Thinking about the topic of this, I do wonder ho much Scientology is slowly and subtly being undermined by the fact that it’s based on a fundamental premise of reincarnation so specific that it can be falsified – and which is in fact turning out to be false. Old-timers, in particular, are apparently being motivated to try to make a final push (and expenditure) to go up the bridge as far as they can, so that they avoid the sort of purgatory of being “implanted” between lives, and can come back to a new (reincarnated) life “in better shape” – and yet no one from the earlier days of Scientology, who should be showing back up at the orgs, and who some of the long-term members even actually knew, are in evidence.
On the one hand, the post the other day from the woman who lives in an LA suburb where there are maybe a couple of dozen scientologists, but is apparently convinced that some large portion of the population are members, is evidence that those who remain in Scientology aren’t thinking analytically or critically, and unable to do a reality check by looking clearly at the world around them. But on the other hand, old-timers especially were brought up with such specific expectations, reinforced by accounts in Scientology publications, that phenomenon were real, that it’s hard to imagine that members don’t have some level of underlying disappointment and even disillusionment, that there is no evidence of the fulfillment of what they have been lead to believe so specifically in.
Naw Peacemaker it has been failing ever since people started wondering about the very specific and very objective abilities Hubtard said people would gain on the lower Bridge. These have been being falsified since Day 1.
Okay, the Sea Org is now fifty years old. Surely some of its original members have dropped their bodies by now. Any teens out there shouting ” Hey! I was in Scientology in my past life! I was a Commander in the Sea Org! How do I get back on board?!”.
That in itself would validate ‘Revenimus ‘.
I’ve always wondered if young people have walked in voluntarily to join up in the Sea Org, saying something like, “My name is (current life name). Well, here I am. I’m back. When I dropped my body 21(or however many) years ago I was (past life name) and my post in the Sea Org was (past life SO post). I promised I’d come back and rejoin and here I am.”
Now, as sometimes happens when reading and posting here, I’m not in Default Cult J & D Sarcastic Mode right now…so, seriously, does anyone here know if this has ever happened?
Or, would it be impossible to know if this has ever happened because this kind of information would be considered “confidential”, with the returnee not allowed to tell anyone except the SO recruiter, or a few other select SO people?
My friend is was Clear from a previous life and they let him skip many steps below the OTLevels. He said he discovered this during some initial auditing.
Did he discover what his name was, or anything remotely useful to help verify his past life (other than his therapeutic status within a religious cult?)
No such details. I did ask if he did the research on the previous person, but he changed the subject pretty fast. He knew if he gave me the name I would have looked it up. Interesting enough he told me he was always a man for all him lifetimes and never wanted to be a woman. I told him that was too bad 🙂
Mary, that sounds like it was probably back around the time when I was declared a “clear” of one sort or another. Typically for Scientology, at one point a bunch of people were given such designations out of a mix of misguided enthusiasm, and cynical gaming of the system to get people hooked on more expensive services – and then it was suddenly declared to have all been a mistake, and an end was put to it (though, again, typically, in many cases, because it would have caused too much of an inconvenient “flap” with paying customers, the certifications that had already been granted weren’t actually withdrawn).
Where are all the former BTs? There should be hundreds of millions of people showing up, ready for the rest of their Bridge. Hubbard said they would come back to the orgs, that they’d “join the team.” Where are they? It’s so strange.
jim, as a slave worker at the Int Base from 1983 to 2004 I have to say there is no simple answer to your question. Hubbard said in one of his many “advices” (orders) that “there is no RPF there”. So officially there was never an RPF at the Int Base.
But you hear a lot from folks who say they were on the RPF at the Int Base – mostly these are people who were on the RPF at the Hidden Valley Ranch, also called “Happy Valley” and who often worked at the Int Base. Happy Valley was sold back to the Soboba Indians around 2000.
I was on the RPF at the Big Blue and was transferred to the RPF at Happy Valley so I could work on renovations. So it happens.
