Monumental, earth-shaking good news was announced at SH Graduation last Friday night.
AOSHUK and SH Fdn have been combined into one org! Yaaay.
See the feeble attempt to spin this below.
Dear Xxxxx,
You are invited to a historical Graduation! You may have heard about some changes at Saint Hill…
Come and hear a major announcemnet signifying an important move towards Saint Hill going ideal! Plus, showing of the Continental Liason Office in Europe – first released!
Starts 8:30pm. Big buffet and live entertainment afterwards.
PLEASE REPLY TO CONFIRM!
ML, Saint Hill Events Team
Following in the grand tradition of “combining” LA Day and Fdn, London and CC London, Dallas and CC Dallas, Portland and CC Portland, LV and CCLV, Copenhagen and Denmark Orgs — the latest big expansion achievement was putting SHF out of its misery. Always an afterthought, SHF had been on life support for decades. They finally pulled the plug.
The clubbed seals (a small “gaggle of followers” are all that remain in the UK) swallowed the “Good News!!!!” without a second thought.
I wonder if they have ever read LRH ED 7 INT 16 March 1969 “CLOSING OR COMBINING ORGS”:
CLOSING OR COMBINING ORGS WITH THEIR FOUNDATIONS IS UNLAWFUL AND IS AN ACT OF HIGH TREASON.
Or HCO POLICY LETTER OF 7 April 1969 ORG REDUCTION OR ERADICATION:
It is an act of Treason to reduce, combine or close an org.
Of course, it doesn’t matter if they had read them, because it is a certainty that at least the SO executives in UK have done so many times. Because the operating policy of scientology today is “command intention” which in simple english translates into “whatever David Miscavige says.”
But if this is another org shut down in the UK, perhaps the big picture looks a little better. After all, they KEEP promoting the fact that they have “47X expansion” so it has to show up somewhere.
As the BIG, OVERRIDING effort in scientology is creating ideal orgs, and it has been the priority activity since 2003, let’s survey the planetary landscape from a 10,000 foot vantage, or put another way, and notwithstanding the former, let’s scan the global time continuum with thetan perceptics to isolate the turning point of this and every other universe.
Sorry, got caught in a brief Shermanspeak epidemic that passed through.
Scientology Global “Expansion”
For the purpose of this exercise, let’s ignore the many lies about 10 million scientologists and 11,000 orgs, missions and groups and focus on something that can be PROVEN.
Right from their OWN website at scientology.org.
One of the claims Miscavige has made about the ideal org program is that they in turn will generate MORE groups, missions and orgs.
Let’s just stay focused on ORGS.
After more than 10 years with pedal to the metal on this brilliant strategy, one would assume that with massive, straight up and vertical expansion and 47X there would be MORE orgs. Instead there are LESS.
The last totally NEW org to open was Taiwan, and the one before that was Athens. Nothing else in this century that I can recall.
But let’s scan through a few particulars:
United States: The following States have NO org at all:
Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Delaware, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Jersey, N. Carolina, N. Dakota, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, S. Carolina, S. Dakota, Vermont, Virginia, W Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming.
That is more than HALF the states in the Union. And there has not been a new org in the United States since sometime in the 1980’s. (Of course, some of these states have a single, small and failing org, including Pennsylvania, Michigan, Utah, New Mexico, Georgia, Kansas, Ohio and Hawaii).
Canada: No new orgs since time immemorial. At some point there were to separate orgs in London and Kitchener Ontario. Now there is one in Cambridge.
Latin and South America: No orgs in central America outside Mexico. Two orgs in Venezuela, one in Colombia and one in Argentina. Not a single org in the biggest country in South America, Brazil. Nothing in Chile, Ecuador, Peru, Paraguay, Uruguay or any other country. This despite “LRH tech” being in “full government use” in Venezuela according to the IAS Freedom Medal Winners and similar stories of how LRH tech has saved Colombia and is widely used by the government and in the military.
Caribbean: Nothing, despite the millions of miles of “safe travels” of the most OT environment on earth that deliver seminars on how to make postulates stick. Apparently nobody is postulating scientology expansion anywhere in the Caribbean, not even in Haiti where the “largest relief force on earth” swung into massive operation.
Africa: Outside of South Africa and Zimbabwe, there is NOTHING in the entire continent. Not in Nigeria, the largest, wealthiest and most populous country in Africa and english speaking at that. Not anywhere in West Africa. Nowhere that any of the numerous IAS videos about Dianetics, Volunteer Ministers, Way to Happiness and Applied Scholastics have repeatedly shown “taking over countries.” Remember “The Gambia”?
Middle East: Despite bringing peace to the Middle East (according to the IAS), there is still only one org between Greece and the Pacific Ocean, in Tel Aviv. Nothing in any arab speaking country anywhere in the world.
Europe: Same orgs there have always been, though a few have closed their doors over the years (Eskilstuna, St Etienne, Bremen and Dk/Copenhagen). Nothing new other than Athens since the 80’s. And some of these “orgs” are not really — Helsinki, Oslo, Lisbon, Vienna and Barcelona spring instantly to mind.
Russia and Eastern Europe: Same two orgs in Russia — Moscow and St Petersburg — “clearing” a country with a population half of the US. No org in Ukraine despite the IAS and it’s Freedom Medal Winners bringing the “orange revolution” and “creating democracy” there and “LRH tech being implemented throughout the government.” Nothing in Czech Republic, Poland, Belarussia, Kazakhstan (where “LRH tech swept the nation” and gained “official religious recognition”) or any other of the former Soviet bloc countries.
Asia: From Pakistan to Indonesia and all the way to Mainland China there is not a single org.
There is an org in Taiwan and ONE in Japan. Strange they are SO intent on getting another ideal org in LA when they already have 7 and another in Silicon Valley when they already have 4, but the total population of BOTH areas is less than Tokyo.
China: Remember the hype about “Dianetics is taking China by storm” and how “the government of China has welcomed Dianetics”? That was more than 20 years ago now. There is still not even a mission. 1.4 billion people – nearly 5 times as many as in the US. And NOTHING.
India: Oh, the hype about India. David Pomerantz or someone over there “opening the gates” and the huge demand for dianetics and scientology “from the 1.2 billion people of India”. This was reinforced with the massive relief efforts after the Tsunami and Volunteer Ministers “safepointing government officials.” Nothing still. Half the missions that had opened are now closed. Of course the anomaly that the second highest number of hits on scientology.org come from India is attributable to paid click farms and has nothing to do with public interest in scientology which virtually doesnt exist in India.
Indonesia: IAS Freedom Medal winners took the country by storm. Drug Rehab. Prison rehab. VM activities. Dianetics seminars. Nothing.
Malaysia: Remember, this is a country brought into the 21st century by “LRH tech” through some “admin tech consultant.”
Thailand: With great fanfare, pomp and circumstance Rhon Walker opened a Mission there and VMs established massive safepoints after the tsunami. Thailand, being a predominantly buddhist country, was on the verge of being the first clear country. Nothing. (Same for all the rest of predominantly buddhist SE Asia — what one would consider extremely fertile territory, remember the videos of the buddhist monks in LA and at the Ft Harrison?)
Philippines: More IAS bs. David Pomerantz opened a mission there. VMs “flooded the area to fill the demand for LRH tech” blah blah blah.
And that is pretty much the global view.
Wake up sheeple. There IS NO MASSIVE INTERNATIONAL EXPANSION.
There is no 47X or 4.7X, though perhaps the decimal point was misplaced by an SP transcriptionist and it meant to say .47X — I would guess that scientology’s half-life is about 2 years. That is, it “expands” by .47xing itself (reducing by half) every two years.
You cannot hide from the facts in plain sight.
All you can do is pretend they don’t exist.
Meant to add that perhaps those long lost Orgs could be piled on DM, at least they would be put to good use. That way he can experience firsthand his 47X expansion.
It seems that PATHOLOGICAL LIAR(S),CON MAN (E), and (a) PERSON(S) that suffer from an inability to do basic math; has to be the education that is lacking, are not able to fool everyone! It is nice to see that people are not as easily fooled or led as they once were, to drink that awful tasting kool aide. Hopefully this new ability to see what truly is will spread and those who desire to follow the “true tech of LRH” will be able to do so from now until forever. Sadly there will always be some who are blind and deaf but dear DM ain’t gonna live forever, SOB:).
I Yawnalot, that was a very thoughtful and thought-provoking post you wrote.
To my way of thinking, LRH was utterly brilliant and contributed a huge amount of workable tech and wisdom. Nevertheless, the way I currently see it, after considering other teachings by now as well, is that he apparently omitted the most vital principle of all – in spite of the fact that he knew about it and wrote about it in the early books.
I’m referring to the “us-them” mentality that he in later years promoted and exemplified. I think that is what is at the root of what you wrote here:
“Management structure and individual motivations within it have a life span.”
Very well expressed. Because sooner or later the attitude of us vs. them – which has few exceptions among people in general – means a dwindling spiral and inevitable failure.
Just my 2 cents worth too, along with wanting to give you an ack. Your play on that line from the movie *A Few Good Men* was spot on. I had to watch that scene again – powerful!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FnO3igOkOk
I did not try to blame anybody .. Steve Jobs and some friends did sat down and invented a way to get people closer to computers .. he has not invented the computer .. he picked up a system from Xerox and build it up to an easier way to communicate with computers .. finally we are at a point where everybody can communicate like mad every second .. it will go better than it is .. Steve Jobs gave a part in this whole game .. he has not invented computers .. he made them more useable for everyone ..
