After reading this post, I actually regret not having “overboarded” Miscavige off the deck of the Freewinds into the Bay near an island in the Caribbean in 1989 when I had the chance. It would have saved Scientology a lot of BS.
The biggest Scientology event I ever attended was at Flag in about 1978 or so. A german man was telling us why we should get onto OT VII. The logic was clear. You could reduce your cost per hour for auditing under the supervision of a C/S. There were at least 1,500 in the auditorium and beyond into the hallways. He said “If you pay $8,000 for the level and $1,200 every six months, the more hours you audit, the lower the cost. Thousands got onto the level because I called them for the SO unit a few months later. Most on OT VII got into session everyday, flew ruds, and then reported the session. No one bothered them until Miscavige came along and declared the I/C as a suppressive.
This joke with Miscavige has gone on too long. This guy needs to retire tomorrow.
More humor from RB. I do have to point out one outpoint in this comic and that is that anyone working for a Scientologists is making a lot of money. In 35 years I never saw that. Instead what I did see was good people not being paid well or on time. Many are the Ex Scios that I know that will tell wild stories of working like slaves, not for the CoS but for some Scn company and then being screwed out of their pay somehow. Another common complaint was that they were not paid on time, sometimes waiting weeks for paychecks. Now in Calif. which is where my information and experience on this originates, both of the above issues are crimes. Labor crimes but crimes none the less. Scn companies were and maybe still are famous for non compliance with Calif labor law. I have seen and heard of some very odd and wild compensation methodologies made up to benefit the employer at the expense of the employee. ALL of the various stories about this I have seen and heard are wild departures from what is legal in calif.
Some of what I have seen:
NO paycheck- due to excessive contribution to some SCn cause emptying the payroll account. very common.
NO paycheck- Some scheme to pay in gold and buy back the gold coins from the employees later in cash with no tax deductions (withholding), no workers compensation payments and no income reporting.
NO paycheck- reason, your stats are down or reduced pay because stats are down.
Contractors not paying subcontractors because, well for some made up reason, likely due to the Contractor paying for their personal Bridge and no longer having the money to pay his subs. During one such episode the contractor said he was going to turn the dispute handling over to his wife “Who was good and sorting these things out”. He said this while smiling happily.
The CoS not paying contractors. This is due to the mostly one way flow of money into the CoS being stuck so they have a hard time paying others for real products and labor. I have witnesses the CoS approving work then refusing to pay because it had not been “properly approved” by their methods regardless of legal standards. This was common. I have seen contractors begging for promised payments in the tens of thousands of dollars to make their payrolls being rebuffed for flippant reasons. Their pained and tortured faces telling the story of immanent payroll shortages. This all rolls downhill with terrible consequences.
I learned that the CoS was NOT to be trusted to pay out money. (criminal exchange) I have been in the position of someone deciding to NOT pay for services, even though the check was cut and sitting on someones desk, simply due to some whim.
The Cos and Scn companies are terrible to work with or for. Money always flows to the head(s) at the expense of those beneath them organizationally.
In all your dealings with humanity, if you get a whiff of scientology, do NOT engage, negotiate, donate, pay, or contract with whatever or whomever is producing the smell.
If you sniff out scientology, you should know that the end game is the fleecing of your wallet.
This goes for every and all things scientology.
Please help me in the boycotting of anything and anyone who is a member or supporter of scientology. This includes the funbags and useful idiots of David Miscavige, otherwise known as Hollywood celebrities. There is only one person who SCOHB, and his name is David Miscavige.
I’ve made this comment before but here it is again. I had read a lot about Hubbard years ago when I had researched Alistair Crowley & then when Going Clear & then Leah & Mike’s show, came out & shed even more light about what was going on, everything I heard just made me livid. I got my whole family to watch both & they feel the same way. Now my brother & I are boycotting any movie or tv show that has a Scientologist in it. I know it’s a very small thing, but I need to do SOMETHING. I wish there was more I could do being an outsider & if there is, I hope someone can let me know. I am so proud of all the people on these blogs that have gone through hell and back (& many who still are w/o their families) and are fighting back.
Tim- VERY interesting insight into the commercial (non-religious) Labor practices of the CoS. Especially about the gold. Managing buy backs of gold in lieu of wages could be way to launder or hide church income/donations from their members and keep it off the books?????
Nothing that elaborate OhioBuckeye. Avoiding paying Fed & State Employer side contributions can make a business owner rich by itself. Which is one reason why people employ illegal aliens in lieu of legal workers.
I remember one scamology s/w company who made a lot of $ for the the owners avoiding Fed taxes, The Software Works. I met a person who worked in that company’s finance area. The company made tons of money over the years refusing to pay overtime and the income taxes that went along with it. Ripping off the employees and the government.
If Scientologists don’t watch, radio, newspapers, internet – how can they save a world they know nothing about? If wogs hold such a dim view in CoS eyes – why save anybody? Save yourself!
The criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology is a high control environment. It makes no difference what the ostensible purpose is, the real purpose is to make the victims feel good about being victimised.
People more experienced and qualified than me have written about it, e.g. “opening minds” by Jon Atack.
That twit Miscavige spends hours pouring over his little dictionary to find big words that only a douchebag would use in everyday speech.
David Miscavige really is the king of the douchebags. Oh, and Mr. Miscavige, interpret this… the Madame Defarge’s of the world are knitting a nice little record of your crimes.
I’m on the floor with the bla bla bla intro! Hilarious, RB! You nailed every cliche’d phrase.
To: All UTRs and On The Fencers lurking here:
From: Aqua
Re: For Your Eyes Only – An Utterly Private, Personal Survey
Dear UTR or OTFer,
Please go to a quiet place and answer honestly the following questions for yourself:
1) How much more Fake Scientology News can you endure? ___________________________________
2) Would you say your capacity to overlook falsehoods is infinite?___________________________
3) If you answered No to Question #2, would you say this capacity has a limit?_____________________
4) If you answered Yes to Question #3, at what point could it be reached?________________
Thank you for answering these questions to the best of your ability. To do so took a great deal of confront on your part.
Just slightly O/T but did anybody notice that Reza Aslan was fired from CNN? Also, reviews for TC’s Mummy? Mega failure. Quel Surprise! Wonder Woman wins the day.
I’d like to see Wonder Woman throw her lasso of truth around He Who Shall Not Be Named, The Prophet of Scientology, Oracle of Source, Chairman of the Board Religious Technology Center Mr. David Miscavige. Now that’d be a hoot!
Yeah, I’m doing a similar thing just today! Someone I know but haven’t seen in ages could facilitate a business deal, but I’m not sure what his/her status is… so I find myself kind of asking around on the down-low lol. This shit is fucking nuts!
I imagine all conversations between the dwindling members still in scientology have two levels:
1. The superficial bullsh** and acronym-saddled scientology gibberish about nonsensical wins and fake happiness.
2. The non-verbal conversation, just under the surface: probing with facial gestures and eye contact, to try to determine if the other person is a doubter and ready to quietly disconnect or outright blow, or will the person be a KR snitch.
It must be an anxiety riddled nightmare to be in scientology these days.
Yes, it surely creates unbearable atmosphere of fear when navigating among stasi,gestapo,securitatea,nkvd etc. type of crowd.and I’m sure that separates people from each other.it must be a lonely, sad world.pscycotich. expensive too.
Interesting that in Auditor 107, January 1975, the Bridge chart included taught us that the bottom of the bridge, the basic Comm Course, Hubbard Apprentice Scientologist, said you would be able to communicate with anyone on any subject.
Well, in scientology, you quickly learn that if you want to remain in good standing, the only subject you don’t communicate with anyone is how you actually feel.
Good point Valerie. I’ve had thousands of hours of auditing and allways felt I could say how I feel. That is until 2003. I had to fake an FN to be done. I couldn’t even come close to saying how I felt. I would have lost my whole life. I think I’ll point this out (what you said) in next letter to disconnected kids. Thx 🙂
I especially like “Bla bla bla bla WOW am I really saying this shit?” He could say that and get away with it. No one would notice it. (Unless the applause light went on then they would all jump up and applaud like trained seals).
UTR folk may as well leave now and put up with the pain of disconnection. I know if I was still UTR, I would not have made as much headway in recovery. Good luck to all. This is well known by the mind experts to be the nastier cults to come to grips with. Its so complex! Get your self to a safe place with nature and if you are lucky hopefully you have some family that’s been waiting for the day and happy to help. Thanks for the look behind the scenes RB.
I think it is time that Amnesty International, or some other human rights advocate, begins to set up a refuge for those still “in” who need a refuge from the horrors of scientology.
Maybe I will start a campaign… it’s one of those things… if not me, then who?
You do that, WAYC, and this never-in will back you up 125%, to the point of individually emailing everybody I know, posting it all over my FB wall, tweeting about it to my several hundred followers, phoning people to whom I’m closest, and helping pay for it by donating (more) to Amnesty towards this endeavor.
RB, I think I love you. The large assembly of Dominoes is just waiting for that one thing that sets them all falling. What will the push be?
Tom Cruise publicly quits $cientology and condemns Miscavage? Not likely..
An indictment for human trafficking? Not likely.
Another lawsuit for any of the Clampires current or past transgressions?? That is very possible.
Will all of the slush funds that Miscavage runs dry out? Could be, we have no way of knowing the current balance.
When Mikey Gorbachev announced perestroika did he know that he was signing the Soviet Unions death warrant? No, but that is how the iron curtain crumbled.
Brilliant RB!! I am amazed how you can just get it spot-on. In the “old days” of Scn a person had more freedom to talk about things to do with scn, and even natter occasionally but in this era, it is absolutely impossible.
Lois is right. In my 11 years in the SO, if I wrote 2 KRs the entire time, I would be shocked. I actually don’t remember writing any but seem to recall a “Things That Shouldn’t Be” Report once.
