The farce continues.
These people continue to believe there is something of value to having an “Ideal Nation.” That achieving this will be a “victory” and is something that is important to “race” to accomplish.
What they mean is that all EXISTING Orgs in the US will have a newly renovated building.
They have been going on these kicks for some time about “An All Ideal California” or “All Ideal Florida” as if this represents a great advance for mankind. Their “victories” have been meaningless.
As I have said plenty of times here, there are already “ideal nations” where the existing organizations in those countries are ideal. Like New Zealand. Belgium. Japan. And what does this mean? Absolutely nothing.
An “Ideal Nation” (USA) that has not a single scientology org in the following states, is obviously meaningless:
Alabama
Alaska
Arkansas
Delaware
Idaho
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Maine
Maryland
Mississippi
Montana
Nebraska
New Hampshire
New Jersey
North Carolina
North Dakota
Oklahoma
Rhode Island
South Carolina
South Dakota
Vermont
Virginia
West Virginia
Wyoming
But they are bringing in the big fundraising guns to make a push to squeeze some more blood out of the poor sheeple in order to get ideal buildings in Albuquerque, Honolulu, Long Island, Puerto Rico and whatever else is left…
If the ideal orgs in California — which in total are about the same order of magnitude as the rest of the US combined — are having no impact whatsoever on their planetary clearing goals, why devote time and resources to traditionally small and failing orgs like Honolulu rather than trying to do something to get the existing “ideal orgs” to reach any level of viability? The answer is simple, because that would require something more than demanding money from the public. And they have nothing else.
This is the end-game. Once the existing orgs are all located in ideal buildings, what then?
This “ideal org” program was touted as the answer to getting all orgs to the size of old St Hill. It’s been a dismal failure.
And there has not been a new org opened in the US since the two artificial orgs in Harlem and Inglewood (by artificial I mean they did not grow out of a local demand for scientology, they were simply bought and installed). And those were more than a decade ago. And before that, it’s hard to recall when the last org was opened? Perhaps Los Gatos when the criminal mission was converted into an org in mid 90’s to prevent the IRS from removing tax exempt status… What about opening an org in Houston? New Orleans? Charlotte? Surely that would be a higher priority than getting a building for Honolulu?
They can convince themselves they are accomplishing something and should keep handing over cash in the “race” to “complete” a completely failed program, but that is not changing the fact that scientology is shriveling before the eyes of the world.
On this feverish aim to produce a swath of ideal orgs, of all the major misses, I believe what will prove to be the biggest miss is the organization’s failure to handle the repeated valid questions of Ms. Leah Remini.
It is the most fundamental policy in Scientology: An organization MUST answer people’s questions (Hubbard Technical Bulletin of 18 June 1957). Also: MAINTAIN FRIENDLY RELATIONS WITH THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE PUBLIC (Hubbard Policy Letter of 2 September 1970).
That Leah factually gave management several opportunities to just ANSWER HER QUESTIONS and MAINTAIN FRIENDLY RELATIONS, yet management chose to instead, like a petulant child, dig in their heels at every opportunity—and even yell at her and make her wrong FOR ASKING QUESTIONS—to me is going to prove to be The Most Idiotic Hit-the-Button-labeled “Self-Destruct” Move management has ever made.
Talk about not being in present time. Talk about having misunderstood words on the most fundamental policies and technical requirements of your post. Talk about having undisclosed evil purposes to take the group down, rather than contribute to its expansion and prosperity.
Each person connected to not addressing Leah’s valid questions has got these ailments. The sword they are landing is their own. “Look no further for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee.” “The Aftermath” series hosted by Leah and Mike is (to me) a series of knowledge reports. Each episode is a “mind-blown with facts” as an “end phenomenon.” (Please provide a form in triplicate so viewer can write a Success Story.)
One of my stand-out episodes is the Bert Schippers episode where he painstakingly describes the experience of being super-fleeced for local ideal org donations. Then he learns, these massive donations IN NO WAY render one immune to having the group formally discard you or deliver a heavy “justice” blow against you or a member of your household.
