BTW, Mike et al.: Hope the cruise was better than you expected and that you got loads of quality time with family and friends — true friends who are only available outside of that toxic organization.
It’s truly a shame that ‘confidential’ never meant anything to the clams, that there have always been things that you just should never say in session. That, among other things, meant that sometimes you just had to come up with an incredible ‘past-life’ fantasy instead of a truthful incident. Never mind that the fantasy “runs” just as ‘well’ as the real McCoy.
Ole LRH was a deluxe con artist. I think he had a very evil mind. Money and power was his aim. He was a dictator. He created a state of modern slavery. I remember seeing the Dyanetics book advertised on TV back in the 70’s. I thought it looked interesting and contemplated getting. I’m so grateful I never did.
Back when I was in, oh, about 15 years ago, a Florida Scientologist I knew revealed to me (she HAD to tell me, actually – long story, complicated) that she and her husband had just come, quite unexpectedly into – well, let’s just say it was a sum of money in excess of 15K and not more than 45K.
She SWORE me to secrecy about this. Over and Over. Said she and her husband were USING THIS MONEY TO PAY BILLS and NOT to give to Scientology. NO ONE in Scientology could know about this!
Even then, as much of a koolaid drinker as I was, I marveled to myself at how any of us could be made to feel so guilty, so nervous and paranoid about spending our own honestly earned or acquired money as we saw fit!
Boy, did this burn me up.
Stewing silently, I let her babble for a while, then, when I could get a word in edge-wise, I assured her quietly, calmly and firmly that I was a busy woman running my own business and MINDING my own business and what she and her husband did with their own money was THEIR business and NO ONE else’s and that, accordingly, I would never tell a living soul what she just confided in me!
I made sure she got this, really got it.
Finally she calmed down.
And I never did tell anyone. A promise like that is a promise. But ALSO because
WILD HORSES couldn’t have dragged this information out of me!
Boy, did I burn up (silently) hearing her talk like this.
She, an honest person believing she had to justify TO ME why she was using her own money to pay bills instead of giving it to Scientology…GRRRRRRRR…I was totally on her side.
I thought to myself, “Well done! You go, girl! You take that windfall and pay off those blood sucking credit cards.”
Even back then, K/A drinker that I was, this sort of thing pressed EVERY button on the console with me.
Skyler, I don’t know if you’re wrong! I know I didn’t tell anyone. SHE might have though! Given her degree of nervousness and guilt its a distinct possibility that she spilled it later on to the cult. Like you, I hope not.
Sorry for the double post. But I’m reminded of what someone else posted recently. When you are brainwashed by one of the monster cults (like The Scam), at the end, they just sort of melt your brain until it’s equivalent to having no brain anymore. All your thoughts seem to be being replaced by what The Scam wants you to think.
This certainly seems true of your friend – except for the one last true thought she has – which is to never let the bastards know about that money. But if she was really true to herself, she would never have told anyone else. So …. her brain seems like it is operating on its very last legs.
How maddening! When you cause damage to someone that you have no right to damage, they can sue you in court for “damages”. But when your brain is gone, you cannot even formulate the thought that you need to sue them. I am just seething. Full of rage. Full of hatred for this scam.
Aquamarine your story is good, and I duplicate your anger. It reminds me of my story. Flag got wind that I got a small inheritance which they thought was a huge inheritance. So they got me to Flag and immediately started going for the money. I was having none of it and wouldn’t buy the intensives. I said “no money.” But they just knew I was lying because they heard… etc. They even asked me what happened to the money. I told them it was none of their business. That didn’t go over well so I told them, “I applied LRH to it and applied the Affluence Formula and paid off every bill under the sun, moon, and stars.” I thought quoting LRH would shut them up because we all agree to follow LRH’s advices and writing.