But far more often the folks at the Int Base who are in trouble are “on the decks” (meaning they are doing demeaning work that would normally be done on a ship by deck workers), “doing conditions”, “on a program” and so on. Just as RB says in the strip. Not an official RPF, just a degraded condition and often isolation from the rest of the crew.
There is a large area that is now razed that used to be called the “Old Gilman House” area, including the “Maintenance Man’s House”. At one point it was fenced in and had additional shipping containers. Some of these had records stored in them, some were used as living quarters for “those on the Decks”. Maureen Bolstad’s horrible story happened there. Early on there was a horse corral and a greenhouse in that area, north of Gilman Springs Road before you get to the Int Base main property. With the Castle on your right. Nothing but dirt there now, and the backup generator for the base.
I think at one point there were somewhere around 100 people confined there, but it wasn’t an RPF. Just folks in trouble trying to get back in good standing. Mostly on orders from Miscavige.
This was all before the establishment of the “Suppressive Person Hole” in the double-wide trailers. Another version of the same idea, folks that were in trouble trying to get themselves straight. While being held in horrible conditions. But again, not an RPF.
The RPF would actually be a vast improvement from these ad hoc “on the decks” assignments. In the RPF you get food, sleep, five hours a day to do a program that actually has an end point (though few reach it). You can demand a Committee of Evidence if you think you are RPF’ed unjustly. If you are not making it in the RPF you can demand a Fitness Board that can find you unfit for the Sea Org (as if anyone was!) and they will let you go. There are staff who are supposed to make the RPF work, though of course many abuses and breaches of the rules go on. Still it is better than being stuck in the Hole for decades.
Possibly the Hole has been improved, but its denizens have not been freed. So I am sure the practice of degrading and isolating some personnel has continued in some form. I don’t know what has happened since I left in 2004 but I doubt that it has become a worker’s paradise.
Sobering RB, they actually think like that. The actuality of working as a member of the Cof$ is like playing a role in a totally bizarre fairy-tale nightmare that follows you into and then out of the grave, over and over for a billion years.
Believing in that bullshit is akin to walking in dog shit which never washes off & the smell attaches itself to you forever.
Fuck, wow RB you are really getting me going now. I was supposed to return to duty “As soon as possible next lifetime” according.to my then wife who was still on the Freewinds being held prisoner while they waited for me to die of untreated AIDS I received from blood products in 1989 in Curacao, their home port. They somehow took mercy on my wife, the poor widow, and allowed her to virtually write the FB issue. IJC apparently removed the “next lifetime” part for reasons unknown. This was a major blow to me.
To be at least recognized for giving my life to the cause was something but to deprive me of that was not cool. But to then find out that there was no good reason for me to die in the first place was a real eye-opener. If they had just allowed me to take the free meds I could get, I would have been fine. This would have saved them a lot of money as a year after they sent me off to die, Generator #2 had a fried crankshaft and bearings and block after it had run flawlessly for 15 years after I rebuilt it in 1987. They just could not give a fuck about me or my wife after all of the years of service we had given the SO. It would have not cost them a penny to save me but they preferred to put me in a grave and hold my wife prisoner. But they failed to complete their cycle of action and I am still alive 16 years later. Oh you poor dumb asses. You should have gotten your product ( my death) before Thursday at 2PM. Now it is going to cost you. But I will be a good sport about it. The HIV destroyed part of the electrical system of my heart. Now I have a pacemaker. It is working very well. You should get one of you many hackers OSA has on retainer and hack into it and finish me off. It would be less spineless then what you have shown so far.
Dead Men, I hope you tell your story publicly some day, in some way, and MAKE A LOT OF MONEY on it! Not that I’m saying that you care about making money on it, just that it would be so FITTING and such terrific slap in the eye to the Dwarf that you not only survived and became viably healthy again – which of itself is a huge and satisfying outcome after having been given up for dead – but that you would also PROFIT monetarily from this experience; this would be so very galling to the Dwarf!
Dead men Bill Strauss, would somebody please make a movie of your life? You are an inspiration. It would be amazing to see your sufferings juxtaposed with those assholes Miscavige and Cruise, supping on fine china and clean linen on their fucking fantasy boat. Seriously, FUCK THEM.
