Forget the Cleared Planet. We gotta think BIG!
As they say, every journey starts with a single step…
So, after 65 years, you would think that single step would have been made.
One country done…
How about one city?
How about all the staff in a single org?
The unreality inside the bubble is difficult to comprehend. Surely these people have to at least have a fleeting thought — “If we have not gotten anywhere in 65 years, what does the future hold?” A Cleared Confederation is so “out there” it is not even comprehensible. But that doesn’t stop them putting it in their promotional materials. So, you can assume that they believe their audience is just going to accept it because it is the word of L. Ron Hubbard. Just like they do…
And about those SO members that are cause over life, thought, matter, energy, space, time and form (phew…) — where ARE they? How come they have not taken over the world? Hell, how come they can’t even fill up a single course room in any Sea Org org? Why is the Freewinds empty?
Again, this is given as a “truth” and worthy of quoting merely because L. Ron Hubbard said it — even though it is observably patently false to everyone. All SO members included.
Is this brainwashing?
It works all pretty much like this my guess.
https://youtu.be/awY1MRlMKMc
I’m still waiting for the Super Power rundown to kick in. Yah, that’s it.
I have a wait and see attitude, will DM’s release of Super Power unleash the Super Powers of a thetan?
As a sideline story, Heinlein told Campbell back in 1949 when Campbell said Hubbard was onto something and eventually stopped promoting dianetics and asked Hubbard for proof of clear. Heinlein was of the wait and see POV.
Auditor: Do you have an overt regarding Scientology? (meter reacts)
Auditor: What are you looking at?
PC: I’m getting a picture of…
Auditor: What is it?
PC: Rape.
Aiditor: Tell me about it.
PC: I allowed Hubbard to mind fuck me and failed to report him to the Bunco Squad.
Auditor: Er, um, your TA is floating.
PC: End of session.
Auditor: Where are you going?
PC: The Police Department.
I like the report of the session❤️?
It’s simple
1) Ron was a seeker, but condemned other spiritual masters
2) he avoided Dharma (cosmic law) like the plague
3) he defaulted to the artist’s imagination over reason and truth (his
4) he believed in needle reactions like a Jehovah Witness.
5) those needle reactions had some baring on reality but also labeled imagination as real
6) the form of Scientology took on the shape of his Sci Fi imagination
Scientology was a philosophy for the Star Trek generation.
But what he did do was gather together a generation of spiritual seekers.
He sparked a dream within us that IS real.
Though LRH was ignorant in many areas, his search was infectious.
His life story is a testimony to the search for truth.
But because he bypassed the dos and don’ts of spiritual life, he created his public life of infamy.
So many children sold the dream of saving a Confederacy of planets but have no idea how to save themselves.
Ron was so lacking in true self awareness. That’s why he blamed everyone from psyches to Xenu for his condition.
Cause over life? I don’t think so.
His OT BT theory is the very essence of being the effect.
The goal that Ron dreamt was real. The messenger, Ron, was not fit to lead the way.
He is really an object of pity when you know where he was at at the end.
He was just a man. And maybe a little less than one.
I know of know man that would treat his friends and family the way he did.
I am grateful for the lesson I have learned.
If there is one thing I worship more because of my experience in Scientology, it’s the pedestal of direct perception over belief systems.
And I thank the spiritual masters of the east for that being my pole star.
One of the things I find fascinating is that a there is such a limited conversation of the goal of spiritual liberation.
Marty had a bit of that some time ago. But that seems to be replaced by other interests.
Is it the betrayal? The dashed hope?
It’s sad that the energy and talk of spiritual life is so absent in these blogs.
It’s a lonely hearts club of broken winged birds, releasing “charge” through texting.
I hope and pray that you all find your way to be enthused once again in this great drama of human existence to find purpose again.
God is real. Spirit is real. The soul is real. The goal of liberation is real.
There is such great happiness to be found.
May this Scientology diaspora find new meaning, new purpose, new techniques and processes to get back on that horse.
The dream of Spirit IS REAL.