Well it didn’t shut them up and they continued to harass me for days and days after I was set to go home. They kept me past my leaving date to keep regging me for money and used almost every terminal in the org to try to get the money from me, It amazed me how they could just brush aside LRH references that applied and somehow think it was OK to keep pounding me for money which was against LRH policy of the Affluence Formula. Over the years Flag didn’t bother with trying to be On Source or do what LRH wrote about or spoke about; no, they would blatantly do the opposite of policy. And the end justifies the means. All about money and stats and David Miscavige’s command intention, LRH be damned.
No one is allowed to own anything in Scientology, ever! Except books, lectures, emeters, hours on account, donation commitments and whatever Phase # is in season. Being a Scientologist is akin marrying a lawyer for the opposition.
That’s another way in which the CofS is strangely like the communist regimes Hubbard loved to hate – all assets, and anything beyond subsistence-level income, is to go to the collective for the struggle to create an improved version of humanity (Hubbard’s “homo novis,” the Soviet New Man or Chinese New Socialist Man) and to support the fight to spread the ideology world-wide. Except, of course, that the “first among equals” – the leaders and elites, in Scientology’s case Miscavige, celebrities and “whales” – get to live lives of material comfort and economic privilege.
Scientology’s doctrine about “PTS to the middle class,” and particularly the way it is now applied to rank-and-file members to discourage accumulating possessions and assets – and instead give everything to Scientology – is very much like Marxist-Leninist towards the bourgeois. Plus, of course, Hubbard ended up implementing just the various types of mechanisms of totalitarian ideological and social control in Scientology, that he accused the Soviet Russians of doing.
The killer phrase for Scientology is “Since we’re going to end up in Ethics anyway…”
Once you realize you are screwed regardless of your actions, Ethics loses its power to intimidate and control you. Might as well be hung for a sheep as for a lamb.
I’ve read too many sad things today, so I’m going to give um.. Honey and Babe a happy ending.
Honey and Babe drive of to New Hampshire despite the cold and, after spending some time in town catching up on their entheta viewing, decide to renovate the place and open a bed and breakfast. Happily, New Hampshire has no orgs and after the first recovery team assigned to them blows after long discussions with them, they get declared. By then they don’t care and have reconnected with his family members.
After their first season running the bed and breakfast, they reach affluence and are able to make a sizable donation to some of their favorite Scientology critics, including Mike Rinder and the aftermath foundation. Some money also finds its way to RB, who uses it to publish his first book.
There have been a number of reports from people who have moved to places where there is no Scientology presence, in order to get away from it without having to actually “blow.” It’s hard to tell if it’s just that few, or if those cases are merely representative of what a significant number of members have done. Some have even fled like that, to escape the hothouse environment of regging and other pressures in Clearwater itself, after having moved there expecting to find “mecca,” and becoming disaffected – one reason the local membership there seems to have remained small, and likely even shrunk.
Family and other connections seem to be the sticking point. Those who go off into refuge often seem to keep up nominal ties such as IAS membership and small donations, in order to avoid being identified as disaffected, declared and disconnected from.
If there are any readers in this situation, it would be great to some details of what it’s really been like.
I”ve wondered about this too. I personally know two families who moved to areas of the United States very far away from any Scientology org or mission. Two families, 10 people.
That is a great ending. You got it so right when you wrote, “They all lived happily ever after.”
Not only did they never have to be scammed again. But they donated to Mike R. and so helped shut down the scammers. What a great ending! Well done Cre8tive1.
By the way, I hope you won’t mind. But I used your name and changed it a little to Cre8tive1 to mean “Creative One”. You wrote a great creative ending.
You are absolutely correct and everyone here knows that. Unfortunately … it is almost impossible for this couple to realize that since they are brainwashed. Mind control is almost impossible to defeat. As several people have recently said, People who don’t want to know don’t look.
