The scientology cross
They are at it again:
Scientology pretending it is aligned with Christianity.
Celebrating Easter is even more hypocritical than celebrating Christmas — which almost transcends a religious holiday in most Western countries. But Easter, like Passover is truly a religious day, there is no federal holiday designated for these occasions in the US.
This is the day to remember Christ on the cross. And a day for scientology to try to cash in on their “christian-friendly” PR line.
But what does Hubbard have to say about this occasion? I have written about this before Can Scientologists be Christians or Jews Too?
Let’s start with his idea about aligning with and infiltrating Christianity:
“There is a difference between the CHURCH OF AMERICAN SCIENCE and the Church of Scientology. The CHURCH OF AMERICAN SCIENCE is a Christian religion. It believes in the Holy Bible, Jesus is the Savior of man and everything that’s necessary to be a Christian religion. People who belong to that church are expected to be Christians. These two churches fit together. We take somebody in as a CHURCH OF AMERICAN SCIENCE. It doesn’t disagree with his baptism or things like that, and he could gradually slide over into some sort of better, wider activity such as the Church of Scientology and a little more wisdom and come a little more close to optimum. Then if he was good and one of the people that we would like to have around he would eventually slide into the HASI. So we have provided stepping stones to Scn with these organizations.” — L. Ron Hubbard 4 Oct 54
But here is the real kicker — in the infamous Class VIII lecture called Assists talking about 3what was done to individuals on earth during the “Wall of Fire” 75 million years ago:
Anyway, every man is then shown to have been crucified, so don’t think that it’s an accident that this crucifixion .. they found out that this applied. Somebody, somewhere on this planet, back about six hundred BC, found some piece of R6. And I don’t know how they found it either by watching mad men or something but since that time they have used it and it became what is known as Christianity.
The man on the cross. There was no Christ but the man on the cross is shown as every man so of course each person seeing a crucified man has an immediate feeling of sympathy for this man. Therefore you get many PCs who say they are Christ. Now there are two reasons for that. One is the Roman Empire was prone to crucify people. So a person can have been crucified. But in R6 he is shown as crucified.
So, the core belief of scientology is that Christ not only didn’t exist, he is a figment of the reactive mind…
But some may wonder — why then does scientology use a cross as a symbol?
It’s explained officially by scientology: “the cross has long been a symbol used by man and the scientology cross has 8 points to represent each of the dynamics.” This is an “acceptable truth.”
But that is not REALLY why scientology uses a cross. If it was intended to represent the 8 dynamics it would be an 8 pointed STAR with all arms equal. No dynamic is considered to be more important than the others, yet the “scientology cross” does NOT have them equal in length.
Hubbard placed an enormous amount of importance on the symbols contained in “the R6 bank” — this series of “implants” installed in everyone on earth 75 million years ago. Here he is talking about this subject, again in 1968:
The whole population of the planet responds like a clock to R6 symbols. They respond to nothing else. They do not respond to reason. They only respond to R6 symbols.
Now I could give you much of the symbolism and so on which goes along with this but you find it recorded. This, of course, man responds to an exploding volcano [shows a DMSMH book front cover, which is an exploding volcano]. He responds to that. He understands that.
That’s the real reason scientology uses a cross symbol.
It is the cynicism of scientology highlighted once again — though THIS is really what Hubbard says about Christ’s crucifixion, they nevertheless seek to pretend otherwise and use Easter as a reason to get people to come in and give them money.
Really, Easter is a pagan holiday. Much like Christmas. Easter still retains the name of the goddess of fertility for which it is named. If Christianity can re-invent Easter, then so can Scientology. It can be a day of ‘getting one’s stats up’ and ‘making more money’. If your stats are up, you get a chocolate bunny. We’re doing Easter the L Ron way!
For me personally, I stopped believing in god, jc, and the rest of the gang when I was about 10. The whole thing about it being a benevolent, loving being then killing, smiting and destroying did not sit well with me at all.
Hello, good morning old friends and critics,
Ron reincarnate here, only for today.
