Here are some more outrageous claims about Super Power, including from the mega whale himself.
The most outrageous statement is in the third paragraph. And the scientologists wonder why people think they are “anti-doctors” and the church loudly proclaims this to be a lie. Meanwhile they promote this sort of nuttiness
Scientologists generally ARE “anti-doctor” (unless they are a wealthy doctor who can donate to the cause…)
SUPER POWER® PERCEPTIC DRILLS SUCCESSES
Level of Consciousness
This was an awesome experience! Through the process of communication via my sense channels I fully realized WHY theta has provided me the 57 perceptions. It is so I can orient myself, perceive my surroundings, my emotions, emotions of others. This is not possible just by “seeing or glancing at something.” I must get into comm via as many sense channels as possible. Then and as I do that my level of awareness, my quality of perception really changes for the better. I “know” more about what I am actually confronting. This is really a drill to live by. USE all my perceptions as needed. But no longer will I substitute “thinking” for real perception through examination via my perceptics as appropriate. Thanks.
– Bob Duggan
Awareness of Others
There is little if anything more moving to me spiritually than the awareness of others! Their beauty, their desire for good, their striving for freedom, their persistence to further life no matter what. Now we have the technology, the trained Sea Org, the Ideal Orgs and many, many public all aligned with a common purpose – clear the planet. All those that desire to be free, be free. Now from this point in time until that happens, and it is happening and it will happen, life will proceed to become more and more livable. This is true for several reasons, all of which are creations of LRH but delivered by the Sea Org. But a big reason is because Super Power (extraordinary ability to be) has now been unleashed. It is rolling into our spiritual DNA. We are now really and quickly more able to be able to make our postulates an everyday reality. Thanks! – Bob Duggan
Organic Sensation
Very cool! I realize that I can perceive far, far more than I had thought. Again – turning my body and its health over to doctors is just plain ridiculous! Additionally, I’m being much too “careful” of it! It is tough, strong, resilient and roaring to go! I can give it more use and far more motion than my current exercise is providing. Loved this one! I get it now!
– BR
Sound
This drill was great! I was able to increase my ability to differentiate between different sounds and heard sounds that I didn’t previously! I realized that my perception of sound is merely a matter of intention to hear! Thanks to my drill supervisor, COB and RTC for making this a reality and LRH for giving us this tech! – EP
Sight
I have always considered that I had and still have good sight. This drill has confirmed this idea and has disabused me of the idea that my sight will deteriorate the older I get. Thanks to my up-tone Drill Supervisor! – WB
Fields/Magnetic
That was very fantastic! It was very clearly apparent to me the presence of electrical and magnetic fields. In the beginning it was very weak and the more I worked with them the more sensitive to these fields I became and the more aware of them I was. It was also very apparent, their effects on the body. Magnetic fields produce a strong pull on the body I never would have noticed before. Nice! – JG
Physical Energy
It’s interesting to be aware of my body’s physical energy level and quite useful as well. I could perceive the cells replenishing the energy being used up. They got real busy during and slowly after the physical exertions, then went back to the former lower level of activity. The body is very mechanical indeed! – ZK
Rhythm
This was great. I got my rhythm back! Also my ability to differentiate speeds of rhythm got validated. All wins! These past several perceptics having to do with sound have rekindled an interest in music. Thanks! – JM
Super Power is waiting for you at Flag! I can help you get there. Please call me or write anytime for anything.
Love,
Sandy Dodwell
Flag Service Consultant
And here is another one proclaiming the virtues of “Flag.”
Taken at face value, simply reading the words on the page, it is absolutely crackers. A perfect demonstration of the glee of insanity that Jason Beghe describes so well in Going Clear.
But it is something a bit deeper that caught my attention.
IF these things were true, and people actually had “power and reach across all dynamics on an unimaginable scale” and their “native abilities” were returned for “handling thought and decisions,” and had “rocketed cause” and all “restraints and stops were blown” etc etc two things at least would come to pass:
1. If nothing changed in scientology, anyone who gained those increased perceptions would be INSTANTLY gone because they would SEE what is going on
2. Or, pplying all that cause and intention and power to scientology would result in the whole world getting on board, and scientology truly WOULD be rocketing, “straight up and vertical” with new milestones every 4 seconds and planetary clearing all but “Done Sir.”
Neither of those things are true, ergo the “wins” are not true either.
This is part of the trap of scientology. If you can convince someone that these ARE the “wins” they are achieving, they MUST buy into the concept that scientology IS expanding. Otherwise it would invalidate their “gains” and “abilities.” It is a symbiotic relationship between the people who are wanting to believe they have achieved superhuman powers (after all, they would like fools if they didn’t after all the money they spent) and David Miscavige who tells them their “superpowers” are resulting in “enormous milestones of unprecedented expansion.” It’s a model mutual masturbation society.
They ALL know they are ALL lying, but as long as nobody stands up and shouts “the Emperor has no clothes” they just carry on stroking themselves that they are “clearing the planet” and “this is the greatest time in the history of scientology.” And at the base of those lies are the false assertions “I am cause over life” and “I have no problems” and “I can create infinite energy and power.”
Truly, a created universe of delusion.
It’s been busy around here and unfortunately I’m just getting to this post, BUT, OMG Mike, where did you get that photo of my ex? Ewwwwwwwww….scary!
Not trying to make you go PTS or anything like that, Bobbo, old sport, but there a couple things you ought to know about what LRH said about those perception drills: the way the Perception Rd is audited is: a) the auditor assesses the list of percptics, the ones that read are handled with auditing (R3RA or recalls) and only the items that read are run on the drills. It appears that you are doing the COB version of Super Power, not the LRH version. More power to you in that case. As for there being 57 perceptics you must have missed LRH saying on a lecture (I think the Human Evaluation series) that he simply stopped at 57. He figured he had made up–er, discovered, enough at 57.
dankoon wrote:
“As for there being 57 perceptics you must have missed LRH saying on a lecture (I think the Human Evaluation series) that he simply stopped at 57. He figured he had made up–er, discovered, enough at 57.”
Uh-oh!
Trouble in paradise! 🙂
Alanzo
I have discovered from my own observations that a lot of the data within Scientology is not original. It is information that is pulled from other religions and some of it is from psychology. The main problem with Sciemtology is the management of it and how it is run. Some of it I’ve found useful but not much. The stuff I’ve found useful is the data on communication and stats technology. I’m still very much scarred about being discriminated by Scientology for being Gay.
