OSD, in some respects, we DID leave our brains outside the door when we entered scientology. And we surrendered little parts of our reasoning capacity each time we didn’t simply laugh off Tubby’s pronouncements, but accepted them, even as ‘working hypotheses’. MY primary downfall, I’ve found, was listening to ANY of ‘study tech’. I’m still working on relegating that Pile of “stuff” to the dung heap it belongs in. As recently as this calendar year, I caught myself defining every word I encountered as I read. Talk about SLOWING my reading speed and damaging my certainty of understanding what I read….
I USED to read for pleasure. Now, it’s more of a chore I do to try to keep the mental machinery in working order. Damn you, Tubby! your techniques don’t improve adequate students’ ability, they weaken it. Just because you could come up with harebrained schemes to improve your own lack of academic abilities doesn’t make them RIGHT. In fact, the LAST person who should expound on education is a demonstrated incompetent who couldn’t pass an entry-level class on atomic structure, concepts I believe I mastered when I was about 11 in 5th grade science class.
Talk about going in circles! Life in Scientology is like being on the Cause Resurgence full time. Miscavige should charge staff for this extra benefit (at Flag rates of course).
Scientology Victims of the Ultimate SP himself … none other than L Ron Hubbard. Too bad he didn’t accidentally step in front of a high speed flying projectile while he was still young — before he inflicted the mass carnage that he unleashed on society with scamology.
Hey Scribe! What was that quote from the movie, “Pulp Fiction”? Oh! Found it!
“And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers.”
How deliciously appropriate for today. I hope you have heard what happened to R. Kelly. Some govt agent was watching a Lifetime documentary and noticed something that enabled them to go and arrest R. Kelly.
I shiver in anticipation at the thought that the Monster’s turn is coming. I cannot help but feel it won’t be long. I cannot help but feel he’s going down, down, down!
It’s celebration time! It’s time to pay tribute to Mary Kahn. Her day is dawning!
To be honest, tough I’d READ the R2-45 reference, it wasn’t something that scns referred to at all in day-to-day conversations. I recognize it more NOW because we so often refer to it sardonically
I remember when I talked that convoluted talk and believed I was better than everyone. May I just say to anyone who doesn’t know, I am so glad to speak real English again.
But more than that, may I say that I am pleased to admit that I am soooooooooo not better than everyone. I am a flawed person learning my way every day and glad that I escaped scientology all those years ago so I could enjoy life, not live a stilted life looking over my shoulder every day with the threat of ethics looming large over my head.
Scientology promises, in the beginning stages of auditing, well before clear, that you will get to talk about anything to anyone at any time.
Grade 0 release
F1: Ability to communicate freely with anyone on any subject. Likes to outflow.
F2: Willing for others to communicate to him freely on any subject.
F3: Will permit others to communicate about anything to others.
So, why is it that they do not have any grade 0 releases (Ed Parkin, I’m looking at you) who are able to actually talk to people rather than just block them on Twitter and Facebook? Why is their leader (that would be you, David Miscavige) unable to talk to people, just at them.
The sanctimonious hypocrisy of an active scientologist — unsupported by any lasting achievement or real personal freedom — while enslaved to endlessly repeating the intricate game of LRH Tech quackery.
Desperately yearning for profound positive results but rarely ever attaining any.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results.
Relentless maximum cognitive dissonance. Welcome to Scientology.
Much cognitive dissonance.
This Regraded Being today really highlights the threat action used again and again to stop communication.
Say something that is ‘unacceptable’ and you get written up with a knowledge report.
So yeah you can give and receive communication with anyone. Except SP’s, psychs, doctors – unless you’re bleeding or bones poke out your flesh, people rumored to be dissafected – (what a word), downstats, ex-scilons even though not declared, your granny if she needs too much of your time, (just drop the bod already grandma), oh yeah and you can’t even discuss the ‘tech’ you’re learning because it could be ‘verbal tech’ or ‘altered tech’ because god forbid you think with it and maybe disagree, etc.
I could go on. But Grade 0 release is a big joke.
I can no longer contain myself and feel the need to ask aloud. Could you possibly be the Valerie who is in the news for taking this scam to court? The Valerie who made the single greatest escape from the Prison of The Scam? (Notice how that sounds like, “The Planet of the Damned”? or maybe, “The Planet of the Apes?”.
