IS there an “Indie” place offering the SHSBC? Dwarfenführer’s elimination of THE bastion of KSW was , IMO, probably the most egregious squirrel move he made.
Miscavige said that Hubbard voluntarily left his body, which was in perfect health, on January 24, 1986.
He left out any details, but if it had been filmed, it would have been a profoundly dignified spiritual transcendence. No doubt it was attended by top Sea Orgers and RTCers doing high-level processes.
This is just sad. I’m also a little confused as to what the lure is. It definitely wouldn’t be something I’d want to spend 300,000.00 or more to maybe get to do once or twice…,
What lured me? Understanding humans and their behavior, plus techniques to deal with same humans is what drew me in. Exteriorization was not a lure for me in late 60’s. It happened several times for me and I saw little use being outside a body. Heck I was in this one for sensation and experience.
Later on, and when scientology flopped at giving me any insights into the afterlife and what to expect, I read the Tibetian Book of Living and Dying and more. What I got from them was:
Upon leaving the body there is a period of blackness, this is the self without identity. This is an opportunity to realize you are a nothingness with infinite capabilities. Obviously this has drawbacks; no one to play with, no games, no nothing.
Next you have light come on as you relocate into the spiritual realm, a vast expanse which is delicious. HERE is a lure.
Then some good and bad Deities/Demons appear and try to draw you into one of their games and draw you to something you reacted to, rather than by choice. Probably what the scientology implants and ‘markabs’ are all about. Not good.
If you make it through them then you are free to scan around the physical realm in any time (past, present, future) and location to pick your next lifetime. THIS is a fantastic LURE.
Lastly, You visualize your next lifetime in full and then introvert into the body and the game of living. As long as everything goes as you planned there is no desire to go exterior from what you chose to play. However, once this universe tweaks with you and your ‘game’ then exteriorizing out is a means to escape. Not good.
Then again, maybe it is all illusion.
PS: I wonder if RB is playing a joke on all of us? The golden spheres near the SOrgers heads- and from which they are originating–are really their exterior thetans and both of them are oblivious to the fact that they are exterior while they blabber about it.
Kat,
I can only speak for myself, but I didn’t get into Scientology wanting or expecting super powers. My goals were quite earthly and pedestrian. They still are. 🙂
Aquamarine offered:
“I can only speak for myself, but I didn’t get into Scientology wanting or expecting super powers. My goals were quite earthly and pedestrian. They still are.”
As well, my goals were pedestrian & Earthy: just the Clear and OT powers that Ron Promised so many times, in so many ways. I figured that humans had had them at ONE time, since so many old-time stories/legends spoke of them (and magic) as being ‘real’, so there was a chance scn could deliver the goods. Little did I know, Ron’s real intent was to enslave everyone lured into his trap by those outrageous claims.
Kat offered:
“This is just sad. I’m also a little confused as to what the lure is. It definitely wouldn’t be something I’d want to spend 300,000.00 or more to maybe get to do once or twice…,”
Yes, It IS/was SAD.
But there were smaller carrots early in the con, each just a bit further of a reach, so spending so much wasn’t knowable right at the start. The Pro TRs course was my first step, and “going exterior” while trying to pass that damned 2-hour stare was billed as a ‘taste’ of what we could eventually expect to experience. What *I* wanted was to be able to invisibly invade the school’s girls’ locker room at will.
NEVER.GOING.TO. HAPPEN, I finally realized,
though THAT hasn’t fully sunk in, yet.
Wishful/magical thinking is in our genes, I believe, so is tough to overcome.
I learned early on that such phenomenon were just an alluring illusion. I knew a fair bit about such things from previous study and experience, and was relatively quickly able to determine that Hubbard didn’t have a better handle on them than anyone else. Plus a wise former member who had gone on to other things, pointed out that they were at best a sort of advanced parlor trick that really wouldn’t contribute to a better and more satisfying life as a human being, and were used like the cheese as bait in a mousetrap by people like Hubbard.
Even a genuine ability to exteriorize would be mostly meaningless unless it was part of a whole range of real “OT” abilities. And even then, would such powers really bring us what we desire most, a more fulfilled life including deeper relationships with our fellow human beings? Well, maybe sociopaths and psychopaths desire power and control, thus exposing Hubbard’s real agenda.
Thank you for another amusing/disturbing episode of The Real Housewives of Hemet, RB. As regards these Sea Ogre females you’ve really got the details down – the potty mouth, the tough talk, the flintiness, the inevitable cigarette.
When I got in Scn and started reading the wowie zowie Advance Magazine OT Phenomena wins, it made me want ext with full perception right away. I asked my OT friend who got me in, can you go ext at will and see stuff? She hemmed and hawed and I said then it is a con. She had to keep me in (as she was getting FSM commissions on my services), so she rigged up her own little con. She and I and her two girls went for a hike. We stopped at a certain rocky area she had preselected. She had either had her girls plant some little tidbits up around the rocks, or they carried them in their pockets all the time. Then she told me she went ext or did remote viewing and saw a little flag way across on some rock. So to test it she had her girl hike to that rock and sure enough she brought back a tiny little flag. This was to prove to me that she could do it. It was enough to get me to stop questioning it all. But later I realized that they had conned me and she had that little flag in her pocket the whole time. They should have just been honest with me. I’m not saying in this post that Ext is not possible as I know it is. I have experienced Ext with full perception myself on several occasions. But it didn’t only come wiht Scn. Some of the ext times were BEFORE I ever got in Scn. And no, I can’t do it at will.
Cindy! I’ve experienced exteriorization too. Just like you, both before and after getting into the cult. And like you it never came just because of being in. Fact is I’ve been exterior more times on my own than during any time in session.
One of the more interesting times was when I did TR0 with a friend at his home. He was not a member but was curious. So I drilled him as an introduction. After I flattened a button we both went exterior and we each knew (perceived) we’d done so. I knew that he was exterior, he knew that I was and we both knew the other knew it had happened. Full perception of each other’s experience and state. When I ended off the drill we couldn’t stop talking about it for hours. Just one of the amazing experiences I’ve had “on my own” outside the cult.
FSMs. I too have had the little maggot, bloodsucking liars come after me but never did they go to the length yours did. Despicable, but it sure puts the light of truth on the scam in the end.
Not soon after I got in, I met a person who had finished OTII and he sat me down and he did COACHED TR0 with me and I went exterior. I was able to perform the drill on a couple of non-scientologists who promptly exteriorized and we perceived each other as spiritual beings. One had asked me what I had done. After some explanation, he was sold on scientology and was on board. He eventually made it to OTVIII. I later learned that what I had done was not something that should be done. I still know how to do the drill on anybody to get the same result. People ask how we get sucked in. Experiencing exteriorization will do it. Unfortunately, miscavige has fucked everything up to the degree that there is no longer any reason to take up scientology.
Thanks Peabody. Great to hear you did the same thing as I. First I’ve ever heard of someone else having that same result. It truly was amazing wasn’t it. I wasn’t OT at the time, actually was on Life Repair.
Missy Cabbage fucked everything up so there’s no longer any reason to take up scientology. Spot on and completely agree. But I still to this day use the few truths I did learn and help people improve things in their lives. The dolt can take away everything except personal knowledge. And that knowledge is such a stable datum all he is doing stands out for the bullshit it truly is. The little idiot is cutting his own throat.
I actually experienced exteriorization when I was 8 years old and could do it anytime I wanted. I had no idea what I was doing or what the experience would be called but the feeling was extraordinary. I thought it was something everybody could do so I never thought to talk about it with anyone else except my mother who declared I was full of hops. Needless to say, the ability vanished. Years later, I read something of hubbard who talked about it and I thought that this was the guy I needed to hook up with to rehabilitate that ability. After many years and spending a fortune, I disabused myself of the idea that scientology would be of any help. Scientology was fun in the beginning and being around scientologists was amazing especially when we could mutually experience things that most people would consider as complete unreality. I was a public and I was never exposed to the abuses of hubbard or miscavige which has come to light in the last several years. When I decided to leave, I did so with no public announcement nor fanfare. As a final observation, I would say that it does no good to attack any system of belief but, rather, attack the abuse perpetrated by any system of belief.
Peabody, if we ever get to meet in person, I’d gladly take you up on that. I’d like to compare the experience to what I’ve been doing on my own since I was 8 or so. It would be instructive.
I’m a never-in and am never going to get sucked in, so no fear.
Too bad Scientology is so anti-psychotropic drugs. That would help a lot for exteriorization. As a matter of fact, psilocybin mushrooms are legal in Colorado. The Denver Org/public parking lot could start a pilot program to see if The Bridge to Total Freedom is made out of fungus.
