Must be tough being a low-level Sea Org peon. I wonder if the “elite” auditors that work with celebrities or do the profitable L Rundowns or do OT 8-level case supervising are better treated.
OT but I thought everyone here would like to know – I was in the checkout line at the grocery store today, and the cover of US magazine (I think it was US; I know it wasn’t People) was all about Scamology. They obviously watched the end of Aftermath show – plenty of lurid photos and questions about D Masterson. I really hope People mag picks up, since they publish actually verifiable stuff – can’t take US very seriously. But still – w00t!!
SO true: IF the clams were to talk over their experiences, they would go into Doubt — for good reasons. That’s why it, is a CRIME to be “reason”able; using your reasoning abilities, because there really is no rhyme or reason-ING to the stuff he came out with.
SO true: IF the clams were to talk over their experiences, they would go into Doubt — for good reasons. That’s why ot’s a crime to be “reasonable; using your reasoning abilities, because there really is no rhyme or reason-ING to the stuff he came out with.
Also auditors are too stupid to ask themselves what criminal acts they do. They are proud to be not reasonable.
And push their stuff and hypnosis directly into the pc s head. No heart, directly into the head of the paying cultist to become a Miscavige hubbards zombie.
As an auditor in the old days I always thought I was doing good for the “preclear”. Elron always lauded auditors. Maybe these days whoever makes the most money gets lauded the most.
Actually Richard, back when Elcon controlled he “lauded” those who reg’ed money FAR more than he did auditors. Next was management and way down were auditors. Yes, he paid lip service to auditors but the REAL tangible rewards were given out as I wrote above.
All part of his con to get people to deliver his scam basically for free.
Richard, as an auditor did you prevent PCs from leaving the room if they wanted to – as is specifically part of the job when Hubbard’s rules deem it necessary – or anything else that bothered you then, or now? I’m interested to know what your experience was in that regard.
I do get that it seemed to you like helping people at the time, and that in a couple of years at a mission the bigger picture and long-term consequences might not have been obvious.
And I suspect that Miscavige has de-emphasized auditing because it’s no longer possible to sweep the cases of psychosis, suicide and murder under the rug, the way it was in Hubbard’s day. The Lisa McPherson case, with all the media attention, and a couple of other sensational cases, I think forced him to cut back on processes with inherent dangers, just as the abreaction therapy that inspired Hubbard had to be abandoned once its long-term consequences were fully understood.
Did you handle or know of any cases of people who got worse or went psychotic, or of scientologists who harmed themselves or others?
I actually personally knew some of the people involved in infamous cases of Scientology suicide and murder, including a “reverend” and “OT.”
Besides the long, multi-part ESMB thread How many people went type III (ie. had a Psychotic Break) in your org?, there are two newer ones to which people have been adding recently:
This also ties in to Brian’s new piece, where he writes about how an auditor can forcefully implant a PC, when following Hubbard’s processes. That sort of manipulation of the mind and psyche can lead to unintended, and adverse, consequences.
PeaceMaker – My participation was 1975-1982. Back then Dianetic auditing came before grades auditing. I was an interned Dianetic auditor which also qualified me to do other introductory auditing like self analysis lists.
I only worked on staff for about a year and a half and maybe I audited 15 or 20 people, staff and public, and it was all smooth sailing. Maybe or probably the overall intention was to create blind followers but auditing wasn’t an “Inquisition”.
O/T. Yesterday, I posted about Scientology Freedom Medal Winner Nation of Islam Minister Tony Muhammad using a fake Time magazine cover to attack vaccines. Today, I have two Twitter updates. The first contains a video excerpt of Minister Tony Muhammad using the fake Time magazine cover. The second includes both the real Time magazine cover and the fake Time magazine cover.
All you folks down in Florida be safe now. And if you haven’t boogied away from the east coast already, I hope you have a snorkle handy. Because I don’t think those OT’s over in Clearwater are going to make Dorian disappear any time soon.
AND if the CW OTs don’t “do it” soon, it ain’t gonna matter. IIRC, the FH is high enough up that hill and sufficiently well-built that they’re likely to be physically safe, but their psychic safety is always at risk there.
