I mentioned recently that we would have a write up from one of latest people helped by the The Aftermath Foundation. Here it is. With some interesting insight into the reality of the latest “ideal org” demonstrating the massive international expansion of scientology.
I was introduced to the world of Scientology in June of 2012 when I traveled from Utah to Michigan to do the Narconon program at the “Freedom Center” in Albion. After completing the program I was recruited to remain at the Narconon center as a staff member, which is a common practice at Narconon.
I was a withdrawal specialist for almost two years. I had to deal a lot with the sales staff telling lies to get people in the door. I would have to chase students down if they tried to leave. I was made to work 12-hr days 6 days a week. I would maybe get one paycheck a month.
At the end of 2014 I left and went back to Utah.
In September 2018 I got a phone call from a friend who had worked at Narconon with me. He was now the Deputy Executive Director for the Detroit Org and was recruiting as many staff as possible to prepare for the grand opening of their newly-renovated building in downtown Detroit.
I was given a bunch of false promises about the opportunity. I was told I would make up to $1,200 dollars per week. I was reassured multiple times that I’d be guaranteed a livable wage. I was told my first couple months rent would be free, so I could settle in. All of this turned out to be untrue.
I was skeptical after being burned by similar promises at Narconon, but after being given many assurances by my friend and the Sea Org recruitment team this would be a good career that paid real money, I agreed to join staff at the Detroit Org.
I traveled to Detroit to be present for the Grand Opening and signed a 2 1/2 year contract at the event. I then came back to Utah to pack my things and went back to Detroit.
The actual experience was nothing like what I had been promised.
At the grand opening event the SO recruitment team (SO members helping Detroit org recruit non-SO staff) told me there were 165 staff members. When I started on staff, I saw 30 staff at most. My first 2 weeks working there while also doing my basic staff training I made $100 a week. I was told pay would get better once I was finished with my basic staff training.
However, once I was done with my basic staff training they wanted me to become the Purification Rundown In-Charge, but I would need to do some full-time training for this post first. Well that made things worse for me since staff on full-time training only receive half-pay. I said I didn’t want to do this, but I wasn’t given a choice.
For the next two months, the most pay I received for any week was $200.
The low number of staff was a problem. The main focus of every staff meeting was what we could all be doing to recruit more staff. The were only 5 staff qualified to deliver auditing. The rest of the divisions each had 1 or 2 staff in them.
Every public who came in for course or auditing was also heavily recruited for staff. The gross income of the org was so low that staff members were being regged to pay for courses and auditing (this is supposed to be free for staff members).
I was working for Scientology full-time making almost no money. I was renting a room at a staff house the org had leased and was sub-leasing to new staff members. What little money I was earning was going back to Scientology in rent and I barely had enough left over to eat. I didn’t have enough to make my car payment or insurance payments. This was not what I signed up for and I wanted to leave but couldn’t afford to get home.
I told them I wanted to leave and they said I had to route off of staff property (this requires lengthy interrogations). Since I wanted to leave, they stopped paying me anything at all, and wanted me to go through this process on my own time and dime.
While I was in the process of routing out it came up that in the past I had seen a psychiatrist. I had told the SO recruitment team about this before joining staff and was told that I was still qualified to join. Apparently none of the SO members wrote down what I’d told them, so when it came up again, the Detroit staff believed I had lied about my past just to get on staff.
Scientology has a policy called “Leaving and Leaves” which says that if you are leaving it is a crime to tell anyone else about it. So I was prohibited from speaking to anyone else there about what I was going on with me at the time.
I was stuck. I reached out to friends and family in Utah for help. They posted on Reddit asking for advice on how to get someone out of Scientology. Several people suggested they contact the Aftermath Foundation, which they did.
Very soon after, the Foundation helped me with the funds I needed to rent a trailer, get current on my insurance so I would be street-legal, get caught up on my car payment so it wouldn’t be repossessed when I got back to Utah, and enough funds for food, fuel and hotel for my trip home. They supported me every step of the way, which included getting stuck in a snow-storm, getting sidelined by a windstorm, etc. It was a crazy adventure.
I could not have left the Detroit Org and gotten home without their help.
J.T.
Ron Miscavige Podcast This Morning
Around 11am EST this morning I will be joining my old friend Ron Miscavige (you may be surprised about how long we have known each other…) on his weekly podcast.
I recently lost my girlfriend to Sea Org.
After spending a couple of weeks researching this evil cult I donated 800$ to The Aftermath Foundation.
If it doesn’t help her to escape then I hope it will help someone else in need.
I only wish there was more I can do to help bring down these bastards.
Keep up the good work.