Hi Cory Montoya, Good to meet you.I am so sorry that you were treated so badly by cos for being gay.In my experience that is one of the evil natures of the beast.After Sea Org I cannot take any positive viewpoint on cos, but that is my take.Quentin Hubbard was a true friend & gay & he ended up dead.Wherever he is now I wish him peace & happiness & the same wish for you.Take Care Ann B.
Indeed, aware of all these ‘perceptions’, right … But they forgot the perception of ‘delusions’ apparently. That’s the one perception that is not trained.
Scientology: the technology of delusions.
What leaps out for me, based on Mike’s argument, is that OT7 must actually work! I cogged on the level that scn was a crock of shit (mostly), which I assume is the valid EP. But in getting to that cog I had absolutely no wins that I can recall. My biggest win was that some guy I didn’t want to pay a bill to just vanished out of my life!!
Some never-in posted a comment yesterday which has stuck in my mind – that based on all the OTC minutes, scn sounds really boring. How true, if one peels away the delusion that being endlessly regged is fun. I often wonder why I still read and post on these blogs – it’s because they put the interest back into what was actually a deathly dull subject.
Brian’s comment above about Altitude Instruction really sums up the subject for me now.
It’s funny how you get your “rhythm” back here Of course in Scientology it means doing everything 3 times. If anyone needed some drilling on rhythm, it was LRH. Yea, right. A “rhythmic” sweep of the dial at a smooth even pace of the needle. When he came out with that one, boy did he open a can of worms there.
wow…. Literally stating ultimate scientology freedom&enlightenment is “not thinking” by using ones own mind or perceptions! Robotically go though life according to miscavages interpretations of LRH in every aspect of oneself ,thinking is for stupid people,not thinking will make you a Giant theta being! If you ever let thinking about or analyze $cientology in a healthy sane human analytical perception your PTS out ethics,maybe ever an sp. “Thinking”that’s tantamount to blasphemy in scientology. How can they not see this,it literally says don’t think!! Like hello!!!!!
I concur . I wrote OT VIII Delusion Fulfilled at Mockingbird’s Nest to describe exactly what you are talking about .
Since CoS is really all about marketing, promising great rewards, it’s amazing they can get away with it without any proof of results. If for example a “miracle weight loss” program is sold, the commercials will always show the successes, the happy skinny people who used the program. Where are the Scientology “success stories”? Where are the 85-year-olds with superpowers, perfect eyesight and hearing, perfect health, perfect mental function, where’s the proof? Brainwashing is very powerful stuff…
How do they reconcile this in their minds? Bob Duggan makes his money selling cancer drugs and other pharmaceuticals. According to Scientology, pharmaceutical companies are right there with “the psychs” in infamy for drugging everyone. According to doctrine pharmaceuticals are, at best, unnecessary because auditing cures everything. And yet Duggan is their biggest donor. But I guess that type of cognitive dissonance goes away when you find a substitute for “thinking”, right?
And Sandy, you found your rhythm again! How did they do that? Did they play Will Smith’s Gettin’ Jiggy Wit It’ for six hours straight and audit you right after?
I just shake my head at these people. All of them can easily identify where those real dollars come from. Second mortages. Maxed out credit cards and lines of credit. Depleted retirement savings or college funds. And I know there’s very real stress with going down those roads to come up with the money for services or statuses. But not a single one of them can demonstrate a single OT ability or clearing ability, much less “Super Powers”. When testing new drugs (Duggan again), they call this a placebo effect. A sugar pill. It’s vulgar, but the single best retort I’ve ever heard to anything Scientology claims it can do for someone remains Jason Beghe’s “Show me a motherfucking Clear”.
How do they reconcile this in their minds? Probably the same way politicians do when they need campaign $$, they don’t care where the money comes from as long as the money keeps coming in. Look at the controversy over donations to the Clinton foundation, even knowing that she planned to run for President, and their activities would be scrutinized, they took money from a whole lot of questionable, even corrupt people…money is addictive, and Miscavige always wants more, no matter the obvious hypocrisy of taking it from a guy like Duggan.
FOTF2012: “JG can now sense magnetic fields. There’s a win that could be scientifically tested, so how about proving it so the world might be convinced?”
There apparently is evidence already. The first part of this video talks about birds, fish and animals. and then at about 4:00 is some info about humans and magnetic fields. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JydjryhEl5o&feature=youtu.be
Quoted from below the video:
“Biologist Rupert Sheldrake speaks about morphic fields and Systemic Family Constellations. He explains how all social animals, including humans, are connected by fields of information that are shared by all members. A therapeutic application of morphic fields in humans is an experiential process called Systemic Family Constellations.”
Sheldrake is controversial.
He is stating hypotheses.
He has no science to base his hypothesis.
We also know that other species have other sensory organs that humanity.
I really wish there was an edit function.
What I want to state, is that other species such as birds or sharks can sense things that humanity can’t
Other species have vision in wavelengths that humanity doesn’t
Other species have sensory organs for magnetics fiefs, too
There is no evidence for human, or other species having telepathy.
There is no evidence for the “morphic theory,” either
“There is no evidence for human, or other species having telepathy.”
Eclipse-girl, it may surprise you to know – since many “scientific” circles deny it – that there’s a lot of evidence for telepathy. In the same article I quoted in my reply to you below, the author gives sources of evidence that ESP has been verified countless times. You can check those references for yourself.
“As to extrasensory perception, this phenomenon has been verified countless times in carefully controlled laboratory conditions. Such experiments are a matter of public record, and their significance has been confirmed by independent statisticians. Shermer [a critic of Sheldrake’s hypothesis] could read all about it in Dean Radin’s *The Conscious Universe* or Chris Carter’s *Parapsychology and the Skeptics*. Instead, he rejects it without investigation, as if all ‘psychic’ entanglement is simply impossible. If physicists had taken that approach with quantum entanglement, we’d have lost an opportunity to learn something about nature.” http://www.skepticalinvestigations.org/Debates/Dace_Anti-SheldrakePhenomenon.html
To educate others, please read the references below
Two other people found these references for me.