Then again, the Sandcastle is RIGHT by the Bay, there, so is vulnerable to even a moderate storm surge. RUN, CLAMS, RUN!
I doubt there will too bad of a storm surge in Clearwater, as it’s on the opposite coast from where Dorian’s supposed to hit. What we are going to get in the Tampa Bay area is rain. And rain. And more rain. And it’s already rained way more than usual lately, so the ground (what ground we have) is soaked.
I’m picturing Miscavige stuck in a little boat with a little oar.
That conversation reminded me of a very funny movie, “Mystery Men.” I’ve seen it more than a couple of times and it’s still hilarious. The Mystery Men are a group of super heroes with very dubious powers, who fight crime in Champion City. For example, there’s Mister Furious (Ben Stiller) who gets extremely angry when confronted by enemy foes. The Blue Raja (Hank Azaria) is skilled at throwing kitchen utensils and cutlery. And the less said about the Spleen the better.
Those gullible young SO staffers make me think of the character Invisible Boy, who can disappear only if everyone turns their back. It’s so ironic that Scios can’t see the farcical humor they create.
But hey, there’s a perfectly good explanation, and it comes from the Clown Emperor himself. It’s L. Ron Hubbard in perhaps his most ironic moment:
“. . . the targets of satire are always the last to laugh. Due to various personal reasons, they cannot see the joke. But satire is not written for them. It is written for others so that, like the fable, they can see that the “emperor has no clothes.”
Chris, Mystery Men is way up there on my list of underappreciated comic masterpieces. And, iRONically, not only can the Invisible Boy NOT be invisible if someone else is looking at him, he ‘turns visible’ if he looks at himself! Great metaphor for true believers in general.
What is posted above makes me remember all of the time I wasted on Hubbard’s “Creative Processing”.
You get the point of Hubbard’s insanity when you imagine that you are on Venus and believe that you are on Venus. The cult kicks in and you think you are actually there, but then you see that it is all in your mind. This was Hubbard’s trick. It was the area he could never resolve but he talked about it for millions and millions of words. You get to the PDC’s and he starts talking about “agreement”. This was the way he got me into his sick game. Some spend their entire lives going around in circles. The fortunate ones see that in the end he is bluffing.
If I did not meet people in Scientology who were more dedicated, I would have left it years earlier. The second aspect is that I at first followed Hubbard. It was the older, more experienced people who actually kept me in. So well portrayed in the post above.
I was never in Scientology, but what you say, George, about believing you were on Venus reminds me of some other New Age woo I was into for quite awhile. One thing this group did was always say, “Be in the corner of the room,” which really meant, “Imagine you’re in the corner of the room looking down at yourself.” Then they’d make you go back into the center of your head, and back and forth, then to the moon and the “edge” of the universe and back. I mean, imagine you’re back in the center of your head, back the corner of the room, the moon, etc. You end up believing — because it’s assumed by everyone in the group — that you’re actually leaving your body and going back and forth. Which I think induces a kind of dissociation, which makes one even more manipulable. It feels different than normal consciousness, so you can persuade yourself that it must be because your soul was traveling all around. I didn’t think of the group as a cult at the time (and for sure it wasn’t as abusive or rapacious as Scientology), but I found out a couple years ago that the founder borrowed several ideas like this from Scientology.
The RB cartoon is both very funny and very sad. So many years of so many people’s lives laid waste. All that potential flushed down a cult. Imagine what might have been if all those people had actually been free and actually helping others instead of being controlled and indoctrinating others.
That “move to the corner of the room” etc is almost exactly the same as the processes contained in Hubbards Creation Of Human Ability which was the pinnacle of his “OT” “creative processing” “breakthroughs”…
I THOUGHT that sounded awfully familiar when Cat described the process. “woo” is SUCH A right descriptor for that ‘stuff’. I’m SO glad to beeves this far removed from its effects.
Someone once posted a reference to a Freezone site which had about twenty of these mental gymnastic type processes which I browsed over. I suppose if someone was adventurous they could try them out with mixed results or maybe some Freezoners have already done so.