LRH policy is used by myself .. so on, it is worth to know about. No question. But you have to pick up the right one at the right time .. it belongs to you to get that done .. there is no rule which policy you should use at certain moments .. you have simply to know which one fits current affairs ..
If you were now 2000 B.C. you would find that a lot of policy was already existend. Policy from LRH are basically an observation about what should be done or not done .. how you can succeed ..
Lets take the policies about conditions. Nothing powerful in it. It is an evrybody knows it procedere which is here claimed. I mean, if somebody falls down to liability .. he is a liability .. it says only that somebody did misdirect some parts of his life .. but LRH asked not for the why. I mean it goes really complicated here ..
Okay, if one falls down in liability, he is a problem for the group. He is a liability for progress. But how he can fall from there in doubt or enemy or treason .. LRH has never described it in word or text .. but he says in policy it would be there this way .. but how one goes from liability to confusion .. basically it is an easy step .. you must only be blamed for being a liability .. that is all .. you are on your way down not enemy or treason for a second .. what it means finally .. doubt is higher than liability .. LRH says himself: If in doubt communicate .. and that is right .. and it is above liability ..
At the end of my comment (maybe not released) .. LRH wrote some policies which are not right ..
Can you imagine being in a space where every why is against us. I no longer think this is true. I think you were abused.
Speak for yourself.
Tsk Tsk.. share Hiatus57 says”…
Don’t know what you are trying to tell us? Oh LOL! I figured it out. Hugs, Cece 🙂
What are you on about?
I though the Foolproof article on Policy challenge one of the best posts I have ever seen.
Mike do you not see you repeated what he was saying in a roundabout way.
But worded it as if you were trying to tell him something else that he did not get??
You may not like it but if LRH policy is applied it does work.
I found this to be true.
The fact that the Dwarf does not apply it is the proof that Foolproof was trying to tell you.
The missapplied Tech and Policy of the current scene is why its so bloody bad.
As to the “businees failures” you mention do these businesses have a 7 division Organisation or do they simply apply a bit of policy now and again?
To be fair I found LRH policy to be nothing more than very simple, very clever common sense observations of the actul real world in print and how to deal with it
If a business emplyed nothing more than the DEV-T policies they would see their income increase.
How could be classed as a failure?
You seem to read what you THINK I said. I objected to his assertion that he could walk into an org and boom it just by applying LRH policy.
That is a statement disproven by history. Foolproof apparently thinks he is smarter than the thousand who preceded him and he can do it right where all the other fools before him were incapable of doing so.
I truly wonder if Foolproof has been applying this his own life and presides over a multinational multi-billion dollar enterprise that he has built using LRH tech? What do you think?
THIS is what I objected to because it is simply an assertion not based on ANY evidence. But there has been plenty of time for that evidence to have manifested itself.
For that matter, have you built a flourishing enterprise that has been in power for years yourself? If not, why not? (That is a serious question)
Whatever you say .. Steve Jobs (Apple) could do it and his firm is today per shares the richestst firm on the world .. scientology is a small business .. there are more people on erath who use an iPhone or an iPad .. than scientologists ..
Steve Jobs has not used LRH admin .. he used his own mind .. what he did is not part of any LRH tech(admin .. one part – invent something for which people will reach .. but this is not real well included in LRH writings and teachings .. the most of all LRH teaching/writings is about what do you can make wrong with his tech .. and after reading(hearing all this possible wrong doing it seems that one can forget the right doing ..
Steve Jobs was a smart man .. LRH was also a smart man .. but he went down when he invent his justice and ethics ideas .. he said he took it from whole track research .. his admin ..
Note: Has anybody here heard of Fac One .. I mean, LRH would probably say that Steve Jobs had only fished out his ideas from there .. or that he sat on the top of his actuall GPM ..
No I am not saying I am smarter than the thousands that preceded me. I am saying one did not have to be that smart if one just applied LRH policy. He had worked it all out for you! The only smartness as such was realizing that and following it which I actually did and was quite successful in the Org I worked in. Until the “Electric Company” (Sea Org) moved in and pulled the proverbial plug and changed the wall sockets and supply voltage (see above for analogy).
As to me running a company like Steve Jobs and whether I am “successful” or not is neither here nor there and is getting to be somewhat personal and trying to prove your point by saying I haven’t got as much money as Steve Jobs, which would be obvious (who has?) but that was never my personal goal in life. It is, and I know you won’t like this, a “PTS to the middle class” statement. Mike, this sort of aspersion is getting a bit like in the current Church where “OT” is regarded as running a “successful” insurance or pharma business (both actual examples in the Church) that cons its customers. And if you are not one of these types of people then you have no say in things and should just shut up.The irony is that Miscavige accuses people of being PTS to the middle class but behaves exactly like them and “OT” in the Church now is regarded as which type of car you drive and how big is your house (actually my house is rather large, but I don’t drive a Bentley – ha!) and of course how much you have donated to Miscavige so he can live like a king. So of course anyone or most would “lose” that argument but that is not the argument here, at least it was not what I was arguing about. So if the major shareholders of large corporations are now being considered as “OT”, well, ok in one (minor) sense they are but it is mostly inherited through accident of birth or they have probably literally machine-gunned opposition down or whatever they did to rise out of “normal life”. I don’t consider such as “OT”. Now Steve Jobs may or not be a nice guy but he has still got engrams, gets ARCXen, gets keyed in, has problems, Service Facs etc. etc.
I don’t see what you find so annoying about my statement that I could boom an Org (by applying policy)? My point is anyone could. I am not self-aggrandizing at all, rather I am somewhat humbly stating that someone else (LRH) has done all the work and all I and others would need to do is follow it.
The argument we started above was actually your assertion that policy doesn’t work, not my personal use of policy and your belief that I was stating what a “great guy” I am etc.
This thread is probably cold by now but Is one of the more pertinent conversations on the subject of Scientology I’ve observed without massive bias and knee jerks taking over. I thought about it over night and realised from my perspective the “plug in the wall” analogy is unfinished. The wall is broken. In this history of mankind’s endeavours long surviving groups and purposes are by examination pretty short lived. Internal corruption, violence and or environmental/financial fluctuations take their toll. Plus the good old common “bored with that – now it’s my turn, Live is a fluid entity subject to wild variations and group defences.
Hubbard knew this I imagine and gave it his best shot, hence KSW1 but inevitably it succumbed, but mostly to internal corruption, greed and ignorance of what the subject was all about.
One could agree with Hubbard’s earlier writings and ponder why in the heck are you persisting with meat bodies? But to put it into a more “Factors” orientated scenario, new viewpoints need to be acquired. The current scene on earth is pretty dismal if one expects to live for 500 years but wen don’t. So what is the solution – work out the problem first and you just might have a chance.
Robotism is doomed to failure but of all the groups I’ve ever seen the US Marines encourage individual thinking and action as long as primary objectives are maintained – they did and do appreciate individual initiative. The overall goal of any group is what defines it. Hidden agendas are a fact of life but do untold damage.
Management structure and individual motivations within it have a life span.
To coin a popular movie term, “mankind can’t handle the truth!”
Self-determinism is all Scientology really offers, the rest is all smoke and mirrored by greed & ignorance (axiom 38).
Just my 2 cents worth.
Maybe not really on topic, but I have some questions after reading the comments today ..
Stat Push by Thursday 2 pm is not wanted by LRH .. it falsify the real stat of production (products) .. and it is not a sign of expansion when the stat goes higher on thursday .. what I mean is, you can prepay a lot but it is only the money .. no exchange done .. it is not wanted by LRH .. it makes up false stats ..
About Day and Foundation Orgs I do not really understand what is said. Once I had for 2 days a foundation contract with Munich Org .. had following to be in the evening and at weekend a staff. Thought it would be a good idea to do so. So, 2 days later I should sign a full time staff contract .. which I did not do. It would be impossible to have enough money for life with the staff pay ..
Maybe I have something misunderstood in the past or here on the thread .. what is wrong with it to put day and foundation together .. it will end up in one stat .. or what?
Hi Friend,
I will attempt to answer your question about Day and Foundation orgs. I believe LRH established them because they promote to different publics — Day to full time students or people who work in the evening, and Foundation for people who have a day job. It makes maximum use of the org building and since the Class V org staff were never supposed to be Sea Org, it gives the staff time to work at a job outside the org and see their families (hopefully). They are 2 separate orgs so combining them means closing an org. With LA Org combining Day and Foundation, Miscavige now has staffed it with SO members because he has so much more control over them and can have them work any hours he wants, and they get their room and board.
Good answer
Several commentators think combining Day and Foundation or closing an org could be a good idea. I don’t. I think if an org is failing, instead of closing it management should ask why? and how can we fix this? But, on the other hand, if closing an org IS a good idea, we can give the devil his due and validate DM for this! But people still in the C of S are certainly supposed to follow exactly what LRH said and he did say no combining or closing of orgs. Couple of other comments: my late husband and I noticed some years ago that all the expansion was occurring where we couldn’t check up to see if it really was occurring. I wonder if folks in Thailand are told what great expansion we have in the U.S.!
They would be (told this) if there were any folks in Thailand….
Yes, very good answers Jenni.
My my Dave really has come along way since Garcia’s letter hasn’t he… How long will it be before scientologists are saying “Ron… Ron who”?
