I don’t remember referring to any individual as a wog. I might have made a joke here or there about the wog world in general. I figured non scn-ists were pre scn-ists which is still a superior attitude.
I never worried about “they” (the organization) preventing me from doing anything but I was never sea org. I dated a sea org gal for a while. I guess that was okay for her as long as her stats were up. Maybe things changed.
Years ago, probably the late 70’s/early 80’s’ my brother-in-law (before he married my sister) was walking down the street and a woman in a car driving by flashed her breasts and yelled there was a party that night providing when/where. Naturally, my brother-in-law gathered his buddies and they went. The party was actually a Scn recruitment gathering.
It appears their tactics haven’t changed much over the years.
Scn had no prohibition against drinking alcohol other than no alcohol consumption 24 hours before an auditing session. Saturday night was a time to let loose – everybody get foot loose.
When I read today’s Blog, my first thought was ” Ah, shit! Them two bitches at the org are at it again!”
They really need to be shot! Or is that too extreme?
Can,t believe that any man with half a brain would go after some woman who he knows is in Scamology , not after everything that has been on the media over the last few years , After learning what I have about Scamology and If I was single ( which I am not and very happily married to a beautiful , wonderful woman that I love so very much ) and had a woman from Scamology romantically approach me ( even if I found out about her cult later on ) I would drop her like the proverbial hot potato and treat her like a lepper with a good dose of the black plague thrown in for good measure .
As for shooting those 2 on the cartoon , line them up one behind the other , don,t waste the ammo .
I never tell anyone I was in. Not that I lie; I just don’t offer the information. Give them the opportunity to get to know me first before sharing that. Let them get grounded in the concept that I’m not a total lunatic before getting into any of that! 🙂 But with the man I’ve been seeing, he googled my name (I guess) shortly after we met, and (I guess) my Scientology cookie cutter thing must have come up because he asked me if I was a Scientologist. I told him I had taken courses that I’d found helpful but that the organization itself is another matter entirely, and no, I was not a Scientologist. That answer apparently satisfied him and didn’t keep him from asking me out. We seem to get along pretty well. He doesn’t ask me questions about my time in Scientology. I don’t grill him about why he got divorced after 30 years. If it works out and we get more serious some day I’ll share with him more personal details as re the cult. For now, its easy does it. Create good stuff in the present, and the future takes care of itself. Something like that. 🙂
Agreed , there were a lot of things that we both kept to ourselves until the relationship grew far enough and both of us could handle it .
Never grilled my wife either why she got divorced from her first husband in the early days of our relationship , just went one step at a time as they say .
These days we can talk about anything and both know about each others history , we treat it as exactly that “past history ” .
He sounds like a good man , hang on to him your on the right track .
Extreme? Yep.
I’d hate to think that someone would have thought that I was worthy of being shot back when I was doing stupid things in the name of religion.
I know a woman, never marred, about 45, and she is in deep, real deep, in scientology. She keeps trying to get me to set her up with friends or guys I know. It’s actually sad because she is so desperate, and when she has a date, it’s usually just one date and she never hears from the guy again. I told her I don’t know any scientologists and those that I do know are from her group. She told me they don’t need to be in scientology because scientology accepts all people from all religions and never requires them to change. I said bullshit. Can someone like me be a SP even though I have never been in scientology? I’m sure they talk about my SP nature all the time. I just laugh.
Are you singing that casino song from the 1978 version of Battlestar Galactica?
It’s love, love, love!
It’s love, love, love!
It’s love, love, love, love, love, love!
LOVE! LOVE!
(LOOOOOVVVVEEEEE!)
(crash.shatter.)
With recent social media playing a huge part in the exposure of sexual and other unsavoury conduct, especially of people in positions of power over others, I think Scientology walks a dangerous line of being accused broadly of just that. Sexual innuendo and false personal attraction and “love bombing” with ulterior motives is just as much fraud as trickers or perverts use to fleece their marks.
I think anyone that’s been involved in an Org for any length of time would agree the tactics used to snare a would be Scientologist are subtly if not outright repulsive. It depends on the degree of how aware you are of the scam Scientology actually represents.
It would be in the interests of justice if Scientology’s tactics were better seen for just what they are – they prey on human emotions. Just a cursory look at official Cof$ promo involving young attractive people and to piece together what are their actual background motives, and then reconcile that with the amount of victims there are of the cult. In particular the financial devastation of all its members (except the whales, but they too eventually feel the pinch) but also of the reality Scientology is composed and run by a workforce of underpaid slavery, living in dormitory/barracks like conditions with no personal life of their own. To please their masters is about as high an accomplishment they are permitted.