Thanks so much for your support
Here are some indicators which identify human trafficking that I have read about in victims testimony about their time in Scientology.
– Is not free to leave or come and go at will
– Is unpaid, paid very little, or paid only through tips
– Works excessively long and/or unusual hours
– Is not allowed breaks or suffers under unusual restrictions at work
– Owes a large debt and is unable to pay it off
– Was recruited through false promises concerning the nature and conditions of his/her work
– High security measures exist in the work and/or living locations (e.g. opaque windows, boarded up
windows, bars on windows, barbed wire, security cameras, etc.)
– Is living and working on site
– Experiences verbal or physical abuse by their supervisor
– Is not given proper safety equipment
– Is not paid directly
– Is forced to meet daily quotas
– Exhibits unusually fearful or anxious behavior after bringing up law enforcement or immigration
officials
– Has few or no personal possessions
– Is frequently monitored
– Is not in control of their own identification documents (ID or passport)
– Is not allowed or able to speak for themselves (a third party may insist on being present and/or
translating)
– Shares scripted, confusing, or inconsistent stories
– Protects the person who may be hurting them or minimizes abuse
Some, if not all, of these indicators can be shown to have been present in many cults of the past and present. If Law Enforcement Organizations have any common sense, they should be be able to realize that a so called religion should not have that many things in common with human trafficking organizations.
JT,
I am so glad you’re OUT and even gladder that AF was able to help you. Thank you for sharing the details here. The lies…wow, the LIES, the whoppers you were told, to get you to sign up…wow.
Yo, OSA –
Eat your hearts out, Cult Creeps monitoring this blog!
Aftermath Foundations’ stats are UP!
Pity you can’t say the same, eh?
Starting March 1st I’m signing up to donate to The Aftermath Foundation.
It won’t be a huge sum at all but it will be something each month.
In Scientologese, I want to “contribute to this motion”.
Go Mike, Go Leah, Go Aftermath Foundation!
You ROCK!
I’m so grateful for The Aftermath Foundation and happy you are safely out!
This story warms my heart, so happy for JT !!! I am a contributor to the Aftermath Foundation and I can’t express in words what it feels like to know that all the amazing people connected to the foundation are definitely making a difference. I understand why annomitty is necessary, but hearing success stories are the best. Thanks Mike for all you do, I know some days it cannot be easy. You are making a difference. ❤️
What did the 2.5 year contract say? Employment contracts are enforceable by law.
Many contracts list legally unenforceable terms in the hopes that signers will be intimidated and not contest them. I’m willing to bet that they won’t try to enforce anything merely because it’ll cost them too much.
Contracts work both ways – if there was any mention of salary or pay, you can bet the Co$ will not pursue legal action since they don’t hold up their end of the deal
Not to mention everything that would come up in discovery.
I think these fools learned their lesson with the Debbie Cook litigation
Thanks for your story, J.T!
I was always speculating that the huge increase in staff numbers for idle mOrgs would cause a flood of newly dissatisfied ex-staff members; actually, I’m glad to hear that staffing levels are much lower in practise.
I hope you get fully out of the mental prison that L Ron Hubbard built for you and wish you all the best doing what you would like to do.
(Oh, and cool initials 🙂 )
O/T. I thought this might be of interest As you may be aware the uk is in the middle of brexit , and as the debate continues some labour and Tory MPs have quit their party and formed a loose alliance . The Garduian newspaper published an article liking the abuse the defectors are receiving on social media to the treatment of sp’s by Scientology. This was an omg moment to see this written in a political news article and not in a comment on Scientology piece.
Just testing; haven’t been able to get my comments up here.
Thank you J.T. for sharing your story. We are all so very happy that you received the help needed through the Aftermath Foundation to get away from this group.
Your story is inspiring and highlights the very important work that the foundation is doing. It also shows just how important it is for them to continue to have support from the individuals who donate their time and money to the Aftermath Foundation.
I’m ready for the survivors of David Miscavige’s sexual abuse to step forward united as one to make him pay for what he’s done to them. He’s a horrible, evil, sick little fucker.
If it can happen to R. Kelly, it can certainly happen to DM. He would seem to deserve it a lot more than R. Kelly who remains in prison because he cannot raise the bail money.
How broke is Scamatology? I wonder when DM is arrested if anyone will want to help get him bail money. Wouldn’t it be funny if …. LOL!
Amazing story
Been donating via amazon smile and I did a birthday fundraiser on fb…keep up the good work! If you need help in DFW let me know.
That’s awesome that you’re out and thanks for putting forth your story! I’m a proud donor to The Aftermath Foundation and it made my day to learn of another person being able to live their life free of lies and abuses. Keep up the excellent work Mike, and everyone else involved- I am sure there will be more stories like this in the future.