NuEspecially since their “fucking fantasy boat” probably would not still be afloat except for the many years of work myself and others put into it, while knowing (myself at least) that all we had to look forward to was agony and a slow, painful death. I was very naive and thought foolishly that they would be grateful for the hundreds (even thousands) of all-nighters keeping it going. I have been disabusedof that idea now.
Mike, I want to thank you for recommending the Netflix series “Wild Wild Country. I sat down and six hours later was in shock. Mainly that it happened in the 1980’s when I was in my mid 30’s and forgot as much as I did, and sick that we never helped. Everybody needs to watch it carefully. A cult in Oregon that took over a town, tried to take over the county and state. Murder, poisoning, extortion are just a few of what they did. A couple of people stayed the course and beat them. How much better we should be doing on the cult today. Thanks Leah and Mike for your work.
The documentary apparently still only tells a particular side of the story, that in the end lays most of the blame for abuses on just a couple of figures – in a way so favorable overall, that it’s been endorsed by remaining members and loyalists of the guru, which I’d say is a sign that it’s not critical enough. I appreciate that they wanted to given an idea of what the experience was like for the large number of regular members who were not caught up in the worst of what on – I knew some of those people, myself – but I think that here, if anywhere, we know that there are indeed serious questions about just how complicit and involved in minor abuses many of the rank and file members of a high control group or cult, actually are.
I think that as a complement to watching the documentary, it’s important to also read this piece by a woman who was had an inside role from early on, who the filmmakers failed to interview or even contact, even though she has written a book about her experiences:
Interestingly, her daughter has also written a piece from her own perspective – which sounds much like the accounts of kids who had parents caught up in Scientology:
My Mom Left Me for the ‘Wild Wild Country’ Cult
“When Patti Safian was eight years old, her mother joined the Rajneeshees, the controversial religious sect at the center of the new Netflix docuseries ‘Wild Wild Country.’ The story of an Indian guru and his free-sex disciples overtaking a rural town in Oregon? Stranger than fiction. Stranger yet? When that story is an inextricable part of your own personal history.” https://www.glamour.com/story/my-mom-left-me-to-join-wild-wild-country-cult
Thank you for the reply. I first read that things were left out of the Netflix series but have not started looking for them as only watched yesterday. Will definitely search all you sent. I just wonder how much we all will never learn of that cult or even the cult of scientology. These abuses need to be researched and done away with. Unfortunately each additional day of abuse is one more day too many. Thanks for the additional information. Dave
David, I’m not sure we will ever to be able to get rid of destructive cults. I believe education is the answer. There is good headway being made in positive Phychology and per a talk given at Friends House London Action for Happiness Martin Seligman talks about how children all around the world are being taught to think for themselves and given tools they can use to do so. There is hope. I was in Scientology 40 years and have only in the last 4 years learned this. My problems didn’t start with Scientology – I wasn’t thinking for my self before that either.
The fundamental problem is that it is very hard to draw a hard and fast line that people will agree on. I’ve run into atheists who think that all religion is a cult. Religious tolerance is a good thing generally so people can live together in a nation.
I think the most important thing to do is to give your children a solid foundation in your religious teachings or your philosophy, and explain what are the warning signs of a cult. When I was in a group (Local Church) that is often called a cult, I realized that although it was odd, when I left, there was no harassment. There was no real social control. More to the point, as a Christian I could feel that we were on the same page theologically.
This is great! I was just wondering what happened to those who passed before the planet was cleared, if they still had to donate money, if the big donors got credit for what they donated before they jumped the body of a baby mama and do they get to choose their new mother, or do they just have to take the next one available.
Quite a conundrum. Did LRH have that covered in one of his policies?
Of course Hubbard talked/wrote about death and returning. Shallowly and without feeling IMO. Does’nt this make you warm and confident?
eg; This from Senior C/S FSO
1) DAILY: Touch assist, nerve assist, body comm, locational, havingness, and run ‘keep it from going away’.
