As a companion to the post yesterday about Sydney “ideal” org comes this from Perth.
Since the beginning of civilization (which according to Hubbard begins with the release of Dianetics — hence 2020 is really “AD 70”) Perth has been a lonely and pathetic outpost in the scientology world. Nothing much has ever happened there with the exception of buying a new building. And literally, that was it. They got new premises out in the sticks and it has stayed as moribund as it had been for the previous 40 or 50 years.
They are not even up to thinking about “going SH Size.” They are stoked by selling 45 books and “planning” to set up Stress Tests.
This is what several million dollars worth of new building accomplishes.
More fail.
So much for “solving it with scientology.”
Hi Mike. I live in Perth. The Org here is a non entity. Wouldn’t even know it was here, thankfully,
COVID may actually be responsible for driving some people to these bogus ‘stress test’ setups. People have been in lockdown, they’re trapped at home with the kids (saw a video on tv the other night of a guy going off on his local school board because they refused to reopen the schools for another 6 months. He went off not because he was a COVID denier but because he was pushed to the breaking point having to actually be home with his own kids 24/7), they’re under restrictions on movement and freedoms and that causes stress. Then the restrictions get lifted a little and they go the mall and there’s someone there testing you’re ‘stress levels’ for free. Then after they tell you how messed up you are they sell you the BOOK (dmsmh). 45 books in 7 days isn’t great but to Scn in Perth that’s HUGE. I have to agree with someone above that I feel like those numbers may be a little doctored. Like maybe making some of the public Scn come by and purchase books. Either way I seriously doubt they will get even one person to come in via these book sales.
They are not telling people they are Scientologists either. I thought most people knew that Dianetics was Scientology but obviously they don’t. Then when they go home and Google it they find out they’ve been deceived. I saw a Facebook post that was reposted in the comment section over at Ortega’s blog where a mother and minor child had obviously taken a stress test at a fair. A couple of days go by when the minor child starts getting text bombed by Org Staff. Staff KNEW this was a minor child. They mentioned the child’s mother in the text. The mother texted them back and told them to stop texting her minor child. She also stated that she didn’t know that they were affiliated with the Church of Scientology when she bought the book and that they never mentioned that fact during the time they were at the kiosk. The mother stated she would be returning the books to the Church for refunds. Needless to say no one texted her back. I wonder if she got that refund.
If one is so proud of their ‘church’ then why try to hide it? Why go through all that patter to sell books, which is supposed to be the stepping stone to get new meat to the Org, if you aren’t going to tell people who those books represent? It’s not like it was in the 50’s…we have the internet now. Info at your fingertips. Scn is going to have to evolve or die. You’re looking at a multi billion dollar business being run by a high school dropout…and it shows.
Linear13 extended:
“Scn is going to have to evolve or die.”
And it CAN’T change by Hubbard’s immortal edict, so it’s dying, if not effectively dead already.
Those lucky Perth bastards are so far away from CLO in Sydney that there’s breathing room. It cost CLO more to send a mission there than any other Australian org. I’m sure their remoteness helped with the stress a little.
Just drove by the Atlanta morgue. Six cars in the parking lot with spaces enough for maybe fifty cars. They are open for business!! As it were.
The city you stole the 1996 Olympics from (Melbourne) had a full car park when i went past the other week – similar size parking lot to Atlanta (perhaps only a tad less). I havent been in for a couple of years at least but from the outside it looks like Melbourne is doing ok (not great just ok – simmering away).
As for Perth Org – unfortunately for them they are now in lock down therefore they won’t be getting any public in for at least 5 days. At present this is a short term lock down but if more cases are found then lock down will continue. They must have a fair bit of money if they are distributing 200,00 flyers. That alone would cost 20k ? and is a huge amount to distribute considering the city they line in. At a guess that would probably equate to 10% of the city receiving a a flyer !!! or more than 10% of households! These guys mean business !
