Flag is seriously desperate to get anyone into the building for the regges to grab hold of.
Flag holding “seminars” by PUBLIC to brief them on “OT” is so weird L. Ron Hubbard would be apoplectic if he had not shuffled off his mortal coil so many years ago.
Flag has the highest trained auditors and C/Ses on earth. THE experts on the subject of going OT. But rather than them doing seminars on “the keys to OT” they have two local whales delivering this. Why?
Hubbard freaked out when he found public scientologists “on the backs of orgs” taking “advantage” of “his staff” and “stealing his public”. This is far beyond that — non Sea Org members doing briefings at Flag to try to get public to go up the Bridge? This would have been ludicrous to him. But apparently Flag doesn’t have anyone that can do this — Clive Rabies hasn’t been heard from in a long time.
This is a sign of desperation. 
Meantime, they are trying to shore up their public to deal with Black PR.
Make no mistake, the “public” at the Bellair mission 10 minutes down the road from Flag, are all “Flag” public. Mostly local scientologists who live in the area who are deemed ineligible for Flag services or who take minor courses at the mission to keep regges off their back (“I am moving on the Bridge, I am on course at the Bellair Mission” – they go in for an hour a week to do a basic books course).
And they’re even pitching to try to drum up business in the homes of local scientologists…
Make no mistake. Flag is NOT “flourishing and prospering” – the car parks at the Sandcastle, Osceola, Oak Cove, Yachtsman and Mariner hotels are empty.
You saw the recent report from the OT Committee that their stats were down but “not as bad as last year.”
Orgs around the world are empty — and while Miscavige continues his ribbon yanking ceremonies to try to convince everyone how great things are going (and Fast Eddie jumps on that right away as “evidence” of expansion), the truth is that scientology is in what Hubbard described as a dwindling spiral.
The walls are closing in. The desperation is more apparent daily.
Update:
Aaron Smith-Levin posted this on Twitter today.
It is the Oak Cove building. One of the hotels that scientology owns in downtown Clearwater to cater to the scientologists who come for services. This is an excellent representation of how many people there are at Flag…
Hello Mike. I am watching the series every week and am increasingly frustrated and nauseated at the way this cult behaves. I live in Canada and apparently, Scientology is not considered a religion here so it does not receive tax-free status. There are also not very many members. Do you know why it is not as popular here? Is it cultural? Is there a sociological difference between the U.S. and Canada specific to this “organization?”
Dear Sharon – the reason Scientology is not popular in Canada is because Canadian’s still have a “reactive mind” Scientology has not been able to audit and train out so Canadian’s have the uncanny ability to spot fraudulent fake religion cults when they see one.
If the Canadian Government is aware and vigilant enough to protect the citizens of your great Country so as to not grant the Cult of Scientology tax exempt status – there is hope for your country. You will be safe and you will survive.
Unfortunately for the United State Government citizens, we are f*#cked.
Obviously, our Government is deathly afraid of Scientology and does nothing about their criminality; extortion, human trafficking, money laundering, abuse and fraud.
Mike and Leah are doing something about it so that all may change.
Thank you Mike and Leah.
Thank you so much for your reply. I was genuinely interested and appreciate your taking the time to respond. I find the reaction to Scientology in the U.S. chilling. As a result of this series I can at least be vigilant about this cult and if I ever hear anything about it making noise in Canada or trying to advance in any way, I will raise hell with our elected officials and ensure as many people as possible know about its dangerous methods of control. Of course, Mike & Leah’s series has probably already reached millions of Canadians so they are, like me, more aware of what this cult is all about.
IM, I think the main issue in the US is that a rather extremist “christian” religious establishment holds a lot of sway, both believing in a radical notion of religious “freedom” that means unaccountability and even lawlessness, and fearing that government crackdowns on the most abusive “religious” groups, could lead to scrutiny of the questionable practices of quite a few others, and the airing of a lot of dirty laundry.
For instance, Jerry Fallwell’s (the “moral majority”) Liberty University policies such as forbidding interracial dating caused them to be banned from government financial aid programs including those for students, and though that policy has since been rescinded, theye’ve had to walk a thin line and compromise on some other policies in order to protect their non-profit status and access to government programs; Bob Jones University has had similar issues, and Brigham Young University doesn’t qualify for government research grants. Benny Hinn’s prosperity gospel ministry was raided by the IRS and Postal Service investigators two years ago, after several skirmishes, and his practices were not much, if any, worse than those of a slew of other ministries still flying under the radar.