This group demonstrably does not care about its public or donators. The reality of finding someone who will grant “Ethics Protection” when you are an upstat is tough. Staff are just not given any type of emphasis on making people right, not unless it is to trap the person into more debt and further donations.
So, there. Failure to answer valid questions of a powerful public with a track record of a TON (millions of dollars) of donations and many years of active contribution and service, here is where it leads. Knowledge report after knowledge report, testimonial after testimonial: that is “The Aftermath” television series. Now it has been seen by millions and will continue to be viewed by many more.
How is that for ideal? An ideal takedown and all that was required was to “pull the string” on, “Why won’t they answer my questions?” What has been illuminated by “The Aftermath” and other sources is nothing but a scrutinizing series of available facts. Nothing else has been necessary to achieve this stunning set of revelations—woven in and through the Church of Scientology are crimes, bad intentions, and unscrupulous behaviors. These are continuously exposed now in grand, explicit fashion.
There is no end-game. You ask what then? I’d say their are re-revisions of books. I will speculate that there will be some new extra-special event re-release. I might surmise there will eventually be a passing of the reigns. Hell, they might even do a Buddhist-style easter egg hunt for the new reincarnated mecca-ite, aka thetan lottery winner, of the new body (homo,novi, of course) of Dear (ol’/new) Ron. Doubtful under the current leadership, but then again that is what postulates are for – imagination, like 8-8008 style imagination.
As for Ideal Orgs, as far as I can tell – they are non-standard tech invented by David Miscavige to give himself purpose as El Capitàn. At most, they are a far stretch of something LRH wrote but never elaborated upon.
I’m pretty sure that you can add Wisconsin to the no org list. I believe that there is a tiny mission in Milwaukee. We can however boast that Ron Miscavige lives here.
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The Milwaukee mission died a couple of years ago, as far as I can tell. Its previous address was a typical office/commercial building that was razed and is now an empty lot, and there’s just some sort of Scientology website placeholder for it that has the address fields empty. They do give a phone number, so it’s possible that it’s become one of those that the mission holder has packed in to a back room of their residence.
I suspect that we’ll eventually find out that a similar fate has befallen quite a few more missions over the last year, pushing a number over the edge that were already hanging on by their fingernails, kept going by long-time missionholders on their last legs.
When you go to that website, the Google map app gives the mission’s location as the Atlantic Ocean on the intersection of the Equator and Prime Meridian just south of Ghana. Maybe their expansion forced a move onto the Freewinds?
In the interest of accuracy, there is also an org in Baton Rouge. It seems as empty as all the others. Idle, certainly not ideal.
That’s a mission. They cannot train auditors or make Clears. They deliver introductory services.
Oh, for the “love” of the pickled in scotch undead body of Disgusto Miscreation! They’re back on the now exceedingly tired, and tiresome, ideal nation bullshit. As “…the only major religion to have emerged in the twentieth century…” shrinks and and shrinks into a pin point black hole (which will evapourate very quickly and vanish, never to be seen or heard of again)the malignant mutation will just keep crushing the pebbles, the bleeding stones have been drained and powdered, that remain.
They cannot even clear Clearwater of Mark Bunker….!
Right Jeff. Actually they are still behind in clearing themselves, they are still a bit reactive.
Reality is real, live with it.
Anyone claiming that an Ideal Org as laid out by Miscaviage and an Ideal Org as covered in the PL by LRH are one and the same is a squirrel at best and should be declared suppressive.
Now, if I was declared for something of equal magnitude I would gladly do my A-E.
However, I was declared for (1) staying alive after the Captain Freewinds and others stated that I would die and (2) stating the facts of what happened.
For me to recant as required by A-E would require (1) that I blow my own head clean off and (2) deny the facts as they are.
Although I was suicidal while in the Sea Org and as the Captain once stated was more than willing to lay down my life for the ship I am no longer and if they still want me dead they will have to get off their asses and kill me.
Drove by the St Louis mission today and there were 12 cars in the parking lot including the old beat up faded green jeep that has been nowhere to be seen for the last 9+- months. The owner must have got it running. I wonder what they do there all day?
