This is a classic example of the over-the-top insanity that is born and nurtured inside the bubble.
If this woman said “I am feeling better and more able to confront life” everyone (myself included) would simply wish her well. There may still be some who think she is crazy for announcing any “wins” from scientology, but generally normal people would be happy for her to be finding herself in a better place in life.
But to assert nutty stuff like she does is only proof that she is simply pandering to the captive audience who all know what she is doing and nod their heads in agreement, not because they believe her, but because they do the same thing.
This woman who can feel bacteria on her skin also feels phantom spiders in her hair? Her “wins” are inconsistent one sentence to the next. And she tries SO hard that she claims that she “thoroughly wordcleared” the Study Tapes 3 times and only now she realizes she didnt have a clue what it was about. Would love to see her glowing, over-the-top success stories from the previous 3 times she did it….
This sort of thing invites criticism, if not outright derision. It’s like some of the categorical statements made about the State of Clear or OT’s moving objects with their minds. IF what she says is true, then it is provable in the real world, outside of her mind. Someone could put ecoli on one arm and not the other and she should be able to tell. But, of course, this is ridiculous, she doesn’t even know if spiders are crawling in her hair. So, rather than making anything she did sound useful or helpful, she makes it sound like it drove her nuts.
To everyone except the bubbledwellers who all “validate her win” and pretend it is perfectly normal. Because this is what is expected in the culture of insanity.
If this is “NEW” Homo Novis then I will stick to the old homo novis or maybe just good old homo.
Earth to Rena. Earth to Rena. Come in.
Sorry one correction.
You asked:
“But frankly, why do you care? What difference does it make if someone thinks there is life on Mars?”
We’re not talking about just believing in life on Mars. Like bacteria in the surface ice or something.
We’re talking about an installation built by an alien civilization that is presently running 24/7 with live aliens in hot papa suits removing the memories of streams of earthling thetans who “report back” there when they die so that they pick up a new body on Earth with false memories of their previous lives.
It’s the prison installation that Planet Earth is part of, remember?
This is not just a belief in “life on Mars”, Mike.
Very different.
That’s what we are talking about. Let’s keep that as the specific LRH claim we are discussing.
OK?
Alanzo
Alonzo. You missed the point to argue about something that is a waste of time. The specifics of beliefs don’t matter. I was trying to point out to u that it is actions that matter. You and Miraldi should take this up between you in private as you are wasting eyeball time for everyone else at this point.
Yes , Mike, they should take it outside. Thanks.
Al, in reply to your comment above ( June 11, 2014 at 10:01 am ) – those are official NASA photos. The video I posted the link to also appears on Courtney (not “Corey”) Brown’s website http://www.farsight.org/demo/Mysteries/Mysteries_1/Mysteries_Project_1.html
There, he states the following:
“The original discovery of the image anomaly on Mars that is the focus of this project was made by Patrick Skipper and published on his web site http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com.”
The specific page n the above website that shows the NASA images and their official reference numbers is here: http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2001/029/huge_nozzle.htm ”
So again, the bottom line is that those photographs do exist – and that the perceptions of several proven remote viewers were in agreement as to further information regarding them.
To repeat, even though science can’t explain how remote viewing works, experiments using their own scientific protocol has shown that it does work – which is why even conservative groups like government agencies and police departments utilize their abilities.
Also, Al, I know you love to mock people, but it makes you look bad. In fact, it makes you look fat….headed. 😛
There is an interesting quality to logic and how the human mind uses it.
Logic is used by the mind like a ladder, with one step leading to the next step, and the next, etc.
If one of the steps in the ladder of logic is false, the rest of the steps after that can lead to the wildest conclusions.
For instance:
1. All men are tall.
2. David Miscavige is a man
3. Therefore, David Miscavige is tall.
This is why it is important to question and to test the beliefs you have which act as steps in your ladder of reasoning, and which lead you to the conclusions and beliefs you hold.
The first step in accepting the Scientology worldview was presented in DMSMH: In its native state, the human mind is perfect.
The next step was: The reason our human minds are not perfect is because we have a reactive mind.
Therefore: if we erase our reactive minds, or human minds will be perfect again.
This step ladder led LRH to believing in implant stations on Mars and psychs from the planet Farsec.
If we rely on evidence to support the steps in the ladders of reasoning that we use, then we are less likely to end up on Mars.
A person can certainly believe whatever he chooses. But sooner or later, all Scientologists learn that beliefs that bankrupt you, or which end up destroying your family, or enslaving you in a fake Navy for the rest of your life, are not worth it.
Evidence.
Learn to evaluate it, and use it to support your reasoning.
Alanzo
Alanzo, the problem is that logic and belief are fairly mutually exclusive. There is a lot outside the realm of the currently known physical sciences (though quantum physics is encroaching into that zone). You make the point that people can believe whatever they wish. So, why keep trying to convince people that they should NOT believe things. That they are illogical doesnt mean anything to someone that believes. It’s like trying to convince a fundamentalist Christian the world was not made in 6 days 6000 years ago. But there is more basis for the belief in DIanetics and Scientology as people do experience things subjectively — engrams for example. Fundamentalist Christians cannot claim they experienced the world being created in 6 days, that is PURE faith. But there is subjective personal experience to support faith in Dianetics and Scientology. So, your efforts fall on deaf ears. But frankly, why do you care? WHat difference does it make if someone thinks there is life on Mars? What matters is what they DO.
WHy not forget trying to change people’s beliefs and focus on changing actions.
Those affect others, by definition, and ACTIONS are susceptible to logical analysis, unlike beliefs and thoughts.
I think you would have more success.
Mike wrote:
“Alanzo, the problem is that logic and belief are fairly mutually exclusive. There is a lot outside the realm of the currently known physical sciences (though quantum physics is encroaching into that zone). You make the point that people can believe whatever they wish. So, why keep trying to convince people that they should NOT believe things. That they are illogical doesnt mean anything to someone that believes. It’s like trying to convince a fundamentalist Christian the world was not made in 6 days 6000 years ago.”
Great comment, Mike.
Faith was never part of the deal when we were being recruited into Scientology, remember?
Dianetics was a science, thoroughly tested on the order of the physical sciences, and Scientology was science applied to the spirit. Faith was not ever something we needed to have as Scientologists.
Most Scientologists will tell you that they do not believe in Scientology, they KNOW.
Therefore, logic should be able to be applied to Scientology by a Scientologist.
The funny thing is that, when logic and critical thinking are applied to Scientology, it falls apart.
“But there is more basis for the belief in DIanetics and Scientology as people do experience things subjectively — engrams for example. Fundamentalist Christians cannot claim they experienced the world being created in 6 days, that is PURE faith. But there is subjective personal experience to support faith in Dianetics and Scientology. So, your efforts fall on deaf ears.”
Actually, not many deaf ears at all. Over the years there have been countless Scientologists who, once they began examining the thought processes and the logic and decision-making they used to get themselves into Scientology, all realized that had they known then what they know today, they would have NEVER made the decisions they made to get their minds so entrenched in Scientology.
They realize that the information they were given to make decisions with to get more involved in Scn was either completely false, or was totally misleading.
Most Scientologists were tricked into becoming Scientologists, never having intended for any of this to have ended up like it has.
“But frankly, why do you care? What difference does it make if someone thinks there is life on Mars?”
I don’t know any Scientologists who signed up to be that stupid. All the Scientologists I know signed up to be able to use REASON and the CONTEMPLATION of OPTIMUM SURVIVAL.
Didn’t you?
What matters is what they DO.
WHy not forget trying to change people’s beliefs and focus on changing actions.
Those affect others, by definition, and ACTIONS are susceptible to logical analysis, unlike beliefs and thoughts.
This is interesting, Mike. I’ve never looked at it this way.
How are ACTIONS susceptible to logical analysis, yet beliefs and thoughts are not?
It is my understanding that beliefs and thoughts cause actions, and that logical skills applied to beliefs and thoughts cause sustainable actions based on good decision making.
Please explain more about what you are saying. I’m interested in understanding more about your thoughts here.
How do you change peoples’ actions without changing their beliefs and thoughts?
Alanzo
Not going to engage in this debate. Dont have the time nor inclination. But just so you know, the bible is ALSO presented as literal truth to many Christians. Organized religion has a pretty poor track record through history.
Unreality breeds unreality.
To Friend. HI! Welcome here. We do read your posts and thank you for being here. The post about objectives – well some of it was real for me. I think you should just keep talkin and NEVER shut up!
+1 – I’m with you, Cece.
Also, Friend, I’ve seen foreign language posters improve their English tremendously as they practice it in posting.
But to assert nutty stuff like she does is only proof that she is simply pandering to the captive audience who all know what she is doing and nod their heads in agreement, not because they believe her, but because they do the same thing.
Mike –
This is an interesting viewpoint on what you believe that Scientologists were doing when they are made to stand up and give their wins to each other in Scientology.
I’ve heard stories that David Miscavige used to have meetings with Int Base personnel and go through John Travolta’s and Tom Cruise’s folders and laugh at the things that they confessed to in their auditing sessions.
Did Int Base personnel ever laugh at Scientologists for their “delusional” wins?
Alanzo
No
Thanks for reference Greta. I guess the affinity in that case would be too low to be in good enough comm with the environment.
This is what I like about you, Marildi.
Most people who defend Hubbard run for the hills as soon as any little question is asked. But not you. You stand and deliver.
It’s why I respect you so much.
You wrote:
“I disagree that LRH’s claims are all evidence free.”
I never said they were all evidence-free. I said that the claim about a between lives implant station was evidence-free. Since you immediately resorted to a straw man argument, I guess that means you agree with me on that one.
One more notch for my holster!
“There are many pc’s who have run incidents he talked about – and in some cases, they hadn’t even heard about the incidents before running them.
Well we can eliminate the ones where they had heard about them before running them. You’re read the literature on False Memory Syndrome, right?
