Can you believe ANYTHING in scientology?
A Special Correspondent just sent this to me.
Remember, this is an “Ideal Org” that is not only clearing Denver, but the entire state of Colorado. As well as Nebraska, Wyoming and various other parts of the Midwest and Mountain region.
And you can bet, this is not an isolated example. This huge building is a complete failure when measured against “clearing the planet” but a huge success when measured against “clearing wallets.”
Hey Mike,
I just got Issue 427 of “Integrity”, the Denver Org’s magazine.
I’ve attached the completion list from issue 425 that you posted earlier and Issue 427. Issue 426 did not have a completion list.
Issue 427’s list includes many completions from issue 425! And they didn’t just accidentally include them – they mixed them in to make it not-so-noticeable.
Completion List issue 425
Here are some observations:
Purification Rundown
Claudio Coppoli (repeated from issue 425)
William Foster (they entered him as “William” in 427 and “Bill” in issue 425)
Survival Rundown
EVERY name listed in issue 425 is mixed into the list of names listed in 427!
Grades 0-IV
In issue 425, a single person was listed for every grade. Issue 426 had no completion list. Issue 427 has no grade completions. This Ideal Org didn’t have a single grade completion in 2 months!
Pro TRs
They took the three completions lists in issue 425 and listed them in a different order in 427. No new completions.
Upper Indoc Course
The same single completion listed in issue 425 is listed in 427.
GAK
They even repeated a completion for the “Scientology: The Fundamentals of Thought Book Course”. Now that’s desperate.
It appears this magazine is published monthly, so issue 427, minus the completions re-listed from 425, could be 2 month’s worth of completions, assuming they didn’t repeat some from the previous issue.
Author Services, Inc. 1981—2015
Author Services died last year of being merged out of existence. It is survived by an unnamed corporation, which is probably Galaxy Press, Inc, also incorporated last year.
It is requested that no flowers be sent, only cash.
What typically happens to the people on the bridge who goes completely broke or is hopelessly in debt?
The church discards them or ask them to join the sea org, or what usually happens?
Well first off….THEY WILL NEVER BELIEVE YOUR ARE BROKE!
House mortgaged to the hilt? Get a title loan on your 2001 Honda….only have one job? Get two! Ask your grand ma for money she won’t need it much longer. Ask your parents/friends/family/distant acquaintances! Recycle cans….You are not as broke as you pretend to be.
Being pressured to join the Sea Org is a constant.
But being broke does lessen the church’s interest in you. And debts you can’t easily get out of are a hinderance to joining the Sea Org.
But then is anyone in the Church of Scientology even on the bridge anymore? Or just re-reading books and donating to the IAS for nebulous reasons and STATUS.
Great find. So pathetic of Denver to pull a stunt like this. I’ll bet they’re going to hear from Tiny Fists about this, poor devils.
Let the public BE AWARE:
DAVID MISCAVIGE does NOT believe scientology works. He does not believe in scientology.
If he did, he would come clean, and salvage what he has.
He would use scientology, if it worked.
Too bad for him, nothing exists to save him or his church.
Just pure fantasy. And so the church is indeed doomed.
By coming clean, at least he would have the chance of keeping the already-in in.
No way could he sell a “bridge” now, with all these recent revelations. How stupid would you have to be, to not know that, I couldn’t say precisely, but off the cuff I would rank such intelligence, or lack of it, right up there with that of the standard orangutan. Come on, we KNOW he’s smarter than that.
But, no, he will not come clean.
Just exactly like Hubbard, he will not and can not tell you the truth.
Costs too much, bottom line.
Death in oblivion before suffering such embarrassment, the naked truth. That which matters.
“Give me psycho-drugs and fine alcohol and give me death so that I may follow in the footsteps of the Founder.” says he, the new guy.
And so he rides this chariot right into the ground, same as his mentor, until all bodies are dust, souls to stardust, all for being Courageous Leader that he is. Thank you, DAVID MISCAVIGE.
For such absolute good riddance. Bye. I’m too happy saying bye to be angry anymore. Sweet Dreams for each and every one.
May every day be like being 5 yrs old on Christmas Morning. Or Halloween, if that’s your favorite.