I wonder how often the scenario you described is actually occurring. 2 groups of people with the same mindset but are afraid to voice their true thoughts.
I wrote a ton of KRs. I was staff. I wonder…. I often read how people say they didn’t write KRs. I was staff so long, in various organizations, writing KRs was just something you did. I was an EO for a fair bit, so there’s that too. I wonder if the non-KR writers were always public as opposed to staff.
But even as public I later wrote some KRs here and there. I wrote them on org outnesses, injustice, off policy handlings by staff, as well as just things observed.
If you were in the group you needed to take responsibility for it, you needed to report out tech or off policy things so that it didn’t keep happening.
I never “wrote up my 2D”. (I avoided using that term for my significant other) and it always made me a bit queasy to hear about people writing up their spouse. I probably would have written such things given the right circumstance.
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I don’t agree with anything SCN anymore. I still have it all living and breathing in my head and am still daily learning to replace it with real life. I don’t think I’ll ever, “forget the viewpoint”. It had me bamboozled for the bulk of my life.
Gary, I left with 13 feet stacked legal size copies of KRs I received, Copies of KRs I wrote, RPF assignments etc. 77-96. But only one had anything to do with any sort of disaffection. We were so thought stopped it didn’t even happen between spouses (I had 3 during that time). So only now that things have gotten worse 82 forward the crimes and hog wash must be getting that bad that spouses are talking – more are leaving together. I hope it won’t be long and we’ll have our families back together 🙂
Secret and CeCe. My only idea behind the lack of KRs is either the time period or where I was located in the SO. From 71 until 75 I was on the Apollo and from 76 until 82 I was at INT. So, either Apollo/INT didn’t have a culture of writing KRs or after 1982 things became KR crazy. I had very few KR’s written against me by others – maybe a handful in this time period. It was so uncommon that I actually was greatly upset by receiving them. I know that if we had a problem or upset we often would just talk it out with the person.
I wouldn’t think of writing a KR on my wife so we could pretty much tell each other exactly how we felt, always. Also, I didn’t squeal on my deckhand buddies and later my LRH Ext Comm buddies – I ran that unit and would handle any issues anyway.
I get the feeling normal staff and public were heavily pushed to write KRs based on what I’ve read since.
Mike, did you notice many KRs written on the Apollo?
Yah, We didn’t write up our buddies or close co-workers much. As EO I saw a lot of pissy KRs based on someone’s pique. Those were often laced with evaluations on the person’s tone level or intention. (gak)
Seniors gets pissed because the stats are down and you didn’t make an insane target: KR – he’s protecting his arse. (you’re supposed to write a JE, fool!) (job endangerment chit)
I remember when the stand-alone KR policy was released. Now KRs were not just an overlooked seldom used thing part of “Staff Member Reports”. It was a big deal. We all had to M4 starrate it, and there a staff meeting with much discussion and agreement on how valuable the policy was. THIS was a way we could take responsibility for our group and area and ensure it was all 100 percent on policy and in tech. Ethics, Tech and Admin, right? This was the way to win. Had to have ethics in or tech would never go in.
(I never want to have alzheimer’s but if it happens, at least I will be hopefully blessed with forgetting all this shit)
After that policy was released and agreed to, KRs really became a thing.
My ethics folders exploded with KRs after every “justice” action. I got creamed a bunch of times – (stats up? no ethics protection for YOU, we’re flowing power to the execs!)
One of the most difficult things to swallow and deal with as a staff member was the interrog. A couple times I was illegally ordered to abandon my post to assume a different one (musical chairs) or some such thing, I would protest, write reports, refuse, etc. and then the interrog would come out.
For those who haven’t had this blessing… it’s a nice survey sheet that is given to every single staff member and they MUST fill it out and give it to Ethics. It’s a long list of questions such as: “do you know of any out ethics activities X is involved in?” “has X ever given you false data, out tech verbal tech? “do you know of any ethics violations X has been guilty of?” “Has X spread any entheta to you?” “has X given you any enemy lines?”
The responses were telling. Old beefs would be reported, little bitchy complaints, vague disagreements, and the 3 times you were late in the last 3 years or didn’t report stats on time or whatever. (or the time you broke and told your senior to FUCK OFF)
People I would have thought to have my back DIDN’T. They filled out their interrog with any little thing. One part cover your ass, one part suck-up to the powers that be, one part hidden bitches, one part truly thinking that they were doing the right thing, and one or two asshats you’d rejected as a 2D, getting their revenge.
Who had my back and who didn’t was always telling. I have not forgotten. (I’m lookin at YOU TK)
As EO, I would sometimes ponder the “Fat Ethics File” thing. Hubbster’s policies on finding SPs: “look for the fat ethics file, THERE’S YOUR BOY!” “files do the work! Just look to see who’s ethics file is fat”
The staff had fat ethics files, the public’s were empty. One or two “late to course” KRs, a bounced check, a PTS connection. Public files were skinny little things.
