Things are desperate aboard the Moneywinds it seems.
All those spectacular seminars by the world’s most voracious “FSM’s” do not appear to be doing the trick. Nor the “how to make money” seminars from CO FSSO and her crew who cannot generate enough income to buy the fuel to sail out of port.
So, they are trying to get people there with give-aways. It tells you everything you need to know about the state of the “Top of the Bridge” of scientology that they have to try and entice people to get others to arrive — with a SPECIAL AWARD for OT VIIIs that can be conned into going to the ship to the do the PURIF and OBJECTIVES.
How is it that with the spectacular and unprecedented, straight up and vertical, 63X, massive international expansion there isn’t anyone arriving at the TOP of the Bridge? Why is the ship not filled to the gunwales with people on OT VIII with a line waiting on the docks for space to free up? Why is it that every other org is booming, and this org, designed to accommodate the flow of OT VIIIs in 1988 has not needed to expand? In fact, they cannot fill a single course room or seminar.
Nobody seems to comment on this. It seems that people ONLY go to the Moneywinds for the Maiden Voyage celebration and they manage to get 250 people rounded up for that week to hobnob with the COB. I guess they must assume the place is like that the rest of the time. Sort of like believing the Indianapolis International Speedway has 250,000 people in it every day of the year.
This issue reeks of desperation.
If scientology has the answers to all life, and OT VIII is the ULTIMATE achievement in scientology and first TRUE OT Level, people should be falling all over themselves to get it. It is FAR more important than if someone had come up with a cure for cancer. Or even a new iPhone.
Somehow, the reality isn’t even in the same ballpark as the hype.
As soon as I first read what the swiss OT VIII girl declared after leaving scientology and started to speak, her husband having been abandoned because of heart illness, I knew OTVIII:
A/ could’nt have been written by LRH unless he was a bit more crazy than before
B/ OTVIII description was a form of L&N made from memories that OTVIIs could not rememlber correctly
C/ after reading some “wins” of people having attested or been described as having made OTVIII, were crazier than before, like by instance the girl who said she could make appear $1000 on the table “but it was’nt ethical to do it”…
So, no surprise if the Freefarts is bankrupt, like almost all the other parts of the culkt.
Roger, ça fait partie de la farce qui est l’Eglise de Scientologie. OT VIII est juste la vérité révélée en plein ce qui est arrivé il y a 75 millions d’années, rien de plus. Il est pas vraiment révélé à vous ou moi, il est révélé à la personne sur le parcours OT VIII. La personne doit aller tout le chemin vers le début de leur piste de temps de la Terre et de localiser leur cas qui ne sont plus là et puis vérifier si elle était d’un BT qui est parti ou peut-être autre chose? Il semble que beaucoup de plaisir que je suis sûr, mais quand vous lisez les nouvelles que l’un de ces personnes ont sauté 200 pieds au-dessus d’un pont routier après avoir révélé la vérité à lui-même, il ne laisse la question, ne LRH provoque ceci ou était-ce le membre de l’église? Ce serait la vérité révélée. 🙂
In English:
Roger, it’s part of the farce that is the Church of Scientology. OT VIII Is just the truth revealed in full about what happened 75 million years ago, nothing more. It is not really revealed to you or me, it is revealed to the person on the OT VIII course. The person must go all the way to the beginning of their Earth time track and locate their case that is no longer there and then verify if it was from a BT that is gone or perhaps something else? It sounds like a lot of fun I am sure, but when you read the news that one of these people jumped 200 feet off a highway bridge after revealing the truth to himself, it does leave the question, did LRH cause this or was it the church member? That would be truth revealed. 🙂
Suggest
So. There is nothing happening on the Bridge to Total Freedom and now there is nothing happening on the Bridge of the Moneywinds. That straight up and vertical line is getting more horizontal by the day.
While working in Division 3 at Sterling Management Systems (“SMS”) in 1989, the Ship hired me to be the In-Charge of the Div 3 Audits Project for the Majestic Cruise Lines (“MCL”) and the Flag Ship Service Org (“FSSO”). Over the next eight weeks, I worked hard (“This looks good,” wrote the International Finance Director when he reviewed our work) and played hard (each time we docked at Bonaire, I had but a few minutes before a quick lunch to take an even faster swim with the fishies).