It’s why we were born. It’s life’s purpose.
There’s a seeker born every minute.
Very inspiring. Thanks Brian.
Yup, he sure did put a cork in the search for the meaning in life….his self-confessed obsession (to Sarge at the end of his life) for money and power (over others) colored and maybe guided his discoveries. What was true and what was a lie designed to control or make money? Jesus, who knows. There was a clear road map “in”, but not one out.
It is simplerr than that. El COn was criminally insane.
It is always good for me to see my Pole Star,although some views are obscured by clouds and storms.I have always felt wisdom in your posts and a sharp knowledge of the harm Ron/DM caused and continue to
cause.I for one keep trying to fly higher,where the four winds are forever free.?
This one was supposed to find itself under Brian’s,sorry it took a walk.❤️
Reading Fair Game by Steve Cannane. This con has been going on for a LONG time.
It’s not brainwashing.
It’s the routine “top up” you need AFTER you’ve been brainwashed.
I love this comment!?
Seeing stupendous success in the face of abject failure is a type of group brainwashing….
LRH designed Scientology as a flow in with no flow out. So, inside the group any lies could be fed “in” to create a shared but deluded reality. And, with no outside influence, this deluded reality became reality.
Any “leaks” in the system were dealt with harshly. Secret OT materials, details of LRH’s life, any failures in Scientology were all “leaks” that were shut down with a KSW vengeance.
That all worked until we could Google anything. Now what’s left of Scientology looks like some Japanese soldiers on South Pacific islands not believing the war is over. They look funnier than hell, but remember, they have no radio!
Scientology used to clear the planet and save mankind. It used to make people attain the states of clear and OT but not any more. What I mean is, people just don’t believe that stuff any more and if it isn’t believed then it’s not true. That’s why people get so upset when you invalidate their ‘wins’. Beliefs can be invalidated but real things can’t be.
If I get stoned on pot and somebody comes along and suggests I’m only imagining the effects what do I care? Imagined or not I’m enjoying myself. I wouldn’t get all butt-hurt and say, “Don’t invalidate my stonedation!”
If I want to believe getting stoned is a way to clear the planet and make mankind peaceful by means of stoned ‘vibes’ radiating outward affecting people far and wide, then how is that different from believing scientology can do the same? All it would take to make them even is to set up a pot smoking society who spouts non-stop platitudes about all kinds of noble ideals attractive to all decent people. I prefer that pot smoking society for they would at least be indifferent to criticisms and more inclined to laugh at nonsense.
It was the VFP of Div IV of the Sea Org org board in the Ship’s Org Book!
There was a time when smart people got fooled and sucked in by outrageous lies, but that was in the age Before Google. There has not been any effective response to Google except for missions to drop their Scientology name and advertise on Craig’s list as a “help” group and to recruit SO staff from poor countries where people need a break from hard labor on the farm and eating rice and beans for dinner. Yeah, that’s going to work…Hahaha……. all they are getting are empty buildings and a shrinking bank account.
But CoS bank accounts may not be shrinking
David Miscavige: I’d like to offer you a suggestion.
Larry Page: Shoot.
David Miscavige: Stop displaying all anti-Scientology related sites in Google search requests.
Larry Page: Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!! Good one Dave!!!!
David Miscavige: I’m serious.
Fortunately Ron explained the Marcab Confederation — see link below.
So let’s do some math. The MC had 76 planets including Earth (per OT III materials). That’s 76 planets to clear, and Earth appears to be the only one with active efforts underway. (I’m assuming that Hubbard is doing nothing on “Target 2” and is instead kicking back listening to the wind sigh across the grass on a planet far, far away, taking a much needed rest.)
There are about 25,000 Scientologists in the US (per the American Religious Identification Survey), or about 1 in 12,000, which is about 0.00008 or about 0.008%. Not even a hundredth of a percentage point.