Brave new world…? More like brave new cult.
STOP! If you think FACTS will make them THINK…. oh I get it. You think the truth will set them free? They do not want the truth, they can not handle the truth… not until DM tells them what the truth is and how to handle it. How anyone can “blindly” follow THAT organization is a study in human failure.
Keep putting it out there – someone someday will understand. Then the group will shrink yet again. And keep shrinking until it is all gone.
Well the premise that if you build fancy mest orgs, they will boom, has been proven an abject failure. I know you’re right Mike, that there’s never been a lasting successful org, but I can’t help but wonder if a mission like, Santa Clara, before it got decimated by the finance police, could have continued to be successful . I also agree with Foolproof because I saw policy being constantly violated, so it’s hard to tell. I never respected the body of admin that much and didn’t think “tech” was ever the right word for it. A process, designed to handle charge needs technical precision, but policy should be more fluid to address whatever needs to be done to get good products and fulfill the purpose of the group. Oh the blasphemy! Adding to dm’s twisted game, all the ,hidden crazy GO/OSA policies and way, way, way too many admin staff, running around NOT auditing or training anyone, it seems it was doomed. I think LRH was experimenting with trying to treat a group like a being and he thought he could outline the “tech” precisely to de-aberrate the group as it was functioning. There is now gobs of evidence that that hypothesis was flawed and that the 3D would not respond in the expected way.
JennyAtLAX – that’s funny, especially with the avatar. I LOL’d. Thanks 🙂
Re: JennyAtLAX – that’s funny, especially with the avatar. I LOL’d. Thanks 🙂
“Wow!”
Man, I’m reconsidering tho – any trophy shop could whip up a new nameplate to paste over Acunto’s. What a great gag gift that would make!
OMG, that is funny! Bought for $2.5 Million, selling for 300 bucks! And look at the case that goddamned thing comes with! I’d buy it just for fun, but it’s not even worth $300 to me.
Not naive at all. It’s something the still-ins should be asking themselves, and what came to this no-longer-in’s mind immediately. Making Saint Hill Ideal?? WTF??? That was LRH’s fucking HOUSE! What could more ideal than that?
I don’t give a shit one way or the other, because I’m all done with LRH and his inventions. But this *should* come across to a proper Scientologist as yet another instance of Mr. David Miscavige, twerp that He is, “fixing Ron’s fuckups.”
I mean, it takes a minor suspension of disbelief to accept that some SP transcribers fucked up LRH’s books, but to think LRH couldn’t even get his own goddamned house right, THE sun-source of Standard Tech, why, that takes willful blindness or utter ignorance.
Whatever you say about L. Ron Hubbard (and I say plenty), Scientology is his. Anything more, less, or different from what he wrote, or uttered on tape, is not Scientology. What I find fascinating is that it is being redefined by a superannuated, under-grown 8th-grader from Philadelphia and people are buying it.
I so agree with you. Like Scientology or hate it, or a bit of both, Scientology is what LRH created, not what Miscavige created. And to think that everyone was doing it wrong, and the books were all wrong, when LRH was alive, is willful blindness.
Re: David Miscavige
“I knew every inch of him.”
Hymn of Asia:
Hmmmm. Maybe *I’m* Metteya!
Nah. LOL.
Hey, don’t forget the begging for $ to put in the Failwinds fuel tank!
Scientology – L. Ron Hubbard “Platinum Meritorious” Award – 2.5 Million Donation
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Scientology-L-Ron-Hubbard-Platinum-Meritorious-Award-2-5-Million-Donation-/131349240620?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e95065b2c&afsrc=1
Mike, great post one of the best ever. Thanks for putting it all in perpective in one global sweep.
I think this is one of the best compilations showing what really is happening.
Re: Another Org Closes. “It’s a god-damn joke. No one gives a crap.”
Jenny, there are a lot of people that do give a crap.
Jenny you ignorant slut………
Re: Jenny, you ignorant slut…
“That’s the truth.”
Hallie Jane, I laughed so hard at “Jenny, you ignorant slut…” That really dates me I know, but I am lucky I didn’t have coffee in my mouth when I read it. Thanks for the laugh.
My comment is not in defense of LRH, but I think the reason he stated it would be a high crime to consolidate orgs is that I think he truly believed that Scientology would continue to expand even well beyond the time he was no longer on the scene. It turned out he was wrong.
Have you not heard the phrase ‘less is more’? Less-is-more-tech is now being used extensively by Lil’ Davey’s army. GATIII is actually going to half the amount of courses you have to take, and cost you even more than all of GATII – ‘less is more’. Repeat after me: less is more, less is more, less is more…
Hey, Mr.Grant, you are a genius ! That’s the funniest shit I’ve ever heard! GAT IV, 1000% standard tech,
Hilarious! Been laughing for the last 20 minutes. But what really set me off line charging was “a single scientologist clearing the planet from a padded room” !!!! and I know who that scientologist is going to be :
None other than His Royal Diminutiveness. Aaaahhhh, ha, ha, ha , ha, ha, haaaaaaaaaaa !!!!! Oh, god,
it hurts ! My ribs! I can’t breathe!!!
Mike this is kinda off todays topic and probably it’s a whole huge subject for another post from you.
As a never-in who found the pitch with the personality test bogus right from the start it has been easy for me to laugh at the inanities of the COS today. And I have laughed at it because it has become such a parody of its ridiculous self. But given the self destructive pathway it is on it would be sobering to think what is the best outcome from here? Obviously there are a lot of people still in who feel scared to leave and I wonder what will happen to them. There are people who have have had positive gains from things learned in the church, some of whom are now realising there were other ways to have those same gains (and more) and some (independents) who still swear by them, minus of course current management. These people deserve respect. There are people who have been bilked of thousands of dollars. When the thing finally falls apart how do we as a society act to see if they can get some of that back instead of it all being sold off for real estate value with the money disappearing. Maybe it is time for an intervention by an empathetic government agency or even a legal team that is going to not take all the proceeds in fees for the lawyers. Anybody got any thoughts about the end-game? I’d hate to see a billionaire Miscavige relaxing on the Freewinds in the Caribbean and a lot of people left destitute mentally or physically.
Mike, I started reading your article and I breathed deeply and relaxed when I saw you state the LRH policy about closing and combining orgs because I too have known that policy for decades. Then my heart raced when I felt the Shermanspeak. But you cut that short, thank you. What a roller coaster ride. And .47x is right. They’ve had the decimal point in the wrong place.
But here is something that really gives everybody a true picture of Miscavige: Mike Rinder can grasp the global reality of things and run with it and do it day after day. And Miscavige put Mike in the hole and in the lake. THAT says everything that anybody needs to know about Miscavige. And Miscavige treated Marty and Karen, Steve, Debbie and many others similarly. Close closed. Guilty. Report for sentencing Davie.
Tut, tut Mike, quoting LRH policy.
You will get stick for this mate!!!!
This is so typical of the Dwarf’s insanity and only in the current world of lunacy in the Org can this be “ideal”.
I suspect the combining of two Orgs will be put out as expansion, and they will actually believe it.
I must get shares in Kool Aid.
Mike,
As a point of comparison, which should be so obvious to any scientologist in the US.
Jehovah’s Witness (by their own report) claims about “7.69 million publishers—the term they use for members actively involved in preaching—in 113,823 congregations” (Quote from wikipedia).
Not to quibble over the actual numbers, but I submit that in almost any town in America, you can find a “Kingdom Hall”. There are two within five miles of my house.
Yet, over half the states have no org. Perhaps one of those nifty stats will show how many square miles of territory are serviced by each org in the US. That number is probably more than 47X the Witnesses.
One other tidbit I found when checking on JW, a number that they may have in common with scientology, “37% of people raised in the religion continued to identify themselves as Jehovah’s Witnesses.” 63% of the born-ins bail. How does that compare?
But to be fair, the Jehovah’s Witnesses have been around a lot longer, since the 1870s. I am sure, though, that they did not get to where they are today by fundraising for ideal churches.
How about Australia Mike? Does anyone have any juicy tit bits about each org in Australia ?
Ummmm tidbits maybe? Though your version made me giggle
Wow I always thought it was tit bits. But I must of admit I do like tit bits better.
“47 green bottles sitting on a wall,
and if one green bottle was to accidently fall…”
There’d be 46 idle bottles sitting on a wall
Hubbard said, “It is an act of Treason to reduce, combine or close an org.”
This is exactly why corporate Scientology is going off the rails and nothing can stop it. In the world of business, you have to question constantly “sacred cows” like this principle, and you have to change them when they no longer reflect reality. IBM went off the rails in the late 1980s, and it took a complete management outsider (Lou Gerstner) to shake up the company enough to get them to change what they needed to change. That involved selling off old businesses that were formerly sacred among many other sweeping changes. Eventually, IBM re-emerged as a serious contender in the computer business.
Even though this organization is not a business in the classical sense, running it as a business is still important if it’s to survive in the world. And a pronouncement from the founder that you can’t alter the structure of your field organization for any reason or you will be excommunicated (even worse than getting fired) means that you are essentially divorced from being able to do what will save the business.
In other words, with “admin tech” like that, the only possible fate for the corporate organization is to go right over the cliff at full speed. The only question is when. My current estimate is that they will no longer be able to sustain operations within five years. They seem pretty willing to operate with no actual customers, as long as they can continue to get staff to open the doors to the empty orgs. So they can live without customers and without a lot of money coming in. When they don’t have people for David Miscavige to yell at and abuse, they’re done.