My friend’s son went schizophrenic at 17 just after eating what was back in the day called “psychedelic” mushrooms together with his older brother. They both got high. The older one came down from the high; the younger went full blown nuts and had to be taken to the psych ward. Very likely this extremely adverse reaction to “magic mushrooms” was atypical. I suppose just exactly how any such substances will affect a person would depend entirely upon individual body chemistry.
I have been remiss in that I have never said anything to you about your stories. IMHO, they are truly a valuable component of Mike’s blog and I am proud of the job you do to open peoples’ eyes as to just how insidious or insipid (I’m not sure which word best describes this scam). But you do a great job and when this scam finally implodes and the monster is handcuffed and led off to the penitentiary, we really should have some kind of party to celebrate the great job you’ve done. I don’t know whereabouts you live. If it’s not too far away from me, I’d love to come and buy you a drink (or two) or more. If it is too far for me to be able to travel there, I’d like to send Mike some money to pay for you to have a drink (or something similar in case you don’t drink). In any case, I feel you sure do deserves some recognition for the wonderful job you do.
Maybe Mike and Leah might have an episode on their show in which they could feature you and some of the stories you have written. I sure would love to see such an episode.
P.S. the word is “insidious”
insidious – adjective
intended to entrap or beguile: an insidious plan.
stealthily treacherous or deceitful: an insidious enemy.
operating or proceeding in an inconspicuous or seemingly harmless way but actually with grave effect: an insidious disease.
insipid – adjective
adjective: insipid = lacking flavor.
“mugs of insipid coffee”
synonyms: tasteless, flavorless, unflavored, savourless, bland, weak, thin, watery, watered-down, unappetizing, unpalatable; More
informalwishy-washy;
datedwersh
“they drank endless mugs of insipid coffee”
antonyms: tasty
lacking vigor or interest.
“many artists continued to churn out insipid, shallow works”
synonyms: uninteresting, boring, vapid, dull, spiritless, zestless, bloodless, lifeless, characterless, lacking personality, lacking charisma, anemic, wishy-washy, pathetic; More
ordinary, commonplace, middle-of-the-road, run-of-the mill, not amounting to much
“a rather insipid little boy”
unimaginative, uninspired, uninspiring, characterless, flat, bland, vapid, uninteresting, unexciting, lackluster, lusterless, dull, prosaic, boring, monotonous, tedious, wearisome, dry, dry as dust, jejune, humdrum, run-of-the-mill, commonplace, pedestrian, trite, banal, tired, hackneyed, stale, lame, tame, poor, inadequate, halfhearted, bloodless, sterile, anemic, barren;
informalhacky;
informalcommon or garden
“many artists continued to churn out insipid works”
antonyms: interesting, imaginative
Origin
early 17th century: from French insipide or late Latin insipidus, from in- ‘not’ + sapidus (see sapid).
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Very sorry. I tried to remove the verbose description of “insipid” at the end of my post. If you catch this, please delete the definition of “insipid”. I tried but it told me, “You can no longer edit this post.”
Fred has only “donated” $300,000 and that is just not enough to buy the required status.
Of course, no one ever told Fred that the amount required is computed differently for each person. It starts at 80 percent of the total they have donated so far. So, Fred needs to donate another $60,000 in order to get the status.
But, another thing no one has told Fred is that if he doesn’t fork it over all at once and right away, the amount gets recalculated. So when he finally coughs up the remaining $60,000, he will be told that the “current rate” has increased to $372,000 and so he will need to fork over another $12,000 right away before he can get the status.
Of course there is no end to this game. No matter how much money he pays, it will never be enough. The brilliant formulae concocted by the Regs ensure Fred will keep paying and paying long after he winds up in the grave. Surely no one would ever expect that this scam would ever release poor Fred from their clutches. That just the way life unfolds when you are in the scam.
Say a prayer for poor Fred. He is essentially doomed. Doomed for making the mistake of joining this scam. Poor Fred.
The punchline is that the ‘R2-45 rundown’ is getting shot through the head with a pistol, so if it came to it he’d probably take the view it was a good thing he didn’t have the status for that!
Honest question — legitimately not trying to troll:
What is the purpose of ‘exteriorizing’? Is there some sort of emotional benefit to it, or do people want to do it because they think they can exert power over the physical realm, or what?
It seems (to me, from an outsider’s perspective) like it would just be another mental trap, something that’s virtually unattainable. And if you did happen to pull it off, it would be kind of like, ‘what’s next?’
OSD stated so succinctly:
“What is the purpose of exterioizing? Really? It’s so. you can see naked girls in the showers. Man, I thought everyone knew that.”
DANG! beat me to it.
Upon escaping, I realized that exterior, we could move anywhere in space AND TIME at will. Would work wonders at the track or playing the lottery.
As long as everything goes as you planned there is no desire to go exterior from what you chose to play ..
real exteriorization would mean that you are out .. and if you fail to agree with your current location you would be 100.000 miles away in a second. You would be probably unable to find back planet Earth, and also your body. You would get a complete ARC break with everything too.
The main purpose for me was to prove to myself that I wasn’t a body.
Suppose you were born and lived in a car and never ventured out from it. The moment you did, I suppose, would convince yourself that you were not a car.
Good one, Peabody. When exteriorizing (twice, not at will, not in session, quite by accident or whatever) I did know that “I” was not a body, that I was I, and I had a body. I saw it there, and knew it wasn’t me. It sounds so hokey to talk about it like this but that was my experience – I wasn’t my body, I had always existed and always would exist. I wasn’t my body.
And by the way, I LIKE having a body. I always have. I’m pro-body 🙂
But it was nice to experience, and to be able to recall afterward that my body wasn’t – isn’t “me”.
Especially on humid days like this when my hair frizzes as soon as I step outside after having just spent 20 minutes blow-drying it straight.
(I think its time to inject a little levity injected into this very serious subject.)
dg,
I can only speak for myself but my 2 times exteriorizing I didn’t experience being “powerful” or “able to control”.. Power and control, abilities, etc. had nothing to do with it. Instead, it was more an absence of those things. I didn’t need anything or want anything. I wasn’t thinking about anything or anyone and I wasn’t feeling anything . Hard to describe, but both times, all of a sudden, it was just this quiet, serene, wordless…calmness. Look, I know that’s SO inadequate! And I’ll probably infuriate you even further by repeating once more that it was very nice!
Thanks for explaining how it affected you — the way you described the ‘absence’ and contentment is really interesting, kind of a meditative experience.
DG – Honestly the best I’ve gathered from those I’ve spoken with is that similar to the beginnings of scientology when you first go into that semi-trance state (which for many feels like a level of relaxation they’ve never been able to attain as you’re letting down all your guards, emotionally) is that the whole going exterior phenomena is similar to that on a deeper level. You see things, yourself in particular, as though you’re outside of yourself and it just feels very profound. Similar to what some describe as a near-death experience. Also quite similar to what many describe feeling when using shrooms or LSD…
I’ve asked a couple people involved in psychology and psychiatry and it’s essentially a more extreme form of disassociation and depending on one’s mental health history, etc. can actually trigger psychosis in certain people.
Now one of these people was very into spiritualism, New Age, etc. and said he had experienced that, but also had the education later in life to study what the brain does and was able to articulate, “while I understand the desire and thrill… it’s a dangerous place in general to be ‘on command’ but especially so when it’s being directed by any high-control group and creates a similar dependence as would a drug addict to their dealer…”
So being that this was someone who believed and experienced a lot of things I might consider “out there” and was generally a very non-judgmental person… that was pretty powerful to hear!
The point about disassociation and mental health is really interesting. It reminds me of hearing some survivors of traumatic experiences talk about how they felt like they were outside of their bodies during their trauma, and the long-term effects.
Maybe that message of ‘disassociation as unhealthy’ that I’ve heard is playing into my skepticism.
George, it also explains why Scientology has lots of case of people going “PTS Type III psychotic” – in trying to push people in ways that can result in “exteriorization” or, actually, disassociation, they’re playing with fire and a certain number will get pushed too far and go into full-blown psychosis.
Yes, dg! Perhaps it would be best to not generalize about exteriorization. What for some could be nice exteriorization experiences could for others be totally ill advised nightmares with lasting, harmful repercussions.
Let’s assume exteriorization is possible. The question to ask is: what would that do for you? What spiritual growth would you achieve by doing a parlor trick like that? Would you want to exteriorize because it gave you power over others? So how would that make you a more compassionate, more enlightened being? The Buddha, for one, warned against seeking “special powers” like this. They’re diversions from practicing the way to real spiritual knowledge.
I’m a never in. I used to have dreams that I was flying, that I could just jump up just glide around in the air above other mortals. In short, they were dreams of power, but that’s all they were: dreams, all about ME.
