Saturday, time for Terra Cognita!
Everything Takes Longer in Scientology
Scientologists may be cause over Matter, Energy, and Space. But “Time?” I think that ability must be addressed on OT 11.
I would be generous in stating that all targets set by the church take twice as long as they say they will. If management sets a target of ten hours…double, triple, or quadruple this number. If the Director of Processing or Director of Training says an auditing or training action will take eight weeks…change the word “weeks” to “months.” If church leader, David Miscavige—master of prevarication—says something will open in six months, add a couple of years to his tale.
Courses
All Scientology course checksheets include a projected time for students to complete the program. Every single target on every single checksheet is a fabrication. If LRH—or whoever invents courses and checksheets these days—writes that it takes five weeks to complete a course, I guarantee it will take five months. Or longer. Many students take a year or more to complete courses.
Apparently, a large percentage of Scientologists are afflicted with learning disabilities.
Auditing
Scientologists are given what’s called Tech Estimates—TEs for short—on how many hours of auditing they’ll need to complete a particular level. TEs are always false—if not outright lies. If a CS (case supervisor, who estimates the number of hours) says a PC—pre-clear—needs two intensives (one intensive equals twelve and half hours) to get through a particular action, I can almost guarantee it will take four or more. Ka-ching!
It’s axiomatic that all TEs must be doubled or tripled to arrive at a true estimate. And at thousands of dollars per intensive, we’re talking a good chunk of change. And this is if you’re lucky. Or have been a particularly good boy or girl and not in need of “a clean-up.”
It’s not uncommon for people with TEs of two or three-intensives to take hundreds and hundreds of hours to finish a particular grade chart level. Double or triple that time if they need “repair” actions first.
People famously get raped at Flag for huge amounts of hours for actions that were promised to take a few hours. Horror stories abound of people paying outrages sums for auditing actions they’d completed years earlier or for sec checking that never should have been done. Guarantee #2: Someone reading this essay experienced this phenomenon.
Going “Clear” always takes years longer than church members imagined—or were led to believe. Sitting in a Scientology registrar’s office for the first time can be a revelation. The length of time and what it costs to go “Clear” is often a shock. The decades and hundreds of thousands of dollars it costs to reach OT 8 at the top of the Bridge is always hidden from new initiates.
Clearing the Planet
Our planet was supposed to have been cleared by now. OTs were supposed to have returned from the ship and turned their communities into islands of paradise—spreading reason and sanity wherever their soles touched the ground. Unfortunately, Scientology’s mastery over the space/time continuum has been slightly retarded and Earth is no closer to being “cleared” than when LRH made such pronouncements decades ago.
Despite the eight or nine OT 7 and 8s “working” to reverse its arrested development , for my town’s as clear as a week old banana.
Ideal Orgs and Other Piles of Bricks
By now, the planet was supposed to have been plastered with ideal orgs teeming with thousands and thousands of new people walking their hallowed corridors. Nothing could be further from this fantasy. This program, which was supposed to have been completed years ago, has barely scratched the surface.
A number of these buildings have sat vacant for years for lack of funds to remodel them. The few that have been completed are empty save for a small cluster of aged part time staff going through the motions of supervising an equal handful of gray-haired students repeating courses they first did in 1975.
The “Super” Power building in Clearwater took years to complete—far longer than was promised.
Scientology Media Productions—SUMP
Scientology’s latest broadcasting studio was supposed to have been pumping out advertising twenty-four/seven, driving thousands and thousands of new acolytes into ideal orgs. To date, we haven’t heard one word out of the facility.
Four or five years ago, they paid a top-rated advertising firm millions of dollars to create a string of commercials that have yet to air. Unless, SUMP is filling the three to three-thirty A.M. time slot on channel 487, their schedule of getting up and “running” is like all other Scientology targets: Fantasyland.
Training at Flag
Missions and Class 5 orgs are regularly ordered to send staff members to Flag for auditor and supervisor training. In typical Scientology fashion, these outer-org staff often end up staying long past their target-to-complete dates. I speak from personal experience.
Years ago, I was shipped off to Flag for training shortly after joining staff at my local mission. When I arrived at the Fort Harrison, I observed students, who were supposed to have finished their training in two or three months, mired in courses they’d started two or three years earlier. A girl from my mission had already been there over a year. I was determined not to end up like them.
I put my head down and powered through my courses, saying NO to every attempt to divert me from getting home on time. I refused to participate in any new “pilot” programs; I refused to “help out” here or there; I refused to do anything that would deter me from quickly completing my program. I’m proud that I only took six weeks to finish my Hard TRs course and full division secretary hat—despite all the Flag staff trying to prolong my stay.
Events
The only things Scientology gets out on time are their events. Which makes sense. Attending a New Year’s event in February or celebrating LRH’s birthday in July would be slightly out-PR.
Considering the huge, free, Sea Org labor force at the church’s disposal, the church is able to bring these events off on time. Since these gilded lilies have devolved into glorified fund raising and PR affairs, it’s not surprising that DM makes sure events happen when they’re supposed to.
