Oh, the “impacting force” of it all…
This document, though Quinn the Eskimo apparently doesn’t realize it, is a scathing indictment of the scam that is the “ideal org” program.
The building was purchased in April 2009. That is more than 5 years ago. Yet this is the highest priority, most urgent thing in the world of scientology. This is, according to Quinn, one of the most important “ideal” orgs on earth, just a couple of miles down the freeway from CSI, ASI, CC, PAC Bridge and Bridge Publications.
This urgent, highest priority program that is so important to clearing earth, just got around to space planning and designing the building they have owned for 5 years… Doesn’t seem too urgent to me.
And soon they are going to start the “man-up phase.” Some reason they haven’t manned up before now? Even since GAG II when they finally got “standard tech” for the first time? That’s 9 months ago now and they haven’t manned up with all the auditors that are flying through their training, 100% within checksheet time .
If they had spent a tiny fraction of the money they have thrown away on the white elephant building to pay auditors, supervisors or others a decent wage, they would have plenty of staff. Hell, they could even get Bart Simpson to start a staff scholarship program — “join staff and we will provide you with enough money weekly for food housing and basic expenses to the tune of the difference between your staff pay and $1000 a week.” If they hired 50 auditors/supervisors and delivery staff (making them the BIGGEST Class V org on earth) — that would be $50,000 a week. Or $2.5 million a year. Bart has poured more than this into an unopened building. But instead of the money just being wasted on designs for marble floors and mahogany desks, those people would in theory be delivering services and MAKING INCOME. The “clearing” of the Valley would be happening.
Then Quinn comes up with a wonderful line that construction will not start until all the funds are in place “per policy.” Hah. What a joker and degrader this guy is. What policy? This whole activity could hardly be more “off policy.” But even with that, the truth is that the church has this money in hand 1,000 times over. So, why delay it further? Because this is the carrot to get people to hand over their cash. No unfinished building = no income. Simple as that. And it is a reason for the slow down in new “ideal orgs” as “COB” had a cognition that once he yanks the ribbon on a building, the money dries up. They are trying to solve it with the “Alliances” where existing “ideal” orgs fundraise for other not yet “ideal” orgs, but that isn’t working out so well. Those tapped out bloodless near-corpses gave everything they had to get their ideal org and now they are being told they have to get someone else’s too. You can only go to the well so many times and Miscavige and his minions have worn a path that resembles the Marianas trench.
Then Quinn presents some very creative math. They’re only going to dump $16.2 million into the renovations of this white elephant. That’s a bargain, remember, it is 100,000 square feet (when they cannot utilize 5,000 now). At this point, they “only” need another $9.2 million (it took 5 years to get 7 million, Valley appears it will be without an ideal org for some time to come….). He explains that Bart Simpson and the rest of her Springfield “team” is going to match $3 million. So that only leaves $3.2 million. Somehow he managed to “disappear” $3 million, trying to make the target sound “easy”. Just another $3.2 million sounds so much better than $6.2 million. To the flogged horses of the Valley I am sure this comes as great news. “Instead of another 200 miles with a 300 lb rider, you only need endure another 100 miles (though when you get there, you will still have another 100 miles to go).
To Quinn, it’s just another number. And all anyone has to do is “decide” to “move up in status.” It’s really easy. The money is just a consideration.
Funny, if it is really so urgent that the very future of Los Angeles hangs in the balance (and the other 8 “ideal” orgs in LA aren’t getting anything done) then I have a brilliant solution. Quinn, why not bestow some status on CSI or RTC or the IAS — “magnum superior being” or something — and have them stroke a check so the renovations can begin? It won’t even make a dent in their bank accounts. But more importantly, their home city can then be “salvaged.”
Don’t tell me CSI, RTC and IAS don’t believe that this is important enough to invest any money in? It is one of the most important ideal orgs in the world (though nobody has yet explained why?) After all they will OWN the asset? Even then they don’t buy this story?
This whole pitch highlights the hypocrisy of David Miscavige and his band of merry moneymakers. They operate on the age old principle, “Do as I say, not as I do.” There is absolutely no evidence that they buy the bullshit they feed the public to convince them to turn over their money. If they did, these ideal orgs would ALL be done by now because Miscavige would have ordered the checks be written. Funny, he doesn’t even follow his own “why” that orgs that are not ideal are like auditing rooms without meters, havens of out tech squirreling. He is content to just carry on with the majority of his orgs squirreling — yet HE is the person who touts himself as the one ultimately responsible for the standard application of scientology on planet earth.
It’s either one way or the other:
A. ideal orgs are absolutely essential because not being ideal is a violation of “KSW”, perpetration of out tech AND there is no hope for clearing the planet — in which case, all the billions they have accumulated should be invested in making every org ideal NOW.
B. ideal orgs are a joke and and simply an excuse to suck money out of people without having to deliver any service in exchange — in which casethe church won’t spend its money on them but will keep insisting that public give it to them with the promise of a brighter tomorrow (that never comes).
The answer to A. or B. is evident to anyone who is willing to look.