Incidentally, for those who still cling to the idea that everything Hubbard said or did was good (and the only bad influence was Miscavige), all you need to do to get a dose of reality is look at Hubbard’s “admin tech” to see pathetic unworkability enshrined as brilliant doctrine. The seeds of destruction for corporate Scientology was planted long before Miscavige took over.
Excellent comment JPC.
I included those quotes somewhat tongue in cheek. SH Fdn has been a joke for many years. It was way past time for it to be put out of its misery. But in the mind of a scientologist this is clearly an act of treason.
I have argued with people here a few times that the proof of the unworkability of admin tech is simply the state of orgs and the fact there has NEVER been a long term expanding org.
Yes – because they don’t apply the Policy – the facts are simply that. If they let me take over an Org I would boom it within months – by following Policy. First thing I would do is cancel the donations scams and take it from there. Then a bit of er, ARC…
well, you can assert this idea that the only problem with admin tech is that nobody applies it, otherwise it is perfectly workable, but evidence in the real world doesnt support this conclusion.
If not a single person could “apply it correctly” over a 60 year time period, I would say it was not workable. There is NO org or enterprise anywhere on earth that has applied this technology and resulted in stable expansion. Not even St Hill, which collapsed into insolvency after LRH left.
A “technology” that only works in theory and has never proven workable in the real world is not a workable system.
This doesnt mean there is nothing of value in there, I use parts of it routinely. NOr is it to say that the current operating basis of the church does not allow ANYTHING to be done as it is simply a glorified ponzi scheme.
I simply object to the somewhat arrogant assertion “if I took over an org, I (unlike the thousands who have gone before me) would boom an org by following policy.”
Sorry, you may be a good person and you may be smart, but the odds are just not in your favor. Not a single person in 60 years has been able to accomplish this despite the best intentions. I would say that is empiric proof of its lack of workability.
Mike, you’ve given the best and most succinct unbiased comment on the unworkability of admin tech I’ve ever read, the obvious long term evidence speaks for itself. I seem to recall a 51 lecture where Hubbard admits he doesn’t have much of a handle on groups, he likened them to organisms in their behaviour but they are very difficult to process; the bad ideas in them are impossible to kill or erase – the bad or wrong ideas just keep cropping up and repeating themselves.
Notwithstanding that there is some good stuff in admin tech and the data series sure has some sobering info but any business has the odds stacked against it for success. At a rough estimate it’s 80% of all businesses fail in the first 3 years isn’t it? So to survive it must take a workable formula capable of adaption to varying conditions. At 60 odd years the Cof$ is somewhat remarkable it is still there at all with the crimes and delusion it perpetrates in the name of religion.
I still think there’s something worth investigating with Hubbard’s work despite his personal short comings but as a big group activity it got too big too fast and it’s own wealth generating (potential)got the better of it. Like ants to honey the corruption grew and grew. Most organisations don’t last long if they can’t adapt to change and the more miscavige remains stupidly steadfast opposing and altering what generated the boom of Scientology in the first place the more his sticky demise is assured before his retirement (in a cage, karma willing).
Thanks Yawn. If you want a shorter statement I would sum up the problem with Admin Tech as “It allows no room for common sense” — by that I mean that it is considered to have the answer to all problems, and that any failure is ascribed to a lack of “application of the tech” and thus the ONLY right solution is to find a writing somewhere that TELLS you what to do precisely, thus it is unthinking.
John, this is nonsense – we are not talking about selling PCs but a workable technology of the human mind and spirit – to compare it with IBM selling PCs is ridiculous. The facts are that DM and his cohorts have violated policy right, left and center. Without these fools sabotaging the show there would have been no other “competitor” for this “market”.
Foolproof, I think John’s larger point here is not about whether Scientology, as a technology of the human mind and spirit, is workable or not. His point, as I read it, is that any organization, especially a large and complex one, needs to be able to evolve and adapt its management strategy in response to changing circumstances.
The specific example here involves closing, consolidating and/or moving orgs. Churches do this all the time, as their congregations move around or demographics change or the size of a congregation sinks below a viable level. This doesn’t alter the teachings (or “tech”, if you will) of the faith — it’s just a question of managing the church’s resources so it can continue to meet the needs of its members.
John notes that the Hubbard policy forbidding this kind of management flexibility is harmful to the church. It’s not a question of whether the tech works or not. It’s more about whether every single aspect of the organization needs to stay locked in place no matter how much the situation has changed. Do you still disagree?
I am sure you are right. Foolproof gets very touchy about any perceived slight of LRH writings.
Foolproof: The Indies have NO DM or anything/anybody preventing them from booming. Where are the indie booming orgs? They can follow policy to the letter.
Foolproof, I agree with you to a large extent about LRH’s admin policies being workable and conducive to expansion except for 1 point, just 1 point, namely, the Birthday Game.
Targets are fine but running a self help business like Scientology with “Thursday at 2PM” as the stable datum is just not workable.
I can’t see running ANY business and maintaining even fair exchange and viability with that kind of arbitrary injected into it. If I ran my business on that kind of stable datum, I would very soon not have a business.
Give one of my people lower conditions because he gets his product a day or so, or a week, after the target date and time? Cut my throat, you know? I depend upon the good will and self-determined cooperation of the people who work for me. Targets, yes. Punishment in whatever form for not making them? No way.
Now, that said, there IS LRH admin tech that I’ve been using for years that I wouldn’t dream of NOT using because it has been so demonstrably workable over the years: also there is admin tech I am planning to implement which indicates to me that it will be workable and helpful of expanding my business.
But the Birthday Game as a stable datum for running things is IMO a destructive, toxic, unworkable and ultimately self-destructive arbitrary. From the beginning I resented and distrusted it, and I was only a public, never even staff or SO.
And another thing about targets: I’m not into them, as a MANAGEMENT STYLE.
Other than being supportive I mostly don’t interfere with them. They have their own ideas about what they should do and when. I’m there if they need me, otherwise I’m laissez faire. When I worked for others I hated being under a bosses thumb, and did my best work with bosses who didn’t hover, so I do now what worked for me back then – congeniality, hatting as necessary, a safe terminal to ask a question etc if/when necessary, and, for the most part, being left the hell alone to do my job.
Aquamarine: Speaking of the nonsensical Birthday Game I recall a very old video of Marc Yaeger and Guillaume Lesevre in the mid-80s talking about the LRH Birthday Game (you can still find the video on youtube) of making everything the size of “Old Saint Hill”. A couple things in that video are still things the church does today in their marketing, highlighted in the funnies every week here and at the Bunker. They mention a goal of being “Old Saint Hill” size, without defining just what that is. Income? Staff levels? # of public? They also tell everyone to “5.4x”, but they never say what ‘X’ is, just like today with 47X or 101X or whatever number they pull out of their asses. It’s just a bunch of nice sounding numbers that don’t mean anything, and yet that’s what they base their highly revered, unalterable policy off of.
The other thing that got me was that in this mid-80s video they state they wanted every org to be the size of mid-60s Saint Hill. Scientology has always ebbed and flowed and I get the general consensus is that it peaked around the early nineties and then a steady decline as more information about the cult became more easily accessible. But by having a goal in 1984 of becoming as big as Saint Hill was in the 60s, wasn’t that a tacit admission that Saint Hill itself declined since the 60s? To a thinking person, the question should be why wasn’t Saint Hill in the 80s bigger than it was in the 60s? What does that say about the policy or the people running the show? Again, it makes no sense, but it is inflexible, unalterable gospel. But the proof that it doesn’t work is right in front of them.
Reply to Richard: yes, I know John P wasn’t (in his text) challenging the workability of the tech. My point is that Scientology’s product – if it was produced by Orgs without interfering “management”, and following Org Policies would sell itself and there would be no need to close Orgs. Word of mouth would have won the day, ok, with a bit of marketing as well and exactly as LRH states – with (people reading not just buying Basic) books and training.
Actually my as yet unstated point (in this thread), is that paradoxically it was the damn Sea Org that continually violated LRH’s policy and continually unmocked Orgs, by ignoring/violating Policies based on some sort of personality chagrin or Sea Org group engram or think the worst of which was – “We are senior to Policy” which meant in their warped minds that they can violate Policy, and which they did – constantly. I have actually heard Sea Org execs stating this. And anybody who truly followed policy was targeted. Anyone who got stats up was targeted. And thus all that is left are those that don’t follow policy and don’t get stats up – and we see the results in empty Orgs. So to blame the policy is still in my opinion, daft. It’s like saying to a PC user who rings up and says “my PC isn’t working” – but he hasn’t read the damn manual! Or – he has read it but says “that no longer applies, things have ‘moved on'” What are you going to do in this instance? Create at vast expense video palaces instead of basic courses? Wrong public – these DVD public cannot read a book or if they can then they are being DIVERTED from reading a book – which LRH states in Policy is the way to boom Orgs! Or threaten people for money for nothing as in donations because the Org cannot now deliver the services which they are supposed to provide?
Mike: my remark about me booming an Org is not based on wishful thinking, but to some degree, history. Only thing is it was rather short-lived due to – the Sea Org, or rather suppressive members thereof (they weren’t all bad – ha!) violating policy! All roads lead back to that particular “Rome”. Mike, you also seem to think that I am somehow biased in my comments but all I am doing is stating what I see.