People in the US still seem to be unready to widely support accountability by groups designated as religious. Many still belong to or support various groups, ministries and leaders who could themselves be called to account.
While I think there is some prospect of doing something about the most extreme and abusive groups like Scientology, and several examples including those of the FLDS and the Catholic church seem to provide some hope, it seems to me that it’s likely going to require a generational change for people to be more willing to question and even confront religious groups. Even the simplest accountability, such as requiring groups receiving religious-base tax exemption to have publicly available financial statements – as is required of other non-profits, is the law in many other countries, and is something that would undercut abusive groups like Scientology by forcing them to reveal how they actually spend their money – seems far off.
How about a petition on this blog,say,that can be signed online and sent to the FBI, and IRS stating that we wish a review on Scientology’s tax status, abuses, etc. It is pretty obvious that these agencies fear this cult for its fair game policies, and may well have scientologists on their payrolls ready to snitch out any anti scientology action. RICO act violations seem to abound in this cult.
” First see what is right before your eyes, then all else will be known to you.”- Jesus
All sad, nothing like AO / ASHO in the 70’s.
Wonder what happened to Clive? Would he be a candidate for The Hole?
My guess is that the whales are better speakers, more interesting (At a minimum, they’re less easily browbeaten by the powers that be. Whales, AFAICT, aren’t subject to the usual punishments, like the EPF (Now that the RPF is reportedly GONE!(Yay!) if they go off-script.
Of COURSE they have to brief their sheeple against “black pr”, which is any instance of the TRUTH getting out into the public sphere. Trouble is, for scientology, almost EVERYone seems more believable than scientology’s spokespuppets. Even with TR-L (lie), scientologists can’t lie worth a damn.
Makes you wonder if anyone is going to try to get out of town to put some distance between them and anything they’ve done to help with the takeovers. No doubt the ordinary hardworking tax paying citizens may want someone to answer for this mess. Sometimes helping taking down criminals comes from unexpected places.
Trying to find the appropriate place to report this. Tonight’s show The Cleawater show was either jammed on Spectrunm as when trying to watch it had bad interference thru the whole program you couldn’t understand but maybe every third word in very few sentences, I even tuned on cc and it was the same way, when the next show after Leah came on the interference stopped. I recorded on ny Dr and it came out the same. First time for me to be on this blog and didn’t know where to report this but I suspect some sinister work here.
“. . . they have two local whales delivering this. Why?”
Here’s my guess. If you’re a “public” how often do you get to hang out with “the whales”? So you man-up and go to the event so you have the possible opportunity to schmooze with these wealthy people. Maybe you can ingratiate yourself which leads to a job opening that you can take advantage of. Maybe you can share the story of how you’d love to be able to take more courses, but your income level prevents it. Just maybe you can inveigle yourself onto the Whale’s gravy train, after all you’ve seen how well flattery,
sycophant-ery and ego-stroking have worked for the org, why not see if you can use some of these for your own advancement.
So I’m speculating the attendance is higher when a Whale gives a talk than when an expert does.
The end has arrived. FSO is the MAIN source of $ for Scamology. ALL of the other orgs on the planet combined send a TINY fraction of the money FSO sends to management. Whales at FSO provide most of the IAS reg money. Glug, glug, glug.
One thing I have noticed, after mentioning here several times that the local org is always empty and you can see there is no one inside through the glass wall on the building – they’ve now taken to keeping the semi-transparent curtains at the ground level closed. I wonder if it’s because of the comments here, or maybe just because of the Aftermath pointing out that all the Idle Orgs are empty?
After your comments about the empty parking lots at the Potemkin villages, I’m surprised they don’t go out and buy cars just to leave in their parking lots!
Update added to post courtesy of Aaron Smith-Levin
Interesting to see that so under-utilized, though the question I’d ask is, is did Aaron take the picture at a time when people would be expected to be in their rooms and not on course?
If I recall correctly, the Oak Cove was formerly apartments for retirees, bought 15 years ago or more and then renovated over several years, supposedly to accommodate Scientology’s “expansion,” probably at a point when they had talked themselves into believing that that the eventual opening of the Super Power building was finally going to be thing thing that would cause people to flood in seeking services. But there have long been reports that it was under-utilized, with some of it used for storage and/or staff berthing, and I believe that Scientology applied to have it taken partly off the tax rolls, because it wasn’t all being used as a hotel.