Thank you Mark Foster and Robert Hammond
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ruperts-resonance/
http://skepdic.com/morphicres.html
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/feb/04/morphic-paranormal-science-sheldrake
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-unpersuadables/
This is important to me, and people like Espiando because we were educated about the scientific method and experimentation. I fully admit to being a skeptic and an empiricist.
Thanks for the links to the articles, Eclipse-girl, I enjoyed reading them immensely. I know some people think adherence to empirical science preempts spirituality and as a staunch man of science I am NOT a mechanistic materialist (which is a fancy way of saying “atheist”). I recall the Dalai Lama saying that if science were to disprove his beliefs he would have to side with science. The last time I checked he was still devoted to his religion.
Good post, Roger.
Eclipse-girl: “I fully admit to being a skeptic and an empiricist.”
It’s wise to be skeptical but, as I imagine you know, any genuine scientist is both skeptical and open-minded. Unfortunately, that has not been the case with the leading critics of Rupert Sheldrake’s hypothesis. Here are some quotes from an article titled “The Anti-Sheldrake Phenomenon” (which, btw, includes a critique of that first article you posted a link to, the one at the Scientific American website, titled “Rupert’s Resonance” by Michael Shermer):
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“Whether or not ‘formative causation’ [Sheldrake’s hypothesis] turns out to be true, that it’s a scientific theory is a simple fact. By denying this fact, Maddox [the journalist who started the ‘anti-Sheldrake phenomenon’] sinned against science.”
[…]
“Once Maddox opened the gate, legions of ideologues felt free to launch their own misguided attacks. Somehow it seemed acceptable, even for non-scientists, to ridicule a distinguished scientist with the audacity to propose a testable theory of development from the egg. What unites these dogmatic reductionists is their delusion that they represent ‘scientific skepticism.’”
[…]
“Skepticism is in the eye of the beholder. Though Shermer [in a column for Scientific American, ‘Rupert’s Resonance’] is correct that doubt is the default position when it comes to unproven claims, he doesn’t realize that when he says people are routinely fooled by their sense of telepathy, this too is a claim that ought to engender skeptical inquiry. Has he tested this claim? Has he conducted trials showing that people easily gain a false sense of being stared at from behind? Then again, why bother putting your claim to the test when you already know you’re right?
“Not exactly a scientific approach.”
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http://www.skepticalinvestigations.org/Debates/Dace_Anti-SheldrakePhenomenon.html
@ Marildi,
I read your article.
I have no problem with faith. My definition of faith is the belief in something that can never be proved.
I stand by my statements, that Sheldrake’s hypotheses have not withstood scientific testing. As a result, it is reasonable to call it pseudo – science.
Eclipse-girl, I appreciate your open-mindedness in reading the article I quoted.
You commented: “My definition of faith is the belief in something that can never be proved.”
I think you’d agree that it would also be mere faith to believe that what is considered (at least thus far) to be “paranormal” can never be proved. And it seems to me that this belief exemplifies the faith of many of Sheldrake’s critics. Their minds are made up about anything that has not been proven – which itself is in violation of the scientific method since it demands open-mindedness. Such critics are forwarding dogma, regardless of the fact that it is a dogma widely held by many “scientists”. The very least we could say for Sheldrake is that he is trying to explain phemonema that science largely ignores.
You also wrote: “I stand by my statements, that Sheldrake’s hypotheses have not withstood scientific testing.”
In answer to the question “Do you have evidence for your hypotheses?” Sheldrake stated the following:
“Yes. For the hypothesis for morphic resonance, several other scientists and I have tested it in the realms of human and animal behaviour over the last 30 years. This evidence is summarised in the third edition of my book *A New Science of Life* (2009), called *Morphic Resonance* in the US, and I propose 10 new tests in the Appendix to this book….
“For my hypotheses about the extended mind and telepathy, much evidence is summarized in my papers on these subjects, and in my books *Dogs That Know When Their Owners Are Coming Home* and *The Sense of Being Stared At.” http://www.sheldrake.org/about-rupert-sheldrake/frequently-asked-questions
For you or anyone interested in reading Sheldrake’s papers on these subjects, there are links to them at the above site.
Further back and forth on this topic is a waste of time. Nobody’s mind is being changed on either side of this argument. Just in case the participants hadn’t noticed.
“Nobody’s mind is being changed on either side of this argument.”
Right you are, Mike. However, I don’t know if anyone was really trying to change someone else’s mind – rather, we each wanted to express our views. Thanks for giving us the opportunity to do so.
Sums up my feelings perfectly. Thanks Alanzo
Due to a quirk of nature this appeared beneath Miraldi rather than Alanzo. It was in response to Alanzos comment recommending Plato.
“I recall the Dalai Lama saying that if science were to disprove his beliefs he would have to side with science. The last time I checked he was still devoted to his religion.”
If the Dali Lama could ever prove his beliefs, scientists would be on his side. Last time I checked, he can not.
There isn’t any need to take such an unfriendly tone with me. When you talk about proof, you are referring to “empirical” proof. Empirical proof is for empirical objects of perception or empirical objects of inference. It is empirical because it exists in the shared reality we call “the outside world”.
Thoughts are not empirical objects. They are subjective objects and only the thinker of the thought can know the thought. I can’t prove to you what I’m thinking and I can’t prove to you that I feel tranquility.
The proof that specific knowledge will liberate a person from suffering, can only be known by the person who has been set free from suffering by that knowledge. How can I prove to you that there is a truth that when understood will liberate a person from unhappiness? I can’t, obviously, and the beauty of it is that I don’t have to in order to enjoy the benefits of it. Same goes for the Dalai Lama.
Roger,
I have no problem with theists.
I have an issue with pseudo science being taught as science, or thinking that that hypotheses are theories (in the scientific sense)
I also believe an atheist can have spiritual moments.
One of best evenings I ever had was watching a night sky on an island in Lake Titicaca and realizing how immense the cosmos is, and how insignificant I am.
Eclipse-girl, From a scientific standpoint, a theist and an atheist both have unscientific positions. Both are making position statements about something that cannot be as of yet tested, therefore neither position can be held with ANY scientific conviction. But only … faith.
See comment to Marildi
Science is limited to what can be tested.
But human experience encompasses much more than what can be tested.
Therefore, science can not possibly address most of what a human being experiences.