Scientology’s practice of perverting themselves to justify the result has degraded into a mind boggling insanity. It will never get better, only worse. Leah & Mike’s work has been marvellous in exposing them. Let’s hope it filters out more broadly on this latest frenzy of social response to misconduct of those with power in their professions.
Another good one RB, but this one really shows the attitude a Scientologist has and how they “play” people.
Great comic for the Friday after Valentine’s Day, RB.
Nothing beats the 2D as a tool for cult recruitment. A Twin I had on one of my courses told me, “I would never have married (his wife) if she hadn’t become a Scientologist”.
A wealthy woman I knew (public Scientologist) has been going to Flog for decades so that she can meet a male Scientologist, and she doesn’t care in the least how much money he might have or not have, she’s desperate to meet and marry SOMEBODY – any decent male, who’s in the cult. She has paid for her Bridge TWICE including her OT levels. For various reasons, they’re never going to audit her or train her. I knew this because I knew policy. She didn’t know this, or maybe just didn’t want to know.
The money she has on account at Flog was continually being used up for sec checks, donations, and other cult what-not. Before I left I told her they’ll never audit her and I told her why – its all in the policy. She refused to read it. She brushed me off, saying, “I can’t just walk away. I’m invested”.
She keeps getting enticed by the Flog Reg’ges who dangle the possibility of meeting a nice Scientology man.
They are playing her mercilessly. I tried to wake her up but , well, I tried.
Her family hates Scientology and the cult doesn’t order her to disconnect from them because her money comes from them. .
Flog has gotten an awful lot out of her so far and given back very little, essentially due to her craving for a relationship, which she COULD have outside of the cult, but she doesn’t want that, she wants a Scientologist, and they play that card with her, mercilessly.
Like I said, I tried. The good news is that she’ll never be broke. Her family has a policy of piecing out the money to her. They’ll never give her ALL that’s hers because they KNOW it will go right to the cult.
Aqua, She needs to do the cause resurgence rundown … or do it again , but ultimately there is no “you’re not stupid anymore” pill currently on the market .
That poor woman. Scientology just sucks the life and money out of everyone they touch. The loneliness of those stuck within could so easily be remedied… just walk away. Yet they stay.
Thing is, how do you know you’d want to marry someone if you didn’t date him? or her? Aside from the physical attractions factors, Isn’t it a good idea to get to KNOW someone, to see him or her in MANY different situations, to really have a very good concept of who this person IS,what this person believes, how this person handles the key aspects of his or her own life BEFORE vowing to live with and be faithful to this person for life? Habits? Etc? Not to mention having this person become the mother/father of your children – how does one do this, without dating?
Aqua, you’re completely right here on all points. Kyle obviously has no spirit of adventure . To live fully, one must sometimes boldly risk severe heartache for temptation. (at my age, I find it wise policy to give in to temptation regularly).
Years ago my brother walked into the L.A. org and took the personality test. He got bummed out pretty fast. They sicced a cute “flirty chick” on him, but he was having none of it and headed for the door, to a chorus of entreaties to stay. Way to go, bro.
LOL. I understand the Children of God females actually put out. Something about being a “holy prostitute.” So at least you got a little nooky, not just the promise of same that the “flirty chicks” of $cion give you.
“What’s their phone number?” I was thinking the same thing about the woman from a wealthy family Aquamarine mentions above. I speak the language.
(joke)
I once went on a few dates with a woman who was an expert gemstone appraiser. She knew several wealthy women who would consult her before making a gemstone investment.
At about that time Richard Gere was in a movie, I think it was called “American Gigolo”. I jokingly suggested to her that maybe she should “introduce” me to some of her wealthy clients. She took me seriously! Yikes!
I started a gemmology course once. Too technical with all the scientific mumbo jumbo & crystallography stuff for my tastes. But one fellow who ran the administration of it was a gem dealer of broad experience. He informed me to treat the gem industry with caution and don’t ask too many questions if you start dealing in expensive stuff. Lot’s of money laundering is done in that business. Stones can be bought and sold that don’t exist etc. Insurance fraud is rife too. Not many business have an aspect where something worth millions fits in the palm of your hand. Synthetics are getting better and better too, which generates & incites fraud. They now make manmade opal which is almost impossible to tell it’s not real.
