Oh boy… RB making me cry again. I’m just about to hit my one year anniversary of being “out” and reflecting on everything I have learned about the corporation, DM/Ron, and ultimately, myself. I have been struggling with the things I’ve learned in the last year, with what I believe to be true, what my spouse believes to be true, and my relationships with other family members and friends who are Scientologists.
I sit here in silence, trying to keep my happy/good relationships together, while at the same time, wanting to shout from the rooftops to tell my friends what I’ve discovered, and what they could discover too, if they only opened their eyes. I really appreciate what Chris Shelton, Aaron SL, Mike Rinder, and dozens of others have done for this movement.
It’s so frustrating that I can’t talk about this stuff with anyone in my immediate vicinity, and weird because I feel like a fraud sometimes because y’all are so brave for talking about it publicly and I am absolutely terrified. Thank you for all that you all do, and have a happy new year.
Nice post, Hozier. Here are a couple of timeless quotes from the AA philosophy which might apply to the cult experience. “First Things First” “Live and Let Live” “Easy Does It”
I’d bet this exact conversation is happening with most scientologist couples right about now.
It’s over, COB. How ever many times you replay the ANNOUNCEMENT. How ever many times you watch yourself on Ted Kopel. However many meaningless ribbons you yank. IT IS OVER. You better start dealing with reality.
RB,
Thanks for reflecting about the new year. We will all be facing many challenges in 2018. Making the right decisions now will truly affect us in the coming decade.
Family will play a more and more important role as our republic is challenged with more and more economic and political instability.
Scientology will not shelter those who are adversely affected by the maelstrom that is coming. Family will.
Miscavige will not be able to fight that. 5 years ago I would not have thought the cult would lose so much ground as they have.
RB you reflect the new prevailing scene.
Here’s a quote from an LRH song. “We’re going up while the cult goes down”.
I took the liberty of changing one word.
Your raw honesty is beautiful and your story, heartbreaking! One of the most profound conversations I’ve EVER had is the one I got to have with you! When you talked to me about being able to feel, to cry – especially for yourself – it touched and changed my heart in a way I can’t describe! So honored that you shared some of you with me! SOOO impressed at your courage in being so raw and open for all to see!
You’re one hell of a strong person & so many are inspired by what you share! Knowing you’re living your dream, being where you want to be WHEN you want to be, is an inspiration for so many who may be lurking or UTR. Because they relate to the things you’ve felt (or not allowed yourself to feel) and yet, they get to hear about your strength in leaving despite all odds and you WON! You ARE living the life you’ve chosen and you ARE helping people – for REAL!
Much love to you and I’ve got the bonus Grandbabies here with hugs & kisses at the ready when you’re back in this area. In meantime – I hope and pray that every day, every new adventure, brings you wonder, healing and a new reason to FEEL and keep stretching those muscles! You’ve got a huge heart and those of us blessed enough to have crossed your path have ALL been touched by it!
When I got married, I stood up in front of a lot of family and friends (both mine and hers), vowed to be there through thick and thin, ’til death do us part – and I delivered. Marriage wasn’t always easy and then becoming her total caregiver was an awful (but rewarding) experience but as I told her parents “I didn’t know this was what I was going to get when I signed up, but I did sign up.” I realize my path won’t be everyone’s path, but my question is –
What do Sci-ins say at their wedding? (Legit question)
Since Sci’ology marriage seems to have little true communication and even less trust (KR’s), do people promise to love, honor and audit each other? Do they promise to stick around as long as their “Status” keeps improving? Do they promise to “be there” until OSA parts us?
It just seems so disposable, surely the “vows” must be different. Or would that be expecting too much honesty?
As I recall, the SCN marriage ceremonies were pretty much ripped off from Christian ones… Pretty standard stuff, and might have included OBEY with the love &* honor in one of the versions. Back in 1980, KRs, though they existed, weren’t as draconian as I see represented currently, and part of life was sharing how we felt about things in our lives. For instance, I knew more than I probably should have about my friend, Cathy’s attempts to get pregnant as a new bride, My then girlfriend went through a rough patch and I spent much of my “enhancement” time trying to get her into Review, which never happened(And contributed to my later bout of depression that was the genus of my being routed out. IF both of us could have gotten appropriate handling, or even an empathetic ear, I might never have left. Heck, at the time, they were beginning to program their Texas Instrument Mini-computer, a type of machine I later programmed for quite a bit greater salary than Tubby was paying. One of the machines I coded may well be looking over the harbor that “Fleecewinds is squatting in as I type. Curaçao was one of our customers; the machines are tough as nails, and the code was rock-solid when I left. Can’t say the same about ANYthing in the SCN arena.