And of course the infamous fight over the parcel that Scientology wanted, involved a plot of land adjacent to the Oak Cove.
The VAST majority of paying public that would stay in the Oak Cove are on AUDITING lines, not training. Between sessions they hang out in the restaurants or their rooms. The majority opt for their rooms as the regges patrol the restaurants waiting for anyone to sit down. At any given time, probably 50% of the occupants of a scientology hotel will be in their room (at least in the evening). So, double the number of lights and it will give you a pretty good indication of occupancy.
Watch — scientology will read this now and start turning on the lights in rooms and leaving them on to make it appear they are not empty.
The motels along N. Ft Harrison are where the outer org students stay. They are on course day and night.
Could Aaron take a picture tomorrow night to see how, magically, the stats can boom?
Wow. Deader than a doornail.
Sometimes I drive by the Super Power Bldg at night and there appears to be darkened floors.
When Flag opened in the 1970’s, it was badly in need of renovation but thousands of public were in a constant steady stream on the streets. Auditing was so backed up, staff developed the “leapfrog” policy.
If you did not make your session for whatever reason, the person waiting in line could “leap” into your slot. The New Year’s Eve party in the old ballroom was massive and loud. OT V was so hot, anyone with a few sessions was an instant celebrity. Stats were so high the graphs had to be extended onto the ceiling. No one really knew at the time that Scientology was a total “dead end”. It took years of failure to deliver what was promised in auditing to have it finally sink in – Hubbard was a fraud. The first real cracks started when Hubbard kept insisting that everyone on earth was so messed up that they needed thousand upon thousands of hours of auditing. Hubbard issued policy after policy making changes. He changed Scientology from “Be three feet back of your head” to “Audit for thousands of hours to get out of bed in the morning”. It is sad to see Flag so deserted when it was once active. Now the buildings are shiny and painted and modern but ring of greed.
The “leap frog” was a Base Flag Order (46) released earlier to cover public auditing scheduling at Flag as opposed to CS Series 25 used at other orgs. It wasn’t developed during the NOTS boom. It was set up because the public were living aboard (if even on shore) and were thus available all day.
Thanks for the information. Did you know the Norton commander? I am curious about your identity.
The “Norton Commander”? Do you mean the Flag Inter Sup, Ron Norton?
Yes, that’s him. How does he regard Scientology now? I remember him as very loyal.
I don’t know. I heard that after leaving years ago, he no longer was a scientologist. Just a rumor though.
Remember he was uplines his first post was D/CO Gold I think)and saw a lot of the DM crap.
Thanks, I heard he was living in Texas or Arizona but avoiding public comment. What years did you engage in Scientology?
Those charts that went up the wall, across the ceiling, and down the opposite wall were false stats, primarily the result of postulate checks. Flag tours were hitting the missions and orgs to yank students from course to write checks for thousands of dollars while being told that they were not going to be cashed but for the purpose of creating a postulate for inflow (outflow is senior to inflow) to buy the Bridge to Oblivion. Hubbard actually believed expansion was out of sight. When he found out what was really going on, a couple of execs ended up chipping paint from the sides of the Apollo and the graphs were cross-shredded.
Could it be that the reason these public people were selected to give these lectures is because they have some “stats” on the subject? In others words, someone who has gotten themselves to OT 8 and 3 Ls is much more credible when talking about being OT and getting up the bridge than, say, a 20 year-old Sea Org member who is a purif completion, and bogged on Survival Rundown.
While I don’t dispute that Flag is shrinking, using evidence such as the empty parking lots, it seems like a good call to have these seminars conducted by people that actually look like they have success in the areas they are addressing.
Regarding “getting to OTVIII” the speakers are identified as “New” OTVIII. Previous OTVIII are now considered . . . what?
Some guy in Washington state is claiming to be reincarnated Hubbard. He even legally changed his name to L. Ron Hubbard. I wonder what he’ll call “his” OTVIII.
https://www.lronhubbardrising.com/
Oh! For God’s sake – the old original OTVIII, which is completely different from the New OTVIII version or rather I am told it comprised a small process at the end of the original one, has never been released. This is typical of the usual dub-in of something negative based on no facts at all.
And as for your pushing the looney guy who pretends to be Hubbard, are you serious? Yeah, you probably are as you have mentioned this several times now.