Halfway through the project, I returned to Los Angeles to bring back two more scientologists who were very able at finance. I had been rooming with Carl, a guy who had arrived to do OTVIII. Carl worked professionally underwater on the bottom of ships, and taught me how to dive 30-feet with snorkeling gear. One night as I sat with Mary (one of the people who I had returned with from LA) as well as Carl during a course room roll call, Mary got very excited to hear Carl’s name when called. Why? Because Carl had gotten Mary into scientology some 17-years before, in Hawaii, and she hadn’t seen him since!
While on the Freewinds, I did The Route to Infinity and The Time Track of Theta Courses. For every hour worked, I earned $10.00; soon, I had enough to secure The Ability of Cause Course, which cost $3,800.00.
A few years later, scientology reneged on every hour of training awards that I ever earned by stating that if the awards weren’t used by a certain date, that the so-called “church” would no longer honor them. So I had to say goodbye to The Ability of Cause Course at the Ship; Solo I & II Courses at the Advanced Org of Los Angeles (“AOLA”). I had worked at the Office of Special Affairs U.S. for two years as a non-Sea Org member (where I handled audits for the old of Church of Scientology of California in preparation for the Larry Wollersheim case, something we were told to ignore, “it’s all lies. Just keep working”). That’s where I earned those courses at AOLA. Training awards at other orgs which I earned at OSA went bye-bye, too. I also lost $500.00 in Flag training awards given to me by SMS.
Having those awards taken away from me penalized an upstat. Later, in 2014, when I finally left scientology for good, it didn’t take much convincing to realize just how criminal scientology had become.
Boy, that’s really messed up.
Re: “Why is it that every other org is booming, and this org, designed to accommodate the flow of OT VIIIs in 1988 has not needed to expand?”
You’re right, Mike. Why have we never heard of the Moneywinds going Saint Hill size? Because to do that would necessitate raising the Titanic.
Or getting one of those big floating cities that pass for cruise ships these days.
Hey Dave, just remember there’s no such thing as bad PR. You’re doing great. Keep up the good work!
I am truly surprised that the ‘WHY’ hasnt been found, even a wog like me knows that the “WHY’ is the Freewinds is NOT IDEAL! They need money, and LOTS of it, to find and buy a new ship, espcially with HUGE influx of people that ot9/10 will cause. Then after finding a boat, they will need HUGE amounts of money for planning, restoration, refitting, re-planning, re-re-planning, and so on……
If I wanted to spend money on a cruise, I wouldn’t want to spend the whole time doing a course, nor dressing up to attend one of Miscavige’s events. The Freewinds is redundant now. They really need to mothball it. Miscavige should just have his 250 elites come to him at his “Int Base.” Wouldn’t that be special enough?
My feelings exactly, why pay a fortune to travel to some exotic location and get stuck on a dull course the whole time. I hated the fact that the whole time we were there we had precisely two mornings off to go and look around and even then you had to rush to get back on time. Everything there could be done on land and they could scrap that floating health hazard and save a fortune,
Good point. I never understood why OTI through OTVII could be delivered at AOLA but you had to go way out in the middle of the Caribbean to do OTVIII.
itall makes me wonder-how did i pay for this b.s. and how did i get through 20 years of it. Mitoff and other old timers should reveal to those not in anymore what did lrh say at the end . What were lrh’s intentions then? So many people are still getting screwed , including members of my family. And there should be BIG protests when biondi goes to flag. Sorry i won’t be in fl. then.
Chuck said:
“. . . where in The Path the guru leader tells number 2 guy it’s all bogus, and that’s relayed down, but the news isn’t relayed all the way to the followers, and the sort of Miscavige level bosses to the movement stop the full relay of the guru’s admission so the new bosses and the followers keep going, LOL.”
What I think:
There was a small group of Int Management executives who were privy to all the secrets that had to remain hidden (post-1986) for the COS to continue as it had for the decades prior.
DM, Pat Broeker, and possibly other insiders on the Int Exec team promulgated a decades-long coverup by lying about:
1.) LRH’s final years,
2.) his failing health that his tech could not, would not solve,
3.) his personal non-attainment of Operating Thetan,
4.) his attempted suicide in Nov of ’85,
5.) his failing mental health and descent into an old age madness,
6.) his outright abandonment of his wife — call it divorce if you want — and family,
7.) the missing upper OT levels
8.) much more . . .
