There are two the things needed to keep the believers believing – convincing them it’s an “us against them” world and that there is urgency to the good fight – “the end of the world is nigh.”
This is pretty common in any fundamentalist organization. LRH was no exception.
This is one of his ramblings from 1965. He published it in The Auditor. It was meant for all scientologists to read.
He explains, with absolute certainty, that scientology will determine whether your “kid will ever see sixteen.” Scientology certainly didn’t change the world in the ensuing 16 years, and by 1981 everyone’s child had reached 16 regardless of what L. Ron Hubbard said or scientology did.
like so many of Hubbard’s all-knowing predictions, this was at best hype and at worst a total con.
But amazingly, they still offer up such crazy predictions, though HALF A CENTURY LATER, his dire predictions did NOT come true.
Like other cults that have predicted the end of the world, when the day comes and passes it only serves to strengthen the resolve of the followers that they must have faith. Scientologists probably believe they HAVE prevented civilization from going “BANG!”… After all, Ron said only we can prevent earth from blowing up — and it has not blown up so we must be successful.
This is the same “ron said it so it is true” “logic” they use to “prove” their overwhelming “success” because “the squirrels are screaming”.
Scientology — it’s a mad, mad, mad world.
It is a great quote. I read it 38 years ago when I joined the SO. Now, I didn”t say it was true; it was just effective. It made me into a win or die in the attempt SO member. Then, when it became obvious that there was no win to be had; partly because I was being fought by the same people I had given my life to support; there was nothing left to do but die. Now I am not quite dead yet, but death could come at any time. And when he does come; assuming he is a he, I will be ready for him; knowing that I gave my best to both sides.
And they still use this reference in every recruit pack I’ve come across, whether it be staff recruiting or SO recruiting.
Terra said, ” after all, Ron said only we can prevent earth from blowing up — and it has not blown up so we must be successful.”
I have a very large English Mastiff dog and she keeps all of the dragons out of my back yard. There are no dragons in my back yard, therefore she’s successful at keeping the dragons at bay. This statement is no less logical than what I’ve quoted from Terra; it applies the same type of faulty logic.
“We’ve got our sleeves rolled up for a 12 hour day and a sixty hour week.”
Geez, roll your sleeves down. That’s a part-time schedule by today’s Scientology standards.
I can’t fathom how Travolta , Cruise and other supposedly intelligent ppl can believe this End of the World shit. They must have realized it by now…either won’t admit it..
Or so self absorbed. Want the money either way
An 8 yr old would know its bullshit ?
who wouldn’t be Sold on a Statement “We We Mean it” & If We win at wholesale ppl & Mike maybe you can help me out here,okay ppl in the Cult work reg jobs then put many hours into classes learning about Stuff most of us ppl have No Clue about imo more like a language & life of a forgotten ppl so do they teach any skills like how to make fire w/o a match,how to build houses,Med care for the ppl,how to properly shut down the Nukes seeing all of us are gone & they are all that’s left,the power grids,communication & they’d need to dispose of all the bodies laying around & have Meds for diseases so can they make those ? would need be smart to start from scratch,Flights an entire infrastructure,grow food,keep it safe to eat the works esp when in all my years I’ve never met anyone who belongs to that group but can’t be nearly enough to clean up the Worlds Mess seeing that floating mess in the Ocean as for as I know is still there along w messes all over the globe & I’d think it might be hard to complete any job when you’d have ppl telling on each other while trying to re build the world esp when you along w others keep saying there’s a lack of communication from within & all the Money they have would be good for what it’s just them so I’d think they’d need Nature skills,building skills & if Ron came back where would he get his smokes & drugs most drugs needed come from other Countries,makes me wonder an Outsider if anyone thought anything about any of this & that and that Mission statement or ? it was had reg flags all over it,maybe this & that w FEAR about your children gotta Luv the fear Nothing much say’s I’m in over Fear which I do understand & ended up in lots of therapy even w My God which took lots of years to hear he’s a Loving God just like a loving parent,they just want us to be our best, give our best & he’s a forging God but the RLH maybe he’d be better off writing books where in his mind can go & be ? he wants and maybe he has a bit of low self esteem issue & possible other brain issues. Well Mike have a Great day…
Dead Line Earth.
It’s a shore story, just like invading Clearwater, Fl. Or any other city setting up Missions or Orgs, for a price and money. Or maybe Rhodesia which Hubbard failed at, and was kicked out, and gave a reason why, LOL.
Gotta give Hubbard credit for persistence, and even DM, but I’m also a proponent of the White Rose and the Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo. Resolute, defiance I am.
you may ask yourself, what’s the shore story, the behind the scenes real reason.
All men are my slaves, for one.
Whaddya mean, YOUR slaves, they’re MY slaves. Mine, I tell you!
This is your friendly Anon talking. Invest in Sonar panels. If Hubbard heared of them he would promoted them.
Here at the Gateway to the Gateway to the Sierra Nevada, we’ve had solar since the middle of Feb, and e
we’ll get a check next year for the KWh we contributed to the grid. They also have some upcoming approaches that will improve efficiency, like harvesting two low-energy quanta and turning them into a high-energy quanta that generates a current. You might think of it as the Photonic Octagon: Two enter, and only one leaves. C?⚛?
Just like a certain president we know. o0
If you are talking about the Orange Overlord, I think that’s actually not true. Trump does the over-the-top BS boasting that Hubbard did (Dianetics will give you so many yuuuge wins you’ll be tired of winning!) but I don’t recall much in the way of prophecies of DOOM. I think Obama did a little of that, but his style was always more like an ad for a course or book. – the self-help airy rhetoric (Unlock your inner potential for Hope and Change with Operating Hawaiian Level 3.14!). GWB would be like one of those bizarre Hubbard lectures where he invents words out of nothing. Hubbard wishes he was as slick as Bill Clinton.
Or was there another president you were thinking of?
LRH – like him, love him, hate him, or despise him had many lofty, ongoing goals. Trump differs from LRH in that Trump had one last goal, which he achieved. His over the top boasting and prophecies of doom got him elected President of the United States. No small thing, this. But now, with his one true goal achieved, Schmuck a l’Orange’s can, and will, self-destruct. Fascinating to watch.
I loved the comment made in a book I read that when this individual came aboard the ship & met Hubbard, he had this “bump” on his forehead & thought to himself “wow…is this what happened to Hubbard as result of being The Source? Sprouting a “horn” in the middle of his forehead! LOL
That was a skin cancer on his forehead.
I’m no skin expert but Hubbard had a cyst which created the hideous bump on his forehead.
