This speaks for itself — albeit in broken english.
A Facebook post following Graduation Friday from an over enthusiastic attendee.
This is more signs of the fundamentalism that is the norm within the church of scientology. There is a medical term for it — euphoria, “a feeling of well-being or elation; especially : one that is groundless, disproportionate to its cause, or inappropriate to one’s life situation” though fundamentalist christians would probably equate this to rapture.
Frankly, it is a little scary.
The image is cut off, but the full text is below.
Tonight Graduation. You see I know you are interested what happened.
Well, each time when one is complete with super power the whole audience become a one thing, peace, future, mankind is saved and the first time ever we win.
And when has a 32 graduates we feel this above 32 times!
A Cause Resurgence OT8 grad. sad- well while on auditing on VII, I put down the wall that I built, but on Cause Resurgence I handled the why I built it in the first place! On SRD tailor made -Gush I hated planet Earth a suck place, on SRD she found the cause of the suppression that made her to think this way, after running
a process on SRD on a good and evil lives -first time ever she was able to separate
from doing the right thing from the wrong thing, and stopped punishing herself, and
not to make herself to win.
So, here is a young man with me – he told to me, tell them to COME to FLAG!
I sad, but…..He sad..well OK, Tell them to COME to FLAG!
So, I am telling it. COME to FLAG!
I feel bad for the young guy in the picture. He’s a Sea Org staff member and it looks like he’s wearing a Super Poser (Power) polo shirt. It makes me sad to see young adults spending their time on this sort of silly nonsense with public like this when they could be doing many other things to help people. There are many other ways to work with and help people, the planet or both outside the bubble of Scientology.
The public in the photo is pretty sparse too, with lots of platters and trays full of food. Things don’t look so good in this picture and certainly don’t sound so good either.
I ran the SHSBC graduations at ASHO/F for about 3 years (1975-1978) with well over 100 in attendance on a routine basis … even without a buffet of food and a huge bouquet of flowers. This girl clearly doesn’t speak English as her native language, but she’s also not making any sense with the English she’s DOES know. I don’t remember any of the late ’70s students sounding so off-the-wall. This is sad … (correctly spelled).
2 More questions:
1. Are the wins that Scientologists experience in David Miscavige’s “RCS” delusions, while the wins that Scientologists experience in Independent Scientology are not?
Why?
2. Once you start calling some Scientologists’ self-described spiritual gains or “wins” as delusions, where should it stop?
Alanzo
These are pretty silly “questions” apparently not questions but intended only to provoke some sort of reaction.
The answers are obvious:
1. Depends what the wins supposedly are. I havent seen “independent scientologists” express wins like they are somehow clearing the planet or reversing the dwindling spiral or changing the history of mankind.
2. You stop when it is not delusional. You cannot call someone’s personal realizations about themselves delusional, as who are you to judge? You can say that someone who believes that a “win” on stage in changing the planet is delusional. It’s not hard to figure out Alanzo.
You seem to want anyone who has a win in scientology to be classified as delusional. That’s pretty arrogant if so.
Thanks for your thoughtful reply, Mike.
You wrote:
“You seem to want anyone who has a win in scientology to be classified as delusional. That’s pretty arrogant if so.”
This isn’t true, and I’ll give you my own specific experience with my own auditing as proof that it is not true.
During the 16 years I was a Scientologist, I ran hundreds, maybe even thousands, of incidents which supposedly occurred in my past lives. After 13 or 14 years of being out, and no longer calling myself a Scientologist, I consider about 95% of those incidents as pure imagination in response to auditing questions, and what was expected of me as a pc in a typically controlled auditing environment.
I consider 5% or so of those incidents of mine that I ran as “valid”.
I consider them “valid” because they solved some longstanding problem of mine, or explained some situation that I had always had trouble with, or because they correspond so closely to who I think I really am.
Those are the criteria I used to critically examine my own “wins” from running past life incidents in Scientology.
So no. I do not want anyone who has a win in Scientology to be classified as delusional. That would be an extremely inaccurate view of how I think about wins in Scientology, or any other spiritual practice.