Great one today RB. I also am curious as to did they remove the EP of Ext from the list of gains? There is one L where Ron says on tape that he wouldn’t let people leave attest to that L completion and leave the Ship until they were stably exterior with full perception. Is that now taken off as an EP?
Oh and I think SOP in Scn stands for “Standard Opening Procedure” instead of standard operating procedure.
RB, my new phone number is 714-929-6511. I’m retired now, hence the change. Would love to hear from you! It’s been awhile. I’d also like your take on Trump. I look forward to hearing from you.
This is President Trump. It isn’t necessary for you to hear what Regraded Being’s take on me is even though I know he thinks very highly of me and whatever he would tell you would be flattering.
But because it would him too long to cover how great Trump is and why – I mean, RB and I go back a VERY long way, OK? And he knows every wonderful thing there is to know about Trump. And by the way he might even get mad at me for not giving him the chance to compile the full list himself – all the qualities he and everyone in America, Europe and world except the Fake News Media love and admire about me. He might even get mad at me for taking his thunder away like this. But RB is my good friend and an extremely busy guy with hardly any executive time, so take my word that everything he’ll tell you about me will add up to Trump being terrific in every way, OK? Here it is in a nutshell: Trump = Terrific.
OK, so I bet you didn’t know POTUS follows this blog. Well, it a fact, and do you know why? Its because Trump loves all ex-Scientologists and all ex-Scientologists love Trump. Good luck hearing THAT from the Fake News Media! UNFAIR!
Well, I know how flattered you must be by this attention, and how interesting it is for you, and all uneducated people like you, when I talk about myself like this, OK?
El Wrong Hubturd couldn’t himself demonstrate exterior with perception. Being a bad caricature of Barnum, Hubturd would not have been able to resist showing off if he could do so if only for the riches it would have brought him.
Thanks RB,
I have done every bit of the bridge too.Still cannot exteriorize which was the only reason i joined.Never heard of someone else either except JD,SP,etc in 1975 Advance magazines succes stories.
Apparently these two gals in today’s Regraded Being missed reading Mike’s recent post on the ‘L Rundowns’. There’s the answer for Fred. Reg the poor bastard to do the L’s (https://www.mikerindersblog.org/l12-scientology-hype/). That will blow him three feet behind his head for sure. Any Fool knows that!
Oh, and while they are at it, the reg might as well reg Fred for a few ‘intensives’ to handle Fred’s ‘MUs’, false data, hidden standards, etc. Throw in a bit of ‘sec checking’ to take care of those nasty ‘overts’ regarding talking about his ‘case’ and for good measure make sure that he moves up a few status levels in the IAS. If that doesn’t disassociate him from reality I don’t know what will.
RB. Spot on. It precisely describes what I experienced in my decades on the bridge to nowhere. And just like Fred I didn’t talk about any of my disappointing experiences. Well until the end when I began to ask some of the most highly trained auditors and staff when I might achieve my goal. The wishy washy answers I always got cinched the deal and I walked out. Finally saw the truth and didn’t have to pay for and struggle through their fucking rundown that promised such. Glad I am out and so so proud too.
Yep! Popping out of your head is easy! All you have to do is say, ‘Presto change-o! I’m out of my fucking head!’ Then, do a little dance & sing a song. You’ll be out of your mind before you know it.
Now, is that easy or what!!!! Man, I’m good! Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!
LSD might do it. Why should the psyches have all the fun? Scientology has resisted them for a long time and the switch around is due. A new process maybe, LSD cris cross?
If it were possible for anyone to actually “exteriorize”, there are several ways they could throw much of the world into chaos.
As I understand it, being able to “exteriorize” would be almost the same as being able to become invisible. I suppose the main difference is that people who “exteriorized” couldn’t touch or feel objects and they would not have control over their body. So they couldn’t move objects or steal money or bump into people or get a gun and shoot people or anything like that.
Remember that episode of The Twilight Zone about someone who got a camera that took pictures that revealed the scene sometime in the future? They could take a picture of a racetrack result board and it would show the contents some fixed time (like 2 or 3 minutes) into the future. So the camera owner could bet money on a race and be guaranteed to win because they knew which horse won the race a few minutes before the race was even run.
Well, similar events could be staged concerning stock prices or commodity prices and so someone who could really exteriorize could amass millions or billions of dollars and throw many of the world’s financial markets and institutions into turmoil. The result would be akin to the big stock market crash of 1929. The entire world could be thrown into a state of chaos so that one person could live “high on the hog”.
Isn’t that a ridiculous concept? If anyone could really “exteriorize” themselves, the entire world would be in danger of spinning into some of the biggest disasters we have ever seen.
Since nothing like that has ever happened (yet), I think it’s a pretty safe bet that the idea of people “exteriorizing” is just a shabby trick designed to separate whales from their money and put that money into the pockets of monsters like COBarf!
Skyler sez:
“If it were possible for anyone to actually “exteriorize”, there are several ways they could throw much of the world into chaos… Since nothing like that has ever happened (yet), I think it’s a pretty safe bet that the idea of people “exteriorizing” is just a shabby trick…”
Well Skyler, I’ve got news for you. This HAS happened and it has actually been made into a Hollywood movie based to the life and works of L. Ron Hubbard. I’m pretty sure that this is not authorized by RTC Capt’n COB David ‘Goatee’ Miscavige but the story is out for all the world to see nonetheless.
Thank you for that Ms. B. Haven. I never saw the film, “The Men Who Stare at Goats”. I passed on it because it got an IMDB rating of 6.2 which is a little low.
But here is a link to the WIKI entry in case anyone is interested in reading about it.
Think about the bullet that I dodged. This all reminds me of the time Wayback win in a certain decade I don’t even want to say because they might go digging through their Scientology files that I had read the Dianetics book and was curious about it and visited the Scientology whatever you wanna call it center in Ventura California and was exposed to the complete whack job scenario that Scientology is. After two visits there and also being pressured to sign a bunch of documents in microscopic Print I got the hell out of there. It was such an insanely bizarre experience I actually should write a short story about what I remember. It left and indelible impact on my memory and forever since I have been fascinated with following the depravations of the sick and twisted called. It was such an insanely bizarre experience I actually should write a short story about what I remember. It left and indelible impact on my memory and forever since I have been fascinated with following the depravations of the second twisted cult. The advent of the Internet was exactly what I needed to do the big deep dive into it all. So here I am decades later enjoying following Mike render in the aftermath and the myriad of videos and interviews and websites that delve into the insanity of this group. This weekly cartoon strip regraded being is simply awesome. I do wonder what is ever going to become of David Miscavige. He has always reminded me of one of those flying monkey creatures from the witches Castle in the Wizard of Oz.
If you ever decide to write a short story – even if it’s just to memorialize your experience, I’d like to suggest a message board where people tell about their experiences with this scam.
Before you read about this board, I want to tell you that this is not the place to post your story if you ever might want to have it published as a short story and make some money by so doing. Whatever people post on this board is done for free. You would never get any money for having written about your experiences on this board.
OK. Here it is: There is a message board called “Ex Scamologists Message Board”. I suppose it is very likely that you may already know about this board. But if not, they would likely welcome any story you would like to post there. If you do not already know about this board, perhaps you may like to browse through some of the stories that other people have posted there so that you can get a feel for whether or not your story would be compatible with this message board.
Regardless of what you decide, I wish you the very best and I also want to congratulate you for getting out as quickly as you did. Very well done!
Yes, that would be an incredible story – human being walks into Scientology Org 20 years ago, doesn’t buy a book, walks out again, experience leaves huge mental scar, suddenly realizes there is a TV program and a blog where her incredible story can be posted. Incredible! Can’t wait for the next instalment! Does she then walk down the road and buy a coffee at Starbucks? What will occur next? You couldn’t make it up!
Wow – what an intro you had to scientology! Glad you didn’t get sucked in and got to see the scary side straight away. Husband & I also had a brief but impactful intro to scientology. We didn’t join, but hubs worked for a scio-owned (managed by LRH admin tech via “WISE”) company & heavily recruited for almost a year. So similar to you, I’m forever interested in watching what happens & praying for vindication for the many exes who’ve been hurt by the co$! Glad you’re here!
R2-45 Rundown only issued by the man himself , COB…love it…that Rundown will get you exterior and into the next body toot sweet! Keep up the great work RB.
I was out of town and am catching up now with the NEWS about Scientology. REAL NEWS thanks to MIKE RINDER. Great one RB! Love it.
Re: May 10 post – STAND – another HATE promoting, FEAR mongering propaganda arm feeding the clubbed sheeple reasons to hate and a subject (THE PSYCHS) to focus on while they are getting fleeced and ruined… compliments of Scientology.
