EUS put out a promo piece to promote the amazing “success” they are having with Extension Courses.
They rounded up “winners” from all their orgs. I guess these people managed to complete a chapter in a book in a week (one chapter is one “extension course”).
But what’s missing?
NOBODY from the biggest ideal org ever — Tampa.
Nobody from the newest ideal org — Columbus.
Nobody from the ideal orgs in Orlando.
And nobody from the almost not there any more orgs in Battle Creek, Philly, Chicago and Boston.
With all scientology activity reduced to Extension courses, you would think they could do better than this poor showing.
It is indicative of the real state of scientology.
The “global bullbait” continues — scientology has shriveled to almost nothing but some empty real estate.
PS: Don’t forget all the states in “East US” that have NO ORG AT ALL:
Alabama
Arkansas
Delaware
Indiana
Iowa
Kentucky
Louisiana
Maine
Maryland
Mississippi
New Hampshire
New Jersey
North Carolina
Rhode Island
South Carolina
West Virginia
Virginia
Vermont
Wisconsin
That is twice as many states WITHOUT orgs as with them. After 70 years of “massive expansion.”
Planetary bullbait seems a little weak…
EUS is a “hole”!?
ALL of scn is a Wholly useless mess for the amusement of der Dwarfenführer!
Wow. Some great info in the comments! Stats say it all when there’s nonPR attached. 🤗😏
Eternity is a circle or a sphere going around. In purpose to be a eternal people must start and stop at a point in time. The circular or spherical thinking is superior the flat thinking.
Someone, help me out here, please:
Cincinnati is in the East?
Atlanta is in the East?
Detroit?
PUERTO RICO?
Yo cult,
Was geography really tough back in 5th grade?
Got MU’s?
Scientology can help you with that.
Much love,
Aqua
Something else that’s missing is greater racial diversity. Scientology sure is a white religion.
In the East United States I walked down 5th Avenue in 1972 and was routed into Scientology. The Mission on 5th Avenue was prosperous and had a very dedicated Staff. Courses were reasonable in price and the hope that Hubbard was real was even greater. As I looked at a picture of Hubbard above the Tone Scale Diagram, the events of the last two years went through my mind. The microprocessor had been invented along with the Sony Walkman. 12,000 were arrested in Washington DC protesting the Viet Nam War. Don Mclean was singing “Bye bye American Pie”. With a good job and a bright future little did I know that Hubbard was a fraud. “Bye bye American Pie”, “Good old boys were drinking whiskey and rye.” “The father the son and the Holy Ghost caught the last train for the coast.” In two years I was in LA going “Clear” with them.
George – “California Dreamin'” hit me and the same weekend Woodstock was happening I started hitchhiking toward California because I wanted to learn how to surf. I would have hitched to Woodstock but the New York State Thruway was already closed from all the traffic!
Previous to that I had lived in NYC for a year where someone handed me a pamphlet about scientology which had a lot of information about “the mind” which I found quite interesting. In my trek toward California I had gotten as far as Salt Lake City where someone mentioned Salt Lake had a scientology mission. I went in and signed up and about a year later I took the last train for the coast and landed in LA doing scientology.
You and I experienced similar events. It was a different world.
Baby Boomers reminiscing. Lol
Hey – A lot of us were party animals back then.
The corona virus has some positives. One might be breaking the Scientology magical thinking spell and as a result many members are actually waking up. I hope so. It certainly seems that way.
You know, with the pandemic there should be be more cruise ships up for sale to replace the MV Freewinds.
otherles referred to “MV Freewinds”….
Would that be “Moth-eaten vessel, perchance? Measles-infected?
I’m not sure why the comment I posted earlier is not showing up, but thanks, Peacemaker, for mentioning New Haven (my home town). I know that org got in trouble with the city some years ago over building permit violations. Anyway, the sooner it closes up the better. There is a mission in the small town of Collinsville, CT and one in Brunswick, ME (a smallish city, as I recall). That’s it for New England. These are probably run by a few die hards, hanging on, drinking the cool aid, as they have for years.
Bix, what’s left of the Collinsville mission and the one in Maine both seem to exist at the site of what appear to actually be private homes. That’s been the fate of a lot of missions that failed to make it in stand-alone locations – or that never got beyond someone buying a mission package, to begin with. The Connecticut mission is no longer listed on Scientology’s website, though the Maine one is.
And speaking of doomed missions, Ventura can’t be forgotten, which was unlikely to manage to exist for much longer after the former Santa Barbara org moved to an “ideal” building nearby, and is now likely to be pushed over the cliff by the current turn of events (and economics). I suspect quite a few of the other missions that were on the edge, many kept going by long-time mission holders who are getting old, will never open again.