Oh, a cyst. Maybe it wasn’t a skin caner then. A cyst makes more sense because a skin cancer that big would have long spread thru his system and killed him.
My guess is a sebaceous cyst.
http://www.healthline.com/health/sebaceous-cyst#causes2
Guys guys guys…….. that bump on LRH’s head is an alcoholic drug crazed BT condo attempting to free themselves from the commodore’s head.
BUMP
Bt Urban Mass Population……… Bump!
I agree. Too bad he hated doctors- it could have been fixed.
He was a cancer with a skin thing on his forehead.
I remember Diana at the Palladium or the Shrine saying with tone 40 finality,” Earth will be clear in 1980 something or other.” (Forgot the actual date)
We all sat there thinking, “this is Diana, daughter of Zeus, she must know something we do not. We all stood up and gave one of those manic everlasting standing ovations.
What a dream!
As I am thinking about this planet clearing doctrine I realized that buying into Scientology’s and Ron’s “only way” status must be agreed to first.
The mouse trap goes like this:
1) blow some charge or resolve some issue in auditing
2) agree that Ron’s tech is the ONLY means to free humanity. Something he implanted.
3) Ron says we don’t have time and every man women and child will
die a horrible death is we don’t make it a Scientology planet. Something he implanted
4) then we decide that FSMing to clear the planet is our divine duty. We sacrifice our whole lives for this delusion of clearing the planet?
I remember in the NY Org in the hotel Martinique early 70s when I was a Sea Org member, the GO would conduct a visualization after course hrs for GO and Sea Org.
We would all stand in front of a huge map of earth and visualize a Scientology planet.
Looking at this state of mind that I was in is a bit embarrassing.
Guys, remember thinking that we were going to take over the planet!!??? What utter insanity!
Remember Ron saying,”the planet is ours, no body else wants it.” I think that was the statement.
Ron was big on selling that we had to survive “across the dynamics.” But in retrospect we did not.
That is because it was the 3rd dynamic (Scientology) and the 4th dynamic (new customers) that were the most important dynamics.
In fact we Scientologists felt a feeling of moral superiority when we would sacrifice ourselves (1st dynamic), our family (2nd) and our material well being (6th dynamic) for that cleared planet.
We worked hard to make sure that those suit cases of cash to Luxembourg were full. That was how Ron saw the clear planet. Everyone being cleared of their money.
We sought to clear the planet and take it over for Ron. My God that is so delusional!!’
We visualized clearing the planet while Ron visualized more frequent trips to off shore accounts.
The whole experience was insidious. A slow devolution of independence.
And as Scientologists, we were guilted by the group if we were perceived as only surving on the first or second dynamic.
I was actually wanting to go to college and Helen Geltman, an OT7 Class 8 auditor convinced me, a boy of 18 years old, to not go to school because I will learn everything I want to know as an OT. I believed her.
I am so hoping that Aftermath can throw light on Ron’s methodology of thought control.
The linchpin that holds these lies in place which makes Scientology seem like an overwhelmingly unsolvable enigma is…………
A DIRECT LOOK AT THE ACTUAL LIFE OF L RON HUBBARD. THE SOURCE.
THE HYPNOSIS, THE FEAR, THE CONFUSION, THE LACK OF CLARITY, LACK OF SELF CONFIDENCE ALL START TO RESOLVE WHEN WE RUN THE BASIC BASIC INCIDENT.
THE BASIC BASIC ON THE CHAIN OF THE IMPLANT CALLED SCIENTOLOGY IS L RON HUBBARD HIMSELF. HE IS BASIC ON THE CHAIN.
RUN HIM OUT AND WE WILL BE FREE OF THE HYPNOSIS.
The first step to running out the basic on the chain called L Ron Hubbard is to resurrect that one human power he worked so hard to demonize………………
Independent-sovereign-criticism.
Maybe a good auditing command to extricate Ron from the mind is:
CREATE A CRITICAL THOUGHT ABOUT L RON HUBBARD……. THANK YOU
CREATE ANOTHER CRITICAL THOUGHT ABOUT L RON HUBBARD….. THANK YOU
Repeat until VVGIs
End Phenomenon:
Free to criticize L Ron Hubbard with no guilt being triggered in the mind
Free from the hypnotic influence of L Ron Hubbard.
Freedom from feeling guilty about not saving the planet
Freedom from feeling guilty for nurturing ouselves
The complete and final realization that L Ron Hubbard was who he really was, not what his PR machine implanted in our receptive and open minds.
I *love* this auditing command. By George, I think you’ve got it!!! ROFL When 81-82 rolled around, I realized I had nothing further to gain…and left. No one noticed I’d gone and I was quite happy with that. I guess that was because so many others were leaving at the same time, having been jolted by the creepy methodology used to kill off the mission holders and steal all their monies in one fell swoop. (Or is that “one swell foop? ) I kept the connections to the ones I wanted to and even some who are still in and simply don’t know I left. None of their business, actually. I kept the very best one, too, and am happily married/bonded to her. Only the good cameraderies of the late 60s and very early 70s remains in my mind. Those were good times. lllllllllllllll That, of course, was not to be tolerated. So “fun” was quickly stamped and the drive for 10% monthly increases, higher stats or else and the concept of general dominance took over. And the bad times really began. They’ve not stopped since.
I think this is OT X level thinking.
In every mystical school, save one, the last page is always blank.
Gautama Buddha’s last statement was that he was sad to go, since everyone had to work it out for themselves from hereon.
Similar statements can be found in the New Testament.
Aleister Crowley told followers NOT to believe in him, but to test his experiments for themselves, and to make their own tests.
Aldous Huxley had plenty of answers, and questions, but if you read his last works, it’s all, wish I could stick around, but my throat’s bothering me…
What distinguishes Hubbard from these worthies is more an inability to let go than anything else. Like AA, you never graduate, you just keep on going back to school, as if every Ph.D would need a refresher course in kindergarten after having proven their acumen in independent thought. (Yes, I know about all the horrors and sorrow he caused in other ways. But this is where he TOTALLY slips up.)
I am completely awed by your post. Good work!
Hi Brian: You majestically stated the real aims of Scientology in just two short sentences. “Ron saw the clear planet. Everyone being cleared of their money.” People like you, Mike and others who were on the front lines of “this thing” as Leah Remini describes it, are doing a tremendous service. Those, especially the vulnerable, may avoid getting sold into joining “this thing,” and hopefully members and their families will bail out. You and those attacked by “this thing” are doing more good than you know.
Just got my copy of the latest Source mag, courtesy of your and my least-favorite cult, and was thumbing idly through it when I happened upon this very interesting stat claim on page 25:
“At the Flag AO more than 1,000 Scientologists arrived onto Solo NOTs in 2016, which is four times the volume of any other year.”