While I was browsing that site I was thinking that DM could easily package them and offer them as OT9 and OT10 but he’ll probably figure out a different way to keep the shit show on the road.
Nondualism and some branches of Zen Buddhism give credence to “instant enlightenment”. Some happenstance occurs or you wake up one morning enlightened. “I” is a ” timeless observer ” watching the never ending now go by with no projections into the future or attention on the past. It might take years to fully adjust to that state of awareness, so they say.
Hubbard knew that Western man likes to get shit done and wouldn’t be satisfied with sitting around in serenity. He put zing in the thing by promising super powerz and being able to do cool stuff like exteriorizing and blowing up planets.
When I get to be a Scientologist, I’m gonna live one of the most miserably fucked up lives imaginable! That way, everyone will know I’m one of the most able beings on the planet and a member of the most ethical group on the planet!
Must be tough being a low-level Sea Org peon. I wonder if the “elite” auditors that work with celebrities or do the profitable L Rundowns or do OT 8-level case supervising are better treated.
Stay safe, you and yours.
OT but I thought everyone here would like to know – I was in the checkout line at the grocery store today, and the cover of US magazine (I think it was US; I know it wasn’t People) was all about Scamology. They obviously watched the end of Aftermath show – plenty of lurid photos and questions about D Masterson. I really hope People mag picks up, since they publish actually verifiable stuff – can’t take US very seriously. But still – w00t!!
SO true: IF the clams were to talk over their experiences, they would go into Doubt — for good reasons. That’s why it, is a CRIME to be “reason”able; using your reasoning abilities, because there really is no rhyme or reason-ING to the stuff he came out with.
SO true: IF the clams were to talk over their experiences, they would go into Doubt — for good reasons. That’s why ot’s a crime to be “reasonable; using your reasoning abilities, because there really is no rhyme or reason-ING to the stuff he came out with.
Really good point.
Also auditors are too stupid to ask themselves what criminal acts they do. They are proud to be not reasonable.
And push their stuff and hypnosis directly into the pc s head. No heart, directly into the head of the paying cultist to become a Miscavige hubbards zombie.
Funny or sad?
As an auditor in the old days I always thought I was doing good for the “preclear”. Elron always lauded auditors. Maybe these days whoever makes the most money gets lauded the most.
The org promotion lauds donors and status as much or more than “progress on the bridge”. DM pulled a slick trick.
Actually Richard, back when Elcon controlled he “lauded” those who reg’ed money FAR more than he did auditors. Next was management and way down were auditors. Yes, he paid lip service to auditors but the REAL tangible rewards were given out as I wrote above.
All part of his con to get people to deliver his scam basically for free.
Wynski – I’ll take your word for it. My ego is crushed – I thought I was *special*!
(joke)
Richard, as an auditor did you prevent PCs from leaving the room if they wanted to – as is specifically part of the job when Hubbard’s rules deem it necessary – or anything else that bothered you then, or now? I’m interested to know what your experience was in that regard.
I do get that it seemed to you like helping people at the time, and that in a couple of years at a mission the bigger picture and long-term consequences might not have been obvious.
And I suspect that Miscavige has de-emphasized auditing because it’s no longer possible to sweep the cases of psychosis, suicide and murder under the rug, the way it was in Hubbard’s day. The Lisa McPherson case, with all the media attention, and a couple of other sensational cases, I think forced him to cut back on processes with inherent dangers, just as the abreaction therapy that inspired Hubbard had to be abandoned once its long-term consequences were fully understood.
Did you handle or know of any cases of people who got worse or went psychotic, or of scientologists who harmed themselves or others?
I actually personally knew some of the people involved in infamous cases of Scientology suicide and murder, including a “reverend” and “OT.”
Besides the long, multi-part ESMB thread How many people went type III (ie. had a Psychotic Break) in your org?, there are two newer ones to which people have been adding recently:
A story of Disconnection, neglect and suicide in scientology
https://exscn.net/forum/threads/a-story-of-disconnection-neglect-and-suicide-in-scientology.43112/
“Long strings of psychotics”
https://exscn.net/forum/threads/long-strings-of-psychotics.50561/
This also ties in to Brian’s new piece, where he writes about how an auditor can forcefully implant a PC, when following Hubbard’s processes. That sort of manipulation of the mind and psyche can lead to unintended, and adverse, consequences.