Dave and Pat Broeker had a chance to come clean about LRH’s final mental and physical state (which matters!) in 1986 and clear the air. They chose not to.
I know by 1988 everybody at the top knew there were no upper OT levels after the raid at Newberry Ranch. And the thorough inspection of LRH’s folders must have verified all the rumors of mental and physical failings in his last years.
Mike, would you be willing to name names of the inner circle, the small cabal, that covered up and lied about all this for thirty years? Certainly you must have an idea of who the “insiders” were. Maybe it was just a conspiracy of two, Dave and Pat. And then there was one. Slim chance, LOL.
Is this why some of the former Int Base executives are being held in The Hole until they pass away? They are insiders and know too much?
A little birdie told me that Jesse Prince is ready to name names and reveal “who knew what and when” in his forthcoming book. Describe the inner circle and levels of the deceit and cover-up. He heard and saw a lot, as you might suspect having held a very high post.
I don’t believe things “just happen.” People, individuals, with volitional decisions made up the shore stories, hid the real facts, and crafted the lies we were told. Any names of perpetrators coming to mind that you could share?
Inquiring minds want to know the full story . . . .
I think this question would be a good topic for one of your upcoming posts. Let’s all clear the air in 2016 (thirty years late), LOL.
Thanks much,
Forever Lurker
The Freewinds was a dumb idea from the start. Boats are expensive. Crews? Docking fees? Fuel? Marine paint at $300 a gallon? The Freewinds was all about catering to rich whales and not remotely about expansion or enlightenment. And still it was a dumb idea.
JustLook! ALL of Scamology isn’t about expansion or enlightenment. So, what does it matter?
My BF recently got a flyer in the mail like the one Mike shows here. About 12 years ago my BF got involved with Scientology, but ended up telling them to f**k off when they tried to control his life. Anyways, despite the fact that he told them to get lost about 10 years ago, they haven’t gotten the hint and still call him and send him mailings to this day. One of the mailings included a promo about going on course on the Freewinds. I guess they figure, if there’s any chance at all that they can get money out of people, they’ll try to do so.
Have they been round to try and recover him yet? One of the things the current staff were told to do for the GAG 2 release was to go out and recover those who had strayed from the path. As far as I know a few fools fell for it, but most quite rightly told them where to go.
Nope, no one has ever actually come to recover him, though for a while he worried about that. They seem to have settled for ridiculous mailings and weekly phone calls.
They never stop phoning do they? I bought a phone which allows you to block specific numbers, all known org contact numbers have been added to the black list, despite this I still had someone on the phone the other day wanting to know if I was confirmed for the ias event.
The way to get off the Co$’s mailing lists is to go to the post office and buy a stack of postcards, 20 or more. Then when you receive some unsolicited mailing, cut the address label off, tape it to the back of the postcard and write “Please remove my address from Central Files”, then address the post card to the return address on the mailing.
There might be some phone calls or written letter asking why you want to be removed, the less said the better. Eventually the mailings will stop, though they might start up again after a while, then its the same drill. My reasons were always generic, the material was untargeted, I wasn’t public, I wasn’t qualified etc.
This might sound kind of crazy but I all of a sudden feel sad for these people. Hard to imagine given the tyranny this organization has wielded over so many people.
But endings are sad, and desperate endings much sadder. We’re all still human in the end, and it’s sad to watch people who probably in the beginning only wanted what was best for everybody, run for the exits like so many panicked rats.
When the ego comes down, it’s ugly.
+1! You’re a good soul, Alice.
I would think that along with re-doing your Purif and Objectives on the ship, a “New” “ot” VIII would need to do sets-ups such as the The Communications Course and Basic Study Manual.
They would also per CS instructions may need to do the Success Through Communication Course as it’s undercut to The Hubbard Apprentice Scientologist Course.
All offered at current reasonable prices of course.
Thank you for your comment.It is sad what happens when good intentions turn nasty and absolute control and power are the only games in town.Yes I feel sorry for still in Sea Org and staff who can see no other path in life for them.However I get really pissed off at the celeb whales who continue to dip dm into their coffers and do not realize that they are worshipping the almighty dollar and the crimes he and the cult have committed.❤️
Coming soon to a briefing near you. “We’re going to need a bigger boat” to deliver OT9 and 10.