Another way of saying the exact same thing is that in every year that Flag has been in existence, except 2016, no more than 250 $cilons ever made it onto Solo NOTs in all that time.
While I’m sure that the cult is lying about this stat, like they do every other, they never false report their stats in the negative direction! So, by it’s own admission, the most high-volume advanced org on the planet has never seen more than 250 $cilons route onto Solo NOTs in any given year until 2016…that’s just soooo pi-ti-full!
Ummm…sorry, sorry for for the the duplication duplication. My computer did it and I bear no responsibility whatsoever 😉
Whoa! That’s one smart computers!
Harpoona, as you may have seen me note before, I’m always looking for the (small) kernel of truth that may be found in Scientology claims
“1,000 Scientologists arrived onto Solo NOTs in 2016” is an awkward phrase, that I’m guessing involves some Orwellian re-definition, re-structuring, or forced repetition. I suspect the underlying truth is something like that they’ve had up to 250 people start on Solo NOTs in previous years (which fits with numbers cited here a while back), but that in 2016 all 1,000 people then on Solo NOTs (which runs for multiple years) somehow were counted as newly “arrived.” The other possibility is something like that they found 750 people who weren’t really ready to start Solo NOTs, perhaps who put down a prepayment to start the level in the future – quite possibly lured by a discount, much as they’ve gotten people to pre-pay for the OT 9 and 10 levels that don’t even exist yet – and who then got counted as “arrived” along with the regular 250 or so who did really start in 2016.
If Scientology goes on much longer, the truth is going to end up bent beyond recognition.
THAT happened many decades ago!!!
OR … All twelve people on solo nots were counted every time they “arrived” for a meal … adds up and throw in arrivals for snacks and ethics interviews …
*clearing EARTH??? why can’t they at least clear Clearwater … or Hollywood … considering those places have the highest concentration of Scios … or clear an org maybe at least …
Is there any over-sight of all of scientology’s money???? or can dm hide it all off-shore in his name and eventually sail off into the sunset??? hmmmm … just wonderin
Pat, it seems like the IRS probably at least exercises some oversight to ensure that Scientology’s vast assets are accounted for; at least as of the 1993 agreement, they seemed pretty strict about forcing Scientology to put all their cards on the table.
My take, is that Miscavige is something like a typical totalitarian leader, who can’t imagine anything except dying with their boots on. If you look to history, Ferdinand Marcos was the last major dictator who actually managed to settle in to lavish exile – in the 1980s; and arguably also Haiti’s “Baby Doc” Duvalier from the same era (who ended up returning to Haiti, apparently broke, to face prosecution, before he died).
“The millions in suitcases” doesn’t work any more so funds have to be transferred via the banking system. I’m sure *that* is being tracked and the accounts identified. Too much hanky panky and the bankers themselves will begin to shout.
Pat, if the IRS weren’t a presence then DM probably would not be dumping millions into empty buildings to satisfy IRS non-profit spending regulations…
But, that doesn’t me that he cannot legally become filthy rich from the scam. It just takes longer
There will always be someone intent on saving the planet. In the 70s, I was intent on saving the whales. They are still around so I must have done my job 😉
LRH was an expert at working us into a lather. He had a sort of charisma when he got talking and could spin a yarn and make you believe he came up with the solution to [insert problem here] while spouting others’ words as a solution.
Imagine the long con. A pulp fiction author writes a book called dianetics based on “research” performed on maybe one or two subjects at most. His claims are all generalities, he says that every time something, blah blah blah. He claims women more often than not try to kill their unborn child. He talks about sexual aberrations. Amazingly, the public goes wild! wild! I tell you over this claptrap.
Then he mismanages all the money he makes from the dianetics and goes bankrupt so he invents scientology based loosely on dianetics but different enough to not violate the copyrights he lost to others. By now he has gotten good at selling snake oil. I imagine him making up more and more absurd notions just to keep ahead of the curb. Oh my! he says, people bought that, well let’s throw this at them. And on and on and on yada yada yada
Why did we buy all this? Because we bought the first premises we were fed: That LRH knew what he was doing. That he was a war hero and a college graduate, that he had done actual research, that the words we were reading were not plagarized. Had we not bought the first lies, we may not have been sucked into the long con.
The earth may yet go BOOM. If it does, it is more likely to go BOOM because impatient rude people are pushing people out of their way in an effort to push their agenda on someone else than because someone loved someone and showed some patience. Just my 2 cents.
Valerie, I’m super sorry, but if you use the phrase “my 2 cents” again, I’ll have to sue you for plagiarism, unless you can prove that our discoveries of it ocurred independently.
LOL sue away. I’m older and have more insurance (to plagiarize a line from one of my favorite movies). Plus my 2 cents are safely in my change purse (with very little company) so I know they’re mine! All mine!!! Bwa ha ha ha.
Hahahaha love Fried Green Tomatoes!!!!
My 2 Cents, nice satire. 🙂
I really appreciate your posts Valerie. The stories from those who were there are riveting for me.
Your stories are valuable to us. Thank you for telling them❤️
Mike, the original movie saying was: Its a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World.
YEs, a classic.
You can never have too many ‘Mad’s.
Good points, Mike! And let’s not forget that LRH wrote that we must have an outside enemy which we fight and win, otherwise the game will be “getting you” (meaning the leader), and they will cannibalize and fight amongst themselves and thus destroy the group. He said that in the Games reference and in Green Vols references too. Also George Orwell said it in the book, “1984” where they are always at ward with one of the 2 other super powers. And the government in that book periodically changes who they are at war with and the sheeple don’t even stop to think, “well wait a minute — last month we were at war with Eurasia and now you tell me Eurasia is my ally and we are instead at war with Eastasia?” No one questions it. But being at war was necessary to galvanize the sheeple.
Gee, thanks Mike and Old Dude. Now I’ve got that damned DAMNED song ringing in my head!!! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR1
OSD That movie is so damn funny! If anyone has not seen it I highly recommend it. So many classy actors. I must have seen it 7 times over the years and watched it with my kids. Just the mention of it makes me laugh. it is time to pull it up to watch yet again this time with the grandchildren. Thanks for all the hard work Mike we are looking forward to the sneak peek on A&E Monday and season 2 you rock!
Evil begets evil!! The other evening I watched a docudrama about charles manson and the sharon tate murders. I didn’t follow the story back in 1969 because I was as pregnant as Sharon Tate at the time and didn’t want to let that evil in. During manson’s last stay in prison before the murders, he studied hypnotism and religion in the jail library and upon release from prison, used the teachings of (you guessed it) scientology
to lure people into his cult and commit all those horrific murders. He’s old and sick now and probably will meet up with his old mentor, hubbard, in hell soon.