PeaceMaker – My participation was 1975-1982. Back then Dianetic auditing came before grades auditing. I was an interned Dianetic auditor which also qualified me to do other introductory auditing like self analysis lists.
I only worked on staff for about a year and a half and maybe I audited 15 or 20 people, staff and public, and it was all smooth sailing. Maybe or probably the overall intention was to create blind followers but auditing wasn’t an “Inquisition”.
O/T. Yesterday, I posted about Scientology Freedom Medal Winner Nation of Islam Minister Tony Muhammad using a fake Time magazine cover to attack vaccines. Today, I have two Twitter updates. The first contains a video excerpt of Minister Tony Muhammad using the fake Time magazine cover. The second includes both the real Time magazine cover and the fake Time magazine cover.
https://twitter.com/ISNOINews/status/1167177331632291840
https://twitter.com/ISNOINews/status/1167517803508715520
/
ISNOINEWS: news of even FURTHER insanity caused by that mashup of two high-control cults is hardly off-topic;O/T, IMO
All you folks down in Florida be safe now. And if you haven’t boogied away from the east coast already, I hope you have a snorkle handy. Because I don’t think those OT’s over in Clearwater are going to make Dorian disappear any time soon.
AND if the CW OTs don’t “do it” soon, it ain’t gonna matter. IIRC, the FH is high enough up that hill and sufficiently well-built that they’re likely to be physically safe, but their psychic safety is always at risk there.
Then again, the Sandcastle is RIGHT by the Bay, there, so is vulnerable to even a moderate storm surge. RUN, CLAMS, RUN!
I doubt there will too bad of a storm surge in Clearwater, as it’s on the opposite coast from where Dorian’s supposed to hit. What we are going to get in the Tampa Bay area is rain. And rain. And more rain. And it’s already rained way more than usual lately, so the ground (what ground we have) is soaked.
I’m picturing Miscavige stuck in a little boat with a little oar.
“I’m picturing Miscavige stuck in a little boat with a little oar.”
And then, he throws the paddle away for being CI…
That conversation reminded me of a very funny movie, “Mystery Men.” I’ve seen it more than a couple of times and it’s still hilarious. The Mystery Men are a group of super heroes with very dubious powers, who fight crime in Champion City. For example, there’s Mister Furious (Ben Stiller) who gets extremely angry when confronted by enemy foes. The Blue Raja (Hank Azaria) is skilled at throwing kitchen utensils and cutlery. And the less said about the Spleen the better.
Those gullible young SO staffers make me think of the character Invisible Boy, who can disappear only if everyone turns their back. It’s so ironic that Scios can’t see the farcical humor they create.
But hey, there’s a perfectly good explanation, and it comes from the Clown Emperor himself. It’s L. Ron Hubbard in perhaps his most ironic moment:
“. . . the targets of satire are always the last to laugh. Due to various personal reasons, they cannot see the joke. But satire is not written for them. It is written for others so that, like the fable, they can see that the “emperor has no clothes.”
Chris, Mystery Men is way up there on my list of underappreciated comic masterpieces. And, iRONically, not only can the Invisible Boy NOT be invisible if someone else is looking at him, he ‘turns visible’ if he looks at himself! Great metaphor for true believers in general.
First one here to show me real OT powers gets one million dollars!
Why am I not worried about paying out? 😂
I don’t do parlor tricks!
Oh, c’mon! I’m sure you’re great at what you do!
Yes, Oat! Please, pretty please, pretty please with sugar on top, just one leetle, teensy parlor trick for little, not-OT ussums?
(We’ve asked you nicely, Oat. Now, do it, or you’re fucking toast.)
And the scamology beat goes on…
What is posted above makes me remember all of the time I wasted on Hubbard’s “Creative Processing”.
