They may think they’ve endured some epic regging, but now the regges are REALLY going to dig deep as the number of orgs they’re personally responsible for just multiplied by sixty. It’s an OT viewpoint for the greatest dynamics.
Accidentally picked up a call from someone in central files yesterday. They asked if I still wanted to receive mail… you can guess what I said. The conversation transitioned into asking what my plans were and really wanting to send me a DVD of an event that happened in 2007. The woman said she’s watched the event 30 times and gets something out of it every time. I couldn’t help but feel bad for her, an event about GAT2 give me a break.
Hi Frank…
I just had the thought that she should watch another film from 2007…. The BBC Panorama Scientology& Me! She could def get some new stuff out of it!! 😁YouTube is prob blocked for the bubble dwellers, though, isn’t it? I’m rewatching (3rd time, at least) the Aftermath ep in Season 1 that introduced John Sweeney (who has become one of my heroes along with Steven Hassan and all the others actively working to expose mind control practices).
Sounds like you dealt with her kindly, hopefully you’re off their call list for a while!
I like that RB characterizes the man as a dummy and more brainwashed than the woman. It appeals to the feminist in me. I think the woman in this situation would be the one to wake up first.
She makes a good point. She’s after information about something that has nothing to do with Scn, but the connection to the actor pollutes the results. It contributes to a general animosity to Scn, which will help keep people away.
“plastic figurine reminded me of the Rinder bobbleheads — which could do a better job of directing that mess of a cult left over from DM’s careless slashing out the parts of Hubbard’s creation which were of interest to DM, namely the INCOME.
Davy, Davy give me the money do
I’m half crazy all for the folks you screwed
Though Tom and you have a marriage
Your life is a miscarriage
But you’ll look sweet
On Leroy’s seat
In a prison cell made for two
I can’t wait for OT IX and X to come out! OT VIII has been around for 30 years… what will Miscavige come up with for the encore? It’ll make for some great laughs!
When individuals paid for their local empty and struggling org to go “Ideal” there was at least a little accountability. Scientologists saw the money spent in stupid ways, buildings to be left boarded up for years and completed buildings not bring about the promised expansion. Hundreds, if not thousands of dedicated Scientologists departed Scientology due to their upsets over how the “Ideal Org Program” played out in their area. By throwing 60 of the worst orgs all into the same pot, there is ZERO accountability. Just another slush fund like the IAS. All upsets and questions can now be met with making the person wrong and asking what they are doing to give more money or get others to give more money for ideal orgs. Anyone that dares question things will have their head put on a pike so the rest of the sheep keep their mouth closed. Like the IAS, it is a bottomless black hole to suck in the money of Scientologists that think they are sacrificing for the benefit of the world. The Shermanator will feed Miscavige some over the top generalities to feed the clapping seals and the con will go on….
Scribe:”Your suffering will be legendary, even in Hell”.
I owe you another beer if ever we meet. Please keep track for me.
My minds aren’t what they used to be.
The only reason all Orgs have to achieve Ideal Org status simultaneously is so little David doesn’t have to make an appearance at any ribbon cuttings in the next decade (or two) and expose himself to being personally served a subpoena in the pending Jane Doe lawsuit and others coming down the pike.
Good insight!
DM is the mini and mighty menace afraid to come into the light.
It’s only a question of ‘when’ he will be legally served and sequestered. The ‘if’ question was non valid at his first crime against humanity.
Arlene, DM’s setting it up so he will NEVER have to appear in ‘public’ perform for the whales. All he needs if a jumbo video screen blowing hisself up to 70 times his actual size to WOW them while he stays safely ensconced in his super-secret hidden lair accompanied only by his video technicians, makeup crew, and personal chefs. With his head blown up to 900 feet cross, he’ll FINALLY have the apparent stature he believes is suitable for a ‘big being’ like him, master of the coolest “religion” EVAH.
I recently emailed an ex-twin who’s still in. Enjoy his “handling!”
ME: Hey xxx – it’s been awhile!
How are things going?
HIM: Hi are you in good standing?
ME: I am, despite the fact that I think David Miscavige is a criminal and L. Ron Hubbard was a con man.
PS: I know you’ll disconnect from me because you’re not allowed to think for yourself, and don’t want to get in trouble by upsetting the powers that be.
HIM: Fuck u!
Assholes never change!
Don’t write me back
ME: Looks like you’ve still got those anger issues. That shit doesn’t work on me anymore.
Yes Aqua, he’s being a very good Scientologist so in case our little interchange comes up, he’ll be able to say he handled that SP just like Uncle Ron said.
Probably not, but if he were out, that would be a possibility. The dude was in the RPF for something like 11 years! He’s most likely going to go down with the ship. Sad.
How degraded can a person get after 11 years in the RPF? It was sad to see SO staff who I knew sent to the RPF. None looked well. The sooner that ship goes down the better.
George M. White , Not only Tubby not offer PROOF of anything he spouted, he didn’t even offer evidence. Throughout, his bare naked assertion was evidence enough in his feeble fevered mind.
Jere, it seems to me that what Hubbard did was to use anecdotes – often just a single supposed case example, though even those are hardly rigorous if not even suspicious, such as if they were elicited from subjects under suggestive or hypnotic conditions.
Thus we now see the anedotalism of credulous followers like “Foolproof,” who, not actually understanding science or properly rigorous research, believe things on the same basis as those who believe the earth is flat, or that the sun rotates around the earth – for which plenty of anecdotal evidence can be found.