When I entered in 1972, I read something by Hubbard about nuclear war coming as a result of the Viet Nam War. Hubbard knew how to tap into the fears of his day. I never took Hubbard seriously on these predictions so I could never join the Sea Org. But I stayed in to learn more about this man and his views.
When my daughter was in high school, she just happened to listen to a clip from a Hubbard tape. She could not believe his childish interpretations of historical events.
Hubbard was obviously self-educated and boy did he make a lot of mistakes!
But Hubbard always tried to cover his tracks. In 1980 he wrote the OT VIII Student Briefing to predict the final Armageddon. For him, it was a battle between the Marcabs and Galactic Government. He covered his tracks by placing his predictions centuries into the future.
Hubbard’s mind was turned sour, gone mad by his own desire. He crossed the line between the subject and object and never looked back. And Saturday I got a call from
the folks in Scientology asking for my correct address so that they can start sending stuff.
So the lady asks “Have you completed any Scientology Services?” I could have said yes and that I finished OT VIII in 1989. What would be the point? Just leave me alone. And so the lady from Scientology thinks I know nothing about Hubbard. Strange subject this stuff. But obviously Hubbard could tap into a new mind with ease. Lady from Scientology is completely sold on Hubbard. I think Brian is right when he says it is hypnotism. How else could this be?
I’ll add in also that after I got off the phone on Saturday, it hit me how poorly the laws protect someone in my situation. Hubbard was free to sell his nonsense in 1972. Scio is still free to call me in 2017. Like a whole generational cycle had gone by and this dead dude is still deluding young people. Someone like me gets into Scientology 45 years ago and goes to OT VIII. I find out what crap it is, and then I get phone calls with no legal recourse. The Lady at the other end is totally clueless. She is probably younger than my daughter. But the First Amendment protects Hubbard but not me. So people join the Sea Org. They have ruined lives. No one cares. It is a phony religion. So I am the one who needs to explain the BS to them. Very strange interpretation of rights. Like I’m into them for a few hundred thousand; cannot even get $6,000 back in the mail. This dude copies occult stuff from a few books; messes up his own mind. Bad Karma.
All of what you’ve described is the hazard of freedom of religion in this country. Buyer beware! Philosophy is one thing, religion is quite another. The Jehovah’s Witnesses can knock on your door and wake you up, the dystopean types of Evangelicals can scream and rant about how we’re all doomed and its the end of the world and so forth on street corners, and the Scientologists can go onto Been Verify.com and find your new address, emails and phone numbers and track you down to get you back. These religions exist next to the sane, considerate religions and have the same rights. Buyer beware.
“Philosophy is one thing, religion is quite another.” And spirituality is quite different than either. 🙂
Yes, true. Spirituality.
Hey George,
Your encounter with that reg reminded me of this moment:
I was in the Glendale Galleria recently and there was a Scientology kiosk and a nice friendly older man handing out cards or flyers. We locked eyes and he was thinking,”I’m going to approached this guy” meaning me.
This man was love bombing me and I love bombed him back. I stopped where he was standing and he attempted to hand me a Scientology pamphlet.
Standing in front of each other with TRs in I say with a sincere smile, “I’m an SP”
I wish I had this on video. It was such a study in seeing a mind being triggered by hypnosis. It was like I was the audience watching the hypnotist give his command on stage and the subject just goes under in a trance. This guy went into a trance.
This poor guys smile morphed into a violent state of confusion. The light in his eyes, his friendly demeanor was transformed, in an instance, into a confused state of hate.
After I did my shopping I had to come back that way again. This man avoided looking at me this time.
Instead of me getting angry or feeling offended, I felt a deep sadness for him. He was an older man thinking he is saving the planet. I prayed for him instead and silently wished him well.
Nice, Brian. You had the right understanding attitude.
I like the way you responded Brian. I said to her “I was declared suppressive by your church” She responded with “Oh Wow”. Then she asked more questions. The lack of eye contact made a difference.
One time I decided to chat with a Hare Krishna dude on the sidewalk to see if I could “set him straight” with my newfound knowledge from scn. He knew a bit about scn. His viewpoint was “philosophy without God is empty”. I had no answer for that. We wished each other well and went on our way with different viewpoints on spirituality.
Take a look at this one Richard!
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10848770500489037
L Yash – Good one! “God without philosophy is blind” would have been a good comeback. lol
It was just a pleasant conversation. He knew I wasn’t going to (immediately) become a Hare Krishna, and I knew he wasn’t going to (immediately) become a scn-ist.
12 hour days and 60 hour weeks? Wait, I thought panty-waist dilletantes never achieved anything.
“We’ve got our sleeves rolled up for a twelve hour day and a sixty hour week.”
Yeah, that’s a slackard’s work week. Our SO work schedule was usually 14 (or more) hour days and 7 days a week. Our work week was closer to 100 hours. During a special project (e.g., renos), which sometimes went on for weeks, we’d work 20 hours before getting a 4 hour nap.
The 60 hour weeks are a dream! That’s only 12 hours times 5 days, equals 60 hours per week! With two days off! That’d be heaven compared to current Sea Org and full time outer org student study schedules.
I think that LRH reference OUGHT to be used as THE reformed schedule, that’d give them all a huge push back to normalcy if they followed the Date Line Earth LRH schedule!
What?
Use a policy from LRH?
Oh, Chuck. You know DM would never allow that!
I remember very well listening to a number of crazy conversations in and about the academy on how LRH must have worked really hard “behind the scenes” with his OT magic and must have averted so many disasters that mankind should be a lot more grateful & it’s only a matter of time before everyone sees that. Geezers, I know I was drinking the cool aid at the time but that sort of talk sure helped me make up my mind there’s a growing number of very silly people in Scientology. It’s funny how you start to distance yourself from ‘crazy talk people’ without even really having to think about it very hard. If it was child you wouldn’t think twice about it, it’s just natural imagination but when adults do it – that experience seems to lay some instant ground rules for future associations.
Trying to have an intelligent conversation with a Scientologist would be like trying to pick up marbles with oily fingers, you can see it, even feel it but you just can’t grasp it. Gullibility and false hope is something Scientology depends upon for its existence. The fact they use the misery of life as a tool to acquire money and devotion is way beyond simple criminality and they are in a disgusting league all of their own.
I seem to recall too that when the Berlin wall came down hearing Scientologists giving credit to Hubbard for it – geezers!