Here’s one on creating false memories:
http://faculty.washington.edu/eloftus/Articles/sciam.htm
“One was a girl on the L’s who had not done OT III and had never heard the name “Xenu”; yet, that was the incident she ran and the name she told her auditor. Later, when she did OT III, the incident what came up on the L’s was verified for her.”
OK. So let’s assume this is a true story, and that we are going to use this as evidence which supports Hubbard’s claim that the OT III story really happened.
Evaluating the quality of evidence is an important critical thinking skill.
What is the level of quality of this evidence? In how many cases does this NOT occur? Take a look at your sample size there and compare it to the times when no one ever came up with the OT III story. Wouldn’t that matter, too?
In other areas, I’ve seen you become extremely skeptical about the quality of evidence presented to you. But when it comes to validating L Ron Hubbard’s claims, you seem to lower your standards of evidence.
You certainly would not accept this level of quality of evidence from me if I offered it to you in support of some claim made by a psychiatrist about brainwashing techniques in Scientology.
Why do you so readily accept this level of quality of evidence to validate Hubbard’s claims? (When there is ANY evidence to be had, that is)
Alanzo
Al, you are a “true disbeliever.” That’s actually just a form of “true believer,” you know.
You will always come up with reasons why what you DISbelieve can’t be true. Like the Christian fundamentalists who believe the Earth was created by God only 6,000 years ago, and when someone tells them about scientific evidence that it had to be much longer, they come up with reasons why that couldn’t be – as true believers (or disbelievers) always will.
For example, when it’s pointed out to them that the bones of dinosaurs have been scientifically proven to be much, much older, they say things like “The scientists planted those bones, which are plastic or something, because scientists are in a conspiracy to dis religion and God!”
You wrote: “I never said they were ALL evidence-free. I said that the claim about a between lives implant station was evidence-free.”
That’s not true either, Al.
Not to say that there is conclusive evidence, but there definitely is evidence. Certain remote viewers with proven records (good enough that governments have hired them, btw) did some remote viewing on Mars. NASA had taken some photographs of what appeared to be artificial (i.e. not natural) dome-like structures. The remote viewers had not been shown the photos and knew nothing about them, but they were asked to take a closer look at that specific area of the planet. Here’s a summary of their general perceptions:
– The domes are artificial
– Subjects work inside the domes
– Technology
– Original builders are ancient
– Current inhabitants do not fully understand the technology
– Missing spare parts
– Enormous power generating technology
– Intense light flashing from domes
– Sense of despondency among inhabitants
– Hardship assignment
– Subjects apparently cannot return home, and they knew that when they accepted the assignment
– No extraterrestrial content to the RV data
– Subjects could be human
– Origin unknown
– Possible “black” military operation
– Possibility of decoding error
– New information is speculative since it is not yet verified [Note: Any new information is “speculative” in the sense that there is currently no physical evidence (such as photographs) and thus it is considered speculative until and unless physical data can corroborate it.]
Watch the video for more details: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWkr7pOWQZ0
Marildi, Sir!
Your Sea Org-style SRA has gotten my ethics in and shaped me right up.
Calling me a fundamentalist Christian for Q&Aing with the quality of the evidence that supports LRH’s claim for an implant station on Mars was total Dev-T, and I know that I am at least in Doubt, probably lower, for this overt.
Because of your handling, my ethics are totally in now and I just want to comply with no backflash and no slightest comm lag.
I watched the video you crammed me on and have fully duplicated the whole thing now.
Just for clarity though, so that I can make sure others in the group comply with you:
1. The gentleman in the video, Corey Brown, said the pictures were generated from the Mars Observer mission in 1992. The SP website Wikipedia reports that mission failed in 1993, 3 days prior to reaching orbit, with all communications lost.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Observer
2. Since that mission there have been at least 20 more missions to Mars, with 3 rovers and multiple planet-wide mappings, yet Corey Brown never mentions any other physical corroboration of this photograph from any of those missions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploration_of_Mars
3. After Mr. Brown mentioned “military” and “government” throughout his presentation, at the very end of his video he had a disclaimer which said that none of this information was produced by any government agency. Why would Mr. Brown continually position himself with the military and the government throughout his talk if this was true?
I don’t want to look like I’m Qing & Aing here, sir, just trying to duplicate so that I can ensure others comply.
I guess what I am querying is that before we mortgage our houses and make our children sign billion year contracts here, sir, with all the missions to Mars in the last 20 years, even with 3 rovers on the planet and full high definition planet mappings, shouldn’t we have some kind of independent physical corroboration on LRH’s and Mr. Brown’s claims?
Or should we just trust our knowingness that this level of evidence is good enough to keep on believing LRH’s claim that an alien civilization runs an implant station on Mars where we all go to have our memories wiped out between lives?
So really. Is this evidence good enough to stake your mind and life on?
Don’t you respect yourself and the time you have on this planet more than this?
Isn’t life too short to waste it believing in bullshit like this, with such little evidence?
Alanzo
Thank you, Mike for giving up on Friend’s comments.
I was trying really hard to glean meaning, but getting frustrated with the blog to the point where I had shied away from reading the comments.
When Friend’s comment was the first one after the update when other peoples’ comments were still showing “your comment is awaiting moderation,” all I could think is wow, that must be a new OSA technique to distract and derail. Well it worked.
Thanks for your patience in waiting them out and giving them a chance to post understandable English in an English-speaking blog and thanks for dropping them when they wouldn’t take the initiative to do so, or continued on their OSA-ordered path of nonsense talk, whichever it was..
Marildi wrote:
Brian, this is an example of why your credibility is out the bottom. I went to the trouble of posting the HCOB about heaven when you made the statement on Marty’s that Ron claimed he went to heaven. It’s very clear in the bulletin that he was talking about an implant station that was mocked up to look like heaven.
It’s amazing that you forget that what WAS meant to be taken literally was that Hubbard was claiming to have actually – literally – visited a between lives implant station as a “thetan” and was reporting the literal reality and location of that implant station created and maintained by an alien civilization.
Do you believe that this implant station literally and actually exists? Because that was what L Ron Hubbard was literally saying.
Your credibility suffers when you appear utterly unaware of this in your sputtering defense of the looniest of L Ron Hubbard’s ideas.
Wow.
Alanzo
Al, don’t you know that disbelief is just another form of belief? You don’t KNOW that what LRH said isn’t true.
Truth can be stranger than fiction.
Marildi wrote to me:
“Al, don’t you know that disbelief is just another form of belief? You don’t KNOW that what LRH said isn’t true.”
Well Marildi, as Carl Sagan said, “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.”
But absence of evidence is not evidence of presence, either!
With the SETI program and with other programs that constantly scan the sky for evidence of life outside our planet, I KNOW that there is absolutely no evidence that this implant station Hubbard claimed to have visited as a thetan exists.
I also know that L Ron Hubbard literally lied to Scientologists regularly about all kinds of things that would cause them to rely more and more on the services he was selling in his business – Scientology – to the point of literally becoming enslaved by it.
Therefore, I KNOW that the probability that an alien civilization built and presently runs an implant station where Hubbard said he visited as a “thetan” is so low that it is not worth considering for one second as true. And because his story forwards Hubbard’s interests and is easily seen as a scare tactic by me, I am highly confident that he was lying or delusional when he made that tape.
You are not.
That says something about your critical thinking skills with regard to Hubbard’s outlandish and evidence-free claims. They could use improvement.
Alanzo
I disagree that LRH’s claims are all evidence free, There are many pc’s who have run incidents he talked about – and in some cases, they hadn’t even heard about the incidents before running them. One was a girl on the L’s who had not done OT III and had never heard the name “Xenu”; yet, that was the incident she ran and the name she told her auditor. Later, when she did OT III, the incident what came up on the L’s was verified for her.
To feel bacteria on her skin is also an alcohol withdrawal syndrome. This is no fun. She needs real help.
” If two men say they’re Jesus, one of them must be a Scientologist.” Ha ha ha . ROFLMAO
Mike Rinder: Giving it one last…
Calvin: Nope Mike…. not happening for me at all…ok to pull the lever on the chute 🙂
+1.
See needs real help.
Other than it being obviously forced and over the top (it seems from success stories your postulates apparently “stick” after every rundown. Wonder what happens between rundowns…) there really isn’t anything too outrageously sheepy about her success story. She didn’t profusely thank COB or LRH or bow down and kiss anyone’s shoes, or claim she is now some super hero (until the next rundown where she claims she is “now a super hero again”).
I think the cult should be condemned, and spirituality should be supported, through any path the person chooses to take. Condemning people is the part of the church of Scientology I left behind. Had she thanked COB for the efforts she personally took would have elicited a different response.
If she can feel bugs on her skin, and likes it, good for her. Personally, that’s not a concern of mine.
Hey Mike. I know you’re working on sorting out the technical gremlins. The ‘replies’ are still winding up at the bottom of the page. Hopefully sorted soon?
Thanks for all you do, mate! It really IS appreciated !!!
staff and stuff means both the same .. one is Mest and one is people .. english is a simple language ..
Yeah, that comment popped out on me also.
Narapoid:. Now I know the secret to DM’s straight up and vertical hairs that make him stand tall. Of course it is spiders! Only to be revealed in OT16 where the secret of 6 is revealed – nothing to do with Alistair Crowley and his secret devil stuff – but the number of legs (each one itchy as hell) on a spider. The newly discovered platinum plate inscribed with LRH secrets will only be revealed when you have done OT15. Prior revelation of the secret will result in an itchy scalp for the rest of your life and may induce you to commit suicide..
Remind me please, richelieu jr, to refrain from ‘going on’, what ever you’re ‘on’ (taking!) 🙂
Bacteria naturally grows on the skin, which is the largest organ in the human body and serves as the first line of defense against disease. This is why we need to bathe or shower regularly because as the bacteria multiplies and metabolizes it creates an unpleasant smell. It’s fine if she’s in greater communication with her skin now. I bet a simple assist process could have accomplished the same, or how about a “say hello to your skin” process, not a full SP Rundown. Whatever, I guess “it takes what it takes”.
As far as feeling your skin crawl up in your scalp/hair, it’s called living nerve endings. It’s a good thing. You’re alive.