After reading RB and the following comments, it appears this has triggered a bunch of stuff for some. I know when I read it, I got very emotional….I just kept thinking…he’s going to KR her…when he gave in, I went…phew! Even though this is a parody, I’d like to believe that people still-in are having these off-line conversations..that trust is building and individuals are finding trusting individuals to share their doubts with. I’d like to believe this….I really would.
When I got false commeved out, the senior US official called my wife, then HCOES of the highest ranked org in the US at that time, and told her that if she didn’t agree she would get the same treatment. Her response was, “I know”. Then she hung up the phone, picked up her purse and walked out. Even though she’s no longer my wife, I will never forget her for her two words and the action.
These two are public and apparently find it easier to say what’s on their mind. I never spoke to my SO husband like that in our 24 years. In fact when I told him we’d have to get a divorce because I’d never set foot in another church, there was no discusion. We finished our breckfast at Denny’s in Castaic, hugged and he brought the divorce papers for me to sign a few weeks later. A couple months later he phoned to tell me I was the first to know he was getting married and invited me to his wedding. The invite was cancelled of course – he was marrying X-COCMO PAC ! We spent that Christmas day together seeing a movie and having a steak dinner. In all those years we never spoke about conditions or of COB. I was a robot, carefully programmed to not think and if I did, DO NOT speak of your thoughts. Even writting long notes to the Case Supervisor was frowned on.
I’m so glad to be at least half way out and yes, as been mentioned, usually it comes with some great catastrophe. Hell-of-a-mind mess up to get out of. So many persons speaking out and internet access for only 45$ a month or free in many areas is making this a much easier road. Perhaps more families will leave together.
Mike, I hate to be that person, but my e-mail notifications stopped again. I just assumed you took the week off until I popped in here and saw daily postings.
All the best to you and your beautiful family for 2018!
I keep getting ‘invalid security token” & have to keep reposting. This “star with the like”….I am NOT on Facebook or Twitter, nor do I desire to be. I hope this “invalid security token” can be fixed.
I was thinking that people who have never been in scientology are reading this thinking – it cant possibly be that bad and people who were in are thinking “she wouldn’t dare be that honest with her husband for fear he would turn her in.” Scientology. It’s always worse than you think.
I was listening to a podcast on yawning and realized the immense and total mind control scientology gains on people. What? You say…
Here’s the deal The hosts were joking about the fact that no one was going to get through the podcast without yawning and I thought I didn’t even have the urge to yawn. Then I tried to remember the last time I had had an urge to yawn and realized it had been over 30 years.
LRH said that if you yawned you had a misunderstood word. Therefore, we learned early on to suppress our yawns, then somehow how not to yawn. I seriously don’t remember how to yawn anymore, can’t remember when I last did. I’ve been practicing learning how to yawn again after over 30 years of not yawning.
Scientology sneaks in and insiduously takes all of you, your thoughts are no longer yours, your personality is no longer yours, then they take your family if you try to take back any part of yourself.
Thanks RB and Mike and Terra and all those who are shining a bright light on the truth.
Oh my RB… that sure ushers in the new year with a good dose of Scio mania.
The “disposable family regimen applied!” The Scio’s fall back solution to any sticky situation that’s guaranteed to satisfy scrutiny from above. Unfortunately it’s very true – what a bunch of sick fucks!
I don’t hate scn-ists. It takes one to know one and I was one until 1982. I carried forward maybe six, eight or ten thought patterns from scn until reexamining my scn experience after watching Going Clear. I don’t think any of them actually caused myself or anyone else any damage. The usual reason for hating scn-ists is disconnection, but who really knows what percentage of people it affected over the years. There are lots of fundamentalists in the world. Hate one, hate them all. There but for the Grace of God go I.
The guy in the car is rattling off some scio-think. Pretty silly or crazy, right? Try debating “The only way to get to Heaven is through Jesus.” with a fundamentalist Christian. Good luck.
When I joined the Great Exodus of scn-ists in Los Angeles in 1982-1983, one person I considered a friend and who stayed in told me he could no longer associate with me. So what – his problem, not mine.
I don’t think it’s so much a matter of hate, but more a matter of trust. Scientologists who follow the regime of the Cof$ cannot be trusted! I think that’s been pretty well proven effectively time and time again but the evidence is ignored by those who are meant to monitor such things. The despicable trail created and left behind by such things as disconnection, forced abortions, lies, betrayal, fraud, sexual & physical abuse etc are a matter of justice. How that justice plays out in the minds of its victims is their right to decide and hopefully the authorities will step in, cease the abuses and give badly needed closure. If hate is so decided, that’s an individual’s prerogative.