I don’t know if anyone has posted this yet, but the next installment of OH NO Ross and Carrie’s Scientology adventures is up, this time Ross is contemplating the Purif and they go to a Sunday Service and…well, you gotta check it out.
http://www.ohnopodcast.com
So good, because you know they’ve done their research and have read the books by the apostates, but they report their reactions as if they are people walking in and taking most things at face value.
It was a cliff hanger, can’t wait for the next instalment.
Just a quick observation.. Pinocchio must go to John Travolta’s Hair Dresser..Identical Painted on Look!
As an old Denver sup, I can add a few more cents for those who want more. Loads of these public have been around for ages:
Bill Foster has been in Scn since at least the 80’s and has already done his Purif before at least once.
Roberta Martinez, if it’s the same one I knew, did her Purif and TR’s and Objs at Denver in the ’90’s.
Dan Pino has been in since at least the 80’s. He’s an OT VIII and a classed auditor.
Tom Niemi is a dentist and OT VIII. Been in Scn since at least the early 90’s.
Peggy Fabos aka Peggy Oppenheim is married to Steven Fabos who’s been in Scn since probably the 70’s. I don’t know how long she was in before they got married.
Scott Graves is an OT VIII. He re-did his St Hat GAT style under me in the late 90’s/early 2000’s.
Todd Zaspel has been in since at least the 90’s. Did his early stuff in Boulder so I don’t know much about him.
Joe Banks is a trained sup and has been in Scn since the 70’s or early 80’s. He was also OT IV last I saw him in early 2000’s
Ross Rucker got in in the late 90’s. He hadn’t done Pro TR’s last I saw him in 2002.
Tiffany Rucker, wife of Ross. They got in together. Both were on staff at Dvr org last I knew.
Ruth McCurry has been in since the 80’s. But this may her first pass at Pro Metering.
Paul McCurry. Married to Ruth. Boulder staff member for ages. Been in since at least the 90’s.
Diego Martinez. If this is the same Diego, he’s been a Scn’ist since the 90’s. 2nd generation. Son of Roberta above.
Ruby and Dan Neal have been since at least the 70’s. They’ve done some OT levels.
Jerry Adkinson is a trained sup, staff member for decades. Been in since late 70’s/early 80’s.
Charlie Parker’s been in since at least the 80’s. Don’t know if he made it onto any OT levels yet.
Jeremy Banks is a second gen, son of Joe Banks above. He grew up in it.
Jacob Gregory. This has to be one of the sons of Cloyde and Jana Gregory. He was a munchkin last I saw him in early 2000’s.
Sarah Murphy. She must be the daughter of Beth and Tim Murphy. Also a munchkin last time I saw her.
Beth Murphy. Got in in the mid 90’s.
Todd Pruitt is married to Ali Pruitt, daughter of Jeff Pruitt (who some of you SO old timers will know). He’s been in since at least mid 90’s.
Chuck and Brenda Erdkamp have been in since at least early 80’s.
John Childers has been in since the 70’s. He was my very first auditor. Has been on staff. Was Clear, but his stripe has been added/subtracted a few times over the decades.
Kevin Wood. Been in since at least the late 80’s.
Jeff Tischer. Trained Class IV. Got in in the mid 80’s as I recall.
Dan Bank. If he’s the same Dan Bank, I think he got in in the 70’s.
Tessa Farland. Surely, she’s a child of the Farland clan. That family has been on Denver lines since at least the 70’s. Tessa’s probably 3rd gen.
Dan Trammell. Been in since at least the 80’s. Was on staff at Dvr org (maybe still is) for a few decades. Mostly as the BSO.
Deanne Macdonald. OTVIII, Class V Grad, OEC/FEBC. Formed ED of Dvr org from the mid 80s until mid 2000s.
Jeff Brabenec. Classes aud. Pre-GAT he was very trained. Grad V, I think. And one of the few active and qualified FPRD auds back in my day. He was OT V last I knew in 2002. I think he originally got in in the 70’s.
Doug Hoisington. Trained sup, mid-OT VII at least. Did a brief stint as the Dvr org ED in the 2000’s. Been in since at least the early 80’s.
Tris Hales is a name I recognize, but I don’t believe I ever sup’d him/her. But this person is no spring chicken to Scn.
Penney Espinoza is also a name I know from my Dvr tenure (1989-2002), but I don’t believe I ever sup’d her.
Nice one xclassvstaff,
That pretty well lays it bare as regards ‘new recruits’ finishing new courses and ‘moving on up the bridge’.
