These guys are SO proud of what they are accomplishing they have to put it out for all the world to see.
Of course, it helps to attract my attention when I see my brother and sister-in-law in the thick of it.
Before looking at what they have achieved, let’s put things in perspective.
This is the SINGLE Advanced Org and SH for “ANZO” — which in scientology speak is the “continental area” that includes Australia, New Zealand and “Oceania” — which “obviously” incorporates South East Asia and Japan and China. But it is interesting to note that despite a single org in Tokyo and more recently one in Taiwan, there has never been a thought of creating “Asia” as a continental management area.
Some rough numbers of how many people on planet earth this “Advanced Org” serves (numbers rounded to nearest 5 million):
Australia 25
New Zealand 5
Indonesia 270
Malaysia 30
Philippines 105
Vietnam 95
Thailand 70
China 1.4 billion
Taiwan 25
Japan 130
This totals 2.15 billion people. And it doesn’t count a lot of smaller countries.
This single AO is supposed to get more than 2 billion through their OT levels. Between China, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam and the Philippines that is 2 billion people without a single org.
And here are their accomplishments:
These numbers are over 12 months.
100 Academy level completions — which is everything from Student Hat to Grad V auditor. 2 per WEEK!
231 Solo OT level completions — each person who makes it to OT III counts one for each of the following: OT 1 theory course, OT 1, OT II Theory course, OT II, OT III theory course, OT III. That is 6 “Solo OT level completions” for every person who makes it through OT III. So, let’s be generous and call this 100 people in a year or 2 per week.
225 New OT IV & (assume this is “IV and V”) — so this is 2 for each person. Let’s say 2 people per week over the year.
70 onto Solo NOTs. No wonder Flag is shriveling on the vine. 70 in a YEAR from almost one third earth’s population (not sure really where India goes — UK seems to lay claim to them as part of their “cont” though apart from the colonial “ownership” of the subcontinent and the the fact they play cricket, nobody seems to know why, but as there has never been an org anywhere in India or Pakistan or Bangladesh or Sri Lanka despite the “massive demand for the tech” it has never really been clarified who “owns” that part of the world)…
THIS is what they are so excited about?
First, they have ”ideal orgs” in Tokyo, Taiwan, Sydney, Melbourne, Perth and Auckland. This means between them they are making 2 people a week ready to move onto their OT levels. Wow. Now that’s what you call “ideal.”
But put in real context — out of 2+ billion people they are getting 2 people a week through OT 5 and 2 people a week through a course in the Academy and less than 2 a week onto Solo NOTs?
And they actually think they are “Clearing the Planet”?
If they did this for 1,000,000 years they wouldn’t even get to 10% of the population that currently exists.
Everyone was “inspired” and they are “going to do more”. Well look out world…
If these people ever actually opened their eyes they would recognize how dismally pathetic this is and stop congratulating themselves on how they are “changing the world.”
AOSHANZO is Flushing It! (Really…)
What advice would you give for someone being followed, surveilled, hacked by this organisation!?
Present the evidence of such activities and I will tell you what to do. Also, what country/state you live in.
What would your advice be for an ex member who is being followed hacked surveilled by members of this organisation? Would rather not include email address because emails monitored etc.
Report it to law enforcement. Document everything that happens.
Thanks! For my benefit, if you’re able, what’s the point of it. What’s the purpose and or intended EP?
Oh, DARN, the ‘edit’ option has disappeared for me, so I couldn’t correct those typos.
Yes. Me too. I’m so sad about that. I’m such a klutz. I really need that edit capability.
Same here Jere & Skyler ….it’s the Houdini EDITING FEATURE…comes & goes…..
Kinda like Ideal Orgs….there today gone tomorrow…!
lol!
AOSH ANZO…. If there were any ACTUAL demand, they could be smoking’! Then again, if the stuff WORKED, even a little of what is promised, there would be demand, including me. Sadly, that wasn’t to be while Tubby was around, and it seems MustSavage can’t break out of his whiskey-fueled temper tantrums long enough to actually LOOK at what’s been happening, Which presumes he WANTED scientology to grow instead of its current implosion. Well, as long as he’s getting what he claims is his, he’s a happy clam. Grow, Die, it’s the same to him.
but where’s Fool Proof ? certainly he’s got some snappy comeback for all these stats and analysis.