I commented to FOOLPROOF on another thread here and felt it was worthy re-posting again. I added to it too. Scientology is a master at Gas Lighting. I think it sums up a lot about Scientology and Scientologists.
Scientology claims to be a “science”. In fact, it claims to be the “Science of knowing how to know” but really it is a science of knowing how to NOT know due to L Ron’s policies to not look and the heavy ethics handling s if you look and investigate Scientology, Hubbard or Miscavige. If you look – you will leave. That is the purpose of THOSE policies and punishments – to keep you in the dark so you will keep giving your money and free labor to the cult.
Scientology is based on BELIEF just like every other religion.
Science – one can go outside the arena – test it – it works.
One cannot go outside of Scientology and test the false and decietful promises made by Hubbard and Scientology. You can’t “Go Clear and Stay Clear or any obtain and keep any of the other covertly promised “levels of awareness”. It is all fraud and deceit. You have to keep feeding yourself the lies. You have to disconnect from “NON BELIEVERS” who Scientology deem SP’s – Hitler types.
Can I see BEE TEE’s and Cluster’s under a microscope?
Where is the proof of XENU? CLEARS? OTS? EXPANSION?
Just because you believe in XENU and the BT’s and CLUSTERS… does not make them real.
It makes you, the Scientologists, who paid to BELIEVE – delusional.
ISIS martyrs who flew planes into the World Trade Center “believed” they were going to have 91 (or whatever amount) “virgins” for giving up their lives for the cause. They were following their “scriptures”.
Apparently, hard core radical Muslims feel fucking a bunch of virgins for eternity is extremely spiritual. We all know that is CRAZY and fucked up. But not any crazier than the Scientologist who believes they can leave their body at will and do shit. The Scientologists who is told they will get rid of their reactive mind – erase it…only to find out you don’t. You don’t get CLEAR – you have to control your reactive mind. Then there is XENU. Donating money without asking to see where the money is spent. STUPID Scientologists.
Scientologists are not able to think for themselves. While they learn early on to constantly wax enthusiasm for their “wins” while they go broke, get multiple divorces, experience a lifetime of financial ruin, shattered relationships, become “pan determined” instead of self determined due to “WHAT WOULD RON DO” policies which tell the clubbed seal what to think, how to behave and what to do – even if it is outdated (telex and newspaper to clean windows) and does not work (anyone who criticizes Ron Hubbard, Scientology David Miscavige – is an SP – like HITLER – so disconnect and destroy utterly. THATS.FUCKED.UP
Scientologists cannot think for themselves and are in such a chronic state of fear – they believe whatever “the Fuhrer” tells them to believe. (David Miscavige). Just lopk at Tom Cruise. Shattered relationships all over the World and yet he continues IN Scientology.
Scientologists believe what ever the upper management (David Miscavitge) lies are fed to them. They won’t look or investigate Scientology or the leader because it is a HIGH CRIME and against policy. They have been conditioned.
This is PAVLOV’S THEORY.
This is A=A=A
Investigating Scientology is such a horrible crime they could lose their “Clear Cert” or their OT Eligibility or lose their family and job.
Some of the Scientology LIES:
“We are expanding” If Scientology was expanding – they would see PEOPLE. Not rocket science here folks (lurkers and OSA) . Just fucking LOOK!
Scientologists train to lie to others, lie to themselves.
The Scientologist identity is arrogant and righteous. WHY – they have to survive or they will lose their money on account, (no refunds), lose their family still in (they got them in), don’t want to be wrong about Scientology not working (hurts the ego). Scientologists have been manipulated into believing whatever Scientology does is GOOD and they don’t question.
L Ron Hubbard calls it “INSOUCIENT”! “TOTAL CERTAINTY”!
Scientologists lose their true identities.
The Scientologists are in a constant state of fear due to implanted conspiracy theories and chasing carrots on a stick while dismantling their identities and lives donning the “cult identity”.
Scientologists actually become so confused – they reach for the green vols, red vols and book they can find to answer the most basic questions on how to clean windows and other human tricks.
The Scientological TRAPS?
Money on account to rid themselves of the “reactive mind”.
Which – they don’t rid themselves of ever.
Watch a CLEAR – they get sick, wear glasses, lpse hearing, get diseases and die, commit suicide, financial ruin, can’t think for themselves, fake enthusiasm, go broke, divorce – they are still human yet they think they have super powers. They pretend.
They have to realize they mocked the whole reactive mind up. They have to say they can stop it.
They better stop it – Ron is counting on them. The letter Ron writes to CLEARS.
Scientologists get friends and families in because the implanted idea of “man is basically good” and “do you want anyone else to have the amazing wins?” is a form of mind control and covertly asked question asked after each service or they can’t move on.
Wins you could have gotten for FREE reading books at the Library: Napolean Hill, Wayne Dwyer, The Secret and hundreds of thousands of books written by others.
You can get some of the same manifestations of the mind by meditating. Hubbard uses TR’s as parlor tricks to make it seem spiritual. Staring into someone’s eyes for hours and hours will play tricks on the mind. Scientologists believe something spiritual is happening. I hallucinated and thought I exteriorized.
Fearing what SP may be in their vicinity, Scientologists live lonely, isolated lives except for the group propaganda feeding parties they have at their morgues.
I have done my research and have concluded that Scientologists live in a chronic state of FEAR. They actually lose touch with reality and reach levels of insanity only reached by normal Homo Saps.
What do you do with shingles’s? Throw them at each other? I mean, it doesn’t seem that throwing shingles around wouldn’t be fun to do. Man… I’m so confused.
Irony Alert:
Scientology’s CODE OF A SCIENTOLOGIST asserts that all people have the right to comment on and write about whatever they wish to, with whomever they wish to. The
Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which the church says it supports, has similar provisions. Of course, all of that is contradicted by numerous scientology books, lectures, courses, and policy letters that prohibit free speech and public discourse, dissent, and/or protest..and its decades-long, international efforts to utterly destroy those who publicly challenge or criticize its policies and actions.
Similar to the way I fish. I present flies and lures which represent a good feed and survival for fish. The reality of it is, it is intentionally reversed, just like Scientology’s promises.
Similar to the way I fish. I present flies and lures which represent good survival and an easy feed for fish. The reality of it is, it is intentionally the opposite, just like all of Scientology’s promises.
Wow! I think after perusing the rambling drivel above I’d say that the only one in FEAR (your capitals) is you! If none of it was true or worked then why are you spending so much verbiage on trying to convince others of your claims? The horrible irony (for you) is, is that deep down you know it works, but this is why you spend so much time hoping to convince others it doesn’t.
“…RB nails the jaded, cynical, jargon-spouting dedicated Sea Ogre valence”. Exactly right, Mark. I just commented on this. You said it better than I did.
All these deluded,hypnotized $cientologists, appear to me, to consider themselves self made people. In that case, it relieves The Almighty of a dreadful responsibility.
IS there an “Indie” place offering the SHSBC? Dwarfenführer’s elimination of THE bastion of KSW was , IMO, probably the most egregious squirrel move he made.
Miscavige said that Hubbard voluntarily left his body, which was in perfect health, on January 24, 1986.
He left out any details, but if it had been filmed, it would have been a profoundly dignified spiritual transcendence. No doubt it was attended by top Sea Orgers and RTCers doing high-level processes.
If two indegriences hadn’t existed the planet had been cleared.
1. Money
2. Church of Scientology.
Fred? Barney? Betty? Where’s Wilma? It’s Piltdown man time again, Yabbadabba doo!
This is just sad. I’m also a little confused as to what the lure is. It definitely wouldn’t be something I’d want to spend 300,000.00 or more to maybe get to do once or twice…,
Kat
Hi Kat,
What lured me? Understanding humans and their behavior, plus techniques to deal with same humans is what drew me in. Exteriorization was not a lure for me in late 60’s. It happened several times for me and I saw little use being outside a body. Heck I was in this one for sensation and experience.
Later on, and when scientology flopped at giving me any insights into the afterlife and what to expect, I read the Tibetian Book of Living and Dying and more. What I got from them was:
Upon leaving the body there is a period of blackness, this is the self without identity. This is an opportunity to realize you are a nothingness with infinite capabilities. Obviously this has drawbacks; no one to play with, no games, no nothing.
Next you have light come on as you relocate into the spiritual realm, a vast expanse which is delicious. HERE is a lure.
Then some good and bad Deities/Demons appear and try to draw you into one of their games and draw you to something you reacted to, rather than by choice. Probably what the scientology implants and ‘markabs’ are all about. Not good.
If you make it through them then you are free to scan around the physical realm in any time (past, present, future) and location to pick your next lifetime. THIS is a fantastic LURE.