Did you know a fellow named Chris who was on staff for a 2.5 yr contract after the Morgue went Idle. I think he was/is a chiropractor with a successful business in town. Hopefully he has returned to his practice and is doing well.
Hmmm…I know several guys named Chris or Kris, but I wasn’t around after they did the Idle Morgue thing. A Chris who’s a chiro doesn’t ring any bells.
More notes: Doug is still the ED; Claudio has been in for 20 years at least; same with Todd Zaspel that runs a catering business. Cindy is ex SeaOrg moved from LA. Miguel and Enrique are on staff. Bob McCarty also a long timer. Looks like maybe two new people if that.
So Doug is still ED, eh? I’d heard he was splitting Day/Fdn on the ED post with Glenda Kucera for a while. Is she still ED’ing as well?
I wonder if we know each other Mary. If we aren’t already friends on FB or some such, I always love getting in touch with Denverites who’ve left the fold.
Didn’t the Banks gang move, briefly, to San Jose? “Joe Banks” was my first OT close encounter — late 90’s or thereabouts. Staying in a room (the garage?) at a friend’s house, a yellow skeleton in a threadbare robe. “That’s Joe, he’s OT.”
I didn’t meet the Banks until they arrived at the Denver org in the mid 90’s. They’d already been in a while at that point. Lol on the mysterious OT story. 🙂
Bill Foster related to Dave Foster Flag Reg who slapped an Italian girl
to scam more money from,
Don’t believe Scientology in Colorado, they are roadkill.
I sell Cloning boxes to Colorado for growing marijuana
and I went over one million dollars in income and trending up.
Larry, and freak hybrids are big sellers
I hand out my own T shirts ( not yellow)
Jose – An idea – maybe you should sell some of your boxes for growing marijuana to the Denver Org. It would be an Ideal otherwise empty space to grow a supply and make much mullah for Miscavige. The aged congregation would think they were just pretty house plants. The COS could attract staff to sell Golden Age of Pot smoke assists as per the newly discovered LRH Toke Tech. (I swear I once saw a photo of LRH e-metering some pot plants alongside those famous spindly tomatoes in his greenhouse once.) The church can honestly say marijuana is not considered a drug since it is not purified and sold by the sykes – it is a botanical herb much like parsley.
Why are there names of people in that mag list of people I knew as AO & FSO public 35 years ago? Hmmm?
47X that’s why!
I’m curious if the Bill Foster is the same Bill Foster that used to be in the Guardian’s Office, and he was a tech person, I think both an author and Course Sup and he even did a critical video of sorts of Scientology which I see is now down, no longer on YouTube.
If he’s doing the Purif now, at the Denver Org, that’s be something of an interesting twist in history.
I wish normal official Scientologists were more frank and talkative as are the freezone Scientologists and ex Scientologists.
Official Scientology still holds people’s tongues unfortunately.
Bill if it’s the same old Bill Foster of the old Guardian’s Office (is it the Service Bureau that did the enhancement of the old GO staff, I understood that to have been Bill’s old job in the GO), then he has a long strange tale of being in and then out and sort of free speaking, and if he is the same I’d enjoy hearing his take on his Scientology life.
I’m enjoying Ron Miscavige Senior’s book.
This Bill Foster has been onlines in Denver since the 80’s (at least). I don’t think he’s who you’re thinking of. He’s African-American, married to Mary Foster with a couple of kids. I last saw him in 2002.
that answers this point, thanks. I was thinking if they let the other Bill Foster back in, and the ex GO Bill Foster put up some internet videos which I can’t find at the moment, showed he was unlikely himself ever to go back to them.
Acceptable truthing as a way of life. I recently received two mags, each from a different org hundreds of miles apart, in the same week. I checked out the success stories. One org published the first name and initial for the surname, the other simply published the storyteller’s initials. I found the same success story, word for word (only slightly abbreviated) by apparently the same person in both mags.
Then I noticed the scientology legalese. The heading for the success story section in both mags never said anything about these success stories being from the orgs’ fields. They were stories from “scientologists”.
I was dismayed to see the names of people I had known in the 70s. Most of them were decent people. I removed myself from the cult almost 35 years ago and still feel joy at being free from the vice grip they had on me. Next time I attend a Rockies game, I might mosey on by and have a look at the place.
Let us know what you see…or don’t see.