2) Do a Hat write up of all of your posts
3) Pick out a familiar place to appear in after discarding this body.
If Serge(?) and other reports are true then it would appear that Hubbard did none of these things while dying in hiding in his Bluebird mobile trailer. mmmmm.
Well of course that makes me feel all warm and confident. Just so unfortunate for me that I missed out on all the fun (dagnabbit!). Thank you for the cliff notes on how all that works Jim. 🙂
And the running commentary sounds so very lifelike coming from these uneducated suckers, given the unstable information with which they’re force fed. Helpless and hopeless.
I’ve kept this a secret for a very long time. Ok… here it is: I’m from Target 2. In 1953, I jumped into a baby’s body. I had full perception. I was out of body.
So, yes…..I’m the one. I’ll teach what I know. You’ll have Super Powers, like me.
Thinking about the topic of this, I do wonder ho much Scientology is slowly and subtly being undermined by the fact that it’s based on a fundamental premise of reincarnation so specific that it can be falsified – and which is in fact turning out to be false. Old-timers, in particular, are apparently being motivated to try to make a final push (and expenditure) to go up the bridge as far as they can, so that they avoid the sort of purgatory of being “implanted” between lives, and can come back to a new (reincarnated) life “in better shape” – and yet no one from the earlier days of Scientology, who should be showing back up at the orgs, and who some of the long-term members even actually knew, are in evidence.
On the one hand, the post the other day from the woman who lives in an LA suburb where there are maybe a couple of dozen scientologists, but is apparently convinced that some large portion of the population are members, is evidence that those who remain in Scientology aren’t thinking analytically or critically, and unable to do a reality check by looking clearly at the world around them. But on the other hand, old-timers especially were brought up with such specific expectations, reinforced by accounts in Scientology publications, that phenomenon were real, that it’s hard to imagine that members don’t have some level of underlying disappointment and even disillusionment, that there is no evidence of the fulfillment of what they have been lead to believe so specifically in.
Naw Peacemaker it has been failing ever since people started wondering about the very specific and very objective abilities Hubtard said people would gain on the lower Bridge. These have been being falsified since Day 1.
Hey Miscavige, did you see the outcome of the Bill Cosby trial?
Unlike Bill, you DO INDEED have a private plane, asshole.
I’m sorry, Cat Daddy! My bad! I put your Billion Year Contract in my pocket and lost it. Sorry…
I seem to have misplaced my billion years somewhere…..
Okay, the Sea Org is now fifty years old. Surely some of its original members have dropped their bodies by now. Any teens out there shouting ” Hey! I was in Scientology in my past life! I was a Commander in the Sea Org! How do I get back on board?!”.
That in itself would validate ‘Revenimus ‘.
I’ve always wondered if young people have walked in voluntarily to join up in the Sea Org, saying something like, “My name is (current life name). Well, here I am. I’m back. When I dropped my body 21(or however many) years ago I was (past life name) and my post in the Sea Org was (past life SO post). I promised I’d come back and rejoin and here I am.”
Now, as sometimes happens when reading and posting here, I’m not in Default Cult J & D Sarcastic Mode right now…so, seriously, does anyone here know if this has ever happened?
Or, would it be impossible to know if this has ever happened because this kind of information would be considered “confidential”, with the returnee not allowed to tell anyone except the SO recruiter, or a few other select SO people?
It’s never happened. If it had there would be a big splash made out if as a validation if the tech, probably a Movie of the Week on the CSN.
My friend is was Clear from a previous life and they let him skip many steps below the OTLevels. He said he discovered this during some initial auditing.
Did he discover what his name was, or anything remotely useful to help verify his past life (other than his therapeutic status within a religious cult?)
No such details. I did ask if he did the research on the previous person, but he changed the subject pretty fast. He knew if he gave me the name I would have looked it up. Interesting enough he told me he was always a man for all him lifetimes and never wanted to be a woman. I told him that was too bad 🙂
Mary, that sounds like it was probably back around the time when I was declared a “clear” of one sort or another. Typically for Scientology, at one point a bunch of people were given such designations out of a mix of misguided enthusiasm, and cynical gaming of the system to get people hooked on more expensive services – and then it was suddenly declared to have all been a mistake, and an end was put to it (though, again, typically, in many cases, because it would have caused too much of an inconvenient “flap” with paying customers, the certifications that had already been granted weren’t actually withdrawn).
