I knew a girl who had been in the Sea Org for over 25 years. No one in her family had ever been a Scientologist and they had never had a problem with her being a Scientologist. One day someone decided that because her 80 year old father had once been a social worker who had referred people to mental health professionals, that she needed to disconnect from him and the rest of her large family. She refused and was sent to the RPF. She was on the RPF for months. She wasn’t going to disconnect from her family and she wasn’t going to be allowed off the RPF. A total impasse. She had to route out of the Sea Org with nothing at almost 50 years old.
I hope her parents were still alive for her to connect up with once she got out. And Hurray to her for refusing to buckle and disconnect from her parents!!!!!
That was an incredible and poignant story you just told. Very sad you have lost your wife and children. I’m ex Sea Org and your story just reinforces my determination to fight this cult with every fibre of my being.
I feel the same way as you do and if there is any way I can help you, I would be most happy to try to help you. IMO, all of us SP’s should really stick together and stick it to the fuckers!
Thank you for telling you’re heartbreaking story. It illustrates exactly what they do.
You’ve lost so much, but regained your life and freedom.
I wish you the joy and happiness I have, now that the blinders are off.
Thank you again.
“I used to think that nobody was supposed to talk about stuff that people say during Auditing Sessions but now I think that rule only applies to Scientologists who are In Good Standing”.
That’s scientology for you, putting the CON in confidential.
I have a ten year reunion coming up beginning in Oct 2009 and ending on December 11th around 11:45A, 2009. This is a long version! It’s a recap of sorts.
It was a day in October that Clive ‘the rabid’ Rabey and his entourage embarked upon an ill fated Flog world tour event and headed to California. I’m forgetting names now but he was accompanied by Bill Bachelor and the WUS Flog reg … forgot her name (short brunette gal).
So I was an Ohh Tee Ate and was told I needed to attend the ‘mandatory meeting’ to get the data. So we listened to Clive tell us that many Ohh Teas were investing in gold and how that was not really as good an idea as putting that money to work in the IAS …………….. (or some other losing cult proposition) …….which was not how I saw it at the time ….. for gold or the cherch. It would take another couple months for the church/cult thingy to solidify!
Clive finished and the WUS reg says they would like to interview me. So Bill takes me into one of the data extraction rooms for an ‘ethics spot check’ and proceeds to grill me on all matter of financial questions related to my business and so on and after a couple hours I said I was hungry and wanted to have some dinner. So we took a break ……………. yes we did… ( I was done holding the cans. ) The desired outcome would have been for me to divulge how much money I made and a reason why I wasn’t giving it to the cult so they could remedy their (not mine) problem.
So my then wife and I headed to dinner. We went to the parking lot, got in the car and headed home, a 2 hr drive. She asked me if we had finished. I said I had but they would begin calling in an hour. They did in typical fashion and both our phones were ringing. I turned mine off, she answered and they told her to have me return because I was blowing.
I told her to tell them that I was heading home so prepare for the upcoming weeks work (we got home about 9:00p) and that I was done with whatever they were doing.
The next day at work Bill and (WUS reg) showed up and Bill said “we are here to finish the interview”. I told him the interview was done and that I had work to do so my wife could head to Flog the next month to begin her Oh Tea Six course. That did not go over well …….. but that’s how it rolled.
Fast forward ……………. Wife at flog, early December 2009, getting flogged about donos and was told by Paul Miller that he had talked to me the night before and it was her call on doing her next status. They wanted money. I had told Paul …….no way….. my usual response. ( I am a small being)
+/- 9:45 am, Dec 11, 2009 I get a call from a credit card company about making a payment. I explained that we don’t carry CC balances due to my not wanting to pay high interest rates. “Well sir, you have a six figure balance on this card which has you and your wife’s name on it” !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At this point a huge light bulb went off as a result of the 4×4 coming in contact with my skull!
I called Flog, talked to my wife, she was not able to talk, too upset and crying, a total mess. I sent an email to the MAA at flog. Said what ever was going on was wrong and not ok, etc, etc. Not that anyone cared. I was done. What I thought was a cherch was actually a money laundering cult pitting husbands and wives (and kids) against each other to extract $. If one complained then they got ethics threats to keep them in line/shut them up. Whatever the cherch did/does to get money is for the greater good and your objections are indicative of the fact you are just a little being with even less responsibility. You should be happy we got your wife to deceive you and help with the greater cause of (I won’t say it here but you can fill in the blanks!) Something about saving a planet or total freedom …. you know the drill!
I told my wife that we had to draw a line in the sand. They would not let up and we needed to be a team, partners, trust each other, use communication ( where have I heard that?).
I’m really really glad I drew that line, It was a very expensive line (especially the non money part) with lots of heartache involved …… but I am free of them ….. the cult, cleverly disguised as a cherch.
The cherch came for my wife and kids in 2013, The email I had sent to the MAA was part of my declare, Daughter is still in the SO somewhere …….. haven’t seen her in over 8 years. Son lives in Sacramento and is a public. Haven’t seen him in seven years and My ex who was also declared because she would not disconnect from me while we were in our divorce process …………….. is now doing her steps to rejoin the cherch so she can see her kids. I can only wish them well.