Would that be an Ideal boat?
Yes indeed. This one isn’t for catching sharks. It’s to house them.
Perhaps this summary of 25 years of research, is getting read, by some those who once wrote checks, in spite of $1,740,000 RTC admitted spending by 1996 in litigation against this writer and phenomenal and largely successful efforts to marginalize the writer.
https://arnielerma.wordpress.com/2016/07/23/more-secrets-of-dianetics/
Mike, I wish we could do the interview, and finish that last conversation we had, back in 1995, on the courthouse stairway in Alexandria..moments before RTC lost it’s trade secret claims.
Without the truth all is delusion
Arnie Lerma
edit please: …by some of those who once write checks…
Arnie — I am posting this comment, but with a note. This is off topic and appears to simply be an effort to attract readers to your blog. I certainly don’t mind that people read your commentary. But I am not endorsing it (nor condemning it — I have not read it) by posting this comment. If you have ON TOPIC comments (and they don’t become on topic simply because they relate to scientology) then fire away. Otherwise, please refrain from posting off topic links here. Mike PS: WOuld happily resume that conversation if our paths cross.
Whoa. All the awards are meaningless since it is just more scientological junk. Free courses or $ applied to your courses? These cost Co$ nothing. What about a real prize like a trip to Disneyworld, or a dinner for two at a nice restaurant in Manhattan, or any of the prizes that real contests and auctions offer?
Hi Mike and y’all,I was so glad to see Tom’s footage tremendous! To me the whole set up at Gold looks like the desert with mansions for dm stuck on to look like he has class and taste.Sorry dm,all you have is money.As for The Freewinds she really is an old old boat and how OT7s would want to go for Purif and Objectives there just proved to me the actual state of those glittering Levels.Nothing there but more $ for dm.❤️❤️
Curious as to your thoughts on the drone footage over at the Bunker. I thought the grounds looked a little less than perfect.
How crazy do you think is going now that he knows a drone could catch him doing the Tom Cruise Risky Business dancing in my underwear scene? (In my imagination that is what COB does on the marble floors of Building 50…….cue ‘Old Time Rock and Roll’)
Makes me very sad. All that “stuff” and so few to benefit. One can really see what david miscavige is all about. There is no heart and soul left. It’s just stuff. Everywhere. Nice stuff.
Even if one walks into an org with a question. He can walk up to some nifty “stuff” and get an answer. Auditing is more about the e-meter (stuff) now and what’s going on with it, than it is about the soul sitting across from it.
Shows where david miscavige’s heart is at. It’s no where to be found.
Yep, Miscavige can just put all his stuff where his heart ought to be.
I love your comment Chee.You always make those images in my head from your post Dance❤️
What struck me was how empty the whole place was. There was no one out moving around, no evidence of life. Sort of like a resort in off season if you didn’t know how bleak it was to be there.
Damn you, Chee! How the Hell do you expect me to get that image out of my head?
SOB dancing in his underwear? More like, he has Cruise do it, then makes him lie down and SOB puts his foot on TC’s neck and pins him there.
Then he has TC get up and slide in again and get pinned down again. Over and over again until it’s time for jacuzzi.
My, my, now all of clamdom will be using their answering machines to screen calls from ‘their’ FSMs. That might work for a while, but what do they do when the FSM shows up at 3 am and pounds on the door? This ‘contest’ doesn’t reek of desperation, it totally immerses itself in it.
Desperation is the LEAST of their worries…..
Any FSM avaricious enough to get three selectees onto the Fleecewinds is never going to redeem their “free trip” and get all their commissions ripped from them as IAS donations.
That’s a lot to read. Let me sum it up: Rope in some suckers, and you’ll win the booby prize.
I won the booby prize once. But, someone stole it from me…
These guys need some more bright ideas:
How about a baseball cruise? Get some old timers like Willie Mays, Pete Rose, Sandy Koufax, etc to mill around with the guests, special re-broadcasts of famous games with the stars themselves offering commentary.
A presidential loser cruise? Get John Kerry, Michael Dukakis, John McCain, Mitt Romney, Al Gore to mill around with political junkies with a special Election Night Gala!!!! (free all you can drink booze as the electoral votes come in)
There are probably tons of ideas to get folks buying tickets.