AND the reg cycle is COMPLETE when the money is RECEIVED. Delivery of ANYTHING other than statuses meaningful only to the other clapping seals is VERBOTEN by the Dwarfenführer.
” “Have you noticed that scientology celebrities are the only ones that almost always have their religion snidely mentioned whenever anyone writes articles about them?”
Well, it COULDN’T be because said celebrities define THEMSELVES by their so-called religion every chance they get, like it’s a badge of honor or something.
They haven’t gotten the memo that being a scientologist is a BAD thing for your Hollywood career these days, and that the downward slide is rapidly accelerating? No, of COURSE not, they don’t LISTEN to anything which could upset them.
OT IX and X are getting closer to release!?? Perhaps, if you’re talking about a millimeter closer out of the BILLIONS of light years away DM is to releasing SOMETHING he’ll call IX and/or X. And it’ll take only the slightest setback in DM’s mind to push ANY release years further down the road.
“Twenty years of donations?” That reminded me of the old classic joke/riddle that goes,
Q: Why did the moron hit his head with a hammer?
A: Because it felt so good when he stopped.
One thing you gotta hand to the still-ins. They’re tenacious gluttons for punishment. It’s kind of amazing that there are still those who haven’t yet reached their breaking point. Maybe the real Clear cognition goes, “It feels so good when you stop.”
“Do TC and DM worry about no one taking scn seriously?
The real problem is when people, like us for instance, take scientology entirely at its word. Particularly the tubby one’s long-ago ‘wisdom’ now taken to be ‘scripture’.
$cientology / David Miscavige’s cult is nothing but incomplete actions.
The ONLY complete cycle in $cientology is the REGG cycle.
It is only abou the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and keeping Miscavige at the top controlling it so he can live his lavish lifestyle and take his tiny man frustrations out on the Sea Org slaves that are unfortunate to be under the $cientological $pell of mind control.
OSD:”Rosemarie, can’t you just take a pen and pop the bubble?”
But, but, BUT if someone DOES pop their bubble, they’ll be left with nothing to calm their fevered minds. They’ll HAVE to learn how to live in the REAL WORLD®, doncha’ know?
Miscavige was never able to get past the Maiden Voyage disaster which happened more than thirty years ago. Get over it Scientologists. There is no OT VIII, OT IX, or OT X. Hubbard spent his whole life talking about how a “theoretical thetan” would behave. Hubbard never had any scientific proof. If you audit all of his implants in History of Man to a total “flat point” with an e-meter, there are no OT powers. Hubbard cultivated a “cheap knowingness” which he copied from Occult books. Miscavige adopted it to run the entire church by himself. It led him to “ideal orgs” – another failure.
George, it isn’t possible to audit all of the implant incidents in History of Man to a flat point on an e-meter (or otherwise). Why? These incidents don’t exist. There is no Plitdown Man, Clam, Coffee Grinder, Halver, etc. It’s just stuff Hubbard pulled out of his ass. Auditing these incidents is like trying to audit the time a unicorn was mean to me or any other nonsense the old con man made up. Some fool can come along and defend Hubbard and the ‘tech’ because it made them feel better, so what. Lots of things can make a person feel better for a while and it doesn’t have to cost them a shiny penny and they don’t have to be affiliated with a wack-job cult and all the “benefits” that go with that. No ‘OT’ abilities will be gained but as you correctly point out, no ‘OT’ abilities are gained by doing scientology processes.
“George, it isn’t possible to audit all of the implant incidents in History of Man to a flat point on an e-meter (or otherwise). Why? These incidents don’t exist. There is no Plitdown Man, Clam, Coffee Grinder, Halver, etc. It’s just stuff Hubbard pulled out of his ass. ”
Sad to say, having read that garbage and then hearing about it in discussions has glued it into my brain. I don’t want to audit them out, I just want to FORGET them!
I suppose everyone who went through the Wall of Fire accepted it as factual reality or put it into some acceptable frame of reference. I guess the same thing could be said about the implants. One time someone told me shut up and I got a sore jaw. Maybe he restimulated my clam implant.
(joke)
In my particular experience, I always got reads on the e-meter when auditing even the most extreme incidents from History of Man. My guess is that this happened because I was so conditioned by Hubbard that I would believe anything. Hence the reads. So the incidents existed in my own mind transferred by Hubbard’s “magic”. The incidents never existed in reality but I experienced them. Even when auditing OT VIII on the Freewinds I got all of the flows and the sensations. This was part of the cult aspect of Scientology. I read an excellent summary of the “Heaven’s Gate” incident. Those people actually had the same sort of feelings in regard to meeting the space ship.
I think it’s safe to say that auditing stimulated creative imagination. Most people had no difficulty in coming up with an “earlier similar incident”.
Likewise in life I think most people experience just about all of the variations of attitudes, emotions, sensations and pains and these could be “run” in association with scientology “processes”.
Richard, it’s a well known phenomenon that when individuals are in a light trance or suggestible state such as auditing sets up, they can think very imaginatively and tap into the mind’s below-conscious functioning. For instance, when given a command to come up with something “earlier” – which presumes there is something earlier, all though they may not be – the compliant subject may make up a creative answer, such as a fabricated early experience or past life account. This is also the same sort of subtle leading, which produces what are known as false memories, that resulted for instance in the infamous, fabulous accounts and accusations of satanic ritual abuse of preschool children.