I was a supervisor when the study tech was expanded to “clear every dictionary meaning of a word”. As a result, there were students who wound up on time-consuming (as in months) word-clearing from, for example, the word “staff” — the definition of which includes musical references. As a result, a student who was supposed to be studying SHSBC materials wound up studying music instead. It was insane. It was illogical. It was extremely frustrating to be their supervisor. IMO, it turned many students into zombies. The study tech, as it now exists, can bog people down unless they glean the meaning they need to know and move on. When someone has to re-do the student hat, it’s because the “technology” is flawed. This poor girl is a great example of how one can lose the thread, and thus, their ability to reason.
Actually, I learned A LOT on some of those word chains and don’t regret time spent on them at all. Sometimes I would find topics I had earlier MUs on that needed clearing as I may have had encounters with multiple incompletely understood definitions (as with words like “staff”). In the end, I was a better student and still do enjoy learning in new fields. Study Tech served me well when I went BACK to college to finish degrees after OT III and staff, and that included tackling advanced Math/statistics after years away.
The solution to wandering too far afield (I found) is to use the right dictionary – one that has adequate definitions for one’s personal situation. This is something of an individual choice which is why I cannot stand DM’s notion of glossaries. To me that’s squirrel another version of thought stopping.
I still have my well-used American Heritage, plus probably 20 other dictionaries. Internet works pretty well these days, though. I do have to use discretion in looking up terms in fields such as nuclear physics and genetics 😉 or else i could be on a four year journey to the end of the chain. Wikipedia is handy for a lot of things (academic cautions noted), and I love the links, but one can end up on an extended mental excursion.
How nice, though, to understand and use those study techniques! One could enter any field of interest and be successful without the burden of thinking you have to have some magical talent or special genius to do it. I thank LRH for the codification of study tech and word-clearing, at least.
PS. Most of this laborious word clearing was on the original Primary Rundown, which is where such depth was appropriate.
See also, I went out of the church, because they try to convince me to have a SerFac because of all the bullshit orders which I should follow now .. although it is all SerFac .
Giving it one last shot to see if anyone is able to duplicate this, otherwise am just going to start trashing these comments as they are taking up space for no return.
Yes do it .. I will not longer give a comment .. will also close my reading of your blog .. bye ..
I do not invalidate wins from another .. I was only freaky enough to ask what he/she will now do with them ..
I mean I myself had lot of cognitions (will not call that a win because did not really know what I could do with them) .. once I had a cognition how all this reactive stuff took place .. surely was it LRH who showed me the way for understsnding .. naturally, because he worked himself on this matter .. it is basically the understanding of what a SerFac really is .. means basically, if you have one, you will create a bank full of balderdash .. if you have none, you see all this balderdash .. that’s the way out ..
Some wins which I have heard about are only SerFacs .. nothing else .. you should not invalide such stuff, because the SerFac will then only expand .. be silent and say “Yes” and take it as the current state of affairs .. someday the person may find her SerFac .. and all is gone ..
See my other two responses
I thank all the gods out there that I “saw the light”and left the cult. Its this type of embarrassing stuff that gives scientology a bad name…..besides all else.
After 35 years in the cult I will not tell people about my association.
Water under the “bridge”…..haha.
More like Homo Dopey. Enjoy.
Remoteviewed,
I agree with you. I don’t see what’s accomplished by invalidating Rena’s wins. Some things she wrote I thought were completely understandable. I thought it was common knowledge with anyone who knows the study tech that clearing words is a lifelong pursuit. I’m constantly clearing words that I had earlier thought I understood. It can be a powerful thing that should never be invalidated. (continued below)
I myself had always some trouble to give a success story .. mostly I had none, so I could not write one .. it was impossible to do that this way for the church .. I had to write a success story doesn’t matter what it was .. anyway ..
I remember I wrote once an OT VII Success as my own .. best part of it is, that I got an F/N with VGIs about which did me wonder .. because the truth was to be forced for a success which I hadn’t have .. and the VGI were for getting that bullshit acknowledged as a win .. I felt wonderful for some hours .. but then it crashed because of the bullshit I have done .. it is not my sense of life to lie to others .. but I learned surely that the meter doesn’t see anything in my mind .. for sure ..
I have learned some years later that you can be so deeply ARC broken that the Meter shows the dead of the whole family with an F/N .. and deliver some VGIs to it for the examiner ..
Somebody above in this blog spoke about success as being basic cause or native state. I have heard that too .. as like natural OT .. super VGIs .. I was freaky enough to ask such persons why her body ist still alive and why he attestet it as a win ..
I have seen a lot of people who attested to something which was complete out of reality for themselves ..
@remoteviewed – Scnists are some of the most judgemental, opinionated, evaluative people I know. And why the double standard? They apparently feel it is their right to evaluate and invalidate the wog world and others, but when the table is turned…shock, horror!!
Here’s the operational rule:
If Scn or a Scnist elects to publish a success story whether it be by print or web, that data is now in the public domain and is subject to scrutiny by the general public.
If Scn or the Scnist finds that scrutiny offense or evaluative, and are unwilling to experience that – DON’T PUBLISH IT.
This is very simple.
This is one time when I agree with remoteviewed.
Calling people delusional because they have been tricked into a delusion-generating cult is like ridiculing slaves down for being poor.
Their condition is being caused by something else, and it is important to point out the cause or Source of their condition if one is seeking to eradicate it.
Alanzo
Brian said: “I think it is important to healing that we accept that we were this person once.”
Calvin: Exactly, Brian! In other words, simply being able to shift from our own, to the other’s P.O.V. All it takes, is a little compassion and the willingness to do so! You evidence both! 🙂
I had objectives many years ago and went down to the beach and noticed something I had never seen before. I could see things moving in my peripheral vision, while looking straight ahead, I could see things move,either side of me. This was really weird and I looked to see what they were, little crabs, 100’s of them, I was at the beach. This was a perception I had never had
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Personally, if someone can still get wins out of being in the church, and I believe the tech is good enough to do this, good luck to them, they have paid a lot for them, financially and emotionally.
Yea, a lot of the abilities in these wins only happens when no one’s around. Like the “OT Phenomena” in “Advance magazine” “I know who’s going to call me just before the phone rings” “I stopped time and avoided the crash” Do any of these things IN FRONT OF SOMEBODY, Hell, the amazing Randy will give you a million dollars. You could donate it to the IAS.
M4, M9, M2 the study tapes at least three times (no doubt multiple attests to student hat) and STILL had crashing Mu’s!!!???!! What is it with the inability of these people to duplicate and understand study tech??? Maybe that’s what happens when people study for speed and stats.
JP
There is some great data on duplication in Scn 0-8 p.55 in the Prelogics and Axioms of SOP 8C, step VIII DUPLICATION: amongst several other great axioms there is: “An enforced fixation in a geographical position brings about an unwillingness to duplicate”.
This helped me greatly on the RPFs RPF where it took over 1 1/2 years to route out.
Greta
“There may still be some who think she is crazy for announcing any “wins” from scientology”
There may be. Meanwhile, I’m certainly saddened by anyone who only gets their wins from closing their minds to the world (“PTS/SP tech”) and opening their wallets to the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology.
Yep. Clearly no “Comm Course” completion here, Mike. 🙂
You can accomplish the same result for free by practicing the “no” drill (found in OEC Volume 3).
Hi Mike, I think comments are still disappearing. Can’t find the last three that I wrote, and I see “Your comment is awaiting moderation” on someone ELSE’s comment.
Rena, I usually just take a shower if I feel those bacteria.
+1
I was so impressed how Carla Moxon, along with her husband, left their bodies one night and appeared on an alien spaceship and thwarted an impending invasion of the eastern US by turning the alien missiles against the alien ship, resulting in its destruction.
Even though it would be somewhat of a letdown for Carla at this point, I think we should ask her to leave her body and find Rena Mottl, mock up some disinfectant wipes, and take care of those nasty bacteria before it turns into a staph infection.
John Doe – I had to respond. I saw that video on this blog too and have to ask: Do you think Carla Moxon really meant all that when she gave that story?
That speech and video came from a public speaking group exercise, so was it literal from her or just made up?
I have wondered about that ever since I saw it. This may seem like a dumb question but I am serious.
Don’t you mean the “Right Think RD”?
Hi Greta……swept under the rug sums it
up quite well.
oops , that was for Brian. Wrong place!
@ remoteviewed..
My view is that you never invalidate the PC no matter how delusional their “wins” are.
My response would be thank you for telling me that or some other appropriate ack.
Then I’d find the person’s auditor and hand ‘em a one way ticket to cramming with a cramming order so big it would have a table of contents.”
…………
Remote.. Respectfully. This woman needs psychiatric help. I am a counselor and she is clearly delusional.
Instead of finding her auditor I would highly recommend a trained therapist who would offer her rest, relaxation and intensive therapy. I only feel sadness when reading her ” Win.”
You would clearly be making a grave error if you were to continue to encourage her to ” Cram.” You are only furthering her delusion by validating her thoughts. Very sad. Extremely sad.
Hi Baby,
I hear what you are saying here about feeing sadness or compassion for the woman giving her win.
This win would be considered pretty normal by parishioners in the church and this woman would be validated and praised for everything she says in her win because she is now a “Super Power Completion”. The promotion of a service is very important and she is fulfilling her duty as a good Scientologist. During the course of my time in the CoS, which was over 20 years, I have heard plenty of similar type wins from people.
It is against the culture within the church to critize another’s win, no matter how far out it may seem to the person listening. Even critically analyzing it would not be okay and would be deemed evaluative or “eval” in Scientologese.
Perhaps you can see how this could tie into the manifestation of thought stopping as well.
Yes, I understand and you are right of course , I just didn’t want to be in the same bag I guess as I always kept my distance from the unrealities but listened politely and maybe too carefully ,to the bizareness of it all.
LOL. I think that was Mark Knoppfler.