This is a “win” that L Ron Hubbard said came from attaining the state of “Cleared Theta Clear”
Per your answer above, and given your considerable experience with the results of Scientology delivery, whether in the “RCS” or Independent Scientology, would you consider someone who gave this win as “delusional”?
Alanzo
Yes, I would consider that delusional.
Alanzo,
Someone said something in a comment a few days ago about people who have been in Scientology their whole lives and are still mucking around at the bottom of the bridge, which has led me down an interesting path of self-reflection, and I do appreciate the fact that although Mike does not always agree with comments posted at his blog, he very seldom moderates them out unless they are posted for merely inflammatory purposes.
Once you start analyzing the wins you had in Scientology, it’s pretty interesting trying to sort the wheat from the chaff.
Bottom line: Do you even remember the “ruin” that brought you into Scientology? If Scientology were what it claims to be, wouldn’t its’ entire goal be to focus on and fix you. to make you more able? During my time in Scientology, I did not get my original ruin handled, although I, like everyone else who was sucked into Scientology was promised “Scientology can handle that.”
It wasn’t until I left and (a) got rid of the arrogant attitude that I was a “superior being” simply by having been touched by Scientology and (b) did some serious reflection on what was causing my self-destructive tendencies and how to take control of my life that I finally handled my own ruin.
It actually frightens me to see people advance up the bridge and become severely crazy (and yes, John Allender, I’m looking at you when I say that). Why do people in Sea Org go to Gold and Int, where they are considered the elite of the elite, the Mecca of Perfection of Scientology, where no one is supposed to have a case and get beat and degraded on a regular basis?
I remember some of my time in Scientology (I was a pre-Miscavigite) as a bright, cheery time, but I seriously believe less of that had to do with the tech than the people I hung around with. The worst times I had in Scientology were when “standard ethics tech” was being applied. That bodes ill for at least that tech IMHO.
I could say more, but I do not want to wear out my welcome in “Mike’s House”. People need to figure things out for themselves. I wonder if people actually listened to what they are told when they first got in that “what is true for you is true for you,” a lot of them would leave shortly after they got in. It’s when I began to doubt what was true for me that I got sucked into the make wrong and incessant regging and it all went downhill from there.
Valerie wrote:
Once you start analyzing the wins you had in Scientology, it’s pretty interesting trying to sort the wheat from the chaff.
I know exactly what you mean, Valerie. I’ve had to face that since getting out, and it does start off a very profound bout of self-refection.
I had to examine why I have a leaning toward spiritual things at all, and went into total bitter materialism for a while. And then I studied Plato, which helped pull me up out of all that and expressed to me why I have spiritual leanings in the first place, which then rehabilitated me spiritually.
Spiritual abuse like you experience in a cult can be very damaging if you let it sit there and don’t keep moving.
As Viktor Frankl said, “That which gives light, must endure burning,”
After studying Plato, I came to understand that logic and reason can be applied to spiritual things, and must be, if you are to build something sustainable.
It takes courage to confront these things without any ethics officer to handle you, or to validate your Rah! Rah! wins for you. And sometimes you find yourself stumbling around totally alone.
But if Alanzo can be a spiritual guy again after Scientology, then anybody can.
Alanzo
Her name sounds Hungarian. Toth is a very common Hungarian name. While her words aren’t clear, it is obvious that she is deluded. And happy in her delusion.
How very sad.
Scientology definitely produces brain spooges, as we see from the “wins” from the Scientologists in Mike’s opening post.
But do brain spooges lead to sanity, grounded in reality?
Are brain spooges a sign of spiritual enlightenment?
Alanzo
Credit cards charged to the max, 2nd and 3 erd mortgages,
numerous status upgrades, and you get a little fast food.
English is not her first language obviously. I believe she is saying the word SAID, and just misspelled it. That makes sense. The concept of her comment IS sad though. Totally believes the BS at graduation.
Currently acceptable TR2: “Fine. Good. Whatever.”
In addition to the euphoric comm. I noticed the place is quite empty, just a few people. Notice also the stainless steel trays almost full of food.
In the past, when graduations were fun and you shared time with your friends – public and staff alike – the food tended to disappear after 15 minutes once people had come out of the auditorium; The place was full and fun.