Fool, El Con chose to NOT release the level you are referring to . Argue with him why YOU think he should have,
He perused your folders and said not even OTVIII could solve this case. I didn’t argue!
FP – Since once upon a time I was an auditor I got interested in reading some of his stuff. It’s a similar presentation with metered auditing and a new approach and new processes offering massive case gain. As with original Hubbard he’s fascinated with the distant past and suggests a theoretical beginning of existence 800 Quadrillion years ago. Think about that for a while. Or don’t!
This is verbal data and the reference on the site is HCOB 1-16-19 – The Other Side of the Veil
As you are so interested why don’t you simply go to an Indie group and get your case sorted out rather than dabble with lunatics. As to “verbal data”, I think you are taking this dude far too seriously.
GOTCHA Foolproof! I was goofing on you. You occasionally do that to people on this blog so you can take a joke, right? Still, somewhere along the line Mr. Hubbard said others would follow him and add to and improve upon his work. He probably didn’t anticipate that one or more of those people would claim to be HIM!
The dude does have some interesting ideas about how Scientology can be improved and you should take a look. If he doesn’t end up in an institution it’s an interesting development in ScientologyWorld.
Hah! Ok! Yes I can take a joke. But as long as you know this dude is not a joke but a con. And why don’t you read the Tech Volumes or something if you are still interested.
No John Doe, you just presented a false choice logical fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma .
The REAL question is: WHY use untrained public & staff when you have Auditing Delivery super star staff (who are free) and have ten times the knowledge of the subject?
It WAS rather strange that they have had impoverished Sea Org staff giving “affluence and prosperity” and “success” seminars, as has been commented on here in the past when promo pieces show up, such as:
https://www.mikerindersblog.org/its-all-about-the-money-2/
https://www.mikerindersblog.org/unlimited-expansion-and-prosperity/
But in the context it can still be seen as a sign of Scientology’s shift from selling services, to prosperity ministry-style fundraising. It also goes hand in hand with the lack of, and lack of emphasis on, staff supposedly highly trained in the “tech.”
And in the nothing-new-under-the-sun department, someone posted a reminder recently that under Hubbard the Safe Environment Fund had asked for donations to defend Scientology against criminal conspiracy charges in the aftermath of “Operation Snow White” – at a point when he was piling up cash on pallets in bank vaults in Europe. In the 1960s he got wealthy backers to help with the acquisition of St. Hill Manor, and I believe that I’ve run across references to his soliciting financial support from well-heeled adherents in the 1950s as well, so the “regging” for donations is not an invention of the current regime, though it’s been taken to a new level.
Is TC ever going / still planning – to move into his fantastic new Penthouse?!
TC is in hiding..
Here’s the ironic part. If Miscavige/Church/Staff could just start being civil, compassionate and understanding of people, i.e. public church members, and more concerned with their spiritual well-being than with their potential as a human ATM to be hit up for endless donations and controlled with threats and harassment, then there might be more cars in the parking lot. But, of course then cannot do that. No longer in their DNA if it ever was.
Now here is something that I can totally agree with. I think you will find that it is also LRH Policy.
Foolproof , for the love of God , start reading some books, to understand Ron’s involvement in the downfall of scientology .
It took many books for me to understand the whole picture. Ron was a nutcase. And that’s all there is to that , along with the good old “ proof is in the pudding “.
If you are an osa troll ,so be it.
If you are an indie , start reading .
Marie – Amen Sister! Foolproof – you are still in a bubble of delusion. Wake up and smell the El Ron.
Hubbard was foul!
LOL. One does not “unlock” keys. One could only unlock locks. Duhhh.
Re Jim Mathers free event
Angie, please confirm in writing that there will be no regging or anyone trying to sell me anything, and then I’ll let you know whether I’ll be attending.
ML,
SP
Why did you guys bring up the car parks? Now little hitler will get the sea org to hire cars to park there!
Good idea, Paul. They already have the uniforms for the parking lot attendants, so why not?
Clearwater? I have something to say about Crazy Cultwaters, Florida. I hate that place and will never go back there ever again.
I am watching a friend – who moved there thinking it will help her somehow. I fear for her well being.
I am an UTR, pretending to be “in” for the standard reasons.
I have a friend who is still a died in the wool Scientologist. She was married to a “born in” and they had children. They were both on staff for many years.
