To attest to Clear,
you must realize you
have been mocking up
your own Reactive Mind,
all along, & that you’re
no longer doing that.
. . .
The Clear Cognition !
Dave F.! I was hoping you were selling them. ☺. Maybe Mike and Leah will make some up to go with the “Don’t be Culty” sweatshirts! (Or maybe someone else out there?). They are so cool. Great design job.
Whatareyourcrimes, I was being lighthearted. In all seriousness I completely agree! Obsession and addiction to anything usually ends badly. Moderation in everything!
The New York Times calls it “the best musical of this century.” The Washington Post says, “It is the kind of evening that restores your faith in musicals.” And Entertainment Weekly says, “Grade A: The funniest musical of all time.” Jimmy Fallon of The Tonight Show calls it “Genius. Brilliant. Phenomenal.” It’s THE BOOK OF SCIENTOLOGY, the nine-time Tony Award®-winning Best Musical. This outrageous musical comedy follows the misadventures of a mismatched pair of Scientologists, sent halfway across the world to spread the Word of the wacky L Ron Hubbard, founder of the religious tax-dodge-scam-cult. Now with standing room only productions in London, on Broadway, and across North America, THE BOOK OF SCIENTOLOGY has truly become an international sensation. Contains explicit language. For more information, visit bookofscientologythemusical.com.
Good question Chee Chalker. We should have some of the UTR’s on Mike’s site go to see this video (again) and see if Marty is given any credit or if he has been removed entirely. Come on you UTR’s take one for the team!
There is no question, that hall will be filled with secret UTRs, all of them very good actors. Chew on that truth, Miscavige. You are surrounded by SPs.
You know what’s sad, Rick? When they declare bankruptcy, they’ll be proud of it. They’ll even brag to the other KA drinkers about going bankrupt so that they could donate the money to the cult. And the cult will give them so plaque or pin or some other bullshit and tell them what “Big Beings” they are. They’ll feel all puffed up and important about it.
I speak from my own, direct, observations of cult people I knew. Anecdotal, I grant you. But true, and very sad, how hoodwinked, how utterly and completely conned these Culties were. George Orwell could have used this material.
It’s time to report actual conditions of members who lie to others on how Scientology works for real
Members hide the truth
Especially to themselves!
Here are some St Louis Scientologists that declared bankruptcy after donating a ton of money to Scientology:
Byron E Jones and Amy N Jones
Byron goes by Ronnie
They are still drinking the koolaid
Richard and Kerry Andrews (Rick
Richard is OT
Kerry is Clear and lead auditor
Still drinking the koolaid
______________________________
Some Scientologists who lost homes to the bank foreclosure
after donating money to Scientology:
Michael and Katy Jenne
Michael went Clear and then got glasses
Richard and Kerry Andrews
Jason and Athena Parker
Athena was in Sea Org and OT
Jason allegedly bragged about getting out of paying a huge hospital bill after becoming a “Himanitarian” to the St Louis Ideal Org
Sandy and Robin Adair – OT 8’s
Wil and Rachel Wilkinson
Rachel committed suicide after getting kicked out of the church during the foreclosure process
Amazing to see real names and short stories like this…
And every city where the Cult has an org or mission will have the same kind of stories = Thousands of people over the decades.
Is there any collection /site / place of info re the above?
I hope so too. I’m working on someone by feeding information to get them to look but so far, no luck. It seems deeply ingrained, but I’ve gotta keep at it I think Ann.
Here’s hoping! I think it’s so important to keep the conversation going daily. On this blog and elsewhere. So keep trying. You never know when it could be that day. It does happen. I’m with you on keeping on trying my friend!
Hello, Chris Shelton has an excellent You Tube video explaining how to be there for one whom is questioning, and most importantly how to ease the conversation on getting them to actually look with their eyes open. Visit his channel and look for the video.
Marty’s written ten CSWs to COB to be put back in the video but so far they’ve all been rejected. I believe he’s planning on getting Squirrel Busters going again to get back in Dave’s good graces.
Oh. I felt he sold his soul but I thought it was blackmail, threats to family, or some kind of fear. I didn’t think it was the money. But makes sense in my mind now. That sucks!
Marty got rich from Scientology
He was paid off to attack other critics in exchange for blood money
Marty is a liar, turncoat, criminal con because he knows the truth
Scientologists in and out are messed up people and some have obtained levels of arrogance never obtained by man before
Especially the Oat Teas and high ranking officials
It is a common side effect of ex high ranking members to take blood money from Scientology in exchange for putting on a show that they have recanted and gone back into Scientology
It is simple
Look at the history
Google others
Vicky Aznaran
She was the last high ranking officer who obtained blood money
They go away wealthy
Asshole turncoats who live in silence while more people are getting hurt
Asshats in my opinion
It’s all about the money!
Look at the confusion Scientology spins about people
Once you know the tactics used to put members into confusion…
Well said, Ex Guardian etc. (Whatever happened to short pen names?) It is all about the money. But the thing that I also find so harmful is that once Marty and Vicki Aznaran and others who settled and took money from the church, is that now when a church member questions about what about this person or that case, the church can show them the file on that person and show, “See he/she recanted and is now singing our praises.” So then the questioning member goes off satisfied that their church is still the best thing since sliced bread. It makes the rest of us out here look like lying, cheating, bitter apostates when one of the former critics recants. It makes the church right and us wrong. That is a huge way to keep the flock in line. Even Laura De Cresenzo settled and took money. And so if a sheeple comes and asks about the lawsuit about abortions, the church could say, “she dropped the lawsuit against us because she knew she had lied and that she would lose.” That is the opposite of the truth. And that makes the sheeple even more strong in their blind faith in a corrupt “church.”