Thanks for the update, Peace Maker. Good news about the Ventura mission. My brother and family once lived there, so I visited a lot.
I know it’s a little off topic.
However, some whisper received from Copenhagen tells me that after 2 months of lock down and with the orgs that no longer send money to the SO, many of the members of the Sea organization have had to find alternative solutions.
Some would seem a little extreme.
I really thought SO reserves would help, but it seems that that flow of money is only one way.
If anyone knows more, PLEASE let us know. Thanks.
I would hate to be the poor starving idiot that would suggest to Miscavige that money be sent down stream from Reserves. I think Miscavige would jump off his tanning bed, knock over his personal masseuse, slap the person with an imported steak prepared by his personal cook and hit the person over the head with an empty bottle of fine Scotch. No, the DB (degraded beings) SPs (suppressive persons) need to sink or swim. Miscavige knows that some how the loser staff pulled in the virus as a way to suppress him and prevent TC from visiting. Hopefully there is a grounding rod close by that Miscage can grab onto in order to release some of that OT charge.
Matt, you just made my day 🙂 and my night 🙂
Doesn’t old Hubbard-era policy say that there are supposed to be reserves enough to carry an org through for a year? That would seem to set a implicit condition for subsidizing orgs when gross income was less than essential expenses, though or course typically whether or not to follow policy often seems to come down to executive whim.
I imagine the problem is that would still cause DM’s stats of total assets to go down – unless the money was accounted for as loans that were supposed to be repaid. But at some point they will probably run into the problem of keeping the lights and water on at broke orgs, or paying the rent at the small and failing orgs that still don’t have their own buildings.
Thank Mat. Yeah probably it is gonna be as you say. My thought was mainly about the GLF (general liability fund) that should be for such situations and are as well SOR. They are in orgs account. But as you said DM should give ok and this is another story.
Poor guys. There to clear a planet and a sector of this galaxy but hostages of a sociopathic and perhaps dealing with problems like no proper meals and no toilet paper.
LMR, true that! It’s like Ron Miscavage stated recently in one of his wonderful podcasts “they aren’t clearing the planet, they(co$) can’t even clear a f*cking cul de sac”…….Lol!
Lol! T. Rabitt07. It is true, The number of members worldwide is enough to have a full concept of the scam. They entered since a few decades something called ‘extinction’.
They aren’t clearing anything, perhaps only their members bank accounts.
What do you mean by “extreme”? I’m curious.
They’re going to have to do a Danger Formula. “Bypass habits and normal routines.” I would think extension courses delivered by Sea Org members would be in sync with Hubbard’s Third Dynamic Danger Formula. Relying on extension courses for income instead of relying on the orgs to deliver courses in the orgs. And by appointing themselves deliverers of these courses they are doing another step of the Danger Formula: “Bypass the junior normally in charge of this activity”. And that may not sound extreme to us but to the cult it very likely is quite extreme. Then there’s CCHR’s Covid Conspiracy fundraising with its brand new pitch about how the Psychs are using the pandemic to scare the hell out of everyone and get all of us hooked on psych drugs. I would think that would be part of their over all Danger Formula filtering down from Upper Management thru the command channels and arriving as orders to all the Class V orgs. Just my 2 cents.
Imaberrated. I am still seeking infos about. This is why I put this comment. The money flowing up from the orgs and field has stopped since many weeks.
Personal stuff for hygiene and other necessities come out from staff pay. But now they haven’t money to make even a weekly FP of any kind.
What I heard (but must be confirmed) is that some asked money at home while other had to “find other ways”. This is what I am trying to get. What it means? Are doing some kind of partime stuff?
I believe that the betrayal perpetrated on these guys is really gross.
When you join the SO you accept to give away all your rights. You are there to serve.
Then the most obvious incorrect actions made to you or others and any betrayal becomes acceptable.
One gets educated how to feel responsible (guilty) for any wrong stuff that happens to him.
Perhaps it’s not too late to transform the Scion cult into an equally credible “Duck Dodgers In The 24th & 1/2 Century” cult. I would much rather worship Daffy than Xenu anyway since at least everyone would readily acknowledge it’s also a joke.
OMG!! Duck Dodgers! I loved that cartoon – thanks for the memory, PB! I’m going to be doing a little YouTube cartoon surfing later on.
And while I’m here, hopefully after the fallout from current circumstances, the Fartwinds can be easily replaced by the biggest “ship” they will need – an old dinghy.
One CHAPTER equals one extension COURSE? Is that the new math? Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
Scientology IS DYING!!! Hip, Hip die already!