Oldbikerdude threw out:
“but where’s Fool Proof ? certainly he’s got some snappy comeback for all these stats and analysis.”
You’re right. We could use a lightening of the mood around here with some of he FOOL-ness.
Oldbikerdude threw out:
“but where’s Fool Proof ? certainly he’s got some snappy comeback for all these stats and analysis.”
You’re right. We could use a lightening of the mood around here with some of his patentable FOOL-ness.
Desperate for some repartee eh? Without me here it is “same old same old” down-tone criticizing and nattering with just variations of the same old themes eh? Thing is I have often wondered if OSA approve of my missives (not that I care) but then if they are clever they will realize that even the Aftermath A-E program will bring people into the Orgs as some people watching it will suddenly see that there is a group that has resolved the problems of the human mind and spirit (and still somewhat functions despite the squirreling) and will, as well, drive away any and all time wasters (A-Jers) like you lot. I must telepathically ask Ed Parkin (whom I knew when I was in England for a while) what he thinks (and then ignore him anyway – haha!)
And no I am not a fan of these reg techniques – if the tech is good and the processing a bit more affordable then such activity is actually not needed – people will fall over themselves to get auditing and training and you lot wouldn’t exist. But in the meanwhile, any thing is better than no thing, which is in the Axioms somewhere. And after all, you are all secretly envious of people who make case gain eh?
This:
“if the tech is good and the processing a bit more affordable then […] people will fall over themselves to get auditing and training”
raises an honest question for me.
To the best of your knowledge, is there someone you would advise people to go see and buy Scientology services from? Who would that be? Where can we (I) reach them?
So, in short: who can we (I) turn to for good and affordable Scientology services?
Maybe you can give a few links?
Go to the Milestone 2 website.
Tx. Have to admit that for quite some time I thought they went out of business because of lack of people wanting services.
I thought Milestone 2 was yet another derelict indie site. Though I see now that after it nearly died out in 2017-18, someone is back to maintaining it on at least a monthly basis.
Their “Associates” can’t actually be found off their main page – oops! – almost as if they’re trying to hide the embarrassing truth of their size from all but the cognoscenti, though I knew I’d seen a listing before, and went hunting through the site for it. So they’re composed of 9 auditors in the US and Canada, and 2 more in the whole rest of the world. That’s the equivalent of about one mission – not even a “church” org – in the heyday of Scientology. Most of of the ones I could readily find pictures of look to be from the generation of old-timers that is quickly dying out, while one appears positively ancient, and Lana seems to be the spring chicken of the bunch at about 50.
It may be the relatively largest and most active of the indie sites, but it doesn’t exactly make it look like people are falling all over themselves to get auditing and training….
There are a few places that advertise. None do any amount of business worth noting. Millstone 2 shutdown their main web site and only exist as a free wordpress blog now. There is a place in Georgia that advertises the full list of Hubtard services. They have no amount of customers to talk about.
Ah, yes, Milestone 2 originally aspired to be “an active community that anyone can be a part of”:
“Milestone Two is engaged in:
1. Setting up new delivery groups
2. Getting new auditors trained and interned
3. Moving people up The Bridge,
4. Opening up the Div 6 lines for new public.
5. Dealing with society’s ills, such as literacy, criminality and drugs
6. Getting basic LRH technology being used in society to improve conditions and better life for all.”
https://web.archive.org/web/20170810125634/http://milestonetwo.org/
Now they’re just a handful of far-flung, grizzled old timers still selling their services. So much fail and unworkability.
Also, the grandiosely-named Advanced Organization of the Great Plains that has also been active in promoting itself recently, and is apparently in an indie feud with Milestone 2 and thus not affiliated with them – I remember something about AOGP’s ED being declared suppressive by another indie – is actually located in Kansas City.
FP, if “people will fall over themselves to get auditing and training” then how do you explain the failure of independent Scientology? How IS that actually working out for you, theory and snark aside?
7 decades of history show that it’s possible for indie orgs to sputter along by picking up a few true believer castoffs from the CofS – but never more than that. I’m sure you have some old diehards who believe they’re making “case gain,” but that’s not actually impressive enough to really attract new “raw meat” and grow, or even fool anyone like Hubbard could when he was in the prime of selling “blue sky” and orgs were full of gullible “seekers,” is it?