Due to the Guardian’s office areas of expertise (Accounting, Legal, and…), you probably know the answer to my first question. So… if I helped someone else win a law suit over 30 years ago, and then signed a waiver when they won saying I would never speak out about Scientology; is there a statute of limitations on that?
One other question. In my short time of visiting this site (finally, after escaping DM and the “church” in the early 80’s) I have seen the name Laura come up several times, but never with enough information for me to figure out exactly who this person is. I worked with and “mentored” (a then, young girl) at CMO PAC circa 1980. Do you know, is the Laura people talk about ex CMO?
I remember when I was in, drinking the KA deeply. The way the church “dead agented” LRH’s son, L Ron Hubbard, Jr,, who later changed his name to “Nibs,” was to say that “he later recanted.” So all the things Nibs exposed LRH for, his underhanded dealings, his conning of people re the religion etc, this was retracted by Nibs. The church used that to the hilt to handle any in the fold who questioned it. It was a way to dead agent Nibs while totally shutting the door on any idea that Hubbard did anything wrong ever. In return for money, Nibs agreed not to talk anymore about LRH or Scn. Nibs had just undergone medical surgery and the bills were huge, he was pressed for money and signed the agreement with the church under financial duress, according to Jon Atack’s book.
This is why I am hoping that Leah and Mike will have something on Aftermath show about the gag order that all must agree to when they settle for millions from the C of $. Here is the documentation from Wikileaks below:
“In A Piece of Blue Sky former Scientologist Jon Atack writes:
Nibs accepted a financial settlement from the Scientologists after his father’s death in 1986, agreeing not to make further comment.[14]”
Oops correction here: Ron Hubbard Jr changed his name to “Ron deWolfe” and not to Nibs. The latter name was a nickname that LRH called him by as a kid.
Hi Ctempster. Your name is a little scary, please define…
I was “brought aboard” very shortly after DM came to CMO SU. I was very young and very new to Scientology. I befriended R’s youngest (and very nervous) son. Only because I was a “night messenger” and so my schedule was the opposite of the “base”… He would wait until all “base personnel” were at lunch before coming outside to paint (for his father). That happened to be when I was waking up from my 12:00 a.m. to 6:00 a.m. Messenger shift to then start my day-shift (’cause, you know, everyone must work for 16 hours…)
I was later relocated (due to the fiasco my parent’s caused that “blew” the La Quinta SU Base location) to CMO PAC in LA.
As a part of DM’s take over, he offloaded Arthur of course!
CMO, This is so interesting. Would love to hear more when you’re up to it.
ctempstersays
HI CMO Lost, Thanks for sharing a snippet of your experiences in the early days with LRH, DM and Arthur Hubbard. Would love to read more when you’re ready to tell it. Get my private email address from Mike and I’ll tell you the story of my scary name.
CMO Lostsays
Hello again Ctempster,
Thank you for your comment reply. I have been fighting with GMail for the last 30 minutes. I think I need a better (and more private) email service!
EGOC, I genuinely appreciate that clear explanation. I totally get it now. And it’s heartbreaking! I hate that they can use that on the still ins!! As far as Laura in my opinion that’s still a victory. However I’m still learning and trying to understand as much as I can. But I’m trying to keep fighting the good fight as best I can.
A (very) few of the philosophy’s and concepts I learned so many years ago, aren’t so bad… like “The way out, is the way through!” And thanks for your comment back to me 😉 Appreciated!
Of course! Showing love through sex is not allowed now, right?!! Unless you are DM who never wanted children… He initially loved Shelly because she was the highest ranking Messenger – NOT!!!! And they slept in separate beds back then – NOT!!!! Then when tired of her, had her locked up… apparently way more times than the initial lock-up I witnessed her being hauled to 🙁
You know…. the one(s) that are sec checked within an inch of their lives. Sex is money to the Cof$. Extracting money because of it is one of their more successful clandestine operations.
That’s what I was going to say! I don’t know what I would do first kill him or get a divorce lawyer but I sure would be packing my bags as soon as we got back to the house. Or kicking him out.
this method small print misses point to hard to read.
it is not cartoon Buggsy donations costs using tuition funds LARGE PRINT the point is not to look at two people in car…..the hidden message deep inside small print……COST OF Scientology gifts donations etc.
anyway doubtful this will change. GET back on TV Mike with LEAH
All I can think is he can’t see to read it. I used to not be able to read mine because they were blurry. But I can see them clearly now. When I read that I thought “blurry” ?? Lol
Wow, I think back on the first email RB posting till now. Those still in the cult are truly the completely programmed and fully indoctrinated Sciebots. Crazy people.
Baby you’ve come a long way. Thanks RB and special thanks to Mike, Leah, Tony and all those others who have continued to expose the toxic organization.
Like I say, they truly are, The Walking Dead. They don’t have to think at all. Higher ups will tell them what to do. And by God, they better do it. Insane.
It’s astounding that they have a car… or a home to return to after the regging event. Both of those are distractions from the deadly serious job of “Clearing The Planet”(tm). For that matter, so is their 2D….
When I was in, I didn’t have many hatreds about the cult, but I did have a few. The thing I hated most about the cult, even more than having to attend events, was being made to feel GUILTY for spending money on myself.
Clothes, fixing up my apartment back in the day, God forbid, a vacation. Guilt!