Valerie H. definitely needs to win all kinds of compensation including compensation for her part in the upcoming movie. I expect it might be called something like, “Escape from the Planet of the Scammed” or maybe, “Escape from the Hole”. It was the greatest escape of our time and it really should be the major scene in the film that tells the story of The Scam. I sure hope that Alex Gibney directs it.
No you’re not, Valerie! You’re one of the anchors of this group. And don’t ever think you aren’t. Face it, you’re good enough, smart enough and dog gone it People Like You! And know we all love you.
Awww OSD, I love you too. That does not make me better than you. I didn’t mean it to look like I thought I was worthless, I am just not a nose in the air “superior being”. Big difference. But thanks for channeling Stuart Smalley for me.
I have yet to personally meet a Scientologist whether Still In, or Indie, or fully out who demonstrates being freed up on communication on all 4 flows. Mike Rinder appears to be. He never cuts communication because he’s freaked out. He will cut comm but I don’t get the sense that it because he’s not confronting the subject matter, or because he can’t confront it, but just that he’s busy, or its off topic, etc. So I have this sense of Mike being free on communication on all 4 flows. But I’ve never met Mike, or talked to him, etc. so I can’t really say this with 100% certainty.
As for everyone else I’ve met who were involved with Scientology, I found that the HIGHER they are on the Bridge is the more out of comm they are, the more “ridgey” they are on certain subjects. The OTs I’ve known are the WORST communicators. Oh, they’ll talk a lot. They don’t say much but they’ll sound like they’re saying something. But pay attention and you’ll see that they’re really not saying much, nor are they confronting. They’re fearful and defensive. You can almost SEE the walls go up around them, and how freaked out they are. Now, while you’re observing their inability and unwillingness to communicate and their freaked outedness, you also have to listen to their delusion about how WELL they are able to communicate – oh, they know all about communication! they’ll rattle off all the courses they’ve done and the certificates they have to put you in your place for having dared to point out that they’re not really communicating – the gist is that all they’re doing is exercising their POWER OF CHOICE. They know all about it though. Such bullshit. That has been my experience with those who are high on the Bridge. Just from my own experience the higher on the Bridge they are, the more closed up and out of comm they are, all the while with the belief that they are expert communicators – their “proof” being all those certificates detailing all their “abilities gained”. Right.
OTVIII is so low on the scale of Human existence that I would consider it nothing more than average. Even if you flatten every single Hubbard implant you can imagine in your head, you are actually stopping all spiritual progress. Give up Miscavige. OT IX and OT X cannot add anything to your hopeless journey.
Hubbard imagined a thetan which had power. I have news for you Miscavige. The Jains had the same idea in 500B.C India. Guess what? They still exist as a small group in India and they are still trying.
You cannot get spiritual progress by a process of elimination like NED for OT’s and Solo NOTS. It does not work that way. Sorry. Your Truth revealed is false.
George M white:
“OTVIII is so low on the scale of Human existence that I would consider it nothing more than average. Even if you flatten every single Hubbard implant you can imagine in your head, you are actually stopping all spiritual progress. Give up Miscavige. OT IX and OT X cannot add anything to your hopeless journey.
”
Sadly, for all his promises, the thing I keep coming back to is that the perfect scn is a sociopathic subhuman, incapable of empathy or altruism, only living for immediate “exchange”, and he (Tubby) MUST receive what he demands before he can pretend to try to deliver what he’s promised.
AND DM takes it a step further, demanding the money up front and not even pretending he’s going to actually deliver anything. I’m thinking about the bogus IAS, there.
OMG! Spit Coffee on Computer.
This is it! I had an old geezer hitting on me whilst I was under the influence of $cientology Mind Control – trying to flow admiration towards me and start a 2-D. I refused to have a Tu-Dee with him because I already had one. He said it was his “postulate” and I believe he was crazy FROM doing and being a $cientologist.
He reeked of vitamin B because he ate them instead of food.
He was on staff and had no money.
This scenario is SOP in $cientology.
No flaws in Scientology….Uh huh.
