The always entertaining Flag OT Committee just sent out their latest minutes.
Lots of interesting information in here, I have highlighted some of the lowlights.
But the big news here is that the ONLY ideal org ever to have its stats up week after week… The ONLY one EVER. Isn’t that amazing? they seem to think this is great news! All those other ideal orgs are not expanding. Just like we have been saying.
Poor old Columbus couldn’t even get a single person to the Maiden Voyage to represent them.
And now they’re striving for 1000 onto Solo NOTs. Forget about 10,000.
Don’t forget to pick up your “chocolate gift” as you contemplate the idea that each org is on track to finish as fast as they can!
The scientology secret police (OSA) that read this blog and all these comments have to have a severe case of cognitive dissonance to be able to resist blowing from the organization.
I myself am on the inside and proximate to COB, and I’m about to blow this BS popsicle stand myself. You’ll never know who I am until it’s too late. No amount of sec checking or time on the cans will ever work to figure out who I am. But have fun trying.
You’re going to love all the files I’m publishing to WikiLeaks on behalf of the public interest. I’m also publishing these files at other venues — all in PDF format — so that anyone can quickly and easily download them. (And then re-upload them to the Internet as desired.) In other words, once they’re on the Net no one will ever be able to get rid of them. Enjoy DM.
Understood on everything, Druin.
I promise not to try in any way, shape of form to figure out who you are.
What you’ve shared is utterly fascinating and I am breathless with anticipation.
Sincerely,
Aqua.
Damn Druin, You really made my day. When You have blown that pop stand and if you need some help as in a job, etc. let Mike know and he can put you in touch.
Yo OSA,
Better reread this post assholes. If you have one cognitive brain cell left you will want to follow Druin Rings example.
Yo Dave,
I keep trying to enlighten You to just how nasty things are going to get. Not that there is jack shit You can do about it. Tomorrow is the big STAT Day and no doubt there is much more toilet dwelling in store!
ooo ooo ooo another fun leak!. I am sure someone can only stay on the inside leaking and faking f/ns for so long before it just becomes too tedious. See you on the outside!
hey dude can you also share a copy of the DM magazine? Not that he isn’t already a laughing stock, but we’d all love to check out another piece of Scientology comedy.
There are so many things in this that just make me glad glad glad that I am no longer subject to any of this.
“They can join us in learning what our new project orders are from Int. Management”.
…
I’d like to attest to my new glorious state:
“Freedom from Int Management Orders.”
………
Back in the 70’s, you couldn’t join the OTC unless you were at least Clear. It used to be something to aspire to.
I so remember being offered a chance to join the “I Want To Go Clear Club”. I pledged and signed up and carried that card in my wallet for years. I envisioned the day when I could join the OTC, I would be then a part of the sanest group of powerful beings on the planet.
The dream of the power, sanity, and relief of Clear and OT were magical goals.
………
I have no senior
I have no juniors
I have no orders
I’ve no compliance reports to write
I don’t have a battleplan
I’m not applying a condition
No one will tell me to write my O/Ws for my danger condition.
I don’t have to stay late
I am no longer debased.
No more ritualized humiliation.
🙂
……
These OTC meeting minutes are just so cheering. They remind us of what we don’t have to put up with and all that we’ve gained.
So, we are meant to believe that Orlando is being stormed by Scientologists and the org is bursting at the seams? After they could barely fill a phone booth for the ribbon jerking, apart from drones shipped in from Tampa/CW? LOL
I haven’t been in CW for some time but the org where I now live appears to be stone dead. They could offer about 5,000 square feet to every soul that passes through there in a day.
They have also started running ads on a news radio station during the morning traffic reports… Maybe not a bad idea. If you ever want to get away from the hustle and bustle, all the congestion in a major city’s downtown, the CoS building is the place to do it.
I am a never-in and am having trouble seeing why anyone would join this group now. I can understand people who joined when something of potential value was being offered but it seems like the only thing offered now is “fund-raising” opportunities. That is not a religion. What if any value is being offered to the public?