Last Words
LRH famously said “speed of particle flow alone equals power.” From what I can tell, Scientology’s sluggish particles equal a condition well below that level.
Still not Declared,
Terra Cognita
I was sent to Flag for training for 3 months when I was a young teenager. I arrived back home out of the SO 9 years later… having seen my family perhaps twice in that time…
Tomorrow I am going to take the 90 min run (traffic being kind) to check out the Atlanta Org. Since they were cited by the city of Sandy Springs to clean up graffiti I can’t find anything else. If anyone is interested I will upload the pictures and any information on any staff that might be there.
Very interested. You will enjoy my post tomorrow and can perhaps add to it…
windermama, thanks for being willing to go out and do some information gathering. It really helps when we get current information about what is actually going on at the locations, even just hints about the number of people and amount of activity, and in the case of missions whether they are even open at all.
I believe that graffiti citation dates back several years to when their “ideal” building was still empty and awaiting renovation, and they were actually operating out of another location. If they are in trouble with the city since they occupied their “ideal” building, that would be interesting news.
I suggest being very careful about engaging with them, unless you’re used to dealing with similar situations such as the religious people who come knocking on doors in pairs, or strong-arm salespeople. You are unlikely to sway a true believer with anything you say, so it may best just to stick to information gathering. My favorite subterfuge is to pretend I’m looking for something Christian Science, or a different address (look in Google, or drive down the road, and find something like a bank that has an address with some of the same digits in it), excuse my mistake and then leave after having had a chance to look around briefly; if there’s a comfortable opening it may be possible to ask a bit about what’s going on there, before begging off to return to the hunt for Mary Baker Eddy or change for a hundred….
Oh, and be aware that since Scientology monitors these forums and can act on information gathered with surprising paranoia, tthe org staff might even be warned to be on the lookout for someone taking pictures or asking too many questions. If that possibility bothers you at all, just wait a couple of days and they will likely have forgotten about it in light of some new crisis (by Thursday, they will be frantic over the week’s “stats”).
Good luck, and I look forward to hearing what you find out.
p.s. I never have figured out what if anything is going on with the Kansas City org – if anyone did check it out, please update us.
Mike and Leah congrats Priscilla Presley has just announced her leaving the Cherch of #cn after 40 yrs. So mother and daughter huge artists leaving this cult behind there is still hope for others T.C. J.T..
“Who Takes Longer, Scientology or the Feds?”
That’s a question for the millennium.
Tony ortega blog down today.
Yeah must just be a coincidence. That makes sense.
Its working fine for me, just so you know.
Now Ortega’s website seems to be down. I get “Server not found” message. $cienos are really ridiculous.
An hour later, and after trying several times, I got through… False alarm, I guess.
P.S. You may as well delete my comments, then.
I could not get anything the whole weekend. The posts were there but I could not see any comments. Finally it started working Minday letting me see comments made on Saturday and Sunday’s blog. I had to re-subscribe today anyway because no blogs was coming through after Sunday. Loved Tuesday’s program. It was enough to boggle the mind. I guess that is point the church is trying to make.
Rinder is back yeeeeh! I thought Scientology had hacked the website
I thought the same about Mike Rinder’s site. Everytime I tried to open it I got error and forbidden site. This lasted all weekend. I was so relieved to see it up this mornings ng.
The only thing forbidden should be Scientology……………
Same problem here. I got through it by going in under and incognito window. After that it was all good.
Snipe hunting will always be just snipe hunting, whether fast or slow.
The slower the more time wasted figuring out it’s a snipe hunt is the only consolation for doing it fast.
LRH does challenge for quitters to quit fast.
The faster someone quits the better.
Best to never join, and not waste any time at all.
No “OTs” yet.
How could anyone get sucked in by such a Pile of BS like “Scientology” put together by a gut sprung chain smoking pill popping philandering malingering con artist psychopathic POS second rate science fiction author with a mouth full of rotten stained teeth is beyond me. That is truly incredible. it’s too bad for the world that L Ron Hubbard wasn’t aborted by his mother.
Actually it’s a good thing that LRH got into religion and not politics.
Here, here!!
Retro active abortions like Hubbard wouldn’t upset me much. Talk about a meat body!
Very intelligent and articulate people from what I’ve observed have joined and left
It’s what’s changed my mind about the How……..now it’s about getting to the “still ins” and getting more great people to speak out !
Hope your reading all this David Miscavige in your Keebler Elf treehouse. No doubt this is all making you very enturbulated, which I think is Scientology for “mentally constipated”. Or something. But hey who cares. Your IRS tax dodge “church” ? is going down in flames now. Thanks to folks like Mr Rinder and Ms Remini who are brilliantly using the Internet to wage an asymmetrical holy hell no holds barred war against the “church”. I got me a dozen barrels of popcorn to kick back and watch this all come crashing down around your shoulders Mr. Miscavige. YOU are going to be disconnected, and hopefully reconnected to a prison cell.
“Keebler Elf treehouse”…good one, LOL!
Amen, Ahem!
Keebler Elf? Naw. Next Xenu cannon fodder in the volcano.