And I’ve never been much of a shopper. I came from generous people. My parents were very open handed with me.
Yet I always knew that “things” did not, would not, necessarily buy me happiness. I always had a very strong sense of that!
Yet, in the cult, at some point, when I needed things for myself, wanted things, the concept clearly communicated was that ANYTHING purchased that could instead be put the Bridge or towards some straight donation was…how do I communicate this?…something bordering on a CRIME. Yes! Mildly criminal. Not criminal, exactly, but, in some way… criminal…
Difficult to explain! Maybe it was just me, because no one, no staff member or even SO member actually TOLD me this!
I have thought about that a lot Aqua. Hearing Leah talk about not taking vacations, etc. I’m by no means an extravagant person, but I would strongly resent not being able to treat myself well! It’s to important for a healthy mind and body. And what you said the other day about not paying your bills! That would kill me. The stress alone! And how irresponsible. If anything had interested me if would have been going up the bridge. Lol But I could never deal with the constant donations while it would be better spent on home and family.
from my view this “martyr for the cause” state of mind was an overall part of the entire culture of scn.. it was built by the KSW policy, coupled with the policy, “Safeguarding Technology” the one about “other fish to fry” and “bowling, horse racing” –
Just those alone lay the foundation of priority and guilt….. then you have the culture wherein when someone donates heavily, buys their bridge, gets a loan and buys a training package – they’re lauded and made much of. These are “the upstats” “the able”
In scn you are admired and rewarded with attention and fellowship by your contribution, training, and auditing level… these things are not given when you waltz in with a new coat, a new car, and so on. If you are NOT OT VIII and Class VIII, why are you spending money on MEST?
“wrong priority” “needs conditions on dynamics” “PTS to the Middle Class” (include that with the above polices) …
You weren’t alone, you didn’t make it up in you mind on your own.., we swam in the ocean of “sacrifice to the cause to get up the bridge and save the planet”, nothing in MEST matters, etc…
I saw people selling their cars – their only mode of transportation – to then donate those bucks immediately to the IAS. I saw people donate the next 3 months worth of rent money and then become homeless… Kids in raggedy clothes and Mum’s on staff making nothing…
The group and purpose is all and the individual is nothing.
All this for something that is a poor excuse for pop psychology. Scientology achieves nothing for the epic sacrifice of people’s lives. There have been plenty of ill-advised wars and lost causes out there, but Scientology is down there only a few rungs up from bottom.
Consider if the Scientologists had instead devoted themselves to a real religious order, serving in their countries’ military, or even worked for a charity. All are about self-sacrifice, but gnerally is actually accomplishing a goal. Imagine if all of the Sea Org in the US had joined the Coast Guard and were off saving lives and stopping human trafficking? Imagine if the Volunteer Ministers had instead worked with the Red Cross?
My thanks to all of you who responded to my “felt guilty” comment. It helps to know that I didn’t just pick up that guilt out of the ether, and that I wasn’t alone in harboring the absurd guilt and defensiveness I’d feel after buying myself a sweater or something!
Today, as I look at this analytically, as I observe this behavior in retrospect, with an objective viewpoint, as an Outie and not a Still Innie, I’m amazed!
Was I freaking crazy or something? (Short answer: Yes.).
I could just as well have felt guilty about not donating that $40 or $50 I spent on a couple of sweaters to a charity that feeds starving children. Or an organization that shelters people left homeless by hurricanes and tornados and forest fires. Or or or or or…
I’m also thinking that some of this guilt – not all of it, but a portion of it – is purely of my own manufacture, having nothing to do anything, not even Co$ (even though they might have played on it.) I’m thinking that because all my people – my parents, whom I lost early, and then other relatives who took care of me afterwards – since all of them were so generous with me, though none of them were rich – yet they were so giving – that I have guilt about that, like that I didn’t deserve to be given so much, that I never “earned” it, instead, I was just THERE, kind of, and just THAT made them happy and want to keep giving me things…oh, well, its complicated, and I digress.
But thanks again, my friends, because not only do I laugh and heal here, but I always learn something too: I always acquire a bit more knowledge or insight, in one way or another, because of what I read here, and that’s so valuable.
GUILT TRIP……Plain and simple Aqua……make YOU feel guilty for wanting items for yourself instead of pissing it away handing it off to THEM when THEY have done nothing to earn it. Many religions do the same thing as in “Hey don’t you want to help others” & then expect you to sign a pledge to donation X amount of money to the Church….money that would be better spent providing for your own family.
With COS you don’t really have the money, and anything you do earn by hours and hours of work, they guilt trip you into “donating it to the cause”….to move higher and higher deeper into the farce of “the bridge”..
There will NEVER, let me repeat…NEVER be a so called “Clear Planet”. There are millions of people with different religious beliefs & morals to prevent that from ever happening. It’s a fairytale that the organization has suckered very lovely people into believe similar to the 1960’s Hippie Generation…you can Save the World with Love & Peace…..1960’s & those same Hippies are STILL waiting for the “Love & Peace” to happen.
Those still ins are aging fast….they’ve no resources for their future elder years to care for themselves & continue to hand over everything they’ve got for….nothing. The “newbies”….the ones not in by CHOICE, put in by their parents are the “new generation”….they’ll drink the Kool Aid until the well runs dry….
My dear Aqua….never doubt yourself…you SAVED yourself & I am so proud of you!
Deluded thinking is delusional. With less then 20k $cientologists left on Teegeeack (you can’t spell Teegeeack without the ‘geeak’) how long can the current infrastructure be maintained? Hell, how long can the staff and Sea bOrg get their pay?