LRH could never be wrong, …but I would wonder about this point, staff members will always have fatter files!
Course, that was before I was on OT levels and spent buy-a-house-money on sec checks and got all those sweet Session KRs.
This is the predicament that the whole “snitching culture” (through the use of Knowledge Reports) puts people in. Many of them may have an internal desire to discuss things openly with others, but any little hint of having doubts could potentially lead to someone writing you up (in their minds, in order to help you). If they do, you get pulled in for a long and difficult security check (at your expense) or face possibly losing so much (family, friends, jobs, room & board, etc.).
And this was all by design according to written policy by one L. Ron Hubbard, just so they can keep people in line. If that’s not control, I don’t know what is. That reminds me of a quote (wrongly attributed to Voltaire, but relevant nonetheless): “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” It’s truly sad to be on the outside and see the proverbial prison they erect around the lives of their members.
And +1 RB for the insertion of Miscaving thinking “WOW, am I really saying this shit?” in all that “Bla bla bla” rambling (yes, I made myself read all of it). I hope most folks who attend these events are (very discreetly) thinking the same thing when he gets up to speak.
Along with, “Wow, am I really saying this shit?” One could imagine Hubbard having no control at what he was eventually self-coerced to writing into policy. He probably couldn’t believe he was writing that shit either. Control of the effect he saw being created before his very eyes became more & more important as it produced blind devotion but more importantly lot’s and lots of money. He must have been somewhat a surprise to him that people responded to him and ‘bought’ his tech like they did and I reckon by the late 50s, early 60s he must have secretly regretted much of his early ramblings and claims. But he couldn’t undue what he had done like DMSMH so he went with his own flow and formed a heavy handed, naval based disciplinary system to police and keep it all in line. The tech became sort of irrelevant from that point imo, evidenced by the nutty (but easily CS/Exec controllable) stuff he developed such as endless space cootie auditing replacing the upper Bridge. He relied heavily upon the gullibility of people believing his every word without question, so he enforced it, the KSW series. But he needed an enemy to make it all work on auto and the PTS SP tech coupled with KRs and as you call it a ‘snitching culture’ filled the void, camouflaged the deceit and put his 3rd Dynamic on self feeding auto. He said in 1951 he had no idea how to control a 3rd Dynamic but he worked out a way, short lived as it turned out. He told far too many outlandish lies in the beginning and covering them up by believing them became a group obsession.
For a never-in, you’ve got a pretty good grasp of the organised Scientology effect. Careful with some of this stuff, it follows you around like a bad smell if you ever take it seriously!
You have heard the story of the Emperor’s New Clothes, right? Everyone sees the emperor is naked, but no one wants to acknowledge it in public. Suddenly, one boy lets everyone in one the truth. People realize that they are not the only ones seeing the naked emperor, and the scam unravels. Once enough people realize that they are not the only ones, it rapidly accelerates through the crowd.
Ceaucescu gave a speech where he tried to rally the people via national TV, but the crowd turned hostile. He had to flee the city where only a few days before he had unquestioned control, and ended up dead only 4 days later. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceau%C8%99escu%27s_final_speech
Could you not imagine something similar happening to Deviant Miscarriage?
East is east and west is west and never the twain shall meet.
Another cracker RB!
Didn’t even Hubbard say something about the revolutionary types should blow up central HQ or something like that. Now would seem an appropriate time.
After reading this post, I actually regret not having “overboarded” Miscavige off the deck of the Freewinds into the Bay near an island in the Caribbean in 1989 when I had the chance. It would have saved Scientology a lot of BS.
The biggest Scientology event I ever attended was at Flag in about 1978 or so. A german man was telling us why we should get onto OT VII. The logic was clear. You could reduce your cost per hour for auditing under the supervision of a C/S. There were at least 1,500 in the auditorium and beyond into the hallways. He said “If you pay $8,000 for the level and $1,200 every six months, the more hours you audit, the lower the cost. Thousands got onto the level because I called them for the SO unit a few months later. Most on OT VII got into session everyday, flew ruds, and then reported the session. No one bothered them until Miscavige came along and declared the I/C as a suppressive.
This joke with Miscavige has gone on too long. This guy needs to retire tomorrow.
Good one RB.
Thanks for gives us front seats every week in the last act of this monstrocity.
More humor from RB. I do have to point out one outpoint in this comic and that is that anyone working for a Scientologists is making a lot of money. In 35 years I never saw that. Instead what I did see was good people not being paid well or on time. Many are the Ex Scios that I know that will tell wild stories of working like slaves, not for the CoS but for some Scn company and then being screwed out of their pay somehow. Another common complaint was that they were not paid on time, sometimes waiting weeks for paychecks. Now in Calif. which is where my information and experience on this originates, both of the above issues are crimes. Labor crimes but crimes none the less. Scn companies were and maybe still are famous for non compliance with Calif labor law. I have seen and heard of some very odd and wild compensation methodologies made up to benefit the employer at the expense of the employee. ALL of the various stories about this I have seen and heard are wild departures from what is legal in calif.