I have been by there several times. Have seen a couple of people entering the building but very little activity. The majority of people to be seen are the wogs at the sports bar across the street.
Did you check out the sports bar across the street? I mean, there’s nothing to see in and around the Model Idle Morgue. On the other hand, you can watch sports, grab a bite and have a beer! When I’m in a great sports bar, I’ve got everything I need to go OT!
If you come out here, Doug, I’ll introduce you to our beach sports bars. No doubt you’re going to love ’em! Especially one known as Fred’s Cantina.
I went in the sports bar to offer free personality tests but was asked to leave the premises. Would love to check out Fred’s Cantina.
It’s right across the street from the Huntington Beach Pier where I surfed in my youth. And the tacos at Fred’s are HUGE!
I have been on the Huntington Beach Pier so I may have been there.
Ok the ideal Morg is empty,they stopped training auditors But the word salad that little ankle biter eh, I mean Dear Leader spewed out when the opened the Ideal Morg in 2012 will go down in history:
“The moment you elected to take responsibility for Denver—to become Denver in the most meaningful sense—you invoked the very essence of that word responsibility. And consequent to that, it now becomes your responsibility to bring all our programs and technology to bear: To not just teach kids how to read, but to read with such passion it sparks a cultural renaissance. To not just cut drug consumption, but to end the misery once and for all. And to not just provide a moral compass, but a full-fledged technology for living based on a reverence for life. So, yes, some might say our goals are impossibly high. But as all great things must begin somewhere, then let it begin mile high—at your Ideal Church of Scientology Denver!”
I feel bad for the poor souls who had to listen to this.
I feel even worse for the poor suckers whose wallet was cleared.
Ignorance plus arrogance is roadkill.
If they are taking responsibility for Denver than why are the Nuggets not in the NBA playoffs? As previously discussed they successfully postulated the Broncos winning the Superbowl, but why would they neglect the Nuggets?
Ha ha, we’ll change William to Bill, and fool everyone! Zing!
Betting that if we went back another issue or six, we’d find a few more. And of course, there’s always the headless ones that might be buried in the mix, the total shoops.
Great find. Thanks.
Wow! This is evidence of panic and desperation. Surely the Denver public will notice this but they’re to either intimidated or euphoric about seeing their name in print again to say anything.
Great post!
Especially when they see their name in print 5,6 or even 7 times! Losers only get their name in the completions section once. I don’t know why they waste the ink to print their names…
Do you mean to tell me that scientologists lie?
That’s dishonest.
They wouldn’t make false stats, make up stats altogether or count stats twice just to double the number?
L. Ron Hubbard wouldn’t just make stuff up, not like Surfer Dude, surely.
What about Ethics? With LRH Ethics scientologists are the most valuable people on Earth! They told me so.
I happen to know that even I could join Sea Org, a regular guy like me.
They would even give me the privilege of putting my very own name on their sacred,
billion-year contract. You just can’t give a guy more than that! I think I still have more money to give them first, which is my great-grandmother’s retirement money, she is so slow! But, scientologists are so great, they don’t even care, I can borrow the money from anybody!
Too bad I can’t join the Sea Org twice, huh? I could double my stats, maybe even be the most valuable scientologist ever.
There are several reasons why their lies will stick to those still in the bubble:
1. Those in are so overwhelmed with the sheer mass of paper received on a daily basis, they will not read it.
2. If they do read it, they throw it away or recycle it immediately because to not do so would cause the person to be unable to enter their house due to the sheer volume of stacks of mail.
3. Who stays 2 months? Those people who’s names are repeated probably have long since left and are in hiding from the incessant regging.
Dave,
House of Cards Update:
A few years ago the corner of Hollywood and Highland was stated to be the busiest intersection in all of LA. That is when they added the corner to corner diagonal crosswalks to alleviate congestion. But the corner at the Test Center on Hollywood Blvd (a block away) it is eerily devoid of people on the Test Center side of the streets. Locals and not-so-green tourists KNOW not to go there.
Meanwhile, down on Sunset Blvd at DM Studios several staff are running around with a wild hair up where the sun does not shine, preparing for the big day of jerking-off the ribbon on Saturday.
Hi threefeetback, A great post! Had some really funny pictures in my head regarding the up coming Big Being Ribbon Yank!I am very happy to see a dreth of folks on Hollyweird Bvd on the test center side.