If someone got benefit from Scientology, so be it, half your luck but many, far too many have suffered at the hands of the Scientology organisation, particularly staff members. Motive, especially of the hidden variety is a very important ingredient when assessing criminal activities.
The fact an organisation such as Scientology with such a provable history of criminality has tax exemption and hides behind constitutional safeguards designed for the religious betterment of life is something I think we all need to come to terms with and somehow seek a solution to end such moral, so called religious and legal barbarity. Mike, Leah, Ortega et al are at the forefront of trying to create a social response to Scientology’s crimes based on evidence and truth.
Every ex Scientologist has their own story and is entitled to their own reality & truth. Those that continually seek to nullify or correct the reality of ex Scientologists are part of problem imho.
That was really strong RB. Why did it make me so happy that a cartoon character made the right decision in the last panel? Nice New Year’s present – I bet there will be a great party at that sister’s house!
Thanks Teen, we need a large force of souls beaming light on this demonic darkness called L Ron Hubbard’s Scientology.
I ask all those who pray and still believe in the magic of spiritual will to daily ask for more celebs and execs to blow and come forward to bring down Miscavige and his decrepit personality.
It’s only a matter of time. Leah and Mike have released a tsunami of public opinion which will gradually destroy Scientology. It needs to be dismantled one lie revealed and one abuse revealed at a time.
I join in your prayers, Brian. If even a “2nd tier” celeb, someone like Erica Christensen or Juliette Lews left, the effect on the cult would be devastating. I also pray that those individuals who have left and chosen to stay silent would start coming forth and opening up about it.
RB,
Thanks for the year.
One of your best this year:
Equus culus latin for horse`s ass.
Lion’s gate to infinity`s door related to front porch of infinity.
Hilarious.
Giving myself a big gold star for getting ‘equus culus’ before reading your post. Er, shouldn’t it be ‘culus equi’? I believe the genetive case is called for. Give me five gold stars (aurea quinque stellae) and this morning’s smart ass award.
If only it was that easy to talk someone out of Scientology. Years of indoctrination are hard to overcome with a “me or them” ultimatum. In my experience the Scientologist tends to chose their “spiritual eternity” over the reality of here and now, unless their bubble is burst in a personally meaningful way.
It’s the getting through in that meaningful way that is the challenge.
I agree with you. I also believe there is another scenario playing out. I’ve been out 8 or 9 years. Only two people ever really disconnected from me. One of them, my sister, has this year been making very cautious reaches to me, all coordinated with OSA, HCO whatever it is. I think the rigidity of disconnection is being done away with. This sister is a highly intelligent person, seen all the ‘entheta’ on the internet or books, and is still dedicated to scn and claims to be winning from the survival R/D, the New purif, etc. I think most of those remaining in by now are hardcore, going nowhere, and trying to maintain comm lines so long as the other party is not being overtly antagonistic. Of course, I may also be wrong and it’s just this single person reaching out to me.
My experience in the past few years tallies with yours. I also have observed evidence of less rigidity with regard to Disconnection. I believe, though, that finance is what determines the degree of rigidity. In other words, if forcing disconnection hurts the Still In and makes him or her significantly poorer so that it translates into less money donated or work done for the cult, then the cult is more flexible provided the “SP” is not being as you’ve said “overtly antagonistic”.
Then again, big f**king deal, you know? We should be GRATEFUL for this?
Sure, its something, but why should ANYONE have to tiptoe around about the abuses perpetrated by the cult that have been observed in order to maintain their connection with their own children, family, friends, etc?
Why should ANYONE have to lie to others AND THEMSELVES by saying they observe what they DON’T observe, and DON’T see what they absolutely DO see?
Its just insane! And not to be born.
Once more I have to salute the courageous ex-Scns here and elsewhere for their refusal to cave to WHAT IS NOTHING LESS THAN BEYOND THE BEYOND INSANITY.
All of you, because of your integrity, may not have the “love” of the ones you love now, BUT, think – if you had caved, how happy and fulfilled would you you’d be getting from them in their current condition?
Like, they “love” you provided you toe the line, NOT be yourselves, see what you don’t see, don’t see what you do see, live all these lies…for what? This is LOVE? I think not.
Robots are capable of forming convenient attachments but they can’t love. A SNAP OF THE FINGERS FROM THEIR PUPPETEER and the relationship with you is OVER, at any time, and for ANY reason. Doesn’t matter. They have their orders, they obey. That’s the “love” and respect and consideration you get from robots.
You did the right thing, people. Easy for me to say, I know, because I am not living this nightmare. Still, its true. You did the right thing.