Mike – Since Scientology And the Aftermath has been on and the general public now has their suspicions confirmed, how can Scientology backtrack? There was so much speculation when Nicole Kidman & Tom Cruise divorced about why, but more so why their kids never spent time with her. Then the sudden split with Katie Holmes and Tom never spending time with his daughter. Your show has now explained that and there’s no way that cult can lie it’s way out.
BTW – I own a Hyundai and will never use Geico.
I just read Priscilla Presley has left the “cherch ” wow. I bet she has “great ” stories to tell..another nail in the Scientology coffin…
GEICO gave me worse guote in the world!
Reminds me of a joke I first heard attached to a military training course: “Five days of information packed into three weeks.”
Their standard operating procedure is similar to an automobile repair shop….they keep finding something wrong with your vehicle and all you wanted was a tune-up. Pretty soon, your vehicle is held hostage and kept for weeks all the while your costs increase. The only difference is you have the option of saying F**k You and taking your car elsewhere. Well….actually, you can tell the cult FU its just that no one realizes they can do this until years later.
I too was a victem of scientology some
32 years ago. Lost marriage home and
all a long time ago. No I was not foolish
enough to sign that Sea Org contract but
my wife of 7 years was. After she had
taken out several high interest loans
and I was foolish enough to loan
Her 10,000 for her clear.An addiction
is an addiction usually with negative
endings. After going clear she handily
applied the non exsist formula to me.
Of course i have yet to see a dime of
the 10,000 payback. She even went
as far as to tell her aging father well
Dad, your going to die anyway so
give me my inheritense now.An addiction
Is truly an addiction!
I’m so sorry this happened to you but it sounds like a common theme between spouses where one is drinking the koolaid more rapidly then the other. Her comment to her father is emotional detachment in action at its best. Pathetic and sad.
Mike,
Glad your sites back up. Them damned cult hackers. Screw’m.
Mike, do you think OSA hacked your site?
Of course. Who else would be motivated to do it?
Mike, it appeared to some of us that probably your hosting service, and all the websites they host, was down, presumably in some large-scale failure or attack. Was your blog really specifically targeted?
Peacemaker, what other site hosted by the same company were giving the same error?
Wynski, good question.
Dice and I both saw the hosting site webserversystems.com listed in the DNS for the blog, and found it to be offline (which it still is). I don’t think there was any other evidence that Dice looked at, but that in itself appeared to indicate that the whole hosting service was down and thus that it was probably a large attack whose specific targets was not clear. However, I now suspect that for some odd reason, the host service may not even maintain a working main (index) page at the site where it would expected to be – that, or it’s still down and they haven’t bothered to fix it. And I, and I don’t think Dice, thought at the time to track down any other clients of the hosting service and see if their websites were having trouble.
As I acknowledged at The Bunker, it was an interesting example of appearances being deceiving, and sleuthing probably having led to a wrong conclusion.
Didn’t I see reports that another site at the same host of someone else, like Headley or Smith-Levin, was also affected?
Hey Mike, we certainly know OSA is capable of this and worse but I heard that the entire host server was taken down. If there are several hundred web sites attached to this server, might there have been another site that was targeted. In these times of polarized culture and politics, there are possible plenty folks with a perceived motivation for attacking the server.
I will take your word for it though and I’m glad you are back in business.
No, the other sites were being affected because of targeting my site. So the host took my site down to protect all the others.
Wow, Mike. I know I shouldn’t be but I’m shocked. It’s always worse than you think. I’m glad you are up and running and I hope the criminals behind the cyber attack are tracked down.
Dear Mike. I was perplexed to say the least when I could not get on your site Saturday and Sunday. I would try and be directed to Forbidden site. Too bad that this had to happen but I am relieved you are back up and running. Have a good day and keep up the great work.
Do you think Scientology did it? Nah! They’re the most ethical beings on Teegeeack! They’d never stoop that low. Couldn’t be them.
Wow. They’re so desperate to keep the truth hidden, they attack your site — as if that’s going to stop anything at all. Such fools.
Thanks for confirming this, Mike. I’ve been wondering as well.
Thank God your site is back up. I thought that I was blocked or something. Keep doing the good work you all are doing. You are obviously hitting a nerve.
Best thing since buttered bread I reckon. The enemy that does predicable things is only an enemy for a short time.
Interesting that this morning (Monday), Tony Ortega’s Bunker is unreachable, too. Them scio SPs are busy little beavers!
Hopefully there will be some evidence, yet another footbullet for the CoS.
Headline: “Multi Billion Dollar Church Attacks Critic’s Website”
To pull such a childish prank once again demonstrates to the world that Scientology truly is composed of a bunch of little sh**heads.
Keep firing those foot bullets, you infants.
To:WhatAreYourCrimes
From: David Miscavige COB RTC
Re: our childish prank.
We will keep firing those bullets, you SP! And we are not a bunch of sh**heads! We are the most ethical group on the planet! We will do whatever it takes to eliminate people like Mike Rinder and Leah Remini! Then I will be supreme ruler of Teegeeack and I will have you thrown into a volcano and H-Bombed!