Some of what I have seen:
NO paycheck- due to excessive contribution to some SCn cause emptying the payroll account. very common.
NO paycheck- Some scheme to pay in gold and buy back the gold coins from the employees later in cash with no tax deductions (withholding), no workers compensation payments and no income reporting.
NO paycheck- reason, your stats are down or reduced pay because stats are down.
Contractors not paying subcontractors because, well for some made up reason, likely due to the Contractor paying for their personal Bridge and no longer having the money to pay his subs. During one such episode the contractor said he was going to turn the dispute handling over to his wife “Who was good and sorting these things out”. He said this while smiling happily.
The CoS not paying contractors. This is due to the mostly one way flow of money into the CoS being stuck so they have a hard time paying others for real products and labor. I have witnesses the CoS approving work then refusing to pay because it had not been “properly approved” by their methods regardless of legal standards. This was common. I have seen contractors begging for promised payments in the tens of thousands of dollars to make their payrolls being rebuffed for flippant reasons. Their pained and tortured faces telling the story of immanent payroll shortages. This all rolls downhill with terrible consequences.
I learned that the CoS was NOT to be trusted to pay out money. (criminal exchange) I have been in the position of someone deciding to NOT pay for services, even though the check was cut and sitting on someones desk, simply due to some whim.
The Cos and Scn companies are terrible to work with or for. Money always flows to the head(s) at the expense of those beneath them organizationally.
In all your dealings with humanity, if you get a whiff of scientology, do NOT engage, negotiate, donate, pay, or contract with whatever or whomever is producing the smell.
If you sniff out scientology, you should know that the end game is the fleecing of your wallet.
This goes for every and all things scientology.
Please help me in the boycotting of anything and anyone who is a member or supporter of scientology. This includes the funbags and useful idiots of David Miscavige, otherwise known as Hollywood celebrities. There is only one person who SCOHB, and his name is David Miscavige.
I’ve made this comment before but here it is again. I had read a lot about Hubbard years ago when I had researched Alistair Crowley & then when Going Clear & then Leah & Mike’s show, came out & shed even more light about what was going on, everything I heard just made me livid. I got my whole family to watch both & they feel the same way. Now my brother & I are boycotting any movie or tv show that has a Scientologist in it. I know it’s a very small thing, but I need to do SOMETHING. I wish there was more I could do being an outsider & if there is, I hope someone can let me know. I am so proud of all the people on these blogs that have gone through hell and back (& many who still are w/o their families) and are fighting back.
Tim- VERY interesting insight into the commercial (non-religious) Labor practices of the CoS. Especially about the gold. Managing buy backs of gold in lieu of wages could be way to launder or hide church income/donations from their members and keep it off the books?????
Would love to get others’ opinion on this.
Nothing that elaborate OhioBuckeye. Avoiding paying Fed & State Employer side contributions can make a business owner rich by itself. Which is one reason why people employ illegal aliens in lieu of legal workers.
I remember one scamology s/w company who made a lot of $ for the the owners avoiding Fed taxes, The Software Works. I met a person who worked in that company’s finance area. The company made tons of money over the years refusing to pay overtime and the income taxes that went along with it. Ripping off the employees and the government.
If Scientologists don’t watch, radio, newspapers, internet – how can they save a world they know nothing about? If wogs hold such a dim view in CoS eyes – why save anybody? Save yourself!
The criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology is a high control environment. It makes no difference what the ostensible purpose is, the real purpose is to make the victims feel good about being victimised.
People more experienced and qualified than me have written about it, e.g. “opening minds” by Jon Atack.
“Wow, am I really saying this shit?”…he has to be thinking that a lot whenever he spouts off all his Shermanspeak event drivel.
That twit Miscavige spends hours pouring over his little dictionary to find big words that only a douchebag would use in everyday speech.
David Miscavige really is the king of the douchebags. Oh, and Mr. Miscavige, interpret this… the Madame Defarge’s of the world are knitting a nice little record of your crimes.
I’m on the floor with the bla bla bla intro! Hilarious, RB! You nailed every cliche’d phrase.
To: All UTRs and On The Fencers lurking here:
From: Aqua
Re: For Your Eyes Only – An Utterly Private, Personal Survey
Dear UTR or OTFer,
Please go to a quiet place and answer honestly the following questions for yourself:
1) How much more Fake Scientology News can you endure? ___________________________________
2) Would you say your capacity to overlook falsehoods is infinite?___________________________
3) If you answered No to Question #2, would you say this capacity has a limit?_____________________
4) If you answered Yes to Question #3, at what point could it be reached?________________
Thank you for answering these questions to the best of your ability. To do so took a great deal of confront on your part.
Perfect and truthful questionnaire. One must look into oneself and decide, am I living a lie?
Be brave and be honest with yourself, and it is funny how things get much, much better.