One more thing: your loved ones weren’t born robots. They still are, underneath, who they really are, the beings you love. The robotism is synthetic, artificial. THEY still love you. THEY never stopped loving you, and never will.
Love your comments, Aqua….. I teared up. As a “Never-in” I’ve teared up many times over the courage of those who sacrificed relationships, who speak out, and who continue to fight the good fight. We need to remember to “LOVE the person and HATE the behavior” when missing loved ones. I have to remember to not judge those still remaining in the bubble….Their day of personal reconciliation will come…soon, I pray.
Thank you, Teen. Wise words from you. We Ex’s were once firmly in, contributing and supporting this organization, feeding this monster. Each of us here had our day of reconciliation and so will each and every one of the Still Ins. There comes a time when we all have to grow up. Yes, parents did this or that and it was wrong…well, these parents had parents too who did things, and back and back into antiquity. Enough. At some point we take charge of our own lives and our own happiness. The Still In “kids” – some of them pushing 40 now, are no exception. Mike Rinder faced it. Leah Remini did it. Hundreds, maybe thousands have faced the truth and gotten out. These “kids” can too. Let me tell you, before I left I knew some “kids” who were pushing FIFTY, yes, 5-0 and their PARENTS were still semi supporting them AND their children.
Time for them to grow up too! And the old ones? Well, its sad and its hard for them but then again, many , if not most of us on this blog are not exactly spring chickens, you know? It can be done and it must be done. At some point they’ll have NO CHOICE, so the sooner they face the music the better!
Good comment. It is something akin to an induced coma for a Scientologist if they are forced to have a conversation to consider they may have choices in life. This “us vs them” runs too deep like being a Mafia family member – this is no ‘out’ except by death, however Scientology gets around that with eternity lost threats.
Just another one of Hubbard’s hypocritical foot bullets for the not quite bright. Those lower down the totem pole see those converted OTs doing their thing and follow suit, but those OTs are brain dead and wouldn’t know what the obvious is, even if it took all their money, their house, their children and their futures off them, which of course the Cof$ does.
Cause over life indeed! The MEST universe and the beings in it ARE the enemy. Hubbard’s War, you might say. Geezer’s, his declaration of war written into policy and policed by OSA stands as testament to what you see the Cof$ do to their own people, and all for money.
My prayer is that scenerio plays out in every car traveling to watch that stupid lion’s gate video this year. I hope 2018 is the year that the house that huckster build is finally destroyed.
You know it’s funny. When we found out Leah Remini left, my son and I looked at each other. We each said, “She might do it. She’s not going to go quietly; she might pull that whole thing down”. The only question we had was whether she had the cache left to really make a difference. We didn’t think about the others who had left before.
Together you are all a mighty force. Sing in with me Miscaviage will scream in 2018 (somebody please come up with something better than that :))
Realizing that my family was under the spell that I had also lived under was painful. The answer was simple ….. I had to leave. I tried to wake others up. That was very difficult and basically did not work. Each of us has to make the decision and take action.
Telling an inney that you are DONE shakes the foundation of the lies that keep the sordid mess afloat. That does make a difference …… it is not easy.
Oh boy… RB making me cry again. I’m just about to hit my one year anniversary of being “out” and reflecting on everything I have learned about the corporation, DM/Ron, and ultimately, myself. I have been struggling with the things I’ve learned in the last year, with what I believe to be true, what my spouse believes to be true, and my relationships with other family members and friends who are Scientologists.
I sit here in silence, trying to keep my happy/good relationships together, while at the same time, wanting to shout from the rooftops to tell my friends what I’ve discovered, and what they could discover too, if they only opened their eyes. I really appreciate what Chris Shelton, Aaron SL, Mike Rinder, and dozens of others have done for this movement.
It’s so frustrating that I can’t talk about this stuff with anyone in my immediate vicinity, and weird because I feel like a fraud sometimes because y’all are so brave for talking about it publicly and I am absolutely terrified. Thank you for all that you all do, and have a happy new year.
Nice post, Hozier. Here are a couple of timeless quotes from the AA philosophy which might apply to the cult experience. “First Things First” “Live and Let Live” “Easy Does It”
Also, as they say in AA, “Keep Coming Back”
That was the happiest ending to RB’s strip today.
I’d bet this exact conversation is happening with most scientologist couples right about now.
It’s over, COB. How ever many times you replay the ANNOUNCEMENT. How ever many times you watch yourself on Ted Kopel. However many meaningless ribbons you yank. IT IS OVER. You better start dealing with reality.
RB,
Thanks for reflecting about the new year. We will all be facing many challenges in 2018. Making the right decisions now will truly affect us in the coming decade.
Family will play a more and more important role as our republic is challenged with more and more economic and political instability.