When some interesting research was done in the 1970s and 1980s that debunked phenomenon such as past lives – I’ve often linked to some of it – one of the fascinating experiments they ran was to first go through the standard suggestive practice of putting people in a state like a light trance, and asking them to “go back” until they came up with something like a past life account. Subjects were then fully hypnotized and asked where the idea for that account came from, at which point they could often recall some below-conscious source such as a movie they saw or a story they heard in their youth.
An article in Wikipedia on World Population estimates 100 billion human beings have walked the earth. Probably billions of people over time have witnessed or experienced things which could be classified as extrasensory, paranormal, supernatural, transcendental, satori and so on. Maybe it’s the result of chemicals being released in the human brain. Unlikely to be resolved soon. 🙂
There is belief, disbelief and suspension of disbelief. I never really thought I could be “exterior with full perception” but maybe it was possible. There are stories about remote viewing and astral planing around the universe which sounds like fun.
George, you’re definitely on to something when you say we were conditioned by Hubbard (and all those on staff who came after). I remember wanting to go around and audit people on Book 1 in the early 80s. It was making a minor comeback then. My idea was to take someone that knew absolutely nothing about the subject and just run the auditing commands on them. This went absolutely nowhere with any of my victims. However, if I took some time to explain to them what I wanted to achieve with them or had them read something about dianetics I was able to run the processes on them, up to a point.
From my own experience holding the cans, I was never able to find and run an engram even though I was being audited with the latest and greatest ‘tech’, NED (new era dianetics for you newbies and never-ins). I made a vow to myself not to pretend or fake anything so I went in being totally honest. When I was asked a question and it got a read on the meter, I would answer but it never went anywhere because there was nothing to find. I slogged through many ‘intensives’ of this garbage hoping beyond hope that it would work for me but it never did. Not only was I totally frustrated and disappointed, so were all of the auditors that got stuck with me. I feel SO MUCH BETTER being gone and away from the cult forever.
When I did my auditing as a Class IV, I to this day I cannot believe how popular I was among PC’s. Of course it was all for free, But people really tried to get repeat sessions. The reg’s would beg me to do the sessions because they could close for real money after an experience with me. The truth of the matter was that I never really accepted Hubbard’s training. It all seemed so stupid. The floating needle was fine but the questions were terrible. I felt that somehow the entire auditing process was flawed because you never really got in communication with the PC. I presented myself as an upstat business person which I was at the time. Very well dressed and affluent. I sort of made my way by asking only the questions that seemed relevant. I never tried to get a floating needle because it was insane to try it. But I did get a lot of F/N’s becaue I was really concerned and compassionate with the PC’s. I just took the attitude that they would respond to my self assurance. It worked. I was really easy with them and waited for them to talk. Amazing and I did not follow Hubbard.
George, I do believe what you experienced and your explanation for it are true. But I had an almost opposite experience. I was doing the Dating Drill in the emeter book and we had to pick random dates and write it on a paper and have the partner on the meter “get” the date by using meter reads on an “over” and “under” thing until they homed in on the correct date. I found one date that read good on everyone and it was the year 75 Million Years ago. I was Clear or below at that time and had not done the OT Levels. And most, if not all the people doing the dating drill were also Below OT I.
As soon as my OT III Course Sup found out I was using the date 75 Million years ago, he made me pick a different date. I argued and said, “but it reads so well on many people.” He said to just trust him that I needed to can that date and not use it. (I found out later that that was the year of Incident II on OT III.) So how did that read on people who were below OT III and had not read any of the materials yet?
Amazing. I have similar experience. When I did OT III, I decided to run it only if it read on the meter. Well, I had a massive read. But I had read the incident in Hubbard’s handwriting. I concluded that I was “conditioned” for the read. When I ran all of implants on OT VIII, the reads were fast, and large. But I never got any thetan or OT powers. So I concluded that I was just reading on his data because I was a loyal follower. When I hit my first past life incident, it blew me away. Later I concluded that all I ever hit was a scene from the movie Ben Hur in Rome.
The proof to me was never any OT powers. Not even slight. Of course, I had the obvious ideas of subjective reality in my travels to Venus and Mars. But it all turned false.
Hi Cindy – I Left scientology in 1982 before doing the OT levels and I’m pretty sure I knew of the 75 million number. Ron’s Wall of Fire was a Very Big Deal in scientology and word gets around.
You mention we, many, everyone, but how many was the actual number? When did you do the dating drill? Could the students have seen that number on outside media or even in scientology magazines?
I’m not being critical but just mentioning there are several variables which can be involved.
GEORGE, of COURSE there is OT VIII, 3 different versions of it IIRC. It’s anything after that which he” have a nearly impossible time producing. Of course, he cold take the “chutes and ladders” tack and make the VIIIs re-do everything again, including the endless objectives of the SRD, re-re-doing the Student Hat and Primary RD AGAIN, and so forth.
OH MY! He’s already done that? All he has to do is keep everyone on the holding pattern until he dies and no longer has ANY reason to “advance” scientology, not that he intended to advance scientology with any of the actions he’s done to date. The only thing improving in scn is his bank, a huge pile of unmarked(he hopes) bills he sometime gets nekkid to roll around in. Which reminds me: If DM or his cohorts ever offer yo cash payment, be sure to wash your hands thoroughly before you eat.