ML
Dave
They kept telling me “You don’t have permission to access slash on this server”: I couldn’t help but read that in Samuel L. Jackson’s voice.
To:bobxtm
From: David Miscavige COB RTC
Re: why your server was down
That wasn’t Samuel L Jackson, that was me! And if I say you don’t have permission to access this server, then you don’t! I decide who has access and who doesn’t! Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to go deal with AngryGayPope. He’s harassing the PAC security guards again! I wish Odo would deal with this already!
ML
Dave
Like Carbonite and LifeLock, GoDaddy should prosecute.
Speaking of staff at Flag regging OOS’s, I got regged by Harvey Jacques and survived intact!
“…Earth is no closer to being “cleared” than when LRH made such pronouncements decades ago.”
Indeed, that “star-high goal” has actually been getting further and further away in each and every successive year since Elron announced it!
That’s due to the fact that *doh* the earth’s population has been growing at a net rate of a more than 1% per year since then, instead of just standing still and allowing $cn to slowly whittle away at that static number. Given that discouraging news, $ciloons will be even more shocked to learn just how far behind the cult is actually falling.
Based on the official cult stats (as reported in Vol. 53, issue 2, of The Auditor) there have only been a little less than 68,000 clears made in all the decades since since the cult began counting, but the net population increase for just today is currently around 124,000… and counting! See here http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/
Thus, in just one single day the world’s net population (i.e., births minus deaths) is going to increase by a number than is more than double the total number of clears ever made by $cn in the entire history of its existence…even if we don’t subtract the number of cleared folks who’ve died since attaining that status!
Based on those objectively-derived numbers, it’s crystal clear that one of the biggest of the cult’s BIG Lies has been telling its parishioners is that any kind of progress toward clearing the planet has been made at all.
Wake up, you silly $cilons, and quit listening to the HUGE and very easily discernible lies that DM has been feeding you!!
“biggest lies is telling parishioners that progress is being made to clear planet”…
Instead of creating “clears” they are creating “SP’s”.. .. How are these people not able able to see this is beyond me…
For some reason I don’t take much comfort in the fact that the world population is increasing in relation to the COS. Maybe I should – but 20,000 or so $cions is 20K too many. It’s a malignancy on the human population. It has to go.
HF: Love your Harpoona math!
Unfortunately you have to be willing to see the lie to actually see the lie. Snake oil, if mixed with enough whisky can make anyone feel good. Damned if Davy will be willing to see the truth long enough to tell the truth.
They have been treading water and shutting down all of the *bad juju* like child labor camps, the hole, fair game and hundreds of other Hubbard bullshit shit. I think Davy must be waiting for his *space ship to come in* to save his worthless ass and take him to the stars and share drinks with Lazarus Long.
Dave,
Empty Barrel Update:
Has your image as the Frederica Wilson of your cult been carefully cultivated, or did it just blossom naturally from your ‘all hat and no sheeple’ reputation?
Dear Mike Rinder,
The short time your site was down revealed to me that: I AM ADDICTED TO YOUR SITE.
I didn’t get the shakes or DTs, but I am damned if I did not check your site hourly until it came up. Best to you.
jim
I was going through major withdrawals! I’ll bet the cult was behind it.
Ha, ha, that’s what I thought at first. I thought some scion troll was just messing with ME, and was relieved to find out it wasn’t just me. Yeah, I checked it a bunch of times, too.
Was checking a bunch as well ?
LOL. Its like nicotine or caffeine; you don’t know how addicted you are until you stop. Aaah, the pain! What will we do without you, Mike, once the cult is no more? 🙂
Aqua,
Have a huge party with FAMILY and friends. Maybe chant:
Before enlightenment, chop wood haul water,
After enlightenment, chop wood haul water
Roger on the party and chanting, jim, but in an enlightened condition or not I do nothing that can’t be done in high heels 🙂
Lol 🙂
Ditto on the withdrawals….I resorted to reading Alanzo’s blog after Bunker…that’s. How desperate I got. Won’t make that mistake again. I’ll just snort a line next time..
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On the same stream of thought. Kept getting 409 – forbidden territory and suspected angry trolls at work. Read Tony Ortega and finished Jefferson Hawkins’ book. I have come to the conclusion that Scientragedy will never clear the planet but will eventually clear the planet of themselves. Internally they are like an extremely dysfunctional family with Daddy McSavage as the abusive father and children jockeying for a position of favor while steppping on the fingers of anyone around them. I hope people in this cult wake up from the nightmare and realize they have a choice.
Glad Mike is back on line !!!
OMG, Teen – Alanzo? You don’t ever want to sink that low again. 🙂 Yes, do a line next time 🙂
Oh my gosh! Me too! The work is too important to let those jackasses win.
Dear TC,
I may have spotted the WHY that the scienos have not declared you………………. and probably never will.
“”I put my head down and powered through my courses, saying NO to every attempt to divert me from getting home on time.””
By stating that (above) you showed: They could NOT shift you from your purpose/path; They had NO holds on you through their stimulus/response tactics; They could NOT throw smoke and mirrors in your path; Nor could they shame/blame you into their web. They have no other methods or techniques in their playbook.