For the love of Claude, if I run into another Scientologist who was Napoleon of Jesus in past life.. That’s the real reason everyone was told to avoid talking about their wins…
The whole house of cards would have folded in a week as one Jesus riot after another broke out, and gangs of opposing Jesuses were formed then dissolved by Ron, big ‘J’ himself (See: My Billion Year Contract, where his plan to reveal his divinity was revealed..)
To paraphrase Elvis Costello: If two men say they’re Jesus, one of them must be a Scientologist.
Wow. Is that it? Incredible wins. Haha.
I heard from a staff member friend about an old time scientologist, who’s been flounding around on his OT levels for a long time, he redid his objectives and his major win was he now no longer feels any upset or anxieties about been regged. Unbelievable. This guy has probably donated over million dollars for wife (OT8 and probably redoing the bridge too) and himself. Now he has a huge win of been able to sit comfortably in front of a reg being regged. How pathetically sad.
Invisible Man – that is extremely sad. Worse for him is that his ideas will be encouraged and he will be praised with how “sane” he is and how he is so special and different from all the other human forms on the planet. His future will be a lonely one if he continues on that road.
Sorry, I meant a lonely (because he might come to consider himself “different” from others) and a BROKE future.
By the way, I attested to Objectives over 20 years ago, along with TR’s and Grades and never had a problem with sitting comfortably in front of a registrar.
My stable datum towards regging and fundraising has always been the following: Just as they have the right to ask, I have the right to say YES or NO.
And in my book, “No” means no.
My take on the ‘don’t evaluate for others’ is that it originated with the auditors code. It applies to an auditor’s behavior toward their pc. As I understand it the auditor’s code is to protect the auditor. If he (or her, I’ll use the male pronoun) evaluates for the pc, he’ll have problems with THAT pc thereafter, and set himself up for a loss.
As an indie Scn currently getting auditing, I know what I get out of auditing and why I still pursue it, despite it being a toxic subject in society. I feel pretty damned good afterward, and I get damned productive after several hours of auditing (I’m self-employed.) This is something that I don’t have any problem proving, so I’m not too worried about getting ‘my wins invalidated’ about this. It’s a pretty tangible result that I use to evaluate for myself whether what I’m doing is worth the time and money.
The subject matter itself addressed in auditing can be pretty wild, but I find with a skilled auditor who knows her business it runs like clockwork, and is pretty impressive to consider the process of auditing with an objective eye, even while experiencing it.
One thing I did take from her success story is where she talks about her income being greatly increased after the services she did, despite reasons that would argue against business being good. Okay, that I would take as a solid win (even though it is still pretty subjective. Let’s see how she’s doing in 6 months.)
The problem I see with her success story here is that she’s giving wins about increased abilities and perceptions, yet she’s shut down any ability to observe and reason, or she sure as hell would see the glaring outpoints she is in the middle of at flag. Doubtless she had friends she has disconnected from so that she would stay ‘eligible’ to do services at flag.
Next, she’s posting this on FB. So she has made this public knowledge for the world to see. She can’t stand behind her statements? She doesn’t expect to receive a backlash? And she can’t see that, even if these are valid experiences for her, that they do sound batshit crazy? She can’t communicate her wins in a way that would gain a (possibly) wider acceptance? It sounds like party-line to me to keep her in good graces.
“She” that is.
“New Homo Novus” is redundant.
Yep
I was expecting a better twist ending to her story, you know?
Like when she finally looked up “Zombie” she saw a picture of herself, or perhaps someone had glued a little bit of reflective mirror in there…
Sorry to make light, but this stuff just makes me feel sad.
All I could think while reading this was “Lisa McPherson syndrome”. I hope she’s not in Clearwater when she breaks.
I’ve been doing a project about Alice in Wonderland how it introduces the concept of drugs to children and can’t help but compare the cognitive dissonance of a book with drugs and psych being used in introductory Scientology. Why should it be such a leap for someone to say things like this when they didn’t blink at that juxtaposition?
The most frightening thing I’ve heard in a long time is Marc Headley telling Jeff Augustine he believes if Miscavige told the faithful to drink cyanide laced koolaid, they would.
If feeling bacteria on skin and spiders in hair are wins, I am frightened for thar poor woman. I hope she gets help. I can’t laugh, it’s too sad.
Perfect picture for a post about a perfectly potty PC.
But seriously though, this “success story” sounds ominously similar to the Lisa Mc Pherson story as recounted by Marty. (Forgive me if I don’t get this exactly verbatim). He told of how he heard someone laughing hysterically in the HGC and when he enquired what was going on, he was told it was Lisa having just attested to “Clear”. Marty spotted it as “delusional glee” or some type of manic behaviour and tried to intervene. He was prevented from doing so, and we all know how that story ended.
My comment got separated from the post I was replying to, and it makes no sense alone! I was replying to Detlef Ruchatz’s post that said:
“ ‘… while completing Cause Resurgence and getting through Superpower … I was the only PC sessionable all day long.’ There seems to be very little demand for Flag Auditing these days.”
Little demand…and few sessionable PC’s?
Exactly. She shouldn’t need a diagnosis, she can DIY. Magical thinking…
Here is a short story by Saki that might give some perspective:
Saki
The She-Wolf
Leonard Bilsiter was one of those people who have failed to find this world attractive or interesting, and who have sought compensation in an “unseen world” of their own experience or imagination – or invention. Children do that sort of thing successfully, but children are content to convince themselves, and do not vulgarise their beliefs by trying to convince other people. Leonard Bilsiter’s beliefs were for “the few,” that is to say, anyone who would listen to him.
His dabblings in the unseen might not have carried him beyond the customary platitudes of the drawing-room visionary if accident had not reinforced his stock-in-trade of mystical lore. In company with a friend, who was interested in a Ural mining concern, he had made a trip across Eastern Europe at a moment when the great Russian railway strike was developing from a threat to a reality; its outbreak caught him on the return journey, somewhere on the further side of Perm, and it was while waiting for a couple of days at a wayside station in a state of suspended locomotion that he made the acquaintance of a dealer in harness and metalware, who profitably whiled away the tedium of the long halt by initiating his English travelling companion in a fragmentary system of folk-lore that he had picked up from Trans-Baikal traders and natives. Leonard returned to his home circle garrulous about his Russian strike experiences, but oppressively reticent about certain dark mysteries, which he alluded to under the resounding title of Siberian Magic. The reticence wore off in a week or two under the influence of an entire lack of general curiosity, and Leonard began to make more detailed allusions to the enormous powers which this new esoteric force, to use his own description of it, conferred on the initiated few who knew how to wield it. His aunt, Cecilia Hoops, who loved sensation perhaps rather better than she loved the truth, gave him as clamorous an advertisement as anyone could wish for by retailing an account of how he had turned a vegetable marrow into a wood pigeon before her very eyes. As a manifestation of the possession of supernatural powers, the story was discounted in some quarters by the respect accorded to Mrs. Hoops’ powers of imagination.
However divided opinion might be on the question of Leonard’s status as a wonderworker or a charlatan, he certainly arrived at Mary Hampton’s house-party with a reputation for pre-eminence in one or other of those professions, and he was not disposed to shun such publicity as might fall to his share. Esoteric forces and unusual powers figured largely in whatever conversation he or his aunt had a share in, and his own performances, past and potential, were the subject of mysterious hints and dark avowals.
“I wish you would turn me into a wolf, Mr. Bilsiter,” said his hostess at luncheon the day after his arrival.
“My dear Mary,” said Colonel Hampton, “I never knew you had a craving in that direction.”
“A she-wolf, of course,” continued Mrs. Hampton; it would be too confusing to change one’s sex as well as one’s species at a moment’s notice.”
“I don’t think one should jest on these subjects,” said Leonard.
“I’m not jesting, I’m quite serious, I assure you. Only don’t do it to-day; we have only eight available bridge players, and it would break up one of our tables. To-morrow we shall be a larger party. To-morrow night, after dinner – ”
“In our present imperfect understanding of these hidden forces I think one should approach them with humbleness rather than mockery,” observed Leonard, with such severity that the subject was forthwith dropped.
Clovis Sangrail had sat unusually silent during the discussion on the possibilities of Siberian Magic; after lunch he side-tracked Lord Pabham into the comparative seclusion of the billiard-room and delivered himself of a searching question.
“Have you such a thing as a she-wolf in your collection of wild animals? A she-wolf of moderately good temper?”
Lord Pabham considered. “There is Loiusa,” he said, “a rather fine specimen of the timber-wolf. I got her two years ago in exchange for some Arctic foxes. Most of my animals get to be fairly tame before they’ve been with me very long; I think I can say Louisa has an angelic temper, as she-wolves go. Why do you ask?”
“I was wondering whether you would lend her to me for to-morrow night,” said Clovis, with the careless solicitude of one who borrows a collar stud or a tennis racquet.
“To-morrow night?”
“Yes, wolves are nocturnal animals, so the late hours won’t hurt her,” said Clovis, with the air of one who has taken everything into consideration; “one of your men could bring her over from Pabham Park after dusk, and with a little help he ought to be able to smuggle her into the conservatory at the same moment that Mary Hampton makes an unobtrusive exit.”
Lord Pabham stared at Clovis for a moment in pardonable bewilderment; then his face broke into a wrinkled network of laughter.
“Oh, that’s your game, is it? You are going to do a little Siberian Magic on your own account. And is Mrs. Hampton willing to be a fellow-conspirator?”
“Mary is pledged to see me through with it, if you will guarantee Louisa’s temper.”
“I’ll answer for Louisa,” said Lord Pabham.
By the following day the house-party had swollen to larger proportions, and Bilsiter’s instinct for self-advertisement expanded duly under the stimulant of an increased audience. At dinner that evening he held forth at length on the subject of unseen forces and untested powers, and his flow of impressive eloquence continued unabated while coffee was being served in the drawing-room preparatory to a general migration to the card-room.
His aunt ensured a respectful hearing for his utterances, but her sensation-loving soul hankered after something more dramatic than mere vocal demonstration.
“Won’t you do something to convince them of your powers, Leonard?” she pleaded; “change something into another shape. He can, you know, if he only chooses to,” she informed the company.