When I started in Scientology, events were local and rather small affairs. There was no heavy regging.
At the time I left 12 years ago, they would have some new release of CDs or something at events that attendees were expected to buy, but this would only set you back a couple of hundred dollars or so.
If it is really like this now I am so happy to be out.
Me too. And for all that my business did well when I was in, I used to always be broke. Since leaving, almost from DAY (I swear) after I left, I haven’t been broke since! I never worry about money anymore, whereas when I was in I was ALWAYS worried about it!
So true RB. And so sad. It makes you want to cry for the wife and slap the husband. God, I hope they don’t have children, but if they do, they will lose them through disconnection. How uncivilized and downright suppressive can this cherch get?
Oh my … the most efficient and successful brainwashing ever. The more you are entrapped the more you justify it but if it all goes wrong it is your fault and you take responsibility for it. The hamster wheel of scamology, the only thing Hubbard succeeded in.
Thanks RB,
This cartoon probably describes thousands of couples.
Secretly hoping that a couple of dozen OTR will read it and maybe come up to present time.
I would like to indicate that you totally have wrapped your mind around Scientology and Scientologists with TOTAL CONCEPTUAL UNDERSTANDING and have the uncanny ability to duplicate it with insouciant knowingness.
Your ability to communicate the data back to us and add some Joking and Degrading in there….is very Oat Tea.
Very Well Fricken Done!
RB – we love you….you are hysterical!
You help erase the engram that IS Scientology…. for real.
We blow charge each and every week with chunks of our Scientological Case coming off.
Thursdays have been a trigger for PTSD….but now after years of RB’s work…we have nothing but Floating Needles and Tone Arms flying off the meter.
Agreed.RBs cartoons get the sheeple to spot the SP wolf.
It gets recovering Kool Aid drinkers to peel the onion how they were taken for a sucker.
i would recommend ex staff the “RB Rundown”(reading 100 or so RB cartoons) to spot the false data.
Is Marty Rathbun’s name included in this latest version of ‘The War Is Over’?
(As in “Marty Rathbun and I walked into the IRS lobby….” or whatever was said)
I had to fix the T-Shirt links . . .
https://www.pierandsurf.com/fishing-forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=57881&d=1536014519
https://www.pierandsurf.com/fishing-forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=57883&d=1536014538
Thanx to you I just watched that video about that today! Awesome. I have to have one!
Ann,
I just designed the T-Shirt, but I have no funds to produce them.
Therefor, feel free to use the words yourself ( or anyone else ). Any custom T-Shirt company should be able to make them.
FRONT:
https://www.pierandsurf.com/fishing-forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=57881
BACK:
https://www.pierandsurf.com/fishing-forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=57883
This is the actual wording I used . . .
Attested to Clear, yet ?
Attesting to Clear …
To attest to Clear,
you must realize you
have been mocking up
your own Reactive Mind,
all along, & that you’re
no longer doing that.
. . .
The Clear Cognition !
Dave F.
Dave F.! I was hoping you were selling them. ☺. Maybe Mike and Leah will make some up to go with the “Don’t be Culty” sweatshirts! (Or maybe someone else out there?). They are so cool. Great design job.
Ann,
If Mike reads this, he is more than welcome to use my design, free of charge.
Dave F.
I have designed a T-Shirt . . . My wife and I are going down to FL in October . . . Yes, we will “tour” Clearwater !
I have designed a T-Shirt . . . Thoughts ?
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Dave F.
This RB hits a home run in the truth department.
Being a scientologist is very similar to having a serious gambling problem that destroys family life and leads to bankruptcy.
I never thought of it like that! It really is.
Not really. With gambling there really is a chance you’ll win big.
No, if you gamble, there is no other outcome than pain. Always.
I just won $1000 on my twice a year gambling boat trip. Not seeing the downside if you’re not an addict. ☺
I better clarify… if one has a gambling problem, there is always pain.
Whatareyourcrimes, I was being lighthearted. In all seriousness I completely agree! Obsession and addiction to anything usually ends badly. Moderation in everything!
Haha! That’s true! ☺
What I’d like to see:
The New York Times calls it “the best musical of this century.” The Washington Post says, “It is the kind of evening that restores your faith in musicals.” And Entertainment Weekly says, “Grade A: The funniest musical of all time.” Jimmy Fallon of The Tonight Show calls it “Genius. Brilliant. Phenomenal.” It’s THE BOOK OF SCIENTOLOGY, the nine-time Tony Award®-winning Best Musical. This outrageous musical comedy follows the misadventures of a mismatched pair of Scientologists, sent halfway across the world to spread the Word of the wacky L Ron Hubbard, founder of the religious tax-dodge-scam-cult. Now with standing room only productions in London, on Broadway, and across North America, THE BOOK OF SCIENTOLOGY has truly become an international sensation. Contains explicit language. For more information, visit bookofscientologythemusical.com.
I might just pay to see that!
That musical worked for the Mormons….
Priceless!
Playing Sept 8 in SF, CA
http://sanfrancisco.eventful.com/events/scientology-musical-/E0-001-115291785-6
Yes Whackology
We love your idea! Get that create on SP’s
Let’s shut this evil cult down!
Scientology…….destroying lives since 1950!
Covertly and Overtly…
If it ain’t cruel and inhumane….
It is NOT Scientology!
Good question Chee Chalker. We should have some of the UTR’s on Mike’s site go to see this video (again) and see if Marty is given any credit or if he has been removed entirely. Come on you UTR’s take one for the team!