Now is empty of people, but full of wasted food.
You’re absolutely right, Silvia! It REALLY did used to be fun! And exciting to boot! Sadly, those days are long, long gone. Now? Well, the book, “1984” is Dear Leader’s template for running the show. I can’t imagine a greater change in any other church.
The food isn’t wasted….they just serve it up the
next day to unsuspecting diners in the buffet at
the sandcastle restaurant.
Cute couple who want to save the world. May they wake up sooner rather than later.
Ι sad, (you sad), he sad…. all sad but looking pretty happy. Spelling might not be the most important thing for a thetan but then when it comes to Operating thetans I bet they need to be Cause over their mind and tongues too.
Now, it’s really sad to see the church dealing with all this PR, PR, PR and never being able to take a stand on anything that is really wiping the planet away. They are just surviving within their shell and have taken down Scientology to the level of a cult. That’s what people know about Scientology… Oh, and Tom Cruise.
With all the theta and Tone 40 – we have no choice left, but COME to FLAG! Let’s go guys and girls!
Oi vey! Is she English speaking? I did a few SRD’s when it was out for a short time in the 80’s an I don’t recall any processes on good or evil lives. Sounds like they’re mixing subjective and objective processes soooooooo, more gross out tech! Yay!
I’m just wondering if the Sea Org members who slave there 24/7 will get to eat any of the leftover food. Must have been a pretty sparse turnout if there are any treats left at all. Maybe the old saying, “if you feed them, they will come,” isn’t working any more.
No, they don’t get to eat the food.
Neither do the Outer Org Trainees, who are mostly walking around pretending to try to sell books, hoping nobody notices, and hoping they will be called to the bus soon.
That is a lot of taquitos! I hope they at least let the poor Sea Org workers eat some.
Of course when I myself reach euphoria, it’s never groundless .. ha ha …. in my universe anyway. We all ultimately have to take responsibility for the euphoria we choose – which is why I never EVER feel sorry for anyone who now stays with the CoS. Sounds like you’re enjoying yourself Kristin .. for NOW anyway.
These people are getting ‘processed’ into the ground.
Ashes to ashes, dust to dust, and the meek shall inherit the earth and the church.
http://www.amway.com/start-a-business/success-stories
sounds the same.
“At Amway, we have always believed that success should be acknowledged – whether it’s through traditional income opportunities or more memorable rewards, such as recognition or incentive trips. Every year, thousands of Independent Business Owners in North America are recognized and rewarded for their outstanding achievements. ”
smoke and mirrors. LOL
Mmmmmm…….Taquitos for everyone with Clear Cognition!
First time ever to seperate doing the right thing from the wrong thing …FIRST TIME! An OT8! … Sad is a vast understatement ….
Total cause over grammar will be handled in OTIV. Then bad grammar and the roots of bad grammar will be shattered! (explosion sound effect)
I have no idea what she’s saying. She better get back on the Comm Course, TR1 (or something) is definitely out.
I know her and English is not her native tongue. “Sad” is “said” in her writeup. But she has always been an over the top KA drinker of magnitude which I classify as theetie wheetie.
Drunk on KoolAid
well if it makes you happy then why the hell are you so sad?
Not too big on nutritious food around the ole Flag I see.
yes – my first reaction. everything looks starchy and probably fried to boot
tony-b, that’s because they have complete cause over MEST, including their bodies. They can eat fried foods, tons of starch & sugar like nobody’s business and still not gain a pound or adversely affect their health. They’re all Gods and Goddesses now. Far superior to WOGs. And, for $1,000 an hour, you too can be one of them! Not sure why they keep dying early, though. Especially from cancer. But, hey, they probably just need more auditing…
Um. Ok. Makes total sense.
Scary is right. Sadly when I was in the Sea Org, I might have believed this. Of course I has the dedicated glare for life. Statistically the majority of the whalers have been there down that for decades. The cycle of life has wearin this process over and over far too long.
Both pretty sad. I’m happy that they can be sad together. Come to Flag if you too want to be sad (or a lot worse).
For anybody who didn’t get it, she meant “said”.
But the truth is “sad”.