Scientology can’t get a single planet cleared despite the whole agonized future of every man, woman, and child depending on it. Does anyone remember the urgent goal of clearing Earth before 2000 because otherwise we were going to be destroyed in a nuclear war — everyone except Scientologists of course who were protected from radiation by smoking and a Hubbard cocktail of vitamins and gunk?.
At the rate Scientology is going on one planet, it will take forever to get the full 76 Marcab Confederation. Or maybe not forever — maybe just more quadrillions of years such as Hubbard claims already passed in a universe that by the best scientific evidence is only some 13 billion years old. I think those poor Sea Org members are going to have to re-up their billion year contracts a million times before they get the job done, those slackers!
In the meantime, “Viva la guh-LAX-ee!”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlzOyxSBTDg
Fascinating! Then what? The cleared planets will stay cleared while waiting? Or will they fall back towards entropy, as all things do?
Seems like a billion years won’t be enough.
Well, if your going to play the reality card. . .
A “Cleared Confederation” was a perfect marketing slogan back in 1967. Back then, to enter the Sea Borg, you had to be OTIII and Class IV, I believe. Therefore, the “candidates” had already bought into the space opera bullshit completely. It doesn’t apply today. The qualifications for the Sea Borg have descended to “Are you breathing?” The Sea Borg used to be L. Fraud’s dream of an Intergalactic Navy. Nowadays, it’s barely a military priesthood, and one that’s not done well. The only people who have pulled that off successfully have been the Templars, the Hospitalers, and the Jesuits.
Holy shit, Espi! They actually succeeded in clearing the planet and now they’re clearing the Confederation??? Wow! What’s next? Hubbard’s return?
OSD is there surfing on any of the other planets in the confederation? Or is Earth the only one?
Grasshopper, surfing exists throughout the universe. Especially cosmic waves…
And the death knell for Scientology is surfing the web.
Hi Espiando, Great post,good history lesson,Love the Are You Breathing? as quals for joining SO.I think most are fading away from stress,lies and the money chase.Oh I might have seen The Morgue Spaceship peeking out from under a tarp.You drive I’ll ride to the Intergalactic movie Revolting In The Stars! ❤️
But Ron trusts Dave 100%!
Maybe this is dumb…but I have seen in many articles how COB and the Most Deidcated Scientologist in the World are the two biggest beings on the planet…and that I am degraded…just a lowly Wog. Sooooo……it begs the question…..why have the two come not come forward…..displaying their Greatness in all its glory…..I mean….one of them said that he has met ALL the leaders of the world……he’s the ONLY one that can help…..blah blah blah…..
?????
Too many SP’s to confront and shatter. They have to do it all by themselves.
I see an expanding third party political system growing leaps and bounds like no other in the history of the USA giving America and the world a President like no other in 2021.
Naw, it was like this in ’92 also. As far as polling shows.
I pledge allegiance to the Flagship
Of the United Stars of Espinol
And to the republished
For which Dave stands
One thought pool under Ron
With KRs and comm evs for all
Amen!
Religions. They can’t get it right. Wasn’t it old JC himself who said that he “would be back” before that generation was gone?
Only old Arnold ever did what he said, “I’ll be back”.
I wonder if any Sea bOrg travel in costume? I can just see some idiot borg trying to get a salute out of any real military members. That could be hilarious. I would salute Salvation Army folks, but not any clam, no matter how ornate the hat was.
For me a trip down a very moldy,mossy Sea Org Lane.I had all the quotes from Ron about the Sea Org memorized & carved on my heart.Reading the pieces now I can’t decide wether to laugh or cry!And all the Did you know questions I knew my first two weeks in.No matter how DM’s cult window dresses the pretty photo shopped promo pieces,even if one thinks they are an OT SO Member,as I once did and was told,the truth is you are just another OT SO Slave.❤️
Ann – I’m certain that for whatever reason(s) you joined the SO, those reasons struck you deeply, aligning with your basic desire to help bring about better conditions. It was like that for me. I say this only as I would hate for anyone to think spending any increment of time wanting to help is wasted. I’ve seen your posts and you are an extremely caring, strong person. Now, you can help by understanding and warning away anyone else that may fall into the window dressing. So, laugh, don’t cry – I bet you are doing that already!