ZERO VALUE TO STAFF OR PUBLIC !
Negative value.
Ha ha! Yeah! Newcomer is being too generous. It would have to come UP to having zero value.
You are correct. My estimate was way too high!
Scientology Phone Handling 101.
Staff and/or OTC Committee member leaves the following voicemail: I have a quick question. Give me a call.
Correct responses:
1. Ignore
2. Call back and hang up if they answer
3. Leave the following voicemail: Quick answer. No.
🙂
“I have a quick question”.
“Great! I have a quick answer!”
So, wait. Let me make sure I read this right: They are charging people 50 cents for one sheet of Flag OTC letterhead stationery and one envelope, BUT if you use it for OTC correspondence—they still won’t just give it to you. No, you have to fill out a form to get reimbursed for it? This is an organization that is sitting on squllions of dollars of ill-gotten gains, but it can’t even provide a free sheet of paper to a member?
Makes me wonder if the poor gal who provided “beautiful party decorations” had to pay for ‘em herself.
And I have to wonder what an “official Flag OTC blue polo shirt” would set a person back…$1500 maybe? More?
But…I am truly afraid for the poor soul with “deep depression” who got “body routed” (what a repellent term) off the street and is now on staff. Not to mention the kickboxers who are now unknowingly within kicking distance of the cult.
I liked the part about “if you have difficulty bringing in new marks, give Shelly their phone number so she can sec check them over the phone!”
How to expand Scientology in four easy steps:
1. Make it free
2. Truly care for people and give great service
3. Accept donations as a natural consequence of #2
4. Banish Dave
Ummmm…..I choose number 4.
Congratulations, you get a Three Musketeers Bar!
It is a sham cult; not worth any money or lives
MJM … #4 is out sequence. It should be moved to #! —- IMHO!
Good point.
I believe #1 & #3 are directly contradicting Source.
#2 is impossible if LRH policy is truly followed.
#4. It would be easier to get Hitler out of office.
How about #5? Forget $camology exists, and find one of any of the multitude of other religions and/or philosophies that already do #1-#3.
LMAO! MJM. People won’t eat turds even if given free.
I don’t know, they’re eating shit now.
Only the few remaining brainwashed ones MJM. They don’t attract NEW members. Hence, giving the shit away for free won’t work.
They might attract those who’ll try anything for free.
Come early to get a good seat….???. M’kay…
Right. Those seats near the doors fill up fast.
Race ya…ready..set..go..?
“It is as though the world were being held together by a handful of desperate men who, by working themselves to death, may keep the rest of the world going.” -LRH
I do see desperate part, but these OTC meeting minutes are more like a woman’s social than any serious activity. I don’t think a word has been coined for group insularity, but I do see the definition of it defined here.
GEP,
I don’t think a word has been coined for ‘group insularity, ‘
I’ll give it a try: Delusional Double Downing
Multiple Mental Masterbation
Clustered Confusion Cultification
Self-stroking Non-Identities
Significance Multiplier
We do Voodoo Pistulaes
Talking up our group a**es
CoS has claimed that the presence of OT’s in an area will have a positive effect, including on the crime rate.
So why do they have 579 OT VII & VIII’s living in Clearwater and the crime rate is HIGHER than the national average and HIGHER than each of the cities adjacent to Clearwater?
Look at any site with the crime stats of a crime map and they’ll confirm this. Here’s a link to one. Look at the map which clearly shows Clearwater has among the highest crime rate in all of Pinellas County!
http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Clearwater-Florida.html
OMG,If they would get 10.000 people onto Solo NOTS instead of the 25 marks which they will probably end up with Clearwater will turn into a Detroit by the bay
That’s because practicing scn on anyone is a crime, too. So is regging. Lies and false stats also come under that same banner.
579 public and another 2K criminal staff who remain ‘at large’ and free to fleece the unsuspecting folks who bite down hard on the fact that a cherch would never do that.