This sounds correct. After OT8 he had to go back and redo the purif and SRD anyway.
Where are all the former BTs? There should be hundreds of millions of people showing up, ready for the rest of their Bridge. Hubbard said they would come back to the orgs, that they’d “join the team.” Where are they? It’s so strange.
Ok, just one more billion-year contract. But after that, that’s it, I’m done.
Well, let’s give him a 2 Billion year contract and see if he can find his way home.
🙂 Chris and OSD.
With emphasis on the ‘O’.
So Newcomer,
You are telling us that the RPF at Hemet, with the trailers, got disbanded and the current SO and staffers redesignated as worldwide RPF?
It did indeed get disbanded.
“It did indeed get disbanded”.
Enquiring minds want to know how you know this. Please, pretty please?
That said, if you must protect your sources, I’ll understand. (Sigh).
SOB told me himself. And he wouldn’t lie….would he?
jim, as a slave worker at the Int Base from 1983 to 2004 I have to say there is no simple answer to your question. Hubbard said in one of his many “advices” (orders) that “there is no RPF there”. So officially there was never an RPF at the Int Base.
But you hear a lot from folks who say they were on the RPF at the Int Base – mostly these are people who were on the RPF at the Hidden Valley Ranch, also called “Happy Valley” and who often worked at the Int Base. Happy Valley was sold back to the Soboba Indians around 2000.
I was on the RPF at the Big Blue and was transferred to the RPF at Happy Valley so I could work on renovations. So it happens.
But far more often the folks at the Int Base who are in trouble are “on the decks” (meaning they are doing demeaning work that would normally be done on a ship by deck workers), “doing conditions”, “on a program” and so on. Just as RB says in the strip. Not an official RPF, just a degraded condition and often isolation from the rest of the crew.
There is a large area that is now razed that used to be called the “Old Gilman House” area, including the “Maintenance Man’s House”. At one point it was fenced in and had additional shipping containers. Some of these had records stored in them, some were used as living quarters for “those on the Decks”. Maureen Bolstad’s horrible story happened there. Early on there was a horse corral and a greenhouse in that area, north of Gilman Springs Road before you get to the Int Base main property. With the Castle on your right. Nothing but dirt there now, and the backup generator for the base.
I think at one point there were somewhere around 100 people confined there, but it wasn’t an RPF. Just folks in trouble trying to get back in good standing. Mostly on orders from Miscavige.
This was all before the establishment of the “Suppressive Person Hole” in the double-wide trailers. Another version of the same idea, folks that were in trouble trying to get themselves straight. While being held in horrible conditions. But again, not an RPF.
The RPF would actually be a vast improvement from these ad hoc “on the decks” assignments. In the RPF you get food, sleep, five hours a day to do a program that actually has an end point (though few reach it). You can demand a Committee of Evidence if you think you are RPF’ed unjustly. If you are not making it in the RPF you can demand a Fitness Board that can find you unfit for the Sea Org (as if anyone was!) and they will let you go. There are staff who are supposed to make the RPF work, though of course many abuses and breaches of the rules go on. Still it is better than being stuck in the Hole for decades.
Possibly the Hole has been improved, but its denizens have not been freed. So I am sure the practice of degrading and isolating some personnel has continued in some form. I don’t know what has happened since I left in 2004 but I doubt that it has become a worker’s paradise.
Bruce,
Wow. Thanks for the detailed accounting. Sorry you went through all that. Hopefully dave will get an equivalent karma experience.
Sobering RB, they actually think like that. The actuality of working as a member of the Cof$ is like playing a role in a totally bizarre fairy-tale nightmare that follows you into and then out of the grave, over and over for a billion years.
Believing in that bullshit is akin to walking in dog shit which never washes off & the smell attaches itself to you forever.