Well done JT and stay strong. One less in CoS, and one more back in humanity. J.T not only have you conquered your addiction, you have defeated the cult, which is probably a greater mind altering substance.
Thanks to Aftermath and Mike , thanks for posting that Aftermath supports people world wide. I hope people across the globe will get behind you and donate whatever they can afford.
Welcome JT. So happy you are out. I love hearing how the Aftermath Foundation is helping people!
Congrats on making it go right to get out, JT. Your story moved me. I wish you all the best in your life. And I’d love to read more Aftermath escape stories. That makes all our efforts and donations worthwhile. I am using the Smile thing on Amazon go donate and it’s working well as I order a lot on Amazon.
The “Rock Festival”… I was there…what a mess….brought back a lot of memories Mike.
Great interview with two legacy friends ?
How do this “cult” conduct a drug rehabilitation center? I thought that the program and the workers are to be professionals in their fields with degrees from colleges and board certified, would this practiced be against the law?
Sandra,
I’m a CA credentialed (non-degreed but experienced & trained) addiction counselor, as well as an anti-Narconon crusader. Different states have differing organizational oversight for addiction treatment facilities & staff, but at a minimum, all have requirements for some type of credentialing & training/education for addiction counselors. Narconon is devious at sidestepping accepted standards in the states they infest. The CA Health & Human Setvices Field Rep I chatted with, after he’d inspected the treatment facility where I work, told me “off the record” that they more and more are eyeing Narconon for violations and abuses. Let us hope this is an increasing national trend, but, as I’ve done by reporting Narconon-related GoFundMe campaigns and other such online Narconon efforts, we “public” can nibble away at them, inflicting “death by a thousand cuts,” so to speak.
JT, your story is mine as well. I was lured onto staff with a lot of promises that never materialized. It was only when I left staff and got a part-time job at Goodwill that I began to ‘flourish and prosper ‘.
Sad and pathetic if you think about it.
I don’t think it is in the least sad or pathetic.
Goodwill is an honest, respectable . helpful organization and your working there is (was) honest work for a salary, albeit possibly a small one, as well as for a veru good cause! Working there helped you get back on your feet in the real world. Be PROUD of that, I say. Very well done, I say!
O/T. New book about Scientology: Shrapnel in the San Fernando Valley, by Carol Es [@esart on Twitter].
Amazon: Shrapnel in the San Fernando Valley, by Carol Es
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07NVWJTV9
Kirkus Review: https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/carol-es/shrapnel-in-the-san-fernando-valley/
I’ll also note that Nancy Many, author of My Billion Year Contact: Memoir of a Former Scientologist, gave the book a good review.
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Thanks for the link.
It’s great to hear this true “success story” out – literally – of Scientology. It’s also really significant to hear a bit about what is actually going on inside the “ideal” org facilities being opened these days.
This confirms that Scientology is no longer even trying to have some short-lived staff-up anywhere near the supposed requirement (which I suspect is being met on paper, and for the purpose of “stats,” with “postulate” contracts from people far away who never actually show up), and that the 20 to 30 people seen in staff photos, or about the same staff size as an average org (though perhaps larger than some small and failing orgs might previously have had) is all there is.
$200 a week would actually be a significant improvement over long-term pay standards of $50 or less – apparently as part of Scientology’s “you can have it all” staff recruiting campaign – but obviously it’s still not consistent, which leaves it still not enough for someone to live on. For comparison, and a reality-check, the federal minimum wage, which is still not necessarily a living wage, is $290 for a 40 hour week, and so a number of states have enacted their own minimum wages 35% to 65% higher; the average salary for Christian Church employees is $42,000 per year, or $800 per week, plus benefits including retirement (even if only just Social Security).
Mike it must be so very gratifying for you to see the fruits of your labor pay off in such a spectacular way! You are truly making a difference and changing people’s lives. Congrats to all involved with The Aftermath Foundation! It’s stories like these that give us all hope that Scientology will cease to ruin people’s lives
JT so happy you were able to leave COS. Thank you for sharing your story. Took guts. And know that a lot of folks will be sending you positive and healing thoughts on your new journey.
Driver,
enter ‘ smile.anazon ‘ instead of ‘amazon’ in your browser.
It’s SMILE.AMAZON.COM
JT welcome to the new season of your life where you’re NOT being used, lied to and taken advantage of! You should be very proud of yourself for not only coming through addiction on your OWN (because NarCONon is NOT successful OR supportive nor is it conducive to focusing on what’s healthiest for YOU! That’s an incredible accomplishment and don’t let anyone take that from you!