Just slightly O/T but did anybody notice that Reza Aslan was fired from CNN? Also, reviews for TC’s Mummy? Mega failure. Quel Surprise! Wonder Woman wins the day.
Why was Reza Aslan fired?
Making inappropriate comments about Trump.
Started by calling him a piece of sh** and went on from there to criticize his using the recent tragedy to promote his travel ban.
I’d like to see Wonder Woman throw her lasso of truth around He Who Shall Not Be Named, The Prophet of Scientology, Oracle of Source, Chairman of the Board Religious Technology Center Mr. David Miscavige. Now that’d be a hoot!
… oh, you mean the little yellow-eyed deviant with the cirrhosis of the liver from a combination of scotch and steroids?
I wonder if his upper level magic can cure him of his years of self abuse without the aid of real science and pharmaceuticals?
Interesting how many of us went thru the same experience, just like is shown on RB this week. I think is a good button common to many of us.
Yeah, I’m doing a similar thing just today! Someone I know but haven’t seen in ages could facilitate a business deal, but I’m not sure what his/her status is… so I find myself kind of asking around on the down-low lol. This shit is fucking nuts!
I imagine all conversations between the dwindling members still in scientology have two levels:
1. The superficial bullsh** and acronym-saddled scientology gibberish about nonsensical wins and fake happiness.
2. The non-verbal conversation, just under the surface: probing with facial gestures and eye contact, to try to determine if the other person is a doubter and ready to quietly disconnect or outright blow, or will the person be a KR snitch.
It must be an anxiety riddled nightmare to be in scientology these days.
Yes, it surely creates unbearable atmosphere of fear when navigating among stasi,gestapo,securitatea,nkvd etc. type of crowd.and I’m sure that separates people from each other.it must be a lonely, sad world.pscycotich. expensive too.
Hell of a “church”, isn’t it?
Interesting that in Auditor 107, January 1975, the Bridge chart included taught us that the bottom of the bridge, the basic Comm Course, Hubbard Apprentice Scientologist, said you would be able to communicate with anyone on any subject.
Well, in scientology, you quickly learn that if you want to remain in good standing, the only subject you don’t communicate with anyone is how you actually feel.
Good point Valerie. I’ve had thousands of hours of auditing and allways felt I could say how I feel. That is until 2003. I had to fake an FN to be done. I couldn’t even come close to saying how I felt. I would have lost my whole life. I think I’ll point this out (what you said) in next letter to disconnected kids. Thx 🙂
Thinking of you Cece….I feel your pain .. damn . ((HUGS)) baby
The “bla bla bla” opening panel is priceless – and surely is what the tortured crowds are now thinking.
I especially like “Bla bla bla bla WOW am I really saying this shit?” He could say that and get away with it. No one would notice it. (Unless the applause light went on then they would all jump up and applaud like trained seals).
UTR folk may as well leave now and put up with the pain of disconnection. I know if I was still UTR, I would not have made as much headway in recovery. Good luck to all. This is well known by the mind experts to be the nastier cults to come to grips with. Its so complex! Get your self to a safe place with nature and if you are lucky hopefully you have some family that’s been waiting for the day and happy to help. Thanks for the look behind the scenes RB.
I think it is time that Amnesty International, or some other human rights advocate, begins to set up a refuge for those still “in” who need a refuge from the horrors of scientology.
Maybe I will start a campaign… it’s one of those things… if not me, then who?
You do that, WAYC, and this never-in will back you up 125%, to the point of individually emailing everybody I know, posting it all over my FB wall, tweeting about it to my several hundred followers, phoning people to whom I’m closest, and helping pay for it by donating (more) to Amnesty towards this endeavor.
This is EXACTLY the position I found myself in when I was in the co$. I daren’t say anything to anyone for fear of a KR and ethics action.
After I left, so did quite a few others, all at around the same time, plus or minus a year or so.
ALL the ex’s I knew in the co$ turned out to be the same frame of mind as myself. ie They daren’t say anything to anyone either!!!!!
I must admit that it was a brilliant system to get peoples’ “loyalty”………
Once you’re out though there’s a BIG WTF moment!!
RB, I think I love you. The large assembly of Dominoes is just waiting for that one thing that sets them all falling. What will the push be?
Tom Cruise publicly quits $cientology and condemns Miscavage? Not likely..
An indictment for human trafficking? Not likely.
Another lawsuit for any of the Clampires current or past transgressions?? That is very possible.
Will all of the slush funds that Miscavage runs dry out? Could be, we have no way of knowing the current balance.
When Mikey Gorbachev announced perestroika did he know that he was signing the Soviet Unions death warrant? No, but that is how the iron curtain crumbled.
$cientology is the Trabant of new age religions.
Very apt Zemooo. The Trabant is a perfect symbol for tragic belief systems.
OMG Ze… that is a blast from my past.. Yes.. and when the wall fell..many Trabants were abandoned on the side of the road. I love the analogy.