Sometimes RB stirs up my old craziness, my inability to see how stupid it was for almost thirty years. When I see other old timers saying what they say in the comments, I realize that I’m not alone. I’ve only been out a couple of years, so I’m still trying to find my way out of the maze, but I’ll say this: We’re almost out of credit card debt, and should be by the end of the year! I can only imagine the stress and pressure left on the remaining people that are still in, or those that are newly in. And with so much bad press nowadays, I just can’t see how people even get close to the place. I thought it was bad in the early 2000’s.
Congrats Dotey OT! It’s so encouraging to hear of former Scientologists who DO find a great life on the outside, who are able to struggle back to their feet and recover.
It is a testament to those who are still-in that they will not be ruined if they leave, they will not die alone of drug abuse or insanity in some alleyway somewhere, and that there are many people outside who will care for them.
Congratulations and well done, Dotey! And besides all the other benefits, its GREAT not being broke anymore, isn’t it? Such a WEIGHT that lifts off of you, knowing not only that you can but pay your bills and credit cards on time, but pay down that killer compound credit card interest too! Its a great feeling!
Scribe, if Davey-boy’s full of shit, that doesn’t add up to much, really. How much can exist in that teenie, tiny body after he’s had his fill of whiskey?
The problem with the “kid”, and scientology in general, is that there’s no “there” there; nothing to see, move along.
Don’t these orgs have to go Ideal, so that they can go St Hill Size, and only THEN will COB release OT IX and X? (Which of course he knows will never happen in his lifetime, so he doesn’t need to worry about the fact that OT IX and X don’t exist)
In any case, there’s actually very little information about Scientology on their website. A wog who landed there “curious” wouldn’t really find anything of substance but directions to their nearest org. It’s like a website that won’t tell you how much the product costs, but invites you to send away for a brochure or a video or a sales visit – then you know it must be REALLY expensive.
The Diminutive Midget keeps extending the carrot stick further and further so as to collect more money to throw into offshore accounts so he can be protected and live lavishly once the cult fades and dies. There ain’t no carrot and that’s why the money stick is getting longer
Glenn, that ‘carrot’ is plastic and getting pretty faded and ratty to any who still have some ability to actually look at what is promised and what, if anything, is delivered.
David Miscavige truly is Scientology’s Wizard of Oz, and the staff and public collectively are Dorothy, the Scarecrow, the Tin Man and the Cowardly Lion.
The Wizard is making Dorothy and her friend jump thru all kinds of hoops and perform all kinds of tasks before he releases OT 9 and 10.
I’d say his worst NIGHTMARE would be “EVERY org on the planet Ideal by next year”.
Of course, it won’t happen, but can you IMAGINE if somehow “Dorothy” and her friends pulled that OFF?
What would Miscavige DO?
He’s in the same position as the Wizard. There IS no OT 9 and 10.
My guess is that, like the Wizard, he’d blow. Make up some excuse that Ron wants/needs him to do “vital” research “off the lines”. Then a major farewell speech, and…so long, suckers!
When I was on V, I met an old lady, long time scientologist, who told me that she was on her preps for OT IX. That was more than 20 years ago. She has probably dropped her body by now but DM got her money and doesn’t give a shit.
That’s what makes Dave so OT. He’s achieved that super-high level of ripping people off, breaking up families and fair gaming anyone he doesn’t like without the slightest tinge of remorse. You rot Dave!
All sighyuntallogists should simply google “what is brainwashing”. If you are a member you can do this and not be exposed to any direct entheta that might cause you problems, like not being able to attend church services and polish a pew bench on Sunday morning, or whatever day it is that’s set aside to worship
💩 Mr. Hubbard 💩
Or upset the miniature plastic figurine masquerading as a human being that head up scamology —
🤪David Miscavige 🤪
Good luck to you all! And Hip hip hooray! 🦇🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🦇
They may think they’ve endured some epic regging, but now the regges are REALLY going to dig deep as the number of orgs they’re personally responsible for just multiplied by sixty. It’s an OT viewpoint for the greatest dynamics.
Accidentally picked up a call from someone in central files yesterday. They asked if I still wanted to receive mail… you can guess what I said. The conversation transitioned into asking what my plans were and really wanting to send me a DVD of an event that happened in 2007. The woman said she’s watched the event 30 times and gets something out of it every time. I couldn’t help but feel bad for her, an event about GAT2 give me a break.
Hi Frank…
I just had the thought that she should watch another film from 2007…. The BBC Panorama Scientology& Me! She could def get some new stuff out of it!! 😁YouTube is prob blocked for the bubble dwellers, though, isn’t it? I’m rewatching (3rd time, at least) the Aftermath ep in Season 1 that introduced John Sweeney (who has become one of my heroes along with Steven Hassan and all the others actively working to expose mind control practices).
Sounds like you dealt with her kindly, hopefully you’re off their call list for a while!
I like that RB characterizes the man as a dummy and more brainwashed than the woman. It appeals to the feminist in me. I think the woman in this situation would be the one to wake up first.
She makes a good point. She’s after information about something that has nothing to do with Scn, but the connection to the actor pollutes the results. It contributes to a general animosity to Scn, which will help keep people away.
“plastic figurine reminded me of the Rinder bobbleheads — which could do a better job of directing that mess of a cult left over from DM’s careless slashing out the parts of Hubbard’s creation which were of interest to DM, namely the INCOME.
Davy, Davy give me the money do
I’m half crazy all for the folks you screwed
Though Tom and you have a marriage
Your life is a miscarriage
But you’ll look sweet
On Leroy’s seat
In a prison cell made for two
I can’t wait for OT IX and X to come out! OT VIII has been around for 30 years… what will Miscavige come up with for the encore? It’ll make for some great laughs!