But times have changed a subway stop and angled pretty crosswalks @ Highland.What is the world coming to! Lol.Hollyweird is so dressed up now it really got the brand back!Not so when in 78 groups of Sea Org pre-teens started running amuck on the Blvd.By that time I was already well done as far as Ethics was concerned and I blew before I knew what those poor kids ended up doing.Meaning did any of them leave later in life.I really hope so.XO
Ann,
Prunes are passe and spinach is for Popeye. You are at your best when you have that ASHO lion on a leash and are kicking serious butt with your high heels.
Hmmmmm…..And I just thought it was the darkness emanating from the testing center that kept people away…
Not even the lonely receptionist can attract anyone.
They need a young, hot babe in a string bikini to get ANYONE even close to the testing center…
Even with the pumped up numbers another thing is also evident – there is NO Bridge ‘progress’ to speak of.
Objetives, Purif, one person on Grads and the GAT of altered tech books.
This is an absolute disaster for Miscavige, his leadership is shrinking by the minutes. His statistics are the worst in scn history! This is a big FLUNK!
can you ImaGINE? …
I spent so much time suffering through product conferences, ad councils, fp meetings.. oh lord – the intensity of the angst and pressure that must be going on.
Make no mistake, Miss Cabbage will probably die from blowing a gasket.
it’s so unthinkable that his Ideal Org GAT strat is not working… I love it.
Hi secretfornow, I love this post! I love that David cannot get his way with Ideal Org GAT.He is so clueless as are many who have big big bucks to toss to us slaves who will not ever understand that with money comes responsibility something David abandoned years ago it seems to me.Personal responsibility for his actions.Money does not buy laughter light loves d true forever friends.XX
Hi secretfornow, Edit Ann.Light loves and true forever friends.
Hi Sweetie. *blows kisses. Hope you’re well and having a relaxing evening. I’ve had a sweet day and have been thinking good thoughts. <3 Hope you are too. I do so admire you for all you've weathered. (I lurked some months prior to posting. 🙂
“…Miss Cabbage will probably die from blowing a gasket.” As a comic, I would love to take this to its natural end, but, it is low hanging fruit. I’ll let someone else complete it!
“You blow gaskets on Hollywood Boulevard” just doesn’t have the same frisson to it as the classic YSCOHB. I think I’ll stick with the latter.
Yep, low-hanging fruit.
Thanks for the finish, Espi! You always come to the rescue….
I WAS going to go with the “blowing” theme, but, I didn’t want to offend anyone here.
………:) guess I’m missing sumpin. Tis OK, I full embrace my aging and clueless grins. 🙂 Wanna Sandwich? I’ve grown fond of you and wish to feed you Dagwoods.
Booming backwards – just as Scientology is intended. ie get the money and, well… get more money and when you’re done with that (which is forbidden), you lie even more to steal more money. All in a day’s work inside the bubble.
I think you’re on to something with “Booming backwards,” I Yawn. They’re retreating in mass….
I’ll bet there’s no problem at all.
I’ll bet the public are all stuck in wins with floating TAs and they are too giddy with their Survival Rundown or their Extension Course/Basic Books Course wins so they are too blown out to even find the Org.
Uh oh. They’re going to need to get some new names for Issue 428:
Sum Ting Wong
Wi Tu Lo
Ho Lee Fuk
Bang Ding Ow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuUp0Np7lX4
And these names too:
M’Balz Es-Hari
Graabir Boubi
Haid D’Salaami
Hous bin Pharteen
I-bin Pharteen
I-zheet M’Drurz
https://vimeo.com/44169145
And then there are the guards from Dr. Klan’s secret base:
(Three names too close to the boundary of good taste to quote)
We don’t need no stinkin’ good taste here, Leslie! Let her blast!
LOL!
You forgot Ben Dover and Heywood Jablomi
Recent completions in the Hubbard course in asshattery:
Hu Phlung Du
Corey O. Graff
Mike Rotch
I.P. Daley
I. Seymour Butts
B.A. Ware
Fanny Hertz
Lewis N. Clark (drives a Ford Explorer)
I used Heywood Jablomi when I would call restaurants and have them page that person. I even used an accent on the phone and said the last name was from Africa to make it sound legit. Good times….