I suggest you stop drinking the KoolAid. Perth may have printed 200,000 fliers. THey simply gave them to people and told them to put them in mailboxes. Most people reporterd they did some distribution. Most of them are sitting in boxes in people’s houses, or they went right into the dumpster. They are now begging for money so they can DO “paid distribution.” It’s cost them nothing so far.
I drove past the Int Base in Hemet yesterday. They have some good looking new buildings there. I did not see a soul from Hwy 79.
LRH said ” The Public knows us by our MEST.
I know that they ARE MEST.
That is all they care about. Nothing spiritual.
Mulah, Mulah, Mulah.
The Donald is more theta than they are and as likely to get them up the “Bridge”, assuming there even IS one these days.
One of the biggest wins in Scn was the look on Joan Heller’s face when she saw me at AOLA 2 years after she thought I had died of AIDS. And she was the OTVIII Review Auditor (and a very good one) when she audited me. Her TRs were undoubtedly passed by RTC. Her meter found out that I was dying before anyone in the Church suspected it.
And a lot of you think that the meter doesn’t even work. You wish it did not work sometimes. In the hands of a fool nothing can work.
Their stats are similar to the mission I worked at in 1968, with 5 part-time staff.
Sad as it may seem, to the folks inside the bubble, 45 books are a big deal. Even though they know that a lot more needs to be done. If you went to any of their events, you would see the regular 15 or so attendees. Always the same schtick, at every org on the planet, (My old scientology showing using the word planet). It’s enough to make the conned feel hope.
Yesterday I happened to be in the company of about five active scamatologists. They were all talking the talk, gabbing on about their plans for their next services. It is really sad to hear them talk. Amazing that the web of deceit that was designed to keep them in is as effective as it is.
It had me suckered for years.
There was always some glimmer of hope that one day it would really catch on. It hasn’t. It won’t. But it will certainly drain money out of everyone that is in now.
ANYTHING above ZERO is a big thing to them, and the effort to stir the needle up from 0 is heartbreaking, as is the dirth of results from the “tech” which never HAS delivered the promised results.
You’re right, 45 books is a big deal to them. When I was in I would sell books. Or try to. It was depressing. If I sold even one it would assuage my guilt over not producing. That said, I was completely not impressed with myself. At one point I was in a talk with a staff member of my little org. She was the PES. I shared with her about how I thought selling 1 book was nothing. She lit up, blazing at me, apparently very surprised and in total disagreement. “Selling one book is a BIG deal!”, she exclaimed, adding, as she saw my sceptical look, “A VERY big deal!”. She seemed amazed that I had shared that. As if I had said that I’d won an Oscar or something and it was no big deal. She strongly disagreed, in a very animated way. Frankly, I still wasn’t convinced but her reaction had been so spontaneous that I entertained the possibility that she was right. I certainly believed that SHE believed that selling ONE book in 4 hours was a “big deal”. The bar was pretty low then; I can only imagine how low it is now. Or maybe there isn’t even a low standard anymore. Or any standard.
I bet most of the ’45 books sold’ were fake sales. I doubt that 45 people were goofy enough or drunk enough to buy any $cieno books. If the numbers come from $cientology, they are probably lies.
Zee Moo opined:
“If the numbers come from $cientology, they are probably lies.”
Truer words can’t be spoken, it seems, as they ARE consumed with reporting ever-rising numbers, and have flexible-enough ‘ethics’ to justify making the numbers up out of whole cloth. As long as their “stats” are up, they can’t be investigated, theoretically, so aren’t going to be caught in their lying — unless someone actually LOOKS and sees that the results of those “stats” aren’t there.
Which is a long-about way of leading into the observation that very few of those currently calling themselves scientologists take any effort to correlate the reports by Dwarfenführer® with what they SEE in any orgs that they happen to pass by.
In that direction all observations lead to disillusion and depression; eventually to FREEDOM from that so-seductive trap.