Fuck, wow RB you are really getting me going now. I was supposed to return to duty “As soon as possible next lifetime” according.to my then wife who was still on the Freewinds being held prisoner while they waited for me to die of untreated AIDS I received from blood products in 1989 in Curacao, their home port. They somehow took mercy on my wife, the poor widow, and allowed her to virtually write the FB issue. IJC apparently removed the “next lifetime” part for reasons unknown. This was a major blow to me.
To be at least recognized for giving my life to the cause was something but to deprive me of that was not cool. But to then find out that there was no good reason for me to die in the first place was a real eye-opener. If they had just allowed me to take the free meds I could get, I would have been fine. This would have saved them a lot of money as a year after they sent me off to die, Generator #2 had a fried crankshaft and bearings and block after it had run flawlessly for 15 years after I rebuilt it in 1987. They just could not give a fuck about me or my wife after all of the years of service we had given the SO. It would have not cost them a penny to save me but they preferred to put me in a grave and hold my wife prisoner. But they failed to complete their cycle of action and I am still alive 16 years later. Oh you poor dumb asses. You should have gotten your product ( my death) before Thursday at 2PM. Now it is going to cost you. But I will be a good sport about it. The HIV destroyed part of the electrical system of my heart. Now I have a pacemaker. It is working very well. You should get one of you many hackers OSA has on retainer and hack into it and finish me off. It would be less spineless then what you have shown so far.
Dead Men, I hope you tell your story publicly some day, in some way, and MAKE A LOT OF MONEY on it! Not that I’m saying that you care about making money on it, just that it would be so FITTING and such terrific slap in the eye to the Dwarf that you not only survived and became viably healthy again – which of itself is a huge and satisfying outcome after having been given up for dead – but that you would also PROFIT monetarily from this experience; this would be so very galling to the Dwarf!
Thank you, Aquamarine, for your comment.
Dead men Bill Strauss, would somebody please make a movie of your life? You are an inspiration. It would be amazing to see your sufferings juxtaposed with those assholes Miscavige and Cruise, supping on fine china and clean linen on their fucking fantasy boat. Seriously, FUCK THEM.
You can’t hide from this stuff, Cruise.
NuEspecially since their “fucking fantasy boat” probably would not still be afloat except for the many years of work myself and others put into it, while knowing (myself at least) that all we had to look forward to was agony and a slow, painful death. I was very naive and thought foolishly that they would be grateful for the hundreds (even thousands) of all-nighters keeping it going. I have been disabusedof that idea now.
A soldier’s life is more sentimental than physical. That’s the cost of surviving it.
Mike, I want to thank you for recommending the Netflix series “Wild Wild Country. I sat down and six hours later was in shock. Mainly that it happened in the 1980’s when I was in my mid 30’s and forgot as much as I did, and sick that we never helped. Everybody needs to watch it carefully. A cult in Oregon that took over a town, tried to take over the county and state. Murder, poisoning, extortion are just a few of what they did. A couple of people stayed the course and beat them. How much better we should be doing on the cult today. Thanks Leah and Mike for your work.
The documentary apparently still only tells a particular side of the story, that in the end lays most of the blame for abuses on just a couple of figures – in a way so favorable overall, that it’s been endorsed by remaining members and loyalists of the guru, which I’d say is a sign that it’s not critical enough. I appreciate that they wanted to given an idea of what the experience was like for the large number of regular members who were not caught up in the worst of what on – I knew some of those people, myself – but I think that here, if anywhere, we know that there are indeed serious questions about just how complicit and involved in minor abuses many of the rank and file members of a high control group or cult, actually are.