I tried that. Once I was done with OT VIII, I thought it was a get out of jail free card and that I would never have to go in (or hold the cans) again. My husband was due to go in on his “Refresher” in October of the following year. October was (and maybe still is) a big IAS push month. I told my husband I did not want to come in for a “briefing” or a reg cycle and to give whatever he wanted, that he did not need to call me from the Org and ask me if what he “wanted to donate” was okay, that I honestly did not care, just give what he wanted. That’s how much I wanted nothing to do with these pound pound pound for money incidents. I DID NOT WANT TO GO IN. I had been pounded on enough. I had gone against my own willingness to donate too many times and it had worn me down. IT WAS NOT TO BE. The IAS regges were at my house, calling, asking my husband to ask me to come in for a “briefing.” I managed to avoid them until my husband called me from his cell phone from their IAS office. They had asked him to call me and of course, I answered. He put the IAS reg on the phone and she kept hammering me on “why not,” “why don’t you want to come in?” I kept saying my husband can let me know and he can give what he wants. She pushed and pushed and pushed as to why ’til I finally said, “Because I know what a ‘briefing’ is. You eventually start asking for donations and I did not want to give.” She said “WELL, I’m just going to write a report on you.” To which I replied, FUUUUCKKKK YOOOOOUUUUU!”
Of course, the next day I HAD to go to the MAA (Ethics officer) who dismissed the whole thing as insignificant, only to find myself now being body routed into the IAS office where my husband was and they pounded on us for five hours, once again wearing me down ’til I cried uncle. I used to wonder why they had to have me there until I realized that between my husband and I, I was the one they could wear down and would give huge sums of money “just to make it stop.” It is criminal what this church does to get its members to donate.
I have a dream that the IRS will give a shit about stories like this. The only people shit like this does not happen to are celebrities.
Mary, your comments have me recalling (and cringing) those oft repeated words at the examiner, “would you like others to have the same gains you have?” Of course one has to have ‘VGIs, and acknowledge in the affirmative if they want to get out of there with their soul intact. Sounds like OTVIII (and everything else up to that point) just wasn’t what it was cracked up to be. Glad you are out and here.
Mary, check Tony Ortega today. There *is* something you can do, and that is report your own experiences to the UK department mentioned there. They specifically request info from both UK and non-UK church members.
Mary – wow – thank you for sharing. Fucking crushing people financially. The Registrars did that to us too. I think we need to write it up to the IRS and copy FBI, AG, all Senators, Congessman and Mayor of your City. Tell everyone you know.
I remember, after a session, my class 12 auditor stopping me in the hallway right after I had visited the examiner. A cassette lecture series was going to be released at an event that night, and she wanted to arrange with me that I would buy them from her.
It was such an odd experience. Here was this auditor, trained to the highest level, a person who was supposed to be helping you restore your power of choice, putting you in a situation where you absolutely could not refuse. The sacred relationship of the auditor and preclear that had existed in my mind was damaged beyond repair at that moment over a stupid $146 cassette series I didn’t want, at the Mecca of Technical Perfection.
It was one of the many little trail markers along my path out of Scientology.
The funny thing is that it didn’t come up later as an ARC break or anything like that with her in session the next day.
I had something similar happen. I was told to come in at 8:00 or 9:00 pm for session. I show up right on time, sit down for session and my auditor looks at the clock and says, “Well it’s getting too late for a session, but I’m glad you’re here anyway because there’s something I want to talk to you about outside of session.” Then she proceeded to reg me to buy the latest release from her. It was such a blatant break in the Auditor’s Code. If you promise to deliver a session to a pc, you can’t break that promise. And auditors were supposed to be above money grubbing. They were supposed to be your safe terminals, your confidant. Ha! DM turned them all into registrars and gave them all money quotas. It was a huge betrayal of me by my auditor, the one person who was not supposed to betray you.
Geez, Cindy! That was even worse than what happened to me!
There was a reason that the scientology organization created the position of Registrar. It was to protect that relationship between the auditor and the preclear.
Sitting across from a registrar is an inherently adversarial circumstance. Scientology services cost SOO much that people have to go to extraordinary methods to scrape together enough to continue their auditing and training. The last thing you want to have is an adversarial relationship with an auditor.