Way back in the 70’s Asian/Burmese buyers would turn up (smuggled in to country by light planes) at the sapphire fields in central Queensland with a suitcase full of cash and a pistol. They would buy only deep cornflour blue sapphires. Probably passed off as Burmese stones somewhere else in the world. It’s a ‘fun’ industry, lots of James Bond type stuff goes on in it.
Your friend would have probably had a shady side anyway and yes, she would have taken you seriously. You could have missed out playing quite the game with her, if you like a risky, adrenaline type of life.
Aquamarinesays
Richard, she and I have not been in touch for 4 years and who knows what the org people have told her about me (because I’m certain that she must have asked). That said, I’d have no problem per se giving you her number and having her know that you got it from me. On the other hand, this woman is IN the cult and one of their dependable cash cows and I’m an undeclared SP and I’m assuming you haven’t been graced with any goldenrod and are also an undeclared SP. So she’d date you and then like an idiot she’d tell someone IN and Flog would find out about it and bleed even more money out of her – she’s constantly getting ordered down there for sec checking and she’s not even getting audited – a true victim, Richard. I think its because she was born so rich and given everything and that she’s harboring guilt about that…I don’t know, really, but, point being, if not the Scn cult ripping her off, SOMEBODY would be…is my take on her. She’s had a several boyfriends she’s helped and supported who’ve done just that.
Aquamarine and I Yawnalot – Before I got into scn I had considered emigrating to Australia. That would be my preferred adventure over becoming a gigolo – haha
Richard, that’s funny. I very nearly moved to Australia myself. At the time I wanted to get far away from anything and anyone familiar. Long story but I didn’t move there although I did move somewhere else far away. Still haven’t made it to Australia although it has always appealed to me for some reason.
Do you think “flirty chicks” are anything like Charlie’s “Front Street Girls”? Do you know of any cases where the CO$ management organized some ladies to entice lonely men to join the cult and then have those men place all their money and time and property under the control of the CO$? I would have expected that to be a common recruiting technique. It is certainly highly sexist in that I’ve never heard of using men to entice lonely ladies to join the cult and then have those ladies place all their money and time and property under the control of the CO$. But, although it seems fairly common to use ladies to seduce and control men, it just doesn’t seem to work the other way around. Highly sexist? Or is that just the way of the world?
Skyler, in answer to your question, watch an old film called, “The Heiress”. It won an for Oscar best picture of 1949 I believe. It was much nominated, that I know. Olivia DeHaviland, Montgomery Clift and Ralph Richardson. A superb film, based on the novella “Washington Square” by Henry James. Fortune hunting, mind control and so forth as re the opposite sex has been going on for eons down the ages and has always been an Equal Opportunity activity!
I have seen that film and found it to be very powerful. I enjoyed it very much. I can’t argue with any of the points you have made. I must admit that you are definitely correct about fortune hunting and mind control. It was an excellent film to be sure.
Well, whaddya want from a Regraded Being? And what RB was too polite to include: Sharon’s “withhold” was the sexual favors she was enticing the dumb sap with.
Out of present time? Well, that makes sense since they have not done the SRD.
No one is truly in PT till they have done that. RB have you done the SRD?
I have not done it and sometimes when introducing myself to a stranger I forget my name and I have get my drivers license out.
Great work by TrevAnon and John P. Capitalist keeping up the list. After forty-five years since that day I wandered by direction into the Fifth Avenue mission in New York, I announce to others that these simple words would have kept me out:
Hubbard read most of the occult books that were on the list of forbidden literature that you never got to read in Catholic school. Do yourself a favor and read these books. You will avoid spiritual ruin. Hubbard formulated a bogus religion cut from mostly Theosophic texts. Hubbard was essentially the son of Helena Blavatsky although he would never admit it. In fact, if you just wander a few blocks south, you will find Blavatsky’s apartment which she occupied in the 19th century. Ironically, the failed 5th avenue mission will end in flames in a warehouse not far from it.
Thanks for the positive comment. Just to be clear, TrevAnon and Incredulicide and the rest of the team get the credit for doing all the hard work and for keeping it up for many years. I just published the story, which I thought was worth telling.
I’m only starting to discover the depths of the occult heritage for Hubbard’s works, as well as the degree to which so much of Scientology interactions with the “church” are all about hypnosis/trance states. So thanks for pointing out the Blavatsky/Theosophy connection, which I haven’t read much about.