I’m going to have to get more creative. All I ever seem to say to RB’s work is Wow. Wow.
Always apropos. Don’t feel badly. 🙂
An excellent rendition.
Brilliant RB!! I am amazed how you can just get it spot-on. In the “old days” of Scn a person had more freedom to talk about things to do with scn, and even natter occasionally but in this era, it is absolutely impossible.
I agree. Excellent post RB!
Lois is right. In my 11 years in the SO, if I wrote 2 KRs the entire time, I would be shocked. I actually don’t remember writing any but seem to recall a “Things That Shouldn’t Be” Report once.
I wonder how often the scenario you described is actually occurring. 2 groups of people with the same mindset but are afraid to voice their true thoughts.
I wrote a ton of KRs. I was staff. I wonder…. I often read how people say they didn’t write KRs. I was staff so long, in various organizations, writing KRs was just something you did. I was an EO for a fair bit, so there’s that too. I wonder if the non-KR writers were always public as opposed to staff.
But even as public I later wrote some KRs here and there. I wrote them on org outnesses, injustice, off policy handlings by staff, as well as just things observed.
If you were in the group you needed to take responsibility for it, you needed to report out tech or off policy things so that it didn’t keep happening.
I never “wrote up my 2D”. (I avoided using that term for my significant other) and it always made me a bit queasy to hear about people writing up their spouse. I probably would have written such things given the right circumstance.
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I don’t agree with anything SCN anymore. I still have it all living and breathing in my head and am still daily learning to replace it with real life. I don’t think I’ll ever, “forget the viewpoint”. It had me bamboozled for the bulk of my life.
Gary, I left with 13 feet stacked legal size copies of KRs I received, Copies of KRs I wrote, RPF assignments etc. 77-96. But only one had anything to do with any sort of disaffection. We were so thought stopped it didn’t even happen between spouses (I had 3 during that time). So only now that things have gotten worse 82 forward the crimes and hog wash must be getting that bad that spouses are talking – more are leaving together. I hope it won’t be long and we’ll have our families back together 🙂
Secret and CeCe. My only idea behind the lack of KRs is either the time period or where I was located in the SO. From 71 until 75 I was on the Apollo and from 76 until 82 I was at INT. So, either Apollo/INT didn’t have a culture of writing KRs or after 1982 things became KR crazy. I had very few KR’s written against me by others – maybe a handful in this time period. It was so uncommon that I actually was greatly upset by receiving them. I know that if we had a problem or upset we often would just talk it out with the person.
I wouldn’t think of writing a KR on my wife so we could pretty much tell each other exactly how we felt, always. Also, I didn’t squeal on my deckhand buddies and later my LRH Ext Comm buddies – I ran that unit and would handle any issues anyway.
I get the feeling normal staff and public were heavily pushed to write KRs based on what I’ve read since.
Mike, did you notice many KRs written on the Apollo?
Yah, We didn’t write up our buddies or close co-workers much. As EO I saw a lot of pissy KRs based on someone’s pique. Those were often laced with evaluations on the person’s tone level or intention. (gak)
Seniors gets pissed because the stats are down and you didn’t make an insane target: KR – he’s protecting his arse. (you’re supposed to write a JE, fool!) (job endangerment chit)
I remember when the stand-alone KR policy was released. Now KRs were not just an overlooked seldom used thing part of “Staff Member Reports”. It was a big deal. We all had to M4 starrate it, and there a staff meeting with much discussion and agreement on how valuable the policy was. THIS was a way we could take responsibility for our group and area and ensure it was all 100 percent on policy and in tech. Ethics, Tech and Admin, right? This was the way to win. Had to have ethics in or tech would never go in.
(I never want to have alzheimer’s but if it happens, at least I will be hopefully blessed with forgetting all this shit)
After that policy was released and agreed to, KRs really became a thing.
My ethics folders exploded with KRs after every “justice” action. I got creamed a bunch of times – (stats up? no ethics protection for YOU, we’re flowing power to the execs!)
One of the most difficult things to swallow and deal with as a staff member was the interrog. A couple times I was illegally ordered to abandon my post to assume a different one (musical chairs) or some such thing, I would protest, write reports, refuse, etc. and then the interrog would come out.
For those who haven’t had this blessing… it’s a nice survey sheet that is given to every single staff member and they MUST fill it out and give it to Ethics. It’s a long list of questions such as: “do you know of any out ethics activities X is involved in?” “has X ever given you false data, out tech verbal tech? “do you know of any ethics violations X has been guilty of?” “Has X spread any entheta to you?” “has X given you any enemy lines?”
The responses were telling. Old beefs would be reported, little bitchy complaints, vague disagreements, and the 3 times you were late in the last 3 years or didn’t report stats on time or whatever. (or the time you broke and told your senior to FUCK OFF)
People I would have thought to have my back DIDN’T. They filled out their interrog with any little thing. One part cover your ass, one part suck-up to the powers that be, one part hidden bitches, one part truly thinking that they were doing the right thing, and one or two asshats you’d rejected as a 2D, getting their revenge.