Yes I am laughing-so much better! Thank you for your comment and I enjoy all your previous ones too.❤️
You guys, WhatWhenAll & Ann B., I really respect you for wanting to help people. I know you, and a lot of other good people joined the Sea Org with altruistic purposes. As nobody special, just some random member of society (me), I thank you for wanting to help others. I’m sorry it didn’t work out as you would ideally like it to be, but I still admire your purpose.
Love you! 🙂 – T.J.
altruistic
al·tru·is·tic
altro͞oˈistik
adjective
showing a disinterested and selfless concern for the well-being of others; unselfish.
“it was an entirely altruistic act”
synonyms: unselfish, selfless, compassionate, kind, public-spirited.
How about Hubbards typical way of doing things. He just ripped off the state symbol of Texas.
Would you expect anything less from a con man?
Is that what he meant with ‘con’federation?
Maybe it’s the same way a banker feels about e’con’omies.
Is ‘con’grations another in-‘con’text response to successfully lying to steal money?
Sheesh – how many cons can a con man con?
Confabulation covers it well
Nothing quite like an infinite lie if you can get it to stick.
The whole naval SO thing is way beyond anything even slightly comprehensible now. In retrospect having group agreement is a very powerful thing and the truth is sort of irrelevant at the time. Back then we believed it and so it was. No obstacle was too great, forward was the order and off we went. Now, 65 years later… well, egg, meet face!
For those still in… we were like that once but the evidence to the contrary was never so blatant and easily accessible as it is now. Belief and blindness are good buddies so it seems.
One thing LRH understood completely … when it comes to promises in the religion game … GO BIG … it has never failed throughout the millennia … it isn’t really brainwashing so much as it is basic human wish fullfulillment (gee! … cause over life matter space …..)
May I take this opportunity to thank all Sea Org members who are currently clearing the planet and the confederacy … so that I don’t have to. Signed, Retired in the tropics …
Brainwashing.
The constant repetition and reinforcement of the Scientology delusion produces a “certainty of delusion”, which, sadly, is today’s Scientologist.
Simply stated, Scientology causes mental illness.
Heil Hubbard!
Re: “So we define an SO member the way you do an OT…”
To be a Sea Org member is to “be” OT, and therein lies the trap. When L. Ron Hubbard proclaimed himself “Source,” he forbade his followers from ever looking outside the box. In the bubble world of scientology, Hubbard’s followers soon become his “unfortunates,” following in the footsteps of a man who defied actual laws of the universe, all in an attempt at a shortcut to Infinity. His intentions, no matter how good they may have been, backfired, and the OT Levels are Hubbard’s efforts to right a wrong.
Thanks, Mike!,
Fred G. Haseney & JennyAtLAX
“Stars of the Galactic Confederation”??? I thought the space opera bullshit was hush-hush oatee three and most seaorgers don’t even get close to that. Can somebody tie that one together for me?
This “Cleared Confederation” serves as a natural filter. They are not interested in people who will say:
“A Cleared Confederation? Really? Are you out of your mind?”
Instead, they want:
“A Cleared Confederation? Wow, I had no idea. This REALLY is BIG!”
Not dissimilar to the infamous Nigerian Prince email scams. They’re not interested in a huge volume of responses, but those that do respond are pure gold.
There’s sure some truth in those words statpush…
Ron was such a joker.Make his own Star Trek religion including the Galactic Conferation.Write a nice Xenu story.
Said he boldly went where no one had gone before.Then:Let the fleecing begin!
In only Ron bots could come up for “air” long enough to see how nuts they really are. Fortunately Mike allows them to post here for the whole world to see how damaged they have become under El Con’s mind control practices.
I think it refers to the political entity that Xenu is supposed to rule over.
Meaning the Galactic Confederation.
Could be spelled X-e-m-u.
Infinity is an undefined value and therefore cannot have a point.
But I could be wrong on this.