Off topic: I’m learning a lot lately about hypnosis and how it works. It’s a lot more than just “close your eyes and when I count to three…” I’ve watched a couple of vids of “evangelist” Benny Hinn at work. It’s all about hypnosis, in several forms.
I’m incredibly grateful to Trevor Anon for all the hard work being done.
Then also thank those who originated it.
I have observed that experience in Scientology varies widely. Knowing that Hubbard copied Blavatsky might be a big deal to me personally, but others don’t care. Hubbard set it up to create this big illusion of his talent. Had I seen through him on the first day in 1972, I would have saved a lot of time and money. My work now is to build words that warn of L Ron’s false projections of competence.
@Bixntram
Trance states and group hysteria – Benny Hinn
Pay attention to the order of the services…
Music – lots of it.
Repetitive verses/phrases – lots of them.
Time to get the $.
The rest of the flim flam
Possibly more music and $
10 years prior to ever meeting a scientologist, I had studied and used hypnosis for several years. I never ran across a single item of it in the 16 years I was in. Nor was I asked to apply any. I actually got a lot out of it. However, I do admit that was a long time ago when a very different scio was being applied. What I’ve seen of scio since I left 40 years ago was nothing like what I experienced personally.
If someone has an interest in and knows they are investigating a version of theosophy and occultism then fair enough. Much of the lower Classification and Gradation Chart cross references mainstream psychology. Here’s an old grade chart. I don’t know if the current one is published somewhere.
That grade chart was what hooked me for an additional 12 years as the truth came out little by little that OT VIII was not being delivered: “Cause over matter, energy, space, and time: Both subjective and objective.” Woah! Objective cause! I’m for it!
By 1975 the abilities statements were removed from the charts, and more and more was spent on less and less gains. Good bait though.
What I kept finding when I traced things down (not just from Scientology but the wider New Age ideological milieu) was that most of the beliefs touted as “ancient wisdom” or revelation are re-packaged Blavatsky, Bailey, and/or Crowley. Granted, Hinduism and Buddhism do teach reincarnation, but it’s not as if that’s how that belief entered the Western New Age world. Blavatsky and Bailey invented their imaginary sources (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helena_Blavatsky#Tibet, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djwal_Khul#In_Theosophy_and_the_writings_of_Alice_Bailey), which still goes unacknowledged among their ideological descendants. Later variants were Carlos Castaneda and Lynn Andrews inventing their imaginary Native American sources, with the same level of arrogance, dishonesty, and disrespect for the cultural traditions they were ripping off. At one Lynn Andrews event, an actual native American had her complaints dismissed by a white woman who assured her that it was okay, because they (the white women) all had past lives as Native Americans. Same old, same old.
Shout out to one of our regular commenters TrevAnon and the project he has worked on to make a complete list of people who have publicly spoken out about scientology abuses. John P. Capitalist covers this on his blog this morning. If you are not familiar with this excellent work, check it out here: http://www.johnpcapitalist.com/2018/02/spotlight-on-anonymous-big-list/
I don’t remember referring to any individual as a wog. I might have made a joke here or there about the wog world in general. I figured non scn-ists were pre scn-ists which is still a superior attitude.
I never worried about “they” (the organization) preventing me from doing anything but I was never sea org. I dated a sea org gal for a while. I guess that was okay for her as long as her stats were up. Maybe things changed.
Years ago, probably the late 70’s/early 80’s’ my brother-in-law (before he married my sister) was walking down the street and a woman in a car driving by flashed her breasts and yelled there was a party that night providing when/where. Naturally, my brother-in-law gathered his buddies and they went. The party was actually a Scn recruitment gathering.
It appears their tactics haven’t changed much over the years.
I was in scn until 1982. I might have been at that party! In the 1970s a lot of scn-ists were party animals.
I attended some fun parties in the Hollywood Hills. I even met a couple of celebrities. All for one and one for all. Esprit de corps.
Scn had no prohibition against drinking alcohol other than no alcohol consumption 24 hours before an auditing session. Saturday night was a time to let loose – everybody get foot loose.
Here’s a typical 1970s Scientology party.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTWKbfoikeg
When I read today’s Blog, my first thought was ” Ah, shit! Them two bitches at the org are at it again!”
They really need to be shot! Or is that too extreme?
