. Plus the use of intentional misrepresentation in courts of law by hiding behind and using constitutional legalities, & all for monetary gain. All in all the currently understood definitions of Scientology proves that “Keeping Scientology Working” very much is doing just that. You need to step over a few corpses to appreciate all this, but it’s all in a day’s (subterfuge) work. How Scientology defines anything is now irrelevant.
It’s not make believe, the lies are very real.
It’s still make believe! The lies hold sway over the members. But, that’s because they want to believe in Super Powers. Everything in Scientology is make believe. You never had something called the reactive mind. Ever…
There is no there, there, and never has there been… just as you say, OS Dude.
The fact is that over the years many people have swallowed the bait, been surreptitiously switched, and endured the awful sort of mind-programming that cults bring to the table. So, something works, but it’s not what is initially represented, it’s the Hubbard worldview added as an overlay to the personal belief system of the individual. It’s a duplicitous money-stealing scam presented as a means of spiritual growth and eternal life. Like all eternal motion machines, there’s someone somewhere behind a curtain pulling levers and switches to make the bells ring and whistles blow and fool the rubes into putting another coin in the slot.
As I’m sure this audience knows, Steven Hassan’s BITE Model of Cult Mind Control explains it well. Scientology relies on Behavior Control, Information Control, Thought Control, and Emotional Control to obtain and retain its adherents. Once they fully adopt the Hubbardian language changes it takes a lot to get a person back into the real world. ‘Gradient’ is their gradual approach to brainwashing, used so as not to scare off potential recruits; members who deviate from this approach commit the serious error of ‘out-gradient’ behavior.
After a long enough exposure to the elements of BITE, the person starts using Hubbardian language in place of the language of their former life. When a ‘thought’ becomes a cognition, ‘wishful thinking’ becomes a postulate, and ‘Ethics’ becomes a punishment office to fear, then one’s Beingness, Doingness and Havingness are in line with Elron, and of course free from enterbulation (as long as the money flows upwards).
It’s fun to review the Dictionary of the secret language of Scientology at
http://www.bible.ca/scientology-dictonary-terms.htm
“Summary: Enturbulated by all the suppressive terminology on ars? Feeling nattery, want to blow? Suffering from severe MU phenomenon? Or are your Body Thetans just acting up? Then RTFM, by Xenu!”
‘There is no there, there.’ And never has been.
Ammo – Thanks for the scn dictionary reference. I never thought of it before, but in some small sense I’m bilingual, English plus Sciospeak. I’ll “take a win” on that.
In fairness I think it should be noted that even though reworded from King’s English, there are many accurate descriptions of human behavior and mental phenomena. Auditors would be familiar with many concepts in traditional psychology.
Yeah, but make believe deserves a better rap than being Scientology oriented. The best part of kid hood is based on make believe. Scientology tells lies, kids don’t, it’s make believe.
Pedantic maybe, practical always.
“Make-believe” can work wonders… ?
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xuzazz (Part I)
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x15miaj (Part II)
tku
Bingo
I can’t find my bingo cards, Mary. Damn! I really wanted to play.
How about Yahtzee!
I’m a pro…
Test
You mean I’m going to be tested? I probably should have studied more.
You guys! I’m testing for Nathan as I’m still not getting notifications like I used to. LOL! No other test, Dude, you can relax!
Whew!
Test? ? What test? Nobody said anything to me about a freakin test! Jeeze! ?
Oh! Is that like the test a dentist does to see if a tooth is still alive? On my…ahhhhh… where’s the door?
They sprung it on us, Eh. I didn’t see it coming. I guess age is catching up with me.
Money is the root of all $cientology and those Power FSM and Case Supervisors want their commission. Everything else is window dressing. Including marriages, children and any economic future.
As been stated here and elsewhere…and will undoubtedly be stated many more times…”IT’S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY.” Upper management, in particular, well knows the world stats and knows well that WORLD STATS ARE SINKING. They certainly have no intention of telling the truth about anything concerning progress. “IT’S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY.” And no matter how many people cough up the funds and go through the OT8 process without any significant change in their fortunes, marriages, or org statistics – including the much lied about international ones – it will continue to be “…ALL ABOUT THE MONEY!!!”
Keep up the great comments, Terra. You’re doing the work of the saints!!!