When individuals paid for their local empty and struggling org to go “Ideal” there was at least a little accountability. Scientologists saw the money spent in stupid ways, buildings to be left boarded up for years and completed buildings not bring about the promised expansion. Hundreds, if not thousands of dedicated Scientologists departed Scientology due to their upsets over how the “Ideal Org Program” played out in their area. By throwing 60 of the worst orgs all into the same pot, there is ZERO accountability. Just another slush fund like the IAS. All upsets and questions can now be met with making the person wrong and asking what they are doing to give more money or get others to give more money for ideal orgs. Anyone that dares question things will have their head put on a pike so the rest of the sheep keep their mouth closed. Like the IAS, it is a bottomless black hole to suck in the money of Scientologists that think they are sacrificing for the benefit of the world. The Shermanator will feed Miscavige some over the top generalities to feed the clapping seals and the con will go on….
From: Lucifer
To: David Miscavige
Your suffering will be legendary, even in Hell.
Scribe:”Your suffering will be legendary, even in Hell”.
I owe you another beer if ever we meet. Please keep track for me.
My minds aren’t what they used to be.
The only reason all Orgs have to achieve Ideal Org status simultaneously is so little David doesn’t have to make an appearance at any ribbon cuttings in the next decade (or two) and expose himself to being personally served a subpoena in the pending Jane Doe lawsuit and others coming down the pike.
Good insight!
DM is the mini and mighty menace afraid to come into the light.
It’s only a question of ‘when’ he will be legally served and sequestered. The ‘if’ question was non valid at his first crime against humanity.
Arlene, DM’s setting it up so he will NEVER have to appear in ‘public’ perform for the whales. All he needs if a jumbo video screen blowing hisself up to 70 times his actual size to WOW them while he stays safely ensconced in his super-secret hidden lair accompanied only by his video technicians, makeup crew, and personal chefs. With his head blown up to 900 feet cross, he’ll FINALLY have the apparent stature he believes is suitable for a ‘big being’ like him, master of the coolest “religion” EVAH.
Don’t forget the booze!! Like an Amex Card, the Captain won’t leave home without it.
I recently emailed an ex-twin who’s still in. Enjoy his “handling!”
ME: Hey xxx – it’s been awhile!
How are things going?
HIM: Hi are you in good standing?
ME: I am, despite the fact that I think David Miscavige is a criminal and L. Ron Hubbard was a con man.
PS: I know you’ll disconnect from me because you’re not allowed to think for yourself, and don’t want to get in trouble by upsetting the powers that be.
HIM: Fuck u!
Assholes never change!
Don’t write me back
ME: Looks like you’ve still got those anger issues. That shit doesn’t work on me anymore.
“Are you in good standing?”
Was the first thing he said.
Your typical cult-bot.
Thank God and Buddha and Vishnu and Xenu that I don’t love any of these people.
Thank G, B, V and X that the people I loved died before I could bring them into this organization.
Yes Aqua, he’s being a very good Scientologist so in case our little interchange comes up, he’ll be able to say he handled that SP just like Uncle Ron said.
Looks like he disconnected from you. The big question I have is would you hang out with him if he weren’t a scientologist?
Probably not, but if he were out, that would be a possibility. The dude was in the RPF for something like 11 years! He’s most likely going to go down with the ship. Sad.
How degraded can a person get after 11 years in the RPF? It was sad to see SO staff who I knew sent to the RPF. None looked well. The sooner that ship goes down the better.
Let’s all help sink it.
I’m in. I kept the Freewinds afloat for 16 years. It would not be hard to sink it.
George M. White , Not only Tubby not offer PROOF of anything he spouted, he didn’t even offer evidence. Throughout, his bare naked assertion was evidence enough in his feeble fevered mind.
Jere, it seems to me that what Hubbard did was to use anecdotes – often just a single supposed case example, though even those are hardly rigorous if not even suspicious, such as if they were elicited from subjects under suggestive or hypnotic conditions.
Thus we now see the anedotalism of credulous followers like “Foolproof,” who, not actually understanding science or properly rigorous research, believe things on the same basis as those who believe the earth is flat, or that the sun rotates around the earth – for which plenty of anecdotal evidence can be found.
AND the reg cycle is COMPLETE when the money is RECEIVED. Delivery of ANYTHING other than statuses meaningful only to the other clapping seals is VERBOTEN by the Dwarfenführer.
” “Have you noticed that scientology celebrities are the only ones that almost always have their religion snidely mentioned whenever anyone writes articles about them?”
Well, it COULDN’T be because said celebrities define THEMSELVES by their so-called religion every chance they get, like it’s a badge of honor or something.
They haven’t gotten the memo that being a scientologist is a BAD thing for your Hollywood career these days, and that the downward slide is rapidly accelerating? No, of COURSE not, they don’t LISTEN to anything which could upset them.
OT IX and X are getting closer to release!?? Perhaps, if you’re talking about a millimeter closer out of the BILLIONS of light years away DM is to releasing SOMETHING he’ll call IX and/or X. And it’ll take only the slightest setback in DM’s mind to push ANY release years further down the road.
And”the slightest setback in DM’s mind could be “Lou” rejecting his drunken advances once, leaving him with only a date with his tiny right hand.
Birds of a feather. Very likely she’s just as much of a psychopath as he is, and just as vicious.
I hear he’s ambidextrous.