The”greatest administrative technology in the world’, the Admin Tech, only works “sort of” when you factor into the business model that you only have to pay your staff about .04-.08 cents on the dollar for their service. And that is on a GOOD week.
So I get why the auditors sell books and tapes: It’s for the book commissions and as a public person, I didn’t want to begrudge my auditor a few bucks as they really needed it. But for the sake of a book or tape sale, the auditor moves into an adversarial relationship and BAM. Game over.
If “clearing the planet” is the mission of scientology then will you, David Miscavige (who we know reads Mr. Rinders blog and all the comments), explain to everyone why you as head of the church have given only one public interview in the last 30 or so years. Wouldn’t you want to be out front and center leading the charge?
Also, why isn’t the public welcomed with open arms to all of the scientology new building grand openings? Why are they cordoned off by security with no one allowed in? If you’re a scientologist lurking this page don’t you wonder too?
Also, what good does it do to classify non Scientologist as “wogs”. Aren’t those the very people you would want to attract to scientology so you can help them go clear? The same goes for so called suppressive persons. Isn’t scientology powerful enough to draw some of those people in to a point where they can be properly educated to see the light, wit and wisdom of L Ron Hubbard? I could go on and on. We all know the answers.
Don’t we, Mr Miscavige. By the way, haven’t you overstayed your visa here in the real world? Time for you to pack it in and head back to the Keebler Elf tree to bake some OT 8 cookies … never to be heard from again. ??
FDMIII,
Yeah, now that you mention it, I’m surprised David doesn’t openly embrace the public since he’s supposed to be trying to find the next obi-wan kenobi..,isn’t he?? Especially since his plan is to turn him over to the dark side and install him in the new Ventura .org which has been retrofitted to look like an evil empire vacation home!
Kings, Qeens and presidents gets portraite on money. LRH and DM gets portraited on toiletpaper. The way out of the hole is to bring a roll of toilet paper to the ideal org fundraising project.
Spot on RB! Anything divulged in one’s “confidential” sessions is open to anyone. At Flag there are cameras in the auditing rooms. In one session I “confessed” I had a boatload of money I wasn’t telling my reg about. Well, an hour later a reg came up and began pressuring me for money. When I said I had no money as I’d already given them all my savings, the reg hit back with “well, I am totally certain if you looked hard enough you would find it”. I was shocked beyond belief but then recalled the cameras in the room. My jaw dropped and my eyes opened up. Truth revealed!
“Having to hide our money from our church just feels really awkward and weird.”
I can’t imagine being in a religion and saying that. That having been said, I have been in scientology and said something similar to that after my father died. A “friend” coming over to my house to discuss what I was going to inherit shortly after his death was the final shove out the door. And the end of that friendship.
BTW, Mike et al.: Hope the cruise was better than you expected and that you got loads of quality time with family and friends — true friends who are only available outside of that toxic organization.
It’s truly a shame that ‘confidential’ never meant anything to the clams, that there have always been things that you just should never say in session. That, among other things, meant that sometimes you just had to come up with an incredible ‘past-life’ fantasy instead of a truthful incident. Never mind that the fantasy “runs” just as ‘well’ as the real McCoy.
Ole LRH was a deluxe con artist. I think he had a very evil mind. Money and power was his aim. He was a dictator. He created a state of modern slavery. I remember seeing the Dyanetics book advertised on TV back in the 70’s. I thought it looked interesting and contemplated getting. I’m so grateful I never did.
… people who are still scientologists…
… heh.
I mean, like really, c’mon! Ha ha!
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Love, love this! Thank you, RB.
Back when I was in, oh, about 15 years ago, a Florida Scientologist I knew revealed to me (she HAD to tell me, actually – long story, complicated) that she and her husband had just come, quite unexpectedly into – well, let’s just say it was a sum of money in excess of 15K and not more than 45K.