There is no question, that hall will be filled with secret UTRs, all of them very good actors. Chew on that truth, Miscavige. You are surrounded by SPs.
When they declare bankruptcy he’s going to need buy more Repair Auditing Intensives! Maybe he can get a 50% discount again. Now that’ll be a Win!
You know what’s sad, Rick? When they declare bankruptcy, they’ll be proud of it. They’ll even brag to the other KA drinkers about going bankrupt so that they could donate the money to the cult. And the cult will give them so plaque or pin or some other bullshit and tell them what “Big Beings” they are. They’ll feel all puffed up and important about it.
I speak from my own, direct, observations of cult people I knew. Anecdotal, I grant you. But true, and very sad, how hoodwinked, how utterly and completely conned these Culties were. George Orwell could have used this material.
It’s time to report actual conditions of members who lie to others on how Scientology works for real
Members hide the truth
Especially to themselves!
Here are some St Louis Scientologists that declared bankruptcy after donating a ton of money to Scientology:
Byron E Jones and Amy N Jones
Byron goes by Ronnie
They are still drinking the koolaid
Richard and Kerry Andrews (Rick
Richard is OT
Kerry is Clear and lead auditor
Still drinking the koolaid
______________________________
Some Scientologists who lost homes to the bank foreclosure
after donating money to Scientology:
Michael and Katy Jenne
Michael went Clear and then got glasses
Richard and Kerry Andrews
Jason and Athena Parker
Athena was in Sea Org and OT
Jason allegedly bragged about getting out of paying a huge hospital bill after becoming a “Himanitarian” to the St Louis Ideal Org
Sandy and Robin Adair – OT 8’s
Wil and Rachel Wilkinson
Rachel committed suicide after getting kicked out of the church during the foreclosure process
Public records tell no lies!
Wake up lurkers
Scientology Kills!
Amazing to see real names and short stories like this…
And every city where the Cult has an org or mission will have the same kind of stories = Thousands of people over the decades.
Is there any collection /site / place of info re the above?
Yeah, and may even join staff or the SO – the BIGGEST win of all!
I hope someone reads that and finally has an epiphany!! That moment where they are out of there!
I hope so too. I’m working on someone by feeding information to get them to look but so far, no luck. It seems deeply ingrained, but I’ve gotta keep at it I think Ann.
Here’s hoping! I think it’s so important to keep the conversation going daily. On this blog and elsewhere. So keep trying. You never know when it could be that day. It does happen. I’m with you on keeping on trying my friend!
Hello, Chris Shelton has an excellent You Tube video explaining how to be there for one whom is questioning, and most importantly how to ease the conversation on getting them to actually look with their eyes open. Visit his channel and look for the video.
I really like this Aaron Smith-Levin video. . . The “Clear Cognition” !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NSgNUXd6mU
Dave F.
Everyone needs to watch this! Loved it. TY!
Speaking of “epiphanies”. this video could certainly bring that about !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NSgNUXd6mU
Dave F.
Dave F. I just watched that in its entirety and then shared on Facebook. That was just perfect! Thank you!
Thank you, Ann !
I have designed a T-Shirt ( non-commercial ) . . . It says the same thing on the front & back.
https://www.pierandsurf.com/fishing-forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=57881&d=1536014519
Dave F.
Marty’s written ten CSWs to COB to be put back in the video but so far they’ve all been rejected. I believe he’s planning on getting Squirrel Busters going again to get back in Dave’s good graces.
What happened to Marty? Why did he go back? Truly I just don’t get it..
Follow the money.
Oh. I felt he sold his soul but I thought it was blackmail, threats to family, or some kind of fear. I didn’t think it was the money. But makes sense in my mind now. That sucks!
Ann – It’s all about the money
Marty got rich from Scientology
He was paid off to attack other critics in exchange for blood money
Marty is a liar, turncoat, criminal con because he knows the truth
Scientologists in and out are messed up people and some have obtained levels of arrogance never obtained by man before
Especially the Oat Teas and high ranking officials
It is a common side effect of ex high ranking members to take blood money from Scientology in exchange for putting on a show that they have recanted and gone back into Scientology
It is simple
Look at the history
Google others
Vicky Aznaran
She was the last high ranking officer who obtained blood money
They go away wealthy
Asshole turncoats who live in silence while more people are getting hurt
Asshats in my opinion
It’s all about the money!
Look at the confusion Scientology spins about people
Once you know the tactics used to put members into confusion…
It is simple to know how the evil cult operates
Well said, Ex Guardian etc. (Whatever happened to short pen names?) It is all about the money. But the thing that I also find so harmful is that once Marty and Vicki Aznaran and others who settled and took money from the church, is that now when a church member questions about what about this person or that case, the church can show them the file on that person and show, “See he/she recanted and is now singing our praises.” So then the questioning member goes off satisfied that their church is still the best thing since sliced bread. It makes the rest of us out here look like lying, cheating, bitter apostates when one of the former critics recants. It makes the church right and us wrong. That is a huge way to keep the flock in line. Even Laura De Cresenzo settled and took money. And so if a sheeple comes and asks about the lawsuit about abortions, the church could say, “she dropped the lawsuit against us because she knew she had lied and that she would lose.” That is the opposite of the truth. And that makes the sheeple even more strong in their blind faith in a corrupt “church.”