They had financial ruin for most of their married life – getting kicked out of apartments and houses for non payment of rent. Tax liens and many problems with money.
Why? Because they were on staff and did not get paid.
It was not rocket science to me but my friend thought the reason was: not being clear, her / his case, overts and withholds on the whole track, misunderstood words and the litany of excuses and justifications L R H had for why Scientology did not work.
My friend got some Scientology “services” of some type a few years ago where she went out to LA for a long time. She said she could not go to Flag for some reason only known to her, Xenu and the Flag MAA.
When she came back – she divorced her “born in ” Scientologist husband.
It was sad but SOP in Scientology.
Most Scientologists get divorced. The divorce stats are straight up and vertical in Scientology. In fact, very few Scientologist’s stayed married. They all end up playing musical chairs with other Scientologists. Getting rid of one for another.
Now my friend is with another Scientologist, who quite frankly, does not seem very up tone to me.
He looks like a loser. The new 2-D has nothing to give her but a fresh new sex life to offer her, which will fade away like the wins in Scientology.
Sigh….
Back to the 3rd party in Scientology – Who is the 3rd party to everyone’s conflict????
It’s SCIENTOLOGY! Scientology destroys marriages and relationships.
My friend reached the Scientological “3rd party phenomena” where Scientologists have to name the “WHO” as to why Scientology does not work in their lives after she came back. It was her husband….or maybe he named her.
Scientologists divorce each other for the craziest reasons. Many divorce each other because they are not “Scientological enough”.
I counted the divorces in our tiny little Org. I am sad to report that the stat is over the top.
Now my friend is in Clearwater thinking that will help her life. She is one hot mess. I hope she wakes up.
I also have a friend in CW (OTVIII) and the regs talked him into spending $20K on some new services because his business is not doing very well. At some point in time I hope to show him that if you google his name it comes up with all sorts of scientology references. No wonder he is not getting any new customers. If he spent that $20K to scrub google he would be a lot better off.
The EP for the Suppressed Person Rundown is the identification of David Miscavige as the source of all the suppression.
Want to bet the staff at Flag haven’t got a clue what these public are lecturing about anyway?
How to give swimming lessons on the deck of the Titanic would be a good theme for them.
I think you are, like Terra Non-Cognito, scraping the bottom of the barrel with this story Mike. Back in the 70s and 80s we often had public members delivering lectures and Church services and the staff were glad for their help and this probably has been carried forward over the years as well. So to make out that because this is occurring is a sign of desperation is somewhat misrepresentative. Whether Flag’s stats are down or not I haven’t got a clue but it is nothing to do with allowing public members to speak/lecture or not. Hubbard never stated anything against such either, you have thrown in his purported reaction to the Missions apparently ripping off the Church into this scenario to give it some sort of credence.
Obviously you have never read the LRH directives about WISE, but more particularly about the Flag Land Base. You know not of which you speak.
I recall the days of FLAG tours with hot shot Scotty Chinchar held at a Bonaventure ballroom to drum up business for flag. Now, all you see are IAS fundraising events and OT8 men running these “seminars”. And hardly any women, sexist mofos on top of all this other shite.
Your last sentence is your absolute dubbed-in nonsense.
No I haven’t. What did he say then?
I smell troll droppings.
Get your head out of your ass then!
Maybe Clive Rabies and other SO members are in the Hole or on the RPF and that’s why Flag can’t come up with their own guest speakers for Flag regging events? Or maybe they are using Opinion Leaders (OL’s) to try to reach what few remaining public there are to light a fire under them to get them to Flag. My bet is Flag auditors are on the RPF for not having enough pcs. There is an LRH reference that if your stats go down cuz not enough pcs or students, even though it is no fault of yours, you are put on the EPF or the RPF as punichment. I know this because I met a woman on the EPF who was placed there because BC attendance was down and she was the Course SUp
Not sure where your org was foolproof. But in the 70s at the NY .org at the old hotel Martinique I never say any public do anything like what is happpening. We had George Goodrich in Div 6 who gave a great intro lecture. Sometimes our Class 8 CS would make a short appearance but never public!
Yeah, fine. Big events as I recall were always by SO, but my point was – so what (about public delivering lectures)? My point was I don’t see this as some sort of major index of success/fail. And Mike stated above he has some data about what Hubbard stated about this but he hasn’t posted it yet. And I’m not that bothered about it either way. But to create a song and dance about it – or rather an article – is over the top – that’s my point.