She SWORE me to secrecy about this. Over and Over. Said she and her husband were USING THIS MONEY TO PAY BILLS and NOT to give to Scientology. NO ONE in Scientology could know about this!
I calmly assured her I wouldn’t tell a soul.
At first she didn’t believe me.
“No, REALLY…you REALLY can’t tell ANYbody…nobody – NO ONE…REALLY, please…”…totally fixated. UTTERLY paranoid.
Even then, as much of a koolaid drinker as I was, I marveled to myself at how any of us could be made to feel so guilty, so nervous and paranoid about spending our own honestly earned or acquired money as we saw fit!
Boy, did this burn me up.
Stewing silently, I let her babble for a while, then, when I could get a word in edge-wise, I assured her quietly, calmly and firmly that I was a busy woman running my own business and MINDING my own business and what she and her husband did with their own money was THEIR business and NO ONE else’s and that, accordingly, I would never tell a living soul what she just confided in me!
I made sure she got this, really got it.
Finally she calmed down.
And I never did tell anyone. A promise like that is a promise. But ALSO because
WILD HORSES couldn’t have dragged this information out of me!
Boy, did I burn up (silently) hearing her talk like this.
She, an honest person believing she had to justify TO ME why she was using her own money to pay bills instead of giving it to Scientology…GRRRRRRRR…I was totally on her side.
I thought to myself, “Well done! You go, girl! You take that windfall and pay off those blood sucking credit cards.”
Even back then, K/A drinker that I was, this sort of thing pressed EVERY button on the console with me.
Fucking Flog Bloodsuckers.
As soon as I started reading your post, I thought to myself, “I know how this story ends. She will tell The Scam Suckers herself”.
I was so glad I was wrong and I hope she used all that money for her own happiness.
But, even though I was wrong, it was still a good story. Thanks for sharing that.
Skyler, I don’t know if you’re wrong! I know I didn’t tell anyone. SHE might have though! Given her degree of nervousness and guilt its a distinct possibility that she spilled it later on to the cult. Like you, I hope not.
Sorry for the double post. But I’m reminded of what someone else posted recently. When you are brainwashed by one of the monster cults (like The Scam), at the end, they just sort of melt your brain until it’s equivalent to having no brain anymore. All your thoughts seem to be being replaced by what The Scam wants you to think.
This certainly seems true of your friend – except for the one last true thought she has – which is to never let the bastards know about that money. But if she was really true to herself, she would never have told anyone else. So …. her brain seems like it is operating on its very last legs.
How maddening! When you cause damage to someone that you have no right to damage, they can sue you in court for “damages”. But when your brain is gone, you cannot even formulate the thought that you need to sue them. I am just seething. Full of rage. Full of hatred for this scam.
I hear you on everything, Skyler.
Aquamarine your story is good, and I duplicate your anger. It reminds me of my story. Flag got wind that I got a small inheritance which they thought was a huge inheritance. So they got me to Flag and immediately started going for the money. I was having none of it and wouldn’t buy the intensives. I said “no money.” But they just knew I was lying because they heard… etc. They even asked me what happened to the money. I told them it was none of their business. That didn’t go over well so I told them, “I applied LRH to it and applied the Affluence Formula and paid off every bill under the sun, moon, and stars.” I thought quoting LRH would shut them up because we all agree to follow LRH’s advices and writing.
Well it didn’t shut them up and they continued to harass me for days and days after I was set to go home. They kept me past my leaving date to keep regging me for money and used almost every terminal in the org to try to get the money from me, It amazed me how they could just brush aside LRH references that applied and somehow think it was OK to keep pounding me for money which was against LRH policy of the Affluence Formula. Over the years Flag didn’t bother with trying to be On Source or do what LRH wrote about or spoke about; no, they would blatantly do the opposite of policy. And the end justifies the means. All about money and stats and David Miscavige’s command intention, LRH be damned.