Spot on! CTempster
Well put
At least Debbie Cook and Marty Rathbun did some SERIOUS damage to the cult prior to accepting the blood money gag Order
Scientology will never recover
Even Laura did some damage
And for that…..we thank you
Hello Ex Guardian Office Cringing,
Due to the Guardian’s office areas of expertise (Accounting, Legal, and…), you probably know the answer to my first question. So… if I helped someone else win a law suit over 30 years ago, and then signed a waiver when they won saying I would never speak out about Scientology; is there a statute of limitations on that?
One other question. In my short time of visiting this site (finally, after escaping DM and the “church” in the early 80’s) I have seen the name Laura come up several times, but never with enough information for me to figure out exactly who this person is. I worked with and “mentored” (a then, young girl) at CMO PAC circa 1980. Do you know, is the Laura people talk about ex CMO?
I remember when I was in, drinking the KA deeply. The way the church “dead agented” LRH’s son, L Ron Hubbard, Jr,, who later changed his name to “Nibs,” was to say that “he later recanted.” So all the things Nibs exposed LRH for, his underhanded dealings, his conning of people re the religion etc, this was retracted by Nibs. The church used that to the hilt to handle any in the fold who questioned it. It was a way to dead agent Nibs while totally shutting the door on any idea that Hubbard did anything wrong ever. In return for money, Nibs agreed not to talk anymore about LRH or Scn. Nibs had just undergone medical surgery and the bills were huge, he was pressed for money and signed the agreement with the church under financial duress, according to Jon Atack’s book.
This is why I am hoping that Leah and Mike will have something on Aftermath show about the gag order that all must agree to when they settle for millions from the C of $. Here is the documentation from Wikileaks below:
“In A Piece of Blue Sky former Scientologist Jon Atack writes:
Nibs accepted a financial settlement from the Scientologists after his father’s death in 1986, agreeing not to make further comment.[14]”
Thank you for that fascinating info! I had no idea about that. Wow!
Oops correction here: Ron Hubbard Jr changed his name to “Ron deWolfe” and not to Nibs. The latter name was a nickname that LRH called him by as a kid.
Hi Ctempster. Your name is a little scary, please define…
I was “brought aboard” very shortly after DM came to CMO SU. I was very young and very new to Scientology. I befriended R’s youngest (and very nervous) son. Only because I was a “night messenger” and so my schedule was the opposite of the “base”… He would wait until all “base personnel” were at lunch before coming outside to paint (for his father). That happened to be when I was waking up from my 12:00 a.m. to 6:00 a.m. Messenger shift to then start my day-shift (’cause, you know, everyone must work for 16 hours…)
I was later relocated (due to the fiasco my parent’s caused that “blew” the La Quinta SU Base location) to CMO PAC in LA.
As a part of DM’s take over, he offloaded Arthur of course!
More later…. hard to talk about 🙁
CMO, This is so interesting. Would love to hear more when you’re up to it.
HI CMO Lost, Thanks for sharing a snippet of your experiences in the early days with LRH, DM and Arthur Hubbard. Would love to read more when you’re ready to tell it. Get my private email address from Mike and I’ll tell you the story of my scary name.
Hello again Ctempster,
Thank you for your comment reply. I have been fighting with GMail for the last 30 minutes. I think I need a better (and more private) email service!
EGOC, I genuinely appreciate that clear explanation. I totally get it now. And it’s heartbreaking! I hate that they can use that on the still ins!! As far as Laura in my opinion that’s still a victory. However I’m still learning and trying to understand as much as I can. But I’m trying to keep fighting the good fight as best I can.
You go girl!
A (very) few of the philosophy’s and concepts I learned so many years ago, aren’t so bad… like “The way out, is the way through!” And thanks for your comment back to me 😉 Appreciated!
Romance, Scioland style.
What…they always have to use the missionary position?
Yes, and of course oral sex is right next to verbal tech.
Of course! Showing love through sex is not allowed now, right?!! Unless you are DM who never wanted children… He initially loved Shelly because she was the highest ranking Messenger – NOT!!!! And they slept in separate beds back then – NOT!!!! Then when tired of her, had her locked up… apparently way more times than the initial lock-up I witnessed her being hauled to 🙁
Depends on what the checksheet states. Then again, pink sheets are kind of a touchy area, so yeah, you might be right – standard missionary it is.
Would doggy style get you sent to cramming or ethics? Inquisitive minds want to know!
Now you thinking like a Scientologist!
Terribly sad sad sad
Can you imagine what their sex life is like?
Sure. He’s rehabbing all his old Wins while she’s mentally figuring out what bills they can pay that month!
Ummmm…what sex life?
You know…. the one(s) that are sec checked within an inch of their lives. Sex is money to the Cof$. Extracting money because of it is one of their more successful clandestine operations.
Scientology 2d is an oxymoron.
David Miscavige is a foxy moron.
An Oxymoron is a stupid steer.
When Dave is near bullshit appears.
He’s the ecclesiastical leader of Scientology. Think about that for a moment…
Leave him now!
She needs to lean over and stick an ice-pick into his Carotid Artery, while they are stopped at a traffic light . . .
Dave F.
That’s what I was going to say! I don’t know what I would do first kill him or get a divorce lawyer but I sure would be packing my bags as soon as we got back to the house. Or kicking him out.
And never go back.
this method small print misses point to hard to read.
it is not cartoon Buggsy donations costs using tuition funds LARGE PRINT the point is not to look at two people in car…..the hidden message deep inside small print……COST OF Scientology gifts donations etc.
anyway doubtful this will change. GET back on TV Mike with LEAH
Would someone kindly translate the above into English for me, please? Thank you in advance for your prompt attention to this matter.