What a joke.
Every time I read “Clear the Planet” I can’t help thinking, “How the hell are going to clear the planet if you can’t even clear the fucking Sea Org?”
I mean, seriously. The SO is the least-trained, least-processed group of “Scientologists.” Maybe start turning them into actual Scientologists first. Gradients, you know.
Ron and/or DM had an answer for that, Gus. “Competence is above case gain.” And I”ve seen so many SO use that as a Service Fac to make it OK for them not to get their training and processing that they were promised.
Delphi Academy is allowing private functions on their premises? Maybe because it’s a day school (The Delphian School is boarding), but this still seems odd.
Interesting, Joshua. AFAIK, “Freedom” mag is not really a periodical. It’s something the “church” puts out as needed, when needed, for propaganda purposes. It doesn’t come out every month, or anything. I think the last issue may have been the one with all the bitter defrocked apostates on the cover and that was some time ago.
Apparently, with this issue, the “church” is trying to show that it is doing some kind of useful public service campaign. The “church” is trying to show it cares.
Of course, we know the “church” is full of shit, but they still think that people believe things in books because “Ron Said So.” So they put shit in print and expect people to believe it.
It won’t be long, Carcha.
“The anti-Scientology People” are running the Church of Scientology these days and have been for a while. But they have become more and more blatant and obvious in their out tech and off policy as time goes on. They are arrogant liars. Some of them believe their own bullshit to an extent, but that doesn’t mean that anyone else does. People can still have the innate ability to observe results as well as lack of results or poor results. Let’s just be ready to pick up the pieces when the whole charade blows up.
All of the people who have been scammed out of their money by this “Ideal Orgs” scam will be members of the the posse that hunts down DM to the ends of the earth and tosses him in the slammer along with his co-conspirators.
“Ideal Orgs” is the title of an HCOB written by L.RonHubbard which makes no mention of fancy buildings but does make much mention of expert delivering of services. It’s title was simply grabbed by DM as a sound bite.
Justice is coming.
Espiritu – Thanks – it’s nice to hear a voice of sanity and hope. Culturally, the progress of Scn as a religion has some parallels to the progress of Christianity. We’re just stuck in the counter-surge of the reactive mind, or slow understanding, or something like that, I guess. I think Scientology will come to be accepted for exactly what LRH said it is. It’s just going to take some time.
If people have trouble doing their taxes and taking out garbage and handling Monday mornings ….
As Scientology Inc failed to deliver its services (for all kinds of reasons …), the only thing left for them to make some money is real estate. Fundings come from fundraising under false pretenses. Because the buildings will never be used, because their is nothing to deliver and nobody to deliver to.
I think it is their last resort to make money. And that one will end also one day, sooner than later.
“You can get a much better fee — I tell you as auditors quite frankly — it’s much easier to get a great deal of money out of somebody who’s on a down spiral into becoming MEST than it is to get money out of somebody who is going on an up spiral toward becoming theta.”
―L. Ron Hubbard
Five years, eh? A small iron trinket around the corner from me was sketched out as a concept in May 1884 and opened to the public in March 1889 … https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eifel_Tower
Great post Mike. This ongoing pillage is truly disgusting. To think that so many auditors/CSs/supes could be paid a living wage TODAY, but dm doesn’t do it, is such blatant evidence of his true intentions. The cow has left the barn I’m afraid, because I am hearing more and more winning people on OT VII, OT levels, grades, life repair and more. Indie auditors are up and running, for those who wish to flip a bird at the greed and can’t have. I read a truly beautiful success story, last week, of a brand new guy who was thrilled with his auditing and has no interest in corporate Scn. The vulture culture has served to break up the monopoly which is working out just fine.
Yes, with the particular wood and the particular design most conducive to the ability to confront and have major stable wins whlle doing TRs! I’m really getting into this.
Laughing. Calm down Aqua – your TRs are going out – ha! Go and sit on a wooden bench for a while. We’ve had Ideal door knobs so why not chairs?
New ideal toilet paper with DM’s picture on it.
This mailer perfectly highlights the economies of scale at which this cult operates. 330 couples/families are driving this thing. If your favorite sports team only had 330 season ticket holders, they’d go out of business. If Nancy Cartwright alone were to suddenly wake up and not give them another dime, this thing would never ever get done (hell, even with her it’s looking desperate). So much of this is on one person. I wish Nancy would get a clue, but as Mike and many others have posted, the further you go in, the more you’ll resist the idea you’ve been had. As for the rest of you, it doesn’t matter what status you are, you’ll always get asked to move up. It’s never enough.
How important is Valley? I don’t know, but Tom Cruise did get booed loudly just down the road at Chavez Ravine not too long ago. You’re not ‘clearing’, you’re not expanding, and you’re certainly not helping anyone or anything.
Do a building’s internal renovations really cost as much as what they are stating, which seems on the same order as the cost of the building itself. Or is this just another way of doubling the money to be obtained on the building? I would have thought at the most such would cost 2-3 hundred thousand dollars for a very big org/building – this surely would cover a fair internal refit with a few “hard chairs” for students on PRO TRs thrown in.