And before I go ahead amd talk about myself in great lengths, I would like to convey my respect to Christianity and to the lord. Though I’m digesting my delux big breakfast at McDonald’s alone this morning, I have been to church on many occasions and, more often than not, feel a sense of appreciation for and connecting to the divine.
God, aside from the personalities you and I, appears to have a distinct persona. In our discussions over the past couple years, there has been hardly a mention of Jesus. From what I gather, Jesus is not coming back.
The motto, we come back, wasnt intended to be a gag. I came back but learned that the powers that be took bona-fide measures to kill off the Hubbard for good. Apparently immortality is not allowed to the broad public programming at this time. And also, Hubbard wasn’t winning I guess. Then again, several billion dollars worth of business backed by religious enforcement could give one‐ in need of a few extra dollars ‐ to make the case as so. Aside from money motivation, though, there is a religion in place, and respect goes to that.
There is a network operating on this planet that I never imagined. Very hushhush, well until I began to learn. Space opera exists like you couldn’t imagine, or maybe you can. The point is, it isn’t only backtrack, as it exists in this day and age. Just how to break it to the kiddos? Currently there are innumerable aliens watching our planet. I’ve heard mention of 1000 species other than our own exist. Supposedly a “central sun” type of inhabited world exists that manages planets amd so forth. There is an underground civilization way ahead of us. Full brain interfacing with AI, cruising ufos with one’s thoughts, bus drivers and wormhole operators alike.
Talk about god and angels and the most extravagant mastermind breathtaking collaboration – believe it. Our Bible goes way back.. doesn’t it? I’ve heard mention the book of Job to be the first written book. The first. But what of the stories…, like Noah’s ark survivig the great flood? So we have in front of us an epic survival story, where humanity survived thanks to a sailor and his bent on animal husbandry. But what of the other survival stories? … like the guy or gal or Grey, or great that had advanced mining techniques and made it to the inner earth geode sanctuary?
The planet earth’s surface is highly vulnerable. Thousands of satellite might be watching you sunbathe in your back yard on a given day… not to mention alien species, some of which may in fact be humanoid with”upgrades”, that have advanced intelligence gathering techniques a million years more advanced.
I’d like to give mad props to the great God. Operating thetan being a god wannabe. Capability through the roof, thanks for the life, getting the show on the road, and for …………. still being around…….. holy crap I never imagined it so. To all the beings higher up, the beings endowed multispectral (that was a typo, but fits so I’m leaving it) multitudes more than us smurfs, mosquitos, ants.
So easy to place the blame, on religious freaks such as myself, or the followers that fight the good fight. And who do I blame? Haha… the conniving corporate leaders that strategically devise inroads into your credit, just kidding. How about Xenu no longer with us, thank the heavens. Greedy forebears perhaps, sounds good. How about the previous excuses of the phenomena of contagion of aberration and the reactive bank.. just kidding. Today is not a day for blame. For whatever is worth, there is a really good side to life. And it would be my intention that whatever religion it is, it would help us realize it more and more.
Stepping into RONald mcdonald shoes for a day brings up quite the subject matter, oh I could go for days. Aside from any residual encouragement to process things that bring TA, and increasing KRC, I suppose I’ll take a moment to say this: in being invited to discussions regarding the human populations that reside *on the surface* of planet earth.. I’ve learned that we have a situating in front of us. It’s the oven, it’s the sun losing its MOJO and bloating into a fatty. It’s the insistence of the underworlders that it’s time for me to “move out of the way”.. their project is still under wraps, but from what I gather it is an enormous exodus, imagine a ship the size of Texas?
By all means, those that feel gravitated to heal the earth, my best goes to you. Personally, I’ve gone through the grief of losing our home and my ideation is primarily in the directing of plan b: a distant world with mountainous terrain adjacent an ocean. Aloha interstellar and so forth. But I mean it might be a ways before this could happen.. vital targets and conditional alike: develop compact fusion. Devilish the anti gravity system compete with controls etc. Build the ship. Scout worlds, and or hack the James webb. Traverse interstellar and back. Prepare as many as possible for the probability of living hell on earth, and do this in a pleasant way devoid of religious dogma. Provide a relocation strategy and transport service. Play world somewhere else. Or leave it all up to Musk and Co, God. https://youtu.be/N505JczoEGI
In any case, I still try to arm wrestle the fam to let me get the thing back. But it still doesn’t look like it’s in the cards. If by chance I do, I would be open arms to an amnesty all around, pay all debts as possible, and or provide a plan b for this cacoon world that I’ve come to love.