In short, you were a self-confident, organized and competent, independent thinking, and successful Source that they had no power over. If anything scares the britches off bureaucrats and org sheeple it is someone with your characteristics. Additionally, they see that they are powerless to slow down hurricane Leah and Mike, and publicly dumping on you would add yet another voice to their overwhelm when you came out swinging on them.
The internet and Anons shattered the invincibility of the orgs, a slew of books followed that and hammered them relentlessly. And now able and articulate individuals are putting the truth out in the light. The last thing they want is one more public voice adding to the revelations of their overts.
Here here!!
Jim: You are tooooo kind.
It’s really great to see your site back up, Mike. Hope you’ll keep us apprised of what exactly happened.
Enjoy your Sunday.
Spot on, my friend. We’ve all experienced these nonsense estimates to complete stuff. It’s so interesting to find out it wasn’t “only me” who never, ever completed anything “on time.” LOL
Along this same subject, I want to forewarn anyone who might be considering going to the Freewinds.
Once aboard, you’re trapped and there ain’t no leavin’ till they let ya go!
My wife and I went there for a vacation and to do a service, several years ago. We were guaranteed we would be done and back home in 5 – 7 days max, including excursions throughout the Caribbean. Well, guess what? There were NO excursions other than to the registrars offices to be fleeced for donations. We busted our asses from 9am to 10pm, 7 days a week and it still took us 5 WEEKS to complete and another day or two to get ourselves “sprung” from that damned boat, while they continued to nip at our heals to pay for more services.
This is appalling, Bob.
Yes, that is appalling. Not even a snorkeling trip to show for it. Terrible.
LOL. I went on a Carnival Cruise with my wife a few years ago and didn’t like how they were nickel and diming us with “souvenir photos” at every opportunity. (I succumbed when scantilly clad chorus girl put her arm around me and the photog. snapped it). What a bummer you had such a hideous “vacation,” Bob. Obviously $cion lies as much to those inside the bubble as to the wog world outside.
But they don’t use scantily clad chorus girls to do it.
Oh man Bob. You and your wife must have been frantic. Like being hyjacked by pirates in the form of Satan’s Little Helpers. Terrifying.
Holy cr@p, Bob!
And the funniest part? After all that extended time on scamology services one is no more able, powerful or has more abilities than when one started. At least in the “wog” world if one takes a computer programming course one might come out of it with a new ability gained…
I was sent to Flag for training. My problem was they didn’t accept my previous training and, instead of one course, I had to do an additional 3 with two internships. I powered through. I found people to work with that were just as motivated. I completed Pro TRs in a week by sheer determination. Arriving early and staying late, I was able to complete each course in near check sheet time. However I was familiar with almost all the material – having read much of it before. The difficulty was getting through the drills and practicals. I hated Flag. The living conditions were awful. The RPF folks were around and I detested their treatment. I started picking a staff member and inviting the to meals in the restaurants with me. I made sure I didn’t cause them any trouble. I really felt sorry for them.
Aww so nice of you. I had a few ‘public’ that helped me and one that eventually got me out.
It meant more then you know 🙂
Cece, I love hearing the escape stories. Tell me the story of how the public person helped you escape?
Jaye Aither asked why people join scientology. This what Steve Hall an ex-scientologist had to say.
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/this-is-why-people-join-the-church-of-scientology-2012-7
I went and read that article. Steve Hall still sounded pretty delusional about scientology. He referred to Hubbard as an “investigator.” I agree; but the only thing Hubbard ever investigated was how he could con people out of there cash. All the rest was and is crappola. I see that this article was written in 2012. Hopefully Mr. Hall has wised up by now.
It takes more time and money to complete a ‘course’ than CO$ promised? Oh, it wasn’t a promise, it was a guesstimate. This ‘issue’ is so well known that customers have to wait longer to book another course because they know that they will be paying 2 or 3 times what book value of that course is.
Corporate $cientology knows about this ‘issue’ and has been heavily advertising completing ‘courses’ in ‘checksheet time’. I have to wonder if any one believes that?
When you’re getting sales resistance from your core set of customers, you have jumped the shark.
I jumped the shark once. But it jumped back at me and took a chunk out of my thigh.
I was told that I will go through NED in 3 max 5 intensives, 15 intensives later I was almost at the same spot and a sneaky guy from AOSH EU was discussing solo-auditor course and alternative route with me. Good Lord I can buy a Lexus just on money which I spent on grades and NED.
At the same time my wife needed 10 intensives for grades 3 and 4 (of course we were told about 3-4) and needed twice much time for her class 4 auditor training.
It was much cheaper to coaudit your grades.
Yep Terra, nail meet hammer. Spot on assessment of the organisational and predictability of Scientology’s projected technical accomplishments. It exists purely as a smoke screen and an implanted managerial subterfuge in the minds of Scientologists. They haven’t a clue what they are doing except demanding more and more money to fix everything they do in a broken system that doesn’t even come close to delivering what’s promised.