Sheesch Eff Pee, did Mr. Dementia give you a full weeks hall pass? You’re on steroids today but when will you be waking up?
The Cult is not yer friend ding dong!
FP, this is at the “mecca” of Flag, not any old org. If you or anyone else has relevant experience with how often public members were keynote speakers at events at Flag in the supposed good old days, then let’s hear about that – but I’ll take it from Mike, with his experience at the international management level, that it’s a change. My impression from afar is that indeed, until recently, speakers were high level Sea Org members, including from the ship.
I see this as a likely sign of the creep, or contraction, in which orgs become the new missions – small and delivering few services – and, as an expectable progression, higher level orgs then become more like local Class V orgs. It also seems to reflect the change in selling services delivered by auditors and course staff, to an emphasis on donations and paid “statuses” *
Also, I checked, and Pat Clouden is not really a “consultant,” but yet another of Scientology’s “hard sell” pitchmen, employing Jim Mathers and re-selling energy to customers much like Cummins’ and Bridgeforth’s business – though his company seems to have ended up specializing mostly in businesses, and to have some other angles like wrapping LED upgrades into contracts. I find it very interesting that almost no scientologists are successful because they are among the most highly trained professionals, or actually produce products that people want, and instead gravitate operations that involve hype tinged with fraud.
I see typical complaints that the company is basically a high-pressure sales operation, and won’t stop calling prospects even when repeatedly asked not to. Employees’ critiques of the company follow familiar themes:
“Cons
It’s the energy business, you will rip somebody off today! SCIENTOLOGY Strict L. Ron Hubbard management style makes advancement difficult. Low-lifes always revolving through.”
“Cons
Boiler room bullies, management steals from employees, employees rip off customers and the owner controls the chaos.”
https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Consumer-Energy-Solutions-Reviews-E623569.htm
* It occurs to me that one of the advantages to Scientology of focusing on donations rather than sales of services, is it reduces the liability presented by money left on account from advanced payments never used, which accounts for a huge portion of Scientology’s reserves, but is always at risk of clawback in a legal reversal.
“* It occurs to me that one of the advantages to Scientology of focusing on donations rather than sales of services, is it reduces the liability presented by money left on account from advanced payments never used, which accounts for a huge portion of Scientology’s reserves, but is always at risk of clawback in a legal reversal.” Excellent point, PeaceMaker
It just occurred to me that the definition of Scn isn’t “knowing how to know.” It’s “knowing exactly what to say.” I never quite looked at it that way. But one could say that being a Scio is about having a set of mental templates that you plug in and use for all occasions and situations. It relieves you of the need to think in real and present time. Your thinking becomes a mechanical construct created by Hubbard, the Rube Goldberg of mental conditioning.
“But one could say that being a Scio is about having a set of mental templates that you plug in and use for all occasions and situations.”
The historian Robert Conquest wrote that for some members of the Soviet communist party (he included Stalin), Marxism or Marxism-Leninism functioned as kind of “a mental labour-saving device.”
There have been many other such doctrines, too, of course.
And Flag has no longer the highest trained Auditors and C/Ss. They were all removed, dead or RPFed.
The old veterans Class XIIs have been ‘replaced’ by new young kids that did a quick training on GAT, have no clue how to run power, the SHSBC has disappeared and the Class VIII, well, God knows.
They have 50 new young kids as Class XIIs and I bet more than half of them are on lower conditions, rice and beans, longer schedules as their hours are bellow 40 a week.
Some of the old veterans are FESing, some have left (I hope) and just 2-3 of them are still there.
Miscavige has accomplished his purpose of destroying the Orgs and Technology. His obsession for money continues, tough.
Would be interesting if oldtimer Cl.XII Malin Gelfan is still on that post. She was IN a couple of years ago at least…Another colleague of hers; Ragnhild McFarlaine, is out since years ago.
Yes, Malin (my aunt) is still there.
Thank You Elsa for the answer!
I met her back in 1982 at Flag – Her colleague Ragnhild was my auditor there though.
As I come from Sweden we preferably had swedish auditors there.
I only have NICE memories of them:-)
I guess she unfortunately has to be disconnected from you.
Her brother Sven I had a phone conversation with some 2-3 years ago and he had had a stroke so he wasn´t in the best shape.
Regards, “hälsningar” from Sweden!