You deserved the help in getting out and your willingness to share will inspire and assist many more do the same. You immediately went into trying to help others, which says much about your character. You were clearly trying to be absolutely responsible and were lied to – I’m excited for the new season you’re starting and know you’ll do well. I’m glad you have a support system of those that love you and please know that so many of us out here are rooting for you and are happy to be an ear & shoulder when you need it.
I’ve never been in but CO$ impacted my family to a great degree. I’ve dealt with addiction and mental health issues in my family and even my own life. There are incredible exes who post here, on Tony Ortega’s blog & ESMB that provide a family-like support atmosphere and genuinely care. So on any rough days you encounter, plz don’t be afraid to reach out. The people involved in Aftermath Foundation will NOT be bullied or cowed by CO$’s weak attempts to thwart their amazing work and stories like yours are exactly why we’re all on here, care so much and support AF!
Hugs and congratulations!
Hi Jenn…..Tomorrow, but I am not sure of what time in YOUR area…that show about childhood schizophrenia is going to be broadcast on Dr. Phil.. I know you were very interested in it as am I.
Hugs xoxoxo
Hugs right back and I will be watching it! Thanks so much! Xoxo Lots of love to you BalletLady (lol keeps trying to auto correct to Baller Lady…!)
HEY JENN….I just saw a broadcast UPDATE….the show we want to watch is on TOMORROW…Tuesday. I receive it on FOX Channel 5 here on the East Coast….we also can view Dr. Phil on OWN (Oprah Winfrey Network) BUT this show is on FOX .
I swear on Friday they announced it was supposed to be on today, Monday…BUT the new announcement said it is on TUESDAY….so sorry!
ANYONE interested in viewing a show about mental illness in CHILDREN & Schizophrenia might want to tune in.
High winds last night & again today….we lost power for a few minutes last night…tree limbs are bouncing & some dropping off…scary stuff. Took the dog out for a walk, I felt almost blown off my feet.
Thanks for the excellent news. What a great story. Good job Aftermath Foundation !
I Loved the video of you and Ron Miscavige. Good friends.
I am sorry you both had to suffer at the cult Int Base.
I agree that L Ron Hubbard’s Scientology Technology, when followed exactly, creates sociopaths and empowers psychopaths.
It is very dangerous.
You all escaped and did not become monsters like David Miscavige.
I feel bad for Ron Senior because he clearly got into Scientology to help. It’s sad his son is a monster.
So sorry to hear what they subjected you to, but thrilled you are finally out for good. May your future be full of love, friendship, happiness and freedom
Just wondering if Aftermath funding is available for Canadians?
Of course. It is not limited by geography. Scientology victims are all over the world.
Thanks Mike, good to know!
Mike,
Please may I have a MAIL IN address as I DO NOT make ANY donations on line…..this is a wonderful heart warming story as it shows….
AFTERMATH CAN & IS DOING SOMETHING!!!
Here, from the website:
The Aftermath Foundation
4833 Front Street B #414
Castle Rock CO 80104
Thank YOU! For some reason I thought I had an address stashed away & it was a NYC address…..Now I can send in a donation!
Off Topic once more. Mike, please feel free to delete this post if it seems to you that it impedes the flow of this thread or topic under discussion. I just want to say:
I am in Canada and I want to express my gratitude to Mike for creating and working on this blog every single day. It has helped me greatly – although it has helped me in a way that is very different from what most people might expect. I am very grateful to Mike and this blog and to all the EOS (Enemies of Scamatology) like myself because I feel wonderful every time I read another entry describing how we all are part of this magnificent struggle to topple this most evil, disgusting and dreadful scam known as Scamatology. I’m so sorry that I forget just where I read this quote. I believe the following quote was made by Ghandi or Mandella who said words to the effect that every single terrible Totalitarian system of government was eventually defeated and lost in the sands of time. I don’t recall the reason they gave. But I would expect the reason was that eventually every leader of such a system goes crazy with their insane delusions that they are essentially God or the son of God or something else similar to that and they try to act on that insane belief until they wind up dead because of that.
All I can say about that is that I hope and pray the end of this insane scam known as “Scamatology” is just around the corner and will come very soon. I also have a personal desire to see its leader led away shamed beyond belief as he so rightly deserves.
I also hope and pray that all his victims will find compensation in such a way that makes all of them happy and all of us laugh and laugh and laugh. God bless you all and ……
Fuck Scientology!
There is a guy on YouTube called “Darth Xander” who regularly goes to flag and films the SO members. He needs to get some aftermath foundation cards or something to spread the word.
Great thread Mike!
Extremely powerful example of how this cult lies and lies and lies.