Uhm. Yeah. That would be too extreme. 😛
Something can be done about it, but I don’t think Mike condones violence. 🙂
Can,t believe that any man with half a brain would go after some woman who he knows is in Scamology , not after everything that has been on the media over the last few years , After learning what I have about Scamology and If I was single ( which I am not and very happily married to a beautiful , wonderful woman that I love so very much ) and had a woman from Scamology romantically approach me ( even if I found out about her cult later on ) I would drop her like the proverbial hot potato and treat her like a lepper with a good dose of the black plague thrown in for good measure .
As for shooting those 2 on the cartoon , line them up one behind the other , don,t waste the ammo .
I never tell anyone I was in. Not that I lie; I just don’t offer the information. Give them the opportunity to get to know me first before sharing that. Let them get grounded in the concept that I’m not a total lunatic before getting into any of that! 🙂 But with the man I’ve been seeing, he googled my name (I guess) shortly after we met, and (I guess) my Scientology cookie cutter thing must have come up because he asked me if I was a Scientologist. I told him I had taken courses that I’d found helpful but that the organization itself is another matter entirely, and no, I was not a Scientologist. That answer apparently satisfied him and didn’t keep him from asking me out. We seem to get along pretty well. He doesn’t ask me questions about my time in Scientology. I don’t grill him about why he got divorced after 30 years. If it works out and we get more serious some day I’ll share with him more personal details as re the cult. For now, its easy does it. Create good stuff in the present, and the future takes care of itself. Something like that. 🙂
Agreed , there were a lot of things that we both kept to ourselves until the relationship grew far enough and both of us could handle it .
Never grilled my wife either why she got divorced from her first husband in the early days of our relationship , just went one step at a time as they say .
These days we can talk about anything and both know about each others history , we treat it as exactly that “past history ” .
He sounds like a good man , hang on to him your on the right track .
Thanks, peterl! Agreed, and will do 🙂
Extreme? Yep.
I’d hate to think that someone would have thought that I was worthy of being shot back when I was doing stupid things in the name of religion.
Okay. Point made. Thanks, everyone.
I know a woman, never marred, about 45, and she is in deep, real deep, in scientology. She keeps trying to get me to set her up with friends or guys I know. It’s actually sad because she is so desperate, and when she has a date, it’s usually just one date and she never hears from the guy again. I told her I don’t know any scientologists and those that I do know are from her group. She told me they don’t need to be in scientology because scientology accepts all people from all religions and never requires them to change. I said bullshit. Can someone like me be a SP even though I have never been in scientology? I’m sure they talk about my SP nature all the time. I just laugh.
L Ron Hubbard once made a comment that there was no such thing as Free Love. I guess in the context of this RB, he was absolutely right.
In my invalidating mood, I am giving away some for free: LOVE LOVE LOVE
(Also, LOVE this RB)
Are you singing that casino song from the 1978 version of Battlestar Galactica?
It’s love, love, love!
It’s love, love, love!
It’s love, love, love, love, love, love!
LOVE! LOVE!
(LOOOOOVVVVEEEEE!)
(crash.shatter.)
With recent social media playing a huge part in the exposure of sexual and other unsavoury conduct, especially of people in positions of power over others, I think Scientology walks a dangerous line of being accused broadly of just that. Sexual innuendo and false personal attraction and “love bombing” with ulterior motives is just as much fraud as trickers or perverts use to fleece their marks.
I think anyone that’s been involved in an Org for any length of time would agree the tactics used to snare a would be Scientologist are subtly if not outright repulsive. It depends on the degree of how aware you are of the scam Scientology actually represents.
It would be in the interests of justice if Scientology’s tactics were better seen for just what they are – they prey on human emotions. Just a cursory look at official Cof$ promo involving young attractive people and to piece together what are their actual background motives, and then reconcile that with the amount of victims there are of the cult. In particular the financial devastation of all its members (except the whales, but they too eventually feel the pinch) but also of the reality Scientology is composed and run by a workforce of underpaid slavery, living in dormitory/barracks like conditions with no personal life of their own. To please their masters is about as high an accomplishment they are permitted.
Scientology’s practice of perverting themselves to justify the result has degraded into a mind boggling insanity. It will never get better, only worse. Leah & Mike’s work has been marvellous in exposing them. Let’s hope it filters out more broadly on this latest frenzy of social response to misconduct of those with power in their professions.
Another good one RB, but this one really shows the attitude a Scientologist has and how they “play” people.
Great comic for the Friday after Valentine’s Day, RB.