Anyone who looks to science – from the quantum-“woo” spiritualists to the Dawkins radical atheists – to provide a meaningful philosophy of life as a human being is waddling in a stagnant pond.
Since science is limited to what can be tested, then there is no conflict between science and belief, and never has been. It is our tribal nature which causes us to fight endlessly with the other side over this bullshit.
My heartfelt suggestion is to read Plato. He addressed all this fully 2500 years ago, better than anyone since.
You can create a meaningful life for yourself which fully embraces belief and science, and which stays healthy and productive and never fanatical, and which never threatens you with bankruptcy from too much credit card debt.
I swear.
Alanzo
Whatever happened with Key To Life and Life Orientation Course? Weren’t THEY supposed to “rocket” us to planetary clearing? I distinctly remember being told that these 2 courses completely solved all the reasons why orgs were not expanding fast enough for planetary clearing.
“no longer will I substitute “thinking” for real perception”
Yeah, I’m guessing good ol’ Bob isn’t in danger of substituting thinking for anything at this point.
I’m actually at a loss for words at the insane ravings in “SUPER POWER® PERCEPTIC DRILLS SUCCESSES” and “Flag Service Consultant”.
These “wins” sound like something that the inmates of the psych ward would be mumbling in “One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest”.
What a bunch of horseshit. Carry on DM, you batshit, crazy mother fucker.
Let’s hope Super Power makes all of Bob Duggan’s “perceptions” so amazing that he has a cognition of magnitude and leaves the cult.
All he really needs is a stable win on oiliness for him to dump Davey.
Aqua, although that is an interesting sentiment, I doubt it will happen for three reasons. Perhaps I am way off base (as I have been known to be), but here is my thinking (suppressive semicolons and all):
1. I feel as though perhaps Bob has been so damaged by now that it would take years of rehab to his “perceptions” to make him a functioning human being should he be brave enough to make a dramatic escape;
2. A whale of that magnitude would be harpooned and brought back to the ship gasping long before they would be allowed to escape; and
3. The skeletons in his closet should he escape would be enough to bring down his entire drug empire in one fell swoop, thus he is captive for life.
Hi Valerie, I agree with you. I do think he is captive for life unless he has an incredible monumental cognition that he has been used duped & exploited by Ron & David. However I just do not see that happening.He was way after my time,but I gather he has kids.What an example as a Dad he must be!Sigh.Always Ann B.
Well, this may seem a bit mean spirited, but any picture I’ve ever seen of Bob and Trish Duggan posing on one side of their statues in which their children and the statues themselves are so much larger than David Miscavige on the other side (he of course can’t be forced to touch even the wealthiest of donors these years) http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?35441-Bob-Duggan/page9 just makes me think how old and tired the two of them look even with all the stretching that plastic surgeon has done.
No wonder he’s throwing a hissy fit about Tony posting photos of him at his site these days. Bad PR for a Sooper Powerz completion to look so old and tired yet brag that he’s all invigorated.
I used to believe that I would live forever and actually be healthy if I did the right things in scientology. Now I read those success stories and just feel how hard everyone is trying to make it sound like they are coming up with something goood to say.
That carrot/stick thing has got to be really old even for someone like Bob Duggan by now.
Valerie, I also wonder if Bob Duggan would throw a hissy fit if his ‘Awareness of Others’ success story was posted on the internet too. Oops, it just was!
Hi Valerie, I do not feel your post is mean spirited at all.I looked at the photos on Tony’s & thought the same as you.My gosh in the SO I never ever saw a doctor or dentist in years.I was told to throw my glasses away when I joined because just being a SO member would give me perfect eyesight.I truely believed all that having ness I truely believed I was 100% super being healthy the whole time I was in.In my day all origination went through Qual & if at the end I didn’t feel well & said that you guessed it sec check time & I was out ethics because I felt even a little poorly.When I blew I was severely malnourished & every tooth in my mouth was rotten & my eyes had gotten worse.It has taken years to get my body to where it is now & then when the cancers kicked in well I’m the queen of hissy fits sometimes.In my case I see now that hypnotism is not someone on a stage doing parlor tricks.Ron built his fake religion on the fact that he was a genius who discovered a whole new concept & as I & all here know or perceive it can be deadly.Always Ann B.
Ann B, as a Sea Org member in the 70’s perhaps you remember as I do a time before the introduction of only rice and beans for downstat weeks.
We actually got fresh food on downstat weeks because all they could afford was fruits and veggies to feed us. Everyone at our table commented on how much better the food was on downstat weeks than other weeks, thus the introduction of rice and beans. (We should have known to keep our mouths shut).
Hi Valerie, Yes I think I do remember some fruits & veggies on down stat weeks but not on the Excalibur.We should of kept our mouths shut about many things.Thankfully those of us that could still salvage a shred of self respect & goodness & love saw behind the curtain & blew.Always Ann B.
“No longer will I substitute “thinking” for real perceptions”….Kinda says it all. Lol
I don’t believe anyone has ever had 57 perceptions. Do they really think Scientology public are gullible enough to believe in all 57?
Hi Beryl,Good to meet you.Yes I do think that any Scientologist is gullible to believe in all 57.If it’s in the tech it is truth.I was one of the very gullible SOers.I had to dehypnotize myself to get out.It has taken decades & I’m still working stuff out.Take Care Ann B
Thanks for the reply. Well, perhaps there really could be 57 perceptions. But even so, how much better would that be than the 5 senses? Oh well, super power might be beneficial but no doubt it is not worth the price.
Hi Beryl,Thank you for your post.I didn’t make my post that clear,no pun intended.I do not feel any cos service is worth any price.I was speaking to my time in the SO when all that Ron said & did was gospel to me.So if he wrote there are 57 perceptions I totally believed that.Then I blew & freed my spirit from prison.Take Care Ann B.
What , no oiliness ? What gives pepps
Thanks OSD. I’ve got pretty awesome SP powers anyway – that’s according to OSA & other Scio’s who flee in terror when they see me. Guess I turned out to be a good product after all. Haha. 🙂
Do you need the 57 perceptions to taste all 57 varieties of Heinz sauce?
spitting out coffee!!!
Hi Newcomer, My I Pad had a nervous breakdown over Bob Duggan. Meant drove the straight through cement. Ann B.
Mental masturbation at best, A total non-confront of life at worse. An inmate in the prison of belief.