Or, since this ship ‘o fools is based in tropical waters, why not a nudist cruise week, featuring Krustie Alley as tour leader (sorry, that was evil of me 😉
Cruise vacations are enticing to the public primarily because the ships actually cruise. If you never get out of port, then where’s the fun there?
Since the cherch does nothing but publish false report stats and the kind of blatantly exaggerated puffery that would make even the purveyors of penis enlargement systems shake their heads in disgust, keeping track of the cherch’s BIG Fail stats needs to be crowdsourced to others who are more reliable.
Number of days at sea, in the case of the FleeceWinds, would be a good indirect measure of the incoming revenue from this tentacle of the larger cherch’s octopus of greed and flim-flammery. Cruise ships are expensive to maintain even in port, but sailing them adds a huge amount more in fuel costs. It appears that the cherch is unwilling to incur that additional cost in fuel to actually cruise their cruise ship unless some critical threshold in the number of service purchasers in any given period warrants the outlay,
So, unless lil davey the savage is willing to eat the cost of creating, what amounts to an ocean-going Potemkin village, for the purpose of creating the illusion of prosperity, then number of days stuck in port equals level of FleeceWinds Fail 😉 Keeping track of that important ‘big fail’ stat should be easy enough to do.
Thetafooly yours in the service of KSW (Keep $cn Withering), HF
Forget the presidential losers – if they offered a cruise with James Carville and Mary Matalin, I’d go to that asbestos-laden garbage scow in one hot second! As long as La Paloma Blanca* stayed open late…
*the Failwinds bar
Normally you entice people with desired and desirable things, not things they’d go out of your way to avoid, like a scientology leadership course or reduced-price imprisonment on the FEEwinds.
The FEEwinds! I love it! You pay a fee to ride the winds!
The Scam Boat soon will be making another run!
The Scam Boat! Extracting money from everyone!
Set a course for bankruptcy, your mind on going OT!
Our scam won’t hurt anymore!
We’ll take your passport! You can’t go ashore!
Get SCAAAAAAMMMEED!
Welcome aboard, get scammed!
I agree, it just doesn’t sound fun to spend time on the freewinds. My sister-in-law keeps offering me to go on a free cruise with her, raving about the rooms, food, etc., but I have no desire to spend a few days in a tiny room on a ship I can’t get off. Every time I see something about the ship, it reminds me of the “I’m on a boat” video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iUjx4_X1qA
Wow. Just sad. For years the cherch has run ‘can’t have’ of auditing and training on the staff(first), and then on those on lines, and finally on the general public. The end result, their final product, is that no one seems interested in or wants what they have to offer. Now they can’t give it away.
“Now they can’t give it away.” That sums it up perfectly, Jim. Their brand is overly toxic. Maybe they’ll start giving their books away to get people in……..
Give their books away? GIVE THEIR BOOKS AWAY?????!!!!!!!!!!! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! Where is your mind, OSD? You know as well as I do that the cherch NEVER gives anything away! That would be out-exchange!
Off optic, but this showed up in my news feed his morning.
http://web.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/pam-bondi-to-speak-before-group-with-ties-to-scientology/2292470
I like how the newspaper’s story line isn’t about covering Ms. Bondi’s campaign schtick, human trafficking, but is about busting her for being associated with scientology! David Miscavige wants her to speak on campus because it makes it look to the parishioners like the church is relevant in the community. Then here comes the local paper calling her out for being involved with the church as it lists a few questionable dealings regarding it. It’s getting so a well-known criminal enterprise just can’t get a decent PR break any more.
Dave must be behind his “subscription fee” payments to the Times. Don’t worry Pam checks in the mail. Editorial correction to be forthcoming. And a little extra for the inconvenience for you Pam.
It’s the Tampa Bay Times – FCOL.
They have been “on” to Scientology since forever…including winning a 1980 Pulitzer Prize for their reporting on the church when the paper was still called the St. Petersburg Times:
https://www.tampabay.com/resources/images/marketing/amazing/scientology-series-orsini-stafford.pdf
Thank you so very much for this link, list of articles. I was in Miami Org then and was sent to infiltrate an enemy with the SOS protest group in 1980. I’ve read much, but will enjoy reading all of this, as it fills in a lot for me.