As to the Indies not booming, that is more a question of public profile and copyright. Some of course are also squirrel (like the Church), many not however, but they are hampered by the fact that they are somewhat “underground”. I see the Independent Field as a (mostly good) stop-gap until the scene in the Church reverts. So to compare or use them as an argument for one’s case is somewhat misleading.
And I think you will find that many of the people reading here routinely apply “policy” to their lives and thus live better, as Mike says above.
Aqua: your points about giving staff lower conditions is correct. But my point is that staff were routinely hammered by execs who again did not follow the policy and went overboard in their desperation to raise stats – because they had not followed the policies! In other words the Execs again were not exactly following the policy in assigning conditions – instead of assigning an emergency condition the staff were declared or removed from post. Etc. etc. (The Birthday Game was not actually policy – but I do not want to split such hairs here. But intrinsically there is nothing wrong with setting targets.)
And which LRH policies then are “false” – and why? I would like to hear of them, but, as I said in another thread I think I will be waiting for specific answers for quite some time.
In fact you can take everything we are commenting on in this blog and find the HCO Policy that is being violated by Church executives, staff and to some degree, public. I am open to a challenge on this – if someone can find a situation that is non-optimum in the Church I will point out the Policy that is being violated.
Jeez, LRH even invented the case handlings to overcome this sort of crap so as I say to blame the writings is, in my opinion, and I think many who post here, incorrect.
This will be my last effort to present you with a different viewpoint on this.
Don’t you see the double standard you employ in your analysis?
IF admin tech was just done right it would work — thanks to the brilliance of LRH’s tech. But it’s not allowed to work because of the morons in the Sea Org. The very Sea Org applying the VERY tech that LRH wrote. HE invented the Sea Org and it’s “management tech” to solve the problem that his admin tech was NOT being used.
If the problem is only the Sea Org, how come scientology businesses also fail routinely and miserably when “operating on policy” (see Acunto story for a recent example brought to light). Aha you will say, Acunto (and everyone else) was out ethics.
So, when does it EVER work as intended? And the answer to that is NEVER because there is ALWAYS a reason that explains the failure. It’s like the Soviet Union. After long enough, you have to look at it and say “evidence is it doesn’t work”, or in this case it doesnt have all the answers. You cannot just walk in anywhere and “apply policy” and turn an org or any other enterprise into Apple. Yet this IS what it claims, and your statements imply. All you have to do is “apply it” and you will expand any activity into a steady affluence. After 60 years of steady affluence a single org would now be making 10,000 Clears a DAY. Kaye Champagne’s rug business would be bigger than Ikea.
Mike, you have simply stated what I have been stating. I stated that there is nothing wrong with Policy but it is misapplied or ignored or not applied, quite heavily by the Sea Org, as well of course by other staff in lesser Orgs. That is what I have been saying.
As to Scientology businesses failing, well, some do, some don’t. We do not have all the details as to how many of them fully apply policy or not and which fail and do not fail and what percentage of them are applying policy or whatever. You cannot just make a blanket statement that “Scientology businesses fail and they were applying policy” – or do you have all the details required to make such a statement, no of course we don’t have all that data. But if we take Acunto as the example you mention did he not donate 10 million to the Church – sounds like a violation of the Affluence Formula PL to me! And as to these Scientology businesses are they not constantly interfered with and tithed by WISE, which is a Sea Org group is it not? This is exactly my point, the policy works if and when applied but very few seem to apply it and if and when some “executive” with some personality problem or envy or whatever does not interfere and create their own local policies.
I don’t believe I am using a double standard here. I have differentiated between the writings of the policy and their (mis-) application in this. You are saying the writings are deficient, i am saying that they are not and that the people (in many cases deliberately) misapplying them are. There are even policies which explain that you must follow policy and not (deliberately) misapply then and one will get into trouble if you misapply them etc. etc.
As to Apple for decades their business wasn’t doing that well until they fortunately came out with some new gadgets. The IBM PC and Windows upstaged them for a long while. But we are not talking about gadgets companies.
Of course there is always a reason for failure – but the main one is that the policies were never applied or misapplied! Again it is like someone ringing you up on a support desk and saying “my computer doesn’t work” whereupon you ask if the user has it plugged into the wall and turned it on and you find out he hasn’t plugged it in. Same principle with policy .You have to “plug it in.”
OK. CLearly there is nothing that is going to change your view of this, and you have every right to that view. We agree to disagree.
As for “plugging it in” — it’s never occurred to you that because not a single person in 60 years has managed to “plug it in” perhaps there is something wrong with the plug? No, it’s a “perfect plug” because that is what the plug manufacturer says.
Ok we will agree to disagree, and I am not posting now because “I want the last word” here at all. But many Orgs have been successful for certain periods of time – until someone pulled the policy plug. DM has not only pulled the plug but created new types of plugs which do not fit the wall sockets and changed the voltage in the system. It is not true to say that there have not been successes – there have been many. In fact as one commenter states above it is quite remarkable that it has still survived despite all this nonsense and interference.
Name any org that has sustained growth over 10 years other than the artificially propped up FSO?
It is always explained that “someone pulled the policy plug” — but how come? Why is this allowed to happen when the tech supposedly has the answer for this? This is what I mean, it is NOT self-policing and self-correcting despite the Org Board and Livingness lecture. A lot of other organizations have far better qualifications/policing than the scientology system, which has proven unsustainable.
Last time I looked, there were still 2 orgs in Michigan – the “CoS of the Great Lakes” in Battle Creek, and the “Detroit org”, which floats around the Detroit metropolitan area and was last seen, I believe, in Farmington.
Yes, you are correct.
But I don’t get your point?
LRH ED 7 INT 16 March 1969 “CLOSING OR COMBINING ORGS”
HCO POLICY LETTER OF 7 April 1969 ORG REDUCTION OR ERADICATION
And there you have it, TWO LRH references to NOT do what Slappy IS doing (is High Treason no less). At least some Tech or Qual person has got to put 2 and 2 together on this – but they don’t. I swear sometimes I just have to slap myself to make sure I haven’t slipped into some weird altered reality. Ouch!
Yep. It is just “ignored”.
And all the Tech and Qual (and HCO) people who would have remonstrated have long since left or been booted. All that is left is the fucking dregs – I am fed up with being kind to these fools. They have supported a lunatic in sabotaging Scientology. They are all in Treason to the subject and its goals.
Marty could have told Linson, Yager and Bloomberg at LAX had they been of a mind to get in comm, but NOOOOOOOOO! They had their orders from WDC Chairman HFA. The Hot Air, Lies and HE&R stats are way more than 47X, though.
Mike,
Outstanding job at putting all of this hard hitting data together! 🙂
Hearing that the orgs were empty from Eileen Clark (RIP) in 2010 is what really got to my core and had me launched into an intense research as to what was going on with Scientology.
This article should be printed and sent out to ‘friends’ etc that are still addicted to the Kool-Aid.
If you make it a printable article I am game to do my part.
Let’s speed up this exodus.
Greta
Yeah this org closure/eradication/combining was another one of the squirrel things demanded by Miscavige that contributed to my awakening out of the Church of Scientology/Miscavige Squirrelling.
If we are to specifically look at Suppressive Acts in context of SP Acts against Scientology, Miscavige most certainly must have racked up the biggest score there. And it is a Church and staff of carefully-bred and conditioned sheeple that will never stand up to this crap.
It’s one thing to question the overall validity of LRH Tech and Policy, but it is quite another to hold yourself up as Mr. Scientology and Mr. KSW all the while setting new world records for most blatant squirrelling and undermining of the the whole shooting match.
The 47x is correct. Only the direction of it is wrong. A minor thing, but the direction is not upward, but downward. If you calculate again you will see that the 47 factor is correct.
Yep, Dave left out the minus sign. This will be corrected with GAG III.
Thank you for adding the reference! It is quite obvious to us outside of the church what contraction looks like. But those inside follow LRH references, instead of looking for themselves.
Mostly, they ignore LRH references and instead just do and believe as David says.
Very succinctly and correctly stated DollarMorgue -made me laugh as well!
This post and discussion prompted me to check in at idleorgs.com, which hasn’t been updated since May or thereabouts, but nonetheless proved worth a visit. The most recent posting was by someone who had been granted a tour of the Sydney org — which had been renovated and declared Ideal not long before, with COB himself officiating — and there are some nice pictures and text that capture the moribund scene there.
Anyway I’ve got a kind of irrelevant question. This org has something called a cafe. I’ve noticed this in descriptions of other orgs (including the fabulous New Reich Flag Building) — there’s always a cafe.
But what is the function of a cafe in a building that is empty except for a few sullen staff and (in the case of Sydney) a single dozing student in a classroom? Is somebody assigned to sit around in this cafe and wait for patrons who will never arrive? What would have happened if the visitor had plopped himself down in a chair in this cafe and ordered an espresso? Is this just another expression of the fantasy that someday this place will be booming and these classrooms will be filled et cetera? If so, it seems particularly sad and futile.
Yep, presumably all of those public meat bodies will need to be kept ‘sessionable’ and ‘studentable’. No excuse to leave the building.
Richard,
The Cafe has paper napkins in it. This becomes the main source of toilet paper since the bathrooms are not stocked with any. It is a back up plan of Daves to be sure no one goes without!