Lastly, You visualize your next lifetime in full and then introvert into the body and the game of living. As long as everything goes as you planned there is no desire to go exterior from what you chose to play. However, once this universe tweaks with you and your ‘game’ then exteriorizing out is a means to escape. Not good.
Then again, maybe it is all illusion.
PS: I wonder if RB is playing a joke on all of us? The golden spheres near the SOrgers heads- and from which they are originating–are really their exterior thetans and both of them are oblivious to the fact that they are exterior while they blabber about it.
Or sometimes you just see friends.
Or go straight to the light.
Kat,
I can only speak for myself, but I didn’t get into Scientology wanting or expecting super powers. My goals were quite earthly and pedestrian. They still are. 🙂
Aquamarine offered:
“I can only speak for myself, but I didn’t get into Scientology wanting or expecting super powers. My goals were quite earthly and pedestrian. They still are.”
As well, my goals were pedestrian & Earthy: just the Clear and OT powers that Ron Promised so many times, in so many ways. I figured that humans had had them at ONE time, since so many old-time stories/legends spoke of them (and magic) as being ‘real’, so there was a chance scn could deliver the goods. Little did I know, Ron’s real intent was to enslave everyone lured into his trap by those outrageous claims.
Kat offered:
“This is just sad. I’m also a little confused as to what the lure is. It definitely wouldn’t be something I’d want to spend 300,000.00 or more to maybe get to do once or twice…,”
Yes, It IS/was SAD.
But there were smaller carrots early in the con, each just a bit further of a reach, so spending so much wasn’t knowable right at the start. The Pro TRs course was my first step, and “going exterior” while trying to pass that damned 2-hour stare was billed as a ‘taste’ of what we could eventually expect to experience. What *I* wanted was to be able to invisibly invade the school’s girls’ locker room at will.
NEVER.GOING.TO. HAPPEN, I finally realized,
though THAT hasn’t fully sunk in, yet.
Wishful/magical thinking is in our genes, I believe, so is tough to overcome.
I learned early on that such phenomenon were just an alluring illusion. I knew a fair bit about such things from previous study and experience, and was relatively quickly able to determine that Hubbard didn’t have a better handle on them than anyone else. Plus a wise former member who had gone on to other things, pointed out that they were at best a sort of advanced parlor trick that really wouldn’t contribute to a better and more satisfying life as a human being, and were used like the cheese as bait in a mousetrap by people like Hubbard.
Even a genuine ability to exteriorize would be mostly meaningless unless it was part of a whole range of real “OT” abilities. And even then, would such powers really bring us what we desire most, a more fulfilled life including deeper relationships with our fellow human beings? Well, maybe sociopaths and psychopaths desire power and control, thus exposing Hubbard’s real agenda.
That’s a hard-hitting expose’ of the reality, RB.
Thank you for another amusing/disturbing episode of The Real Housewives of Hemet, RB. As regards these Sea Ogre females you’ve really got the details down – the potty mouth, the tough talk, the flintiness, the inevitable cigarette.
What if you go exterior, but can’t get back in? Has that ever happened?
Oh yeah, Hubbard
Yeah, but, you see I want to see hot babes while exterior. It’s my life’s dream!
Well, you have your dreams and I have mine. I always wanted to have Superman’s x-ray vision. However, I guess our goals are the same.
Yes, it’s called death.
Yes, it does happen. There is/was? a rundown which handled that.
When I got in Scn and started reading the wowie zowie Advance Magazine OT Phenomena wins, it made me want ext with full perception right away. I asked my OT friend who got me in, can you go ext at will and see stuff? She hemmed and hawed and I said then it is a con. She had to keep me in (as she was getting FSM commissions on my services), so she rigged up her own little con. She and I and her two girls went for a hike. We stopped at a certain rocky area she had preselected. She had either had her girls plant some little tidbits up around the rocks, or they carried them in their pockets all the time. Then she told me she went ext or did remote viewing and saw a little flag way across on some rock. So to test it she had her girl hike to that rock and sure enough she brought back a tiny little flag. This was to prove to me that she could do it. It was enough to get me to stop questioning it all. But later I realized that they had conned me and she had that little flag in her pocket the whole time. They should have just been honest with me. I’m not saying in this post that Ext is not possible as I know it is. I have experienced Ext with full perception myself on several occasions. But it didn’t only come wiht Scn. Some of the ext times were BEFORE I ever got in Scn. And no, I can’t do it at will.
Cindy! I’ve experienced exteriorization too. Just like you, both before and after getting into the cult. And like you it never came just because of being in. Fact is I’ve been exterior more times on my own than during any time in session.
One of the more interesting times was when I did TR0 with a friend at his home. He was not a member but was curious. So I drilled him as an introduction. After I flattened a button we both went exterior and we each knew (perceived) we’d done so. I knew that he was exterior, he knew that I was and we both knew the other knew it had happened. Full perception of each other’s experience and state. When I ended off the drill we couldn’t stop talking about it for hours. Just one of the amazing experiences I’ve had “on my own” outside the cult.
FSMs. I too have had the little maggot, bloodsucking liars come after me but never did they go to the length yours did. Despicable, but it sure puts the light of truth on the scam in the end.
Not soon after I got in, I met a person who had finished OTII and he sat me down and he did COACHED TR0 with me and I went exterior. I was able to perform the drill on a couple of non-scientologists who promptly exteriorized and we perceived each other as spiritual beings. One had asked me what I had done. After some explanation, he was sold on scientology and was on board. He eventually made it to OTVIII. I later learned that what I had done was not something that should be done. I still know how to do the drill on anybody to get the same result. People ask how we get sucked in. Experiencing exteriorization will do it. Unfortunately, miscavige has fucked everything up to the degree that there is no longer any reason to take up scientology.
Thanks Peabody. Great to hear you did the same thing as I. First I’ve ever heard of someone else having that same result. It truly was amazing wasn’t it. I wasn’t OT at the time, actually was on Life Repair.
Missy Cabbage fucked everything up so there’s no longer any reason to take up scientology. Spot on and completely agree. But I still to this day use the few truths I did learn and help people improve things in their lives. The dolt can take away everything except personal knowledge. And that knowledge is such a stable datum all he is doing stands out for the bullshit it truly is. The little idiot is cutting his own throat.
I actually experienced exteriorization when I was 8 years old and could do it anytime I wanted. I had no idea what I was doing or what the experience would be called but the feeling was extraordinary. I thought it was something everybody could do so I never thought to talk about it with anyone else except my mother who declared I was full of hops. Needless to say, the ability vanished. Years later, I read something of hubbard who talked about it and I thought that this was the guy I needed to hook up with to rehabilitate that ability. After many years and spending a fortune, I disabused myself of the idea that scientology would be of any help. Scientology was fun in the beginning and being around scientologists was amazing especially when we could mutually experience things that most people would consider as complete unreality. I was a public and I was never exposed to the abuses of hubbard or miscavige which has come to light in the last several years. When I decided to leave, I did so with no public announcement nor fanfare. As a final observation, I would say that it does no good to attack any system of belief but, rather, attack the abuse perpetrated by any system of belief.
Great post, Peabody. Terrific in every way, seriously.
Peabody there never was a good reason to get sucked into scamology. It was a criminal scam from day one. Miscavige simply stripped away the glitter.
THAT is why the Indie field died. Even with no Big, Bad CoS attacking them there was nothing there to build on.
Peabody, if we ever get to meet in person, I’d gladly take you up on that. I’d like to compare the experience to what I’ve been doing on my own since I was 8 or so. It would be instructive.
I’m a never-in and am never going to get sucked in, so no fear.
Interesting account of an FSM resorting to parlor tricks like a fake psychic medium or fortune teller, thanks for that.
Too bad Scientology is so anti-psychotropic drugs. That would help a lot for exteriorization. As a matter of fact, psilocybin mushrooms are legal in Colorado. The Denver Org/public parking lot could start a pilot program to see if The Bridge to Total Freedom is made out of fungus.
Okay, that’s hilarious!!
My friend’s son went schizophrenic at 17 just after eating what was back in the day called “psychedelic” mushrooms together with his older brother. They both got high. The older one came down from the high; the younger went full blown nuts and had to be taken to the psych ward. Very likely this extremely adverse reaction to “magic mushrooms” was atypical. I suppose just exactly how any such substances will affect a person would depend entirely upon individual body chemistry.