I think that as a complement to watching the documentary, it’s important to also read this piece by a woman who was had an inside role from early on, who the filmmakers failed to interview or even contact, even though she has written a book about her experiences:
‘Wild Wild Country’: A Rajneeshee Cult Insider on the Horrors the Netflix Series Left Out
“Satya Franklin was a close friend of Bhagwan and Sheela, and lived at Rajneeshpuram. She writes about the many things—sterilization, disconnecting from families—the doc left out.”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/wild-wild-country-a-rajneeshee-cult-insider-on-the-horrors-the-netflix-series-left-out
Interestingly, her daughter has also written a piece from her own perspective – which sounds much like the accounts of kids who had parents caught up in Scientology:
My Mom Left Me for the ‘Wild Wild Country’ Cult
“When Patti Safian was eight years old, her mother joined the Rajneeshees, the controversial religious sect at the center of the new Netflix docuseries ‘Wild Wild Country.’ The story of an Indian guru and his free-sex disciples overtaking a rural town in Oregon? Stranger than fiction. Stranger yet? When that story is an inextricable part of your own personal history.”
https://www.glamour.com/story/my-mom-left-me-to-join-wild-wild-country-cult
Thank you for the reply. I first read that things were left out of the Netflix series but have not started looking for them as only watched yesterday. Will definitely search all you sent. I just wonder how much we all will never learn of that cult or even the cult of scientology. These abuses need to be researched and done away with. Unfortunately each additional day of abuse is one more day too many. Thanks for the additional information. Dave
David, I’m not sure we will ever to be able to get rid of destructive cults. I believe education is the answer. There is good headway being made in positive Phychology and per a talk given at Friends House London Action for Happiness Martin Seligman talks about how children all around the world are being taught to think for themselves and given tools they can use to do so. There is hope. I was in Scientology 40 years and have only in the last 4 years learned this. My problems didn’t start with Scientology – I wasn’t thinking for my self before that either.
The fundamental problem is that it is very hard to draw a hard and fast line that people will agree on. I’ve run into atheists who think that all religion is a cult. Religious tolerance is a good thing generally so people can live together in a nation.
I think the most important thing to do is to give your children a solid foundation in your religious teachings or your philosophy, and explain what are the warning signs of a cult. When I was in a group (Local Church) that is often called a cult, I realized that although it was odd, when I left, there was no harassment. There was no real social control. More to the point, as a Christian I could feel that we were on the same page theologically.
This is great! I was just wondering what happened to those who passed before the planet was cleared, if they still had to donate money, if the big donors got credit for what they donated before they jumped the body of a baby mama and do they get to choose their new mother, or do they just have to take the next one available.
Quite a conundrum. Did LRH have that covered in one of his policies?
Peggy ,
Of course Hubbard talked/wrote about death and returning. Shallowly and without feeling IMO. Does’nt this make you warm and confident?
eg; This from Senior C/S FSO
1) DAILY: Touch assist, nerve assist, body comm, locational, havingness, and run ‘keep it from going away’.
2) Do a Hat write up of all of your posts
3) Pick out a familiar place to appear in after discarding this body.
If Serge(?) and other reports are true then it would appear that Hubbard did none of these things while dying in hiding in his Bluebird mobile trailer. mmmmm.
Well of course that makes me feel all warm and confident. Just so unfortunate for me that I missed out on all the fun (dagnabbit!). Thank you for the cliff notes on how all that works Jim. 🙂
And the running commentary sounds so very lifelike coming from these uneducated suckers, given the unstable information with which they’re force fed. Helpless and hopeless.
LOL, from RPF to SDEP (Self Determined Ethics Program)!
I was self determined once. But my other self thought I was stupid.
You sure you looked close enough?
Damn sure!
Thanks RB.Past life RPF. Hilarious!
LOL Plenty of those around, I’m sure. 🙂
That’s where Dave came from. The cherch is a this life RPF for everyone still in.
I’ve kept this a secret for a very long time. Ok… here it is: I’m from Target 2. In 1953, I jumped into a baby’s body. I had full perception. I was out of body.
So, yes…..I’m the one. I’ll teach what I know. You’ll have Super Powers, like me.
Is having $cientology Super Powers essentially the same thing as uncontrollable flatulence?
One in the same! You win the prize! It’s a trip to Target 2!
As far as earth is concerned, all returns are accepted.
Umm; does opening a can of beer with your big toe really count as a Super Power OSD?