So much self-aggrandizement in this and Hubbard’s other writings. Hubbard lifts ideas and wording from other people’s work. The “few” likely comes from “Never was so much owed by so many to so few – .” Then there’s Hubbard’s creed which includes a few lines similar to the US Declaration of Independence. Of course a few of his standout “codes” are strikingly similar to the Ten Commandments or the Eight Beatitudes or the Magna Carta. When Hubbard did his “exteriorization” thing through the Van Allen Belt, and aptly described it as “hot,” did he by any chance float by Winston Churchill, Thomas Jefferson, Moses, Jesus, John-The King of England or at least James Van Allen? What a lunatic!
Also I love how Hubbard paved the way for “fair gaming” and destroying people.
“And we intend to take out of the road anything we have to take out of the road, no matter how big”.
Yeah well how about A & E, Leah and Mike. I think that You have met your match Mr. Blubbard.
And all the other big roadblock people as well. Thanks to all of you.
It could be suggested by the Scientology dehumanizing system so created that Hubbard was in perpetual war with life itself and took it out on anyone he could influence, friend or foe, it’s all the same to Hubbard!
Hubbard, when you think about it was probably the most “offensive” man you could ever hope to meet. “Always attack, never defend,” that’s Hubbard for you!
Yup!, in his drug-addled, paranoid mind, the only defense was to be offensive.
Absolutely! Outstanding post!
@Yawn: I’ve reread your statement a dozen times today. “Hubbard was in perpetual war with life itself” I Yawnalot, May 22, 2017 Mike Rinder’s Blog Credit where credit is due.
One can only guess what he actually meant by, “returning this sector of the universe back to native state.” But one thing for sure, it will probably be ugly and it won’t have you, me or anyone with two brain cells to rub together anywhere in, on or near it. It will have a big barb wire fence around it, with only one revolving door – the cashier’s!
Ron had the perfect service fac, make wrong. “If we make it what will be your answer to this question? ‘What did you do to help?’ Great guilt trip.
And he covered his bases so members won’t mind being overworked and underpaid.
Ron was the perfect passive/aggressive example of a 1.1 scumbag.
He didn’t seem to mind that he made millions on the backs of programmed slaves.
LRH mentions making auditors, shooting people up in case level, making clears and OTs etc., but he blew it…he didn’t mention buying new buildings which these days seems to be the main thrust of the church. These new buildings are keeping the world from exploding…I think…
He did mention “we are keeping the lines going and the place together” so he almost had his priorities right.
You’ve alluded to one thing that is pertinent when viewing Scientology, Hubbard did have choices. He allowed many things to go organizationally unseen (he considered he had no peers) by his actions and preferred the brutal option. In many ways that is a very lazy approach but the easiest if one wishes to retain power with large money at stake and the potential to make lots more.
In my quieter moments I reflect that if Hubbard was ever “serious about his technology,” he would have taken a completely different approach and protected his personnel at all costs, especially auditors. He also had a choice whether to blatantly wake up the establishment, write letters to the FBI, attack the psyches & tell others what they should think of them, create a GO with loony toon ideas of security etc. He knew his targets were powerfully connected and would stop at nothing to chase after people they considered a threat to them. It was HIS choice to attempt to be a player on the world stage, having delusions of grandeur HE MADE his only option, but it pretty quickly turned around and bit him in the butt.
Maybe just a couple of orgs in a quiet area with good area PR and let his customers come to him type of approach and take it from there, cover his legal butt with smart applications of money generated but most of all, protect his people should have always come first. BUT NO, that wasn’t Hubbard’s way plus his lies he generated were just TOO BIG!
One thing for sure (unfortunately) was that to follow Hubbard turned out to be a very bad idea!
When my kid turned sixteen i stopped seeing him.He went into the Sea Org and then disconnected from me 6 months later
That sucks.
xenu’s son, sorry to hear that about your son. Is he still in? If so, I have to say, please don’t stop trying to contact him and regain a relationship with him. 16 is very young, easily persuadable, and although he thinks he knows what he wants, he may change his mind, and will need a strong advocate on his side if he’s ever to make it out. Let him know you are there, you care, and will help him make a new start once he leaves Scn.
I read a true story once of a father whose young daughter joined the Sea Org. She kept leaving him phone messages and emails about wanting him to bring her stuff (clothing and personal effects) and how she wouldn’t be seeing him any more. He finally gave up and said, well, she says she’s happy, and if this is what she wants, and dropped off her stuff at the Org. But it wasn’t really what she wanted, she was being pressured, and she ended up attempting suicide shortly afterward, feeling as though no one cared about her now and her life had no hope.
Don’t give up on him or lose all touch if at all possible! Approach it like, if he went hiking and through taking various twists and turns became lost in the canyon… someone still needs to look for him to bring him back.
TJ, than you for the comforting words of hope for those of us who have lost kids to the cult.
I hope every day for those with kids still in to be able to reunite with them. We must not give up hope – there are wonderful stories of kids coming out – here is one such story with a very happy ending https://myjeremy.wordpress.com/2015/02/01/my-jeremy-is-home-to-stay/#comment-451 May there soon be more of these – keep hope alive! I just know there will be more of these happy reunions. 🙂 Keeping all in my thoughts and prayers. Please know that people care and try to stay strong and positive. <3
Thank you so much for sharing the link about Jeremy. The photos of a smiling, full of life Jeremy warmed my heart. Continued prayers for the families still waiting for their children and parents and relatives to walk away from this wicked trap.
I was thrilled to see this happy ending too – and that a year plus later, things continue to look up and go well for this family. We need to hear stories that are heartwarming and help us to remain determined and hopeful. 🙂
Really. I am sorry to hear that. But also, I feel a bit sorry for LRH because I am sure he meant and believed every word that he wrote. LRH Was a good man and he gave the world a lot of useful information that works to better people’s lives forever when applied. But, are churches of Scientology really places where people can go to better themselves and the world around them this information or just get depleted of their cash and assets in pursuit of it. It is a vicious cycle. 🙂
Lawrence. LRH was criminally insane. His rea life crimes made him eligible for life in prison in the USA. And YOU are f’ing brain washed.
I am not the topic of this blog post however, but thanks for the heads up. 🙂
Wynski, against my better judgement I’m going to jump in here and suggest that you could get your points and opinions across and be incisive and effective in getting your message heard, understood and considered, and could and could make quite an impact WITHOUT being in the least insulting to the person with whom you disagree. I don’t know you, have never met you, but you’re good with language, you’re very good at bulletting out your points, and I KNOW you could do this, if you wanted to.