If you want to go down a rabbit hole, there’s the theory of transfinite numbers, which was developed by the mathematician Georg Cantor.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Cantor
Dark Avenger that’s fascinating. I love it when I learn something new here. That Cantor was persecuted for his ideas is sad but seems like par for the course – look what they did to poor Semmelweis. He went contrary to medical opinion with his “germ theory” and all the doctors were like, crazy Semmelweis, he believes in these little invisible things that cause illness to pass from one person to another if doctors don’t wash their hands between seeing patients. psshht. They put him in an insane asylum and killed him. Twenty years later Joseph Lister and Louis Pasteur proved his theory and we now have accepted modern antiseptics. Including Listerine mouthwash and Pasteurized milk. It always makes me mad about what they did to Semmelweis… and don’t even get me started on what they did to Turing.
It can have application. For instance in wing design you may want to determine drag characteristics of a wing that is infinitely long (thus having no wing tip vorticity drag and the like).
Ok Mike Wynski, you’ve increased my knowledge base here today as well. Darn, I wish I had taken more math classes in college. I’m always envious of those whose brains are filled with intelligent stuff, lol. Although I don’t know why one would actually need to determine characteristics of a wing of infinite length (don’t they measure the wings of planes?) I’ll accept that this is most likely what high-level mathematicians and you smart types do, probably just for fun. But anyway, thanks for allowing me to add a new word to my vocabulary.
Definition: Vorticity: “In Fluid Dynamics, Vorticity is a vector quantity and it tells us the tendency of a fluid particle to rotate or circulate at a particular point. It is mathematically defined as the curl of velocity.”
T.J. A circular wing might have some of the characteristics of an infinitely long wing, in certain respects. That’s what I thought of when the infinity question above was posed.
http://i.imgur.com/qvk6fQ1.jpg
Just something I was pondering…
Oh… circular wing, of course, that makes sense. Theoretical and hypothetical stuff is so much fun, like exercises for the mind. Or is this going to be an actuality in the future, like self-driving cars? I see those driving around the Google complex all the time. The first time someone came up and told me, “hey I just saw a self-driving car!” I said “Really? Who was driving?” True story. For some reason I just couldn’t realize that the car was driving by itself. Silly, huh? But I’ve found the most embarrassing things I’ve done make the funniest stories later on.
T.J. unknown to the general public and law makers (who are stupidly approving these things to hit the road), the Google cars don’t drive themselves. They have GPS and some visual sensors. They broadcast their location via cell to a main computer system that tells them what to do and where EXACTLY to look for traffic lights and such. They don’t have intelligent vision.
An example of the consequences of the last sentence above. If a bridge were to have JUST fallen, the Google car could drive right out into thin air as it cannot see the omission of the bridge. The master computer back at Google would have to have been updated with that info first.
If each leaf represents a star in his “Galactic Federation” then going by the size of the universe as it currently stands it wouldn’t rate much more 1,000th of one trillionth of one per cent if not less. Pretty piss poor by any standard.
Do they mean “The United Federation of Planets” a la Star Trek?
Nope, the Ferengi had a similar but vastly superior tech than the Federation. Bet ya 50 bars of Gold Pressed Latinum the Axioms of Acquisition are a lot better practiced than Scio’s stuff!
I wouldn’t be surprised if DM has a complete list of the Ferengi Rules of Aquisition tucked away somewhere.
http://www.sjtrek.com/trek/rules/
Learn it, know it, live it.
I wonder how “observably patently false” it is? If it was, how come so many people past and present join up? You all never seem to talk about it, but there must have something good, at some point, about Scientology. Maybe not anymore, but something had to appeal to you all in the first place.
Someone came into my store two months who was wearing a Scientology pendant. She tried to get me to shortlist some of Hubbards pulp novels. The members of the Dallas org do that. They go from bookstore to bookstore trying to get us to carry Dianetics on the shelf. And if that doesn’t work, then his other novels. And they have been known to steal any anti Scientology books like Going Clear, or Inside Scientology, or Jenna Miscaviages book. This woman believed what she was telling me about L Ron Hubbard and I actually asked her about her pendant. She was proud of it. It was a gift to her. The ridiculous things Hubbard said seem like a con to me, but I’m absolutely sure she believes it like gospel. She spoke as though he was still alive. As at one point, many of you on this blog did as well.