Hello RB,
I have been remiss in that I have never said anything to you about your stories. IMHO, they are truly a valuable component of Mike’s blog and I am proud of the job you do to open peoples’ eyes as to just how insidious or insipid (I’m not sure which word best describes this scam). But you do a great job and when this scam finally implodes and the monster is handcuffed and led off to the penitentiary, we really should have some kind of party to celebrate the great job you’ve done. I don’t know whereabouts you live. If it’s not too far away from me, I’d love to come and buy you a drink (or two) or more. If it is too far for me to be able to travel there, I’d like to send Mike some money to pay for you to have a drink (or something similar in case you don’t drink). In any case, I feel you sure do deserves some recognition for the wonderful job you do.
Maybe Mike and Leah might have an episode on their show in which they could feature you and some of the stories you have written. I sure would love to see such an episode.
P.S. the word is “insidious”
insidious – adjective
intended to entrap or beguile: an insidious plan.
stealthily treacherous or deceitful: an insidious enemy.
operating or proceeding in an inconspicuous or seemingly harmless way but actually with grave effect: an insidious disease.
insipid – adjective
adjective: insipid = lacking flavor.
“mugs of insipid coffee”
synonyms: tasteless, flavorless, unflavored, savourless, bland, weak, thin, watery, watered-down, unappetizing, unpalatable; More
informalwishy-washy;
datedwersh
“they drank endless mugs of insipid coffee”
antonyms: tasty
lacking vigor or interest.
“many artists continued to churn out insipid, shallow works”
synonyms: uninteresting, boring, vapid, dull, spiritless, zestless, bloodless, lifeless, characterless, lacking personality, lacking charisma, anemic, wishy-washy, pathetic; More
ordinary, commonplace, middle-of-the-road, run-of-the mill, not amounting to much
“a rather insipid little boy”
unimaginative, uninspired, uninspiring, characterless, flat, bland, vapid, uninteresting, unexciting, lackluster, lusterless, dull, prosaic, boring, monotonous, tedious, wearisome, dry, dry as dust, jejune, humdrum, run-of-the-mill, commonplace, pedestrian, trite, banal, tired, hackneyed, stale, lame, tame, poor, inadequate, halfhearted, bloodless, sterile, anemic, barren;
informalhacky;
informalcommon or garden
“many artists continued to churn out insipid works”
antonyms: interesting, imaginative
Origin
early 17th century: from French insipide or late Latin insipidus, from in- ‘not’ + sapidus (see sapid).
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Mike,
Very sorry. I tried to remove the verbose description of “insipid” at the end of my post. If you catch this, please delete the definition of “insipid”. I tried but it told me, “You can no longer edit this post.”
Don’t worry too much, no one read your comment anyway. Most gave up after the 1st sentence.
I enjoyed it, quite a lot, in fact. Never mind Foolscap. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
I think it would make a great skit. Put them in before commercial breaks.
“Fred doesn’t have the fucking status.”
I LOL’d. 🙂
He doesn’t have fucking status?! Poor Fred. No fucking status. How can they take it it! One hand must be pretty tired.
Fred has only “donated” $300,000 and that is just not enough to buy the required status.
Of course, no one ever told Fred that the amount required is computed differently for each person. It starts at 80 percent of the total they have donated so far. So, Fred needs to donate another $60,000 in order to get the status.
But, another thing no one has told Fred is that if he doesn’t fork it over all at once and right away, the amount gets recalculated. So when he finally coughs up the remaining $60,000, he will be told that the “current rate” has increased to $372,000 and so he will need to fork over another $12,000 right away before he can get the status.
Of course there is no end to this game. No matter how much money he pays, it will never be enough. The brilliant formulae concocted by the Regs ensure Fred will keep paying and paying long after he winds up in the grave. Surely no one would ever expect that this scam would ever release poor Fred from their clutches. That just the way life unfolds when you are in the scam.
Say a prayer for poor Fred. He is essentially doomed. Doomed for making the mistake of joining this scam. Poor Fred.
The punchline is that the ‘R2-45 rundown’ is getting shot through the head with a pistol, so if it came to it he’d probably take the view it was a good thing he didn’t have the status for that!
Honest question — legitimately not trying to troll:
What is the purpose of ‘exteriorizing’? Is there some sort of emotional benefit to it, or do people want to do it because they think they can exert power over the physical realm, or what?
It seems (to me, from an outsider’s perspective) like it would just be another mental trap, something that’s virtually unattainable. And if you did happen to pull it off, it would be kind of like, ‘what’s next?’
What is the purpose of exterioizing? Really? It’s so. you can see naked girls in the showers. Man, I thought everyone knew that.
OSD stated so succinctly:
“What is the purpose of exterioizing? Really? It’s so. you can see naked girls in the showers. Man, I thought everyone knew that.”
DANG! beat me to it.
Upon escaping, I realized that exterior, we could move anywhere in space AND TIME at will. Would work wonders at the track or playing the lottery.
As long as everything goes as you planned there is no desire to go exterior from what you chose to play ..
real exteriorization would mean that you are out .. and if you fail to agree with your current location you would be 100.000 miles away in a second. You would be probably unable to find back planet Earth, and also your body. You would get a complete ARC break with everything too.
Dirty hippie. ?
The main purpose for me was to prove to myself that I wasn’t a body.
Suppose you were born and lived in a car and never ventured out from it. The moment you did, I suppose, would convince yourself that you were not a car.
Good one, Peabody. When exteriorizing (twice, not at will, not in session, quite by accident or whatever) I did know that “I” was not a body, that I was I, and I had a body. I saw it there, and knew it wasn’t me. It sounds so hokey to talk about it like this but that was my experience – I wasn’t my body, I had always existed and always would exist. I wasn’t my body.
And by the way, I LIKE having a body. I always have. I’m pro-body 🙂
But it was nice to experience, and to be able to recall afterward that my body wasn’t – isn’t “me”.
Especially on humid days like this when my hair frizzes as soon as I step outside after having just spent 20 minutes blow-drying it straight.
(I think its time to inject a little levity injected into this very serious subject.)
Same purpose as remote viewing – trying to make woo useful IRL. IMHO. Your mileage may vary.
dg,
I can only speak for myself but my 2 times exteriorizing I didn’t experience being “powerful” or “able to control”.. Power and control, abilities, etc. had nothing to do with it. Instead, it was more an absence of those things. I didn’t need anything or want anything. I wasn’t thinking about anything or anyone and I wasn’t feeling anything . Hard to describe, but both times, all of a sudden, it was just this quiet, serene, wordless…calmness. Look, I know that’s SO inadequate! And I’ll probably infuriate you even further by repeating once more that it was very nice!
Not infuriating at all — that’s why I asked!
Thanks for explaining how it affected you — the way you described the ‘absence’ and contentment is really interesting, kind of a meditative experience.
Thanks, dg 🙂
DG – Honestly the best I’ve gathered from those I’ve spoken with is that similar to the beginnings of scientology when you first go into that semi-trance state (which for many feels like a level of relaxation they’ve never been able to attain as you’re letting down all your guards, emotionally) is that the whole going exterior phenomena is similar to that on a deeper level. You see things, yourself in particular, as though you’re outside of yourself and it just feels very profound. Similar to what some describe as a near-death experience. Also quite similar to what many describe feeling when using shrooms or LSD…
I’ve asked a couple people involved in psychology and psychiatry and it’s essentially a more extreme form of disassociation and depending on one’s mental health history, etc. can actually trigger psychosis in certain people.
Now one of these people was very into spiritualism, New Age, etc. and said he had experienced that, but also had the education later in life to study what the brain does and was able to articulate, “while I understand the desire and thrill… it’s a dangerous place in general to be ‘on command’ but especially so when it’s being directed by any high-control group and creates a similar dependence as would a drug addict to their dealer…”
So being that this was someone who believed and experienced a lot of things I might consider “out there” and was generally a very non-judgmental person… that was pretty powerful to hear!
That’s actually a really nuanced perspective.
The point about disassociation and mental health is really interesting. It reminds me of hearing some survivors of traumatic experiences talk about how they felt like they were outside of their bodies during their trauma, and the long-term effects.
Maybe that message of ‘disassociation as unhealthy’ that I’ve heard is playing into my skepticism.
George, it also explains why Scientology has lots of case of people going “PTS Type III psychotic” – in trying to push people in ways that can result in “exteriorization” or, actually, disassociation, they’re playing with fire and a certain number will get pushed too far and go into full-blown psychosis.
Yes, dg! Perhaps it would be best to not generalize about exteriorization. What for some could be nice exteriorization experiences could for others be totally ill advised nightmares with lasting, harmful repercussions.
Nice touch, RB — showing their Thetans (or is it Genetic Entities?) gradually exteriorizing as little yellow blobs 🙂
I always wanted to be a ‘little yellow blobs. Gosh…another dream down the drain.
Wow. There were so many people who “used to” ask about that. Have they removed it from the list of gains? RB is brilliant! His satire is amazing!