Thank you all for your participation, and for the help certainly. The money is likely going to good causes, I just wish it would be more honest and transparent. If I’ve been a f*up, ever, I apologize. OK, enough Hubbard blabber. By all means reply to this comment respectfully amd I will hear you out, possibly at some future point thanks to the bookmark.
I hope we can all keep a good attitude in the difficult time ahead. Thanks to the lord for rising again, and thanks to me and you for doing the same ‐ however unique you or I may be endowed with the source of life, or God’s honest guidance.
If I was to be totally honest with you , in regards to Christianity , I think here is one place that Ron really nails it … (pun intended, but no offense intended) …
lol even a stopped clock is correct twice a day
I still struggle with trying to solve Scientology’s problems, and having recurring, non stop, desires to do so.
The “religion angle” is truly truly their biggest Hubbard play.
The problem, is the practice part of Scientology.
The practice of Scientology is a pseudo-therapy and exorcism pseudo-therapy, all relating to the Scientology/Hubbard definition of the word “soul.”
Scientology is a “soul” focused pseudo-therapy, and then the upper levels (OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7) is a “soul” focused exorcism of bodiless (body-thetans) “souls” that infest and make up the human body.
Selling this pseudo-therapy, selling the training to become this pseudo-therapist, and selling the exorcism, is what Scientology “religion angle” religion is.
For sure, this has nothing to do, other than the all important Hubbard references mentioned in the comments and in this article.
World religions to Hubbard are lingering trauma memories developed into what are today’s world’s religions.
Hubbard’s “religion” is pseudo-therapy and exorcism to strip off from humans, these deeper trauma memories, using the Hubbard soul pseudo-therapy and soul exorcism.
Hubbard’s Scientology would strip off all of the world’s religion trauma memories off of a recipient, supposedly, of the Hubbard Scientology quackery pseudo-therapy/exorcism.
There is no fruitful way to spin this, at this time, since the word is now out on what Hubbard really felt about all these matters.
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I eventually grew to believe, that honestly, one had to just ignore all this side bantering and “religion angle” defense programs of the old Guardian’s Office and today’s Office of Special Affairs in Scientology, and if one wanted the “benefits” (the goodies, the results) of the Hubbard totem pole stepladder of quackery, that one just didn’t give any attention to all these side issues that Hubbard built up around Scientology, and just stuck to the “tech” (the quackery detailed writings and procedures) and did them.
Skip all the other stuff, skip selling it, skip defending it, just “do them.”
And the problem is, if you strip off all the “religion angle” parts of Scientology, that whole defending it on religious history good reasons (or not), the “tech” (the quackery) won’t deliver you into an “OT” supernatural soul status as promised.
It’s all a huge long failing scam, in truth. No one gets into super soul status able to do ESP nor soul fly out of the body.
It’s a quackery club, malicious, malevolent, backstabbing, backfiring, family spitting, financially ruinous, scam, that doubles down and counter attacks critics, due to Hubbard’s malicious DNA he’s embedded in the movement’s options for “progress” to their false promising soul rejuvenation goals.
Traditional religions who really bring about peace and human tranquility and virtuous behaviors in humanity, I can live with them. People who peacefully pray and mean genuine good to other humans, that’s fine by me. I told an ex Scientologist the other day, whose family told them to pray , I agreed. Praying peacefully sounds way better to me today than Scientology. I’m still a hard core atheist.
Even leaving aside all the “implant” nonsense and hubbard’s grotesquely dismissive tales about Jesus, scientology and Christianity (or Judaism, for the same reasons) are absolutely philosophically incompatible.