Scientology will not shelter those who are adversely affected by the maelstrom that is coming. Family will.
Miscavige will not be able to fight that. 5 years ago I would not have thought the cult would lose so much ground as they have.
RB you reflect the new prevailing scene.
Here’s a quote from an LRH song. “We’re going up while the cult goes down”.
I took the liberty of changing one word.
Cece –
Your raw honesty is beautiful and your story, heartbreaking! One of the most profound conversations I’ve EVER had is the one I got to have with you! When you talked to me about being able to feel, to cry – especially for yourself – it touched and changed my heart in a way I can’t describe! So honored that you shared some of you with me! SOOO impressed at your courage in being so raw and open for all to see!
You’re one hell of a strong person & so many are inspired by what you share! Knowing you’re living your dream, being where you want to be WHEN you want to be, is an inspiration for so many who may be lurking or UTR. Because they relate to the things you’ve felt (or not allowed yourself to feel) and yet, they get to hear about your strength in leaving despite all odds and you WON! You ARE living the life you’ve chosen and you ARE helping people – for REAL!
Much love to you and I’ve got the bonus Grandbabies here with hugs & kisses at the ready when you’re back in this area. In meantime – I hope and pray that every day, every new adventure, brings you wonder, healing and a new reason to FEEL and keep stretching those muscles! You’ve got a huge heart and those of us blessed enough to have crossed your path have ALL been touched by it!
Happy New Year, lovely!
When I got married, I stood up in front of a lot of family and friends (both mine and hers), vowed to be there through thick and thin, ’til death do us part – and I delivered. Marriage wasn’t always easy and then becoming her total caregiver was an awful (but rewarding) experience but as I told her parents “I didn’t know this was what I was going to get when I signed up, but I did sign up.” I realize my path won’t be everyone’s path, but my question is –
What do Sci-ins say at their wedding? (Legit question)
Since Sci’ology marriage seems to have little true communication and even less trust (KR’s), do people promise to love, honor and audit each other? Do they promise to stick around as long as their “Status” keeps improving? Do they promise to “be there” until OSA parts us?
It just seems so disposable, surely the “vows” must be different. Or would that be expecting too much honesty?
As I recall, the SCN marriage ceremonies were pretty much ripped off from Christian ones… Pretty standard stuff, and might have included OBEY with the love &* honor in one of the versions. Back in 1980, KRs, though they existed, weren’t as draconian as I see represented currently, and part of life was sharing how we felt about things in our lives. For instance, I knew more than I probably should have about my friend, Cathy’s attempts to get pregnant as a new bride, My then girlfriend went through a rough patch and I spent much of my “enhancement” time trying to get her into Review, which never happened(And contributed to my later bout of depression that was the genus of my being routed out. IF both of us could have gotten appropriate handling, or even an empathetic ear, I might never have left. Heck, at the time, they were beginning to program their Texas Instrument Mini-computer, a type of machine I later programmed for quite a bit greater salary than Tubby was paying. One of the machines I coded may well be looking over the harbor that “Fleecewinds is squatting in as I type. Curaçao was one of our customers; the machines are tough as nails, and the code was rock-solid when I left. Can’t say the same about ANYthing in the SCN arena.
OMG…you have so outdone your amazing self, Regraded Being — thank you, and Happy New Year one and all!
After reading RB and the following comments, it appears this has triggered a bunch of stuff for some. I know when I read it, I got very emotional….I just kept thinking…he’s going to KR her…when he gave in, I went…phew! Even though this is a parody, I’d like to believe that people still-in are having these off-line conversations..that trust is building and individuals are finding trusting individuals to share their doubts with. I’d like to believe this….I really would.
When I got false commeved out, the senior US official called my wife, then HCOES of the highest ranked org in the US at that time, and told her that if she didn’t agree she would get the same treatment. Her response was, “I know”. Then she hung up the phone, picked up her purse and walked out. Even though she’s no longer my wife, I will never forget her for her two words and the action.
Peter, this is profound. She has my admiration for doing the right thing. As do you. Best to you both.
These two are public and apparently find it easier to say what’s on their mind. I never spoke to my SO husband like that in our 24 years. In fact when I told him we’d have to get a divorce because I’d never set foot in another church, there was no discusion. We finished our breckfast at Denny’s in Castaic, hugged and he brought the divorce papers for me to sign a few weeks later. A couple months later he phoned to tell me I was the first to know he was getting married and invited me to his wedding. The invite was cancelled of course – he was marrying X-COCMO PAC ! We spent that Christmas day together seeing a movie and having a steak dinner. In all those years we never spoke about conditions or of COB. I was a robot, carefully programmed to not think and if I did, DO NOT speak of your thoughts. Even writting long notes to the Case Supervisor was frowned on.