Sorry for sounding pedantic. I’m sure you get where I’m coming from, though. That said, if you ever ceased being the Don Rickles of this blog, we might perversely miss these insults of yours 🙂
I wore a pendantic once. But it was really heavy around my neck. Now I just keep it as a weapon…
Don Rickles never used insults to demean, from him it was always a joke – true, but only meant to laugh with a person, not at them. Otherwise he would never have been funny. (and Sinatra would have had him whacked, not affectionately referred to him as ole Bullethead).
my 6 sense
I get what you are saying Aqua (merit of your position is unarguable). In this particular case, the person intentionally ignoring HUGE amounts of evidence, I prefer to be brutally truthful.
Wynski, I hear you, and I’m sure I speak for all of us when I say that its comforting to know that your insults are invariably thoughtful, causitive and well- deserved 🙂
I’m sorry but Wynski you are correct. Lawrence needs help.
@Wynski +1 gazillion^^^^^
Thanks Val.
I stand with Mike. Hubbard was psycho! And he was a vindictive asshole!
Lawrence,
How can you say LRH was a good man?
This was a man who advocated for the complete and utter destruction of people who dared to disagree with him.
This was a man who wreaked havoc upon his own families (all 3 of them).
This was a man who locked up children and had middle aged women thrown off a boat for his own amusement.
LRH was not a good man.
Any useful information LRH may have passed along (not sure how much originated with him – ‘practice good hygiene, do not murder’) is far outweighed by the willfully evil acts he perpetrated onto society.
I respect you are entitled to your opinions, but for your own sake, let them be informed opinions. Not opinions formed for you by LRH himself.
No ifs, ands or but’s here. I have learned a great deal from LRH’s tech and research into engrams, implants and auditor skills. I have never said I support throwing people overboard for auditing flubs or walking up to SP’s and Routine 45’ing them. LRH was misinformed, this is true on a great many things. If you and I can afford to call him evil, then, if LRH was here right now to straighten his ethics out in front of us with us, what should we suggest is his amends, throw him overboard? If people that talk about LRH do not have a replacement for what he used to get himself out of traps that works, then people should keep their mouth’s shut. 🙂
Lawrence,
Thank you for your comment. I admire your willingness to stand up for what you believe.
But I would like to respond to your response….you said “I’ve learned a lot from LRHs research into engrams, implants and auditor skills”
First off…..what ‘research’?
LRH made wild claims about the tech coming from civilizations light years away and trillions of years old. Yet, where was his proof?
Implants and engrams? No
proof of either. LRH’s son Nibs claimed he (Nibs) wrote a lot of the ‘tech’ and that LRH wrote some of it while under the influence of drugs.
As far as appropriate amends for LRH……I suggest that LRH be forced to listen to every person he harmed. Every parent torn from a child. Every family bankrupted. Every person who died too soon because LRH told them as Clears they were not subject to cancer, epilepsy, asthma, etc. Every person LRH ordered to be fair gamed. (even killed if you believe people like Bill Franks who claims he knows of an MP who was murdered on LRHs orders).
The only ‘trap’ you ( and others who believe the malarkey LRH spewed
forth) are in is the trap LRH set for you. Therefore I would recommend that we not replace LRH. Though sadly, I think David Miscavige is the perfect replacement for LRH. He is as insane, as paranoid, as narcissistic, as delusional, and as evil as LRH ever was.
Its kind of like the old joke that under Mussolini the trains ran on time. Any ‘good’ you achieved was because of you. Don’t allow a madman to take credit for your achievements.
I’m not trying to undermine your ‘wins’. I’m simply suggesting you may have gotten them without Scientology
Exactly.its sad that Lawrence gives flubbard credit for anything good in his life &can’t see that it was himself.So is that to say anything good for any of us is BC of obvious life stuff that flubbard tried to take credit for?As if he is the smartest human on earth.We all know he was like a little kid playing “Dr.”, playing ” school”,etc.,a nobody who had to make up &lie about his credentials,his service awards,etc.until the next thing came along that he played make believe about being an expert in.professor?spy?
Noted. 🙂
Lawrence,
I can agree with you to an extent. LRH believed he was helping humanity, and believed in his technology. However, he was certainly not a man to help others without demanding repayment. He was intent on making as much money off his invention as possible, even if that meant people were not helped.
Furthermore, I think there is clear evidence that LRH suffered from pathological paranoia, especially toward the end of his life. The whole doctrine of treating critics as SPs is evil. Viewing mental health professionals as evil aliens is just unhinged. In the end, LRH could not help himself. He failed.
I do not deny your wins. And LRH was not a monster like Davey is, but that is not enough to call him a good man. He certainly is not a model to be emulated.
Any “good” thing you think you got from hubtard,was only statements that are COMMON SENSE,¬ anything that he discovered.The rest was stolen,&the rest was so comical,its amazing he actually got people to believe him.ANYONE WHO SAYS they got something good from his mumble jumble must not have had any common sense to begin with to praise his few common sense statements &give him/scn the credit for it.Anyone with common sense can see that.
Regarding research – I’m no student of scn history, but from what I understand of the original Saint Hill Special Briefing Course, there were hundreds of taped lectures describing the trial and error which went into developing the lower levels of scn including the processes, correction lists and so on. In my recollection “the bridge” changed little from around 1973 to 1983 when I participated. So saying there was NO research would be incorrect imo.
Richard,
There was no peer reviewed research.
(Clinical or otherwise)
Saying there were ‘hundrends of taped lectures describing the trial and error’ is only proof that Hubbard could speak for hundreds of lectures and that people were willing to listen to the.
I’ll qualify my assertion to add… Dianetics was reviewed (per Hubbard’s request) by a psychiatric organization (whatever the US psych organization was called back in the 50s).
They denounced it as pseudo-science and nonsense.
Hence Hubbard’s subsequent hatred of the psychs and the laughable attempts to ‘annihilate’ the psychs over the years.
Just because Hubbard claimed there was trial and error doesn’t make it true. (Except for the error part).
Just look at the history of the Introspection Rundown. Ron tested that out on one person and declared it a success.
Ask Lisa McPherson’s family how it worked out for her.
Of course, if you have evidence of peer review analysis, I’d love to see that.
If you can provide the links I would appreciate
It.
As they sometimes say on the Internet, ‘Dox, or I don’t believe it’. (Of course, that’s not what they really say – it’s ‘dox, or STFU) but I try to remain civil in these interactions and try not to use vulgarity (though I do enjoy it in RL…..it’s too easily misunderstood unless you are speaking to the person in RL)
Chee – This is a guess, I don’t feel like looking up the exact details. Sometime in the 1960’s about 50 to 100 people from all walks of life gathered together at Saint Hill Manor in England to see if they could develop a workable applied philosophy over the course of a year or two. There was a lot more going on than elron blabbing on lectures.