I have to echo Mary’s sentiments that it is so difficult to get these kinds of stories to people who are currently in the SO.
Sadly ironic these stories would help them so much while they are still in the SO but so very few can get to see them until they have found a way to leave the SO first.
A church built on lies.
A church that tells lies and sells lies.
A church destroying itself with lies.
The cycle of action.
“THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM.” — LRH.
All- off topic again, but there is a perfect opportunity for some movement- the Los Angeles District Attorneys office released a story about the sentencing of a teacher for sexual abuse. I have taken the opportunity to ask about the Masterson case and why, exactly, there have been no charges filed or an arrest. I asked if it was because if his celebrity (as many celebrities seem to get preferential treatment) OR if it was because her office is bowing to pressure from Scientology. Please join me in asking questions of the agency who is responsible for (not) bringing a criminal case when there is evidence and multiple complaints from different people. There are several ways to contact the office including their twitter page and email- the more public the questions the more they are likely to pay some attention to popular opinion.
Thanks-
Kat,
I’m so impressed by how vocal and involved you’ve become so quickly! I seek recall in one of your comments mentioning that you work in medicine or mental health – so thank you very much for your involvement, as it’s so important that professionals in those arenas understand more about scientology and the impact on its current and past members!
I’ve written on social media, but I agree it’s time to get more direct in my communications and for others to as well (I know so many have already) to combat the lies and fake letters they’ve been getting from the cult. Thanks for the prompt!
Jenyfurr,
I worked in mental health (and the laws surrounding the subject) as well as medicine. I left the mental health profession mostly due to my work in the federal prison system- it was very disappointing and extremely frustrating. I changed my main focus to medicine as I like having the ability to directly help people in a way that has a positive impact. One thing I have never stopped doing was educating and advocating for positive societal change. I have been sharing the problem of Scientology with my network as well as my team at work- I’m very stubborn and don’t like defeat, so I’m on board for the duration!
I think this fight is admirable, and I want to move the needle forward as much as possible. I don’t think the IRS will be able to do much to rescind the status that it mistakenly conferred on Scientology, but there are definitely other ways to fight this group. Publicity is probably the best thing to seek right now as Mike’s show has shone a light on the abuses. I also know that law makers and politicians have very short memories, and generally will ignore something if it’s not continuously in front of them. There are ways to make sure that doesn’t happen, and I’ve been looking for all of the possible avenues to continually remind people of this group’s abuses.
Thanks for the kind words!
One of the lessons here is to NEVER trust a promise by a Scientologist. They are taught to lie. Get those promises in writing or walk out the door!
I’m guessing they are taught that when they lie in the service of their scam it is not really a lie. It is a blessed and divine method to trick the wogs and scumbags and take their money to be used to help them.
In other words, they are not lying to people. They are “helping” people.
Talk about psychopaths? There you have it.
In one of Hubbard’s treatises on “ethics” called “Responsibility of Leaders”, Hubbard identified Simon Bolivar and his entourage being too honorable and unwilling to resort to means such as throwing the daughters of his enemies to negro troops as the cause for Simon Bolivar dying poor.
Hubbard wanted no part of dying honorable yet poor himself so he basically told his followers through inference that he would not hold them accountable for nasty dishonorable actions taken towards his “enemies” (those who would hold him accountable for his abuse and exploitation). I hear that far from being shocked at Hubbard’s priorities, Responsibility of Leaders is one of DM’s favorite references.
I was lied to about the actual conditions of staff both times I was recruited for staff. The first time rendered me homeless (I actually thought I had a job where I could pay rent) and when I was pissed about them lying to me, they flipped it around and made ME out to be the jerk for being pissed about being lied to and the destruction their lies caused me. They told me that I was only pissed because I had overts and if I just wrote them up I would feel much better. Instead of them owning up to being unethical themselves, they victim blamed me because they were unethical but couldn’t face it in themselves.
In retrospect this was weaponized use of confession to get away with lying to me and destroying my life which they did without blinking or a second thought. To them, that wasn’t a bad thing because they acquired more free labor in the cause of saving the universe. My little life was meaningless compared to the universe.
The second time I was recruited for staff (I still believed there had to be some good in it and that the mission I had first joined was particularly crazy – which it was even by CofS standards), I sorta had the idea that they weren’t always entirely honest in their recruitment promises so I took measures to protect myself. Turned out that they had lied to me so much and so profoundly (my org had been moved into a building much too big and expensive by management to prepare for the Goodwill games boom that never happened, so what little pay there was got taken and applied to back rent to avoid eviction) that my safeguards simply weren’t enough so once again I found myself destitute while working my guts out “saving the universe”.