Oh my. Does that mean he has 4 arms?
No but he has four stripes on his Captain’s jacket, not that it means shit. Dude is one big poser.
Lol
“Twenty years of donations?” That reminded me of the old classic joke/riddle that goes,
Q: Why did the moron hit his head with a hammer?
A: Because it felt so good when he stopped.
One thing you gotta hand to the still-ins. They’re tenacious gluttons for punishment. It’s kind of amazing that there are still those who haven’t yet reached their breaking point. Maybe the real Clear cognition goes, “It feels so good when you stop.”
I really went clear when I realized that Ron was mocking the whole thing up.
What perfect wordplay “the clear cognition”!
Gives the regges ammunition.
Yeah, Chris, the still-ins DO have a remarkable ability to absorb punishment, don’t they?
Battered wife syndrome.
“Do TC and DM worry about no one taking scn seriously?
The real problem is when people, like us for instance, take scientology entirely at its word. Particularly the tubby one’s long-ago ‘wisdom’ now taken to be ‘scripture’.
$cientology / David Miscavige’s cult is nothing but incomplete actions.
The ONLY complete cycle in $cientology is the REGG cycle.
It is only abou the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and keeping Miscavige at the top controlling it so he can live his lavish lifestyle and take his tiny man frustrations out on the Sea Org slaves that are unfortunate to be under the $cientological $pell of mind control.
RB shows us once again how cognitive dissonance manifests in two people caught in the bubble. LOL
Rosemarie, can’t you just take a pen and pop the bubble?
OSD:”Rosemarie, can’t you just take a pen and pop the bubble?”
But, but, BUT if someone DOES pop their bubble, they’ll be left with nothing to calm their fevered minds. They’ll HAVE to learn how to live in the REAL WORLD®, doncha’ know?
The real world!!! I don’t think cult members can take it!
Miscavige was never able to get past the Maiden Voyage disaster which happened more than thirty years ago. Get over it Scientologists. There is no OT VIII, OT IX, or OT X. Hubbard spent his whole life talking about how a “theoretical thetan” would behave. Hubbard never had any scientific proof. If you audit all of his implants in History of Man to a total “flat point” with an e-meter, there are no OT powers. Hubbard cultivated a “cheap knowingness” which he copied from Occult books. Miscavige adopted it to run the entire church by himself. It led him to “ideal orgs” – another failure.
Right on George!
George, it isn’t possible to audit all of the implant incidents in History of Man to a flat point on an e-meter (or otherwise). Why? These incidents don’t exist. There is no Plitdown Man, Clam, Coffee Grinder, Halver, etc. It’s just stuff Hubbard pulled out of his ass. Auditing these incidents is like trying to audit the time a unicorn was mean to me or any other nonsense the old con man made up. Some fool can come along and defend Hubbard and the ‘tech’ because it made them feel better, so what. Lots of things can make a person feel better for a while and it doesn’t have to cost them a shiny penny and they don’t have to be affiliated with a wack-job cult and all the “benefits” that go with that. No ‘OT’ abilities will be gained but as you correctly point out, no ‘OT’ abilities are gained by doing scientology processes.
Ms. B. Haven:
“George, it isn’t possible to audit all of the implant incidents in History of Man to a flat point on an e-meter (or otherwise). Why? These incidents don’t exist. There is no Plitdown Man, Clam, Coffee Grinder, Halver, etc. It’s just stuff Hubbard pulled out of his ass. ”
Sad to say, having read that garbage and then hearing about it in discussions has glued it into my brain. I don’t want to audit them out, I just want to FORGET them!
I suppose everyone who went through the Wall of Fire accepted it as factual reality or put it into some acceptable frame of reference. I guess the same thing could be said about the implants. One time someone told me shut up and I got a sore jaw. Maybe he restimulated my clam implant.
(joke)
As a clam it’s difficult to keep your jaw shut when a bird is dropping you onto a rock from a hundred feet above.
In my particular experience, I always got reads on the e-meter when auditing even the most extreme incidents from History of Man. My guess is that this happened because I was so conditioned by Hubbard that I would believe anything. Hence the reads. So the incidents existed in my own mind transferred by Hubbard’s “magic”. The incidents never existed in reality but I experienced them. Even when auditing OT VIII on the Freewinds I got all of the flows and the sensations. This was part of the cult aspect of Scientology. I read an excellent summary of the “Heaven’s Gate” incident. Those people actually had the same sort of feelings in regard to meeting the space ship.
Maybe it’s it’s kind of like “Don’t think about an elephant.” or in the case of implants “Don’t think about a unicorn.”
I think it’s safe to say that auditing stimulated creative imagination. Most people had no difficulty in coming up with an “earlier similar incident”.
Likewise in life I think most people experience just about all of the variations of attitudes, emotions, sensations and pains and these could be “run” in association with scientology “processes”.
Richard, it’s a well known phenomenon that when individuals are in a light trance or suggestible state such as auditing sets up, they can think very imaginatively and tap into the mind’s below-conscious functioning. For instance, when given a command to come up with something “earlier” – which presumes there is something earlier, all though they may not be – the compliant subject may make up a creative answer, such as a fabricated early experience or past life account. This is also the same sort of subtle leading, which produces what are known as false memories, that resulted for instance in the infamous, fabulous accounts and accusations of satanic ritual abuse of preschool children.