Coop,
These napkins could be rationed too. They may only give you ONE and then you have to make
some hard choices…
Greta
Richard Grant, there is of course a café on L. Ron Hubbard Way. There was a guy who sold hotdogs, which were quite good, from a cart but he was “encouraged” to leave the area so no competition with the café. The café sells breakfast, lunch and dinner and the last time I was there, Spring 2013, the quality was not very good.
It is a basic canteen, not a café. The staff and students call it a cafe. How sad that they intimidated the hot dog guy to leave.
and, he has been gone from me….
How do we address the ones who leave. Is it a lose or is it a savior, is it…..
Ahh ha. Be gone with you all!!!
Mike, before the release of GAT I (1996), there were a lot of “musical chairs” going on at the base to man up the RTC Rep unit that were fired out to various conts to be the enforcers for Dear Leader on a local level. My then wife Melanie was in Qual Gold at that time and was virtually ripped off post without a replacement to become an RTC Rep pretty much over night.
I was taken off post as the De-PTSer in Qual by Liz Ingber to be fired off on an Int recruitment mission and sent to Saint Hill – I believe to try to fill the holes of the people RTC was ripping off post. Hah! Sad to think that I was out to get a recruit to fill the space my wife was in to never be with her again.
Anyway, long story short, I get to Saint Hill, and the org is completely empty of public. There were only a handful of people in the BC course room and the entire month I was there I probably saw a total of 20 people on course. I’m not joking. It was that bad. Funny that you mentioned Bob Keenan a few days ago, because all he did was sit in the Security Room the entire time I was there. Anyway, Liz ended up sending me out for better prospects to AOSH EU in Denmark for better prospects as UK was a total bust.
There were a lot more people at AOSH EU at that time, but while there I got to go out to a lot of the European orgs and I was shocked to see how empty MOST of the orgs were. From all of the propaganda fed to us on a constant basis, you would have thought that every org was expanding or at least doing well – not so. Even back in ’96, MOST orgs were empty and failing across Europe and I would imagine the US as well.
The only things IMO that have kept Scientology afloat since the death of Hell Wrong, have been Flag, the PAC area orgs, and DONATIONS. Pretty soon only the whales will be left, and the sharks are starving.
John,
As De-PTSer, how many rollbacks led to DM? Did you sit on them yourself or just send a list to JB so he could wrestle with that hot potato?
threefeetback, great question and I know I covered this as BTs2free in a posting somewhere a while back, probably on Clambake a number of years ago. No doubt I did interviews with just about every single person on the base, save Miscavige and a few other people in RTC of course, but didn’t miss many since everyone wound up on the PTS list at least once. And when your name went on that list it sucked because your driving or operating equipment privileges were taken away until you were “handled.” I had people chasing me down and waiting outside my office all day, every day just so they could get off the list.
Yes, DM came up in a number of interviews as an item, however, in HCOB PTS Handlings, and this is from long-ago memory, there’s an HCOB titled PTS Handlings where it covers the FALSE PTS, where a “somewhat suppressive PC will name good hats as being suppressive” not verbatim, but something along those lines. As the handler you’re required not to buy into all of the “good people” the person is supposedly PTS to. So, you would have to either look for another present time SP, or take it back on the chain to find the “real” SP that this person was PTS to. It could also be that this person had evil purposes or intentions toward the person they were naming as the Who for them. makes me wonder if LRH came up with the FALSE PTS because people were realizing that hisself was an SP. Hmmm?
This became a problem for me because I had also witnessed DM behaving like a complete raving lunatic psycho over the years, and the fact that he was progressively getting worse. I figured then that he was probably PTS but that there was no way in hell he’d come to me for a handling! And there was no way that I’d say to anyone that COB was PTS and dramatizing the valence of an SP! Before I escaped the base, I realized that DM was the real SP for all of us there, and that’s why there were like 400-500 people on that PTS list at a time sometimes.
DM eventually had me removed from post and I was subject to an all base briefing by him with a couple of other Techies over a completely fabricated situation. I think he caught on to the fact that having a De-PTSer on the base wasn’t that great of an idea. I remember at that time being sort of relieved that I was being taken off of those lines, but also realizing that I too was “PTS” and I knew that he was my SP item. Therefore, I “disconnected” from him soon after.
John,
Thanks for the info. I’m glad you never put me on the list– ‘wasn’t necessary.’ Whatever became of Melanie?
Last I heard she was the RTC Rep for AOSH UK several years ago. I wish I had more info. Would love to try to get in contact with her. But as far as I know, she’s still long gone. One of DM’s Stepford Wives.
Speaking of whales, this info comes from a comment at today’s Bunker:
For sale at E-Bay: L. Ron Hubbard “Platinum Meritorious” Award – 2.5 Million Donation
The seller bought the contents of a storage locker belonging to Richie & Amy Acunto.
Link to the sale:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Scientology-L-Ron-Hubbard-Platinum-Meritorious-Award-2-5-Million-Donation-/131349240620?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e95065b2c
There has to be some sort of story behind this, there are a lot of awards for the Acunto’s in the auction plus leather bound books etc. Have they quit I wonder?
Recently I dumped my Patron Meritorious and some stupid Ideal Org Plaque but made sure I scratched my name off both thoroughly first, didn’t want them to end up on Ebay.
So it wasn’t the Acuntos’ themselves who are selling the trophies, but apparently they couldn’t pay for their storage and therefore the contents were sold. I kind of hate to see anyone in such a bad position, even if they were stupid.
Dave,
Good to see that you are making some progress on the Consolidation Program. Next, you need to pilot the CLOSING down of Orgs, similar to what you did in LA. This is the only way you are ever going to 47X your personally accessible stash of funds outside of US jurisdiction.
BTW, your gaggle of Team on Crack members handing out promo on the corner of Sunset and Vermont are being met with people shaking their heads from side to side (in wog terms this translates to “NO!”). You are also No Report on the PAC stats since you returned from your Circus and Seal Clubbing Events in the UK and EU.
Can someone give me a brief explanation on the primary difference between the orgs and the foundations? Is there really a need for both?
It will be interesting to see how the ‘celebrities’ mix with the hoi polloi now that the CCs are being combined.
There are Day Orgs and Foundation Orgs. Both are or should be Orgs in their own right. If the Orgs were run right then yes there is a need for both, as some can do their services durung the day others in the evening and weekends. The Foundation Orgs were usually stronger than the Day Orgs as most people studied took services evenings and weekends,
Thank you FP!
I don’t know about other orgs and CCs being combined, but my understanding was that Dallas was considered a CC, but they became a regular org. That CC and org weren’t combined, but the CC was converted to a Class V org. Can someone clarify that?
Yes, you are correct. My mistake.
My late husband and I were living in Oklahoma City from 2003 to 2007. We were a lot closer to Dallas than to Kansas City but Kansas City staff came to OKC to help us put on events. We put on a couple of Dianetics workshops and a “What Is Scientology” event. This was because Dallas was a CC so we “weren’t their public.” Sometime during that period they because a regular Class V org.
Ok, now that I’ve fortified myself with a few laughs, I can begin to confront the Contrary Fact of all these Still-Ins not only obeying but enthusiastically endorsing as expansion of Scientology actions which are flagrantly off policy. Insanity is hard to confront, and this can’t be more insane.
Aqua,
Maybe R2-68 Incomprehensibility may be of some help. “Spot something incomprehensible” repeated many
times…
Greta
R2-45 is the only workable process on the cult! Anything else is going on hoping.
Cooper,
I think shooting Scientologist is not a good solution. How many people had been killed just the last 100 years? Did it handle anything?
If someone wants to destroy a movement he has to create confusion. That is the only possibility to stop someone or something to have an effect. Observe the physical universe. Any particle that exists cannot be destroyed.
Therefore Scientology and single Scientologists had been confused. They are confused now about LRH, Tech, OT, themselves, past life or anything written or spoken form LRH. Those that figured out a strategy to stop Scientology did a fantastic job. They had found out the only workable way of getting rid of Scientology.
Now as they did learn how to do it they have a workable blueprint for other groups.
[Ah yes, I am dreaming. That just happened by accident.]
Schorsch,
“I think shooting Scientologist is not a good solution.”
Of course you would be correct on that. In any case, I thought R2-45 was a GAG III solo rundown Dave was going to pilot.
This is in response to Zephyr: thanks for suggesting this process. I’m going to do it.
Sorry to have to get all nit-picky on a fun- and fact-filled Friday post, but Russia has less than half the population of the USA.
Well noted. Corrected.
…. And Mexico is in North America. 🙂
FUN PLANETARY CLEARING FACTS:
Since the year 2000, the global population has grown by about 1 billion.
http://www.census.gov/population/international/data/worldpop/table_population.php
Population growth is clearing the planet of Scientology at a never before seen rate.
So much to comment on but first, the way you do Shermanspeak never fails to crack me up, Mike, so thanks for the laughs along with the facts!
Dear Mike,
According to recent statements by senior scientology executives, “nobody cares.”
I think most of them really don’t care. They are just going through the motions because they would feel “wrong” if they didn’t.
I think most of them just do their best to duck when contrary facts smack them in the face. They are only alive because of a few cheerleaders who make serious money in commissions by keeping them believing.
though perhaps the decimal point was misplaced by an SP transcriptionist and it meant to say .47X .. yeah it seems so, but it is not SP .. it is only that the point was so small that nobody has ever seen him ..
it is soon to be X -47th power…………………that is when you start to hear that giant sucking sound!