All I can think is he can’t see to read it. I used to not be able to read mine because they were blurry. But I can see them clearly now. When I read that I thought “blurry” ?? Lol
Wow, I think back on the first email RB posting till now. Those still in the cult are truly the completely programmed and fully indoctrinated Sciebots. Crazy people.
Baby you’ve come a long way. Thanks RB and special thanks to Mike, Leah, Tony and all those others who have continued to expose the toxic organization.
Like I say, they truly are, The Walking Dead. They don’t have to think at all. Higher ups will tell them what to do. And by God, they better do it. Insane.
I truly can’t imagine not WANTING to think for yourself!
I second that Thanks!!!! I’m having gratefulness today!
It’s astounding that they have a car… or a home to return to after the regging event. Both of those are distractions from the deadly serious job of “Clearing The Planet”(tm). For that matter, so is their 2D….
When I was in, I didn’t have many hatreds about the cult, but I did have a few. The thing I hated most about the cult, even more than having to attend events, was being made to feel GUILTY for spending money on myself.
Clothes, fixing up my apartment back in the day, God forbid, a vacation. Guilt!
And I’ve never been much of a shopper. I came from generous people. My parents were very open handed with me.
Yet I always knew that “things” did not, would not, necessarily buy me happiness. I always had a very strong sense of that!
Yet, in the cult, at some point, when I needed things for myself, wanted things, the concept clearly communicated was that ANYTHING purchased that could instead be put the Bridge or towards some straight donation was…how do I communicate this?…something bordering on a CRIME. Yes! Mildly criminal. Not criminal, exactly, but, in some way… criminal…
Difficult to explain! Maybe it was just me, because no one, no staff member or even SO member actually TOLD me this!
that is the prison of the mind.
Recommended reading: “Opening Minds: The Secret World of Manipulation, Undue Influence and Brainwashing” by Jon Atack
I have thought about that a lot Aqua. Hearing Leah talk about not taking vacations, etc. I’m by no means an extravagant person, but I would strongly resent not being able to treat myself well! It’s to important for a healthy mind and body. And what you said the other day about not paying your bills! That would kill me. The stress alone! And how irresponsible. If anything had interested me if would have been going up the bridge. Lol But I could never deal with the constant donations while it would be better spent on home and family.
…I understand…and had similar guilt feelings…
from my view this “martyr for the cause” state of mind was an overall part of the entire culture of scn.. it was built by the KSW policy, coupled with the policy, “Safeguarding Technology” the one about “other fish to fry” and “bowling, horse racing” –
Just those alone lay the foundation of priority and guilt….. then you have the culture wherein when someone donates heavily, buys their bridge, gets a loan and buys a training package – they’re lauded and made much of. These are “the upstats” “the able”
In scn you are admired and rewarded with attention and fellowship by your contribution, training, and auditing level… these things are not given when you waltz in with a new coat, a new car, and so on. If you are NOT OT VIII and Class VIII, why are you spending money on MEST?
“wrong priority” “needs conditions on dynamics” “PTS to the Middle Class” (include that with the above polices) …
You weren’t alone, you didn’t make it up in you mind on your own.., we swam in the ocean of “sacrifice to the cause to get up the bridge and save the planet”, nothing in MEST matters, etc…
I saw people selling their cars – their only mode of transportation – to then donate those bucks immediately to the IAS. I saw people donate the next 3 months worth of rent money and then become homeless… Kids in raggedy clothes and Mum’s on staff making nothing…
The group and purpose is all and the individual is nothing.
All this for something that is a poor excuse for pop psychology. Scientology achieves nothing for the epic sacrifice of people’s lives. There have been plenty of ill-advised wars and lost causes out there, but Scientology is down there only a few rungs up from bottom.
Consider if the Scientologists had instead devoted themselves to a real religious order, serving in their countries’ military, or even worked for a charity. All are about self-sacrifice, but gnerally is actually accomplishing a goal. Imagine if all of the Sea Org in the US had joined the Coast Guard and were off saving lives and stopping human trafficking? Imagine if the Volunteer Ministers had instead worked with the Red Cross?
My thanks to all of you who responded to my “felt guilty” comment. It helps to know that I didn’t just pick up that guilt out of the ether, and that I wasn’t alone in harboring the absurd guilt and defensiveness I’d feel after buying myself a sweater or something!
Today, as I look at this analytically, as I observe this behavior in retrospect, with an objective viewpoint, as an Outie and not a Still Innie, I’m amazed!
Was I freaking crazy or something? (Short answer: Yes.).
I could just as well have felt guilty about not donating that $40 or $50 I spent on a couple of sweaters to a charity that feeds starving children. Or an organization that shelters people left homeless by hurricanes and tornados and forest fires. Or or or or or…
I’m also thinking that some of this guilt – not all of it, but a portion of it – is purely of my own manufacture, having nothing to do anything, not even Co$ (even though they might have played on it.) I’m thinking that because all my people – my parents, whom I lost early, and then other relatives who took care of me afterwards – since all of them were so generous with me, though none of them were rich – yet they were so giving – that I have guilt about that, like that I didn’t deserve to be given so much, that I never “earned” it, instead, I was just THERE, kind of, and just THAT made them happy and want to keep giving me things…oh, well, its complicated, and I digress.
But thanks again, my friends, because not only do I laugh and heal here, but I always learn something too: I always acquire a bit more knowledge or insight, in one way or another, because of what I read here, and that’s so valuable.
Aqua, Echo your last paragraph. Or maybe I duplicate you. Lol But I learn and heal here daily as well.