I use to hold the hat of Dir of Training for awhile as well as a heap of other tech posts (sup. auditor etc), have read all the issues of the Professional Supervisor course and without doubt to even attempt to run the technical delivery side of Scientology per Hubbard’s academy policy is IMPOSSIBLE – PERIOD! The checksheet and student point system is a sham and the penalties imposed on a supervisor if a student is even one day late on checksheet time is “suppressive” in the extreme. The policy side of running an academy is for the most part ignored for a very good reason – it can’t be done that way! What goes on in it’s place is a sick, high pressured, debilitating and expensive practical joke! Of course it takes far longer they imagine, they have got a fucking clue what they are doing in the first place, nor what the product is supposed to be anyway. The Bridge, especially with it’s space cootie tech is about as fairy-tale believable as Jack and the Beanstalk, same level of practicality.
Geezers, I can go on and on about this subject of technical delivery and how fucked up it is and so full of lies and mythical states but you are very correct in your overall assessment Terra, VWD (lol).
I do however, remember have a screaming match in the CS’s office once for which I was servery reprimanded – I just insisted and then demanded the CS allow a PC to do an actual Bridge action and not another review of a review! Boy, didn’t the shit hit the fan over that. Another typical case of church insanity created by trying to follow or interpret Hubbard’s policy and technical instructions at the same time.
Oh, last note on technical fuck ups – no matter how good it appears on paper co-audits are as farcical as everything else in Scientology. In the 10 years I was in technical delivery I only ever saw ONE pair of co audit partners take each other ALL the way up to Clear. Took ’em years too… and guess what – both of them blew after OT3 anyway very dissatisfied with the amount of reviews and other bullshit foisted off upon them. It cost then a fortune as the system, in the end didn’t recognise their co-auditing as valid, their Clear status were revoked and they tried to get them to do it all again as a paid service.
I, like so many others tried really hard to make that system work. The simple but painful conclusion is it doesn’t work! How I remained so blind for so long is what I still wonder about today. I want my decade back!
Oh… it also says right there in the tech, when a PC says a review is over, it is over! Yeah right! Biggest piece of bullshit ever written.
Few typos above, as usual, please forgive, but you get the drift. This particular subject makes me very angry.
I drifted away once. But a reg found me….in Kenya.
On safari, Old Surfer Dude?
I went Clear on a coaudit and then audited many FPRD Lists on a coaudit. And the Clear thing held up in the many “Clear Checks” that came after that. It can be done.
I co-audited to Dianetic Clear on the Dianetic Drug Rundown as it was called around 1980. I don’t recall saying “I mocked it up” but I realized my unwanted attitudes, emotions, sensations and pains were based on and held in place by initial considerations rather than locks, secondaries or engrams. No more reactive mind, subconscious mind, negative memories stored in some section of the hippocampus, or whatever you want to call it affecting me. Some degree of introspection on the past would be beneficial in moving forward imo.
Of course it would. Where one is now is the result of what came before. Scio has screwed the pooch by adding in so many arbitraries that one can never actually get to the core of things.
Oddly, I recently ran an “earlier similar” on myself and blew through a significant problem I’ve had since I was FOUR! A week later, my wife commented, “I feel like I’ve married a different man.” So introspection can have dramatic results … IF one is being truly honest with oneself.
I’d say most people don’t go into things too deeply. They just get on with living life. Anything realized in scn can certainly be realized by other means if someone is interested. A problem with scn is taking on a superior attitude. For years I carried forward a belief that I knew things others didn’t or couldn’t. Probably anyone who studied or participated in a religion, philosophy, cult or whatever would have a similar attitude but usually not as extreme as in scn. Anything for an ego-boost. (joke)
The idea of earlier similar is in other practices and is useful to some people. Great win you had and I hope your wife still loves the “different” you. (joke!)
IYawn, what were these “…penalties imposed on a supervisor if a student is even one day late on checksheet time is “suppressive”? I am not being facetious or devious or doubting you, just curious – I never heard of such a thing in my time on staff so it can only be something introduced by Miscavige in later years (to make Academies or instructing in them even more dangerous than they became). There was never such an LRH Policy on this. Can you recall the issue(s) that set this up?
You need to checkout the original Pro Sup course. It’s all there. Penalties imposed were something like, the loss of all your stats (the Scientology version of a death sentence) unless you completed every student within checksheet time. It is calculated on a decreasing daily scale the student , ie ANY STUDENT is defaulting on checksheet time & will eventually = NO STUDEUT POINTS for the whole academy (within a week or so – it’s absurd)! It’s wild but it’s true. An original Hubbard Academy was a trip in fantasy land all of its own. I truly can’t be bothered to dig up the Hubbard reference upon request but Mr Google has all you need to know.
(I sort of hear an ABBA track playing in the background).