The sound of YSCOHB?
The posting makes it very, very clear and, more important, provides the exact perspective. Orgs have been there BEFORE the current leader took over – he has then created nothing, established nothing, maintained nothing.
Man, this is a very sad state of affairs for any individual – nothing of value, just what it ‘seems’ there, but in fact this character can’t create, far less expand nothing.
Technically, the State of Ohio does not have an org. The so-called Cincinnati org is actually in Kentucky, across the Ohio River near Cincinnati.
There is a “sort of” an org in Columbus.
I thought all orgs were ‘sort of’ orgs! They are sort of there doing some sort of thing to someone and plan on expanding when they sort it all out!
Technically, (and I mean that in every KSW which way), Scientology does not have an org. They have fundraiser shop fronts and trophy rooms, call in sales boiler centers, ghostly video screen lounges, but by any definition of an org that I can recall, Scientology does not have an org.
I forgot to add glowing orange runaround poles and oiliness tables. Still not an org.
I moved to Kazakhstan in the fall of 2000, shortly after the IAS event where is was announced that “LRH tech swept the nation” and gained “official religious recognition”. I was working in Pavlodar, with a guy who was Deputy Governor for the region. He had donated loads of money to Scientology expansion and there were new missions, Narconons and Criminons all over. I recall vividly after my arrival I asked one and all about the Kazakh Presidents proclamation and religious recognition, and was met with blank stares…I was shocked! Did you not hear the good news…? Sheepish responses, like I was pulling withholds from someone, “It wasn’t true”!. So what happened was that some of the Scientologists there heard the claim on the IAS Event DVD, about gaining “official religious recognition”. But no one wanted to bring it up, because they knew it wasn’t true, and speaking or thinking about it brought to mind that they’d been lied to. But I wouldn’t let it go, and kept pressing with questions, we even sent in an official request to the President to ASK if they had made such a proclamation, and the answer was NO! The Scientologists just didn’t want to believe that Fearless Leader had lied…
On a more positive note, I always thought that the injunction against combining Orgs was dumb, When I was Seattle Org ED I tried to go there and was very harshly demeaned for such a bad idea, even though it was obviously the right thing to do. So, Good Job Davey!
Even for someone who has been watching the decline of scientology for a while, these facts are sobering. Particularly that there have been no new orgs in the US for 25 years. The existing orgs were established in the previous period at an average rate of about one per year. One per year over 35 years or so followed by zero per year for 25 years…This church died a long time ago.
Yes and Mike has done a superb job with this post. There is nothing like taking the over-the-top words of people who pompously exaggerate and lie about their achievements and throw them back in their face. Very well done Mike.
More of this “closed for expansion” is happening.
Great article Mike. I’m sure the staff have two slogans “I will work harder” and “Well, DM is always right”. Straight out of Animal Farm by George Orwell.
YEs Lucy, and straight out of “1984” BT GEIRGE IRWEKK,
Oops. Typo. I mean to say “1984” by George Orwell
I may take BT GEIRGE IRWEKK as my new name. It has a nice ring.
A perhaps-naïve question from a never-in…
“an important move towards Saint Hill going ideal!”
Are they trying to say Saint Hill isn’t Saint Hill Size?
Is there an agreed definition of ‘Saint Hill Size’? of ‘Ideal’? Or are both terms just generalised bull-shit PR puffery?
“Saint Hill size” actually does have statistical requirements, I can no longer remember the specifics though I’m sure another reader will know. As for Saint Hill not being “saint hill size” it would be dependent on if it meets these statistical requirements – obviously it would have at one time (1960s ?) as this is where we get the term from. Now – almost definitely not as they’re combing st hill fdn and AOSH UK. Probably empty as most orgs are.
I myself was surprised that they’re applying the Ideal strategy to St Hill. I’ve never been there but had the impression from various pieces of glossy promotional material that it already had expensive looking decor, well landscaped grounds and so on and didn’t need to be refurbished, I suppose that’s not quite correct.
The term “ideal” definitely contains a large amount of “generalised bullshit PR puffery”. It’s a Miscavige creation, at least LRH came up with “saint hill size”. Ideal = depleting the local field of funds, buying a much larger building than needed (probably not applicable in St Hill’s case), spending millions on renovating it so it looks posh, then continue being empty, now being unable to afford the higher taxes and maintenance costs.
On the relationship between the two terms – sometimes there is a small boost in an org’s stats when it opens as “Ideal” and I think some of them may have been declared St HIll size but this would have been in name only. Basically all throughout the church hierachy, no one cares about going St Hill Size anymore and it’s all about going “Ideal”.
Not that all the above is of any consequence. No one worth his salt would enter an org to find out more about Scientology – a quick google search would be enough to turn most people away.
Saint Hill is a run down, ugly dump. Having visited it I would rather have recieved services in a mission over a brothel!
Thanks for the reply Captain.
Captain I’m wondering if the incredible shrinking Big-Man-Miscavige recently being awakened at dawn in his private wing might be a near death experience for SH. The break in of SPs at the most important, stupendous, mind-blowing over-the-top news IAS event ever may signal the end of him staying there ever again. He is not a person who appreciates those kind of security surprises. I love the description of the East Grinstead police having a problem controlling their giggles at the scene.
You mention Idle Orgues being unable to pay their taxes. I thought they were getting off without having to pay such Woggy expenditure like taxes and toilet rolls?
Tony-b – it would depend under which jurisdiction the org exists. Not all countries have recognised Scientology as a religion, and given it the according benefits. Toilet paper does exist sometimes. Sometimes a non sea-org org will have the staff who moonlight do a collection to pay for toilet paper, dishwashing liquid (I think you Americans call it dish soap) and all that kind of stuff. I remember being at Flag 15 years ago and there was plentiful toilet paper there at the time, perhaps it’s different now.
Captain, we Americans call it dishwashing detergent, at least this American does.
Mike writes:
“Thailand, being a predominantly buddhist country, was on the verge of being the first clear country. Nothing. (Same for all the rest of predominantly buddhist SE Asia — what one would consider extremely fertile territory, remember the videos of the buddhist monks in LA and at the Ft Harrison?)”
There is a huge mistake being made here. There must be an SP in the mix. I have been out for decades, but I seem to remember something from the HQS course about affinity, reality and communication. The theory goes something like this: If you raise one of these elements, the others will automatically follow, thus there will be an increase in ARC or understanding.
Sounds to me like they are busy promoting DMSMH and TWTH instead of the obvious Hubbard tome that will bring wide acceptance in any predominately Buddhist country: HYMN OF ASIA. This is glaring out-reality. How could they have missed something so obvious? If each of the eleventy million scientologists in the world bought a minimum of one copy of Hymn of Asia and donated them to the libraries and monasteries of Asia they would be well on their way to a cleared continent. And while they’re at it they might as well get these literary gems into all of the other libraries of the world. Revelation the Hubbard was in fact an incarnation of the Buddha will no doubt calm tensions in the Christian, Muslim and Jewish countries of the world. Let’s start with Asia though…
I suspect forwarding the concept that LRH is/was somehow their reincarnated Budda would go over like the proverbial turd in a Kool Aide laden cult punchbowl.
“I suspect forwarding the concept that LRH is/was somehow their reincarnated Budda would go over like the proverbial turd in a Kool Aide laden cult punchbowl.”
Maybe. I lived down the street from a family whose son has been officially recognized by a Tibetan Buddhist sect as one of their reincarnated teachers.
My kids played with his sisters and he was well known to us. The parents frequently hosted monks, who obviously were not from around here. (Clearwater, FLA)
The whole thing was apparently concocted by his mother, who told a story about the boy showing compassion toward bugs when a toddler and the sect’s high priests took it from there.
I was talking to someone today and he said something about “back when I was making a kajillion dollars a year” (I said “nice round number”).
I think each of the eleventy million Scientologists need to hook up with someone like the guy who made a kajillion dollars a year and everything would all be just fine.
Life is all perception, right?
I perceive something’s rotten in Denmark (or is that Hemet?)
It’s Hemet Valerie. 🙂
Very important and informative. Even the die hard “innies” are gonna squirm if they read this because they KNOW ITS THE TRUTH. They have seen it with their own eyes and not-ised it for decades. The truth that Scientology as a movement has been utterly irrelevant for decades now, statistically speaking is undeniable.
North Carolina was listed as one of the stares with no Org. Does anyone know if the Charlotte mission is still open? It used to be run by Allan and Jay James.
Just curious
Confront and be shattered indeed.
Re: Athens becoming and “org” – it was the same Mission it was before, only with the title of “org” (never got any bigger).
Miscavige’s greatest plan, the Ideal Org obsession, kills the Scientology “movement” faster than anything else.
The more he ideals, the more it idles.
How many of these few orgs have FP#1 in? Now that would be a revealing stat. I’m going to go out on a limb and say zero, 0, naught. Perhaps that’s too high a bar. How about number of orgs that are not 3 months or more behind in bills due? Too high? How about number of orgs that didn’t have to hold a fundraiser event this month to pay just the electric bill.
In the real business world, none of these orgs would be included in any list of functional operations. I have heard about whales paying some of these electric bills and rents. In the real world, a lien would be put on the concern and ownership would be turned over to the lien holder or bankruptcy courts would auction the properties off to highest bidder. This finger-in-the-dike solution is rapidly approaching it’s inevitable slide into non existence no matter how much they pretend the real world doesn’t exist.