Nothing beats the 2D as a tool for cult recruitment. A Twin I had on one of my courses told me, “I would never have married (his wife) if she hadn’t become a Scientologist”.
A wealthy woman I knew (public Scientologist) has been going to Flog for decades so that she can meet a male Scientologist, and she doesn’t care in the least how much money he might have or not have, she’s desperate to meet and marry SOMEBODY – any decent male, who’s in the cult. She has paid for her Bridge TWICE including her OT levels. For various reasons, they’re never going to audit her or train her. I knew this because I knew policy. She didn’t know this, or maybe just didn’t want to know.
The money she has on account at Flog was continually being used up for sec checks, donations, and other cult what-not. Before I left I told her they’ll never audit her and I told her why – its all in the policy. She refused to read it. She brushed me off, saying, “I can’t just walk away. I’m invested”.
She keeps getting enticed by the Flog Reg’ges who dangle the possibility of meeting a nice Scientology man.
They are playing her mercilessly. I tried to wake her up but , well, I tried.
Her family hates Scientology and the cult doesn’t order her to disconnect from them because her money comes from them. .
Flog has gotten an awful lot out of her so far and given back very little, essentially due to her craving for a relationship, which she COULD have outside of the cult, but she doesn’t want that, she wants a Scientologist, and they play that card with her, mercilessly.
Like I said, I tried. The good news is that she’ll never be broke. Her family has a policy of piecing out the money to her. They’ll never give her ALL that’s hers because they KNOW it will go right to the cult.
Oh my… doesn’t that story numb the senses. Tough to see that unfold in front of you hey? But’s that’s Scientology for you.
Aqua, She needs to do the cause resurgence rundown … or do it again , but ultimately there is no “you’re not stupid anymore” pill currently on the market .
That poor woman. Scientology just sucks the life and money out of everyone they touch. The loneliness of those stuck within could so easily be remedied… just walk away. Yet they stay.
This RB made me remember two pieces of advice that were given to me as a young man. They came from very different sources, but both served me well.
Temptation can be severe, but the avoided heartache is well worth it.
1. Don’t date anyone you wouldn’t marry.
2. Never, ever, put your **** in crazy.
Scientology females seemingly get covered by both rules.
Thing is, how do you know you’d want to marry someone if you didn’t date him? or her? Aside from the physical attractions factors, Isn’t it a good idea to get to KNOW someone, to see him or her in MANY different situations, to really have a very good concept of who this person IS,what this person believes, how this person handles the key aspects of his or her own life BEFORE vowing to live with and be faithful to this person for life? Habits? Etc? Not to mention having this person become the mother/father of your children – how does one do this, without dating?
Aqua, you’re completely right here on all points. Kyle obviously has no spirit of adventure . To live fully, one must sometimes boldly risk severe heartache for temptation. (at my age, I find it wise policy to give in to temptation regularly).
Ha Ha, Joe P! Wise policy indeed! As the great Yogi Berra said, “Nothing is over, until its over”.
Does $cientology have enough ‘flirty chicks’ to bring in enough recruits to survive? I didn’t think so.
Years ago my brother walked into the L.A. org and took the personality test. He got bummed out pretty fast. They sicced a cute “flirty chick” on him, but he was having none of it and headed for the door, to a chorus of entreaties to stay. Way to go, bro.
That’s what the Children of God did. Send out hot babes to rope you in.
What’s their phone number?
LOL. I understand the Children of God females actually put out. Something about being a “holy prostitute.” So at least you got a little nooky, not just the promise of same that the “flirty chicks” of $cion give you.
Well… that has a religious curve(s) doesn’t it?
So much for Scio’s “we deliver what we promise.”
“What’s their phone number?” I was thinking the same thing about the woman from a wealthy family Aquamarine mentions above. I speak the language.
(joke)
I once went on a few dates with a woman who was an expert gemstone appraiser. She knew several wealthy women who would consult her before making a gemstone investment.
At about that time Richard Gere was in a movie, I think it was called “American Gigolo”. I jokingly suggested to her that maybe she should “introduce” me to some of her wealthy clients. She took me seriously! Yikes!
gem appraiser – her specialty was diamonds
I started a gemmology course once. Too technical with all the scientific mumbo jumbo & crystallography stuff for my tastes. But one fellow who ran the administration of it was a gem dealer of broad experience. He informed me to treat the gem industry with caution and don’t ask too many questions if you start dealing in expensive stuff. Lot’s of money laundering is done in that business. Stones can be bought and sold that don’t exist etc. Insurance fraud is rife too. Not many business have an aspect where something worth millions fits in the palm of your hand. Synthetics are getting better and better too, which generates & incites fraud. They now make manmade opal which is almost impossible to tell it’s not real.