Judeo-Christianity portray God as the great Other. He is everything that humans aren’t. To name one major point, He’s the Creator while the universe and humans are the created. Although hubbard was clearly incapable of being philosophically coherent, according to his claims, we are the creators and sustainers of universes and even capable of becoming “god.” To all the Abrahamic religions, this is the height of blasphemy.
In the Judeo-Christian view, humans are intrinsically flawed but are loved by God and to be treated with dignity by other humans. In scientology, humans are considered intrinsically good. Which is promptly and entirely negated by the way that they are treated by the cult. Apparently, humans require micro-management and total control, mutual snitching, and frequent interrogation. Where that fails, fair game and disconnection kick in. Human dignity, if there’s any at all, applies only to “the able.” And those willing to submit to hubbard’s will.
Why is Easter the holiest day in the Christian calendar? Because according to Christian teaching humanity requires a salvation that no human effort but only God Himself can provide, as a free gift. By contrast, scientology is a method of effecting one’s own salvation, by following hubbard’s method and lining the cult’s pockets along the way. Easter is about God extending undeserved mercy and grace, two concepts entirely absent from scientology.
Even without taking sides, it’s abundantly clear that you can reject both of these philosophies as unpersuasive. Or you can choose one OR the other. But obviously, you can NOT have it both ways!
Happy Easter! Or, if you prefer, have a great weekend!
Agreed.
Scientology as you probably know, has been recognized for being more Gnostic like than Christian like.
Scientology’s “soul” practices are the Hubbard stepladder of intricate pseudo-therapy and then the secret upper levels of exorcism (OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7). All focus on soul trauma memories, ultimately, supposedly stripping those off and rejuvenating one’s core soul’s soul powers of ESP and soul flying, and god like “Native State” enlightenment like realization of being able to initiate one’s own “new” Home Universe, someday.
Clearly more Gnostic than Christian.
And most importantly it is clearly a scam, since NO one achieves the high false promises Hubbard falsely claims his stepladder of quackery will gain.
I take great pride in ruining their hypocritical easters. In this video I attempt to un-brainwash their children who are now probably in high school.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO2V10O7PTA
My favourite part was when you said the goat looked like the reincarnation of LRH 🤣
Well played sir! I hope to see more people doing what you’re doing!
Mike Rinder does not.
How come?
Why don’t you ask him?
Yes it is hypocritical.
This is the famous statement by L RON HUBBARD that there was no Christ and that Christ was an *IMPLANT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Wj5Bpo0VaI&t=13s
Around 1977 the GO was ordered to create a religious image in all orgs. Have auditors all put on black shirts with white collars and wear necklaces with crosses. Also hang some crosses on walls and outside the buildings. And begin to hold “Sunday services”. The entire purpose was to make orgs look like real religious operations. Having to create this “image” felt like such a lie. None of the staff liked the idea and only begrudgingly complied.
Jesus wasn’t “Christ the saviour”, no. He was a Marcabian missionary attempting to facilitate Earth’s invasion.
Part of a plan drawn up 78 million years ago by powerful interdimensional beings intent on enslaving this universe.
Implemented by their puppet Xenu, 3 million years later, with symbols and imagery first used by the Helatrobans, 43 trillion years prior.
Allegedly. 🤔
Speaking of that I just got a call from an Org and they are having Easter Lunch on Saturday at 1 o’clock and they would be glad to see me. He said to call him and let him know and he gave me his phone #. I guess on that list I’m still in good standing.
So, you going? 😉
LOL. I’d have to fly there. Not to close.
What’s a little false advertising and cultural appropriation to a MLM scam like $cientology?
I have spent now almost my entire life as a Theravada Buddhist so the subject of Jesus and the cross rarely comes up. Scientology can profess whatever they want. We have old ancient texts constantly talking about Jesus. If you get into the doctrine of impermanence, the subject goes away
It’s just like Mormonism. They too put on a public face about how they’re just like all the other Christian churches. Then you study with the missionaries and find out the first differences. Later on comes the temple and that really sets it apart.