Gordon: Heh, thanks for the intel on the dwindling statistics of the St Louis Cherch of Scientology Morgue. I dabbled in Scientology and hav been researching the truth about it for a decade. Scientology is nothing short of a loaded trap. Once you get in, they trap you via various methods. Scientology is a big hoax. L Ron Hubbard was a criminal hiding from the law. The whole situation is a con job that is so huge, most people won’t believe it. I find it amuzing that on a Saturday, the Cherch of Scientology in St Louis has only 12 cars in the parking lot?? Chad Lane said there was a need for a huge building to service several states on going Clear. Oh my! Xenu will be putting heads on a pike. Chad Lane and Matt Hanses – FLUNK! You told members your cherch was expanding. You raised millions of dollars via deception and fraud claiming you needed that big old money sucking Ideal Org on Lafayette in St Louis City. In 2010 Chad Lane reported to St Louis Post Dispatch that only a little more money was needed to complete renovations. The Church of Scientology covertly used money from an insurance claim to start renovations, with the roof, and did not tell members they got the dough from the insurance company. This was all done to unduly influence members that the building would be completed. They lied. This is Standard Operating Procedure in Scientology. Fraud and deception with everything they do. Then Chad Lane spent the next decade milking every dime out of everyone and sending them to the poor house. He may have made big commissions and did not care that he financially ruined people for nothing. The building still sits vacant. Chad Lane and Matt Hanses told BIG LIES! May Karma Kick Your Ass.
Bee Tee, I’m always hoping to get info from posters on the St Louis mission. Their building, parking lot, grounds and even their sign have all seen better days. Their front doors have been closed since the covid lockdown started. Not that it matters because I have never seen any interested/curious person or persons walk into the mission. I live 10 minutes away so I drive by every 2-3 weeks. I would think it would be a struggle for them just to pay the utilities.
Gordon: St Louis Cherch of Sciendollatry got over $40,000 in PPP money from the US Government. No worries about the lights. They always can find one poor sap out of the 10 people left in St Louis that will put money on credit cards to keep the lights on.
Heh, I was wondering? When is Chad Lane and Matt Hanses going to
1. Go up the Bridge? You know what L Ron Hubbard says about the guy that never gets auditing? There is your SP.
2. Take out a second mortgage on their homes to donate to the IAS? You know how David Miscavige hates Counter Intention. Those two have not given much of anything that I can find.
I believe Chad and Matt have bankrupted more Scientologists in St Louis than any other Executive Directors / Registrars on planet Teegeack – cuz they are always in emergency condition so they have to bypass everyone to get money in. These two boneheads are as slick as snot as they practice the techniques of hard sell from the book – Big League Sales. Just ask Scientologist Micheal Wegener. I think they milked that poor guy dry.
Very sad to see the US Government is Funding a terrorist organization called Scientology with disaster relief money due to covid. Sciendollatry always is scheming and scamming and taking advantage of everyone including the US Government.
REMINDS ME OF THE OLD “LAUGH IN” TV SERIES…..(SKIP OVER THE AD)
WHAT’S THE NEWS ACROSS THE NATION……………….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-3YbSMvt5k
Ballet Lady. I didn’t knew this show. This was end of 60s. Made in real English humor. Certainly Benny Hill took some idea from it. LOL!
More or less that show made “Goldie Hawn” a huge STAR/celeb. . Her kookiness, giggly laugh, smile & ditzy blonde routine won millions over.
Yes I remember Benny Hill & several other shows that “got by the TV Sensors with naughtiness” that sometimes wasn’t recognized until it aired.
They are setting the bait for the dodos, so hungry for good news.
And those will fall for it again.
It is obvious that they have become extinct.
In the lrhed on the ideal org he says nothing about an ideal country. To be, there really should be an org in every state and region and area. Here we are just closer and closer to the ideal dodo public
The Ideal Org HCOPL says nothing about robbing the public to pay for vastly overrated buildings. You see, this accomplishes 2 things for DM. One, it accumulates reserves which he can take at any time.
And, perhaps more importantly, it bankrupts the public so that they cannot afford services. This way, DM gets the money but delivers nothing. By delivering nothing, he sidesteppes any liability for delivering a bad product.
This is the worst violation of KSW that could be imagined. To take everyone’s money an not deliver any LRH tech.