Way back in the 70’s Asian/Burmese buyers would turn up (smuggled in to country by light planes) at the sapphire fields in central Queensland with a suitcase full of cash and a pistol. They would buy only deep cornflour blue sapphires. Probably passed off as Burmese stones somewhere else in the world. It’s a ‘fun’ industry, lots of James Bond type stuff goes on in it.
Your friend would have probably had a shady side anyway and yes, she would have taken you seriously. You could have missed out playing quite the game with her, if you like a risky, adrenaline type of life.
Richard, she and I have not been in touch for 4 years and who knows what the org people have told her about me (because I’m certain that she must have asked). That said, I’d have no problem per se giving you her number and having her know that you got it from me. On the other hand, this woman is IN the cult and one of their dependable cash cows and I’m an undeclared SP and I’m assuming you haven’t been graced with any goldenrod and are also an undeclared SP. So she’d date you and then like an idiot she’d tell someone IN and Flog would find out about it and bleed even more money out of her – she’s constantly getting ordered down there for sec checking and she’s not even getting audited – a true victim, Richard. I think its because she was born so rich and given everything and that she’s harboring guilt about that…I don’t know, really, but, point being, if not the Scn cult ripping her off, SOMEBODY would be…is my take on her. She’s had a several boyfriends she’s helped and supported who’ve done just that.
Aquamarine and I Yawnalot – Before I got into scn I had considered emigrating to Australia. That would be my preferred adventure over becoming a gigolo – haha
No reason why you can’t have both. As my old sergeant use to say, “got to have a hobby.”
Richard, that’s funny. I very nearly moved to Australia myself. At the time I wanted to get far away from anything and anyone familiar. Long story but I didn’t move there although I did move somewhere else far away. Still haven’t made it to Australia although it has always appealed to me for some reason.
Here is the phone number you requested Iyawn:
1 800 GOT UNOW
Very good, but I’ve had my mind broken. I like getting got!
Sorry, I Yawn. I’m keeping this one!
Well… that’s a flat tire isn’t it?
Do you think “flirty chicks” are anything like Charlie’s “Front Street Girls”? Do you know of any cases where the CO$ management organized some ladies to entice lonely men to join the cult and then have those men place all their money and time and property under the control of the CO$? I would have expected that to be a common recruiting technique. It is certainly highly sexist in that I’ve never heard of using men to entice lonely ladies to join the cult and then have those ladies place all their money and time and property under the control of the CO$. But, although it seems fairly common to use ladies to seduce and control men, it just doesn’t seem to work the other way around. Highly sexist? Or is that just the way of the world?
Skyler, in answer to your question, watch an old film called, “The Heiress”. It won an for Oscar best picture of 1949 I believe. It was much nominated, that I know. Olivia DeHaviland, Montgomery Clift and Ralph Richardson. A superb film, based on the novella “Washington Square” by Henry James. Fortune hunting, mind control and so forth as re the opposite sex has been going on for eons down the ages and has always been an Equal Opportunity activity!
I have seen that film and found it to be very powerful. I enjoyed it very much. I can’t argue with any of the points you have made. I must admit that you are definitely correct about fortune hunting and mind control. It was an excellent film to be sure.
How come blue shirt calls his friend Marvin in panel 2 and Melvin in panel 3? And in the last panel Marvin?
Well, whaddya want from a Regraded Being? And what RB was too polite to include: Sharon’s “withhold” was the sexual favors she was enticing the dumb sap with.
He’s Out PT.
Out of present time? Well, that makes sense since they have not done the SRD.
No one is truly in PT till they have done that. RB have you done the SRD?
I have not done it and sometimes when introducing myself to a stranger I forget my name and I have get my drivers license out.
BK, it’s body thetans causing all the problems.
The male or female ones?
(Oh sorry… that’s the topic of the other day, silly me).
OSD stop blaming BTs. Don’t you know, “you are responsible for your own condition.”