Surfer Dude, what passed for scientology died years ago. IMO, the process started when Tubby went full-on paranoid and dove completely off-lines in ’79 or ’80. There were indications he wasn’t entirely in control before then, too. “His” directive disallowing all 2-D activities for SO members was strikingly not authored by him, but sounded obviously like a “Messenger” trying to sound more experienced than she was. I should have written to him to question what seemed to be an illegally-issued order as I very nearly did. Might have gotten me kicked out of the cult sooner than I was.
Scientology has become a Clusterfuck. And they’ll never get out of it.
NOBODY FROM THE TWIN CITIES? As a Minneapolis boy I’m hurt.
That’s also “WUS”
Small and failing orgs are represented – I see New Haven and Long Island, two we almost never hear anything from anymore. Battle Creek is the other easy to forget, virtually non-existent one in that grouping at the bottom of the heap.
I wonder how the SFOs in particular will weather the crisis. Their finances are likely to take a hit much as they did after the last recession – New Haven, Battle Creek and several of the others are infamously stuck with idle morgue buildings that they bought around the peak of bubble before that last downturn, and have never since been able to raise the money to renovate the decaying properties, even when the economy strengthened.
I’ve seen reports over the years that strugging orgs (and missions) have had their bills paid by “whales” when they were short of money to even keep the lights on, and at least rumors that some were missing payments “uplines” and having that money treated as loans eventually due to be repaid – supposedly (and meaning the amounts could continue to be counted towards Miscavige’s “assets” on the books). My guess is that this will be a tipping point at which many SFOs and even some of the bigger orgs get “emergency” subsidies to stay open, justified as a response to the current situation, and then that just becomes the new normal for an increasing number of the least viable of them.
Some of the smaller orgs in particular, would suffer greatly if they lost a critical long-time staffer – or a local whale supporting them. That’s a trend that’s been going on for a while, headed towards a tipping point as baby boomers age out – some may now decide they’ve gotten too old to be on the hamster wheel any longer and never come back to work org board positions, and others may be lost entirely.
I’m guessing that this will also be the end of a fair number of the remaining missions – many of those relying on aging missionholders and staff. We’ve seen a few of them trying to keep up activity such as hosting events, like the ones in Montrose (Foothills) and Sunland/Tujunga, but I think it will be a long time before older people can safely attend indoor gatherings in small spaces again, and the missions may lose their spaces and otherwise fall apart in the meantime.
The one thing that concerns me is that given the surprising and even disturbing prevalence of irrationality and pseudo-science around current events, Scientology might leverage that to lure some people in to do the purif or even auditing as a supposed cure, and then from there hook a few new marks for the asset-stripping “bridge” to contribute to keeping the scam going that much longer. Plus of course that the CofS is typically going to try to get members to turn over government stimulus checks and money for small business assistance – funds people really need and will be that much worse off without.
Oh yes, forgot Battle Creek
Battle Creek is easy to forget. Around 2010-2012 as the economy started to improve, they and a number of orgs including St. Louis made noises, and got quoted in articles in press, indicating they were about to get to work and move into the historice buildings they’d bought, before long – about a decade later, we can see how that worked out for them.
And Battle Creek, Michigan – that’s in the East too 🙂
Makes me wonder: if there’s just EUS and WUS, where in the United States does East stop being East and become West? And vice versa? Conveniently they just eliminate “North” and “South”.
If Scientology orgs were REALLY booming, there’d be at least 6 CLOs I would think.
PeaceMaker: Just to make sure: By SFOs, are you short-handing “Small & Failing Orgs?”
You mean to tell me that small & Failing orgs are still hanging around. Whoa!
Jere, yes, I’ve seen SFO used as an abreviation for small and failing orgs. Sorry if it wasn’t clear in context.
My Small-and-Failing-Org (SFO) was bailed out by CLO. They blamed the long-term inability to make money on me, the sole tech personnel, and declared me. I have no idea how they thought they would deliver services.
Imaberrated, I’m curious, how did they justify the bailout? Did they just give the org money to catch up on its bills, scapegoat someone (you – sorry to hear it), and write it off as a loss?
Scientology has such a strict doctrine of “exchange” – typically, at least as it applies going up the food chain – that I have trouble imagining just how they’d justify such a thing, though it always seems in the end that “command intention is senior to policy” and ultimately anything can be done when deemed necessary.
The org could not fail. That’s unthinkable. We had backlogged rent bills for months. CLO started paying the rent. That went on for weeks. We were expected to pay them back at some point. CLO was doing programs to find out why we couldn’t make money, so it could be resolved.
We couldn’t make money because the tech was bad. It was a long-term situation, so someone on those lines (and there was only me) had to be assumed to be knowingly preventing tech from being delivered standardly. There is a faulty assumption that Scientology is workable, and thus, delivered standardly, would bring in more business from satisfied customers. The “real why” behind the failure, which a Scientologist can’t see, is that Scientology has absolutely no workability, thus failure is inevitable.