“Oh, do,” said Mavis Pellington earnestly, and her request was echoed by nearly everyone present. Even those who were not open to conviction were perfectly willing to be entertained by an exhibition of amateur conjuring.
Leonard felt that something tangible was expected of him.
“Has anyone present,” he asked, “got a three-penny bit or some small object of no particular value?”
“You’re surely not going to make coins disappear, or something primitive of that sort?” said Clovis contemptuously.
“I think it very unkind of you not to carry out my suggestion of turning me into a wolf,” said Mary Hampton, as she crossed over to the conservatory to give her macaws their usual tribute from the dessert dishes.
“I have already warned you of the danger of treating these powers in a mocking spirit,” said Leonard solemnly.
“I don’t believe you can do it,” laughed Mary provocatively from the conservatory; “I dare you to do it if you can. I defy you to turn me into a wolf.”
As she said this she was lost to view behind a clump of azaleas.
“Mrs. Hampton – ” began Leonard with increased solemnity, but he got no further. A breath of chill air seemed to rush across the room, and at the same time the macaws broke forth into ear-splitting screams.
“What on earth is the matter with those confounded birds, Mary?” exclaimed Colonel Hampton; at the same moment an even more piercing scream from Mavis Pellington stampeded the entire company from their seats. In various attitudes of helpless horror or instinctive defence they confronted the evil-looking grey beast that was peering at them from amid a setting of fern and azalea.
Mrs. Hoops was the first to recover from the general chaos of fright and bewilderment.
“Leonard!” she screamed shrilly to her nephew, “turn it back into Mrs. Hampton at once! It may fly at us at any moment. Turn it back!”
“I – I don’t know how to,” faltered Leonard, who looked more scared and horrified than anyone.
“What!” shouted Colonel Hampton, “you’ve taken the abominable liberty of turning my wife into a wolf, and now you stand there calmly and say you can’t turn her back again!”
To do strict justice to Leonard, calmness was not a distinguishing feature of his attitude at the moment.
“I assure you I didn’t turn Mrs. Hampton into a wolf; nothing was farther from my intentions,” he protested.
“Then where is she, and how came that animal into the conservatory?” demanded the Colonel.
“Of course we must accept your assurance that you didn’t turn Mrs. Hampton into a wolf,” said Clovis politely, “but you will agree that appearances are against you.”
“Are we to have all these recriminations with that beast standing there ready to tear us to pieces?” wailed Mavis indignantly.
“Lord Pabham, you know a good deal about wild beasts – ” suggested Colonel Hampton.
“The wild beasts that I have been accustomed to,” said Lord Pabham, “have come with proper credentials from well-known dealers, or have been bred in my own menagerie. I’ve never before been confronted with an animal that walks unconcernedly out of an azalea bush, leaving a charming and popular hostess unaccounted for. As far as one can judge from outward characteristics,” he continued, “it has the appearance of a well-grown female of the North American timber-wolf, a variety of the common species canis lupus.”
“Oh, never mind its Latin name,” screamed Mavis, as the beast came a step or two further into the room; “can’t you entice it away with food, and shut it up where it can’t do any harm?”
“If it is really Mrs. Hampton, who has just had a very good dinner, I don’t suppose food will appeal to it very strongly,” said Clovis.
“Leonard,” beseeched Mrs. Hoops tearfully, “even if this is none of your doing can’t you use your great powers to turn this dreadful beast into something harmless before it bites us all – a rabbit or something?”
“I don’t suppose Colonel Hampton would care to have his wife turned into a succession of fancy animals as though we were playing a round game with her,” interposed Clovis.
“I absolutely forbid it,” thundered the Colonel.
“Most wolves that I’ve had anything to do with have been inordinately fond of sugar,” said Lord Pabham; “if you like I’ll try the effect on this one.”
He took a piece of sugar from the saucer of his coffee cup and flung it to the expectant Louisa, who snapped it in mid-air. There was a sigh of relief from the company; a wolf that ate sugar when it might at the least have been employed in tearing macaws to pieces had already shed some of its terrors. The sigh deepened to a gasp of thanks-giving when Lord Pabham decoyed the animal out of the room by a pretended largesse of further sugar. There was an instant rush to the vacated conservatory. There was no trace of Mrs. Hampton except the plate containing the macaws’ supper.
“The door is locked on the inside!” exclaimed Clovis, who had deftly turned the key as he affected to test it.
Everyone turned towards Bilsiter.
“If you haven’t turned my wife into a wolf,” said Colonel Hampton, “will you kindly explain where she has disappeared to, since she obviously could not have gone through a locked door? I will not press you for an explanation of how a North American timber-wolf suddenly appeared in the conservatory, but I think I have some right to inquire what has become of Mrs. Hampton.”
Bilsiter’s reiterated disclaimer was met with a general murmur of impatient disbelief.
“I refuse to stay another hour under this roof,” declared Mavis Pellington.
“If our hostess has really vanished out of human form,” said Mrs. Hoops, “none of the ladies of the party can very well remain. I absolutely decline to be chaperoned by a wolf!”
“It’s a she-wolf,” said Clovis soothingly.
The correct etiquette to be observed under the unusual circumstances received no further elucidation. The sudden entry of Mary Hampton deprived the discussion of its immediate interest.
“Some one has mesmerised me,” she exclaimed crossly; “I found myself in the game larder, of all places, being fed with sugar by Lord Pabham. I hate being mesmerised, and the doctor has forbidden me to touch sugar.”
The situation was explained to her, as far as it permitted of anything that could be called explanation.
“Then you really did turn me into a wolf, Mr. Bilsiter?” she exclaimed excitedly.
But Leonard had burned the boat in which he might now have embarked on a sea of glory. He could only shake his head feebly.
“It was I who took that liberty,” said Clovis; “you see, I happen to have lived for a couple of years in North-Eastern Russia, and I have more than a tourist’s acquaintance with the magic craft of that region. One does not care to speak about these strange powers, but once in a way, when one hears a lot of nonsense being talked about them, one is tempted to show what Siberian magic can accomplish in the hands of someone who really understands it. I yielded to that temptation. May I have some brandy? the effort has left me rather faint.”
If Leonard Bilsiter could at that moment have transformed Clovis into a cockroach and then have stepped on him he would gladly have performed both operations.
It “is” interesting that she’d go PTS (injury) after a major action (I assume it was major). Apparently, not all her ser facs were handled – lol!!
I’d like to point something out regarding study tech within Scn – at least when I was in back in the 70’s. First off, I did very little in this area – just Student Hat. But, I remember my Sup trying to “hurry” me along for their stats. I was fairly new and so felt somewhat intimidated into hurrying. Also, I hated looking things up in the dictionary so, I tried to fake it as much as possible. How I even passed some areas I have no idea :). So, only from my own experience, I’m assuming that if a person has missed the meaning of whole segments of Scn, to “some” degree I think its the failings of both the Sup and the Student – each for their own reasons. Doesn’t reflect well on the “training” of the Sup, I suppose. I would think its their job that they create a safe environment instead of a “stats” environment.
However, I would like to point out that whether a person “ever” has been exposed to Scn or not, there “are” people in this world who are extremely psychic or telepathic or whatever you call them. I’ve met a few and have seen their perceptions be very accurate.
Scientology is NOT the originator of so-called healing miracles, weird things that go bump in the night, extreme sensitives (what they call extreme empaths), areas of the physical universe that seem to defy “normalicies”. The list goes on.
Those who have not seen, felt, or experienced unusual or out of the ordinary situations – all I can say is that only in my opinion, are they in a rather limited box of their own making and in agreement with not looking at or perhaps experiencing other possibilities. I’d also say they are becoming outdated because more and more people are at the very least admitting to intuitions – especially newer generations.
My earlier comment bounced, I think. This poor woman is in such a hunger for a win that she is having a psychedelic experience from the Student Hat retread #3(wtf?!) and the Cause Resurgence run-til-you-cognite.
Spiders in her hair? Her hair is standing on end. Somewhere inside the implanted control “machine” (from Scientology) she can tell something bad is wrong and her hair is standing on end.
Thanks for this post Mike, I can see the shape of the end now. After the avalanche of courtroom losses and with Miscavige on the lam and soon to be incarcerated the true believers like Rena will still be with us on our earth. Harmed in ways that are ugly to behold and inconceivable to most. But, I do believe she and most of the others can come back to reality once the beast is gone.
Narapoid:. Now I know the secret to DM’s straight up and vertical hair that makes him stand tall. Of course it is spiders! Only to be revealed in OT16 where the secret of 6 is revealed – nothing to do with Alistair Crowley and his secret devil stuff – but the number of legs (each one itchy as hell) on a spider. The newly discovered platinum plate inscribed with LRH secrets will only be revealed when you have done OT15. Prior revelation of the secret will result in an itchy scalp for the rest of your life and may induce you to commit suicide.
Or the desperate regges are keeping all the pc’s up so late that none of them are sessionable.
Comments disappearing?? gotcha Mike, you Loyal Officer you!
ML
hrl
Yeah……..I just feel sad.
She starts her post with “Life after Surerpower…” Shouldn’t that be “Life ON Superpower..?”
So she has done Superpower – why would she consult a massage therapist after hurting her foot? Why didn’t she just “handle it” herself immediately after her accident???
Well when I was in, doing work at Qual, somebody attested to “Native State”.
In a few seconds another lady came in to attest for “Total Cause”.
So, if someone comes with a great, incredible, out of the Universe cognition, the next one will go for the…..
After all, everything is personal.
If Qual had been doing its job, they would not have let her attest.
I’ve heard of people in the past who tried to attest to “Natural OTVII Completion”, but that didn’t fly.
Certainly wouldn’t be accepted now either, but not because of Qual but because of Reges.
Potpie wrote:
I can’t make a long comment.
The post comment icon disappears.
I’ve experienced that, too.
All you have to do is hit the tab key with your cursor in the post text area. The tab key will make your cursor jump to the contact details below the comment section, and then you will be able to see the “Post Comment” button.