Are you ever spot on Willie.
I thought masturbation, mental or otherwise was frowned upon very severely and punishable by Mr let him die if his flock ever engaged in such activities. I just couldn’t finish reading the above SSs, after about a third of it my stomach perceptions kicked in.
I actually know two (only on family vias now – they sort of disconnected from me, wonder why?) card carrying OT8s. I still shake my head in wonder when they confided to siblings that they honestly believed they could bypass old age and its problems with doing OT8. They are now broke, quite old, memory going and their bodies are falling apart (what is really sad is they cashed in their retirement and gave the $ to the RCS. I don’t care who you are, living with body pain and having no future except more pain with no relief sux). They also preach the evils of modern medicine quite often yet have had to secretly see doctors and take drugs to stay alive. It’s the most blatantly stupidest example of hypocrisy I have ever seen. They tow the party lie and then lie to themselves and others all the way to the doctor’s surgery. Jeckle & Hyde lifestyle.
DOH!
Hi IYawnalot, It is so sad to see what happens to people.When they are able with total belief & with deadly intent towards anyone who criticizes the fact that they are now so OT they can bypass old age & go secretly to doctors if at all.Ron had all kinds of cruel tricks & treats to keep the faithful hypnotized & handing over all their money year in & year out.Ron was the two faces of Jeckle & Hyde.I’m sure David & cos never wanted the details of his last months on earth to get out there.But there is nothing he & the most dedicated Scientologist hear me TC can do to stop the free flow of information.And TC have fun with your new 22 yr old wind up toy.She may love your money but will end up in a mess because of you the cos & David.The wind is blowing from a new direction & cos has completely lost it’s bearings.Hypocrisy in action what a clay demo that would be!XO Ann B.
looks like the more time ( and money) people spend on scientology the more they lose their mind
And you would be absolutely correct, XYX! You’ve got super powers and didn’t even know it!
Wow! An excellent and brilliant post, Roger! 100% accurate! And of course, the so called Personality Test is rigged to tell you just how fucked up you are! And if you are going through a rough patch in your life, you’ll be even more susceptible to the scam. Thank goodness for the internet and Going Clear! The documentary is ALL OVER Australia now!
“…two things at least would come to pass…”
Three things: The rubes wouldn’t be handing their money to organized crime crooks if they were “at cause” over criminals.
It’s interesting to see the views of Scientologists with regards to medical doctors. There are some who think that medical practice is ‘false data’ and who tries to handle everything with auditing, touch assists, refuses to take an advil or get a steroid injection when needed, etc. Then there’s the ‘hypochondriac’ who is constantly running to the doctor, is terrified of cancer, takes toxic loads of supplements, and is always on one strange, fad diet one after another. There’s mixing in between as well. Everything from the completely ambivalent “I’ll just pick up a new body” to “O.M.G., I gonna get sick!”
I would advise and always have, to get proper medical attention when you need it. Sometimes the body needs a little help and medication for an acute aliment can go a long way to easing pain and suffering, while allowing the body do its natural healing at the same time. Same goes for preventative screenings.
There’s a lot of stress in being a Scientologist too. I realized this when I got out of the orgs and quit going on course every day. I had stopped getting auditing earlier but stayed on the training route, thinking that everything would straighten itself out. Once I was fully done with getting into the org and on study, I realized how rushed and manic I actually was and had been living like that for a long time. It took me months to decompress and learn to live life at a ‘slower’ pace and mindfully. Life is very different for me now and I am much healthier than I ever was during my years in Scientology. Gone are the twice weekly migraine headaches and frequent respiratory illnesses. I rarely get sick anymore, even colds.
Hi Pepper, A really good post.I do all I can in partnership with my docs re: cancer etc.And I let my body go at it’s own pace.I do take Vit C every day & cranberry 500 mg but I certainly do not go faddish or overboard with vitamins or anything for that matter.A little of everything gives me a balance.So very different to SO nights & times.And I have not had a cold or cough in years.Something to be said for freedom on the outside.Love to you & your Mom.Ann B.
” But no longer will I substitute “thinking” for real perception through examination via my perceptics as appropriate. Thanks.
– Bob Duggan”
Yea, well you’re welcome ………… BOB. Whats up with the short and sweet little thanks thingy? No fawning and drooling over Citizen of the Bored or El Con for making you who you are …………………. BOB? I’m thinkin you had better step up your protocol. Remember ……… BOB……………….. you really owe all that you are to those who paved your road for you.
Yo OSA,
Might be time for a round of sec checking to be sure old BOB is properly tuned up to take his place in the line up of whales!
One more thing…..BOB , what do you think about disconnecting and fair game after your thorough examination via your perceptics ……… BOB?
Yo OSA,
How about a Bob, Tom, John and Dave show sometime soon. It would be nice to see the really big beings all together sitting on each others faces.
Hi Newcomer, Your posts hit all the nails on the head today.Drove them cement.Love it.Always Ann B.
“Gains received” is a list of some mighty dazzling promises but there’s a problem with all that. It requires you to see yourself as a person who needs to be fixed and whose life also needs to be fixed in a universe that needs to be fixed because EVERYTHING IS BROKEN except scientology.
Step one: get a free personality test in which a representative of the church can introduce you to the idea that you are fucked up but can become unfucked up with scientology.
Step two and forever: reinforce the belief you are fucked up but can become unfucked up with scientology.
What I’m saying is that scientology requires that you believe you’re damaged in some way and let me tell you something, you need only THINK you’re damaged in order to BE damaged!
And per the enlightened sages, yogis and zen masters past and present: the highest state of consciousness is nothing flashier than plain, ordinary peace of mind and you already have all the abilities necessary to achieve it if you’re a relatively decent person.
Great post, Roger. The church puts a lot of effort into convincing people they are broken pieces. This is fuelled by the belief that homo sap or the non-Scnist is unenlightened and is being run by his reactive mind.
So, why would they do this? Is it because they care deeply about the spiritual well-being of the individual? And the only way they can save their soul is to convince them they are broken?
Or, is it because there is a financial reward associated with this activity? If you do a thorough enough job of convincing the individual he is damaged, and that the solution to that newly found “problem” is Scn, then he will give you money.
