Happily, RB has an important family celebration to participate in and so we are bringing back an oldie but goodie.
It never ceases to amaze me as I rummage through old cartoons how timeless they ALL are… But then again, nothing ever really changes in scientology, except perhaps the willingness to exploit “successful actions” to take money-grubbing to a new level of depravity.
Me: “Waiter, oh Waiter….Please bring me a Pina Colada and a Slow Gin Fizz for my friend, thank you!”
Them: “What? Lady…I am NOT a server…I am with COS…..we’re handing out free TWTH books”.
Me: “WTF is COS?…Hold on a minute……Seriously, do you mean that nut case CULT I’ve seen on the AFTERMATH”???? Holy Crap!
Them: “Cult?? Cult??? We are NOT a cult, we are a religion”…..we can help you…for a small donation…”
Me: “Here you go, keep your damned book….you need thjs $10 more than I do…Get OUT while you can”
Here is the completely DEAD Portland “Ideal Org” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18lsMgahOfw
Wynski, I wish those 1st Amendment “auditors” would show up at the right times to see how many people are arriving for classes, and clearly show how many vehicles are in the orgs’ parking lots – and perhaps the condition of their Volunteer Minister vans as well. An important part of “auditing” Scientology should be assessing if they really are something like a church providing a public benefit, or are more of a private social/business club largely closed to the public, serving only a tiny number of members in lavish facilities, and not really engaged in the community.
They’ve shown up at all times of the day and night. NO “Ideal Org” has EVER been found to have more than a few people arriving for services.
THEY ARE DEAD
At the beginning of this thread, Mike posted:
“It never ceases to amaze me as I rummage through old cartoons how timeless they ALL are… But then again, nothing ever really changes in scientology, except perhaps the willingness to exploit “successful actions” to take money-grubbing to a new level of depravity.”
That reminded me of many sites I’ve seen where there is a question at the top of the page which asks:
“What does it mean to be a Scamatologist?”
I finally think that I may have a good answer:
What does it mean? It means you have learned how to roll with the punches – and the beatings – and the humiliations – and the degradation and the terrible loss of life – and the terrible loss of family – and worst of all?
Worst of all it means that when you get near the end of life, you accept the complete loss of what could have been a worthwhile life when you realize that you have spent your entire life in the service of a monstrous con man and madman who is concerned only with enriching himself at your expense.
So …. Congratulations! Would you like to pose for another picture holding one of those meaningless stupid certificates? It will only cost you about $100K. Worth it at half the price. Don’t you think?
Negative actions often have negative consequences.
Damn. No wonder people don’t like me. I thought negative consequences was a new band.
He’s a little girly man. Those two will rip him a new one.
Yeah but he might enjoy it.
The class 5 ORG staff got those silly vests, too!? I thought that was the sea bOrg drones.
I don’t know about the women, but us guys didn’t worry so much about how we LOOKED ‘way back when; we put on some shirt that was moderately white, dark pants, and were dressed, and cool enough for the climate. Those vests seem like sweat boxes. AND TIES!? How silly in So. Florida or the LA area.
Mike’s comment at the top is an observation I have heard many people make. Nothing ever changes in Scientology really. The tech never changes, there’s no new tech (only repackaging of the old, or making you pay again to repeat things you’ve done before). You rarely ever meet any new scientologists. No new discoveries are being made. No (truly) new materials ever come out. There’s no answer for the problems of the modern world, no explanations for how Scientology is at odds with what humanity has learned in the last 50 years.
Religious scriptures can actually be timeless in that they can apply to a person’s life today, Christianity in particular if you read it in context and with the knowledge of what sort of literature its parts are made of. A person can read the Bible and find it perfectly applicable to life today. But a reading of DMSMH does not acquit itself as being of any value today. It’s the ramblings of a crank, that wasn’t even credible in its own time.
Religious scripture can have timeless quality to it, but pseudoscience and fantasy masquerading as science does not.
That’s one reason why Scientology is so dated today. You will always be stuck in the world of what a crank thought qualified as science in the 1950s.
What about The Way To Happiness?? Lol that was a total rip off of real religion so that’s the only reason it might be timeless. Hubbard liked to tell us to not mix practices but often mish mashed all sorts of religious beliefs to formulate Scientology. I was thinking the other day when I figured out what Mark Plummer was saying about the use of Trance Induction in TR-0 that Hubbard didn’t want us to mix practices like Yoga or meditation with Scientology because they will induce the trance state that TR-0 does and people would key out on something other than his religion thus exposing his fraud early on. The stuff I read when I googled Trance Induction even said watching TV can relax a lot if people enough to go in a trance state…no wonder LRH condemned TV as spectatorism. People could achieve the state for free in front of their darn tellies! Couldn’t have that! LMAO
A person can read the Bible and find it perfectly applicable to life today. But a reading of DMSMH does not acquit itself as being of any value today. It’s the ramblings of a crank, that wasn’t even credible in its own time.
All religious scriptures are “credible” in the absence of reason.
The superstitious ramblings of old would be treated with the same contempt today as Hubbard’s galactic confederacies, theta traps and body thetans.
That so many still find this ancient twaddle relevant is almost unfathomable in a post Enlightenment age. Yet far more scorn is seemingly poured over a scientologist’s faith – it’s almost as if scientologists should know better.
And maybe they should…as should those who still live by the ideas of illiterate goat herders who wiped their asses with their own bare hands.
How in the hell did Hubbard compare Scientology to Original Buddhism? This dialogue makes me sick.
When I saw Hubbard’s stupid comments on the Student Briefing of OT VIII. I only saw theory. Here I see the practical application of Scientology and it is revolting.
I think, besides Hubbard’s delusional findings in auditing, that he identified with Buddhism because Buddhism avoids the subject of God.
No big deal for me as consciousness and God are the same thing. Buddhism and isms that acknowledge a Supreme Being have the same goal and essentially the same practices.
I believe Hubbard identified with Buddhism because he had hatred and revulsion to the very idea of God.
Direct perception of spiritual truth without the need of a Creator in a practice attracted Hubbard. It made him look like the cool kid on the block.
Somewhere in some writing Hubbard said that the Supreme Being misses withholds.
No Ron, your withholds where missed by your own conscience: the threshold to the Supreme Being.
This man was truly an Anti-Christ.
Great reply, Brian. It makes sense. Hubbard essentially thought he was God. My take on the issue was that Hubbard was never even close to understanding Buddhism let alone Original Buddhism. The anti-Christ in Buddhism is essentially Mara who is considered evil. But Hubbard was so ignorant. Hubbard even said that he was an ancient Monk named Dharma who existed before the Buddha! Hubbard was all over the place with lies. Hubbard was always trying to show that he was superior to everyone. Crowley wrote a large article on Buddhism and tried meditation which he disliked. Hubbard rejected meditation and that is probably another reason why he failed so badly.
Hi George and Brian – Your conversation here somehow reminded me of something George posted on Marty’s blog a few years ago.
“My mindfulness and wisdom are mature
And my mind well concentrated.
Conjure up whatever forms you wish,
But you will never make me tremble.”
Samyutta Nikaya – 489
The quotation from the Samyutta Nikaya does not contain the words of Buddha Gotama. They are actually from a saint confronting Mara, the evil one, also translated as “death”.
GMW
The way to happiness is the way to hell. The way can be happy but the arrival isn’t happy.
“The way can be happy but the arrival isn’t happy”.
Depends on your state of mind.