If you can’t see the “Post Comment” button, but your cursor moved to the email address field, keep hitting your tab key and you will eventually see the button.
There.
May you post and post and post now to your heart’s content! (:>)
Alanzo
There are some bugs being ironed out due to se new software and hosting as a result of site going down. Sorry for any inconvenience.
Nice hack, Alanzo, thanks!
Hi Alanzo…..thank you for that info.
“I am a NEW Homo Novus (sic)” Google Translator from Latin to English as “nouveau riche” (Go figure?) and that means: “people who have recently acquired wealth, typically those perceived as ostentatious or lacking in good taste.” for what that’s worth. 🙂
She’s a bogged PC, in SO many ways.
Exactly. There are many maifestations of it, including what you refer to (BTW misspelled)
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1121818-overview
The woman is becoming increasingly mentally ill. She needs real help.
This is what makes me angriest about Scientology. This woman, clearly, publicly needs help. Nearly everyone on this list agrees.
BUT because Ron didn’t get the respect he thought he deserved, or because his wife (the one he insisted never existed) tried to get him committed after he kidnapped their daughter, THIS woman will be denied the help she clearly, desperately needs.
That’s areal problem, folks. And who’s fault will it be when she hurts herself, or others? Decides to starve the spiders out, or silence the voices in her head?
One things for sure, CoS will blame it on the psych drugs she was finally given, decades too late.
Whatever your position on the ‘tech’, this is tragic.
Great picture for this article.
These are the GAT 3 uniforms ?
Bacteria does not stand a chance !!!!!!!!!!!!
Hmm..let’s see:
PC is injured after major action completed
PCwrites totally out PR success story
PC proud of ability to evaluate others and their tone level
PC has “literal” postulates, yet is proud of better understanding of study tech.
PCs perceptions are not under her own control.
PC is a nutter!
I don’t think that the Super Power success story is unbelievable at all. As far as I’m concerned, one should be able to perceive all sorts of body activity as one expands in awareness and I think that she should freely talk about what she has experienced to Scientologists. If she has posted on FACE BOOK for anyone to read, then yes, people will consider her nutty and it will likewise make Scientology look crazy. The other ‘wins’ that she has are nothing to write home about, as they are not special. The fact that she realized that she never understood a particular bulletin speaks to her mu’s on that bulletin. I expect more from Super Power, according to the pr, than what she has given. Her ‘wins’, except for the hair root and bacteria phenomenon, are things that I experienced before even getting into Scientology and are pretty basic to many people who get auditing. I could see through my body when doing ot1…it was real enough to me and it was spectacular, but it didn’t last. It was a perception that I had for moments. Ron use to talk about how ‘parlor tricks’ were unimportant, yet his works are full of phenomena that can make us go wow. I think he had moments of perception and tons of experiences, but ultimately he (imho) was too pts and too unstable in his own auditing. If someone has ‘super power’ then I expect them to have abilities …to be proactive with these new found perceptions and do something special with them to be of service to others.
How she will utilize her experiences for the betterment of humankind, or just with people in her own environment will be of interest to me. All the hype of how OTs will change the planet is yet to be seen. Many people I know of simply get up the bridge and then go off somewhere and become less involved; they just do it for themselves: get what they get out of it, and then bask in their own beingness. Super Power, like all auditing, will be subjective. A cleared cannibal and all that.
My think is that having greater perception on the physical universe is a plus, but besides the personal experience, how does this help anyone else? How does this help to stop crime, insanity, and war? If every OT and every Super Power person are stellar people in the world, one for one, then the whole game of getting up the bridge would be worthwhile. However, how would we deliver to those who are poor? How do we help 3rd W countries (half the planet)? So, I say good for those people who do complete all their auditing and feel ‘free’ as a being, but how ’bout the rest of the world folks? How does being super powerful feel in a world that is full of crime, hate, and poverty and is run by greedy bastards?
Mike, if it weren’t for the fact that this latest ‘SP’ (Super Power) version of the various COB created ‘milking machines’, were sucking and guzzling their way through the pitiful remnants of sheeple, then the entire LRH original concept of 55 odd ‘perceptions’, remain an intriguing area of actual scientific investigation.
Unfortunately though, the derision attracted to the topic, by way of the ‘stock’ ridicule heaped upon LRH’s research and investigations, by journo’s and critics alike, apparently condemns this work to the realms of ‘just more drivel from an over imaginative science-fiction writer’.
…Just goes to show how far OFF, one can go, when one is UNWILLING to ‘duplicate’ communication.
( — really grossly off ?… perhaps? ) But then again, as much of their ‘valuable insights’ are obtained through the testimonies of (now) anti-LRH exe’s, it would appear that they even discredit the value of the ‘Comm Course’, which was simply developed for the effective training of skilled Auditors. Indeed, as I’m sure you still agree, the concept of ‘as-isness’, is axiomatically dependent on ‘duplication’, for it’s effect.
As things stand then, the simple ‘unwillingness to duplicate’, still appears to be one of the greatest obstacles to be overcome, if ‘the world view’ is ever to appreciate the genius of L. Ron Hubbard, (imho)
hahahahahahahhahahahhahhaa…
Ron Hubbard and Science in the same sentence!
It was like those 5 lonths in 1950 all over again!
and then.. “G-G-G–G-Ge-Geni—!” Oh stop it, I can’t go on!
(imho)
I dont understand this at all?
Personally I object to anyone making fun of other people’s wins or successes no matter how “delusional” they may appear by general consensus or what is considered “normal”.
To each his own.
If this is the sort of statement you find acceptable that is clearly your choice. And you are apparently not too far away in your thinking from the inside the bubble public who will lap this up. Or at least look at it and go “don’t invalidate her wins.”
Oh please.
Is accusing someone of being a “Koolaid Drinker” or that one is thinking like those “inside the bubble” the new scarlet letter?
Look I’m totally for you pointing out the disparity in their stats and their over the top promo but I draw the line on attacking someone’s *subjective* reality just because it doesn’t align with the social order which is a bigger cult than the Church currently is.
And yes because as an auditor I still believe that one shouldn’t invalidate anyone’s wins.
Ok. I think if u are an auditor u should be ruthlessly invalidating this sort of foolishness. These are not “wins” they are not tied to reality. You of course are free to do whatever u wish. It’s your own statements that are what out the scarlet letter on your forehead Robin. It’s a self inflicted injury.
My view is that you never invalidate the PC no matter how delusional their “wins” are.
My response would be thank you for telling me that or some other appropriate ack.
Then I’d find the person’s auditor and hand ’em a one way ticket to cramming with a cramming order so big it would have a table of contents.
I think her wins are laughable, and have no problem invalidating her delusion.
However, out of sensitivity to those who may have their blow cog in the future, I’d maybe consider blurring the name as is done on the ESMB mirror thetan thread. So they don’t feel too ashamed to show up here when (notice I didn’t say if) they finally blow.
Take this for what it’s worth – it’s your blog, and I certainly don’t have the balls to set up my own critical site….
I would like to attest to the ability to evaluate for anyone and to invalidate any bullshit I hear, read or see. In other words, I can now express what I really think.
@remoteviewed
her wins are not being invalidated. if what is true for her is true, then vice verser.
if she has the right to think it’s true and say it out loud, we have the right not to believe her and say that out loud.
“that is a win for me, please refrain from invalidating it” do you see how that just puts a muzzle on you?
lets say i get a win from invalidating her, so according to you, you can’t invalidate me for that. doesn’t that just shut you up?
don’t you see you either have to not object to me invalidating her or not be consistent with invalidating people.
put it another way
lets assume mike feels he gets a win from making this post. you have in fact invalidated him.
explain that? how is that you can invalidate other’s wins?
this invalidating thing just a technique to put a straight jacket on thinking. so that way no matter how much ridiculous crap you hear you have to shut up about it.
if this person were influencing your child you’d be invalidating plenty.
Sure you can if you want.
I mean you have the freedom to stand in front of a phalanx of Riot police and scream:
“Fascist Pigs!
Down with the State!”
Or you can run down the streets of South Central LA and shout the “N” word at any passer by.
But I wouldn’t give you good odds on survival in a Sports Book at Vegas.
Sure we can get totally relativistic and pretty much justify any action you want I guess.
Personally aside from being morally wrong to invalidate a person’s own personal beliefs especially when these believes are not harming anyone I also feel it is bad taste and shows that the person doing such is just an arrogant bigot.
That’s only my opinion.
So, it is your opinion that I am an arrogant bigot for posting this?
Feeling imaginary spiders in your hair and putting it on Facebook is a “win” that “shouldnt be invalidated”?
And it’s arrogant and “bigoted” to comment on it.
Like I said earlier, you are closer to the reality of a bubbledweller or a troll than you are to the vast majority of readers of this blog.
This is one of your more bizarre episodes here. I hope you come back to earth soon.
Never was big on being part of the vast majority.
Group think never appealed to me.
Troll?
Not really.
My intention wasn’t to stir up ad hominem. Merely state my point of view on the matter.
Tell me how this episode is any more bizarre than any other
episode?
I mean I just basically stated my *opinion* which is obviously unique and obviously doesn’t conform with the “vast majority”.
To quote one of your recent comments in response to you:
Sure you can if you want.
I mean you have the freedom to stand in front of a phalanx of Riot police and scream:
“Fascist Pigs!
Down with the State!”
Or you can run down the streets of South Central LA and shout the “N” word at any passer by.
But I wouldn’t give you good odds on survival in a Sports Book at Vegas.
Thanks for using my words in epigram Mike,
That’s what practically every writer strives for 😉
Hey, Robin, I have wins every day, one each morning when I take Cymbalta, and one every night when I take Zyprexa. They have made me a more complete social being more able to function in a greater number of dynamics. Would you invalidate those wins because they come from psychoactive medication prescribed by a psychiatrist?
Before you answer, while you’re word-clearing “strawman argument” (which you need to do), word-clear “hypocrite” as well, then answer.