Graabir Boubi was a great friend of mine, but, we lost touch. Glad to see he’s around and ok. Man, did we have some great times together…
The way the “Completions Lists” are supposed to work is…every other month, a “Major” mag is sent to the “training and processing” list, which is a list of public who have done major services at an org. These are the people who will understand what those completions mean. The alternating month, a “Minor” mag is sent to ALL public, including book buyers, therefore they do not announce completions in the Minor mag for fear of giving MUs to book buyer public.
The completion list is supposed to be a record of 2 months worth of comps made since the previous “Major” mag.
On the last mag that I saw from my area a few weeks ago, there were ZERO auditing comps and the only training comps, either 3 or 4, were all long time public redoing courses. This is supposed to announce the completion production of 2 months! Pathetic.
Mona, I know that the two-month cycle (which they broke a long time ago) was the case at the advanced orgs and the “special orgs” like the CCs. Did that apply to the Class V Org magazines as well? This is an area of study that hasn’t really been tapped into that much. People who’ve looked at completions have concentrated on mags like Advance. The local rags haven’t really been analyzed.
This may be an interesting line of research to delve into.
YES.
This is what I was planning to post as I read the article. Minor mags don’t have comps.
I cringe thinking of the poor slobs who have to make up these mags and lists, and consider the ways in which they must justify the lack of production and repeating of names. The Tomorrow Tomorrow hope and think.
“we’re going to boom soon!”
It’s so deluded and sad.
Coincidentally, I just this morning received the last two local mags from Joburg Day ideal org. When I was in it used to have one entire page dedicated to completions. Neither of the two mags I just received showed any completions at all – just some of the blandest articles ever written by LRH: ARC, The Clear and just gems nobody has ever read before.
Once you are ‘out’, and have had time to reflect on all the lies and manipulation that went on and still goes on, you realize that Scientology has ZERO integrity. And absolutely no credibility.
I trust nothing they say.
yeah,
I’m kind of daily blown away as I realize the lies.
It’s fully and 100 percent OK and expected that you lie to all of your family and friends who are not IN. That’s just daily life.
You can’t ‘explain’ going to Flag for 6 months checks, what you did with your inheritance, why you can’t come visit for the weekend, how you can’t leave your VII materials locked up overnight at your house, what you do with your time in the Org, how much you’ve ACTUALLY SPENT on the bridge…
It’s blowing me away as I realize more and more things. This may go on forever. 🙂
Time of lingering effects when getting OUT can last about as long as one was IN. But then there is the Total Experience that has an effect on one’s lifetime (this can be a unique learning experience).
Just recently had another dream (not really a nightmare; actually cathartic). This is of a recurring theme (but always very different in form) of visiting Int; but, being well liked, everyone is in cahoots to keep DM from seeing me — by pulling the wool over his eyes. They know he cannot control me (the Hole is not an option) but will kick me off the Base if he sees me there.
Hi threefeetback, Another tremendous post.So agree on the lingering effects from the cult of David.And you too Ron,But I have found too that through all the blood sweat and tears of going with the memories of really bad stuff in Sea Org ,I try to understand why I get upset and that being free is the best gift of all.
Dreams boy have I had crazy ones,I like the wool pulling over David’s eyes.Lol!xoxo
funnily enough, I’ve had zero nightmares so far. A blessing. 🙂
secretfornow,
As you continue to cast off those things that Scientology heaped upon you, I just wanted to say that I am really glad you are here.
As a never-in, who has been a critic for nearly three years, it makes me feel good to see new faces here at Mike’s or at Tony’s, ESMB, etc. I know how hard the people before me and people now worked/work to get the word out.
I hope knowing that so many of us support you helps in some tiny way. Raising my coffee cup to you: Until they all come home. ☕❤
On the nose NOLAGirl. Well put.
Welcome 3FeetBack!
meant to say secretfornow ;o)
Hey! I’m a new face, NOLAGirl! No….wait…I’m just an old face. Damn!
I beg to differ OSD. You’re a kind, handsome face that we’re very lucky to have. Now, go tell Mrs. Dude not to kick my ass. LOL
Mrs. Dude is at the Aquarium of the Pacific training harbor seals and sea lions all day today.
Oh My Gawd, Nola and Stef, you guys are so great.
Getting out is WILD. it’s just beyond everything. I can only liken it to the Matrix. Back when I saw those movies it tweaked me, it made me worry a bit – “what if my life is like that?”. Something in those movies really resonanted.
hahahaha!