No one is allowed to own anything in Scientology, ever! Except books, lectures, emeters, hours on account, donation commitments and whatever Phase # is in season. Being a Scientologist is akin marrying a lawyer for the opposition.
That’s another way in which the CofS is strangely like the communist regimes Hubbard loved to hate – all assets, and anything beyond subsistence-level income, is to go to the collective for the struggle to create an improved version of humanity (Hubbard’s “homo novis,” the Soviet New Man or Chinese New Socialist Man) and to support the fight to spread the ideology world-wide. Except, of course, that the “first among equals” – the leaders and elites, in Scientology’s case Miscavige, celebrities and “whales” – get to live lives of material comfort and economic privilege.
Scientology’s doctrine about “PTS to the middle class,” and particularly the way it is now applied to rank-and-file members to discourage accumulating possessions and assets – and instead give everything to Scientology – is very much like Marxist-Leninist towards the bourgeois. Plus, of course, Hubbard ended up implementing just the various types of mechanisms of totalitarian ideological and social control in Scientology, that he accused the Soviet Russians of doing.
Curious? Damn right!
The killer phrase for Scientology is “Since we’re going to end up in Ethics anyway…”
Once you realize you are screwed regardless of your actions, Ethics loses its power to intimidate and control you. Might as well be hung for a sheep as for a lamb.
Spot on RB. I bet there’s more of this going on than anybody knows about. LOL
I’ve read too many sad things today, so I’m going to give um.. Honey and Babe a happy ending.
Honey and Babe drive of to New Hampshire despite the cold and, after spending some time in town catching up on their entheta viewing, decide to renovate the place and open a bed and breakfast. Happily, New Hampshire has no orgs and after the first recovery team assigned to them blows after long discussions with them, they get declared. By then they don’t care and have reconnected with his family members.
After their first season running the bed and breakfast, they reach affluence and are able to make a sizable donation to some of their favorite Scientology critics, including Mike Rinder and the aftermath foundation. Some money also finds its way to RB, who uses it to publish his first book.
And they all lived happily ever after.
Excellent, Cre8tivemn! I loves me a happy ending, too!
One could only wish….
There have been a number of reports from people who have moved to places where there is no Scientology presence, in order to get away from it without having to actually “blow.” It’s hard to tell if it’s just that few, or if those cases are merely representative of what a significant number of members have done. Some have even fled like that, to escape the hothouse environment of regging and other pressures in Clearwater itself, after having moved there expecting to find “mecca,” and becoming disaffected – one reason the local membership there seems to have remained small, and likely even shrunk.
Family and other connections seem to be the sticking point. Those who go off into refuge often seem to keep up nominal ties such as IAS membership and small donations, in order to avoid being identified as disaffected, declared and disconnected from.
If there are any readers in this situation, it would be great to some details of what it’s really been like.
I”ve wondered about this too. I personally know two families who moved to areas of the United States very far away from any Scientology org or mission. Two families, 10 people.
Cre8tiv – You sure are creative, this is fantastic. I love this happy ending and actually envisioned the B&B.
(((Smile)))
That is a great ending. You got it so right when you wrote, “They all lived happily ever after.”
Not only did they never have to be scammed again. But they donated to Mike R. and so helped shut down the scammers. What a great ending! Well done Cre8tive1.
By the way, I hope you won’t mind. But I used your name and changed it a little to Cre8tive1 to mean “Creative One”. You wrote a great creative ending.
Excellent ! Very funny
Lovely ending for today’s RB, Cre8tivemn! AND all too likely to be true.
“What do you think”. Personally I would get the Hell out of Dodge. RIGHT NOW!
Scientology is evil. It’s ALWAYS been evil. And that will never change.
You are absolutely correct and everyone here knows that. Unfortunately … it is almost impossible for this couple to realize that since they are brainwashed. Mind control is almost impossible to defeat. As several people have recently said, People who don’t want to know don’t look.