Is it not illegal to ‘trade’ while insolvent?
I guess if someone reported those orgs to the local fair trading agency some of them could be cought out by not being able to move fast enough to get some dono in from their whales and that would be it for them.
It’d be a relief for public and staff…
I agree with your estimate of a two year half life. By 2020 there will be very little left, and at some point the residual will simply collapse until a few websites remain.
Well the thing is, Mike, with GAT II we now have 100% standard tech, which enables us to deliver planetary clearing from a smaller number of orgs, resulting in 47x expansion. This also reduces the need for active public.
When GAT III rolls out, we will have 200% standard tech, enabling us to deliver planetary clearing from Clearwater and LA alone, using only a few hundred SO staff, a dozen or so attorneys, and zero public, resulting in 5000x expansion.
With GAT IV, we will fulfill the dream of 1000% standard tech, making it possible for a single Scientologist to clear the planet from a padded room.
Clever 🙂
Lol!
GAT IV will certainly fulfull MY dream. Thanks for the laugh – I needed that!
Well, except I would feel sorry for the padded room.
Hysterical!
I can see I need to get my hands on some of that padding!
I’ve already had some calls from orgs that sounded like they were coming from someone in a padded room.
LOL!! Dm will be the only one who “gets it” and he will be the one in the padded room screaming “they are all out to get me!!!” The poster boy of KSW.
Would love to see the rationale for the 47 times expansion. Even when I was “totally with the program,” doing OT7 and OT8 – I always questioned, to myself :-), the numbers being thrown out.
I have to assume the majority that are still in and over 40 (which is the majority – more like over 60),
question these numbers to themselves.
Are they still sticking with 47x? That was several months ago. Must be up to 147x by now.
Shel — see the Atlanta promo piece in Thursday Funnies yesterday. 47X has become an “everybody knows” “fact.”
I have dealt with sociopaths on three different occasions in life and each displayed the exact same characteristics as described in the book, “The Sociopath Next Door.” Each had no conscience and each lied through their teeth. Something the book pointed out, which I also found to be completely true, is that we simply cannot believe that ANYONE could act like or lie the way they do. It just seems unconscienable, and there lies the rub…the books notes that sociopaths really have no conscience and it is we that have such a hard time understanding or believing that. Hard to have, but true. As a result, we get duped.
Most still in cannot conceive that they are being lied to. That is how it was for me too. It takes a complete witnessing of the lies to start to wake up. For me, I saw six empty orgs and witnessed the horific service at Flag. And even with that, it was hard to confront that anyone would simply lie.
It can really take a slap in the face of real stats and facts to wake up. It is still tough.
Great post Jonsty
Real SPs (like the sociopaths next door) are much easier to “see” or “spot” after you get run over by them! Ha…
I don’t think LRH was in good enough health/spirits at the end of his life to see that DM the camera man was hanging in the sidelines, like a psychiatrist, ready to steal power and then pounce on the rest of us. Once DM forcefully acquired his very parasitic power, it was the end of Scientology as an organization…. And the beginning of what?? … Arrrugh… this story has not been told yet.
But, these stats tell the story… Not even a $ billion can cover up the .47 X shrinking.
Well said jonsty. You don’t have to be a naive dummy to fall for this either. A decent person doesn’t conceive of the deceit before it hits him in the face.
I agree Shel….how can these 40 to 60 plus folks still in not quietly
question these numbers? I know a lot of folks that are still in drinking
from the cup, that 30 years ago I would never have thought they would
fall for such nonsense. Yet here they are. Some are making money from
all this….shame on them.
So they sit and wonder to themselves why the numbers don’t add up to what
they see. They wonder what will happen to them if they make that one last
decision to fly the coop. Unfortunately a lot of them will lose too much to make
that last decision. So here they sit….some solo auditing on the OT levels, others receiving
processing on the grades etc. They are all being audited and/or trained over a PTP.
A PTP they will never say they have for fear of reprisal. Hence no case gain….can’t audit
over a PTP. And to add to this, they have to praise Miscavige amongst their peers so as not
to be “found out”. What a mess they have themselves in.
Good point Potpie re that ONE PTP!
Greta
So true Potpie!
Fantastic article! No one can argue with the facts! The sheeple does need to wake up and observe the obvious. See the reality as it is.
Thank you Mike for your fact findings.
Facts schmacks. Do you think facts matter? To the people still (willingly) inside, facts are irrelevant and annoying. Do you think facts matter to Kirstie Alley? George Bailey? Carla Moxon? What matters to them is knowing that you know. 100% certainty. That the tech, applied 100% standardly is 100% effective. That’s what matters. Facts are for suckers. Stick to feelings.
Luke Skywalker knew for a fact that he couldn’t lift his x-wing fighter out of the swamp. Only when Yoda told him to “feel” the Force around him could he push stuff around by way of wishful thinking. Hubbard is your Yoda. Let his force flow through you.
Correction: comma after “standardly”
Big Somewhere Else stories have always been a staple of Scientology to try and explain the dissonance between the claimed “booms” and the observable local conditions.
Oh, somewhere in this favored land the sun is shining bright;
The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light,
And somewhere men are laughing, and somewhere children shout;
But there is no joy in your org — mighty Miscavige has struck out.
Bravo, Rick M.
Rick Mycroft. I memorized that poem at my father’s knee, along with “the Cremation of Dan McGrew”. I’m going to have to write a Cremation of Dave M to go with that
Um . . . Sam McGee not Dan McGrew my greatest apologies to Robert Service.
It does contain one of my all time favorite lines in the world:
Now a promise made is a debt unpaid…
And with that, my “homage” to David Miscavige:
There are strange things done in the midnight sun
By the men who moil for gold;
The Freewinds sails have their secret tales
That would make your blood run cold;
The Idle Morgues have seen queer sights,
But the queerest they ever did see
Was that night all did from the stunted one
And escaped from the COB.
Mike please edit that above one to say
Was the night all did RUN from the stunted one
We have some very creative people here! Great poetic take-offs, Rick and Valerie.
Well, shit Mike, if you just would have let David Miscavige beat more sense into you, then all of the 47X expansion would have come to fruition. It’s your fault. Look how good you are at pulling together the facts. Damn! Look how good you are at Shermanspeak! Just one more beating away and all of it could have been done.
Do your A-E (again – and this time “standardly”) and get your ass in there and stop making David Miscavige do it all by himself.
I think she is on to you Mike. Better step it up. Somehow this sack of wet shit known as THE CULT has befallen hard times.
Time to call in the elite of the elite. I say sack the losers who have been trying to run these orgs and call in the Sea Org from Flag to at least man up Saint Hill. And better get Dave over there to oversee the ops and get things back on track.
Yo Dave,
Its a brand new week and it’s high time you showed us how to get the job done. I’d say start out with a few beatings to get everyone’s attention and improve morale, then squeeze a few throats, get some veins popping and then sit back and watch the stats soar. We’re right there with ya good buddy!!!! And remember….fuck-em if they can’t take a joke. This is after all, just good clean fun!
BTW, where is Shelly anyway?
Shelly? NGAFAHA remember? Just ask Jenny – oh wait where is Jenny?
Valerie: Transcript of phone receptionist from gold base (Miss Doolittle) “I’m sorry you are on hold waiting to contact Jenny? I just checked with her supervisor and he says she can’t come to the phone right now as she has been holed up….sorry I meant held up. No I don’t know when she will be contactable as she is on assignment, the dumpsters have just been emptied and need to be cleaned. It would help if you give me your visa card number we are out of tooth brushes to help her clean them. No I don’t think you should call back for quite a while as it is a big and important assignment she is on”
This post brings more light on his massive contraction expansion. If only 24 states in the US have Orgs now, that would mean he has succeeded in clearing 52% of the U.S. of Scientology. Doesn’t thay make his stats 52x not 47x? I guess the 47x is a global stat and he has eradicated Scientology from 47% of the world. Nah that stat is too low.
+1 Valerie – love your perspective here. That must be it. The Wee One, is actually referring to the percentage of the planet that he is erasing all signs of SCN from!! Makes total sense now. (F/N, VGIs)
Odd
The “Ohio” org is actually located across the river from Cincinnati. Ohio in the state of Kentucky. Columbus has a small squalid mission downtown that gets a ton of foot traffic, so of course they are trying hard to raise money to make Columbus Ideal by moving into a former TV station property with zero foot traffic.
There is another sort of org in Columbus
What an incredibly “crushing” post, Mike. Really lays the truth out. Perhaps another flyover Flag and a huge sprinkling of leaflets laying it all out? LOL
does it include body thetans ?
You scared me for a minute, Mike. You were a little TOOOOOO good at Shermanspeak.
Then I saw your ‘disclaimer’. “Whew!”
I love your logic. Love the piece.
Hey. There’s an org in Idaho! Oh, wait. That’s an INDIE org. My bad.
This can’t be true!!! There are MILLIONS of Scientologists around the world!!!
(wringing my hands together sobbing)
There there Tony. It’ll be allright. Don’t worry. Planetary clearing is happening very very soon. Just as soon as Valley goes “Ideal” … then everyone will soon be clear … or something. By the way … your ideal status please?
Thanks Joe…sniff, sniff. Are we going to make the 10,000 on Solo Nots target also?? (Quietly sobbing again…)