Paul Miller and the others rapists (sorry, I mean regges) lead the way. Sonya makes sure the cult is an equal opportunity employer. What a piece of work. What could go wrong when you spend a lifetime of lying, cheating and stealing.
Yo Dave,
What could go wrong when You will create any lie, anytime and coerce kids and young people to be willing to abandon their families because You tell them their parents are Ess Pees. What the fuck is an Ess Pee really Dave? Ya think it is really someone ‘stuck in an incident’ from a long time ago. Paleeeeze!!!!!!!!!!!! A real Ess Pee is someone who suppresses people from expressing themselves in their current life ……….. kinda like what You do Dave.
BTW, when are ya gonna find yer leaker of those all important Oh Tea Committee meeting minutes. Dono, dono, dono, dono what to do ………….do ya Dave? Kiss it good buddy.
That OTC CHAIRman “just attested to CLEAR”!? That’s at best aspirational, more likely delusional.
I would have guessed that those on the OTC were actually OT’s. How dumb of me to think that!
It’s easier to have up stats when you start at zero or less, isn’t it, Orlando?
My goodness! Who wrote these minutes? You can tell that Scientologists lack any formal education; the grammar and spelling errors in this memo are numerous.
Yo Dave,
I have only one question for You and Yourbots today good buddy.
Who or what is leaking the Flog OTC minutes to the fringes?
You do realize Dave that despite all of the good news and fastest growing blah de blah in the long and sordid history of the greatest cult scam on the planet that You have still failed to find and eradicate the ‘Under The Radar’ individual that is leaking yer minutes.
Now why don’t You send out one of yer H-Cee Oh summons thingys Dave and fire up some juicy sec check questions to ferret out this loser Ess Pee radar ducker?
I really can’t believe that You have let it go on this long! What are You not doing that You should be doing Dave? Why not go with an amnesty Dave? Don’t worry, there would not be a single one of us out here on the fringes that would ‘avail ourselves’ of any ‘fig leat’ tendered.
Okay, I admit it, I’m the leak. So sue me!
According to these minutes, they have 579 OT VIIs and VIIIs living in the “flag zone”. My guess is they are including Mary Kahn,and others long gone just to ensure their stats are fully inflated, but we will give them the benefit of the doubt, which is undeserved. They carefully tiptoe around whether the OT VII and OT VIIIs are actually in scientology by saying “305 currently auditing on the level”.
Ok giving them that, they say one in 5 of the people in this delineated area are OT VII and VIII. That means that by their own admission, if every single OT VII and OT VIII in the area they define is still in scientology (here’s a hint, they are not), they have just told us that there are currently only 2,895 scientologists in flag’s field, which includes, based on these minutes: Palm Harbor, Clearwater, St. Pete and part of Tampa.
My wife asked me to take out the garbage. I told her I was on track to finish as fast as I possibly can.
Hmmmm. I wonder if she will buy that. 🙂
🙂 ken
Is it telling that the chairman of Orlando’s OT committee, only just attested to “clear” – meaning that they’re only now approaching eligibility to even start the OT levels themselves?
Orlando was probably the smallest and weakest org to be made ideal, with lots of help from Tampa and Flag that is probably ongoing, so it’s not entirely surprising that they’ve been able to “boom” their dismal stats for a few weeks running – I’d give it a couple more weeks before they inevitably crash, as they always do in Scientology. Plus they admit that they don’t have enough auditors to deliver more services – probably another indication that they failed to achieve the staff-up they were supposed to have before opening the new “ideal” facility.
And I’m having trouble even imagining by what stretch Orlando was “the fastest done org in history.” They got their building purchase “approved” back in 2014, but may not have completed the purchase until as late as 2016, so maybe if they start counting when they finally took possession of the building, 2 years really is record time by Scientology standards.
It’s interesting to see Columbus identified as the org somehow most in need of help; presumably they’re fairly high up on the list of orgs slated to get their “ideal” facilities done, but failing badly at the necessary fundraising. I’d like to know what the update on St. Louis was, where they’ve apparently had to give up on renovating the historic building that they bought a decade ago, which they let deteriorate and are now reportedly going to try sell, and where they currently show just a renovation of their existing relatively small building.