She is also connected to Trump with his supposed
(alleged) donation to her election funds.
No alleged about it, he was fined 2,500 USD for making the donation from his Trump Foundation, which is a no-no under Federal election law. Meanwhile, this DA even delayed the execution of a Death Row inmate for a fundraising event a while back. You can look this all up, if you are skeptical about these facts.
You know how sometimes you see a contest and read the prizes and wonder why anyone would bother to enter the contest? That’s the feeling this flyer evoked.
First prize is a week on the fleecewinds. Second prize is two weeks on the fleecewinds…
I shudder to think what 3rd prize is!
Visiting the Freewinds in 2008 was the single biggest scn disappointment for me (among the many). I literally thought (and told everyone as I left) that I was going on a Caribbean cruise. What I found was just another org. My experience wasn’t as bad as many posters here suggest. I didn’t think the regging was particularly bad, but I have also never had a problem brushing people aside in order to leave. I live in Africa, and we think nothing of shouldering someone (accidental like) out of the way when they’re blocking the exit! The disappointment was that the ship never left port. Never! We were supposed to sail over-night from Aruba to wherever, but the weather was apparently too bad. I never saw a cloud. I now imagine they didn’t have any fuel. The course on Internet marketing was a total waste of time. Believe it or not, they didn’t have decent internet access so we couldn’t actually practice anything. All theory and no mass! What happened after that trip was even worse – I popped into Flag for a ‘handling’. Suffice to say I blew.
You are lucky as I had that creepy Sharon following me into the restroom when I left the IAS fund raising session. Not to mention all the people from Peru and Brazil selling books for libraries and the registar guy.
Sharon Webber?
Dr. Mac, are you from South Africa?
I sure am!
Pretoria?
Dr Mac – that reminds me of another SCAM I was tangled in…Scientology’s Bridge to Total Freedom. The ship never left port either with that one! LOL Still sitting there with nothing happening!! $ciendollatry – the science of $elling a Ship that never sails.
So sad that they have to rely on OT FSM’s to get money for them. The building’s aren’t’ doing it. Sure shows how desperate and failing they are. If a product is really good it sells itself, imo.
Thanks Mike, I enjoy all your articles.
The important Lawrence Wright and Sarge Steven Pfauth filmed interview shown in the HBO “Going Clear….” movie that is so devastating, it’s still not been appreciated in the media (beyond the TV series “The Path” which in that TV series the final episodes do have a very significantly similar ending to Scientology’s ending, where in The Path the guru leader tells number 2 guy it’s all bogus, and that’s relayed down, but the news isn’t relayed all the way to the followers, and the sort of Miscavige level bosses to the movement stop the full relay of the guru’s admission so the new bosses and the followers keep going, LOL.
The final months of LRH’s life, and the parallels to The Path TV show’s ending, might not be a perfect fit, but they have some real parallels.
IN Scientology, at the end of LRH’s life, he was working on OT 7, Solo NOTs, but not succeeding on OT 7.
The tech didn’t save LRH, per Sarge. LRH admitted failure to Sarge, per “Going Clear…” info.
Today’s Scientologists ought to digest “Going Clear….” revelations of LRH’s final case failures.
Hubbard didn’t even obtain his own OT powers using his own Scientology highest level stuff.
So management of Scientology is going further than “The Path” TV series, and it’s reselling the bottom rungs of the Hubbard pseudo-therapy to the members.
Was that really Hubbard’s final orders.
I wish Ray Mitoff would tell all that Hubbard told Ray when Ray was called up to the Creston Ranch to do the “End of Life” processing on LRH.
I wish Sarge had been interviewed more at the end of his life, since if any recordings and all of LRH’s final years of talks to Sarge or to Annie Broeker or to Pat Broeker or to Gene Denk, if any of those “advices” or cassette tapes of what LRH said about things, that would be important history to obviously be made public.
“The Path” TV series ending is devastating, and so is Scientology’s leader/founder’s end of life devastating, as Sarge relays to Lawrence Wright in the must see “Going Clear….” segment where Wright interviews Sarge.
I wish there’d be some detailed discussion of that by those who know more of LRH’s final months of life.
And Ray Mitoff really for history, should tell in detail what LRH said to Ray.