Long distance communication is a subject that I do find of interest. Most people I’ve known say they have experienced something like this at some point in their life. It’s not far fetched for me to believe that more advanced intelligent life in the universe might have this ability. We might be viewed as a primitive culture because we don’t. On a spiritual level I don’t know that this isn’t the norm. Some here will invalidate Rena here because her statement about long distance communication hasn’t been scientifically tested. The fact is that to some degree it has and it’s been found that some people have this ability to some degree. How much it exists or can be developed remains to be seen. I don’t see the point in invalidating her about this.
As far as the subject of bacteria goes, I hope she keeps clearing her MU’s.
Having to invalidate everything coming out of the church these days to me is as mindless as having to believe everything about the church is right. I have no doubt that people do have real wins in the church. The problem is that the net outcome for just about everyone will be negative because of the insanity of DM. He’s the real problem.
Paul,
PEAR did a study some back on telepathy and other forms of psychic communication which was quite interesting:
http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2002/4/11/princeton-studies-mind-reading-or-did/
Regarding seeing bacteria.
Though I’m no expert in that area. I agree that Rena may need a little more word clearing on the subject.
I also agree that it is not people like Rena who are the problem but the squirrel tech currently in vogue within the Organization.
Many of these so called wins seem somewhat “up the pole”. Mystical revelations you’d expect from something like Eckankar or the OTO or something like that.
From what little I understand about the Super Rundowns you’d expect more stability. Yet poor Rena’s “win” seems to make her seem less stable and somewhat overwhelmed.
Remoteviewed,
I agree with you. I don’t see what’s accomplished by invalidating Rena’s wins. Some things she wrote I thought were completely understandable. I thought it was common knowledge with anyone who knows the study tech that clearing words is a lifelong pursuit. I’m constantly clearing words that I had earlier thought I understood. It can be a powerful thing that should never be invalidated. (this didn’t show up in my reply)
Paul,
I agree. Even words that I think I understand fully I gain more understanding of by further clearing in more specialized glossaries or dictionaries.
Such as those dealing with navigation, music and photography that I covered on the Student Hat and later on the SHSBC for example.
Jesus that is seriously disturbing. It sounds like some of the crazy stories I’ve heard from people’s acid trips.
To feel bacteria on her skin is also an alcohol withdrawal syndrome. This is no fun. She needs real help.
gee i hope she decides to postulate having world leaders call her so she can disseminate the tech to them.
that would really speed up planetary clearing.
confront and shatter the suppression, get Obama on the phone and get this thing done already!
i know, i know, she doesn’t do parlor tricks.
she can make postulates stick unless I invalidate them.
I, Mister Wog WhiteStar, keeper of the non-tech and last King of the techless, have the power to vanquish any postulates she makes with merely a thought.
non-tech is something i learned long ago, i can’t even begin to tell you about the wins i’ve gotten from it,
like i used to feel itching on my scalp. so i applied the non-tech standardly and it turned out to be psoriasis.
i simply applied the remedy as prescribed by the non-tech and it simply just went away, just like that.
there are so many wins i could on forever just on parking spots alone.
like i have this bum knee and i used to wish i didn’t have to park so far away from the store sometimes. then one day i went to the store and the spots closest to the store were reserved for people with bum knees and stuff like that.
that’s the way it is, you just apply it and just like that, things get better.
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so this is a person who walked around thinking there might be spiders in her hair until the tech showed her it was just her hair. that’s one heck of win.
this person may very well suffer from some mental illness. i hope she’s just a clubbed seal and not actually ill.
Zoom in on the woman’s head:
Medium Shot of a family of Spiders– Momma Spider says “We’ve just gotta find a new head to tickle! This chick is nuts!”
Love the photo! – We Stand Tall!
Is that DM second from the right? 🙂
Potpie,
One has to assume that the basic motto ‘Be willing to experience anything’ and ’cause only those things
others can experience easily’ has been swept under the rug with many other good data.
Greta
Mike, you can substitute my 2nd comment for 1st. Comment system is hinky today. Thanks.
Useful substitutions:
For that tingling scalp feeling, substitute Pert Shampoo for Superpower processing.
To understand zombie, substitute mirror for dictionary
Thanks Mike. No big deal at all. Just wondered if I was supposed to be moderating or something. lol
To Cindy: I probably see your comments, that is until the glitch is fixed.
Really, Brian?
Caught into the belief system , I agree , but over the top silly , I don’t think so.
It is hard to feel empathy for such delusion, I found it hard when I was in and still do.
Let her be is the best I can do.
Ron’s trip to Heaven, Ron knowing the temperature of the Van Allen Belt, doll bodies?
I applaud your capacity to maintain common sense. But it was my experience with almost every Scientologist I knew, from grades to OT, that these metaphysical “realities” where highly sought after, highly valued and an inherent fabric of Scientology culture more than not.
My only intent on posting here is to point out that these metaphysical “realities”, now scoffed at, were highly valued my the majority. From my experience of course.
Brian, this is an example of why your credibility is out the bottom. I went to the trouble of posting the HCOB about heaven when you made the statement on Marty’s that Ron claimed he went to heaven. It’s very clear in the bulletin that he was talking about an implant station that was mocked up to look like heaven. So when he said that he – and the rest of us – had “been to heaven” it was not meant literally. I pointed this out to you at least twice, and here you are on Mike’s saying the same thing.
LRH had enough flaws without inventing more. Why do you feel you need to?
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/miller/heaven.htm
Hi Mirildi, thanks for reply. And the temperature on the Van Allen Belt?
These examples are anecdotal. If I were to list out the claims of what was promised and what people claimed they had as powers I would take over the content of this blog with volume of OT success stories that will trump Mike’s blog as far as far fetched is concerned.
Making it personal about me is easy Mirildi.
Responding to the essential idea, of the reality of delusional OT success stories, which is the essence of my post, is not so easy.
Especially if the issue is me as a person, and my capacity to deal with reality.
Best,
Brian
Just to keep things focused Mirildi, here is standard fare for Advanced Mag. This was issue 17, so it speaks to how early these things were accepted.
There were so many of these. It was universally accepted. For me, the point is not, do metaphysical realities exist. I have have many.
The point is magical thinking or delusional cause being considered as truth. And Mike’s post certainly can reasonably bring up these questions of delusional cause being a time honored Scientology belief system going way back; not just the demon spawn of the present regime.
Below is the OT success story from Advanced Mag.
“I was in my office on the 11th floor of our building when I heard the Concord [sic] (jet) going over above. I looked out the window and saw the plane flying low to the north. The weather was warm and mildly cloudy. About five minutes later, while still in my office, I became aware of a mass one quarter mile up in the sky. I looked out but could see nothing.
After I sat down again, my awareness of the mass continued so I put a beam up towards it. A thunderous explosion followed and I received a tremendous return flow along the beam, which lifted my body at least six inches out of the chair. My secretary came running through to tell me some fool must be dynamiting in the centre of the city and near our building at that.
Later that same evening in the Foundation Org, someone mentioned that they had heard a crash like thunder and the time but on looking out the window could not see any rain clouds. They work on the other side of town and were still puzzled by the bang.
No doubt some kind of ridge had built up, and on my poking a beam into it, it had become unbalanced and dramatically dispersed.
Woke up the city nicely and caused me to chuckle no end.”
John Protheroe, OT
From Advance! magazine, issue 17
I think I’s rather have an OT fantasize about skin bacteria than blowing shit up and give a chuckle about it.
A round Earth was once considered delusional.
Yes Mirildi quite true.
And a flat earth once considered science.
No, “flat Earth” was just a BELIEF, based on lack of knowledge. True science is skeptical but remains open-minded.
Science also learned that flying was not mere delusion. Those who ridiculed the Wright brothers found out they had simply been operating on their own beliefs – their fixed ideas.
No, flat Earth wasn’t science. It was a BELIEF. True science is skeptical but remains open minded.
There were those who also believed Man could never fly and that the Wright brothers were delusional. Here too, they found out that they were operating on belief – fixed ideas.
Just to be clear; Scientology can and does bring awareness up on our spiritual natures, and spiritual abilities. It can and does but a person in a position of perceiving the root cause of problems.
But………. It can also create a cult person with delusional cause who hates criticism. Especially hates criticism of Ron because criticism of Ron was implanted into the mind to be perceived as evil. This was done by Ron himself.
There is truth and wrong knowledge married together as the same in Scientology.
Space is a viewpoint of demension is a beautiful truth.
All upsets that don’t resolve is because of a third party is a dangerous lie.
Just ask any couple going to 2d marriage who started looking around for someone to blame.
Third party “law” can become a witch hunt and justification for non responsibility.
Some of Ron’s stuff was brilliant and some was his own case as church doctrine.
Therein lies the sorting out. It took me some years to allow myself to have critical thoughts. After it was ok to think constructively and authentic personal thoughts-I was able to unravel truth from lies, realities from church dogma. My views from Ron’s.
This is played down compared to the OT success stories I used to read in Advanced magazine stories in the seventies. I was a teengager and believed every word. These stories fueled my desire to go up the bridge. And the advanced orgs did not have to make them up. We did.
There were people making their cars disappear through a linked chain and going through it, appearing in another place through teleportation.
I am not quite sure how now these stories are somehow perceived as far fetched only now.
These stories have always been part of Scientology’s sales pitches and delusional tendency.
I know, I was part of it. We all were. We all believed.
I think it is important to healing that we accept that we were this person once.
Brian- Like you, a teen in the ’70’s who bought it hook, line and sinker and looking for a way out without drugs. Yes, HEALING, it might take a while.
Maybe that is why many of us are here for – DECOMPRESSING AND HEALING!!!!!!
Thanks, Mike.
And may that healing be filled with fresh new life with new fresh hopeful cognitions of an all powerful sovereign independence based on one’s own thinking.
Free to judge, free to investigate, free to agree, free to disagree, free to ponder, free to accept, free to reject, free to be a scientologist, free to dump it as bunk. Free to be free.
Warm Regards,
Brian
One more thing…
I predict that this Homo Bacterium post will be commented upon for years and years, just as the “unemployed bloggers living on the fringes of the internet” was.