I have also heard St Louis is thinking of selling the building the purchased for their Ideal Morgue…they bought the old German House for 1.6 million and it was reported in the local news that the started renos in 2010. I popped into the St Louis org several months ago and it looked like the had some minor work going on there, so maybe they’re going to reno their existing building? Only a handful of people on course, signed in, as well…beautiful building they are already in!
And poor Columbus…I recently moved from Cbus and they have a small store-front in the middle of down-town. Purchased the old Time-Warner building like 5-10 miles outside of the city proper…zero done on it. And from the promos I’ve seen of their meetings and get-togethers, they only have like 10-20 public and I always see the same guy in a wheelchair. I don’t think the Freewinds is wheelchair accessible, so no wonder nobody could show up!
Reminds me of the following lyrics: You came a long way from St. Louis, but baby, you’ve still got a long way to go.
It’s amazing to me to see them getting sloppier and sloppier with every passing week. Is Nobody ‘proofing’ any of this stuff anymore? (Purely Rhetorical)
ooooo chocolates! Yeah – that’s incentive! Because we can’t run across the street to the Quicki-Mart and get our own chocolate bar – for 67 cents! smh
OT Committees are nothing but a group of people playing musical chairs….
Nothing ever gets accomplished that is real value
It is part of the Scientology Shill…to dupe people into believing they are part of a humanitarian group
Whilst pick pocketing the members covertly
$cam!
$cio is an org that forced it’s members to be vegan before it was fashionable. Ha!
That’s so unfair, CG. Give these people a break!
Postulating Scientology’s expansion, calling people to get them to come to meetings so they, can al postulate together the expansion of Scientology, then noting down each person’s expansion postulate and the group’s expansion postulate for that week’es OTC Minutes, and THEN writing up all their wins and Success Stories from all this postulating, is VERY hard work. It is a tremendous responsibility, and they have born it, too long, alone.
Personally it appears to be a piss poor postulate.
But good alliteration.
Jeez…the poor saps in the OTC have to pay $60 annual dues for the privilege of being harangued endlessly to bring in public and contribute time and $$ to the unfinished Ideal Orgs, etc, etc. What a deal.
I don’t mind paying annual dues, but, you’ve got to bring the price down to 60 cents.
6 cents and I’m in, as long as they mail me the chocolate.
Done & done! Where shall I send them? Oh… I forgot to tell you but I ate one of the chocolates.
Probably deserves a Sec Check. Oh right, you’re no longer in. Whew, that was close!
I’m no longer in??? How bitchin’ is that?!
Chocolate? Did someone mention chocolate?
Smart. Always get the chocolate up front.
Yes, important to consume as much of this major food group as possible.
Not one thin dime from me.
OTC to OSD: Deal!
Bitchin’! Chocolate Heaven! Now that’s a god I could get behind
Ya want CHOCOLATE? Well, just come about an hour’s drive west of Philly and there’s a whole town dedicated to the stuff: Hershey, Pennsylvania. Just thinking of the place, I get hyperglycemia. There are some serious chocoholics in the SE Pennsylvania region.
I wish my wife & I could go back there.
RTC to OTC: No deal.
Reference: Free service, free fall.
I was thinking that $60/year was a pretty high price to pay to “get” to go beg other people go give you money and to make up excuses why you can’t possibly be at the next meeting.
I was thinking that with the big bucks they are always asking for, it is odd that only 80% of the OTC members (whatever the total is) are willing to pay a small $60 a year, $5 a month.
I wonder how many of the other 20% are under-the-radar.
According to the figures in the Deputy Public Officer’s paragraph, there are only ~5,000 Scientologists WORLDWIDE (who are still in the church) who have been to FSO for services.
That is a stunning bad figure. It was higher than that ~35 years ago.
I’ve often wondered if members are leaving in droves…under cover. They just gradually fade away. At the Pasadena Model Idle Morgue, it’s only older people who go in. And there’s very few of them.