(To explain my comment: I am told that students on PRO TRs have to do their TRs on deliberately hard wooden chairs! Someone has actually taken the time and trouble to “advise” that this should occur! Can you believe anything so outlandish? We are talking about a course room here, not a Marine assault course! Oh! Perhaps that’s the Crashing MisU here – “course”? Still, at least (yet) it’s not “Nude TRs” (on hard wooden chairs with splinters)! I leave you to work out the tone level of the person who advised that course rooms for PRO TRs should have “hard wooden chairs”. Jeez!) (I am going to look a bit silly here if it was LRH in an “HCOB” – but surely not?)
Foolproof, the first time I did TRs was on the old Comm Course, then a few years later I did Pro Trs (not GAT). In between these two courses and many times after Pro Trs until about 4 years ago, I coached students who were doing their own courses, STC, GATI Pro TRs, TRs & Objectives, and never once was I ever shown a reference about the kind of chairs required for them That said, there were never any armchairs in the academies, and common sense would dictate not doing TRs in a Lazyboy or a Stratolounger (spelling?) or even in a non-upholstered hard chair that had arms as it would provide too much support for the body thereby making it too easy to fall asleep. Funny, I never thought about this until your post, but perhaps some more Lost Tech has been found, with Miscavige having discovered that LRH always wanted the Pro-Trs courserooms to have hard wooden chairs, so that now it has decreed from on high that “per LRH” all GAG II Pro Trs courserooms must have only custom-made, uniquely designed Ideal Chairs made of, “pure Mississipi oak” or “ancient California redwoods not less that 500 years old”..Ideal Chairs. Honestly, at this point, I wouldn’t be a bit surprised.
Aquamarine – I don’t recall one HCOB which states that either. No, I think it was a “Directive” from somewhere, but as you say I and all my peers did our hard TRs on hard chairs, not because of plan but because that was all the Org could afford. One would think now with “Ideal Orgs” that they would give auditors and students more comfortable “ideal” chairs. Or is part of the pass test now that one has to sit on ground glass or barbed wire – that is the same level of stupidity (or evil actually)? But I would have loved a more comfortable chair to have done so nevertheless. Most auditors I know arrange their chairs with a cushion or the chair itself is comfortable etc. – they would be fools not to. What I thought was insane was someone taking the time and trouble to try and enforce this nonsense – no one is going to audit in an armchair that we know but some fool stating that auditors should learn TRs on hard chairs is just well, actually I can’t really describe it! Ha!
How much money is ever enough?
It is so sickening when you figure the real good those millions could do.
So bloody criminal.
Mike if you call her Bart one more time I will have no more coffee. Almost all of it is spit out, on my keyboard. you are killing me.
“Here is the trick.., move up in status”
Does Quinn know that “trick” means a cunning or skillfull act or scheme intended to deceive or outwit someone?
Sounds fitting. Quinn talks way too much as people do when they’re trying to pull something over on you, covering whatever it is up with lots of words to make you distracted.
Right! The “move up in status” thing has truly become a substitute for the actual bridge. Like positioning in advertising, they’ve marketed this to be similar to the actual bridge and are just pretending that it’s going to produce some good in the world. In fact, it is stolen money, from other important aspects of people’s lives.
Next Weeks Valley Fundraiser has been leaked ( Top Secret)
Taken from Rodney Dangerfield:
“Hey Everybody, Where All going get Laid!!!”
Excellent article and so true.
Another example of dm not willing to walk his own talk would be the 10,000 on Solo Nots that is so all fired important to tipping the “theta/entheta ratio” back in our favor.
If this were really true and SO VITAL to salvaging the planet why wouldn’t the cob cut the prices on all OT levels and get his own Sea Org onto this all important level?? He would do this IF HE REALLY BELIEVED IT?? He doesn’t so he is a big fat liar and a fake and a con man.
They say a picture is worth a 1000 words but the picture you picked left me speechless. Once again you have captured the irony that is the Church of Scientology. Where the elite of planet earth are on closer inspection exposed as the totally duped of planet earth.
#4 Is going to be a bitch. Years and years of training just to get to the point of delivery.
thank you for moving up in status, can you move in status?
thank you for giving us all your money, can you give us all your money?
damn that some strong ass kool aid!
I like the word “congeals” for ideal orgs. Makes them sound like jello.
My question is off-topic, but I thought this would be the place to ask. My wife works at a Christian radio station in Portland, Oregon. This week the on-air staff at the station all received shiny new copies of “Freedom” magazine. It is numbered Vol 46, issue 1, and has the headline “Are they Drugged to Death.” I thought this was a curious thing. Is it typical for Scientology to try and get this magazine into the hands of non-Scientologists? The magazine is written in a way that it could be read by Scientologists and non-Scientologists. It does not try in any way to hide that it is a Scientology publication. It even has explanations of lingo that might confuse someone who isn’t familiar with Scientology. It seems like this might even be a reboot of “Freedom” magazine. Does anybody know anything about it?