Having met and interacted with thousands of members of Scn I have yet to see one who has had case gain. One for one they are disconnected from humanity and operate as dispassionate robots to a greater or lesser degree. Hubbard’s goal was to “restore self-determinism to the PC”. I’ve yet to see that.
No no – what you didn’t realize was that they saw you approaching and reacted appropriately for Clears when they see an asshole approaching!
According to the scion that Im currently tilting with, the answer to how they plan on clearing a planet of 7.7 billion people when there are only 20,000 scientology is: (direct quote) “There are only a few ‘clears’. And it will probably be another 50 years before anything in the way of ‘clearing the planet’ will be possible.” This seems to be a backing away from the rhetoric that was/is present inmost of the promotional materials coming from flag.
When asked what the cult was going to do with the SP’s left over after the ‘clearing’ commenced, this is what I got (again- direct quote): “once a significant portion of the Earth is clear, the Church would experience exponential growth and likely reduce the SP population through attrition in a few months, being most would likely be rehabilitated. The world government Scientology would set up at that time would provide therapy for those willing to give up their evil. I imagine law enforcement would, long before this, discover the crimes of SP’s anyway.”
To me, this is blatantly NOT a religion. They freely admit that they plan to take over and set up their own government….I think there may be something that can be used here to make the authorities take notice,but I needed some outside opinions on if Im over thinking this answer.
Input anyone?
Kat
jKat gave us:
“To me, this is blatantly NOT a religion. They freely admit that they plan to take over and set up their own government….I think there may be something that can be used here to make the authorities take notice,but I needed some outside opinions on if Im over thinking this answer.”
You probably ARE over-thinking it, possibly by expecting anything from scientology or the happy-as-clams remaining followers to be sensible to anyone NOT in the same alternate-reality “bubble.
This is the funniest shit I’ve read in a long time, Ms. LaRue!
Talk about Magical Thinking!
This “Scion” you’re going back and forth with – whoa! The woo is strong in this one!
i’m going to do some magical thinking now.
Here you go, Kat:
“I’ll be taking a trip to Hollywood soon. I’ll spend a week there. Of course, I’ll visit Schwab’s Drug Store. You know, where Lana Turner was discovered? All kinds of celebrities hang out there, I heard. Anyway, inside Schwab’s I’ll most likely bump into Clint Eastwood. He’ll be so taken with me that he’ll have to ask me out. After our 3rd or 4th date, as I’m packing my bags to return to my mundane life back home, Clint will suddenly appear at my hotel door. Frantic at the thought of losing me, unable to endure the concept of his life without me, he’ll propose. I’ll object at the suddenness of it all and I’ll point out that he and I hardly know one another but he’ll masterfully over-rule all my objections and beg me to accept the 10 carat diamond he just ordered from Harry Winston’s for me. We’ll get our blood tests and he’ll whisk me off to Carmel By The Sea where a good friend of his is the pastor of an adorable little church set in a steep cliff overlooking the Pacific. The ceremony will be simple and beautiful. Afterwards we’ll have champagne on the private beach below – the same gorgeous beach on which he and Donna Mills walked hand in hand in the film “Play Misty For Me.” All Clint’s children, grandchildren, friends, ex-wives and ex-girlfriends will be there to see us tie the knot and to toast us afterwards with Crystal Champagne. They’ll all love me to and be so happy that even though it took him 85 years, Clint finally found The One.”
End of magical thinking for tonite.
Thanks for the laugh, Kat.
I wish I could be introduced to this cultee acquaintence of yours.
I could use more inspiration, and more laughs.
Wasn’t Stormy Daniels discovered at Schawb’s? I have a second cousin who is a porn star. Maybe she knows Stormy. I’ll check it out.
Aqua,
I shall miss you when you are whisked away to Carmel-by-he-sea!! Make sure that you meet some distinguished gentleman so that you can set me up, and then we can both live happily until we are cryogenically preserved to be re-animated in the distant future on another planet where all is peaceful and no scientologists exist! (sigh)
Got it on all, Kat. No worries. The planet is being cleared. Clint will take care of the rest.