Even Hitler killed himself in his bunker rather than surrender.
You think that DM will do that? Hell no. He will take all of that cash and head for the hills. He don’t give a FUCK about the people.
Talk about other fish to fry.
The oceans do not have enough other fish for him to fry.
I had a junior who used to bake apples in the microwave at Flag right after LRHED 339R came out. I used to tell him that he had “Other Apples to Bake”.
It was a joke.
This is no joke.
The ‘ideal country’ is an advertising figment of the $cieno imagination. It was decreed in order to put all the building donations into one easy to empty pot. Clammers in Boston will be paying for Philadelphia before their local mOrg is up and running.
‘Ideal Country’ is just another fundraising scam. That is the only product the CO$ produces these days.
AFAIK, the org/mission that used to be in Maine has evaporated with the death of the franchise-holder. A few of my extended family trekked North with her in the early ’80s. After a bit, she got tired of scn and switched her mystical studies over to Baha’i, which was marginally more acceptable in the community she squatted in. Those family members migrated to Massachusetts and haven’t spoken at all of scn the few times we’ve gotten together since; weddings, big birthdays, etc.
Same in North Carolina. We had missions/ mOrgs in Greensboro & Charlotte.
No more. In fact, I saw some info online about the Greensboro one closing its doors. Some personal emails leaked. Anonymous protested at one point, too!
And my homestate of Connecticut… New Haven is still there, but the Hartford mission is belly-up, as they all should be…
Jere, a search turns up signs of missions in Bangor and in Brunswick, in Maine. The former seems to have been defunct for several years, and the latter is in an old house that rents rooms and has several small business that trace to the address; if I recall when I looked a bit deeper a few years ago, it was actually the home of a couple of old mission holders named Fisco, who presumably are hanging on more out of loyalty than public demand. There is also a bit of corporate information about the latter (but not the former) at:
> http://www.xenu-directory.net/documents/corporate/entities.php?groupby=jurisdiction#j-30
It’s interesting to hear your story of how a mission got started, and then dissipated. In so many places they seem to have centered around just one key person, or a couple, especially in locations other than major cities; those sorts of energetic and charismatic people often then seem to have had interests that eventually lead them to diverge from Scientology and its heavy-handedness.
Yes, the farce does continue and it continues unabated. Actually it is a world class con that manifests as a farce doing untold damage to all who participate.
It started in 1950. When, after extensive “research” the ‘state of clear’ was said to be attainable by ordinary humans, homo saps. When this proved to be a failure and dianetics started going by the wayside, the ol’ grifter pulled something new, scientology, out of his ass. This too was unworkable ‘tech’ and after years of refinements a real ‘clear’ was finally produced in the mid-60s. That to was a farce and to keep the marks in line and willing to hand over more money, Hubbard came up with ‘ethics tech’ and ‘KSW’. The ‘tech’ still wasn’t going in and further refinements were necessary. Hubbard was able to keep coming up with new things to offer the fawning membership because he was Hubbard and the ‘source’ of all. He was able to keep the con going until he dropped his failing meat sack. After a power struggle, Miscavige took over and really brought the hammer of ‘ethics’ down in a big way. When there was no more ‘bridge to total freedom’ to offer, the ‘ideal org’ program and ‘IAS’ with its various statuses were conceived to bring in more cash. This has been wildly successful. The cult has more money than ever all the while offering the marks even less than Hubbard did in the 50s.
What will be the next iteration of the con? Only time will tell. Miscavige is getting a little long in the tooth so some other cultie will have to come up with a scheme to keep the cash coming in with the decades to come.
Thanks for the excellent history of the con, Miss B Haven.
Regarding Albuquerque, I though it already went Ideal? My friend joined staff there in around 2012 to help it “go ideal.” Did that never happen? Or did it go ideal and then stats fell off?
Well, in my book, the only ‘ideal org’ is a closed org. If Alba-que-que did ever ‘go ideal’ you can bet your bottom dollar that their stats did crash and the existing building is about as empty of staff and public as before the ribbon was yanked. All those who contributed cash to the effort are left holding the bag. They should have flushed their money down the toilet, at least then they would know where it went.