Fast forward some years, and …I went through a bunch of trauma regards SCN and auditing, and VII and and… then..poof.
It’s wild. My entire life has become meaningless. and a lie.and so many many thoughts.
To make matters worse, I’m married to devout. So life is different now.
Much can not be spoken of.
Processed alone.
I have a select person (never in) I can speak with.
I’ve been afraid to post. Do they snoop and ferret out who we are?
After awhile, I can’t hold back. Can’t take it alone anymore, take the chance and dive in and add my voice.
OH
If only I could shout from the rooftops.
Until then, I just have this: I love you all.
So very very much.
You are all helping me.
Tears are just pouring out of my eyes. I cannot imagine what you are going through but please know that there are better, happier days ahead and that there is so much real love and real friendship out here for you.
I wish I had words to make it all better, but there are none that can fix it all. What I can say with certainty is that you have a group of supporters larger than you can imagine and we will be here when you need us. *hugs*
Stay strong, and know that We Love You Too!! ?❤
Nola, I’m really OK. It’s odd, but the main thing I feel is just absolute relief. (thank you thank you, you doll face)
It’s ODD to have my entire last (almost) 40 years become meaningless – but maybe.. maybe I’m still in shock. Maybe there is a numb quality. or…maybe we’re just resilient creatures….
As you all know, getting out is an amazing process. All the ways of thinking are different, all the things we thought were true, all our ways of dealing with things, it’s all just different.
I DO feel like a kid again. I got in when I was a kid, so it’s like …I have no idea what it is to just … be a person.
I crave to be able to speak with others like myself.
Not an Indie. Indies don’t get it. Indies are still IN.
Not someone who still values any kind of Hubbard stuff. That’s not it either. .. Who cling to any shred of rightness.
Also…someone who did the OT levels. Someone who was staff and trained… someone like me… but
ahead of me.
🙂
So that’s all of you in various ways, and it’s so valuable.
Those who came out without this circle of support, oh – they’re the ones who had it tough.
I get why people want to write books. It’s like wanting to be heard. ‘This is my story, this is how it happened, this is how I got here – and I’m still finding out what HERE really is”.
We were taught and believed that then entire world was bad, worthless, other fish to fry. They were all the enemy and other fish frying.
Going to college, BBQs, family, watching a movie, Doctors, the entire Medical profession, sewing and dancing and spending time on beach with a book.
Inventors, explorers, history, Einstein, the long glorious past – nothing mattered. Nothing was right or true except the gospel according to Hubbard.
No good action was good unless it forwarded SCN. Nothing was useful unless it helped Clear the Planet.
I have lost the last 40 years
but I’ve gained the entire world, past, present, and future.
It’s a good trade.
I love you all.
I am glad you are doing well. We will always be here for you. I don’t know if you’ve been watching any of Chris Shelton’s videos but I thought you might like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6-H59GWewY
Stay thirsty my friend, there is much knowledge and friendship out here for you. ❤
Welcome to the sunlight, Secretfornow. And to answer your question, YES they do read the blogs and try to figure out who is writing under which pen name. Sometimes it’s easy for them to know because your own kids turn you in and snoop on your computer and get your pen name and give it up to the Scn ethics handlers. But don’t let that stop you from commenting. Now that Ron Miscavige’s book is out as well as Leah’s and others, I think they are short handed with personnel and they have bigger fish to fry. So write away under your pen name and join others like you.
thanks. 🙂
I wrote about how my darling daughter was raised in and around it but never chose it. She’s over the moon with me being OUT.
No worries on being “turned in”.
But I was more wondering about hacking and tracing back IP addreses and what-not.
I wrote to Mike from a library computer to ask about it, before I posted, but I didn’t hear back, and finally just took the plunge.
I am not going to divulge specifics too much, though I’d like to.
Hence, “secretfornow”.
I’m tied very closely to IN, so I can’t just speak freely.
Now that I’m OUT I find that to be ludicrous. That I can’t speak freely without being labelled as EVIL.
It’s quite funny, “the only crime is being there and communicating”.
YUP.
Someday….someday…I will be free of it. I won’t put up with this forever.
I walked that same tightrope for several years, secretfornow. As far as worrying about IP addresses being traced, you likely don’t have much to worry about. They only have so many resources to harass all of us who are not on board. Unless you are making particularly large waves, they won’t put a ton of effort into tracking you down. But if you want to take extra precautions, I recommend using a TOR server from your home computer. https://ssd.eff.org/en/module/how-use-tor-windows
It is definitely an experience of pulling back layers. I’ve been out for 6 years now, and it’s still happening to me, too.