You take time to do a full group Danger Condition, don’t take orders from anyone, and then the young gal from CMO comes in and says you need to do blah, blah, blah, and 5 minutes later, your formula is screwed. Thanks Ron and Dave but I’ll pass on your “flawless technology”.
Yes, the technology is flawless until one day it isn’t. One day the Dwarf discovers some Lost Tech and then orders come down that what you’ve done has to be re-done, at your expense, because – well, just BECAUSE.
NEVER was it admitted that there had been any “out tech” attested to. Oh, noooooooo, it wasn’t out-tech!
In response to my questions about what, if not out tech, it WAS, that I had, in good faith, paid for, done and attested to, and WHY if there had been no out -tech, a REDO at my expense was being mandated – crickets. Blank looks, no answers, or non-answers so inadequate I’ve blocked them from memory.
Well, in brief, I REFUSED to re-do and repay for these things, categorically refused, and now here I am, thank Xenu, out here on the Fringes, hangin’ with y’all.
““I am Scientology’s reckoning, here to end the borrowed time you’ve all been living on.”
”
Borrowed!? HELL, it’s STOLEN, like everything Dwarfenführer has at his disposal now.
OSD, in some respects, we DID leave our brains outside the door when we entered scientology. And we surrendered little parts of our reasoning capacity each time we didn’t simply laugh off Tubby’s pronouncements, but accepted them, even as ‘working hypotheses’. MY primary downfall, I’ve found, was listening to ANY of ‘study tech’. I’m still working on relegating that Pile of “stuff” to the dung heap it belongs in. As recently as this calendar year, I caught myself defining every word I encountered as I read. Talk about SLOWING my reading speed and damaging my certainty of understanding what I read….
I USED to read for pleasure. Now, it’s more of a chore I do to try to keep the mental machinery in working order. Damn you, Tubby! your techniques don’t improve adequate students’ ability, they weaken it. Just because you could come up with harebrained schemes to improve your own lack of academic abilities doesn’t make them RIGHT. In fact, the LAST person who should expound on education is a demonstrated incompetent who couldn’t pass an entry-level class on atomic structure, concepts I believe I mastered when I was about 11 in 5th grade science class.
Talk about going in circles! Life in Scientology is like being on the Cause Resurgence full time. Miscavige should charge staff for this extra benefit (at Flag rates of course).
Regraded Being or Degraded Being since these folks are absolutely and positively living degraded, sub par lives.
Debased, diminished, degraded, diluted, deluded, monochromatic lives….
Scientology Victims of the Ultimate SP himself … none other than L Ron Hubbard. Too bad he didn’t accidentally step in front of a high speed flying projectile while he was still young — before he inflicted the mass carnage that he unleashed on society with scamology.
Exalted Being offered:
“Regraded Being or Degraded Being since these folks are absolutely and positively living degraded, sub par lives.”
That’s the beauty of RB, how it reflects the ‘reality’ of scientology life.
Heh, scientologese: “…I’m gonna run process R2-45 on you.” Sounds much more scientific that “I’m gonna blow your fucking brains out!”
I’m a Zombie, which means I don’t have any brains. Sorry I couldn’t help you, James. Old
Notice to DM, his attorneys, PIs and the like:
“I am Scientology’s reckoning, here to end the borrowed time you’ve all been living on.”
Bane
Hey Scribe! What was that quote from the movie, “Pulp Fiction”? Oh! Found it!
“And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers.”
How deliciously appropriate for today. I hope you have heard what happened to R. Kelly. Some govt agent was watching a Lifetime documentary and noticed something that enabled them to go and arrest R. Kelly.
I shiver in anticipation at the thought that the Monster’s turn is coming. I cannot help but feel it won’t be long. I cannot help but feel he’s going down, down, down!
It’s celebration time! It’s time to pay tribute to Mary Kahn. Her day is dawning!
Skyler:
From your mouth to Xenu’s ears. DM and his cult will suffer appropriate ‘instant karma’ for his misdeeds.
I had a reckoning once. But, I reckon I missed the boat.
That’s funny, I recked my boat too.
I guess we have two boats that won’t float. But…I did go Clear today. And boy, And boy do I feel stupid.