When some interesting research was done in the 1970s and 1980s that debunked phenomenon such as past lives – I’ve often linked to some of it – one of the fascinating experiments they ran was to first go through the standard suggestive practice of putting people in a state like a light trance, and asking them to “go back” until they came up with something like a past life account. Subjects were then fully hypnotized and asked where the idea for that account came from, at which point they could often recall some below-conscious source such as a movie they saw or a story they heard in their youth.
An article in Wikipedia on World Population estimates 100 billion human beings have walked the earth. Probably billions of people over time have witnessed or experienced things which could be classified as extrasensory, paranormal, supernatural, transcendental, satori and so on. Maybe it’s the result of chemicals being released in the human brain. Unlikely to be resolved soon. 🙂
There is belief, disbelief and suspension of disbelief. I never really thought I could be “exterior with full perception” but maybe it was possible. There are stories about remote viewing and astral planing around the universe which sounds like fun.
George, you’re definitely on to something when you say we were conditioned by Hubbard (and all those on staff who came after). I remember wanting to go around and audit people on Book 1 in the early 80s. It was making a minor comeback then. My idea was to take someone that knew absolutely nothing about the subject and just run the auditing commands on them. This went absolutely nowhere with any of my victims. However, if I took some time to explain to them what I wanted to achieve with them or had them read something about dianetics I was able to run the processes on them, up to a point.
From my own experience holding the cans, I was never able to find and run an engram even though I was being audited with the latest and greatest ‘tech’, NED (new era dianetics for you newbies and never-ins). I made a vow to myself not to pretend or fake anything so I went in being totally honest. When I was asked a question and it got a read on the meter, I would answer but it never went anywhere because there was nothing to find. I slogged through many ‘intensives’ of this garbage hoping beyond hope that it would work for me but it never did. Not only was I totally frustrated and disappointed, so were all of the auditors that got stuck with me. I feel SO MUCH BETTER being gone and away from the cult forever.
When I did my auditing as a Class IV, I to this day I cannot believe how popular I was among PC’s. Of course it was all for free, But people really tried to get repeat sessions. The reg’s would beg me to do the sessions because they could close for real money after an experience with me. The truth of the matter was that I never really accepted Hubbard’s training. It all seemed so stupid. The floating needle was fine but the questions were terrible. I felt that somehow the entire auditing process was flawed because you never really got in communication with the PC. I presented myself as an upstat business person which I was at the time. Very well dressed and affluent. I sort of made my way by asking only the questions that seemed relevant. I never tried to get a floating needle because it was insane to try it. But I did get a lot of F/N’s becaue I was really concerned and compassionate with the PC’s. I just took the attitude that they would respond to my self assurance. It worked. I was really easy with them and waited for them to talk. Amazing and I did not follow Hubbard.
George, I do believe what you experienced and your explanation for it are true. But I had an almost opposite experience. I was doing the Dating Drill in the emeter book and we had to pick random dates and write it on a paper and have the partner on the meter “get” the date by using meter reads on an “over” and “under” thing until they homed in on the correct date. I found one date that read good on everyone and it was the year 75 Million Years ago. I was Clear or below at that time and had not done the OT Levels. And most, if not all the people doing the dating drill were also Below OT I.
As soon as my OT III Course Sup found out I was using the date 75 Million years ago, he made me pick a different date. I argued and said, “but it reads so well on many people.” He said to just trust him that I needed to can that date and not use it. (I found out later that that was the year of Incident II on OT III.) So how did that read on people who were below OT III and had not read any of the materials yet?
Amazing. I have similar experience. When I did OT III, I decided to run it only if it read on the meter. Well, I had a massive read. But I had read the incident in Hubbard’s handwriting. I concluded that I was “conditioned” for the read. When I ran all of implants on OT VIII, the reads were fast, and large. But I never got any thetan or OT powers. So I concluded that I was just reading on his data because I was a loyal follower. When I hit my first past life incident, it blew me away. Later I concluded that all I ever hit was a scene from the movie Ben Hur in Rome.
The proof to me was never any OT powers. Not even slight. Of course, I had the obvious ideas of subjective reality in my travels to Venus and Mars. But it all turned false.
Hi Cindy – I Left scientology in 1982 before doing the OT levels and I’m pretty sure I knew of the 75 million number. Ron’s Wall of Fire was a Very Big Deal in scientology and word gets around.
You mention we, many, everyone, but how many was the actual number? When did you do the dating drill? Could the students have seen that number on outside media or even in scientology magazines?
I’m not being critical but just mentioning there are several variables which can be involved.
GEORGE, of COURSE there is OT VIII, 3 different versions of it IIRC. It’s anything after that which he” have a nearly impossible time producing. Of course, he cold take the “chutes and ladders” tack and make the VIIIs re-do everything again, including the endless objectives of the SRD, re-re-doing the Student Hat and Primary RD AGAIN, and so forth.
OH MY! He’s already done that? All he has to do is keep everyone on the holding pattern until he dies and no longer has ANY reason to “advance” scientology, not that he intended to advance scientology with any of the actions he’s done to date. The only thing improving in scn is his bank, a huge pile of unmarked(he hopes) bills he sometime gets nekkid to roll around in. Which reminds me: If DM or his cohorts ever offer yo cash payment, be sure to wash your hands thoroughly before you eat.
Sometimes RB stirs up my old craziness, my inability to see how stupid it was for almost thirty years. When I see other old timers saying what they say in the comments, I realize that I’m not alone. I’ve only been out a couple of years, so I’m still trying to find my way out of the maze, but I’ll say this: We’re almost out of credit card debt, and should be by the end of the year! I can only imagine the stress and pressure left on the remaining people that are still in, or those that are newly in. And with so much bad press nowadays, I just can’t see how people even get close to the place. I thought it was bad in the early 2000’s.