Personally, I think it is a mixture of both. As a former reg, I truly cared about the person in front of me; and boy did I have conviction! I think many mission and org staff feel the same way. On the other hand, I do not think this is the goal or purpose of management. The management is purely based in statistics. The aim is to make money.
One could speculate that management takes advantage of the staff member’s conviction, and sees it as a tool to generate income.
The relentless push for more and more courses sold, intensives sold, requires staff to continually treat their public as broken pieces in order to extract more and more money from them. This explains why veteran public Scnists, Clears and OTs, are forever being “fixed” by Tech, Qual and the Ethics Section. An invitation to meet with any of these terminals usually results in some type of financial transaction.
From an organizational viewpoint, it is beneficial if your customer NEVER achieves the desired state, but firmly BELIEVES he can.
Duggan says “turning my body and its health over to doctors is just plain ridiculous!”
How can someone like this file a patent for a cancer cure in good faith?
Well, it wasn’t Duggan who said that. It’s someone with the initials of BR.
Hi Espiando.The initials BR might stand for Bad Reputation.I have really liked your posts recently.Thank you.Ann B.
Huh? Good faith? The Duggans??? Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Now that’s some funny shit…
Hi Mike, Good luck to you Mr Bob Duggan.All your millions & billions will not save you from your eternal linkage to Ron & now David.When your body & mind start to fail you & your ridiculous bs about doctors comes back to bite you with a vengeance, may all the departed souls who have died come into your ” so beautiful ” OT space & scream to your dark black heart & soul, their terrible anger for what was done in the name of cos SO OSA etc.All the ones young or old who died too soon because of cancer suicide or murder.You have fun on target2 with Ron & David.Meanwhile we who are in this space have more OTness & not Ron’s definition or levels of that,in our pinky fingers than you will ever have in & around your entire body.You are one person I do not feel one bit sorry for.I don’t give an f how much money you have,you have no soul. Love to all here.Ann B.
Scn is truly a product of the Marketing Age. Products are designed to feed the insecurities, hopes and dreams of its customers. “If I only had that new Corvette, the chicks will love me” is not much different than “A brilliant new view of life, unlimited reach and havingness or restore tremendous life and causativeness.”
Each promises to fulfill or rectify the customer’s idea of self.
And when it doesn’t, the customer doesn’t stop driving the Corvette, just like the Scnist doesn’t stop doing Scn. The major difference is the customer isn’t asked to by a new Corvette every year. In this respect Scn is thoroughly superior to conventional marketing.
Hubbard’s dirty trick was to convince people that their idea of real self was God-like and omniscient. And only through the application of his brand of snake oil would true self be realized. “Haven’t achieved it yet? Buy some more oil…better yet, buy a case.”
Hubbard’s pièce de résistance was to get his customers hooked on the snake oil. Always coming back for more, never wavering, total dedication to the consumption of snake oil.
I got my rhythm back.
Oh that’s really goodie.
So when one graduates this rundown are they now an SP graduate 🙂
I wonder if Duggan can “perceive” how dismally unhappy his unwanted foster son is here in South Africa? I heard from a mutual friend that the child is “a piece of work” (and that’s the PR version).
And as for Sandy Dodwell – can she now “perceive” people’s credit limits instead of illegally upping their credit with the bank and processing payments for services they never wanted/needed or agreed to (like she did to my mother for the KTL course – nearly crippling my parents financially in the process).
My perception is this is a load of hogwash. I think I’ll stick to my gut instinct, thanks.
Nice one Shelley! My olefactories tell me that Dave and his band of RBBs is stinking the place up like never before.
An RBB is a Really, Really, Really Big Being ……………… kind of on the order of Dave Let Em Die Miscarriage but slightly less that He is ………………of course.
Your perception is correct, shelly! See? You’ve got Super Powers without paying for it!
They are in the business of making people insane…
No doctors eh? How much of the public dole is used to fund their trips to the public health system?
Seems to me that they should cease using the public funds for their trips to the crazy doctors that may help them.
Maybe they could just get good ol’ Bob to cover their “health care” and he could approve/disapprove all CSW’s for medical needs. I’m assuming vision and dental plans would be included in “medical” they don’t or won’t need once they get to the Super Power level.
Heck: why not force ALL of the staff and sea org members to this level??? That might help their workforce never get sick and they could extend the time they spend on post working an hour or two!
What a crock.
+1. Nice post Toot!
None of the above involves worship of a higher being, preaching humility, forgiveness, loving thy neighbor, etc., all of which most people associate with religion. This is workshop material for gazing at your navel to find meaning in life. Why is this tax-exempt? Furthermore, none of these objectives are measurable. It is such utter BS. I don’t know how they put this out there with a straight face.
Your comment reminded me of watching a talk show many, many years ago, it might have been Phil Donahue (?), the guests were Scientologists, talking about the “church”, and when one of them was asked, if it’s a church, what do you worship, he responded, “we worship ourselves”!!! Much derisive laughter followed from the audience…
None of Bob Duggan’s newly found 57 perceptions include a BS detector obviously. Now that would be a rundown. “Wow – I woke up and realized my Church only loves me for my money!”
The most perceptive people on the planet can’t perceive they are being ripped off.
But I’m sure he got his Mojo back 🙂
Martin – so true! 🙂
“There is little if anything more moving to me spiritually than the awareness of others! Their beauty, their desire for good, their striving for freedom, their persistence to further life no matter what.” And that’s what makes you such a great Dad, Bob.
Graham your comment made me laugh out loud, Thanks for brightening my day.
The father of the year award on the mantel in South Africa where Bob Duggan warehouses his problem children vouches for his greatness as a father. I’m sure he has great movements of some type or another when other people become aware of such things, but this is a family blog so we will leave it at that.
I don’t know about anybody else, but I consult with a dietician, and he recommends I drink lots of Kool-Aid. I followed his advice, upping my intake to three gallons a day. It was difficult, at first, but after two or three weeks on a Kool-Aid Diet, I feel GREAT!
Really, I think if someone puts their attention on an ability of theirs, they could improve it, but that really beggars the point Mike makes that if the broad spectrum of abilities referred to really was increased, these people would see the major points they are missing – like their families and friends and associates, and what their lives mean. Increased abilities to do WHAT exactly?
Ummmmm…to scam clams out of every dollar they have? Hey, I took a shot.