I also saw SO recruit after SO recruit lied to. The recruits would be told that there was married couple berthing but when they arrived all such berthing was full or being renovated so they slept on a matress in a hall or something. I took to taking new recruits aside and making sure that they knew what they were getting into, until after a while I started thinking, “I shouldn’t have to be doing this”. At first I had thought that all of the crazy stuff I had seen were isolated incidents but after a while it became “clear” that it was a long standing pattern of deception and nastiness. A lot of it they get away with internally through the use of weaponized confession against their victim to avoid taking responsibility for their lies and exploitation, as I mentioned earlier.
Hubbard’s “ethics” system is really a corruption system wherein almost any horrible thing is justified as the “greater good”. It is a greater good to force one’s friends and teammates to terminate their pregnancies in order to secure more free labor for DM without having to spend on childcare than it is to allow the universe to be destroyed. It is a greater good to threaten the family of a reluctant volunteer in order to force them to work against their will for free in the service of saving the universe than it is to allow the universe to be destroyed for lack of free labor.
So yeah you are right, they lie and do all sorts of nasty stuff without blinking or thinking twice and will even pronounce themselves to be “highly ethical” because they have justified their crimes to themselves so well and they know that they won’t be held accountable for them.
Even getting a promise in writing doesn’t work. I had a promise in writing from one of the head honchos at Flag and then they all ignored it and told me to stop showing that piece of paper or Id get in trouble.
Slightly O/T — yesterday I happily purchased something using smiles.amazon.com – again I recommend this as a very easy and free way to donate to a charity, Aftermath Foundation hopefully. And I’m sorry if this is dumb though…I did this via my laptop which plainly showed that I was doing this correctly. But my dumb question is: when I went to the Amazon app, I saw no mention of smiles.amazon.com. So I don’t want to make a purchase via the app and it not donate. How do I make a purchase on the app so that it will also donate? TIA
You have to use smile.amazon.com for them to donate. If you go to amazon.com, no donation is made. It took me a couple of orders to get used to this, but now it is second nature. And of course, you must select what charity you want their donations to go first, but this step is only done once.
I had a problem as well. Very confusing.
It’s smile.amazon.com
Not anazon nor smiles
The Aftermath Fdn is saving lives. I wish it’s existence could better be made known to Sea Org members. Hard to get through the sequestration.
So happy it is known about on the outside.
Thank you all who are/were instrumental in forming it and to the board.
Fly over their prison in Hemet and drop thousands of fliers.
That would be phenominal.
Mary,
I wonder if there is a way to get a billboard company to donate space for the aftermath foundation near Flag and near Hemet- I think those are the two places where the ads would do the most good. I do not have any contacts in those areas, but maybe someone out there does? If not, maybe we could actually play the Scientology game and do a go fund me ad to raise money for it!
CCHR hired a Blimp at Galveston which had Psyche Kills in lighted scrolling display ♦ Security for our accommodations — the Woggie Hotel not our security — asked me to leave after interview → I was informed of that request by our Team Lead as this was a CCHR Op not any Lame Dis Organized Team → Try Skywriting Aerial Advertising
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While we’re on the subject, ALL Narconon locations should be shut down. They are literally DANGEROUS. People have died!
For less than the price that Narconon charges, you can go to a medical facility that actually has nurses and doctors on staff, and that uses medically proven methods of detoxification – NOT cold turkey, NOT dangerous amounts of niacin, NOT dangerous amount of time spent in a sauna and….NOT unproven scientology quackery – delivered by untrained people and conceived by a science fiction writer, compulsive liar, and con artist.
I completely agree! I think this all the time. When I was younger I went to rehab. twice. It was life saving. The wrong choice of treatment facilities truly can be the difference in life of death. Narconon is a truly disturbing aspect of scientology! I can’t believe that get away with that shit!!
AS Detroit goes, so goes America. That was an old adage, but it does paint a nice picture, doesn’t it?
I bet all the SO were so jealous about the hundred dollars a week. Two hundred must have really burned their toast. If they could afford toast.
Yikes!!!
Narconon, the cure that is worse than the addiction
Mike,
I really enjoyed the podcast- Great stories! I have one question/comment: the question about Miscavige being the perfect sea-org member- was he exhibiting sociopathic characteristics prior to joining, or did he create the persona to gain leverage and status? I do beleive he is a sociopath (although I wouldn’t be able to make a formal diagnosis), but the question of whether he already was a sociopath or voluntarily shaped himself into one becomes interesting because of the possible end-games available to him. I do beleive the cult is nearing it’s nadir and if he is a born sociopath that could be an extremely dangerous time. If he has voluntarily shaped himself into taking on the characteristics it could still be bad, but he may have some vestiges of a conscious in there somewhere. Most sociopaths will not accept losing.