Wyn, I hope you’re right! But, I’m pretty sure you are. And that gives me hope.
Good, OSD. We always like to give you dope…er, hope.
I’ll take both, please.
I thought it was Hope on a Rope Aqua
LOL!
Your observation of Pas Org tells me everything else I need to know OSD. Only the S.O. is keeping the corpse moving. There is no more real NSO energy in scientology. Which means it is dead.
Roman citizens were what made the Roman empire a thing. The Praetorian Guard alone did not a civilization make.
They’re just waiting for the final twitch.
Wynski, what is NSO energy. A military term?
Wait; I just realized that whatever it is it would not be a military term. Ok, now you can answer 🙂
Aqua, it means Non Sea Org. E.g. all those at Missions & Class V Orgs.
Old DM needs to find a swiss bank account to stash the $2.7B before it all implodes.
Not really. That money is protected by the tax exempt status granted by the IRS. Nobody can get at it.
Particular lawyers might disagree. Well… in part anyway. That money is a gravy train for a select few.
Where will it go if it comes crashing down?
Mary it will “go”where it already is. In protected accounts that cannot be touched by others.
From which Dan Sherman and Ecclesiastical Hairdresser & Aesthetician get click-payed for life.
Probably Aqua!
And nobody can find it either. It seems only a very select crew know where all the cash is buried.
Can someone recommend that Miscavige go spelunking in Thailand?
Thank you OT minutes leaker. You provide a very good look at what must be the happiest clusterf&(k in all of Clamdom.
That’s good to know Mike, thanks.
My now ex-friend was at Flag, he was ripped off 50 grands (HUGE money in Russia) and never returned.
I see why he’s your ex friend.
That’s an interesting extrapolation, probably in the ballpark, though I wouldn’t be absolutely certain about the numbers presented here.
I found it interesting to see that Clearwater is designated as the 3rd largest zone – perhaps after LA and Italy? – and they seemed to think that it ought to have about 1/5 of the total activity. They seem to think that they will end up with a high percentage of OT VIIs and VIIIs, though I also hear stories of people ending up leaving Clearwater to get away from regging and other pressures.
I wouldn’t be surprised that many of the OT VIIs buy some place close to Flog, since they’d be spending that much and more to stay at a FSO property while they slog through the wall of Sec Checks guarding OT VIII. OMG, every SIX months? Those going through that won’t have TIME to get into trouble. AND, if they weren’t a psych plant last time you asked, what are the odds that they’d switch sides and be one NOW? Beggers the imagination. Except it’s a money play: Intentionally O/R the sec check, and then charge them to “repair” the damage, botch that for failing to note valid F/Ns(since he established the 4-swing F/N hidden line/verbal tech.) I can just imagine how dirty those PCs’ needles must be after a couple of minutes in session, TA climbing through the roof. No WONDER Denver’s field is so disaffected. Flog’s is as bad, the evidence shows. Of course, Orlando as the closest idle morgue, reaps the stats benefit of servicing Flog’s cast-off public.
37 years ago, Flog’s CF was 26,000 strong.
Flog’s CF also consists of people who haven’t done services there.
Isn’t there an order to things? I thought you had to become Clear before you started on your OT levels. Well here we have a woman who is the OTC Chairperson, Monica Woodley who just attested Clear. Am I wrong or shouldn’t you attest Clear before you have anything to do with OT anything.
You don’t have to be OT to be on the OT Committee, but you do have to be on the OT Committee to be doing your OT Levels. Counterintuitive but true. Most people on the OT committee are probably not anywhere near OT (or maybe only 4 out of 5) 😉
You just have to be committed to the committee or risk a committee of evidence.
She may have had her Clear/OT status revoked and had to re-do her bridge. A few years ago many OTs and Clears were told they had not made the grade. Someone who was not yet Clear got to read the OT materials. How they did not get pneumonia and die is a wonder.
I guess the OTC accepts preOT’s.