To the best of my knowledge, every org that has gone ‘St. Hill sized’, ‘ideal’, 5.4x, 47x or whatever order of magnitude is made up for the masses to get behind has crashed. Even St. HIll isn’t St. Hill sized anymore. It’s all a con, a shell game and a massive cash grab. Nothing more. That is all scientology has ever been or ever will be.
The cult is shriveling before the eyes of the world?
Well, there can only be one explanation for that. It must be the TWERP demanding that all things under his control must be shriveled – at least shriveled as much as he is.
Some people think the reason he is so shriveled is because all of his compassion, sympathy, kindness, humanity and all the other positive human feelings and emotions have been squeezed into tiny remnants of what they once were in order to make room for his monstrous greed, cruelty, ego-maniacal insanity and all the other feelings and emotions that are found in cruel and monstrous dictators and ego maniacs. There is just no room left for any of the positive qualities. Those have all been squeezed so much, they have almost been squeezed out of existence.
Miserable TWERP!
Skyler, I’m not certain that the Twerp™ ever had those qualities for them to shrivel away from. When I met the just-16 twerp he was just the bantam rooster strutting around, all full of hisself; worse than the Messengers on the land Base. I’m not entirely sure he was a Messenger yet, but he’d definitely dropped out of school just as things were about to get good
In my opinion, the only way any geographic entity could ever be called “ideal” would be if there were no cults active within the area. None. Zero. And especially not the cult headed by the terrible TWERP.
Skyler, we’re almost THERE, at the ideal state. I’m just 10 miles away from the org and ideal org “serving” Philadelphia. They have NO presence in the local media, and when they did a lecture for the local Mensa group, they didn’t give a good impression. I was tempted at the time to give them a verbal “flunk!” for totally blowing the opportunity. No TRs, no evident message to get across, seemingly undrilled at public speaking. I was embarrassed, and sad that they had fallen to those depths. They got one softball bullbait about the e-meter and just fell apart. I was there as a possible mediator as Mensans CAN be challenging audiences, but that time, they were perfectly fine.
One correction, there is an ideal org in KY. It is Scientology of Cincinnati. Though Cincinnati is in southern Ohio, the org is actually in northern KY, about 10 min from downtown.
Unfortunately, Scientology now operates out of the church I attended throughout high school, the former Florence Baptist Church. It was a Baptist church for over 100 years.
Not that this has any real bearing on your point, more of a clerical issue, but just thought I’d share that tidbit.
Thanks Jacob. You are of course correct. But I chose to be a bit loose as that is the Church of Cincinnati and serves that city, no church serves anywhere in the entire rest of the state. Sorry your church was taken over by the plague…
Along the same line, I was surprised to see Kansas listed as a Scientology Free State since there is a Kansas City Ideal Org.
Looking into it, the org is on the Missouri side of the river. Sad for Missouri, also home of the Applied Scholastics headquarters at Spanish Lake near Louisville.
Move these establishments a mile across the nearby rivers and Missouri could be Scientology Free. It is unlikely that very many Missouri residents are aware of this.
Since I live in Cincinnati I thought about this, too. But I wouldn’t put it past the Scamologists to claim that org for both Ohio and Kentucky, thus counting 2 (non-working, belly up) orgs in Ohio.
O/T. New law review article “Religious Legitimacy” by Phil Lord covers Scientology and is available for download.
Religious Legitimacy
(2021) 90:2 UMKC Law Review __ (Forthcoming)
64 Pages
Posted: 16 Mar 2021
Last revised: 18 Mar 2021
Phil Lord
McGill University – Faculty of Law; Carleton University – Department of Law
Date Written: 2021
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3798780
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Abstract
This article seeks to demonstrate both the importance of expertise and scholarship in framing a religion’s claim of legitimacy in law, and how expertise can be harnessed by a religious group to gain this legitimacy. From a broad overview of the consequences of religious status, the article analyses the tests used to attribute the status, to show the crucial role that they afford to experts and scholarship. It then argues that new religious movements, and Scientology, are ideal case studies to illustrate the importance of scholars and scholarship. Scientology is indeed the only major religion to have emerged in the twentieth century and is unique in that it has, over this period, gained, lost, re-gained, and grappled with ongoing challenges to its status in law. The article then illustrates these issues with an analysis of two key periods from Scientology’s history: its ultimately successful fight to gain tax-exempt status in the United States in the 1980s, and its response to modern-day challenges to its tax-exempt status. Both periods illustrate, in different ways, how Scientology has recognised the power of expertise and scholarship, and sought to harness it to frame its claim of legitimacy in law.