Let’s assume exteriorization is possible. The question to ask is: what would that do for you? What spiritual growth would you achieve by doing a parlor trick like that? Would you want to exteriorize because it gave you power over others? So how would that make you a more compassionate, more enlightened being? The Buddha, for one, warned against seeking “special powers” like this. They’re diversions from practicing the way to real spiritual knowledge.
I’m a never in. I used to have dreams that I was flying, that I could just jump up just glide around in the air above other mortals. In short, they were dreams of power, but that’s all they were: dreams, all about ME.
Great one today RB. I also am curious as to did they remove the EP of Ext from the list of gains? There is one L where Ron says on tape that he wouldn’t let people leave attest to that L completion and leave the Ship until they were stably exterior with full perception. Is that now taken off as an EP?
Oh and I think SOP in Scn stands for “Standard Opening Procedure” instead of standard operating procedure.
Are you trying to get me routed to back to Qual?
Cindy? Nah.
It is “Standard Opening Procedure” .. at the time nobody spoke about Operating ..
RB, my new phone number is 714-929-6511. I’m retired now, hence the change. Would love to hear from you! It’s been awhile. I’d also like your take on Trump. I look forward to hearing from you.
OSD,
This is President Trump. It isn’t necessary for you to hear what Regraded Being’s take on me is even though I know he thinks very highly of me and whatever he would tell you would be flattering.
But because it would him too long to cover how great Trump is and why – I mean, RB and I go back a VERY long way, OK? And he knows every wonderful thing there is to know about Trump. And by the way he might even get mad at me for not giving him the chance to compile the full list himself – all the qualities he and everyone in America, Europe and world except the Fake News Media love and admire about me. He might even get mad at me for taking his thunder away like this. But RB is my good friend and an extremely busy guy with hardly any executive time, so take my word that everything he’ll tell you about me will add up to Trump being terrific in every way, OK? Here it is in a nutshell: Trump = Terrific.
OK, so I bet you didn’t know POTUS follows this blog. Well, it a fact, and do you know why? Its because Trump loves all ex-Scientologists and all ex-Scientologists love Trump. Good luck hearing THAT from the Fake News Media! UNFAIR!
Well, I know how flattered you must be by this attention, and how interesting it is for you, and all uneducated people like you, when I talk about myself like this, OK?
But fair is fair.
Its your turn now.
Now, YOU talk about me.
F***ing awesome!!!
It is Standard Operating Procedure.
El Wrong Hubturd couldn’t himself demonstrate exterior with perception. Being a bad caricature of Barnum, Hubturd would not have been able to resist showing off if he could do so if only for the riches it would have brought him.
Thanks RB,
I have done every bit of the bridge too.Still cannot exteriorize which was the only reason i joined.Never heard of someone else either except JD,SP,etc in 1975 Advance magazines succes stories.
Apparently these two gals in today’s Regraded Being missed reading Mike’s recent post on the ‘L Rundowns’. There’s the answer for Fred. Reg the poor bastard to do the L’s (https://www.mikerindersblog.org/l12-scientology-hype/). That will blow him three feet behind his head for sure. Any Fool knows that!
Oh, and while they are at it, the reg might as well reg Fred for a few ‘intensives’ to handle Fred’s ‘MUs’, false data, hidden standards, etc. Throw in a bit of ‘sec checking’ to take care of those nasty ‘overts’ regarding talking about his ‘case’ and for good measure make sure that he moves up a few status levels in the IAS. If that doesn’t disassociate him from reality I don’t know what will.
RB. Spot on. It precisely describes what I experienced in my decades on the bridge to nowhere. And just like Fred I didn’t talk about any of my disappointing experiences. Well until the end when I began to ask some of the most highly trained auditors and staff when I might achieve my goal. The wishy washy answers I always got cinched the deal and I walked out. Finally saw the truth and didn’t have to pay for and struggle through their fucking rundown that promised such. Glad I am out and so so proud too.
Yep! Popping out of your head is easy! All you have to do is say, ‘Presto change-o! I’m out of my fucking head!’ Then, do a little dance & sing a song. You’ll be out of your mind before you know it.
Now, is that easy or what!!!! Man, I’m good! Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!
Catching a wave will do it too!
Catching a wave will ALWAYS do it for anyone.
LSD might do it. Why should the psyches have all the fun? Scientology has resisted them for a long time and the switch around is due. A new process maybe, LSD cris cross?
If it were possible for anyone to actually “exteriorize”, there are several ways they could throw much of the world into chaos.
As I understand it, being able to “exteriorize” would be almost the same as being able to become invisible. I suppose the main difference is that people who “exteriorized” couldn’t touch or feel objects and they would not have control over their body. So they couldn’t move objects or steal money or bump into people or get a gun and shoot people or anything like that.
Remember that episode of The Twilight Zone about someone who got a camera that took pictures that revealed the scene sometime in the future? They could take a picture of a racetrack result board and it would show the contents some fixed time (like 2 or 3 minutes) into the future. So the camera owner could bet money on a race and be guaranteed to win because they knew which horse won the race a few minutes before the race was even run.
Well, similar events could be staged concerning stock prices or commodity prices and so someone who could really exteriorize could amass millions or billions of dollars and throw many of the world’s financial markets and institutions into turmoil. The result would be akin to the big stock market crash of 1929. The entire world could be thrown into a state of chaos so that one person could live “high on the hog”.
Isn’t that a ridiculous concept? If anyone could really “exteriorize” themselves, the entire world would be in danger of spinning into some of the biggest disasters we have ever seen.
Since nothing like that has ever happened (yet), I think it’s a pretty safe bet that the idea of people “exteriorizing” is just a shabby trick designed to separate whales from their money and put that money into the pockets of monsters like COBarf!
Skyler sez:
“If it were possible for anyone to actually “exteriorize”, there are several ways they could throw much of the world into chaos… Since nothing like that has ever happened (yet), I think it’s a pretty safe bet that the idea of people “exteriorizing” is just a shabby trick…”
Well Skyler, I’ve got news for you. This HAS happened and it has actually been made into a Hollywood movie based to the life and works of L. Ron Hubbard. I’m pretty sure that this is not authorized by RTC Capt’n COB David ‘Goatee’ Miscavige but the story is out for all the world to see nonetheless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy1Fs19ihBM
Thank you for that Ms. B. Haven. I never saw the film, “The Men Who Stare at Goats”. I passed on it because it got an IMDB rating of 6.2 which is a little low.
But here is a link to the WIKI entry in case anyone is interested in reading about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Men_Who_Stare_at_Goats_(film)
Think about the bullet that I dodged. This all reminds me of the time Wayback win in a certain decade I don’t even want to say because they might go digging through their Scientology files that I had read the Dianetics book and was curious about it and visited the Scientology whatever you wanna call it center in Ventura California and was exposed to the complete whack job scenario that Scientology is. After two visits there and also being pressured to sign a bunch of documents in microscopic Print I got the hell out of there. It was such an insanely bizarre experience I actually should write a short story about what I remember. It left and indelible impact on my memory and forever since I have been fascinated with following the depravations of the sick and twisted called. It was such an insanely bizarre experience I actually should write a short story about what I remember. It left and indelible impact on my memory and forever since I have been fascinated with following the depravations of the second twisted cult. The advent of the Internet was exactly what I needed to do the big deep dive into it all. So here I am decades later enjoying following Mike render in the aftermath and the myriad of videos and interviews and websites that delve into the insanity of this group. This weekly cartoon strip regraded being is simply awesome. I do wonder what is ever going to become of David Miscavige. He has always reminded me of one of those flying monkey creatures from the witches Castle in the Wizard of Oz.
Hello Amy,
If you ever decide to write a short story – even if it’s just to memorialize your experience, I’d like to suggest a message board where people tell about their experiences with this scam.
Before you read about this board, I want to tell you that this is not the place to post your story if you ever might want to have it published as a short story and make some money by so doing. Whatever people post on this board is done for free. You would never get any money for having written about your experiences on this board.
OK. Here it is: There is a message board called “Ex Scamologists Message Board”. I suppose it is very likely that you may already know about this board. But if not, they would likely welcome any story you would like to post there. If you do not already know about this board, perhaps you may like to browse through some of the stories that other people have posted there so that you can get a feel for whether or not your story would be compatible with this message board.
Regardless of what you decide, I wish you the very best and I also want to congratulate you for getting out as quickly as you did. Very well done!
http://www.forum.exscn.net
Yes, that would be an incredible story – human being walks into Scientology Org 20 years ago, doesn’t buy a book, walks out again, experience leaves huge mental scar, suddenly realizes there is a TV program and a blog where her incredible story can be posted. Incredible! Can’t wait for the next instalment! Does she then walk down the road and buy a coffee at Starbucks? What will occur next? You couldn’t make it up!