Hi Chuck, with all your inquisitiveness and interest
in an actual historical (as factual as possible) write-
up of Scientology, did you ever start one yourself?
Chuck, you consistently hone right in on the crucial first-hand sources who could report on the actual circumstances and events during Elron’s last days. The non-coerced accounts of Ray Mithoff, Pat Broeker, Gene Denck and others who had ongoing, direct contact with Elron up to and including his demise will be of crucial importance to historians who depend upon such materials to sort fact from fiction and provide us with an objective and scholarly perspective on this important subject.
Getting those first-hand accounts recorded now, while the principals are still alive, is even more crucially important, due to the fact that the cherch kicked into overdrive in falsifying history and disseminating lies to the faithful right after his death. The actual coroner’s report goes a long way toward disproving the false report DM and Pat Broecker conspired to foist upon the faithful at the big $cn event where Elron’s demise was announced. But the actual accounts of that time, given by a number of different individuals, who could attest to his actual physical and mental condition prior to his death will be essential to the writing of accurate historical account.
In fact, it would be no exaggeration to say that the current cherch’s leadership claim to legitimate authority and power rests on the false claims that were made subsequent to Elron’s passing. So, obtaining the first-hand accounts of those who were actually there towards the end is of crucial importance – and not just to some future historian’s ability to document the actual story, but to the current direction of the cherch under its present leadership as well.
The fact that those who were there, but who are not still involved with the cherch, have not come forward to tell their stories may very well be due to having been both threatened and paid off. One can only hope that, if nothing else, they’ll make their death bed confessions and provide us with their first-hand accounts of Elron’s dying days and the machinations that followed it.
Yes, we would all like to know about the real story. Time to spill out the facts.
Chuck, I know you’re always beating the drum about Sarge and his reveals. Well, I couldn’t agree with you more. I’ve thought a thousand times about why don’t people fully grok what occurred here. I know a bunch of OTs who don’t want to confront the truth and attempt to sidestep what actually happened.
Story is simple: Man creates total ultimate SCIENCE of mind and spirit. Man attempts to take his own life at the end of the day as a solution to his own mental and physical maladies. Man refuses medical treatment so he can die. That’s a pretty concise plot line there. What’s not to get? Ergo, science must be questioned, discounted, or discarded. Didn’t work.
To me the Sarge narrative is “basic-basic” and once a person has peeled back all the layers of the onion, that moment in the life of LRH is what’s staring at them. I guess it takes a while confront the simplicity of story line.
Forever Lurker
Chuck, “The Path” has been picked up for Season 2. It will be showing on Hulu soon, it’s not over!
The moneywinds has been hurting for many years. There are no Oat Tea’s coming to the Fleecewinds….they can’t have any Wognitions on the Ship of Slaves. The membership is broke and broken.
But…but….but, OT 8 is the first real OT level! How can people pass that up? Don’t they want to be able to postulate a parking spot?
It’s interesting that, after 30 years of the most unprecedented growth, Scientology is still using the same ship to deliver its top services. If expansion were actually happening 64x, then there would be a need for 64 Freewinds, not 1 half-filled Freewinds.
Really! You saw the ship half filled??? Where’d did they find the people?
The awards are mostly additional time on the asbestos-laden Slavewinds, i.e., more opportunities for the vulture registrars to steal more of your money.
The Slavewinds? Oh, so that’s the real name for the Confidence and Leadership course!
Someone at Int Base has a bit over six hours to start running before Miscavige hears about the drone videos of Int at the Bunker this morning.
https://countingdownto.com/countdown/event-name-countdown-clock-ca14db93-03d1-408e-bcd6-2e9059e1e4cd
When will they learn? It seems they are following their sacrosanct leader’s path in finding wrong Whys.
Seminars on how to make money, increase your income, etc…is not the right Why, nor the right target. The little money parishioners may have will be taken away and, if any one manages to be prosperous after attending the seminar, he will end poor anyway after being pounded by the ‘FSMs’.
The correct target and Why will be to deliver seminars on how to spot real SPs at the top of scientology management so, maybe, just maybe, a few more will realize they are being led by one.
I did my own E VAL on making money and discovered basic truth
which is opposite of what goes on aboard the Freewinds.