My wife knows I enjoy this sort of thing, so she brought it home for me. It is a pretty slick publications, full of TONS of misinformation.
Perhaps you can take the misinformation apart in a one hour radio show.
One of the church’s tenets (whichever policy letter) is to loudly decry drugs and psychiatry and position itself in the public eye as opposed to abuse. Freedom mag, initially just aimed against psychiatry, is part of that campaign.
Man O Man, the only thing I could regret right now about leaving the cult would be not having the pleasure of telling Quinn what his MATCH GAME means to me: Your face = my ass.
Everyone here is laughing. I think Quinn needs some of Gavin Potter’s 5x closing tech.
I’m thinkin that when the dildo makes His run for it (to the ship and then who knows) that He will likely leave Gavin in charge as His look alike and slush fund manager.
It’s going to be interesting when this org is complete. Of course the first thing that will happen is more donation requests to pay utility bills, taxes, toilet paper etc. Obviously there won’t be enough parishioners to cover the expenses. And the few new people that do come in will be made to feel “out exchange” because they are using the org and didn’t contribute. So they’ll be hit up. What a mess. This is just the start. I actually don’t think this is really real. I think it’s just a Twilight Zone episode.
It’s the episode Rod Serling envisioned which caused a myocardial infarction.
Ok, first they need money for the plans. Then for the building. Then for the furniture. Then for the utilities. And once it’s opened for business, you are forced to donate for all the other Idle Morgues that have not gone Ideal. When the wind is just right, you can hear his Dwarfness giggling in his 70 million dollar mansion. With his, what, $3,000 a week food allowance?
In the interest of following the money, where do the donations for the renos go? Do they go to private contractors? Do they go to church owned entities? Do they go to private businesses owned by senior management? Are there any kickbacks or inurements? They got free buildings and they got the money to refurbish them Why do I suspect that somebody is pocketing a huge percentage?
It goes to Gensler and construction companies and Sea Org “reserves.” No private businesses owned by senior management.
Mike, what’s Gensler, if you don’t mind?
Sorry, never mind, I just googled it! An architectural firm.
I agree completely.
Those people still falling for this have to be trying really hard to believe.
Let’s say COB’s strategy is correct. Let’s say all these new buildings rocket stats. Then eve if one didn’t care about clearing planet, it would still make FINANCIAL sense for the IAS to buy the building immediately.
Management makes A PERCENT of the income in Class V orgs. If income at the org rockets, Management’s income rockets. (this is rocket science I realize). Management (or the IAS) buying the org would make THE MOST SENSE even from a financial point of view if the hype about Ideal Orgs was in fact true.
And even if Management wasn’t happy about sinking their own capital into the building and just taking their normal % of the income from then on our they could just INCREASE the % they take from org’s that had to be purchased with IAS funds.
There’s plenty of solutions to the problem, IF the “problem” is not having enough money to buy the building. But of course that’s not the problem.
The PROBLEM — as COB sees it — is how to retain power of an organization that is poised to turn against him if the truth was revealed about the actual condition of that organization.
There is no demand for SCN services worldwide; the demand has been dwindling for decades. Not only can COB not figure out how to turn it around, but he doesn’t actually want to. He just wants to figure out how to hold onto his death-grip of the organization. He knows that if the super-kool-aiders who at least THINK of themselves as being super ON-POLICY knew that Scientology’s international delivery stats were actually DOWN…they would actually begin to wonder what the hell was going on.
Way too rational Alex. You will never reach your next status level thinking like that.
16 millions means nothing to Quinn , it is just a number to be reached. The reality of it , the hard work , headaches , success and failure of individuals doesn’t even enter his mind. That is sad.
I walk by Pasadena at least once a month and it is pitiful , but to Quinn” it is just a “done”.
I just do not like him very much but I have heard people say how wonderful and likable he is, so “cute”. Ridiculous.
I pretty much started at Valley and it hasn’t progressed in 30 years.
5years since the purchase, probably as much to completion. Miscavige is buying time , even if he is deluded enough to think it is going to work , he is buying time.
“I just do not like him very much”
+100.
Hey Maria, I grew up in Pasadena so I go up there to check out the activity quite often too. I’m easy to spot: I’m across the street pointing at the receptionist (with his head always down) laughing my ass off.
Yesterday I was researching for marketing phrases for my business and stumbled upon a few websites explaining Hypnotic Power Words, not to put somebody to sleep but to suggest and subliminal suggestion.
A few of the words were “you” and “we” to be used in sales copy, marketing, etc.
I counted in that promo piece by Quinn 14 “you” , 2 “your” and 14 “we”
I think this is interesting.
We agree with you and your analysis.
I feel all warm and fuzzy now.
You are a big being………..
You are the elite of the planet……………
You are so theta………….
I’m sure there are others
Is it too late for the Thursday Funnies? Cause the Crazy Train it keeps on a rollin’!
[I’ll leave it to you to make your incomperable comments, but I have to say
– “several one’s” – isn’t his wife a teacher?
– should Delphi really be hosting survivalists? Oh yeah, wife’s a teacher – there.