MIS, you don’t have to be OT to be on an OT Committee Member. I know, I know! Then why do they call it the OT Committee? Good question. I’ll get back to you about that 🙂
1,000 people on to Solo NOTs? From Columbus? What a departure from reality that is. If they manage to get 10, that would be a huge accomplishment.
Part way through reading your book for the second time Chris. It’s absolutely brilliant. Really shows what a money grabbing pack of desperate vultures the reges in $camology really are.
Thank you very much for writing it and informing people about your “as it was” experiences within the cult.
Thanks, exbrit, for your praise and astute remarks.
Once again, they have to make up false numbers. At the Pasadena Model Idle Morgue, one kid told me there were 200 people on course UP STAIRS. When I asked to see them, he, of course, said no.
Scientology IS fantasy.
I think he was referring to the dolls used for drilling.
Dolls drill? I’d love to see that!
Chris,
The current psychological term for someone who has departed from reality…… Psychotic episode.
“Each org is on track to finish as soon as they possibly can.”
That’s the “goal”? That’s the “target date”? To achieve something “as soon as they possibly can”? I suppose you can consistently say you’re “on track” for a goal that vague. That allows them to perpetually report things as being “on track”, and unfortunately, most of them probably believe that are excited to hear about this, uhm….”progress”.
It’s hardly a SMART goal is it: Specific, Measurable, Achievable, Realistic and Time based.
Whenever is a time.
Whenever is a valid time.
Yeah that is really amazing isn’t? It is a great example of Scientology turd polishing.
I hear that ‘turd polishing’ is one of the new sports they have.
Shit yeah!
That’s the spirit!
OSD
The turd probably likes it.
(Old American joke was to never wrestle with a greased pig. You end up a mess and the pig likes it.)
I’ve dated….Oh, never mind.
Oh the irony here. The OTC is proud of the fact that every org is “doing it as fast as they possibly can.” This is against LRH green on white policy to never accept progress reports; only accepts actual “Dones” on targets and orders. I’m not surprised. They stopped following LRH references and advices years ago.
“They stopped following LRH references and advices years ago.”
As far as I can ascertain Hubbard never ONCE took his own advice, especially following his own references. That’s the sneaker in Scientology, the policy in particular was written as a fool’s errand. It has the semblance of workability, lays out a cause that states it benefits everyone etc etc. But take a close at it & to quote Hubbard himself, “look, don’t listen,” and since 1950 it’s been a developing scam that staggered even Hubbard himself with how much money it generated.
The scene was set as the money flows materialized, getting more money was the only “policy” Hubbard cared about following. His bogus ‘scientific research’ was part of the formula and he kept up the masquerade as he had no other choice (probably he was amazed that people kept paying for something he kept changing more or less regularly, he needed to, as results weren’t forthcoming) but that magic sound was always there – ka ching!! The tech is a remarkable piece of blathering but where are the actual research papers, notes and walking, breathing examples of his genius… Micheal Chan, Gavin Potter? Scientology has broken the hearts of many, many extremely intelligent and well intentioned individuals.
imo, we’ve been duped on a grand scale, for it the tech worked as stated, we’d all be happy campers right now and planet earth would have a technology of which we could be proud – puke!
!00% correct I Yawn
“We must start with scientific fundamentals, and that means with the data of experiments and not with assumed axioms predicated only upon the misleading nature of that which only superficially seems to be obvious. It is the consensus of great scientists that science is the attempt to set in order the facts of experience.”
Buckminster Fuller
Mmmm… I don’t think Her Fuller likes gypsies.
He probably did too.
“Chocolate thank-you gifts”, eh? So that’ll be one Milk Dud apiece, then.
More like a Snickers bar to match the tone level.
And here I thought ‘death’ was a tone level.
Well, it seems to be the tone level of the Ideal morgues.
MilkDuds. The perfect cult chocolate. Just leave off the prefix.
This is about as inspiring as watching paint dry after having your clear status revoked for the third time and all your life savings ripped off by the IAS.