Well, if the Real Why for that org’s failure was YOU, getting rid of you would have BOOMED their stats, no?
That’s what Hubbard says!
Get rid of the SP and stats recover! Because the SP was holding them down, deliberately. I know I read that somewhere.
So they got rid of you, their sole tech personnel…how are their stats now? How have they been since they declared you and kicked you out?
Rhetorical question for us, of course, but it would be great fun for me to ask one of the staff at your org these questions.
They moved from a building that was a bit too big for them, in the heart of the city, to a small building on the edge of the CBD. They’re going to get an Ideal Org building bought for them that is out of town, which is madness. Class V orgs have to be where people are, as they are first point of contact with the public.
Wisconsin has no org, and the only mission closed. Just us SPs running the state. 😊
Oh yes, forgot that one Becky. Added.
Wisconsin has no Org? And the Mission closed? Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha. Sorry. But I just love a happy ending!!!
No mention of St. Louis. I’m hurt!
In the scientology world that is “West US” – everything west of the Mississippi.
Twin Cities is West US too, always was.
Right Mike, My error. Even though the “ideal org” moved to St Paul which is on the East side of the Mississippi, it remained a “WUS” org…
Oh, so that’s how they decide what’s east and what’s west – the Mississippi River! Just like in the early 19 century. Got it.
Concerned, I’ve learned a lot about the St Louis mission from Saint and Fly among others and the place is a mess. I drive by every week or so and the place is in dissrepair. Apparently the inside is just as bad. It’s future is bleak.
Concerned Citizen:
Do not fret, the St Louis Org is empty and dead with no one going in. According to an inside mole, there is a hidden SP in the St Louis Org who is causing staff to leave. They can’t “confront and shatter” the SP. Only a few cars in the parking lot.
Last report, during the covid19 shutdown, Scientologist, Joan Spencer, spends nights to guard the extortion files.
There are two building in St Louis owned by Scientology.
The one on Delmar is currently the active, empty Org that Joan Spencer guards. Probably 10 staff total.
Then there is the real money maker for Slappy Miscavige. The St Louis “Ideal Org “ property on Lafayette is up for sale after extorting millions and millions out of the culties since 2007. It has sat empty for over a decade and culties pay around $60,000 in real estate taxes for the privilege of going broke after decades of fundraising by fraudster Chad Lane, ED and Matt Hanses, the other ED clown.
It proved to be a cash cow.
St Louis Org is circling the drain.
That’s some impressive inside information!
Interesting. And what’s probably true is that the “SP” is probably some senior citizen cultie who’s been there for decades doing all manner of unspectacular yet necessary little things to keep the place together. Figuratively keeping the lights in the place on. Maybe even literally. Paying the electirc bill. Buying toilet paper. That sort of thing. One day someone there will have to put head on a pike. He or she will be gone, and the org will collapse.
Dave and his merry band of Ess Pee hunters has never been particularly good at sniffing out the malcontents. Maybe GAG III will be an upgrade or perhaps the new and improved Briefing Curse will have the answer. probably not!
It took the super aware and always observant cult 38 years to find out I was actually an Ess Pee cleverly disguised as a $cientologist in good standing. Julians dad was one of the first people I met in 1975. 38 years later Julian summoned my then wife and SO employed daughter to his orofice to show them his declare order. I have yet to see it.
Yo Dave,
Let’s not rush into this ‘Detect, Confront and Handle thingy too fast good buddy! Take it slow and easy, have a sip or bottle of scotch and be sure to slap somebody while you are relaxing. It should help sooth yer corona jitters.
Yo Julian,
Mail me a copy …… you have my address. Yep, same one as always.
“Briefing Curse” 🙂
:”Yo Julian,
Mail me a copy …… you have my address. Yep, same one as always.”
Same with me: same address or 68 years, now — and it’s on file there as you’re still sending me many pounds of dead trees you *think* will convince me of the errors of my ways: staying quit of your cult since you unceremoniously beached me 39 years ago. Phone number last changed when I was about 8 or 10, when we were given a 7-digit number and I had to memorize the new one — a laborious process at that age. But you know that since we get your spam calls from time-to-time, still. Thankfully, caller ID allows us to pick up, leave the phone off to the side, and hang up when the open-line beeping starts to annoy us.
Holes you could fly all of Xenu’s fleet through!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wynski quipped:”
Holes you could fly all of Xenu’s fleet through!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
Especially since Xenu and his fleet were such poorly-told fantasies of Tubby’s fevered mind.