Great work by TrevAnon and John P. Capitalist keeping up the list. After forty-five years since that day I wandered by direction into the Fifth Avenue mission in New York, I announce to others that these simple words would have kept me out:
Hubbard read most of the occult books that were on the list of forbidden literature that you never got to read in Catholic school. Do yourself a favor and read these books. You will avoid spiritual ruin. Hubbard formulated a bogus religion cut from mostly Theosophic texts. Hubbard was essentially the son of Helena Blavatsky although he would never admit it. In fact, if you just wander a few blocks south, you will find Blavatsky’s apartment which she occupied in the 19th century. Ironically, the failed 5th avenue mission will end in flames in a warehouse not far from it.
Thanks for the positive comment. Just to be clear, TrevAnon and Incredulicide and the rest of the team get the credit for doing all the hard work and for keeping it up for many years. I just published the story, which I thought was worth telling.
I’m only starting to discover the depths of the occult heritage for Hubbard’s works, as well as the degree to which so much of Scientology interactions with the “church” are all about hypnosis/trance states. So thanks for pointing out the Blavatsky/Theosophy connection, which I haven’t read much about.
Off topic: I’m learning a lot lately about hypnosis and how it works. It’s a lot more than just “close your eyes and when I count to three…” I’ve watched a couple of vids of “evangelist” Benny Hinn at work. It’s all about hypnosis, in several forms.
I’m incredibly grateful to Trevor Anon for all the hard work being done.
Please note the big list is an anonymous project. By no means I did it alone, and it also wasn’t my idea. 🙂
I am a regular contributor though.
Then also thank those who originated it.
I have observed that experience in Scientology varies widely. Knowing that Hubbard copied Blavatsky might be a big deal to me personally, but others don’t care. Hubbard set it up to create this big illusion of his talent. Had I seen through him on the first day in 1972, I would have saved a lot of time and money. My work now is to build words that warn of L Ron’s false projections of competence.
@Bixntram
Trance states and group hysteria – Benny Hinn
Pay attention to the order of the services…
Music – lots of it.
Repetitive verses/phrases – lots of them.
Time to get the $.
The rest of the flim flam
Possibly more music and $
10 years prior to ever meeting a scientologist, I had studied and used hypnosis for several years. I never ran across a single item of it in the 16 years I was in. Nor was I asked to apply any. I actually got a lot out of it. However, I do admit that was a long time ago when a very different scio was being applied. What I’ve seen of scio since I left 40 years ago was nothing like what I experienced personally.
If someone has an interest in and knows they are investigating a version of theosophy and occultism then fair enough. Much of the lower Classification and Gradation Chart cross references mainstream psychology. Here’s an old grade chart. I don’t know if the current one is published somewhere.
https://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~288971~90060483:Text–Classification-Gradation-and
Yep Richard,
That grade chart was what hooked me for an additional 12 years as the truth came out little by little that OT VIII was not being delivered: “Cause over matter, energy, space, and time: Both subjective and objective.” Woah! Objective cause! I’m for it!
By 1975 the abilities statements were removed from the charts, and more and more was spent on less and less gains. Good bait though.
“the Blavatsky/Theosophy connection”
What I kept finding when I traced things down (not just from Scientology but the wider New Age ideological milieu) was that most of the beliefs touted as “ancient wisdom” or revelation are re-packaged Blavatsky, Bailey, and/or Crowley. Granted, Hinduism and Buddhism do teach reincarnation, but it’s not as if that’s how that belief entered the Western New Age world. Blavatsky and Bailey invented their imaginary sources (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helena_Blavatsky#Tibet, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djwal_Khul#In_Theosophy_and_the_writings_of_Alice_Bailey), which still goes unacknowledged among their ideological descendants. Later variants were Carlos Castaneda and Lynn Andrews inventing their imaginary Native American sources, with the same level of arrogance, dishonesty, and disrespect for the cultural traditions they were ripping off. At one Lynn Andrews event, an actual native American had her complaints dismissed by a white woman who assured her that it was okay, because they (the white women) all had past lives as Native Americans. Same old, same old.
Shout out to one of our regular commenters TrevAnon and the project he has worked on to make a complete list of people who have publicly spoken out about scientology abuses. John P. Capitalist covers this on his blog this morning. If you are not familiar with this excellent work, check it out here: http://www.johnpcapitalist.com/2018/02/spotlight-on-anonymous-big-list/
WOOT! Thanks Mike. 🙂
What is a WOOT? A small furry animal?
LOL. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=woot
World Organisation of Organised Thetans maybe…
Thanks Trev!
Great work! Atty. Hayes needs a reality check!