I never ordered those books. Nobody buys crappy westerns anymore.
Macy, that is a good question. Is it patently false? If so, how could anyone be fooled? Unfortunately there is no simple answer.
It is sort of like those ads that promise to give you a “flatter belly”. I would guess that most are skeptical, but the nagging thought may strike one – what if it is true? I could use a flatter belly. Not everything that you see in an internet ad is a scam. There are ads for banks and real medicines on the internet.
Just because it is a flaky looking ad does not mean it is false. At one time washing your hands after surgery to avoid infecting the next patient was considered a whacky idea. http://www.livescience.com/3210-childbirth-natural-deadly.html The idea that the earth is a sphere was once considered ridiculous and the “scientific consensus” was against it. What if this “flatter belly” idea is just a new one that works?
So you look into the “flatter belly” ad and you find out that your intestines are full of nasty stuff that is making your belly stick out. Any reasonable person would possibly check this against reality. Is my belly just fat or is there a mass of something in my gut that is making it stick out? A few simple experiments could sort this one out. So most people could reject this one without much effort. But a few will not. These are the credulous few that the ad writers want. Ones that want the result really badly and are willing to suspend their disbelief a bit.
The same thing happens with the famous Nigerian scam emails. Almost everybody knows that a poorly spelled missive with grammatical errors, that promises untold wealth, is a scam. But a few get caught by these every year. The scammers know they will only catch a few. But those few are worth money to them. They seem to deliberately enter errors into the spam email because they know that if someone gets really big stars in their eyes at the mere mention of millions of dollars, and ignores the flaws, they can get quite a bit of easy cash out of the deal.
If you have the time it is worth checking out another blog, http://tonyortega.org/2016/09/30/when-l-ron-hubbard-briefly-let-down-his-guard-and-admitted-scientology-was-all-a-con/ In it a journalist recounts a story about how Hubbard admitted that he was playing a scam on people. About how he enjoyed reeling them in like fish on a hook. There is some evidence that he was eventually taken in by his own lies, but if you really study the history of the subject it is pretty obvious that it started out as a frankly invented scam.
I say this not as an outside observer, but as one that was taken in and was a committed Scientologist from 1974 to 2008. Even when I left the group in 2004 I continued to believe until much later. We are not talking here about a scam that promises a flatter belly, or a better love life, or millions of dollars. We are talking about a scam that promises “Cause over life, matter, energy, time, space, form.” A scam that promises “A new civilization without crime, insanity or war, where honest beings have rights and man is free to rise to greater heights”.
Even if you think the claims might be exaggerated, even if it is obvious that not everyone can raise up an ashtray with their thoughts or build a spaceship with the knowledge recovered from previous lifetimes, it is still a compelling idea. And it is reinforced by the practices of Scientology, which provide thrilling experiences and seem to validate the lies.
There is no ultimate absolute arbiter of truth. Even the “fact checkers” get it wrong pretty often. Lots of false ideas have made it into textbooks, like the Piltdown Man. You can say “look it up on the internet” or check out Wikipedia” but there are tons of false assertions on those sources. So I don’t heap shame on someone who has fallen for a scam. As Joni Mitchell said: “Life is for learning”.
Well said, Bruce.
Well, I’ve talked about it, but I’ll say it again. When I got in in 1973, it was good. I’d say if I dropped out of it in 1991 when I was OT VIII, Interned Class 6, I wouldn’t have complained (that is, if there were no internet, books, articles, stories of abuse). Would I have believed it all? Nope. There was good in it and at that time my perception was that it was there to DO something helpful for the individual – not just take and demand. Of course, there’s a lot more to the story of why I stayed in even past OT III or the mounds of nonsense I threw out of my head after listening to many Briefing Course tapes or many more incredulous concepts but the bottom line is that in the beginning I thought it helped and that it’s intentions were good.