Ok, Yawn, but I think I know all of the references before the mid-80s and don’t recall it. (Which is not say that I disbelieve you.) And if there was such an issue, was it an SO ED or BTB or BPL or something or one of those Flag issues of blue on gray (which I would have ignored anyway)? I’ve read all of the Hubbard Sup references and I don’t recall that at all, certainly in my org or in any other org that I knew no one mentioned this. But as I also cannot believe that other orgs didn’t have students that weren’t completing in checksheet time, then continental stats of Student Points would have been zero continental or even worldwide so perhaps this was something that may have been enforced in 1 or 2 or very few Orgs and continents, based on this obscure reference. I still reckon it must have come as a policy or whatever from after the mid-80s and/or some martinet Flag Bureaux missionaire (and/or Miscavige) started enforcing it in certain areas where he/she was operating. Anyway, thanks for replying.
I dont think Hubbard EVER wrote a Student Points issue. They were ALWAYS compiled by others.
There was definitely a system of all St Pts being penalized for students over checksheet time in many of the dozens of Student Points systems over the years.
Truth is, like virtually all stats in scientology, they were falsified.
I Yawnalot: Yep.
“Apparently, a large percentage of Scientologists are afflicted with learning disabilities.”
In my far too many years in the cult I was constantly forced to undergo all kinds of “repair” actions and remedial courses always for the stated purpose of “undercutting” the gradient or fixing learning disabilities that didn’t actually exist. This went on for so long that I was made to believe I was a completely degraded idiot who would never succeed at anything. This of course was the intention as it sold more courses and auditing actions. However, I was very successful in life and it never dawned on me that all this was incorrect. The “tech” validity and value was unquestionable. It was the ONLY hope Mankind had. So when it didn’t work the only reason had to be me. What a total crock of shit. Finally, after far too long, the truth was revealed and I walked away knowing what it is like to be in a despicable, money grubbing cult that really did not do anything of value. Another lesson from life, but this one came at too high a cost.
Philip,
I always had the learning disability when it came to bulls**t.
Now that’s a Super Power! Congrats!
Spot on. To this day I still feel a knife stabbing through my abdomen when I think about the reg cycles and b.s. tech estimates I got from Flag Registrars. Its no joke that Scientology stole every red cent I had, and those financial repercussions have ruined my life. I did Clear to New OT V at Flag along with auditor training. I could probably have bought a small town with the funds instead. ‘Financially raped’ would be the perfect descriptor.
One of many good things which happened after you run away from scn is this magnificent realization “damn I have I few coins to spend now!”
Diane I’m devastated for you :0(. Have you been able to recover financially?
If we would have only known… we would have been a lot better off combining our resources along with other Flag detainees, leased some island someplace nice, build a resort and have Old Surfer Dude set up shop for his Catalina Eddy band to call home. Then sit back and smile while we sip our pina colardas enjoying our investment. So much money and time wasted… for what – so Miscavige can scuba dive the Bahamas and have sing-a-longs with his BFF on the Breakwinds?
Diane, I’m so very sorry for what happened to you. Unfortunately, you weren’t alone. May the best day of your past…… be the worst day of your future.
Peace & Blessings
That’s an Irish blessing, OSD. I’m reporting your to the Scottish authorities.
If you do they’ll take away my kilt!
Alright then, I won’t rat you out. There will be a price for my silence, however. More later.
Diane, my heart goes out to you – and to all the good people who post here who have been royally fucked over and ruined by this horrible cult (sorry for the vulgar, but totally appropriate words). I follow this blog regularly. I enjoy it when I read about the cherch’s many failings. But the horror stories you all share here are anything but enjoyable. Thank God you’re all out of it and now have free lives.
Diane, I’m terribly sorry that the cult ruined you financially. I hope, though, that you still have your family intact, and are otherwise still connected to your nearest and dearest.
Would you please add this link to my post.
http://www.angrygaypope.com/big_blue_complex/index.htm
The amount of money somebody has to fork over is just totally mind-boggling what do they do with people who don’t have any cash? I for one would not make a good candidate because I don’t have college funds for the children, ability to get a second mortgage, or any credit, can’t even put gas in my car sort of budget. I guess they just tell those people that they can’t help them and usher them out the door? How can somebody be able to be gone from their job for 6+ weeks at a time not to mention pay their bills while they are shoveling money to the church? How many families were totally decimated because all of the money went to the church and they had nothing to live on? How many homes got repossessed? How many families broke up? The trail of devastation behind this so-called Church must be enormous!!!
It is Gail, it is enormous personal devastation.
Gail, I knew one member who was completely devastated financially at the end. All accumulated pension funds, savings, 2 mortgages as well as credit card debts all came to bear after the job was lost and a foreclosure occurred. After all that the member had to move into her car. There was nothing owed on it so it survived the financial catastrophe. So literally penniless, jobless, homeless and the cult didn’t do anything to help. I mean why would they. There was nothing left to line their pockets with. Disgusting.
That’s typical Scientology. Financially rape them of every dime, then send them on their way when their broke. But…karma’s a bitch. What goes around comes around.
Seen Timberlake’s “What Comes Around, Goes Around” ?
Glenn,
Around 1974 a friend (OT4 and class 6) got into a spat with the AO MAA and paid for an intensive. He came out blown out and never went back. His cognition?
“I” am the only one responsible for MY condition and stats. The AO was distracting me at every turn. The AO is the cause of almost all of my grief. F*** them!