“I must get into comm via as many sense channels as possible. Then and as I do that my level of awareness, my quality of perception really changes for the better. I “know” more about what I am actually confronting…There is little if anything more moving to me spiritually than the awareness of others…”
So, Bob, how does this apply to the three children of yours that you abandoned to the tender mercies of South African Scilons? Or was that before you got your special treatment at Flag, and now you’ve changed? Did your harpy wife Trish go along with you to Clown College for her dollop of Flaggotry, and did her quality of perception change for the better? And how are the kids, Bob? Did you ever find out if your little hellion removed Robin Hogarth’s liver through his navel yet?
You two really need to thank Xenu for the existence of Grant and Elena Cardone. As long as they’re around, you aren’t the biggest flaming bags of shit in this cult.
Sir, you besmirch the good name of flaming bags of shit. When dried, shit fertilizes the garden and gives us nice smelling flowers, the Duggans just give us reasons to up the tax rate on billionaires.
“I got my rhythm back! ” All I can think of this statement is Steve Martins character in ‘The Jerk’. I really want to see Bob Duggan on Dancing With the Stars, and see how his rhythm really works.
Your Cardone comparison is all too correct. I have to wonder if they send their children to an Applied Scholastics school? If so, they will be too stupid to survive in the real world.
One of my children graduated from an Applied Scholastics school and she matriculated to university. She told me that she felt completely unprepared and undereducated when she started college and realized just how better educated her fellow students were. Strange because she was always told in her Scientology school how much better her education was than that of anyone else. She was drilled into thinking that kids who go to public school are made stupid.
The college experience was a big wake up call for her and she snapped to.
Nice post, Espiando! I like the way you tell it like it is. BUT, I do side with zemooo on this one. You do besmirch the good name of Flaming Bags of Shit everywhere! Nothing can be as bad the FLAMING BAGS OF SHIT that are the Duggans and the Cardones. I’m sure they’ll have statutes made in their likeness. That way the pigeons can shit all over them…
“I got rhythm” … and you had to pay how many Gs for that? You coulda just watched some hip hop vids on youtube for free.
Hey!! You’re right! I got my rhythm back watching some really theta Chill E B music on youtube while doing some research for a cartoon.
Hi Regraded Being,Love this thank you Always Ann B.And I had a dream the other night that all my fake letters from Ron were hermetically sealed in a stone fortress that suddenly blew up & I have no regrets about it either! Always Ann B.
I am confused. “turning my body and its health over to doctors is just plain ridiculous!”
This from the person who became a billionaire with a protrotype cancer drug?
The person who wrote that success is ‘B.R.’
You would be right though, that if Bob Duggan wrote that, it would be the epitome of hypocrisy.
My apologies preemptively then to the anonymous billionaire.
🙂 Hope he continues to do well with the organic sensation and staying away from those ridiculous doctors too!
I wonder if some of these Super Power completions where forced to redo the New Student Hat, even though they had attained the gains of: Able to absorb knowledge and study anything.
But I guess they did miss the ability to perceive a fraud and to be able to generate their energy and flow straight out of the building, blowing all facsimiles and ridges on their way to freedom.
mnor, of course they had to redo the Student Hat! This is ring-around-the-rosey. They’re all being RECYCLED into purif, Student Hat & SRD because the psychotic dwarf says they have to! OTs find themselves at the bottom of the “bridge” once again! The Kool-Aid is very strong in these people…
That sums it all up: the delusion of insanity.
That document with the “one question survey” reminds me of the part of my career when I was writing marketing materials for dotcom software companies. Each offering has 5 or 6 bullet points of value/benefit proposition, and they all came from one grab-bag of benefits that is less than number of offerings times 5. This means trying to re-word the same things just enough to cover up the obvious repetition. It also reminds me of my own experience in an LGAT cult (in this case, non-totalitarian and much less destructive than Scientology) where the trained mantra is a simple re-wording and creative presentation of same small bucket of nonsense in as many ways as you can imagine.
as i’ve said many times, if scientology actually delivered what it promises, the whole world would beat a path to the nearest org. the way people buy smartphones is how they would buy scientology. there’d be no reason not to.
My wife and I attested to Galaxy (n)OT(e)-IV over the weekend…the larger screen gives us a brilliant new view of life, while the stylus gives us the freedom to create. The hands free option has separated our body and case. Verizon’s 4G coverage lets us absorb knowledge and study anything.
Wasn’t there a minor hack science fiction writer who once said, “If you want to make a lot of money, create a better cell phone.”
LMAO whostolemycog
Word…
Hi whostolemycog,Good to meet you.I might add to your post make sure that cell phone is charged up when one gets on the asbestos Morgue to escape this prison Planet.And make sure there are plenty of copies of the hack science friction writers genius works according to the great author himself!Take Care Ann B.
This is the Scientology mind fuck of the mixture of truth and imagination.
These wins sound fine. What is wrong with becoming more aware of our channels of perception?
Becoming more aware of anything is a benefit and a learning. Sounds good to me.
What makes Scientology a dangerous philosophy is that it mixes healing practices with utter craziness based on Ron’s delusional pathological profile.
These same people who are enjoying becoming more aware of their own capacity to cognize the world through various body perception channels are also saying that their thoughts are space aliens. This is the problem.
This makes being critical of Scientology almost impossible.
When critics make a judgement that something is wrong or even evil with Scientology, Scientologists can easily invoke within their mind the many many wins they had to counter the criticism. And then the Scientologist reasons:
“I have had many wins. This critic must hate people who have wins and therfore Ron is right, they must be an SP.”
This is the cognitive dissonance that makes it almost impossible to reason with “true believers.”
With every criticism made there is an endless list of benefits to counter “religious bigots.”
Scientology has saved lives and destroyed them. This dichotomous nature is Ron’s nature.
WHAT IS GREATNESS vs DESTROY THEM UTTERLY
When a human mind can accept these two polar opposite contradictions without questioning the obvious illogic that they assert, you have a “true believers”
And when it is considered an evil to question Ron, an evil on par with being a Hitler, you have a thought controlled, brainwashed follower who considers all criticism, true or not true………………suppressive.
There is a universe of difference between “I learned about my own perception channels and all Psyches are from the planet Farsec.
The challenge is sorting out Ron’s insanity from Ron’s humanity.