Peer reviewed research of scn in the 1960’s would be government funded university eggheads sent in to protect the status quo, or at least that would be the scientological point of view. lol
Someone recently said debates about scn would go on until the last two scn-ists write knowledge reports on each other. I’d extend that until the last true scn-ist enters the void. LOL
If I might add, Fatso had 6 children. There was Nibs (L. Ron Hubbard Jr.) and Katherine with Polly Grub. Then with Sarah Northrop he had Alexis, who he threatened to cut up into little pieces. Added to that Diana, Quinten and Arthur and you get 6 kids.
You forgot Suzette. It’s 7
OUCH! I even met Suzette at the Prayer Day convention in ’76! I guess my CRS is getting the best of me…
Thanks for the correction. Damn aging shit…
OSD, I still remember, with a tear, the look on Suzette’s face when I ran into her in a store and she gave me her cell # as she wanted to get together later and I told her I was no longer a scientologist.
I wanted to save her so badly as she was a very nice person and friend.
There’s a compromise for everything in life Dude, for aging, it’s that most things that happen are for the first time. All new and shinny like… Feel you’re being corrected a lot??? They have no idea what they are talking about, they weren’t there anyway!
Suzette, in my humble opinion was a sweetheart! I offered to teach her how to snow ski. I was on Ski Patrol at the time. All the kids are out except Diana. I wonder why she stays…
OSD….7 kids, 2-3 wives, 3 families.
Now that is someone from whom I would seek marriage/happy family advice!
Traits of men who are not good:
1) pistol whip their wife
2) blame wife for crime he designed and instigated
3) get angry at a son for committing suicide
4) seek destruction of a women; Paulette Cooper
5) lie about their past to create a high Altitude so that people will buy their products
6) war against electro shock therapy their whole life and then wish to be electrocuted at the end of life
7) use other’s ideas and not announce sources
8) put children in dangerous chain locker
9) teach students the virtues of violent acts against critics
10) create a black ops military to destroy and neutralize critics. And if you can; destroy utterly
11) third party all other paths of the spirit
12) third party all other spiritual teachers
13) claim to be a Buddha for financial gain
14) abduct children
15) claim to be the wisest man in history
16) allow sincere beautiful beautiful who believe in you to live in squaller while suit cases to off shore accounts
Traits of a good man:
1) honesty
2) humility
3) serving others with no thought of “what do I get out of this”
4) honoring the people who helped you learn what you have learned
“If I have seen further than most it is because I have stood on the shoulders of giants” Sir Issac Newton
5) loyalty to friends
6) loyalty to one’s spouse
7) not a hypocrite (teaching something and doing something else.
8) takes care of his body
9) believes in the human traits of sympathy, love and always defaults to love in all human affairs.
I am sure that Ron had some good traits. But to say he was a good man is quite a stretch IMO.
Brian. I didn’t mean to start an LRH Fan Club simply by implying that I thought LRH had some good qualities in him for enabling you and I for example to go Clear and then OT for the first time in eternity. That is truth of what this game is all about. Not people that spend their life thinking of names to call LRH before bed time. I do not agree with everything LRH wrote or spoke. I certainly do not agree with the practices of virtually any Church of Scientology and I find it’s members rude, insulting and often borderline mentally retarded. Yet, I will not deny that I got into Scientology to learn to maintain my freedom, which I have done. Why can’t I say something nice about LRH instead of calling him “El Dildo” or “El Bongo”. Why can’t I just treat him and his church the way I would want them to treat me, WITHOUT being a member. Is there some harm in being friendly with people? 🙂
Sure Lawrence, I honor your right to see Ron how you wish. I do not call Ron names, I try to reveal his motives. I try to be “reasonable” with my judgements.
A lot of folks that come to these blogs are experiencing the effects of betrayal after trust. That’s a powerful emotion.
Losing moms, dads, sisters, brothers, friends, grandchildren, grandparents, jobs etc. and knowing that these doctrines were created by Ron and that Ron IS the cause of broken families, may not respond to your seeing the good in Ron with open arms.
These reactions are normal. I’m sure you understand Lawrence.
There is good in everyone for sure. But some people who have crossed the line and have become indecent can also have evil in them.
These sites like Mike’s, and this Scientology diaspora does not exist because Ron was a good man.
Ron’s doctrines are also the cause of a lot of suffering.
Pointing out the good side of a raper to the person who he raped may not be the correct step towards healing if the wound is fresh. Just sayin.
That may take place during the forgiveness stage. Some people are just waking up to this fact of being raped.
It’s certainly ok to see the good in people. And it is certainly ok to see the depths that some people descend into and call that evil.
Ron is one of those.
Seeing the good in other people does not mean that we do not see the reality of other people.
Seeing the negative state of being in others, seeing their potential to do evil does not also require us to hate that person.
Unconditional love is not stupid. It can see the truth and the good in others while at the same time seeing the potential of evil without also feeling hatred.
That’s unconditional love from my view.
“I thought LRH had some good qualities in him for enabling you and I for example to go Clear and then OT for the first time in eternity. ”
Lawrence, the above statement is an assumption based on no proof. Hubbard copied the state of clear and OT from Occult sources scattered through centuries of neo-platonists. He also copied a lot of gnosticism, for example. The state of clear is a total joke as described on many blogs. One needs to say “I’m mocking it up”. That is the substance of it. OT VIII is a mish mash of techniques. The Hub had no super-normal abilities. That fat man obviously could not levitate which is only the very very first sign of super normal. Hubbard just simply copied from Blavatsky, Crowley and others. He messed up his mind and my mind along with it.
Lawrence, your experiences are your own and just as valid and to be respected as anyone else’s, so long as they’re true and honest experiences and so long as you’re true and honest when sharing about them.
They’re your experiences; own them, respect them and never apologize for them.
People can get angry and very impatient and upset sometimes because their observations and experiences concerning something vary so widely from yours that they can’t endure that you don’t see what they see as regards something.
So what?
Don’t sweat it, Lawrence.
Lawrence, can you please tell us why you believe that Elron was a “good man”?
The last part of your post implies that you see the current Co$, under lil davey’s malevolent control, as being the problem, NOT the Co$ as it existed during Elron’s lifetime. If that is case, then I’d like to respectfully suggest that doing some in depth research in Elron’s real personal history may change your opinion of him and the value of his work.
I think all people are basically good, including you. 🙂
Noted.
What about me?