Hej Stefan, haha, visste inte att Sven fick en stroke, det talade inte mamma om.
Jag hälsade på Malin en gång för många år sedan och stannade en natt på Fort Harrison hotellet. Tyckte själv det var lite kusligt att bara vara inne i lokalen, eftersom jag readan då visste hur illa det var med CofS.
Elsa
Jo, tror att kusligheten och mindre roligt och mer allvar med hela skiten började sommaren 1982 när David Miscavige och RTC tog över. Jag är fortfarande glad att vi var ett gäng som då lyckades lämna det hela.
Nu snart 40 år senare är det intressant att följa hur hela skiten avslöjas alltmer.
Ha det gott:-)
Where is David Gellie these days. I saw him go from Class XII to D of P @ the Sand Castle. He seemed a nervous wreck as D of P when he tried to sell me some kind of tape lecture series. Seemed to me that his days were over at that time.
Any mission near a mOrg is treading carefully and sending enough public to the mOrg to keep the mOrg off their backs. Poaching customers is a $cieno sacrament. That is, if the customer wasn’t fried in Purif.
Re Flag’s contraction, the Bible gets it right:
“Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.”
One can only hope the end is near.
It’s already over, they just don’t know it yet.
Forgive me a cruel chuckle at $cientology’s expense. Unfortunately for them there is no place for this blatant and abusive cult in the “future of society.”
In a weird way I gotta admire those who still “try” to do the right thing. I can’t imagine they aren’t exposed to some of the truth out here about the abuses and they have to notice the disconnections! The cognitive dissonance has to be worse than ever for them. I hope they find their way out soon.
Good. The ‘Empty Org’ (EO) cognition, with the End Point, “Time to leave this mess now.”, should start kicking in soon now.
And Peter Nagy is an ex-Sea Org member… they ARE getting really desperate.
Tick tock,tick tock, Time is almost up, I say be patient,you have to know DM is full on wiggin ??,their dirty little tricks are not working anymore, their constant letter bashing using the word bigot over and over until it is just predictable now, Theyre loosing this battle thanks to all who have contributed to the aftermath show and foundation and viewers who have been well informed, we unite and we fight, our numbers are big and growing every day, I have a feeling behind the scenes of the FBI , IRS and department of children and families,for neglect of children and the elderly, are all going to raid every place, in the end I hope they make all ideal orgs into a safe place to care for the elderly,and schools to educate the children who have lost so much, just my thoughts!
I can confirm the parking lots are all but empty during the times they should have cars. I have checked this on a regular basis, not just because I drive by often, but because it has been a good indication of the gradual decline of Scientology since 1990’s…
I believe for Flag’s Div IV and V delivery staff, this is a relief. No lines of PCs. No complaints about waiting. They are on vacation. For all the other divisions it must be hell. Miscavige blames others for his own mismanagement and demotes/RPFs people Willy Nilly one after the other until the only people that will be left are non-English speaking PCs and the semi-literate (in English) staff to match the foreign PCs like Taiwanese, Hungarian, Russian etc… these are the countries where A&E’s Aftermath is not broadcast.
“Broadcast” is the key term here. Scientology has NEVER been broadcast in a positive light since 1950. By 1953 it was bankrupt and in disrepute. There just has never been a regular “broadcast” of the “goodness” of Dianetics or Scientology since the early 50’s. Just spurts of both good and bad news. Mike and Leah’s Aftermath is the first sustained broadcast of Scientology and it is ALL bad news. There is no comparable counterpart of good news coming from Scientology. They are not broadcasting anything, including ANY denials or lawsuits for slander, etc… Instead Scientology is lying prostrate with a 1,000 knives knifes stuck in its decomposing body by the very members who created it.
Robert, thanks for confirming that. It’s an important, and telling, indicator.
Thinking it through, it occurs to me that there could be several factors as work, such as foreigners being less likely to have cars, and perhaps Scientology trying to exert more control over visitors by discouraging them from having cars – which in the case of rental cars, would also leave clients with more money to spend on Scientology. But it still has to be indicative of Scientology’s contraction.
And I wonder what all those staff are doing, if not serving customers. Scientology is already bizarrely inefficient and bureaucratic, requiring inordinate internal machinations (and high staffing levels) to get anything done, but they must be taking the art of busy work to a new level.