Aqua, much as I hate to point this out, but Mr. Eastwood is a staunch supporter of a certain Donald Trump, and I do not believe that you fall anywhere near that camp. I know and understand, as I always had quite a crush on Clint myself and we also heartbroken upon leaving the truth of his political bent. I still see him as Rowdy Gaines on Wagon Train- which I watched on our black and white t.v. on one the 3 network channels.
So it seems that after reading many comments on here that a goodly portion of you are: social justice warriors (i.e. commies); electro shock advocates, pro-vaccers and pro-psych drugs (shares in big pharma?); Democrats. Trendy eh?And on top of of all that suppressive as well! Hahaha! Clint will sort you all out! Ah! But Clint had some Dianetics back in the day!
Komodo, Clint is good company. According to the liberal site The Hill; a record 62 percent of American’s approve of his approach to employment and 59 percent approve of his handling of the economy while 51 percent said the economy is heading in the right direction and Seventy-one percent of voters said the economy is very strong or somewhat strong.
I recommend Farsec for your planet! You can electro shock all citizens to your heart’s content!
Your absolutely right. They plan on policing the world threw their ethics book. The same way they do now with staff.
As for sp’s go, they figure that being would simply get “handled” in one of it’s future lives.
Hello Kat,
I feel this kind of attraction towards you. I feel like maybe we have met somewhere before.
Like maybe up in the SKY somewhere? Oh well.
Since you asked for input, I would like to suggest that when dealing with any of those patsies, maybe you should offer them a free personality tests. They seem to snap that right up.
Also, I would suggest you tell them about The Aftermath Foundation. You never can tell when you plant a tiny seed, just how big of an Oak Tree may rise up from that seed.
Do you do much gardening Kat?
MorleyKadingerlingdong,
LOL!! Yes, you do seem strangely familiar to me (I love gardening but haven’t planted any corn so dont ask!).
I always attempt to ‘rehabilitate’ the inmates, although that usually doesnt work out well! Since he/she has now blocked me, I am going to assume the opportunity for the free personality teat is forever lost…oh well.
Kat
Another futile attempt to appear relevant an zo it goes.
“Oceania” – How fitting…the prescient Mr. Orwell described Co$ so well long before its spawning:
The PARTY, led by BIG BROTHER, with THOUGHT POLICE ever vigilant for THOUGHTCRIME against the doctrine of INGSOC as published in THE BOOK, sending apostates to ROOM 101, all the while trumpeting NEWSPEAK on org TELESCREENS, their MINISTRY OF TRUTH dispatching “inconvenient” information to the MEMORY HOLE ensuring the leader’s fawning glorification.
However, we PROLES of THE BROTHERHOOD openly defy DOUBLETHINK, as we are declared UNPERSONS by family members still in, as we strive to free their children from the PARTY YOUTH LEAGUE, as THE CLOCK STRIKES THIRTEEN, no staged sessions of TWO MINUTES HATE will deter us, we forge our own MINISTRY OF LOVE as Heroes of the Heart, gathering online UNDER THE SPREADING CHESTNUT TREE to declare that our WAR IS PEACE, strike down the falsity that FREEDOM IS SLAVERY and IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH.
We stand resolute in AIRSTRIP ONE and beyond, Revolutionaries of Truth, marching ever onward!
I’m amazed at what you just did with the English language…
Brilliant! The 1984 analogy is so amazing. Loved that book because it so apropo to CofS. God, I just wish people would wake up.
According to hubbard people ARE asleep and $cientology wakes you up!
I wonder if Hubbard got some of his inspiration from Orwell. He always stole ideas from others, so it is possible. it was published in 1949, so it would have reached Hubbard and probably sparked his interest.
Kat
I recently listened to 1984 on audio book and was struck continually at the parallels to scamology. I had read it in high school but scamworld was not on my radar, though I grew up apx. south of L.A. and remember seeing Big Blue off the 405.
I think all the regulars on this blog should read/listen to this very important novel again or for the first time. It represents to a T what Scientology would do to society if given the opportunity. A. VERY frightening prospect.
Well, I heard it from Wally the Wombat that Scioland promo makes an excellent floor covering and the glossy stuff is way better, cause it’s more waterproof.
Well??? it’s a stat… isn’t it? He was mumbling something about, ‘more communication not less’ as he waddled down his burrow.