– Is there a more terrifying image than survivalist scientologists with crow bars????
Date: Thursday, August 14, 2014 11:35 AM
From: Mark Schlaich
To:
Subject: Urban Survival Group upcoming meeting and project
Hi All,
We are a go for our next meeting on Sunday August 24th, at 7 pm, at Delphi Academy.
At our last meeting we had discussed starting your “Bug-In/Out” bag.
There are several one’s you should mock up, one for your car, your spouse’s car, your home, etc.
This can be a simple knapsack with those items you want to have with you if you are miles from home and want to get home…
Remember, water, shoes to walk in, etc.
If you go on line to see what is there for “Bug-In/Out Bags” you will get inundated with data and items to have. After a while all these lists will start to look about the same, for you one item is important and another unimportant, so custom it to your wants.
A lot of what you start to create on this will be interchangeable with your home supplies stash and car bag.
Bring your bag with you to the meeting at Delphi coming up in 1-1/2 weeks, we can compare bags and contents and get some good ideas of what you want to have.
But as a drill, this will get you at least started down this road. Don’t worry about having everything or it being professionally-perfectly supplied.
You will see some good examples come Sunday night.
My bag in my truck is fairly large comprising of “anything” I might need and want. I have with it a smaller bag to edit down the bigger one if I want. I also have items (being a truck) to help others, first-aid supplies, tools, crow bar, etc.
Call or Email me with any questions or concerns.
See you August 24th.
ARC,
Mark
Aw shit. Sorry to have missed this one….
His bug bag seems like one of those Russian dolls, he even has smaller ones inside his bigger ones.
I wonder if he has a good supply of Way To Happiness booklets in his bug bag? Every good scientologist knows that this is what is needed in times of emergency. Just hand them out and calm will reign. In fact, he should just scrap the bug bag and get everyone to carry around bundles of WTH in case of emergency.
Yes, all you need for life is WTH in your hand or package or whoever .. but you have to have it
Must cost them a lot to print, so that’s why they have to charge for it, right?
Are they planning for the apocalypse?
Seems like it.
They are it.
zombie apocalypse to be precise
It’s a bankruptcy kit to survive on until you find your way home. You have to think complicated on this one. It may SEEM like an outpoint to try to find your way home to a home you don’t have anymore, but it isn’t really, because the folks are used to the circular “New Bridge” which has no destination and never arrives anywhere, either. See how that works?
Coop, you’re right! The ARE the apocalypse! They are the 4 horsemen. They are the Black Plague. They are EVIL incarnate.
I sense you are holding back OSD!
Davey needs new Italian shoes and his scotch cellar is getting empty. That’s where the 3 mill went.
Your analysis of the switch from selling courses and sharing whales is spot on. With a dwindling market for services {wait for GAT 3, now with proper usage of colons} and a shrinking core of Miscavage ‘loyalty tested’ whales left, the overseers are going to really have to whip the remaining members to get that stone on the pyramid.
He doesn’t wear cheap Italian shoes. His shoemaker of choice is the John Lobb bootmakers in St James Place London. They cost about $5000 a pair. He pops in when he there for the IAS Event in the UK. Must have caused withdrawal symptoms last year when the IAS event was held in the tent at Flag…. But they have lasts made of his feet so he can just send them in an order and only need show up for a final fitting.
Boy Mike, the way you describe him, this guy is just one big parasite living of the labor of others.
Well MJ, you may be slow, but you get there in the end 🙂 🙂 🙂
Yes Mike, you’ve definitely seen him in action much longer and up close and personal. Do you ever get the urge to punch him back? I would.
Of course. But the consequences of doing so would have been instant, dramatic and prolonged pain. So, I am trying to get in some sparring practice here….
Understood. I meant in present time, if he didn’t have all his goons protecting him and it was just you and him.
Nah, I think I would laugh at him. That would hit him where it hurts the most. His vanity.
Great answer!
Dave ‘The Plague’ Miscavige, a dose of him is like strychnine – a little goes a long way.
They cost about $5000 a pair .. is this the usual pay for a Sea Org member ..
The bigger question is who makes his golden thongs? And beyond that is who gets to clean them? They probably are forced to use a ‘soft’ toothbrush for the occasion!
Pardon me while I upchuck!
“COB” had a cognition
Are you quite sure about that, Mike? I thought Miscavige just sort of gravitates instinctively towards the smell of money—like slime-mould making for a patch of damp, or dry-rot infecting a wooden joist—no higher brain-functions involved.
COB is above “cognitions” – just as he is above auditing, training, the tone scale, and being a thetan.
If he would only get several light years above the earth so we’d be done with him.
Great, MJ. I think he should move to a “galaxy far, far away”. And while he’s at, to a time “long, long age.” Oops. I forgot. He already is a time long, long ago.
“What then congeals……” Quinn, are we talking about like bacon grease or what?
No, blood.
Eeeew. 🙂
Thanks, Mike! You read my mind…oooohhhh noooooo.