New t-shirts, MEST MATTERS! , I’M OUT-ETHICS! MISCAVIGE SUCKS!, DISCONNECTION: SCIENTOLOGY DESTROYS FAMILIES.
GUILT TRIP……Plain and simple Aqua……make YOU feel guilty for wanting items for yourself instead of pissing it away handing it off to THEM when THEY have done nothing to earn it. Many religions do the same thing as in “Hey don’t you want to help others” & then expect you to sign a pledge to donation X amount of money to the Church….money that would be better spent providing for your own family.
With COS you don’t really have the money, and anything you do earn by hours and hours of work, they guilt trip you into “donating it to the cause”….to move higher and higher deeper into the farce of “the bridge”..
There will NEVER, let me repeat…NEVER be a so called “Clear Planet”. There are millions of people with different religious beliefs & morals to prevent that from ever happening. It’s a fairytale that the organization has suckered very lovely people into believe similar to the 1960’s Hippie Generation…you can Save the World with Love & Peace…..1960’s & those same Hippies are STILL waiting for the “Love & Peace” to happen.
Those still ins are aging fast….they’ve no resources for their future elder years to care for themselves & continue to hand over everything they’ve got for….nothing. The “newbies”….the ones not in by CHOICE, put in by their parents are the “new generation”….they’ll drink the Kool Aid until the well runs dry….
My dear Aqua….never doubt yourself…you SAVED yourself & I am so proud of you!
I am once again the recipient of your kindness and understanding, Balletlady. Thank you.
Deluded thinking is delusional. With less then 20k $cientologists left on Teegeeack (you can’t spell Teegeeack without the ‘geeak’) how long can the current infrastructure be maintained? Hell, how long can the staff and Sea bOrg get their pay?
Hope springs eternal…
Scientology, where you go for closure. Foreclosure. For sure.
LOL! Nice! And very true.
🙂 Ammo.
And fear exposure.
facepalm.jpg
(for the man)
Gosh!
When I started in Scientology, events were local and rather small affairs. There was no heavy regging.
At the time I left 12 years ago, they would have some new release of CDs or something at events that attendees were expected to buy, but this would only set you back a couple of hundred dollars or so.
If it is really like this now I am so happy to be out.
Feels pretty good, doesn’t it Cavalier? Leaving Scientology was such a rush for me! I couldn’t stop smiling.
Me too. And for all that my business did well when I was in, I used to always be broke. Since leaving, almost from DAY (I swear) after I left, I haven’t been broke since! I never worry about money anymore, whereas when I was in I was ALWAYS worried about it!
I still go out and rob 7/11 stores. According to their security cameras, I’m
Between 6’11″and 4’5″. Hey…it’s a living.
What year did you leave OSD? You definitely seen like a happy dude! ☺
I left in ’82. I refused to attest to the state of Clear. Why? Nothing had changed! And yes, I am a happy Dude
How true and very, very, very sad!
So true RB. And so sad. It makes you want to cry for the wife and slap the husband. God, I hope they don’t have children, but if they do, they will lose them through disconnection. How uncivilized and downright suppressive can this cherch get?
Wow! That husband!
Kool-aid drinker to the max!
Wow. Two viewpoints. One is the “real” world and the is the “REALLY OT” world. LOL
Oh my … the most efficient and successful brainwashing ever. The more you are entrapped the more you justify it but if it all goes wrong it is your fault and you take responsibility for it. The hamster wheel of scamology, the only thing Hubbard succeeded in.
“The more you are entrapped the more you justify it…”
Spot on true!
Wow, like, sick. Cannot imagine what life is like trapped inside the diseased bubble of
???Scientology???
This “cartoon” strip
???Regraded Being???
certainly helps to graphically illustrate that.
Instead of invisible space aliens attached to your soul like the
??? “religion” ?? ?
claims is the case, and that those pesky little critters are the true cause of all your problems in life as revealed by the
???sacred text???
When you go
??Up The Bridge to Total Freedom??
and access the “higher”
???OT levels???
Starting at OT III where you learn about the
????Wall of Fire????
What you have “attached” to you, in reality, are human ticks sucking the life out of you — financially, mentally and more. Scientologists.
Just fucking horrific.
A shame that L Ron Blubber Lips mother didn’t have a miscarriage or abort him. He was a pox on humanity….
I wish that were fiction.
Thanks RB,
This cartoon probably describes thousands of couples.
Secretly hoping that a couple of dozen OTR will read it and maybe come up to present time.
RB –
I would like to indicate that you totally have wrapped your mind around Scientology and Scientologists with TOTAL CONCEPTUAL UNDERSTANDING and have the uncanny ability to duplicate it with insouciant knowingness.
Your ability to communicate the data back to us and add some Joking and Degrading in there….is very Oat Tea.
Very Well Fricken Done!
RB – we love you….you are hysterical!
You help erase the engram that IS Scientology…. for real.
We blow charge each and every week with chunks of our Scientological Case coming off.
Thursdays have been a trigger for PTSD….but now after years of RB’s work…we have nothing but Floating Needles and Tone Arms flying off the meter.
THANK YOU!
Agreed.RBs cartoons get the sheeple to spot the SP wolf.
It gets recovering Kool Aid drinkers to peel the onion how they were taken for a sucker.
i would recommend ex staff the “RB Rundown”(reading 100 or so RB cartoons) to spot the false data.
What OE said. Thanks, RB!
Is Marty Rathbun’s name included in this latest version of ‘The War Is Over’?
(As in “Marty Rathbun and I walked into the IRS lobby….” or whatever was said)