TABLE OF CONTENTS
Table of Contents 2
Introduction 3
I. Legal Consequences of the Attribution of Religious Status 5
II. The Role of Experts 13
III. Scholars as Experts 20
IV. Scientology: Fighting for Survival in the 1980s 26
V. Scientology: Facing Modern-Day Challenges to Legitimacy 46
Conclusion 62
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I guess you have to revise your estimate of what constitutes a “major” religion. There are many more Jedi knights than Scientologists in the UK census for example.
The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints was of the 19th century I suppose, probably also applies to the Jehovah’s Witnesses and Christian Science. All three much larger today than Scientology.
Surely NOI counts as a 20th century religion, though perhaps they would call themselves Muslim. Not a completely new religion, though they have strayed very far from their traditional Islamic roots.
These academics give Hubbard far too much credit. Just because he was willing to lie about creating a new religion just to get tax advantages and hide behind the First Amendment doesn’t make it so.
This kind of sophistry and legal hair-splitting just helps Miscavige and his expensive lawyers keep the scam alive.
Bruce:
I think that Lord Vader would not tolerate Miscaviage.
“Apology accepted, Captain Miscaviage”.
Bruce, that’s also just parroting fake news Scientology propaganda, unfortunately. I know there are a number of candidates for other new 20th century religions, from as large to much larger and actually approaching major – which Scientology of course is not actually. Among the candidates are:
Rastafari
Nation of Islam
Wicca
from https://hankeringforhistory.com/the-new-religions-of-the-20th-century/
I think I’ve also seen Baháʼí mentioned, which only came to the West in the 20th century, though it has 19th century origins in Persia. And including groups as small and minor as Scientology actually is, there would be a large number of other candidates, among them Anton LaVey’s Church of Satan, which is sometimes classified as a sibling of Hubbard’s Church of Scientology in descent from the Thelema of Aleister Crowley.
As modern society crumbles, an “ideal” Scientology obviously has some marketing edge. This strategy could have worked in the 1970’s. After half a century of failures, Hubbard’s scam has been uncovered. It is based on attempted mass hypnotism which only works on a small percentage of the population. The truth was uncovered by numerous authors capped by the Aftermath. For all of her faults, at least Blavatsky’s Theosophy was based on Occult nature. Hubbard’s greatest damage was in destroying the popularity of real Occult. Fortunately, Nation of Islam has filled the void and has earned the right to inherit the assets of Scientology. The ministers of NOI will one day realize that Hubbard was a perfect example of “inferior white intelligence”. It will split their religion in the end but a small few should end up in control of Scientology. This is the natural Occult prediction based on nature.
Oh so right Mike.
The ONLY purpose is MONEY. Like the bridge to total fleecedom there will NEVER be a real result. Well, except Registrar’s pockets being filled with commissions. I truly doubt the cult would have any success getting money for idle orgs if commissions were not being paid to the vultures pushing the sheeple for “donations”.
Truly wish the IRS deletes the cult’s exemption. Bet the sheeple would lose all incentive to hand over their money.
Glenn said:”Truly wish the IRS deletes the cult’s exemption. Bet the sheeple would lose all incentive to hand over their money.”
IMO, there are already good reasons for the sheep to avoid getting fleeced (again), but not all of them have twigged on them. Give them time to let the many messages seep in.
Hi Jere,
From personal experience, the registrars at flag have access to the “look in system” there. Cameras and microphones in auditing rooms that record it all. I was once “hit up” after session by a reg seeking donations to one of the cult’s many “causes”. The reg used information from the session that ended an hour earlier. Well, my friend. THAT began to wake me up and I walked out of the cult a month later.
Never fleeced again and that is a REAL success story.