To be honest, tough I’d READ the R2-45 reference, it wasn’t something that scns referred to at all in day-to-day conversations. I recognize it more NOW because we so often refer to it sardonically
I remember when I talked that convoluted talk and believed I was better than everyone. May I just say to anyone who doesn’t know, I am so glad to speak real English again.
But more than that, may I say that I am pleased to admit that I am soooooooooo not better than everyone. I am a flawed person learning my way every day and glad that I escaped scientology all those years ago so I could enjoy life, not live a stilted life looking over my shoulder every day with the threat of ethics looming large over my head.
Scientology promises, in the beginning stages of auditing, well before clear, that you will get to talk about anything to anyone at any time.
Grade 0 release
F1: Ability to communicate freely with anyone on any subject. Likes to outflow.
F2: Willing for others to communicate to him freely on any subject.
F3: Will permit others to communicate about anything to others.
So, why is it that they do not have any grade 0 releases (Ed Parkin, I’m looking at you) who are able to actually talk to people rather than just block them on Twitter and Facebook? Why is their leader (that would be you, David Miscavige) unable to talk to people, just at them.
Cognitive dissonance much?
The sanctimonious hypocrisy of an active scientologist — unsupported by any lasting achievement or real personal freedom — while enslaved to endlessly repeating the intricate game of LRH Tech quackery.
Desperately yearning for profound positive results but rarely ever attaining any.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results.
Relentless maximum cognitive dissonance. Welcome to Scientology.
Valerie! Please! Read my post below. I beg of you.
Much cognitive dissonance.
This Regraded Being today really highlights the threat action used again and again to stop communication.
Say something that is ‘unacceptable’ and you get written up with a knowledge report.
So yeah you can give and receive communication with anyone. Except SP’s, psychs, doctors – unless you’re bleeding or bones poke out your flesh, people rumored to be dissafected – (what a word), downstats, ex-scilons even though not declared, your granny if she needs too much of your time, (just drop the bod already grandma), oh yeah and you can’t even discuss the ‘tech’ you’re learning because it could be ‘verbal tech’ or ‘altered tech’ because god forbid you think with it and maybe disagree, etc.
I could go on. But Grade 0 release is a big joke.
I can no longer contain myself and feel the need to ask aloud. Could you possibly be the Valerie who is in the news for taking this scam to court? The Valerie who made the single greatest escape from the Prison of The Scam? (Notice how that sounds like, “The Planet of the Damned”? or maybe, “The Planet of the Apes?”.
Valerie H. definitely needs to win all kinds of compensation including compensation for her part in the upcoming movie. I expect it might be called something like, “Escape from the Planet of the Scammed” or maybe, “Escape from the Hole”. It was the greatest escape of our time and it really should be the major scene in the film that tells the story of The Scam. I sure hope that Alex Gibney directs it.
Already got it covered Skyler.
Wait…You covered up Skyler? Damn! Can he breathe?
No.
Well, I say yes to you, Valerie!
COB’s flows are so wide open that it’s called incontinence by wog medicos. Depends is the tech for this meat body sit.
He needs to tough it out – no more pampering.
Are you saying we CAN’T beat him up? Well, that’s not fun. It seems there’s no more pampering. This is hard to take.
OTVIII,I believe my HS chemistry teacher referred to DM’s condition as ‘diarreah of the mouth with constipation of the brain.’
No you’re not, Valerie! You’re one of the anchors of this group. And don’t ever think you aren’t. Face it, you’re good enough, smart enough and dog gone it People Like You! And know we all love you.
Awww OSD, I love you too. That does not make me better than you. I didn’t mean it to look like I thought I was worthless, I am just not a nose in the air “superior being”. Big difference. But thanks for channeling Stuart Smalley for me.
I have yet to personally meet a Scientologist whether Still In, or Indie, or fully out who demonstrates being freed up on communication on all 4 flows. Mike Rinder appears to be. He never cuts communication because he’s freaked out. He will cut comm but I don’t get the sense that it because he’s not confronting the subject matter, or because he can’t confront it, but just that he’s busy, or its off topic, etc. So I have this sense of Mike being free on communication on all 4 flows. But I’ve never met Mike, or talked to him, etc. so I can’t really say this with 100% certainty.