Do you have an opinion? Does his father describe some of his early childhood behavior ( before he became a sea org member) in his book?
Kat — I am not sure. I didnt know him intimately enough before he was in the Sea Org to be able to form an opinion. My guess is that a true sociopath has some inherent personality characteristics, and then they find themselves (or create) in an environment that rewards that behavior, the combination of the two is where you get destruction on a grand scale.
Thanks for the response. I agree about sociopaths being drawn to specific situations that they can flourish in. I hope that Miscavige still has some vestige of humanity left, but the more I discover the less hope I have of this ending nicely- although it may just be an endgame where he self destructs or flees the country and goes into hiding somewhere like Hubbard did. (best case scenario)
Kat, I think scientology and lrh policies definitely added to DM’s sociopathic personality. I think it gave him free reign to be sadistic and cruel. And to destroy, etc. in the name of Keeping Scientology working.
I did very deep work on Narcisst and Sociopaths which has few reasons to hope Miscavige Jr. will do anything of the sort: His case is Ultra Apparent to me as one whom assumes such role given a MLM Personality; I think he has few if any reasons to question his own participation as his focus will — likely — be family ~ to get to him you have to find his Ruin which will be a sensitive area so rather than any Endgame consider this an eternal battle which never cease; Only the players take differing positions as the thing proceeds
I met a person when I was on at PAC whom I went to the E/O to ask about
He had stated that Packaging as we see it now was the preferential goal
E/O told me had problems from this person so I left it at that
Examine the idea the DM Junior is a sort of Goal Directed Superficial Personality which has his sights set on MLM where the population is to serve the organization
Nicholas,
I feel like you have some unique insights, but as a never-in I don’t understand some of the lingo. Can you tell me what PAC, E/O and MLM are?
PAV I will leave for Mr. Rinder to detail
E/O is Ethics Officer
MLM is multi-level Marketing
Nicholas Jordan, respectfully, I don’t understand a thing you’ve said.
Accepted; One does not need to be respectful for me — which is another discussion completely; entirely; disparate from this idea which I posted — the essence or intent is to delve into Kat LaRue posted somewhere some clinic work which is I have found ^estremely^ relevant to devolving Hubbards penny-a-word SF with Ackerman selling it;
Vis-a-vis what 8’s _claim_ they can do
I think my other post got scrubbed so they have a way to filter what gets posted though for my individual case; I am considering Mr. Rinders previous work in the arena of discussion — The mind; As Cerebral Tissue along with Synaptic Ion Channels and all of the body can and does mimic perception very effectively though what Miss Cabbage Junior has done with the organized work has blocked any access to materials I need to work with which — as an example: Compare the word Sadistic ( which I am ) to the writings in 8-80 or such where Beautiful Sadness is given as a term to work as contemplative
Keen on being correct; This computer-machine we use is ^^heavily^^ monitored by such things as OSA and similar though for me in my instant case ( instance not instantly ) I see nearly all of what is current circa mid to late 50’s and into the 60-s with occasional Ultra Deep Seeing such that I can detail matters such as clothing; personna; acts and activities; of others well removed from any locality where am as a body; at the time
I can make jokes with this 7-thing and yes some do expire though it is not as-seen
Such has nothing to do with the Material which is what I call Existential
Very good comment Mike. And let’s not forget that as a 12 year old doing auditor training at St Hill, David Miscavige hit his pc in a session and it was all covered up. But that temper and violent nature was present at 12 years of age.
There are some reports, such as of Miscavige attacking his auditor at Saint Hill when, as a young teenager, his family first went there, that would seem confirm that he had a violent if not even pathological streak early on.
I haven’t read his father Ron Miscavige’s book, but that probably has some good clues as to his son’s personality prior to, and early in, his involvement in Scientology. The father was also apparently prone to violence, to begin with.
Regardless of how Miscavige got to be how he is, I think it’s safe to say that his pathological personality is now extreme, and that he’s likely to continue to act out his worst impulses.
Peacemaker,
The poor impulse control is disturbing. If he has long term issues with impulsivity (depending on the context of whether or not he’s hitting as a mechanism of intimidation or if he can’t control himself) it greatly impacts the likelihood of future behavior.
JT, I’m so glad you are out and safe now. Thank you for sharing your story.
Mike, do the contracts Org staff sign mention pay rates? Are they considered employees or religious workers?
Considered “volunteers” for a religious organization.
Money for short-term costs of rent, car, insurance and food – very basic stuff, but it is a real help and I can see how this would make all the difference in the world.
I’m amazed Narconon can get away with their treatment of workers as they are ostensibly “secular.”