Wow – what an intro you had to scientology! Glad you didn’t get sucked in and got to see the scary side straight away. Husband & I also had a brief but impactful intro to scientology. We didn’t join, but hubs worked for a scio-owned (managed by LRH admin tech via “WISE”) company & heavily recruited for almost a year. So similar to you, I’m forever interested in watching what happens & praying for vindication for the many exes who’ve been hurt by the co$! Glad you’re here!
R2-45 Rundown only issued by the man himself , COB…love it…that Rundown will get you exterior and into the next body toot sweet! Keep up the great work RB.
COB’s authentic Scientology? Is that the “tech” with the red spots at the Breakwinds?
I was out of town and am catching up now with the NEWS about Scientology. REAL NEWS thanks to MIKE RINDER. Great one RB! Love it.
Re: May 10 post – STAND – another HATE promoting, FEAR mongering propaganda arm feeding the clubbed sheeple reasons to hate and a subject (THE PSYCHS) to focus on while they are getting fleeced and ruined… compliments of Scientology.
I commented to FOOLPROOF on another thread here and felt it was worthy re-posting again. I added to it too. Scientology is a master at Gas Lighting. I think it sums up a lot about Scientology and Scientologists.
Scientology claims to be a “science”. In fact, it claims to be the “Science of knowing how to know” but really it is a science of knowing how to NOT know due to L Ron’s policies to not look and the heavy ethics handling s if you look and investigate Scientology, Hubbard or Miscavige. If you look – you will leave. That is the purpose of THOSE policies and punishments – to keep you in the dark so you will keep giving your money and free labor to the cult.
Scientology is based on BELIEF just like every other religion.
Science – one can go outside the arena – test it – it works.
One cannot go outside of Scientology and test the false and decietful promises made by Hubbard and Scientology. You can’t “Go Clear and Stay Clear or any obtain and keep any of the other covertly promised “levels of awareness”. It is all fraud and deceit. You have to keep feeding yourself the lies. You have to disconnect from “NON BELIEVERS” who Scientology deem SP’s – Hitler types.
Can I see BEE TEE’s and Cluster’s under a microscope?
Where is the proof of XENU? CLEARS? OTS? EXPANSION?
Just because you believe in XENU and the BT’s and CLUSTERS… does not make them real.
It makes you, the Scientologists, who paid to BELIEVE – delusional.
ISIS martyrs who flew planes into the World Trade Center “believed” they were going to have 91 (or whatever amount) “virgins” for giving up their lives for the cause. They were following their “scriptures”.
Apparently, hard core radical Muslims feel fucking a bunch of virgins for eternity is extremely spiritual. We all know that is CRAZY and fucked up. But not any crazier than the Scientologist who believes they can leave their body at will and do shit. The Scientologists who is told they will get rid of their reactive mind – erase it…only to find out you don’t. You don’t get CLEAR – you have to control your reactive mind. Then there is XENU. Donating money without asking to see where the money is spent. STUPID Scientologists.
Scientologists are not able to think for themselves. While they learn early on to constantly wax enthusiasm for their “wins” while they go broke, get multiple divorces, experience a lifetime of financial ruin, shattered relationships, become “pan determined” instead of self determined due to “WHAT WOULD RON DO” policies which tell the clubbed seal what to think, how to behave and what to do – even if it is outdated (telex and newspaper to clean windows) and does not work (anyone who criticizes Ron Hubbard, Scientology David Miscavige – is an SP – like HITLER – so disconnect and destroy utterly. THATS.FUCKED.UP
Scientologists cannot think for themselves and are in such a chronic state of fear – they believe whatever “the Fuhrer” tells them to believe. (David Miscavige). Just lopk at Tom Cruise. Shattered relationships all over the World and yet he continues IN Scientology.
Scientologists believe what ever the upper management (David Miscavitge) lies are fed to them. They won’t look or investigate Scientology or the leader because it is a HIGH CRIME and against policy. They have been conditioned.
This is PAVLOV’S THEORY.
This is A=A=A
Investigating Scientology is such a horrible crime they could lose their “Clear Cert” or their OT Eligibility or lose their family and job.
Some of the Scientology LIES:
“We are expanding” If Scientology was expanding – they would see PEOPLE. Not rocket science here folks (lurkers and OSA) . Just fucking LOOK!
Scientologists train to lie to others, lie to themselves.
The Scientologist identity is arrogant and righteous. WHY – they have to survive or they will lose their money on account, (no refunds), lose their family still in (they got them in), don’t want to be wrong about Scientology not working (hurts the ego). Scientologists have been manipulated into believing whatever Scientology does is GOOD and they don’t question.
L Ron Hubbard calls it “INSOUCIENT”! “TOTAL CERTAINTY”!
Scientologists lose their true identities.
The Scientologists are in a constant state of fear due to implanted conspiracy theories and chasing carrots on a stick while dismantling their identities and lives donning the “cult identity”.
Scientologists actually become so confused – they reach for the green vols, red vols and book they can find to answer the most basic questions on how to clean windows and other human tricks.
The Scientological TRAPS?
Money on account to rid themselves of the “reactive mind”.
Which – they don’t rid themselves of ever.
Watch a CLEAR – they get sick, wear glasses, lpse hearing, get diseases and die, commit suicide, financial ruin, can’t think for themselves, fake enthusiasm, go broke, divorce – they are still human yet they think they have super powers. They pretend.
They have to realize they mocked the whole reactive mind up. They have to say they can stop it.
They better stop it – Ron is counting on them. The letter Ron writes to CLEARS.
Scientologists get friends and families in because the implanted idea of “man is basically good” and “do you want anyone else to have the amazing wins?” is a form of mind control and covertly asked question asked after each service or they can’t move on.
Wins you could have gotten for FREE reading books at the Library: Napolean Hill, Wayne Dwyer, The Secret and hundreds of thousands of books written by others.
You can get some of the same manifestations of the mind by meditating. Hubbard uses TR’s as parlor tricks to make it seem spiritual. Staring into someone’s eyes for hours and hours will play tricks on the mind. Scientologists believe something spiritual is happening. I hallucinated and thought I exteriorized.
Fearing what SP may be in their vicinity, Scientologists live lonely, isolated lives except for the group propaganda feeding parties they have at their morgues.
I have done my research and have concluded that Scientologists live in a chronic state of FEAR. They actually lose touch with reality and reach levels of insanity only reached by normal Homo Saps.
” Can I see BEE TEE’s and Cluster’s under a microscope?
Where is the proof of XENU? CLEARS? OTS? EXPANSION? ”
There ya go again trying to mess up a perfectly good con by tossing in the facts. ‘FOOL’ has the proof, just ask em!
Maybe we won’t have to, he/she/it will no doubt offer up some drivel for us to chew on.
Yo Dave,
Howz those Measels treatin ya good buddy? You’ve already had em? Well, we’re pulling fer a good case of shingles then.
🙂
What do you do with shingles’s? Throw them at each other? I mean, it doesn’t seem that throwing shingles around wouldn’t be fun to do. Man… I’m so confused.
Irony Alert:
Scientology’s CODE OF A SCIENTOLOGIST asserts that all people have the right to comment on and write about whatever they wish to, with whomever they wish to. The
Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which the church says it supports, has similar provisions. Of course, all of that is contradicted by numerous scientology books, lectures, courses, and policy letters that prohibit free speech and public discourse, dissent, and/or protest..and its decades-long, international efforts to utterly destroy those who publicly challenge or criticize its policies and actions.
Similar to the way I fish. I present flies and lures which represent a good feed and survival for fish. The reality of it is, it is intentionally reversed, just like Scientology’s promises.
Similar to the way I fish. I present flies and lures which represent good survival and an easy feed for fish. The reality of it is, it is intentionally the opposite, just like all of Scientology’s promises.
Wow! I think after perusing the rambling drivel above I’d say that the only one in FEAR (your capitals) is you! If none of it was true or worked then why are you spending so much verbiage on trying to convince others of your claims? The horrible irony (for you) is, is that deep down you know it works, but this is why you spend so much time hoping to convince others it doesn’t.
From the conceptual content to the facial expressions, RB nails the jaded, cynical, jargon-spouting dedicated Sea Ogre ” valence ” in this one. Bravo!
“…RB nails the jaded, cynical, jargon-spouting dedicated Sea Ogre valence”. Exactly right, Mark. I just commented on this. You said it better than I did.
All these deluded,hypnotized $cientologists, appear to me, to consider themselves self made people. In that case, it relieves The Almighty of a dreadful responsibility.
No God? No problem!