Dotey, you’re out! You’re free! Nothing can stop you! As for your craziness…we’re all a little crazy! Now, get out there and kick some ass!
Congrats Dotey OT! It’s so encouraging to hear of former Scientologists who DO find a great life on the outside, who are able to struggle back to their feet and recover.
It is a testament to those who are still-in that they will not be ruined if they leave, they will not die alone of drug abuse or insanity in some alleyway somewhere, and that there are many people outside who will care for them.
Tell your friends 🙂
Congratulations and well done, Dotey! And besides all the other benefits, its GREAT not being broke anymore, isn’t it? Such a WEIGHT that lifts off of you, knowing not only that you can but pay your bills and credit cards on time, but pay down that killer compound credit card interest too! Its a great feeling!
Typos and spelling and grammar, oh my. I really must get in the habit of editing before I hit “send”.
Aquamarine:’Typos and spelling and grammar, oh my. I really must get in the habit of editing before I hit “send”.’
As shud we al.
HER: Honey, there’s something I’m withholding.
HIM: What is it dear?
HER: It’s kind of hard to tell you.
HIM: That’s okay – you’ll feel better if you get it off your chest.
HER: You promise you won’t get upset with me?
HIM: Nothing you could say would upset me.
HER: Okay, here goes. David Miscavige is full of shit.
I had no idea that David Miscavige was full of shit! This is an eye opening revelation!
Just kidding!!! He’s a douchbag! A fucking douchbag!
Scribe, you made me laugh.
😂
Scribe, if Davey-boy’s full of shit, that doesn’t add up to much, really. How much can exist in that teenie, tiny body after he’s had his fill of whiskey?
The problem with the “kid”, and scientology in general, is that there’s no “there” there; nothing to see, move along.
Suspend rational thought all ye who enter here. I guess when LRH could convince us that we went UP a bridge, not across it, he knew we were hooked.
Glad I’m free of that thought prison.
And you were definitely in a thought prison! But you were smart enough to see through everything. Very glad that you’re out!!! Hip, Hip….
Old, *shudder* If you finish that sentence, I will come and take your surfboard away for all eternity.
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!
Ouch!
Don’t these orgs have to go Ideal, so that they can go St Hill Size, and only THEN will COB release OT IX and X? (Which of course he knows will never happen in his lifetime, so he doesn’t need to worry about the fact that OT IX and X don’t exist)
In any case, there’s actually very little information about Scientology on their website. A wog who landed there “curious” wouldn’t really find anything of substance but directions to their nearest org. It’s like a website that won’t tell you how much the product costs, but invites you to send away for a brochure or a video or a sales visit – then you know it must be REALLY expensive.
The Diminutive Midget keeps extending the carrot stick further and further so as to collect more money to throw into offshore accounts so he can be protected and live lavishly once the cult fades and dies. There ain’t no carrot and that’s why the money stick is getting longer
DM’s initials now stand for Doofus Mindfucker.
Isn’t that the name of some cowboy?
I think it’s Dave, The Lone De-Ranger.
Glenn, that ‘carrot’ is plastic and getting pretty faded and ratty to any who still have some ability to actually look at what is promised and what, if anything, is delivered.
What’s so bad about eating a plastic carrots? I use to eat them all the time! Delicious!
David Miscavige truly is Scientology’s Wizard of Oz, and the staff and public collectively are Dorothy, the Scarecrow, the Tin Man and the Cowardly Lion.
The Wizard is making Dorothy and her friend jump thru all kinds of hoops and perform all kinds of tasks before he releases OT 9 and 10.
I’d say his worst NIGHTMARE would be “EVERY org on the planet Ideal by next year”.
Of course, it won’t happen, but can you IMAGINE if somehow “Dorothy” and her friends pulled that OFF?
What would Miscavige DO?
He’s in the same position as the Wizard. There IS no OT 9 and 10.
My guess is that, like the Wizard, he’d blow. Make up some excuse that Ron wants/needs him to do “vital” research “off the lines”. Then a major farewell speech, and…so long, suckers!
Ron’s the Wizard of Oz, Dave’s the Cowardly Lion.
MarcAnon, his obvious strategy is always to move the goal line further and further away while asserting it’s always been “there”.
When I was on V, I met an old lady, long time scientologist, who told me that she was on her preps for OT IX. That was more than 20 years ago. She has probably dropped her body by now but DM got her money and doesn’t give a shit.
That’s what makes Dave so OT. He’s achieved that super-high level of ripping people off, breaking up families and fair gaming anyone he doesn’t like without the slightest tinge of remorse. You rot Dave!
All sighyuntallogists should simply google “what is brainwashing”. If you are a member you can do this and not be exposed to any direct entheta that might cause you problems, like not being able to attend church services and polish a pew bench on Sunday morning, or whatever day it is that’s set aside to worship
💩 Mr. Hubbard 💩
Or upset the miniature plastic figurine masquerading as a human being that head up scamology —
🤪David Miscavige 🤪
Good luck to you all! And Hip hip hooray! 🦇🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🦇
Jaded Beings: ARE there pews in the orgs, now? I haven’t been in one for a very long time
Thanks, RB,
Since I have been out so long it is good to be reminded of “bubble logic” of the last remaining Scientologists