Once again proving that scientology is a dangerous and vicious cult invented by a sociopathic felon.
Don’t hold back, Wyn.
TC, been there, done that. Good article. Humans are not clones although the bridge is set up that way. I have have observed the same thing. Scientology breaks up marriages, families, friends and business partnerships. Anything else?
When I was on the Freewinds in July 1988 in the middle of OT 8, Hubbard’s Second Dynamic message to planet earth was revealed as part of “Truth Revealed”. As I read the Student Briefing, I looked around the room at the other thirty “OT’s” to detect any reaction. Hubbard was spelling out a sexual adventure which I found perverted. In his need for genetic purity, he was basically asking us to mate and to produce babies for him as part of his intended “reincarnations”. The next step was to invent processes to audit his “Genetic Entity”. I rejected the idea of mating with the women in the room, but accepted his challenge to audit the “Genetic Entity” on my own in solo sessions. Since entering Scientology in 1972, I found that this religion was basically one of sexual freedom. Hubbard placed no rules against second dynamic activity. The orgs and the missions seemed to be living out the Hollywood dream. Accepting Hubbard’s challenge, I used his Philadelphia Doctorate tapes to fashion his “Second Dynamic” vision. In the end, I managed to survive and to avoid having to lure one of the new female OT 8’s into active discussion on the “Second Dynamic”. I think Hubbard was trying to convince us that Scientology was in reality “Theta Transgenderism”. I say this because the textbook that we used was “History of Man”. This book outlines a random pattern for male/female roles. Ironically, Hubbard never considered himself a woman and rarely gave them credit. These current members in Scientology have no real idea where they are going. The fraud needs to be exposed.
Hubbard was full of contradictions and Miscavige has been trying to hide all of that for almost thirty years.
Interesting comment George. Yes, the more in-depth you study Scientology and then actually look at it per Hubbard’s life experiences and then your own, the contradictions are astounding. Hubbard’s life in actuality was a train wreck and he lied a hell of a lot, particularly regarding himself and remained selectively silent concerning his treatment of the women in his life. After all these years it could be proven somewhat easily with much evidence he never once applied anything ethically to himself or what he demanded others apply to themselves and others with his “tech.” Do as I say, not as I do was his specialty. Miscavige knows exactly what his job is, his teacher wrote it all down to offer the one in charge carte blanch to pick and choose whatever reference suits the occasion. Everyone else is just a minion anyway. If the tech worked at all in the Cof$ I wouldn’t need to be writing this… you are so right, ‘the fraud needs to be exposed’.
Another interesting point of Scientology tech is written and on tape in the student hat. It clearly states better than 50% of the subject of Dianetics and Scientology is HOW YOU APPLY IT. Taking Hubbard’s or Miscavige’s lead on that gem of wisdom tells you all you need to know how it will work out for you in the long run.
GW,
‘These current members in Scientology have no real idea where they are going. The fraud needs to be exposed.’ So true. COS is an empty shell, much like the skin shed by a snake. Empty empty empty.
Robertson and LKin developed an address to the GE. Successfully so in my instance.
Great news about the GE address. It is so obvious that David Miscavige is actually transgender. He could use either your remedy or the one I developed on the Freewinds. The poor sap missed the entire point of Hubbard’s later years and thus the entire Church of Scientology is auditing backwards because of his ignorance.
Auditing must be future oriented to get anywhere then? The state of Clear is no more than a financial demarcation line drawn after having dealt with the past according to the first Dynamic. Scientology makes a fortune with that carrot! What game are you playing? Sex is related to what particular business model? I’d invest if a sound response was business oriented.
Did not mean to imply that auditing itself would be future oriented. I meant that Miscavige missed the entire point of Hubbard’s Student Briefing. Miscavige re-hashed OT 7 and just made OT 8 like a resting point. When he releases OT 9 and OT 10, they will be something he dreams up and they will fail. There are tens of thousands of Scientologists who have been fooled by Miscavige. The business model is simple. These people will pay big bucks for Hubbard. I imagine there are at least 1,000 who will pay $100,000 for whatever Hubbard really dished up. There really is no Church of Scientology now.
A few weeks ago someone posted “Captain Bill Robertson’s OT levels”. DM could repackage them and sell them as Hubbard’s “newly discovered work”.
Great idea for Dave.