MJM, I haven’t been following this blog all that long, but has anyone ever suggested getting together with all the others who have been so ripped off by this fake religion and filing a class action suit against them? Even if you had to give an attorney a chunk of what you get back it would be sweet to see them have to even try to defend the lies and deceptions that were all geared toward nothing more than getting as much money as possible off as many people as possible. I see ads on TV all the time about law firms not charging any money unless you win the suit. Even if it was tied up for years you all wouldn’t be any worse off and it would give DM something to do other than beating up people.
Hey Peggy, that scenario never happened to me, but I can certainly imagine it occurring to someone else.
Happy it didn’t happen to you MJM, but it seems to have happened to a lot of the good people here. I don’t know the legal ins and outs, but it just seems like they were defrauded, promised all these great benefits, and someone decided that they then had to go back and repeat, at, of course, a large cost, to redo what they had already done and already paid for. I just can’t imagine any jury not seeing this for exactly what it is, a money making scam that laid the groundwork for good people who believed they were doing something that would help all mankind. By the time they were to beaten down, physically or mentally or both, and wanted to break away, they were financially destitute. There is strength in numbers and it would be great to see them hit this cult where it hurts. Just because they call it a church doesn’t mean that’s what it is. It’s a scam hiding behind a name.
You’re so right Peggy. Scientology’s days are truly numbered, no matter how many billions Miscavige has stashed away. You can’t keep going on abusing people and expect a positive outcome, much less expansion.
From you words to, well, someone who can do something’s ears MJM. I mean,
who wouldn’t love the see DM handcuffed to his giblets, made to watch all the files and films and, of course, a few billion dollars being trucked off?
Peggy,
Problem with bringing a class action lawsuit is the cult never makes a promise of results. Never! I personally have tried to get such but was always told “no promises can be made”.
Plus, as I look back over all the contracts such as the Religious Services Enrollment Application, Agreement and General Release I had to sign before being accepted onto any service I seriously doubt any member of a class would be able to successfully contest a claim in court. It seems each and every right to sue is completely relinquished in those contracts.
I’m so sorry Glen that you went through all that. It may be worth a try, but it really would take an attorney willing to dig into the psychological, brainwashing aspects. That may be where several hundred people can testify as to what they were told. Testify how the results caused them physical & emotional pain and suffering and the relentless coaching to keep on trying. How can DM claim clean hands and also claim to be the top of the heap who runs this gyp joint and not know what people were told. The end result was financial ruin for members and great financial gain for the cult/business – you had to pay for these services.
[gyp joint]
NOUN
informal – a business establishment, especially a store, that has a reputation for cheating customers by charging exorbitant prices for inferior goods or services.
Semantics? They may have called it a donation, and a donation for exactly what? What was that donation supposed to give the donor?
Whoa! MJM, never knew that happened to you. Scientology is just so fucked up.
Glad you’re out!
It certainly is Old Surfer Dude.
Scientology is one big con. There’s nothing redeeming about it. It ruins people for fun. It’s a cult of the first degree…and an evil one at that.
So right Old Surfer Dude. I do want to apologize to the ex members of this cult for butting in more than I should. I really do care and just find the residual effects of what you went through just a travesty. You all deserve justice. I really hope that justice comes for all of you very soon. I know no one knows more about this beast’s soft underbelly than Mike Rinder and know that he plans his work and works his plan.
Apologize? No way! For what? Its obvious you care, Peggy. You’ve never been in and you care! Say what you like, ask what you like, please 🙂
Thank you Aquamarine, I do care, and on some levels really do get what it’s like and do understand the trap that was set. A very clever trap I must say. Reading those posters the cult puts out, watching the big mandatory DM gatherings that were on Leah and Mike’s documentary series, reading the testimonials of those who did escape – those words in the speeches and posters just don’t mesh up with what’s really going on. Those bold face lies and claims do make promises that are just not true. I really hold out hope that in some way all of that can be used to negate anything that the smarmy attorneys had to knowingly were just another trap. The cult has to own its words.