I’m so glad to be at least half way out and yes, as been mentioned, usually it comes with some great catastrophe. Hell-of-a-mind mess up to get out of. So many persons speaking out and internet access for only 45$ a month or free in many areas is making this a much easier road. Perhaps more families will leave together.
“In fact, when I told him we’d have to get a divorce because I’d never set foot in another church, there was no discussion.”
Cece, I haven’t the words for this profound wrongness.. Sending you the thoughts and feelings I’m unable to articulate.
Cece, be glad to be out of that mind controlled church. You said it, this is much easier freedom road. Your new friend. Tony
This broke my heart. I am so glad you are free. You sacrificed so much.
Mike, I hate to be that person, but my e-mail notifications stopped again. I just assumed you took the week off until I popped in here and saw daily postings.
All the best to you and your beautiful family for 2018!
Ike, mine have stopped again too. Nothing all week. ?
Mine, too.
And, as I look at the screen the past few days, every single post shows a star, followed by the word “Loading”. It’s been that way for days.
Hi mike
I haven’t received any as well. Got this via the bunker site?
My email notifications have stopped too.
I keep getting ‘invalid security token” & have to keep reposting. This “star with the like”….I am NOT on Facebook or Twitter, nor do I desire to be. I hope this “invalid security token” can be fixed.
I was thinking that people who have never been in scientology are reading this thinking – it cant possibly be that bad and people who were in are thinking “she wouldn’t dare be that honest with her husband for fear he would turn her in.” Scientology. It’s always worse than you think.
I was listening to a podcast on yawning and realized the immense and total mind control scientology gains on people. What? You say…
Here’s the deal The hosts were joking about the fact that no one was going to get through the podcast without yawning and I thought I didn’t even have the urge to yawn. Then I tried to remember the last time I had had an urge to yawn and realized it had been over 30 years.
LRH said that if you yawned you had a misunderstood word. Therefore, we learned early on to suppress our yawns, then somehow how not to yawn. I seriously don’t remember how to yawn anymore, can’t remember when I last did. I’ve been practicing learning how to yawn again after over 30 years of not yawning.
Scientology sneaks in and insiduously takes all of you, your thoughts are no longer yours, your personality is no longer yours, then they take your family if you try to take back any part of yourself.
Thanks RB and Mike and Terra and all those who are shining a bright light on the truth.
Sunshine disinfects.
LOL Valerie. So true 🙂
I knew reading your post i was going to yawn. I can’t read 10 yawns in one paragraph and not yawn myself.
Good job!
Wow Valerie, just wow.
I am blown away about your story of yawning….. Even down to a normal bodily function, they controlled. Unbelievably sad and despicable…
Oh my RB… that sure ushers in the new year with a good dose of Scio mania.
The “disposable family regimen applied!” The Scio’s fall back solution to any sticky situation that’s guaranteed to satisfy scrutiny from above. Unfortunately it’s very true – what a bunch of sick fucks!
I don’t hate scn-ists. It takes one to know one and I was one until 1982. I carried forward maybe six, eight or ten thought patterns from scn until reexamining my scn experience after watching Going Clear. I don’t think any of them actually caused myself or anyone else any damage. The usual reason for hating scn-ists is disconnection, but who really knows what percentage of people it affected over the years. There are lots of fundamentalists in the world. Hate one, hate them all. There but for the Grace of God go I.
+1
Well said, Richard.
The guy in the car is rattling off some scio-think. Pretty silly or crazy, right? Try debating “The only way to get to Heaven is through Jesus.” with a fundamentalist Christian. Good luck.
When I joined the Great Exodus of scn-ists in Los Angeles in 1982-1983, one person I considered a friend and who stayed in told me he could no longer associate with me. So what – his problem, not mine.
I also get it that RB is highlighting fundamentalist thinking and not promoting ill will or hatred toward individuals.
Hatred does more harm to the hater than the hated. Spot on, Richard.
I don’t think it’s so much a matter of hate, but more a matter of trust. Scientologists who follow the regime of the Cof$ cannot be trusted! I think that’s been pretty well proven effectively time and time again but the evidence is ignored by those who are meant to monitor such things. The despicable trail created and left behind by such things as disconnection, forced abortions, lies, betrayal, fraud, sexual & physical abuse etc are a matter of justice. How that justice plays out in the minds of its victims is their right to decide and hopefully the authorities will step in, cease the abuses and give badly needed closure. If hate is so decided, that’s an individual’s prerogative.