Even today, david miscavige tries to put out front and present its seemingly well-intentioned 4th Dynamic groups because of the help that these groups may provide. I could even get behind them – except now I’m aware of the abuses perpetrated by david miscavige and therefore, don’t think this group should be supported in any way until those abuses stop and david miscavige is removed. Once those things happen, I don’t care what a scientologist believes.
“…now I’m aware of the abuses perpetrated by david miscavige and therefore, don’t think this group should be supported in any way until those abuses stop and david miscavige is removed. Once those things happen, I don’t care what a scientologist believes.”
Exactly! As long as folks aren’t harming others or engaged in human rights abuses, then let them believe what they like. That’s what religious freedom and the pursuit of happiness are all about. However, since $cn makes the fatal mistake of making objectively verifiable claims about the efficacy of its spiritual transformation procedures, which promise the acquisition of very specific abilities, such as telekinesis, the fact that no one has ever demonstrated any of those claimed super powers fundamentally undermines the entire belief system.
Show me just one OaTy who can demonstrate even the measliest of super powers – such as scooting a gum wrapper along a flat table top for six inches – and you’ve captured my intense interest once more. It’s an incredibly easy claim to prove, and doing so would boom $cn like never before, so the fact that no one has done so must cause the skeptical minded scientific observer to seriously doubt any of the more extravagant claims that $cn makes are real.
Harpoona Frittata, that’s a really good point. I’m all for freedom to choose for oneself, freedom to believe what you want… but the problem is, the Church of Scientology makes claims that are not true, so one purchases something that isn’t what they were promised.
The truth in advertising laws don’t allow that… a company can’t claim a device will increase muscle mass if it’s not proven, or cure an illness if it’s basically sugar-water, or claim a vitamin will make you happier or more successful in life, and so forth.
In the country where I reside (USA) it’s Federal Law, as carried out by the FTC (Federal Trade Commission) a governmental agency:
https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/media-resources/truth-advertising
Quote from website: “When consumers see or hear an advertisement, whether it’s on the Internet, radio or television, or anywhere else, federal law says that ad must be truthful, not misleading, and, when appropriate, backed by scientific evidence.
The Federal Trade Commission enforces these truth-in-advertising laws, and it applies the same standards no matter where an ad appears – in newspapers and magazines, online, in the mail, or on billboards or buses. The FTC looks especially closely at advertising claims that can affect consumers’ health or their pocketbooks – claims about food, over-the-counter drugs, dietary supplements, alcohol, and tobacco and on conduct related to high-tech products and the Internet. The FTC also monitors and writes reports about ad industry practices regarding the marketing of alcohol and tobacco.
When the FTC finds a case of fraud perpetrated on consumers, the agency files actions in federal district court for immediate and permanent orders to stop scams; prevent fraudsters from perpetrating scams in the future; freeze their assets; and get compensation for victims. (EndQuote)
*I included a link and quote because I personally don’t like it when someone tells me “It’s the law” or “there’s a law against it” without providing evidence of this. I never take someone’s word on that without finding proof of it myself. That’s how misconceptions are perpetuated.
per·pet·u·ate
pərˈpeCHəˌwāt/
verb
past tense: perpetuated,
make (something, typically an undesirable situation or an unfounded belief) continue indefinitely.
synonyms: keep alive, keep going, preserve, conserve, sustain, maintain, continue, extend, carry on, keep up, prolong.
Ok, I have to stop posting here now and go do the laundry, or when hubby & kids get back from the beach they will have no clean clothes to change into after showering. Geeze, I’m so lazy. Well, at least I fed the cats and did the dishes. Have a happy weekend all! 🙂
Yep, definitely a different vibe in the early days and I concur it was more benevolent. It seems criminality follows money like bees to honey. Saw two remarkable films recently, one on the life and times of the Beach Boys and the other on the story of Facebook. In the beginning the intention and tone was high but it got all wobbly as soon as the money grew and organisation was not only required but was demanded for perceived and real survival. In other words lawyers and/or the lack of them got involved. It got really messy and people were hurt but all the while “the show must go on.” It could be suggested, as humans get organised, we wouldn’t have it any other way in the “real world of fame and fortune.”