They are ostensibly killing people. And they are ostensibly charging huge amounts of money for what is nonsense.
I’m sure you know Mike, that we have a new governor in Florida. Set up a meeting with him please. I believe DeSantas could do some good.
Everything eventually comes to an end. Scientology is closer to this than you think.
Mike B, you are absolutely correct! They are losing people by the dozens.
Join me in a rousing salute to fatso: Hip, Hip, FUCK YOU!
OSD – It’s Wonderful to see you back and full of vim and vinegar!
Thanks Belynda! It feels great posting again! My demise was greatly exaggerated. I mean, COME ON! I’m the Old Surfer Dude! I’m not going anywhere!
Lyintology never fails to disappoint and do their scorpion and the frog/wog bit. It’s precisely these kinds of successful cult escapes we love to hear of. Life is hard enough without the moronic LRH’s of the planet screwing up people’s lives and creating misery with their fantasies and ill-conceived dribble designed to make money and create brain-washed disciples.
Thank you for sharing your story. Thank you Aftermath Foundation for all the work that is being done to help those in Scientology who wish to escape.
I am so happy to hear things are going shitty in Detroit for them.
I know, huh? It’s just so much fun watching their demise!
This is “all” our responsibility to expose and dissolve this cult! They’ve infiltrated our most popular cities. What’s next in these cities, our schools and colleges? Over powering other righteous churches? Seems tactics need to be make to freeze their bank accounts! Cut off the vendors who support them.
What can we your viewers do to help your efforts? Help these people get out and get help?Great job Mike and Leah!
Thank you Aftermath Foundation!
You deliver what was promised.
I am glad I donated.
Another Utah resident
Thank you for sharing this with us. Unfortunately by now I am not surprised or shocked at how this person was treated. I am sure the person blames themself for going back, feels inadequate, etc but should not. This story shows truly wanted to help people through narconon which was presented to be something it was not. Thus person also wanted to go back and live a productive life and make a difference in Detroit and did everything to make sure he had all his ducks in a row before agreeing to go to be able to contribute, live and pay for his needs only to have them shoot his ducks down by doing their customary bait and switch on him. This persons actions do not show weakness or stupidity but shows a great person, trying to help people, trying to be a productive hard working citizen, trying to earn and make their own way in life, but most of all the courage and strength to quickly realize Scientology’s scam and to not be embarrassed or afraid to reach out for help with family and the community. All of those traits is a great citizen and we as citizens help people in need. That’s how it is suppised to be. We all care for each other, help each other and wish the best for people and also work and live for ourselves and make it a better place for all when we leave life. Scientology does not do that, but opposite.
Well said! This is why the Aftermath Foundation is so vital and important for us all to support. It’s precisely how “Something CAN be done about it!”
Well-said! I so agree!
J.T., thank you for sharing your story – I am so glad to know you are out and safe. You are a good, worthwhile person who was taken advantage of! I wish you all the best!
Aftermath Foundation, you rock! I am so proud to continue to contribute to this organization. What you are doing is saving lives – thank you!
I can’t help wondering how many wage and employment laws are being broken with all the unfulfilled promises made to get people on staff.
Not likely. All staff are volunteers for a religious organization.
In CA there is a law where you can nail an prospective employer who entices you to move a certain minimum distance for a job and then doesn’t deliver what was promised. Other states may have similar laws. As long ass you can prove they promised you could nail them. Copy of an email with the fraudulent terms offered would do it.
Assuming that the person who applied for the job did so in good faith. Lying on an application may get you the job but if you cannot do what you claimed, not even california will save you.
Every person helped to leave this cult is a major victory! The abuses this cult practices need to stop
This story is inspiring! Aftermath Foundation you are doing so much good. Thank you for what you stand for and the help you give.
I’m so sorry you had to endure this trauma. Very happy you are safe!
Please keep publishing all these stories. People will start to learn more and more there is now an option. How does one donate to the Aftermath Foundation?
Hi Stephanie! At the beginning of Mike’s post, the words “Aftermath Foundation” are a link. Click there and it will take you to the site. If you are an Amazon Prime member, you can also donate through their “Amazon Smile” page; just put in The Aftermath Foundation as your donation.
I loved this post, btw. So good to hear from people the Foundation is helping!
You can donate here:
http://theaftermathfoundation.org/donate/
Amazing news. They are such liars….liar, liar your pants on fire! About everything…………wish you the best J.T, you have your whole future ahead of you.
So glad you are out and safe! Wishing you peace and healing!
Thank you Mike and the Aftermath Foundation for saving this lost beat down human being! How do they legally get away of holding people without their permission? It’s just horrendous.