Fortunately, lots of great folks out here in the “wog” world to help you through it. 🙂
So very, very glad you’re out, xclassvstaff! You now have your old life back. Feels great, doesn’t it? We wish you all the best living life on YOUR terms! Woo Hoo!
Lordy, yes, Old Surfer Dude!! So much better now. All the old knee jerk reactions of feeling guilty for the tiniest errors in a day, always panicking about the time (all that roll calling and staff musters), introverting on how much you suck while working lowers AGAIN, not to mention the wog world is full of all kinds of great people and ideas and big fat life!!
THIS.
YES.
SCN taught me to constantly judge my every action and thought.
No matter what I was doing, it wasn’t enough.
Outwardly I was mostly fine, but deep down inside, there was the constant pressure and worry.
……..
There’s nothing like living with 6 month checks to drive you insane as regards to the minutia of the thousand possible overts committed every day.
(“I walked by that piece of paper on the ground I have to go back and pick it up!”)
Right?!! The things you feel are overts! It just spirals into every action is an overt from some angle or other. And the more active you are, the more you try to help, the more overts you end up committing. Because “your awareness and ethics level are so much higher.”
You never have to do a 6 month check again! Woot!!
I think there is one thing you can be absolutely certain about regarding the cherch Zola. Whatever is said or done is based on deception and ulterior motive. There are NO EXCEPTIONS.
Yo Dave and you OSA goons reading this ‘tripe’,
Know this good buddies, no matter how much security you put in, no matter the grilling you do to only allow the true believers into the grandiose opening of you new KSHIT studios, the truth will get out. There will be reports made and photos taken. I suggest you even sec check everyone before they get on the bus and confiscate all cell phones just to be sure …… Dave. And be sure to tell everyone that these measures are being taken because you are protecting them from the Ess Pees out there.
But we know that is not your real motive Dave. Your motive is to have an excuse to find out who the dissaffecteds are in your midst so you can out them before they do further damage to other members of your shrinking cult.
You won’t find them Dave. They and we know the truth and we can look your meters in the eye and f/n the question. Why is that Dave? It is because when one knows the truth and has integrity and purpose, you can always be f/ning in life because you are doing the greatest good for the greatest number ………Dave. And remember, you know and we know there is no Oh Tee nine and/or ten. Your meters don’t work either.
So who is it that keeps sending the Oh Tea Committee minutes out? Who is your biggest traitor today Dave?
Find em, git em and throw em in the hole. You be da-man ……………… Dave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow!
I want to thank COB for being such a SOB as to inspire me to write my Anti-CoS novel. I’ve just the passed 20,00 words, which is 1/4 to 1/5 the minimum word count, depending on which publisher I submit to.
Just like a college freshman who thinks the teaching assistant won’t check sources for term paper, the hammer comes down. Well, at least its baseball season, and they can rent out their parking lot for Diamondback games. Maybe the lights will stay on, maybe not.
Thank you Unknown Source, you have lifted the curtain very nicely.
Well, it’s Rockies games since this is Denver Idle Morgue, but I’m sure that if Phoenix Idle Morgue could do the same for Diamondbacks games, they would. Anything for a buck.
Colorado Rockies, Arizona Diamondbacks
In answer to your question, Mike, “Can you believe ANYTHING in scientology?”
Emphatically, NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not a single word, statistic or PR pronouncement can be believed. None of their success stories can be believed. None of the glowing reports about their glorious leader can be believed. None of BS coming out of their lawyers mouths can be believed. None of their denials about disconnection and savage abuse can be believed. etc. etc. etc.
This is an organization that brags and brags about living with the truth, exposing the truth and professes to be the most ethical group on the planet.
I truly wonder what all those ideal staff members actually DO all day.
I thought it was a trick question…
This is easily explained.
These Scientologists have seen that once you reach the top of the bridge to OTViii, they will have to repeat everything. So their solution is to just go ahead and repeat whatever service they have completed, right away.
So issue 427 isn’t a lie, it just that they are completing their service a second time.
Upvote to this comment…many, many times!
Clearing the planet vs Clearing wallets. Classic, but sadly true.