As for everyone else I’ve met who were involved with Scientology, I found that the HIGHER they are on the Bridge is the more out of comm they are, the more “ridgey” they are on certain subjects. The OTs I’ve known are the WORST communicators. Oh, they’ll talk a lot. They don’t say much but they’ll sound like they’re saying something. But pay attention and you’ll see that they’re really not saying much, nor are they confronting. They’re fearful and defensive. You can almost SEE the walls go up around them, and how freaked out they are. Now, while you’re observing their inability and unwillingness to communicate and their freaked outedness, you also have to listen to their delusion about how WELL they are able to communicate – oh, they know all about communication! they’ll rattle off all the courses they’ve done and the certificates they have to put you in your place for having dared to point out that they’re not really communicating – the gist is that all they’re doing is exercising their POWER OF CHOICE. They know all about it though. Such bullshit. That has been my experience with those who are high on the Bridge. Just from my own experience the higher on the Bridge they are, the more closed up and out of comm they are, all the while with the belief that they are expert communicators – their “proof” being all those certificates detailing all their “abilities gained”. Right.
OTVIII is so low on the scale of Human existence that I would consider it nothing more than average. Even if you flatten every single Hubbard implant you can imagine in your head, you are actually stopping all spiritual progress. Give up Miscavige. OT IX and OT X cannot add anything to your hopeless journey.
Hubbard imagined a thetan which had power. I have news for you Miscavige. The Jains had the same idea in 500B.C India. Guess what? They still exist as a small group in India and they are still trying.
You cannot get spiritual progress by a process of elimination like NED for OT’s and Solo NOTS. It does not work that way. Sorry. Your Truth revealed is false.
George M white:
“OTVIII is so low on the scale of Human existence that I would consider it nothing more than average. Even if you flatten every single Hubbard implant you can imagine in your head, you are actually stopping all spiritual progress. Give up Miscavige. OT IX and OT X cannot add anything to your hopeless journey.
”
Sadly, for all his promises, the thing I keep coming back to is that the perfect scn is a sociopathic subhuman, incapable of empathy or altruism, only living for immediate “exchange”, and he (Tubby) MUST receive what he demands before he can pretend to try to deliver what he’s promised.
AND DM takes it a step further, demanding the money up front and not even pretending he’s going to actually deliver anything. I’m thinking about the bogus IAS, there.
Hilarious rendition of cognitive dissonance by RB! Again! He always nails it. Why WOULD someone at the top of the bridge blow??? hmmmmm? LOL
Yep, no flaws in scientology and, there is no sand in the Sahara desert.
‘Blow’. What an interesting term. And I did it.
Just a wild guess, but I suspect ‘Robert’ will be the next to blow.
With his tail between his legs?
Better than his head up his ass.
I stand corrected.
OMG! Spit Coffee on Computer.
This is it! I had an old geezer hitting on me whilst I was under the influence of $cientology Mind Control – trying to flow admiration towards me and start a 2-D. I refused to have a Tu-Dee with him because I already had one. He said it was his “postulate” and I believe he was crazy FROM doing and being a $cientologist.
He reeked of vitamin B because he ate them instead of food.
He was on staff and had no money.
This scenario is SOP in $cientology.
Welcome back.Good one RB.
That’s the chatter as the cult is circling the drain.
No flaws in Scientology….Uh huh.
You take time to do a full group Danger Condition, don’t take orders from anyone, and then the young gal from CMO comes in and says you need to do blah, blah, blah, and 5 minutes later, your formula is screwed. Thanks Ron and Dave but I’ll pass on your “flawless technology”.
Yes, the technology is flawless until one day it isn’t. One day the Dwarf discovers some Lost Tech and then orders come down that what you’ve done has to be re-done, at your expense, because – well, just BECAUSE.
NEVER was it admitted that there had been any “out tech” attested to. Oh, noooooooo, it wasn’t out-tech!
In response to my questions about what, if not out tech, it WAS, that I had, in good faith, paid for, done and attested to, and WHY if there had been no out -tech, a REDO at my expense was being mandated – crickets. Blank looks, no answers, or non-answers so inadequate I’ve blocked them from memory.
Well, in brief, I REFUSED to re-do and repay for these things, categorically refused, and now here I am, thank Xenu, out here on the Fringes, hangin’ with y’all.