Who had my back and who didn’t was always telling. I have not forgotten. (I’m lookin at YOU TK)
As EO, I would sometimes ponder the “Fat Ethics File” thing. Hubbster’s policies on finding SPs: “look for the fat ethics file, THERE’S YOUR BOY!” “files do the work! Just look to see who’s ethics file is fat”
The staff had fat ethics files, the public’s were empty. One or two “late to course” KRs, a bounced check, a PTS connection. Public files were skinny little things.
LRH could never be wrong, …but I would wonder about this point, staff members will always have fatter files!
Course, that was before I was on OT levels and spent buy-a-house-money on sec checks and got all those sweet Session KRs.
but those are tales for another day.
What a great synopsis of being on staff and having to deal with the KR’s. I found it very interest. Thanks!
Thanks, Lois. I owe you a bunch. Your tales and experiences are hair raising. <3
Fu@king brilliant!
And so fucking TRUE! Ladies and gentlemen! Witnesses the incredible shrinking cult! Hurry, hurry…
Yup – all of them having similar thoughts but too afraid to do anything about it BUT…..something CAN be done about it – see what I did there?
This is the predicament that the whole “snitching culture” (through the use of Knowledge Reports) puts people in. Many of them may have an internal desire to discuss things openly with others, but any little hint of having doubts could potentially lead to someone writing you up (in their minds, in order to help you). If they do, you get pulled in for a long and difficult security check (at your expense) or face possibly losing so much (family, friends, jobs, room & board, etc.).
And this was all by design according to written policy by one L. Ron Hubbard, just so they can keep people in line. If that’s not control, I don’t know what is. That reminds me of a quote (wrongly attributed to Voltaire, but relevant nonetheless): “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” It’s truly sad to be on the outside and see the proverbial prison they erect around the lives of their members.
And +1 RB for the insertion of Miscaving thinking “WOW, am I really saying this shit?” in all that “Bla bla bla” rambling (yes, I made myself read all of it). I hope most folks who attend these events are (very discreetly) thinking the same thing when he gets up to speak.
Along with, “Wow, am I really saying this shit?” One could imagine Hubbard having no control at what he was eventually self-coerced to writing into policy. He probably couldn’t believe he was writing that shit either. Control of the effect he saw being created before his very eyes became more & more important as it produced blind devotion but more importantly lot’s and lots of money. He must have been somewhat a surprise to him that people responded to him and ‘bought’ his tech like they did and I reckon by the late 50s, early 60s he must have secretly regretted much of his early ramblings and claims. But he couldn’t undue what he had done like DMSMH so he went with his own flow and formed a heavy handed, naval based disciplinary system to police and keep it all in line. The tech became sort of irrelevant from that point imo, evidenced by the nutty (but easily CS/Exec controllable) stuff he developed such as endless space cootie auditing replacing the upper Bridge. He relied heavily upon the gullibility of people believing his every word without question, so he enforced it, the KSW series. But he needed an enemy to make it all work on auto and the PTS SP tech coupled with KRs and as you call it a ‘snitching culture’ filled the void, camouflaged the deceit and put his 3rd Dynamic on self feeding auto. He said in 1951 he had no idea how to control a 3rd Dynamic but he worked out a way, short lived as it turned out. He told far too many outlandish lies in the beginning and covering them up by believing them became a group obsession.
For a never-in, you’ve got a pretty good grasp of the organised Scientology effect. Careful with some of this stuff, it follows you around like a bad smell if you ever take it seriously!
Another great one RB
Scientology is just waiting for a preference cascade to happen. Then Davey will understand how Ceaucescu felt in Romania
Please, what is a “preference cascade”?
It’s a cascade of preferences, I do believe.
Sounds like a waterfall composed of Q&A.
And particularly, preferred preferences.
But srsly, here is a succinct explanation:
https://www.quora.com/What-is-a-preference-cascade?share=1
this is my favorite new (to me) concept. thank you. I like this muchly.
You have heard the story of the Emperor’s New Clothes, right? Everyone sees the emperor is naked, but no one wants to acknowledge it in public. Suddenly, one boy lets everyone in one the truth. People realize that they are not the only ones seeing the naked emperor, and the scam unravels. Once enough people realize that they are not the only ones, it rapidly accelerates through the crowd.
Ceaucescu gave a speech where he tried to rally the people via national TV, but the crowd turned hostile. He had to flee the city where only a few days before he had unquestioned control, and ended up dead only 4 days later.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceau%C8%99escu%27s_final_speech
Could you not imagine something similar happening to Deviant Miscarriage?
In all fairness Ceaucescu fell because the citizens didn’t have to worry about a Soviet intervention like happened in the Czech uprising…
East is east and west is west and never the twain shall meet.
Another cracker RB!
Didn’t even Hubbard say something about the revolutionary types should blow up central HQ or something like that. Now would seem an appropriate time.