I yawnalot,
HUBBARD CAME BACK AS A WOMBAT??????
its actually kind of fitting…
Kat
Kat it’s not fitting, wombats are adorable unlike Blubbard 😫 Maybe a skunk would be more fitting? With those white sprouts of hair pointing in all directions?? Lol 😂
I am reminded of a wonderful line from the movie, “Ghostbusters”. It goes something like this:
“There is no Hubbard. There is only Zool! (aka “Zee Fool”).”
So, next time someone asks you if you’d like a free personality test, just ask them, “Who you gonna call?”
Lee,
I agree- I didnt mean to insult wombats!
Kat
Lol no worries Kat. We have a pure black cat that is as solid as a wombat (which we call her sometimes) 😉
Skyler um $camologist busters??? Lol
Wonder if they squirt out green ooze if they get nicked? Lol
The ANZO is far eastern headquarters because they need the business. Japan would be no good for Asia AO because of the animosity that resides after WW2. The same for Taiwan and China (not that any main land Chinese would go there). Still, ANZO needs the meat in the shop to keep the lights on.
Two thousand one hundred and fifty one ‘Releases’? I know of ‘massage parlors’ that do twice that each week. Not that I go there., I just know about them.
They could put ideal orgs in every city on the planet with a population of 100K or more, plus advanced orgs in every city with a population of 250K or more, and they still would never come close to clearing the planet, even if they could run those orgs to max capacity.
SSoA proffered:
“They could put ideal orgs in every city on the planet with a population of 100K or more, plus advanced orgs in every city with a population of 250K or more, and they still would never come close to clearing the planet, even if they could run those orgs to max capacity.”
I do believe that ALL orgs are running at max capacity; All the traffic that they can possibly drum up, now that they’ve met their “Waterloo”, Anonymous and the Interwebz.
thanks, Mike; the stats are pathetic. But that said, even ONE new convert, completion, course taken, “and so on and so forth” is one too many.
I’m sorry you have to see your own brother and sister in law strutting around like peacocks in the clampire.
I’ve always had a yen to see how many people I could put the squeeze on in Japan.
Maybe we could get them to go fund us for a new TV program advising people to beware of crazy cults?
Someone really ought to warn them after all. Don’t you think?
“If these people ever actually opened their eyes they would recognize how dismally pathetic this is and stop congratulating themselves on how they are “changing the world.” ”
I would guess that it’s just desperation to believe that you haven’t wasted years of your life. The decision to open your eyes to what you have to deep down fear is the truth could keep a person’s eyes shut tight. So very very sad.
“…desperation to believe that you haven’t wasted years of your life.”
That’s it.
Still, they’d be better off not holding on and holding on and instead facing the fact that they have, indeed, wasted (however many) years of their lives.
Doing so would release them from the grip of the past and open the door to their NOT wasting whatever years they have left.
But, no, they prefer their delusions – their delusions, which, like pain pills, make the pain recede – for a while. And then you need more of them…
Aqua,
I look at them (the rabid believers) the same way that I look at the FLDS- the leader is in jail for child sexual assault, is serving life plus 20, and they STILL follow his teachings, and listen to what he says through the telephone at the jail. This kind of blind devotion is what made Jonestown and Heavens Gate possible and is very scary. They CANNOT face reality. Its sad, and only something that is so jarring they cannot reason it away will break the hold scientology has on them.
Kat
Fear as well. If they don’t chime in with the party line, I believe they are frightened some reg may knock at their door with an announcement they need to show their support by digging deep – real deep – deeper than they ever dipped before – dip into their credit cards – dip into bankruptcy.
They all have to face the fact their children will never be able to get a higher level education because they have given all their college funds to the greater glory of who knows what.
I wonder just how content people can be when they have to admit to themselves and their spouses they threw away their children’s main chance at a good life and they condemned so many family members to living a life of poverty and misery.
If poverty is such a great thing, then why is the monster not signed up to poverty? He seems to enjoy his life with triple-blended Scotch whiskey. Only the finest Scotch whiskey is good enough for him. I wonder how much comfort his dupes can take from that when their kids ask them how much money is there in their college funds.
There is such a deep divide regarding those who have jobs outside the cult, who have a home and something to build on, and the sea org slaves, who would have to start from ground zero. But the fear of telling DM to stuff it up his jumper would be real to both.