Oh, that’s ok…yours is just normal mind reading, not the ever awe inspiring OT mind reading tech about which I’ve heard so much. Thanks…I feel much better now!
Here’s the answer to the riddle of the disappearing $3 million. He’s saying that after the lesser rubes and Bart have given $3 million each, then there’s only $3.2 million left to go. But that makes this document no less astounding in its audacity. Quinn needs to put down the crack pipe and get into an honest line of work — like loan sharking or penny stock sales.
Mike, you have asked the most trenchant question — Why, if this building is so danged important, are they just getting plans done after owning it for 5 years?
Quinn’s ass is on the line.
Um, because the whole thing is just a giant, global scam? Nah! It just couldn’t be that simple. Ok, back to the drawing board.
To DM and the end of endless Int Mismanagement
Miscavige’s treason
Makes Mayo seem pleasing
With all of the fleecing
His church is decreasing
🙂
Greta
🙂
Regarding the resale value of the building. It seems that police and/or Intelligence agencies may be in the market for buildings that come with fully equipped interrogation (auditing) rooms. Hidden cameras and mics included and we’ll even throw in a free crude lie detector!
The scientologists could even pick up where LRH left off in 1970’s Morocco and train the security agents in the latest and greatest mind bending techniques. This is really a no brainer folks. The govt has been privatizing security/intelligence more and more lately. CoS could be the next Blackwater. At least it would be an honest living.
So that’s how you think.
The anti-Scn anti-Hubbard people would fit right in with the current Miscavige church: twist facts or make them up, thrown bigger lies, deny everything that isn’t convenient, and minimize as insignificant anyone who begs to differ.
Yeah, that just about covers it, except for one thing: We outnumber you, and you’re surrounded. Surrender, Dorothy!
I’m glad you are out of CoS Carcha and I wish you luck in your healing process. Hopefully, in time, you can honestly examine the tree from which the Miscavige apple fell. Peace
What makes you think Carcha is out? Posting here is no guarantee.
Well it does guarantee that she’s as crazy as the rest of us that post here! BOOGA BOOGA BOOGA BOO!! – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yGJGTjV2WE
Point well made!
So far the Valley has nothing for all money and intensive planning to where the water cooler should be placed. In way less time and MONEY the ORION space craft to send 6 astronauts to Mars has been built and tested as viable for deep space travel.
You would think the Valley a____holes could squirt out a few auditors or NOT,
forget arranging the furniture!!!! Nancy Cartwright pull your thumb out!!!
I don’t understand. If it is as simple as add water and mix, why has it taken 5 years and why isn’t the dough rock hard and inedible by now?
I am saddened that 88 families are still ruining themselves for this scam. What a waste.
I wonder what the overheads are to run a building of that size…
While I’m at it, how about a reality TV show called ‘Dave’s Slaves’ detailing the day to day goings on for staff and public. It would flip between the two camps so the audience is in the know. Could be executive produced by Nancy Cartwright if she ever makes her exit.
Her next gig will be the Voice of David the Dildo Miscarriage. Wonder if it will pay as well?
Even though Bart is shorter than Dave, it’s no contest.
Let’s make it sound more fun, MJ: Davy’s Slavies. They can included kids on the RPF among other things! Watch your child waste their life away working for a sociopath! It just doesn’t get any better!
It’s literally hard for me to imagine how anyone falls for this BS. In case they are a bit curious of the veracity of the claims made, they can simply take a quick ride over to Pasadena and see how many parishioners are availing themselves of that 25M investment.
It wasn’t long ago that I was in the church. I would’ve definitely taken that ride to see if new “ideal orgs” were really booming.
Amazing that they just have to come up with 3M and get matched by Bart, then “only” have 3.2M to go AFTER THAT.
Then, they get to help the other less fortunate orgs with millions and millions of dollars. This “strategy” has to be getting less popular by the second.
Keeping in mind, these “ideal org status upgrades” do not get you up the bridge, which isn’t exactly known for being cheap in itself.
One other piece of BS: in an ideal org the staff would be well paid. That simply is not going to happen. When I was on staff at Tampa in 2006 and 2007, one of the first “ideal orgs” – the pay sucked. Was lucky to get $100 in a week, usually got less.
Also – the BS about it takes an ideal org to deliver GAT II. I don’t much about the specifics of GAT II, but I can see most parishioners are redoing the purif and objectives. Also, studying basics. Don’t see where a 20M building is necessary for that.
I really think the church is losing the war by attrition and it is only a few years before any self-respecting individual would want to be so associated.
Don’t see where a 20M building is necessary for that .. that is what it is .. unnecessary .. you can do it alone and at home by yourself ..
That would be a daily activity for Dave!
Shel, does it really matter whether people bankrupt themselves donating to the empty buildings or buying their way up the bridge? Given that the majority opinion, even here on this blog, is that the bridge isn’t really a bridge, rather an expensive pier with an abrupt end over deep water, the end result is the same. Namely, they are just as bankrupt. I do not mean that facetiously.
If anything, the idle morgue scam is the most honest thing these crooks have done, just asking for money with no pretense of exchange.