Scientology is so far out of tune with the problems of the world that it made me laugh this morning. They think average income is at the level of the 1970’s. Well this morning I finally cracked in East Tampa. More hungry homeless begging in the streets than ever before. After you help the most needy, the realization comes that the job is futile. Many could work but resist. Some turn it into a profession. Dozens of BMW’s and Mercedes driving by with the rich inside. Tents pitched in the woods along route 41. Scientology sits with Billions in cash begging for more.
All these years have been enough to prove that the cult is incapable of solving its own problems “with scientology”. It is all a farce that keeps being brought up as if it was new stuff or was the right thing regardless of everything.
Lack of new staff, key positions uncovered, no money, priorities from management that cut the normal activities of the orgs, always the usual emergencies, stat to pump up or ‘you’ll be in deep shit! ‘ , etc. Nothing has never changed in decades.
The way ideal orgs are created is totally against the nature of how things would have to happen for anything to work. Anyone outside the cult would notice it. But who is inside strangely doesn’t.
Miscavige – to say it in scientologese – is a real ‘squirrel’ : golden age of tech (I, II etc), ideal orgs, stat push, one man show management, cross ordering the orgs with heavy fundraising campaign, etc etc.
People leaving in droves and a graveyard around the world of empty buildings are the most clear evidences of it.
“Miscavige – to say it in scientologese – is a real ‘squirrel’”
Cut him some slack. He’s doing the best he can with a dying brand. His best may be useless but he can only work with what he’s been given.
If he really wanted to squirrel, he could. And he probably should if he wants to keep scientology working…even just a little. Retail stores are closing down. There are numerous apps for self help and meditation. Therapy via Zoom. What does the CoS offer in an age of ecommerce, mass unemployment, economic gloom and enforced isolation? Enough books and CDs to fill a garage and some exorbitantly-priced past life counselling that’s only available in a few select cities.
No wonder he’s frustrated. Would hardcore scientologists embrace a complete overhaul? Probably not. The ghost of Hubbard still looms, unfortunately. Maybe that’s why he’s so resentful. The dead horse has been flogged so much and for so long, all that’s now left is a fine, meaty paste. And it stinks.
MWestern thank you. I understand your point but I see it a bit differently.
I said squirrel because ideal orgs evolution aren’t hubbard directives. Wild fundraising neither.
Also since the GAT came out in 1996 stat went furthermore down (I was on management lines at that time).
He has disbanded the entire int management strata almost 20 years ago. That structure was made expressly to create an internal balancing. Not counting his well known attitude to harass people including all those declared here and there.
Last but not least SO staff getting less than 50 $ while he lives like a sultan.
Maybe he was to busy doing these things to see the world changing. A big ego makes disasters.
Yeah, I understand. I was being a wee bit facetious, tbh. I just don’t think you can hold DM entirely responsible for scientology’s demise. Abuses and “unusual solutions” were happening long before he appeared on the scene. And besides, times have changed. There is no demand for Ron’s expensive
delusion.sci-fi therapy-induced placebo effects. Even if DM was ousted, the CoS would have to adapt and evolve if it wants to stand even the slightest chance. The FZ have had 40 years of liberation to prove its efficacy and have bugger all to show for it. Just a small band of silver-haired eccentrics, most of whom will die off within the next couple of decades. What then?Thank you slot MW.
I agree with what you say especially at the end. Personally I have no hatred or grudge towards DM or scn in general. But having been staff for 15 years it pisses me off that many staff especially in SO are still deluded and exploited with lies (which at this point even DM knows they are) and forced to live a life that will not give (and never did) that achievement for which they are there.
I think that if over the years the cult had done real social and charitable activities they would have earned it not only in PR but also as human conscience. But isn’t per policy to do that.
Do well.
It’s interesting they make such a deal about Elvis’s birthday. Although his ex-wife and daughter are/were members, Elvis himself was never pulled in. Elvis was no genius but he was smart enough to steer clear of Scientology!
Elvis said of Scientology that “those people just want my money.”