Truly the gift that keeps on giving.
Mike,
The images that accompany your posts are wonderful, and perfectly complement your wonderfully written posts.
I’ve been meaning to say this for a while, but it’s gotten lost between the laughter and the tears your posts evoke.
Now, another in our continuing series of useful substitutions:
For that tingling scalp effect, substitute Pert Shampoo for Superpower processing.
Now with 30% more scrubbing spiders!
“… while completing Cause Resurgence and getting through Superpower … I was the only PC sessionable all day long.”
There seems to be very little demand for Flag Auditing these days.
That’s amazing she had to word clear “zombie”. Looks like she still doesn’t know what it means.
I think the Bubble is fogging up fast.
The words “Zombie” and “Superhero” are among the biggest in the current culture and Zeitgeist…
You do indeed have to be pretty far in (or pretty ‘far out’– which means pretty much the same thing in this case!) to not understand them…
Luckily, she clearly knows the definition of Superhero- It means David Miscavige, perhaps as played by Tom Cruise.
LOL! Good one Roxy !
Think I’m going to change my Post Name after this one. I had an MU on zombie after all these years and even after watching the Walking Dead series on AMC. I may need the Bright Think RD. After that, I’ll come up with something new.
Hoping Along, maybe
Dear Mike .. it seems not so good to communicate here .. because moderation cuts it out .. it cost me some time to write down what I have to say ..
I only cut out things I consider either off topic, troll or not understandable. That’s the problem with the posts of yours I don’t include. I understand english is not your native language and I would be incapable of posting anything on another language site, but if I can’t understand it nobody else will be able to do so either.
You shorter comments seem easier to follow generally.
My basic comment at 11:46 you have given in this blog .. so it is good enough .. basically I mean that it is stupid to write something and nobody shares it what I have to say. It is always critcal to write in such a blog, because nobody read it possibly .. so on english is not my native language .. but I try to give the right words for my meaning .. simple english, but english .. I wrote something about Objectives, and finally has nobody read that but you did post that .. once I had a dicussion with a member, Cindy or so, and you did cut out all of it, so I got never an answer to my question to her .. I know it is not a chat room .. but .. how you will know that nobody else will understand what I say, I know very well that I wrote something never given in your blog .. but it was important to me to say that ..
It is your blog .. decide what you want about my comments .. I read your blog every day .. somtimes I will give a comment myself, it may then be off topic .. but for me it was on topic .. it is sometimes difficult to see that ..
Friend, English is also not my native language. Please don’t be offended but trust Mike. I remember when a friend of mine told me,
that I need to improve my English. First I rejected it, but then I realized that he was right.
This link helped me a lot: http://www.dict.cc/ (you can set it in the language you need).
I am using this link constantly and frequently re-check what I have written. Sometimes I find out then, that I used the wrong expression.
I hope this is of any help for you. 🙂
Hi Mike,
Now it is working.
I remember a night around 1970. A group of us were at my
home smoking pot and drinking beer….we were messed up.
One friend who had just gotten into Scientology (I was not
in yet) was there (not smoking pot). He asked if I had beer
and I said yes in the fridge.
He then said there would be a day when he could sit in his
chair and open the fridge and will the beer into his hand…..he
was dead serious.
We all looked at each with mouths open and that totally
stoned look for a few seconds…..then burst out in uncontrollable
laughter.
My point?…..I’m not against one being able to do such things but
how about keeping it real for others. How can it not occur to
some that unreal comments can actually cause another to invalidate
their own case?
Unreal comm (look at how cool I am) comments seem
to be the norm in the current church with no regard to what others may
think.
Let’s see….if I read it correctly she finished SP and
then injures her foot. I think it is great she handled
the pain and swelling. This might sound silly to
some “still ins” but didn’t she feel this injury could
be an outpoint after having just finished a major action?
My wife’s comment about the bacteria thing……..
She would freak if she knew how much bacteria was
on her skin.
Well, a pretty large percentage of those bacteria would be benign, so not much to be concerned about. 🙂
There was a word we used to use for people who made these kinds of statements after auditing: ditz. They were definitely No Case Gain types, rare as they were back in the day.
Hi Mike,
I can’t make a long comment.
The post comment icon disappears.
I see this is now corrected. There have been a few changes made in the blog trying to avoid future problems of the site going down. Things are still being worked on. Trying to make it secure, fast to download and able to withstand the volume of traffic. I appreciate being alerted to problems, as sometimes I cannot see them, but please understand it is possible there may be a few glitches here and there….
Thanks Mike. 🙂
Delusion is where she is at. I spotted that immediately upon reading her win. Can I attest now?
“I can usually tell when someone is thinking about me …”. So, seriously, Rena, you must be able to tell that all of us here are thinking about you when we read your “successes” on super power. Please come here to Mike’s blog and make a comment acknowledging us thinking about you and to prove to us that you got all our thoughts on you. Acknowledgement is part of the comm cycle, Rena, don’t let us down now.
Even if she did somehow accidentally strain a Deltoid ligament in her foot, it still makes her PTS, Ron said, “ALL ACCIDENTS”, baby.
Seeing bacteria in the skin of another is a powerful ability (a little bit senseless) .. but also useless as long you do not know what germ it is .. so wash your skin .. and there are still billions there .. everyone can get in the position to see something for himself .. it is daily life .. but shut up, you may err in your analysis about such things very often ..
What it means 3 times Word cleared on the Studend Hat. What was the problem. There are only 3 points in it which are important for a student. The rest is all blablabla ..
I have a small child, and she got MUs on Mathematics. Horrible, and she did dramatize that like mad. I saw that, and did decide to help her out .. mustn’t do that, but I did because the familily went in tragic about ..
Did only show her that all rules in mathematic are easy as long nobody makes it complicated .. so did cut out some senseless orders and rules .. basically attempts to confuse .. I did cut out disorder and did fill in order .. that is not part of the Student hat .. this little girl did win very good after ..
I mean, if I had used study tech as used in the church, I would still there to get her MUs .. 12 months later it would be a total disorder on mathenatics .. if it were handled from the church .. they spin down on the student hat .. must do that and redo it for everyone as an order .. there are only three rules, if it did not work you have some fixe idea .. you have to use Data Series to find the WHY .. in my case it was not know which was sold out as know ..
Look at the Study tapes from SHSBC .. LRH describes here basically only photographie .. most people had to word clear a lot of words .. but have never heard from someone who became than an ideal artist in this business .. his explanations were merely a little bit stupid ..
What is 52 multiplied with 52. You are about 2500 .. exactly 2600 plus 104 also 2704 .. you can teach that so deeply wrong, so that you do not know what to do ..
You paid all that money for this Rena? How does that make you a super being? You have accomplished nothing but false delusions.
Good Lord, where to start…
In all sincerity, if anyone is a friend of Rena they should caution her about verbalizing such things. Said to the wrong person, this type of talk is likely to get her committed.
While I was “in”, many times I had to bite my tongue when being told such delusions. One time someone told me that they “left the physical universe”, I just looked at them and said “Why the fuck did you come back?”
In the topsy-turvy world of RCS, delusion is enlightenment, insanity is sanity and stark-staring mad is a “win”.
Alas, poor Rena. I knew her, Michael.
On this: “I can spot the person’s tone level” makes me wonder as it falls on what is today’s Scn approach to anything, this being judgmental and evaluative.
To spot a person’s tone level you may use comm. to see where the other responds, or look at his eyes and/or various other approaches. She instead looks at someone and with an evaluative circuit and judgmental attitude decides where the person stands.
If at all she achieved a denial of truth and obnosis.
On “I can definitely spot another’s tone level”, makes me wonder as you can determine such by talking to the person on various tone levels until the person responds and/or observing his eyes and other approaches.
I bring this up as she follows today’s hallmark of Scientology Inc, this being: judgmental and extremely evaluative. In other words, she is not really looking and then determining tone levels, she immediately assumes she spots it, after some evaluative circuit of course.
Unawareness of truth is what she has accomplished. Never in the whole track unprecedented delusion is what she also got.
When we Anons got involved in 2008, one of the pieces of advice that the OG gave us was “Don’t make fun of the belief system.” (the only exception to this was OTIII, and that was because of South Park; during virtually every protest, civilians came up to us and asked us about OTIII, and we had to tell them something). Reading this, I have to ask myself: how can you NOT make fun of something like this? It’s impossible not to. If someone not knowing the source of this testimony read this, the question they’d have is not whether or not she was on drugs, it was what type of drug she was on. To me, this reads like someone was keeping a diary during a PCP trip, either that or a record of early onset Alzheimer’s.
I’m hoping (against hope) that Rena is an under-the-radar who’d already paid for Super Power and took it just to see what it was about, then was required to write up her wins and decided to come up with some of the most hyperbolic nonsense imaginable, perhaps to clue other under-the-radars into the fact that this was a waste of money and total hype on the part of the RCS. Because if this is real and she believes it…oh, my, Chris, I know you worked under her and want the best, but she may be lost.
Perceptions heightened? Her perceptions have been dulled. She can’t even feel the hands taking the money out of her pockets.
Word clear Delusional Parasititous Rena.
My comment, and Chris Shelton’s disappeared for me.
Hey Mike,
Did you know I can see “Your comment is awaiting moderation” for comments other than my own? Is this happening to anyone else? Rachel
No, I didnt know that. Site admin will check this out, some things have been being worked on over the past few days to ensure no further downtime…
Mike, some of my comments disappear when I try to post them.
Mike the Spiders in My Hair disappear when I try and post them.
How far south can these people get?!? Yes, indeed. Mike. The new homo novus!
So when she finally looked up “zombie”, did she find her own picture?
Lol.
Damn Robert, you beat me to it!
I’d love to get a hold of the ‘clearing’ dictionary and just tape a bit of mirror in there next to the definition…
You know, this woman used to be my senior for a brief period of time back in the day. It’s just sad to see how far off the deep end she has fallen. She lives in a world of delusion. Please, Rena, please, wake up and come back to reality. It’s actually a great place to be!
I don’t …
(gasp)