Except for you, OSD 🙂
Having read through the comments below, there is a lot I could say on both sides. LRH was no saint, but if you study the lives of many of the saints, they weren’t either. Many “Great” men and women had their down sides, but history chose to look on them favorably in the end for one reason or another. JFK long held as one of the greatest US presidents was unfaithful to his wife, one of the most beloved first ladies to this day. He concealed his Addisons Disease from the public and was on heavy pain meds, which could have impaired his judgement in office, but he did many good things and made some tough decisions. JFK was not 100% good, nor was LRH 100% bad. One thing I believe about LRH is that for the most part HE believed in the “tech”. That is more than I can say for the current leadership. Are JFK and LRH equal? No, just making a point. Did LRH barrow liberally from other sources? Yes, has have many others, they do however, tend to footnote.
Lawrence makes an excellent point about name calling, we lower ourselves when we drop to the churches level of using terms like SP, wog and others, when we say things like hubtard, scilons and many more. Many of the current church membership have people who care about them who are now out of the church. The vast majority of those in are good people, but have lost control of their lives. Someday they may find their way out, what will you call them then, should you meet one? If we must call them something, let it be a name that shows we care about them, even if we don’t agree with the path they are on. How many of these lost souls are actually looking for a path back to life but can’t find it?
Please save the name calling for those few that deserve it, DM and a few others. Those that are in a position to know, but choose to keep the rest enslaved.
I agree with you, Mark. If its possible for someone to be all bad, then it must follow that its possible for another person to be all good. But its not possible because absolutes don’t exist.
“Please save the name calling for those few that deserve it, DM and a few others. Those that are in a position to know, but choose to keep the rest enslaved.”
LRH was in a position to know he lied. He chose to START enslaving people. Is it “name calling” if it is accurate?
“Someday they may find their way out, what will you call them then, should you meet one?”
Survivor
I have no problem with survivor.
Mark, Hubbard was a MAJOR violent felon who would have been jailed for life if caught.
Saying he was “no saint” is just stupid.
Major violent felon can certainly be used to describe Hubbard. Those calling him fat sound immature, if that is their only fault found.
Referring to him as “no saint” was meant as irony. Referring to me as stupid for saying it, doesn’t really need any further comment.
Many people say they continue to find knowledge gained in scn useful. I might add that if nothing else it’s a framework for reference. I still enjoy some scio-speak. For example, who doesn’t know someone who is “a problems case”, “buttered all over the universe” or a “comm cutter”?
Lawrence, I am attending a murder trial right now where a policeman murdered a 3 year old child, the son of his then girlfriend. There are women testifying that that man beat them to the point of hospitalization, their children were also hospitalized. There are bloody horrible gross graphic photos of the havoc this man has wreaked.
This morning the man’s mother took the stand. She said sobbing. “My son is a good man”. I felt so amazingly bad for her and her immense need to hold onto that belief. In a way I feel that way for you too.
I attested to clear, all the way to OTV. I am also embarrassingly highly tech and admin trained. The biggest “win” I can honestly say I got from all of this was the ability to believe I was so much better than others. Even though I left scientology in the early ’80s, it wasn’t until I read the seminal books which uncover the truth about LRH that I was able to do some self-reflection and understand how well and truly I had been duped by a world-class liar and what an arrogant bitch I was. It was a great relief when I was able to shed that “win” and become a humble, caring person again.
I do hope that you read “Bare Faced Messiah” “Madman or Messiah” “Piece of Blue Sky” and understand that the person who claimed to research the things that you believe helped you was a bald-faced con man who did not do research, who was not educated and who died on psychiatric drugs, unable to “cure” even himself of the demons which plagued him, much less help anyone else.
That hurt my heart
I buried my heart at Wounded Knee.
OSD! I know you always joke around except when you occasionally bare your soul and floor us all. In reality, your heart is right there on your sleeve big as day. I like it there.
I buried my heart in Valerie’s backyard. She takes very good care of it.
Awwwww…thanks. I’ll take that. Yes, it gets good care there. I tend to care for a multitude of hearts, much to the chagrin and quiet bemusement of my poor patient husband.
That’s one of the saddest history books I’ve ever read.
That really sux! Every-time this sort of thing is mentioned it pisses me off. Here’s hoping Scientology takes it’s big nose dive real soon and we all get our families back.
Xenu’s son, all of us here hope your son will wake up and come back to you. This is one of the worst things they do in this cult. And the cult seems to enjoy it. We’ll be standing by for good news!
So sorry to hear that, how long has it been, Xenu’s son.
Rantings of a mad man! All cults implant in their followers minds – the doom and gloom of Armageddon and get members into states of fear and confusion.
Scientology is not exception to that rule and in fact, they take it to a whole new level of scam and con.
Yes logic. That really wonderful “WOG” field of study & knowledge that if successfully studied would keep one from joining or staying in a dangerous cult. LRH warned his flock that merely studying it would drive one insane.
THAT alone shows his criminal mind in full gear, early on in the scam. EVERY person still stuck in the cult or who defends L. Wrong (in or out of the formal church) lacks a sufficient knowledge of logic. De facto.
L. Ron Hubbard was one of the biggest assholes this world has ever seen. Scientology is just a shade below Jonestown…
God, don’t say Jonestown OSD. Makes me think of what Int (& all the other hidden bases) might become…
Fascinating. “The prophetic warnings of Hubbard didn’t come true, so obviously the Doom of Earth would have come to pass if not for his brilliance and hard work and teachings that saved us all from annihilation.” The best con artists are those individuals who never let you become aware that you have been conned.
And in that “Deadline Earth” rambling of his, when he said “We’ve got our sleeves rolled up for a twelve hour day and sixty hour week.”…..I wonder if any RTC/OSA person reading this is thinking to themselves “Damn…..I wish I could only work a sixty hour week…..” Well, you can (and even less hours than that, for 10X or more in pay). All it takes is the realization that a better life awaits you (and one that you control yourself) and the guts to finally say “enough is enough”.
So true! “Hypnotist” is a job title; real mind control experts never let on that’s what they’re up to.
Elron was a world-class master of covert influence and group mind control who continues to work his evil magic on the gullible, naive and overly trusting, long after his demise.
Well said!!
Yup. And if does blow up it’s because the SP’s won and scientologists did not do their part to support LRH and keep KSW.
As it turns out Mary, It looks like our favorite cult is blowing in and down rather than up and out.
Yo Dave,
It’s a sad day for you and those you traffic good buddy. Fewer and fewer each day and all the while you cannot even set foot in public or utter the smallest contrivance of ecclesiasticalness from your bunker.
Who is still listening Dave? I hate to break the news to you but you are shit and the rest of the world is a compost pile Good Buddy. Eventually you will disappear.
What Coop said!