A few months ago after reading some discussion about “The Genetic Entity” I decided just for fun to look at my body as a separate conscious entity. I spent about ten minutes on it and then bailed out. One word to describe it – Wierd – lol.
I don’t deny that some people are able to assert mind over matter and, for example, comfortably bathe in ice cold water, but I doubt they get there by simply saying “Hey, Body, you’re going to like this!”
Hi Richard,
OT 8 in 1988 was really weird. You can imagine why so many bailed out after that Freewinds experience.
Can vouch that two 8s that did that bs in the late 90s are really not doing well at all. Both have developing dementia, one is worse than the other and they put a great strain on the family close to them. They have to continue working as they are financially destitute. My daughter-in-law now runs the business and looks after their interests from behind the scenes but they are ungrateful and continually try to correct her with a very wacky version of “the tech.” What a horrible scene! I’m glad now they disconnected from me as it’s all going to get very messy, very soon. It’s their know all arrogance I detest the most, they truly bite the hand that feeds them now. I’m not saying Scientology caused their dementia, they are old, but what good is Scientology if you can’t remember you did it?
Some adventurous people will continue to explore the mystical, paranormal and supernatural. I think the Buddha said something like “Just stick with the breathing.” but if someone wants to try something new go ahead.
“Hello George. I’m Richard and this is my body Bill or occasionally Mary. We’re pleased to meet you.” (needs work – haha)
ROFL
Richard: “I think the Buddha said something like ‘Just stick with the breathing.'”
I thought it was more like “Shut up and meditate.”
(I’m kidding George. 🙂 )
My ten minute thought experiment seemed like it was heading in one or the other of two directions, exteriorization or dissociation.
from Webster’s New World College Dictionary:
dissociation – 3 a) (psychology) a split in the conscious process in which a group of mental activities breaks away from the main stream of consciousness and functions as a separate unit, as if belonging to another person – b) the abnormal separation of related ideas, thoughts, or emotion
oops – maybe later – laughter
Okay Terra, you need to clear up some contradictions in your posting. You said your spouse bravely ventured into your local org to check on your status and the EO told her that you could do your A-J to regain good standing with the church. Yet, you sign off weekly with “still not declared”. What gives? Is it true there is not only a shortage of toilet paper in the org shitters but there is also a shortage of goldenrod?
https://otviiiisgrrr8.com/?s=Goldenrod+&submit=Search
Tell me it ain’t so!!!!!!
Nobody declares me anything but myself.
They dumped Golden Rod and went with Light Blue.
That’s a nice colour.
Or, a nice color.
Or, a knice color.
You two wouldn’t have done very well at the school I went to.
The little man COB David M….he’s very vain, so he wanted the color of the paper to match his blue eyes…..they should have left it “golden rod/yellow”….as his liver continues to fail his eyes will turn yellowish anyway………
In 1996 after 20 years of service DMs very own Jenny Linson DeVought gave me 15 minutes to gather my belongings and vacate AOLA. This was because I was on a special schedule locally approved to spend evenings with my Daughter #1 to help her through a difficult time she was having being a teen at the Ranch.
Well, I graduated wog tax school and started a booming business which after 10 years was handling the finances for some 15 families and 10 small businesses.
My prime purpose was to take the financial stress off the families and I put a buffer between them and the registrars. By contract, my clients were not allowed to make their own financial decisions or spend their own money or credit without my OK. I saved more then a few marriages while I got their books in the black and fixed earlier Reed Slatkin investments and bridge credit card spending mistakes.
Yes, this is a problem with Scientology families – disagreements regarding finances. I was supposedly headed back to SO so I never expanded more then hiring a few others to help with bookkeeping but I got calls weekly from many needing my services I simply did not have time to help. Boy do I have stories. What you say TC is true. It’s a very big problem amoungst scientologists. It’s all about the money. No care for the family unit and agreements between couples had little to do with paying the church. The regges knew to get couples when they were apart if it was a tight couple. After all its in Big League Sales.
LOL! I would think that e.g. Mike and Christie are on the same page regarding Scientology! 😀
Don’t know if you (Terra) have a partner, but if so, what is his or her opinion about the cult? 😉
Note to self: lurk moar 😉
I like that. Lurk moar, not less. Lurking – the internet solvent.
I had a club once called the Lurkers. Man, we lurked everywhere. Some people were frightened by us. Good times…