Sheldon, you rich sucker! You actually got $100 for one week at times??? In Hawaii at the Honolulu mission, I made that ONCE. And many weeks, we would get yelled at by the ED for being a bunch of down stats! And then he would say, “Ok, how about no pay!” It didn’t matter if my Div 6 stats were up, or for that matter, if anyone else’s stats were up. If GI was low, we all became pieces of shit. I still shake my head recalling the crap I had to put up with.
One of the best pieces you’ve written. It’s so interesting how people will buy into the symbol as the thing itself. This is Hubbard’s definition of insanity “6. the best definition of which I know would be: the person widely believes that the symbols are the thing.” Words are symbols, symbolic representations of thought. The real thing is gaining understanding of life. That isn’t easy. Harder, is gaining understanding of how to implement one’s understanding, to move from theory into practice, try to share that, and actually live better – loved and admired and needed. Miscavige and his “entourage” seem to have not succeeded in the real thing. It’s all symbols to them.
Beautifully said, Carcha.
Thank you.
Mike,
There is so much devastating truth in what you have written here, about the utter fallacy and unworkability of the “Have, Do, Be” Ideal Orgs, about all the money that could/should have gone to auditor training and scholarships instead of buildings and mest, how Miscavige actually wants the buildings not to open because then the money drys up…I’ll tell you, even knowing what I know, being informed every day because of reading this blog, and before yours, Marty’s, even with my eyes, I like to think, completely open, the enormity of the con being perpetrated by this cult is a lot for even one such as myself to confront. I’m having trouble imagining the reactions of the still-ins when at some point they really get how they have been hugely lied to, hugely defrauded…I myself am resisting fully confronting it, because its just so very evil. There’s no other way I can say it.
Thank you again, Mike, for what you write and how you write it. Thank you so much for all you do.
Aquamarine, you said a mouth full. But your mainl adjective, EVIL, is the heart of this cult now. Pure evil. Not diluted. 100% grade A evil. The kind of evil people have trouble confronting.
Great post!
Thanks, OSD. And, I’m postulating that beach party, by the way. May I assume that I’m invited? What with my name, and all 🙂
My thoughts also, Aquamarine.
Oh, hell yes, Aquamarine! Of course! MaCarran needs to show up too! Imagine meeting all of our compatriots at my home! The weather being almost always perfect. Right now it’s 78 degrees under clear blue skies with a nice breeze off the ocean. Paradise…
Thank you Mike for putting into words what many of the members of Scientology have been thinking about for decades. What a scam.
I laughed particularly loudly at the Marianas Trench line, Mike.
Hey Dean! You think this may be the scam of the millennium? Or just the scam for the last few centuries? Either way this scam is beyond the pale.
That last paragraph is so confusing. Ironically I think it was intended to summarize and clarify. “Writing by catchphrase” is not the path to clarity.
First they can’t have crowds because no ideal Org. Now they have to have an ideal continent before they can have results? And all the while they could solve that problem by writing a check. I guess they don’t want to deprive the Org of all the fun and satisfaction of raising all that money themselves (again). How thoughtful!
Suggestion for Quinn to boost his stats: Use the paradigm of ‘Let’s Make A Deal’ game show and build events around the theme ‘Let’s Make Ideal’ with prizes and pretty girls. Free corn on the cob (as a nod to the great one) for all attendees.
They could advertise the event …..”we will find you something to suck on.”
Yo Dave,
How loud is that sucking noise you hear now?
Coop, you smooth talking, wonderful SP! I have dreamed what you posted about about having a HUGE CELEBRATION when it all falls apart! And…we can have it at my home here at the beach! Mike, Marty, Debbie and all the rest! I get chills just thinking about being around all of these incredible SPs! Coop, really, that would be my dream come true! What better place to have the ultimate SP party than the beach! I’ll provide the venue (as you know where I live) and you and a few other provide the cocktails! How’s that sound to you, pal? Meeting everyone who posts here would be unfucking believable! I must calm myself as my heart is pounding just thinking about it.
Hey Paul J! What do you think? MJ, you too. Edge too. And all the rest of you Suppressive People! Now I’m not going to be able to sleep tonight…
I’m all in good buddy! This is a major game on situation. We’ll get the party planned out and then all that is left is to turn off the orgs.
“Turn off the orgs, the party’s startin!” We need MJ to get some lyrics together so we can really rock the beach that night. I can be there with the goods in about 5 hrs so that should work.
What a kick in the ass this party is going to be! Shit, I’m already smiling and laughing and I haven’t even popped a beer. I think we may need a band………….
I”ll drink to that! A huge celebration party when the wall comes down… the wall called Scientology aka Scamology. The end is near.
This message is for anyone who reads this that is currently sitting on the fence. Quinn lays out in detail how making the valley org ideal will result in clearing the valley. The problem here is that this has never occurred in any ideal that has ever been built. The fact is that under the enormous financial burden to keep these monstrosities open the “ideal” orgs go nowhere. It’s time to WAKE UP!
More comforting to be asleep Paul.