It seems to me that the current tidal tsunami of bad news began around the time of the 2011 publication of Janet Reitman’s Inside Scientology – and the CofS itself created plenty to report, like Miscavige’s physical abuse of staff, and The Hole. Typically, Scientology responded only very belatedly, with ScnTV, which is crippled by their organizational inability to ever do anything as engaging as news or a talk show format – even members have to be disappointed that there’s really little in it for them, as was promised, and it’s mostly just milquetoast propaganda.
Counting cars in the car parks is something anyone can do, and it is a good indicator of how prosperous any given Org is. Just needs someone to compile the stats, Google Docs springs to mind as a place to collect data.
When I was at the Sandcastle, I know that sometimes when there were local events, SO members who had cars or motorcycles were asked to drive them in to fill up the parking lots. I wonder how much of that goes on these days. Then again, I wonder how many SO members are even allowed to have cars these days.
Thank you for starting my morning with such excellent news. The end cannot come soon enough.
The end cannot come soon enough. That is so true. It is more true than most people suspect.
If I understand correctly, according to the last episode of Aftermath, there are many senior citizens at the Gold Base who have no money, no health insurance, no job skills and they keep getting older every day. Eventually, many of those people will suffer some severe crises – health crises – associated with diseases of old age. They won’t get any care from the current mgmt and I fear they are destined to suffer horrible treatment – actually lack of treatment – absolutely zero care. Eventually, there could easily be a terrible catastrophe and many of those people could be at terrible risk.
I think they are in a kind of “race” now. What will happen first? Will The Scam implode and die or will a number of these seniors get so sick and suffer so much they will have to be seen or there will be a huge …. well …. what do you think? If many seniors begin to get sick and require hospice care or hospitalization, will the current management try to sweep it under the carpet? If many die, will that have to be discovered and appear on many new media organizations with headlines like, “Many senior Scientologists are suffering from End of Life diseases but are refused medications and refused hospice care.
What will happen first? Will news of these seniors’ suffering have to be made public? Or can they somehow sweep it under the rug and never be found out?
Won’t Scientology undergo their normal SOP of kicking them to the curb, encouraging them “drop their meat bodies” so as to not bring extra work to other Sea Oger members. We all know that absolutely no compassion will be shed upon those whom can no longer pull their weight.
I think Skyler is on to something – at some point Scientology is going to face a crisis over the growing number of elderly Sea Org. They’ll no longer be able to be able to just hide occasional cases, and sweep them under the rug (such as Annie Tidman Broeker – who, at 55, wasn’t even elderly).
There are elderly international staff who Scientology doesn’t dare let out from under “baby watch” because they know too much, but as the number of those people increase and some start to need real medical care, it will become hard to manage. And if they start to “offload” more and more of the aging rank and file, including long-term local org staff, eventually growing numbers and inevitable tragic cases are likely to result in scandal in the LA and Clearwater areas – and some people who still know a bit too much, starting to talk.
Scientology is nothing if not cunning and, under pressure, resourceful, and they may well try to find some way to manage the growing problem. As with everything else, it will be important to monitor and expose them when it comes to their handling of the elderly and sick.
Yet another thing that might be done, would be an effort to advocate for and organize elderly and already “offloaded” staff – Chuck Beatty, are you reading this?
And the case of Scientology really exposes the problem that “religious workers” being allowed to go without paying into Social Security or having their employers make any provisions for their retirement and healthcare, is unconscionable and creates a burden on society that is really a sort of back door subsidy for the worst of “religious” groups – eventually the CofS could be held up as the poster child for reforms in that area.
Mike Keep On Going! Desperation Smells to the highest points available because if Scientology thinks having whales give OT sneak peek seminars to public is the way to go, well back in the old old days Old Ghost Ron would have vaporized them! Ribbon Yang Away miscavige the entire building will fall on you one of these days! XXOO Mike.?
I’d love to hear their Scientology OT woo sales pitches.
The Crystal Ballroom used to be for a while where Julie Grant’s course room was on one side.
And Al Baker’s course room was on the other side.
That ballroom’s had a long legacy of traffic over that floor over the last 40 years Scientology’s invaded the Fort Harrison.
And Dennis and Rosa Ehrlich upstairs and Mike Eldridge (who you should call and talk about his time at Creston – or have someone interview him for a podcast).
I thought Mike’s still somehow in good standing with Miscavige, I thought.
Breaking my heart … ok, not really …
Awwww, too bad. The walls couldn’t possibly close in on more deserving people. 🙂