I wouldn’t trade some of the stuff I experienced in Scientology in my early time with it but sure as hell I would like to see justice for the incredible abuses it dishes out and the organisation as a whole made to account for its actions. Wishful thinking maybe but it has to implode soon, surely?
macycarew1, I wonder how “observably patently false” it is? If it was, how come so many people past and present join up? You never seem to talk about it, but there must have something good, at some point, about Nazism.
Oops, almost forgot macycarew1, arbeit macht frei!
Macy, It’s hard to understand things we have no first hand experience of. I’m not proud to have fallen for the con of Scientology when I was eighteen. Back then my alcoholic/crack head/pedophile uncle told me Scientology was a cult. Needless to say I didn’t value his opinion.
No one is perfect, we all have our cross to bear. I don’t necessarily have a problem with never-ins criticizing me. But it’s kind of like someone with no drug history going on a heroin recovery sight and arrogantly judging them.
Like your logic.
The world is full of experts who’ve never left the comfort of their own reality.
In the early days at least one would have been a fool to NOT check out scientology. We were in the Age of Aquarius and the Maharishi and others had us talking about enlightenment and nirvana.
On the surface the theory certainly looked impressive and any seeker of higher truth would have WANTED to believe in it. And never underestimate the allure of being a member of an elite corps.
Outrageous how Scientology operatives have been stealing and destroying critical books and magazines from libraries and bookshops for decades. They should lose their copyrights for that crime.
It isn’t just Scns who either steal the anti Scn books, or go to the library and have them “always checked out” so that no one can read them. The Mormons did it too with the book “No Man Knows My History” by Brydie Murphy. And I think there was a book called “The Mountain Meadow Massacre” that they also kept checked out all the time from person to person so that no one could ever actually read it. So here’s a possible cure for that: I read almost every book put out by people who were in Scn and then left and wrote a book. After reading the book, I suggest donating it to a library so that they can keep these books on the shelves so that others can read it and be enlightened on the truth of the matter.
“No Man knows my History ” was actually written by Fawn Brodie, who was a niece of church president David O McKay.
Call it brainwashing mixed with human trafficking, blackmail, a racketeer-influenced corrupt organization and a big dose of Stockholm Syndrome. The thoroughness of the brainwashing is shown by the fact that they still use Hubbard’s picture in their ads and think that his picture will attract people rather than make them run in the other direction..
I just noticed something. “Star Trek” premiered 50 years ago. That document is dated about a year later. It is not a big step from “Federation” to “Confederation”, so it looks like there is one more thing that Hubbard ripped off.
Early Sci-fi stories are full of federations, conclaves, and every other kind of association. Fiction based in fact. Humans love groups.
Simple answer. Yes, yes it is definitely brainwashing.
I my opinion it is hypnosis. Those still in appear to be in a state of altered consciousness and they respond with certain limitations to the suggestions of the hypnotist. (auditor/MAA/fsm/friend/He who has no name)
As a person moves away from the Cult, most slowly begin to wake up. But beware of the free arcx session, or an old friend wanting you to check out the new materials or attend an event.
And there is also the issue of self hypnosis. That is a hard one to break. IMHO, that is the condition of the hard core still-ins whether on staff or public. It will take a very large BANG to snap them out of it!
… or maybe just one simple command, “Come up to present time.” (Done Tone 40)
Or the simple command, done Tone 40, “Exit Stage Left!”
Lies , induced fear , repetitions , confessions , enemies .Of course it is brainwashing.
And Mary , the fact that you were there to help others is probably the reason why you were able to see through it and get out. Just my opinion.
Power processes are similar in simplicity, oh! But that’s Scientology = opps, sorry!.