Hey Paul J. I’m sorry but can I amend your comment? It’s time to WAKE THE FUCK UP!
As Obie-wan would have said, “Hmmmmm. The Kool-ade is strong in these creatures.”
OSD,
One of these days, not too far off in the future, we are going to have one big celebration. And when that day comes I want to be able to provide every EX cult member a drink of there choice and have a toast to the demise of a failed group. The scene from the movie Independence Day comes to mind.
And we will have Marty, Mike, Debbie and all those who have gone before them as well as ourselves to thank for it. Short Live the Cult!!!!
Yo Dave,
The day you no longer can control is approaching. Like I said last week, you have another yet to be defrocked apostate in your midst. Get on it bro…………..and by the way ……….kiss my ass!
Cooper and Old Surfer Dude. I’m there! It’ll be a great party. I’ll bring the beer. 🙂
Looks like it’s game on guys! I’ve got a keg of hard cider on order. I’ll also get some home made Brandy for a special toast to those running the blog sites!
Yo Dave,
We are ready to party with your demise good buddy. We know your are working hard to crash your stats but even that you are doing a poor job of these days. Cmon man, roll it up! we are ready!
…or C: Ideal Orgs are a way for miscavige to self-aggrandize and amass a personal real estate fortune. I say “personal” because he and he alone holds the purse-strings, doesn’t he?
Yep!
100k square feet? It will never open, unless like Clearwater, the city “makes” them open it. Super Power bldg has to be losing money now hand over fist.
Miscavige is operating off of his reserves portfolio. All else, the orgs’ activities (Dave’s endless contradictory & counterproductive barage of orders and programs) and staff, are window dressing. Once DM is removed from the scene (by whatever means or fate — the sooner the better, which is the best purpose of some blogs) the entire corporate Scientology network will, as Mike Rinder so aptly put it in a recent interview with Jeffrey Ausgutine, “dissappear up its own asshole.” Those who have made it out of the bubble will clean up the mess with legal claims against the then defunct ‘church.’
Sounds real good to me!
“Super Power bldg has to be losing money now had over fist.” Gosh, Gary, I certainly hope so!
I found the 3 million. Right there, he says it. After they shell out the three mil that bart will match, they’ll only have to squeeze another 3.2 mil out of the dessicated corpses.
Also, I think we need to be realistic about the book value of the real estate portfolio. Even granting that the purchase prices were not inflated (a shaky assumption), the millions spent on space plans, design fees and ultimate renovations will be sunk costs that will not add materially to the market value unless they are fortunate to find buyers who can use the unique configuration of the space. Most buyers would be looking at the structure itself and figuring how much its going to cost to remove all the scientology bullshit, maybe even factoring in the cost of an exorcism.
At best, my guess is the actual cash value of a typical idle morgue would be 75% of the original purchase price of the building. The rest of the money is simply gone. But a half dozen people can take solace in their big beingness.
This. If you add a nice looking fence or new appliances, flooring or counters to the kitchen and bathroom of your home, that might increase its value. I don’t see how a big scientology sign, or glass stained with scientology logos in a ‘chapel’, or all those individual auditing rooms will increase the value to anyone. But the church doesn’t care if the building is eventually sold at a loss.
“But the cult, ummm, I mean church doesn’t care of the building is eventually sold at a loss.” OF COURSE THEY DON’T!!! Because they didn’t pay for it to begin with! And who holds the mortgages to these colossal edifices to stupidity? His Dwarfness does. A scam of epic proportions is taking place right in front of their eyes and they can’t see it. Chilling…
And you can’t sell at a loss if you paid zero for it.
Quinn and co. ……….. all professional perps and crims selling snake oil. And no matter what you pay for that you are guaranteed a loss!
“…maybe even factoring in the cost of an exorcism.” 🙂
Not only will a buyer have to spend money de-scientoligizing the place (including exorcism,that was a good one – lol) they will have to pay for all the repairs needed as a result of neglect. As an example the “ideal org” building in Chicago has remained vacant for years accumulating building code violations. I can’t even imagine what it looks like on the inside……probably rat infested and falling apart.
Chee,
I thought you were talking about Gold. Word is out they have a problem with a rat out there.
Quinn, tldr.
Quinton is a joke. He is 2nd gen Scn and his mother is huge KA drinker who sells for IAS (oops I mean blood sucks for IAS). I was in Vegas when it was “the most important Ideal Org to get done anywhere any time…” Yet now we’re being told this one is “the most important one…” etc. And now that Vegas is Ideal, it is almost empty and I don’t know how they pay their light bill. Anyone in Vegas want to comment on this and give us the inside scoop?
Ludicrous. Totally ludicrous. At least they don’t have to worry about that pesky repayment policy if someone decides they want their money back.
Thanks for great reporting and insight into this whole terrible game.
My condolences to those souls when they finally awaken from their pipe dream.
Is that where you’re dreaming about smoking a pipe? Man, I can’t even tell you how many dreams like that I’ve had. Some were REALLY good!
I guess that is where the term ‘pipe dreams’ comes from. I want one of those too!