You get the point of Hubbard’s insanity when you imagine that you are on Venus and believe that you are on Venus. The cult kicks in and you think you are actually there, but then you see that it is all in your mind. This was Hubbard’s trick. It was the area he could never resolve but he talked about it for millions and millions of words. You get to the PDC’s and he starts talking about “agreement”. This was the way he got me into his sick game. Some spend their entire lives going around in circles. The fortunate ones see that in the end he is bluffing.
If I did not meet people in Scientology who were more dedicated, I would have left it years earlier. The second aspect is that I at first followed Hubbard. It was the older, more experienced people who actually kept me in. So well portrayed in the post above.
I was never in Scientology, but what you say, George, about believing you were on Venus reminds me of some other New Age woo I was into for quite awhile. One thing this group did was always say, “Be in the corner of the room,” which really meant, “Imagine you’re in the corner of the room looking down at yourself.” Then they’d make you go back into the center of your head, and back and forth, then to the moon and the “edge” of the universe and back. I mean, imagine you’re back in the center of your head, back the corner of the room, the moon, etc. You end up believing — because it’s assumed by everyone in the group — that you’re actually leaving your body and going back and forth. Which I think induces a kind of dissociation, which makes one even more manipulable. It feels different than normal consciousness, so you can persuade yourself that it must be because your soul was traveling all around. I didn’t think of the group as a cult at the time (and for sure it wasn’t as abusive or rapacious as Scientology), but I found out a couple years ago that the founder borrowed several ideas like this from Scientology.
The RB cartoon is both very funny and very sad. So many years of so many people’s lives laid waste. All that potential flushed down a cult. Imagine what might have been if all those people had actually been free and actually helping others instead of being controlled and indoctrinating others.
That “move to the corner of the room” etc is almost exactly the same as the processes contained in Hubbards Creation Of Human Ability which was the pinnacle of his “OT” “creative processing” “breakthroughs”…
I THOUGHT that sounded awfully familiar when Cat described the process. “woo” is SUCH A right descriptor for that ‘stuff’. I’m SO glad to beeves this far removed from its effects.
Oops! Fumbly fingers meet auto-correct:”Beeves”should have been “Be even”.
His “creative processes” were VERY creative: totally imaginary, created whole cloth from his feeble mind.
Very interesting to find this in other areas.
Yep, the infection spreads beyond the initial group delusion.
Someone once posted a reference to a Freezone site which had about twenty of these mental gymnastic type processes which I browsed over. I suppose if someone was adventurous they could try them out with mixed results or maybe some Freezoners have already done so.
While I was browsing that site I was thinking that DM could easily package them and offer them as OT9 and OT10 but he’ll probably figure out a different way to keep the shit show on the road.
I sure miss Tom Cruise Guy, RB 😉
TC was such an EASY target! Beneath your true skill-level to vanquish.
Rewards ahead? Scientologists miss their chance.
You can’t get TO where you already Are as a nondualist or Zen Buddhist might say.
Nondualism and some branches of Zen Buddhism give credence to “instant enlightenment”. Some happenstance occurs or you wake up one morning enlightened. “I” is a ” timeless observer ” watching the never ending now go by with no projections into the future or attention on the past. It might take years to fully adjust to that state of awareness, so they say.
Hubbard knew that Western man likes to get shit done and wouldn’t be satisfied with sitting around in serenity. He put zing in the thing by promising super powerz and being able to do cool stuff like exteriorizing and blowing up planets.
End of itsa
Hey Dave!
How’s it going, mocking up those lawsuits going away? So much for your OT powers.
Mark, Davey-Boy’s OT abilities are Out of Town/out of mind….
When I get to be a Scientologist, I’m gonna live one of the most miserably fucked up lives imaginable! That way, everyone will know I’m one of the most able beings on the planet and a member of the most ethical group on the planet!
Believe or Else, Ah, the beautiful sadness of it all.
Very good one RB
It all becomes clear to me now! 😜
Can you explain to me how this happens? I’m not the sharpest nife…er….knife in the chandelier.
I want one of those!
Knives on chandelier – Picture of Hell’s Kitchen, Minneapolis
https://www.tripadvisor.com/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g43323-d444505-i168253595-Hell_s_Kitchen-Minneapolis_Minnesota.html