I concur completely. Anyone can get in touch with their innate talents and abilities, increase perception and cognition, simply by putting applied focus on them in order to develop them. Many do this with meditation techniques – but I’ll bet scientologists NEVER use the word meditation – it would take all the glory away from L Ron. Also – when normal everyday human beings are happily developing their abilities through increased focus exercises, they’re just happy they’re getting results. You don’t see them broadcasting to the world how super human they’re becoming!!
Agreed Alice. Scientology’s approach to marketing their techniques is like a cheap infomercial at 3 in the morning, with overhyped testimony with absolute convictions.
Hmmmmm. That was quick. Didn’t find much ‘humanity’ goin on! Lots of PR about it though. I hate lies in PR.
Ha ha Newcomer. I appreciate your sentiment but even Ron had a good side.
Yet when a spouse is trying to handle a seriously abusive husband, learning about his good side is not the next step. So I get you 🙂
Your insightful observations explain why, in service to my objective to undermine the grip of scientology indoctrination, I take every opportunity to point out the logical absurdity of almost EVERYTHING Hubbard ever said. I usually start off proving logically that ARC are NOT the components of understanding.
People are entranced by their belief that he knew stuff nobody else ever knew before and that belief in his great knowledge is relatively easy to take out.
Also I point out that feeling good is natural and so is feeling GREAT but not everybody interprets those happy moods as indications something has been fixed and a permanent change for the better has occurred as in “case gain”.
Hey Roger,
You said, “People are entranced by their belief that he knew stuff nobody else ever knew before……………….. ”
Indeed, Ron knew what he was doing. He knew the science of mind manipulation. In this below writing he tells us how he did it:
ALTITUDE INSTRUCTION
“In altitude teaching, somebody is a ‘great authority.’ He is probably teaching some subject that is far more complex than it should be. He has become defensive down through the years, and this is a sort of protective coating that he puts up, along with the idea that the subject will always be a little better known by him than by anybody else and that there are things to know in this subject which he really wouldn’t let anybody else in on. This is altitude instruction … It keeps people in a state of confusion, and when their minds are slightly confused they are in a hypnotic trance. Anytime anybody gets enough altitude he can be called a hypnotic operator, and what he says will act as hypnotic suggestion. Hypnotism is a difference in levels of altitude. There are ways to create and lower the altitude of the subject, but if the operator can heighten his own altitude with regard to the subject the same way, he doesn’t have to put the subject to sleep. What he says will still react as hypnotic suggestion.” (Hubbard, Research & Discovery, volume 4, p.324)12
Thanks for the quote, Brian. “Altitude Instruction” has got to be one of Hubbard’s premier Freudian slips. He thinks he’s referring to other teachers who hypnotically* ensnare people via overly complicated or overly abstract language then dangling an elusive understanding before their glazed eyes…when in truth he’s referring to himself. Implicit is the assumption that since he’s busting others for “altitude instruction” he cannot himself, be guilty of doing it.
“Space is a viewpoint of dimension”. (abstract language hints at a vast but unspoken deeper knowledge but in truth it’s gibberish)
His “altitude instruction” only refers to people people who are teaching their own made-up malarky. Not to people who are teaching subjects in which there are other authorities. If the teacher doesn’t make sense on a particular subject then the student will find a teacher who does make sense. If he is “defensive down through the years” it’s because he has been contradicted and found himself unable to answer back with knowledge.
*I don’t think anything is intrinsically “hypnotic”. There are people in welcoming/accepting mode of perception vs analytical/inquisitive mode of perception.
Best bet just throw it all away. All the good stuff Ron stole anyway.
Hi Roger, Thank you you make things clear as opposed to Ron’s use & I might add controlling use of that word! Always Ann B.
Scientology has always had a carnival barker showiness with the “Step right up…Hurry…Hurry…see the magical powers behind the curtain” feel, but you had to have plenty of dough and be willing to check your brain at the door.
Mr. Duggan and his compatriots like Cardone now proudly own a piece of blue sky…how fitting. I’ll bet Miscaviage just like LRH has a hard time keeping a straight faceat the utter absurdity of it all.
Love the way you worded that:
“Mr. Duggan and his compatriots like Cardone now proudly own a piece of blue sky…”
“2. Or, pplying all that cause and intention”
Needs moar A
So … JG can now sense magnetic fields. There’s a win that could be scientifically tested, so how about proving it so the world might be convinced? (Some animals do have metallic substances in their ears in “otoliths” that appear to aid in navigation using Earth’s magnetic fields; so the idea of perception of magnetic fields is not completely far-fetched — especially if JG is a bird or a fish.)
And it is amazing — JM really did get back rhythm! It got captured in the first part of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k23ynqcwiuk
And at the base of those lies are the false assertions “I am cause over life” and “I have no problems” and “I can create infinite energy and power.”
I am all day cause over life .. if I would not do .. I would die ..
“I got my rhythm back”
Wow, now he can dance again. Thanks scientology.
I wonder what PTS or SP caused them to lose it in the first place…but it would be their own fault if they lost any how right?
I’m just being silly with my response, but I had the same thought when I read that. Along with – what a win! And I wonder if that “Super Power” was cheaper than a few dance lessons?
Then again, if their rhythm was lost. Perhaps simply posting a couple signs on the corner with reward offered for my lost rhythm would’ve been cheaper still.
Guess marketing is a career path I should avoid.
P.S. I’d rather fly if if super powers were for sale. Rhythm wouldn’t even hit my SP top 500. Different strokes I guess.
Me I’d want to teleport.
Can you imagine the time and money saved ? And I could just plop myself in India whenever I want hot samosas, or in San Francisco to play with my nieces and nephews.
Rhythym ? Meh.
I have 64X more power to understand that this organization is a complete scam that enslaves people, destroys families and, through, Operation Snow White, showed that they are not only a vicious cult, they are an anti-American vicious cult.
I’d like to thank myself for waking the fuck up back in ’82 (applause).
Word…
Clapping happening here….. 🙂
Hi OSD,Much clapping whooping & jumping up & down with a dash of The Moody Blues followed by Mr Jimi & my dear Likki of The Incredible String Band for good measure.We love you Ann & Walter bless his Scottish Heart Watson.XO me.
What about delusional disorder enhancement? Seems like that is all this is doing… This is a tragic comedy how people can believe this fairy tale of human superpowers….