If someone got benefit from Scientology, so be it, half your luck but many, far too many have suffered at the hands of the Scientology organisation, particularly staff members. Motive, especially of the hidden variety is a very important ingredient when assessing criminal activities.
The fact an organisation such as Scientology with such a provable history of criminality has tax exemption and hides behind constitutional safeguards designed for the religious betterment of life is something I think we all need to come to terms with and somehow seek a solution to end such moral, so called religious and legal barbarity. Mike, Leah, Ortega et al are at the forefront of trying to create a social response to Scientology’s crimes based on evidence and truth.
Every ex Scientologist has their own story and is entitled to their own reality & truth. Those that continually seek to nullify or correct the reality of ex Scientologists are part of problem imho.
My thoughts exactly even though I could’t put them into words the way you did. Great job.
That was really strong RB. Why did it make me so happy that a cartoon character made the right decision in the last panel? Nice New Year’s present – I bet there will be a great party at that sister’s house!
Pretty soon it will just be DM, FG & Fool singing Hubtard’s praises.
don’t forget the fool whales that keep buying IAS status,
I’m having a belly laugh LOL LOL LOL
Hey DM, you are laughing as well? I’m sure you are.
Regraded Being, that was, for me, one of your most powerful. It actually made me feel slightly ill thinking of family love being torn apart like that.
It’s heart wrenching.
May this societal pariah have its most challenge and truth revealing in 2018.
All we all need to do is continue to tell the truth about Scientology and L Ron Hubbard.
I’m hoping we get another big exec blow who works close to DM. I’m really going to pray for that.
Or…..
Another big celebrity. Please Universe…….
Deliver us another big exec or celeb. Make them big please❤️?
Praying with you, Bri….
Thanks Teen, we need a large force of souls beaming light on this demonic darkness called L Ron Hubbard’s Scientology.
I ask all those who pray and still believe in the magic of spiritual will to daily ask for more celebs and execs to blow and come forward to bring down Miscavige and his decrepit personality.
It’s only a matter of time. Leah and Mike have released a tsunami of public opinion which will gradually destroy Scientology. It needs to be dismantled one lie revealed and one abuse revealed at a time.
I join in your prayers, Brian. If even a “2nd tier” celeb, someone like Erica Christensen or Juliette Lews left, the effect on the cult would be devastating. I also pray that those individuals who have left and chosen to stay silent would start coming forth and opening up about it.
Thanks Bix!
RB,
Thanks for the year.
One of your best this year:
Equus culus latin for horse`s ass.
Lion’s gate to infinity`s door related to front porch of infinity.
Hilarious.
Lions gate. How perfect is that. When you join this cult, you get shredded to pieces. ROAR!
Giving myself a big gold star for getting ‘equus culus’ before reading your post. Er, shouldn’t it be ‘culus equi’? I believe the genetive case is called for. Give me five gold stars (aurea quinque stellae) and this morning’s smart ass award.
You may have both, Sir.
Great one, RB !!!
The balls in this family are not where you normally find them.
Definitely.
I found mine in the garbage disposal. Not sure if they’re functional anymore.
Just put ’em through the rinse and spin cycle. They’ll be fine.
If only it was that easy to talk someone out of Scientology. Years of indoctrination are hard to overcome with a “me or them” ultimatum. In my experience the Scientologist tends to chose their “spiritual eternity” over the reality of here and now, unless their bubble is burst in a personally meaningful way.
It’s the getting through in that meaningful way that is the challenge.
I agree with you. I also believe there is another scenario playing out. I’ve been out 8 or 9 years. Only two people ever really disconnected from me. One of them, my sister, has this year been making very cautious reaches to me, all coordinated with OSA, HCO whatever it is. I think the rigidity of disconnection is being done away with. This sister is a highly intelligent person, seen all the ‘entheta’ on the internet or books, and is still dedicated to scn and claims to be winning from the survival R/D, the New purif, etc. I think most of those remaining in by now are hardcore, going nowhere, and trying to maintain comm lines so long as the other party is not being overtly antagonistic. Of course, I may also be wrong and it’s just this single person reaching out to me.
dr mac,
My experience in the past few years tallies with yours. I also have observed evidence of less rigidity with regard to Disconnection. I believe, though, that finance is what determines the degree of rigidity. In other words, if forcing disconnection hurts the Still In and makes him or her significantly poorer so that it translates into less money donated or work done for the cult, then the cult is more flexible provided the “SP” is not being as you’ve said “overtly antagonistic”.
Then again, big f**king deal, you know? We should be GRATEFUL for this?
Sure, its something, but why should ANYONE have to tiptoe around about the abuses perpetrated by the cult that have been observed in order to maintain their connection with their own children, family, friends, etc?