I agree Aquamarine that salvaging what time is left would be so well worth it. But then again, easy for me to say. It would take gathering all the strength you have left to do that.
Skyler, I have to hope that at some point in time the triple-blended Scotch whiskey monster will end up at the bottom of the heap sometime soon.
Hey Peggy.
At the bottom of the heap? I find it so hard to wait. Every day I come here and hope, hope, hope … today will be the day. Unfortunately, there is really nothing more I can do but come and make some dumb jokes and hope upon hope. I just want to make it to that Glorious Day … Glory Day!
Maybe I can start some kind of contest or competition where people either try to guess the date it collapses … kind of like a lottery?
Or maybe, we can have a contest trying to predict just how it will all collapse? Who will be the “Little Dutch Boy” who will pull that last brick that will make the whole thing all fall down? Of course, the Little Dutch Boy never pulled a brick. As I recall he stuck his thumb up his bum … or was it in some Dyke? Uh Oh! That would not be Politically Correct today. I apologize to all members of the LGBT etc. community. Sorry.
True, Peggy. Don’t forget though, that a number of these Sea Org “slaves” have parents who are VERY comfortable financially, who COULD leave the SO and be welcomed back into a soft nest.
No matter how old they are, they wouldn’t be out on the street.
Their parents would take them in and pay all their expenses and send them to school and otherwise support them in every way.
I know 8 Sea Org “kids” ranging in age from 25 to 43, whose parents are financially secure Scientologists with businesses. None of them ever had a real job or a real life of their own. They went right from Scientology schools into the SO, or from school to working on staff and then the SO, piecing out here and there by helping intermittently in the family business and living at home, or renting a place paid for by Mom & Dad. Money isn’t the reason they stay in the Sea Org.
Skyler,
Didn’t you know- they don’t need no stinkin’ college! they have tech that works better!! (I pointed out to the crazy scion that there has never been a job that requires ’30 hours of scientology auditing’ , but most jobs require some sort of college degree). he/she was unimpressed with that.
Kat
He/she just probably never had enough education to understand what you were talking about.
The key is getting their CF in order. Once that happens, they’ll be ready to take on India and convert the Taj Mahal into an Ideal Org.
“The key is getting CF in order. Once that happens…
It’s going to take years & years & years & years & years to make it happen! So, sit back and watch the fun!
The so-called ‘Bridge to Total Freedom’ takes one an eternity, to get to a place that only existed in Hubbard’s imagination. Pie in the sky is much better as I recently experienced on a transcontinental flight to Paris.
Damn, CP! I could have gone all day without hearing the word pie. Now I’ve got to have it(. NOW!
Make it à la mode to enjoy the full benefits. 😅
I’m way ahead of you, CP!
OSD,
There were several orgs that had ‘pie auctions’….maybe you could pop in and grab one for the bargain basement price of 100,000.00
Kat
If the kids of their biggest dupes ever ask them what happened to their college funds, they can always quote the famous refrain,
“Four and twenty fat birds all baked in a pie. Slimey reg’s cooked them all while they cooked your goose. No more roast goose for your Christmas dinner.”
No more Christmas dinner.
No more Christmas.
No more happy holidays.
No more happiness.
All we have left is …….
“Double, double toil and trouble, fire burn and cauldron bubble.”
You know who said that?
A side of fries with that?
Sorry…I already ate all the fries. Maybe next time.
OSD gave us:
““The key is getting CF in order. Once that happens…
It’s going to take years & years & years & years & years to make it happen! So, sit back and watch the fun!”
I’ve already been doling that for awhile, since I KNOW how to bring a CF up to PT, even did it about 40 years ago. Looking at their self-promotion at a couple of morgs’ CF projects, I can tell they’re doing OTHER things than filing. They won’t complete the job until they stop piddling around and DO the F-ing JOB. File, don’t read (or whatever you’re doing.
Danged auto-correct! Doling should have been ‘doing’.
Damn right!
Lets keep it simple and use the favorite WHY Miscavige uses every time things are found to be a disaster: “They are not doing their job.”
Maybe we could figure out the problem if we gave them all free personality tests?
Problem is you have to have a personality before you can test it. Scioland participants are making great strides in getting around that by believing Hubbard said you don’t need one.
He also mentioned not needing a brain except for head padding.
And the ultimate bs – you don’t need a body either.