Nice RB, Thank you. The end is near for this couple’s $cientology “career” thankfully.
“Honey, maybe I should just sit this one out.”
I tried that. Once I was done with OT VIII, I thought it was a get out of jail free card and that I would never have to go in (or hold the cans) again. My husband was due to go in on his “Refresher” in October of the following year. October was (and maybe still is) a big IAS push month. I told my husband I did not want to come in for a “briefing” or a reg cycle and to give whatever he wanted, that he did not need to call me from the Org and ask me if what he “wanted to donate” was okay, that I honestly did not care, just give what he wanted. That’s how much I wanted nothing to do with these pound pound pound for money incidents. I DID NOT WANT TO GO IN. I had been pounded on enough. I had gone against my own willingness to donate too many times and it had worn me down. IT WAS NOT TO BE. The IAS regges were at my house, calling, asking my husband to ask me to come in for a “briefing.” I managed to avoid them until my husband called me from his cell phone from their IAS office. They had asked him to call me and of course, I answered. He put the IAS reg on the phone and she kept hammering me on “why not,” “why don’t you want to come in?” I kept saying my husband can let me know and he can give what he wants. She pushed and pushed and pushed as to why ’til I finally said, “Because I know what a ‘briefing’ is. You eventually start asking for donations and I did not want to give.” She said “WELL, I’m just going to write a report on you.” To which I replied, FUUUUCKKKK YOOOOOUUUUU!”
Of course, the next day I HAD to go to the MAA (Ethics officer) who dismissed the whole thing as insignificant, only to find myself now being body routed into the IAS office where my husband was and they pounded on us for five hours, once again wearing me down ’til I cried uncle. I used to wonder why they had to have me there until I realized that between my husband and I, I was the one they could wear down and would give huge sums of money “just to make it stop.” It is criminal what this church does to get its members to donate.
I have a dream that the IRS will give a shit about stories like this. The only people shit like this does not happen to are celebrities.
Mary, your comments have me recalling (and cringing) those oft repeated words at the examiner, “would you like others to have the same gains you have?” Of course one has to have ‘VGIs, and acknowledge in the affirmative if they want to get out of there with their soul intact. Sounds like OTVIII (and everything else up to that point) just wasn’t what it was cracked up to be. Glad you are out and here.
Mary, check Tony Ortega today. There *is* something you can do, and that is report your own experiences to the UK department mentioned there. They specifically request info from both UK and non-UK church members.
Mary – wow – thank you for sharing. Fucking crushing people financially. The Registrars did that to us too. I think we need to write it up to the IRS and copy FBI, AG, all Senators, Congessman and Mayor of your City. Tell everyone you know.
I remember, after a session, my class 12 auditor stopping me in the hallway right after I had visited the examiner. A cassette lecture series was going to be released at an event that night, and she wanted to arrange with me that I would buy them from her.
It was such an odd experience. Here was this auditor, trained to the highest level, a person who was supposed to be helping you restore your power of choice, putting you in a situation where you absolutely could not refuse. The sacred relationship of the auditor and preclear that had existed in my mind was damaged beyond repair at that moment over a stupid $146 cassette series I didn’t want, at the Mecca of Technical Perfection.
It was one of the many little trail markers along my path out of Scientology.
The funny thing is that it didn’t come up later as an ARC break or anything like that with her in session the next day.
I had something similar happen. I was told to come in at 8:00 or 9:00 pm for session. I show up right on time, sit down for session and my auditor looks at the clock and says, “Well it’s getting too late for a session, but I’m glad you’re here anyway because there’s something I want to talk to you about outside of session.” Then she proceeded to reg me to buy the latest release from her. It was such a blatant break in the Auditor’s Code. If you promise to deliver a session to a pc, you can’t break that promise. And auditors were supposed to be above money grubbing. They were supposed to be your safe terminals, your confidant. Ha! DM turned them all into registrars and gave them all money quotas. It was a huge betrayal of me by my auditor, the one person who was not supposed to betray you.