Scientology is down to 10,000 active public on Earth so makes sense
the demand is gone,likewise paying public for the COBs private luxury ship
Again, don’t tease me, Jose! If the cult is down to 10,000 members, you’ve got drinks and dinner on me…
The number’s don’t lie. There are 50 Ideal Orgs with empty parking lots
and very few staff catering to a handful of public. Upper Orgs are worse .
The Dwarf makes totally false claims of 67 X expansion, so it’s true.
I’ll have a shrimp salad and iced tea.
You got it, pal!
Maybe OT8`s are not coming because they achieved the EP of OT8: You’ve been conned.
So true, Even Bears caught in traps baited with jelly doughnuts wise up
to avoid jelly doughnuts.
How can the first REAL OT level, not be popular? Seems a bit strange….
What the HELL are these OT’s doing on Objectives? I know that’s the way it’s been for a while now.. but I just this minute really got how totally absurd, ridiculous and unbelievable it all is. The whole thing is totally crazy nuts and upside down. The remaining public actually signing up for, believing they need this garbage, and actually doing it after supposedly being at the top or almost top of their bridge.. is quite, quite amazing. Brainwashed to the max. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. These public. Wow. Thank goodness a lot of them are covertly waking up and not showing up for stuff like this, or hopefully not allowing themselves to be regged for this nonsense. Rant over. :0)
Madge, didn’t you read the lineup? It’s purif, SRD, Objectives and then OT8. Finally…the first real OT level.
Or as Idle Morgue explained it to me: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$………….
Not surprising really. While on OTIII it occurred to me that such a tiny percentage of Scnists make it onto the OT Levels. Similarly with the State of Clear.
So, if The Bridge is THE SOLUTION to bringing about a cleared planet, we’re all gonna have to wait a couple of million years to see that come about.
Not only is The Bridge NOT the Road to Freedom, doing it will consume all of your money and time. Double whammy – No OT powers and you just pissed your life away. Lovely.
They’re no longer a cherch. They’ve become a comedy act. And….damn funny too.
Many members of the Church of Scientology (currently ACTIVE in the church) would LIE to the church just to be able to continue to get auditing and training or not be declared. Isn’t that helpful and something that our future society should be based on “People that live with the truth in life”. 🙂
Indianapolis Motor Speedway? Why bother when it’s all left turns? 🙂
I don’t get it. Why would the Purif need to be done by someone who has achieved the OT levels? Naivette on my part, I guess.
alcoboy….$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ is why the Oat Tea’s are re grading the Bridge to No Where.
Oh yeah, right. Silly me!
I guess Oat Tea Ate is the penultimate joke by Ron on Scamologists. The first REAL OT Level with the first OBJECTIVE and verifiable E.P. I still have a hard time understanding who could be stupid enough to do this level and STILL believe in El Con’s B.S. A special kind of stupid is required for that.
Oh well, any “OT” who is still handing money or time over to scamology (in or out of the “church”) gets what they deserve at this point as they are willingly forwarding a criminal scam that they cannot deny they know about.
“who could be stupid enough …”?
The mind can do the most ass…tronomical convoluted
gyrations. LRH had that right.
Come on Lars, El Con lived inside that kind of mind… 🙂
Mike Wynski – IMHO, you really sound like you have not yet finished your decompression. Perhaps you should put more attention on it,
1984, it is evident from your posts on here over time that you haven’t had coherent thought since you were sucked in by El Con. I mean, if a psych were to read your posts, you would be put in a rubber room for life. 😉
Pot calling kettle black……
Well Mike, the only logical* thing to do is buy a bigger ship.
*by logic I of course mean DaveLogic, which has no rhyme or reason but will eventually lead you to a padded room.
Hi NOLAGirl! Haven’t seen you around lately.
Hey OSD, I’ve been around. I never miss one of Mike’s posts, just been too busy to comment. Hope all is well with you and the family. 🙂
Are the koolaiders wisening up? That, or most are broke? That, or they have been before and not felt the benefit? Or, am holding my breath here, there’re more leaving and not available?
They can’t afford the Kool-Aid anymore. People have to find cheaper ways to kill themselves now. 🙁
I never went there, thank goodness. I was nearly conned to go but ducked out of it the next day. I quickly had second thoughts. I was surprised when I was let off the hook easily. Whew!