Why should ANYONE have to lie to others AND THEMSELVES by saying they observe what they DON’T observe, and DON’T see what they absolutely DO see?
Its just insane! And not to be born.
Once more I have to salute the courageous ex-Scns here and elsewhere for their refusal to cave to WHAT IS NOTHING LESS THAN BEYOND THE BEYOND INSANITY.
All of you, because of your integrity, may not have the “love” of the ones you love now, BUT, think – if you had caved, how happy and fulfilled would you you’d be getting from them in their current condition?
Like, they “love” you provided you toe the line, NOT be yourselves, see what you don’t see, don’t see what you do see, live all these lies…for what? This is LOVE? I think not.
Robots are capable of forming convenient attachments but they can’t love. A SNAP OF THE FINGERS FROM THEIR PUPPETEER and the relationship with you is OVER, at any time, and for ANY reason. Doesn’t matter. They have their orders, they obey. That’s the “love” and respect and consideration you get from robots.
You did the right thing, people. Easy for me to say, I know, because I am not living this nightmare. Still, its true. You did the right thing.
One more thing: your loved ones weren’t born robots. They still are, underneath, who they really are, the beings you love. The robotism is synthetic, artificial. THEY still love you. THEY never stopped loving you, and never will.
Love your comments, Aqua….. I teared up. As a “Never-in” I’ve teared up many times over the courage of those who sacrificed relationships, who speak out, and who continue to fight the good fight. We need to remember to “LOVE the person and HATE the behavior” when missing loved ones. I have to remember to not judge those still remaining in the bubble….Their day of personal reconciliation will come…soon, I pray.
Thank you, Teen. Wise words from you. We Ex’s were once firmly in, contributing and supporting this organization, feeding this monster. Each of us here had our day of reconciliation and so will each and every one of the Still Ins. There comes a time when we all have to grow up. Yes, parents did this or that and it was wrong…well, these parents had parents too who did things, and back and back into antiquity. Enough. At some point we take charge of our own lives and our own happiness. The Still In “kids” – some of them pushing 40 now, are no exception. Mike Rinder faced it. Leah Remini did it. Hundreds, maybe thousands have faced the truth and gotten out. These “kids” can too. Let me tell you, before I left I knew some “kids” who were pushing FIFTY, yes, 5-0 and their PARENTS were still semi supporting them AND their children.
Time for them to grow up too! And the old ones? Well, its sad and its hard for them but then again, many , if not most of us on this blog are not exactly spring chickens, you know? It can be done and it must be done. At some point they’ll have NO CHOICE, so the sooner they face the music the better!
Aq, very good point. The love is still there. And love conquers all.
Good comment. It is something akin to an induced coma for a Scientologist if they are forced to have a conversation to consider they may have choices in life. This “us vs them” runs too deep like being a Mafia family member – this is no ‘out’ except by death, however Scientology gets around that with eternity lost threats.
Just another one of Hubbard’s hypocritical foot bullets for the not quite bright. Those lower down the totem pole see those converted OTs doing their thing and follow suit, but those OTs are brain dead and wouldn’t know what the obvious is, even if it took all their money, their house, their children and their futures off them, which of course the Cof$ does.
Cause over life indeed! The MEST universe and the beings in it ARE the enemy. Hubbard’s War, you might say. Geezer’s, his declaration of war written into policy and policed by OSA stands as testament to what you see the Cof$ do to their own people, and all for money.
“It is something akin to an induced coma for a Scientologist if they are forced to have a conversation to consider they may have choices in life.”
This is funny. I suspect you didn’t intend it to be, Yawn, but it is.
“Equus cūlus” … horse’s ass? Good one!
My prayer is that scenerio plays out in every car traveling to watch that stupid lion’s gate video this year. I hope 2018 is the year that the house that huckster build is finally destroyed.
You know it’s funny. When we found out Leah Remini left, my son and I looked at each other. We each said, “She might do it. She’s not going to go quietly; she might pull that whole thing down”. The only question we had was whether she had the cache left to really make a difference. We didn’t think about the others who had left before.
Together you are all a mighty force. Sing in with me Miscaviage will scream in 2018 (somebody please come up with something better than that :))
If only it were so simple.
If you are made to choose between your church and your family, that is not a church.
The way out is out. There is no other way.
” If only it were so simple.”
It is that simple, it’s just never easy!
Realizing that my family was under the spell that I had also lived under was painful. The answer was simple ….. I had to leave. I tried to wake others up. That was very difficult and basically did not work. Each of us has to make the decision and take action.
Telling an inney that you are DONE shakes the foundation of the lies that keep the sordid mess afloat. That does make a difference …… it is not easy.