Geez, Cindy! That was even worse than what happened to me!
There was a reason that the scientology organization created the position of Registrar. It was to protect that relationship between the auditor and the preclear.
Sitting across from a registrar is an inherently adversarial circumstance. Scientology services cost SOO much that people have to go to extraordinary methods to scrape together enough to continue their auditing and training. The last thing you want to have is an adversarial relationship with an auditor.
The”greatest administrative technology in the world’, the Admin Tech, only works “sort of” when you factor into the business model that you only have to pay your staff about .04-.08 cents on the dollar for their service. And that is on a GOOD week.
So I get why the auditors sell books and tapes: It’s for the book commissions and as a public person, I didn’t want to begrudge my auditor a few bucks as they really needed it. But for the sake of a book or tape sale, the auditor moves into an adversarial relationship and BAM. Game over.
……….. ‘the more curious I become’………..
Right on RB! scientology.org/tv/billboards has succeeded in getting scienos curious, but not in the way that they wanted.
Agreed, that is what they should be curious about, the Aftermath and this Blog rather than the enforced TV about the cult.
If “clearing the planet” is the mission of scientology then will you, David Miscavige (who we know reads Mr. Rinders blog and all the comments), explain to everyone why you as head of the church have given only one public interview in the last 30 or so years. Wouldn’t you want to be out front and center leading the charge?
Also, why isn’t the public welcomed with open arms to all of the scientology new building grand openings? Why are they cordoned off by security with no one allowed in? If you’re a scientologist lurking this page don’t you wonder too?
Also, what good does it do to classify non Scientologist as “wogs”. Aren’t those the very people you would want to attract to scientology so you can help them go clear? The same goes for so called suppressive persons. Isn’t scientology powerful enough to draw some of those people in to a point where they can be properly educated to see the light, wit and wisdom of L Ron Hubbard? I could go on and on. We all know the answers.
Don’t we, Mr Miscavige. By the way, haven’t you overstayed your visa here in the real world? Time for you to pack it in and head back to the Keebler Elf tree to bake some OT 8 cookies … never to be heard from again. ??
FDMIII,
Yeah, now that you mention it, I’m surprised David doesn’t openly embrace the public since he’s supposed to be trying to find the next obi-wan kenobi..,isn’t he?? Especially since his plan is to turn him over to the dark side and install him in the new Ventura .org which has been retrofitted to look like an evil empire vacation home!
Thanks RB,
Missed you last week.
Nice and chilling composition
“Confidential auditing session’….guffaw…
Soon only the whales will be left and everyone else will have run away or been declared for not giving all their money and time to Miscavige.
Kings, Qeens and presidents gets portraite on money. LRH and DM gets portraited on toiletpaper. The way out of the hole is to bring a roll of toilet paper to the ideal org fundraising project.
I think you both should RUN RUN RUN – right to The Aftermath Foundation – and get the help you need.
If you let the crooked SOBs at The Scam get your mother’s inheritence, you both will be sorry until the day you drop your minds and your bodies too.
Spot on RB! Anything divulged in one’s “confidential” sessions is open to anyone. At Flag there are cameras in the auditing rooms. In one session I “confessed” I had a boatload of money I wasn’t telling my reg about. Well, an hour later a reg came up and began pressuring me for money. When I said I had no money as I’d already given them all my savings, the reg hit back with “well, I am totally certain if you looked hard enough you would find it”. I was shocked beyond belief but then recalled the cameras in the room. My jaw dropped and my eyes opened up. Truth revealed!
“Having to hide our money from our church just feels really awkward and weird.”
I can’t imagine being in a religion and saying that. That having been said, I have been in scientology and said something similar to that after my father died. A “friend” coming over to my house to discuss what I was going to inherit shortly after his death was the final shove out the door. And the end of that friendship.
He’s curious? We thought so ….
“An Acceptable Lie”
My new favorite line!!!