Jim, damn good on you!!! I can still recall my Power Plus auditing. The 3rd and final command was, “Tell me a source.” My first response was “LRH”. No blowdown. And then it struck me… “I AM!!!” Dial wide F/N which didn’t go away for over THREE MONTHS! Naturally, they essentially deleted Power Processing a short while later. Too many others were having the same conclusion. LOL
Hi Peter,
Wasn’t me that got that cognition during review, but a pal.
I got the same cognition on power in 1968, happily I then routed onto R6EW and blew out again, and then to the CC for a 3rd set of realizations. I too was stumbling around for weeks laughing at this silly game we all are playing.
Staff often asked me why so many Clears from that era walked out and didn’t come back for more. My reply was that— once you get a free being they are just that—- free. Once free they are starting out with a clean slate. Which damn well did not include slavery, of any form.
Superb comment, jim, especially, “My reply was that – once you get a free bieng they are just that —free.” Indeed! Seems like “free beings” are bad news for the cult! Strange that this should be the case, because “free beings” are the cult’s goddamned PRODUCT, LoL!
Gail, those who can’t pay for the bridge are routinely strong armed to join staff. And you are so right about the financial devastation, it’s almost unimaginable to those never involved with this EVIL cult.. I’d love to see an episode on the Aftermath that deals explicitly with the black magic, hard sell, sometime gang banging ‘regging’ tactics that Scientology so ruthlessly practices on its paying (public) members. Even the mafia would blush and likely learn a few new tricks from these rape and pillage, take no prisoners reg sessions. Above every Scientology org entrance should be a sign in big, gaudy gold letters which states: “YOUR MONEY OR YOUR LIFE. (or both ;))”
Ganesh, like you, I’d love an episode on fatso’s time in the occult. He was never there to break up a black magic ring. He was there to revel in it.
Ain’t that the truth, old Surfer Dude. Here’s some fun reading on the subject: “Parsons used his defense contract money to convert an old mansion into a group house whose residents included other Pagans, artists, scientists, and writers. One of his boarders was a charismatic science fiction author named L. Ron Hubbard, who became Parsons’ greatest frenemy, participating in rituals of sex magic with the rocket scientist, sleeping with his girlfriend, and finally absconding with all his money. Here is the true story of how Scientology and JPL were both conceived by men under the sorcerer Crowley’s mystical influence.” -https://io9.gizmodo.com/5978746/the-strangely-true-connection-between-scientology-the-jet-propulsion-lab-and-pagan-sorcery
I lived just a couple of miles away from that mansion on Orange Grove Bl.
Thanks to Jason Barclay an ex-scientologist I now have a glossary of the CoS terms. When reading an article about scientology it’s hard to understand since I’ve never been a scientologist. His site also has a great article about how scientology’s Big Blue Complex is an unsafe mess. He has a scientology vid and shows how they are now using video kiosks since there are not enough people to man the places ( maybe you and Leah’s show will help push the mess over the cliff).
Would LRH condone the living conditions of the Sea Org. members at Big Blue?
And they don’t see it. How sad I am for “still on”
First paragraph,last sentence. …. I was thinking “new Inmates”
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With one named Bubba? Who’s 300 lbs?
Well written and excellent observations. If one imagines your essay as a knowledge report, I shudder to think of the numbers of staff who would be assigned lower conditions and thus further grind forward progress to an even slower pace.
I was struck by this phenomenon even back in the early 70’s as I was prepped for my journey to the CMO Apollo. The kids in the EPF at the Manor, serving under Bitty Blythe (a teenager at the time) had been there for a while. I set about doing my courses and completing my auditing as quickly and efficiently as possible. No issues on course, I was always a bright student. Had completed a comm course at the original CC the year earlier so I knew the drill…so to speak.
When it came to auditing; I was an ARC Straightwire release at the age of 8 so I knew what a floating needle felt like (yes…felt) and knew how to avoid talking with a stranger (my auditor) about uncomfortable subjects. Happy place thoughts = floating needle. I quickly finished Level 0.
Many years later after getting offloaded from Flag, living my life as a kid and becoming a young adult, I ended up attesting to Natural Clear at the Valley Org. I don’t really even remember who determined I fit that classification but it indicated and I attested.
Your essay made me wonder about that period in the 80’s when Natural Clears were being identified. What was that all about?
Thank you again for your clear-eyed recounting of the truth of Scientology.
#1 Son, if I can recall back around ’82 LRH via a bunch of other bastards had wipped out the missions and thus their public. Think about it for a second… What else would make sure you are on the ‘good’ list.
Wasn’t this the time the cult was raising rates 5% a month? I was on my way out in ’82. I never had to deal with the never ending fundraising.
I am just sitting here shaking my head wondering why anyone would have fallen for the b.s. that LRH spewed. He was a demented man, I understand there are people looking for a better way of life but NONE of his policies make sense to me. I’m just disgusted that people are getting their money and families taken away from them all in the name of Scientology which is nothing but a hoax, a scam and a cult in epic proportion.
These people are absolutely drunk on the Kool-Aid and can’t see the forest through the trees.