My ex, my daughter and my son are really wonderful people and I will always love them. I have achieved a new state of awareness about just how powerful belief systems are. I would never have believed it myself if I had not seen it with my own eyes, felt it as a being and experienced it as a person.
Anyway, it was 10 years ago! I am soooooooooooooo happy to be able to be me and to love again! I thank everyone here who has helped me by listening to my rants and expletives. I know the cherch will use this blog and info to show the kids how deranged I am should they ever have the thought to leave. Such is life. No one said it was fair. I love my life and I hope for the best for all.
Wow Cooper, that was soooo heavy but I am happy to hear you are happy. I experienced similar things which resulted in losing my son and my family (siblings/nieces/nephews etc)……I am just so thankful that my hubby and I got through it together and were on the same page, and I am also happy that I do not have to go through all the bullshit of pretending or being in a state about donations etc. It is pure extortion and I think there are so many current scientologists who go through this on a daily basis but they cannot cut the cord for whatever reason, mainly family connections. They see what has happened to people like us and cannot do it. There has to be a tipping point though where there are just too many of them who won’t go along & are dissatisfied and then it all has to fall apart and there is an actual protest, but maybe that is just a dream.
Your story is huge Lois and I want to thank you for all you have done and are doing to stand up to the beast. I am amazed how you were able to prevail because the odds for you to escape make my story more like a walk in the park.
I dream the same dream. I say to myself if folks like you, Mike, Leah, Mary and all those who have stood up on the Aftermath and are standing up without the notoriety of TV (although that may be tougher because you put yourself in the cross hairs of the beast) then maybe, just maybe there is a chance that my daughter will one day too.
For me, that is why it is so necessary to live with compassion and understanding. I live in the same house my kids grew up in. If they need a hand, I’m here, they know where to find me.
Last but not least, if I had not been a $cientologist then they would not be where they are either. I recognize my role. I have changed my viewpoint on the subject.
Awwwww Cooper, you, my dear, and us others in the same boat, are truly the ones with the wisdom as long as we relearn the importance of love and compassion. Happy 10th anniversary 😘
Thanks Cece,
I was a very very pissed off and beyond rude individual. It was bad in 2009 and it was off the charts by 2012. I kept trying to get my ex to see that she was being third partied by the very group that says you are not supposed to third party, by the same group that says it is not ok to lie …….. etc, etc.. The irony was I was so bent out of shape that I was doing all of the things needed by the cherch for them to point their bony little finger and say see ……… we told you he was an Ess Pee!
My last gasp was to tell my ex that “they will be coming for you next and they will tell you that you have to divorce me because I am an Ess Pee”.
My ex said that the cherch could not and would not do that to her. I of course rolled my eyes in one of those OMG F*@k Me moments! Those always go over well!
Feb. 2013 …… they called her to LA and my daughter was the one who presented my ex with the declare! She did have Julians help! Those guys must have just loved that and they told her they had a place for her to stay so she didn’t have to go home!
Anyway, I realized that my biggest challenge in life would be to somehow get to a point where I did not and was not in a constant state of wanting to do something socially unacceptable to the group of people who consider themselves the most ethical people on the planet!!!
The best anecdote was to be able to laugh at myself, my actions and my stupidity/willingness to believe, etc. For years I extolled the same virtues that I now despised in the cult. Of course I didn’t think I did but really ……. that’s what you do when you are in that cult ….. to a greater or lesser degree … but it’s there nonetheless.
This is a very happy anniversary! In January I will have been married for two years to a wonderful lady I love. I have a wonderful mom who at 98 is doing fine ( no meds and says she doesn’t need any auditing either!) and she lives with my sister and they are both glad “to have me back” so to speak. I’m glad to be back and feel love and compassion in my life.
Coop, thanks for sharing your amazing story. I”m sorry you went through all that heartache because of the church. But you’re free of them now! And you’re creating a wonderful life of your own with good people around you. That has to count for a lot. But I feel for your ex too. If she somehow gets through the arduous A to E steps, chances are she won’t see her daughter anyway because that is just how the SO rolls. And whether your son will deign to see her remains to be seen too. You kept your integrity. Well Done!
Thanks Cindy,
I agree. My ex has a very tough road ahead. I cannot even imagine doing something like that. I don’t think she has much hope to see our daughter (last I knew she was the Dir I&R in CMO-IXU). That puts her on the fifth floor of the HGB bldg, way too close to Der Leader.
I remember her as my sweet daughter who was taking ballet lessons and loved to draw and design clothes. She was a great artist. The SO turned her into a very hard core cult enforcer. So sad and such a waste.
I think our son will see her ….. when he is allowed to. Depends on how much $ they decide will be enough to allow a visit. My ex wants to be in touch and is hoping for grand kids. If they would be raised in the cult I hope they decide to forego.
I was declared and kicked out before the real hard-sell on donations. In my day, they didn’t think to get donations from staff members. When we had an IAS regging event, it was just for the public. Now, they will get money from anyone. My mother, an SO member, is regged on a regular basis.
I respect that you put your name to your screen name, Cooper. Your story is horrifying. I’m glad that it sounds like you’ve recovered.
Does your Mom have a place to land when the cherch kicks her to the curb? After her years of service, when she is no longer able to pull her weight, due in part to crappy and inadequate food nutrition, the devastating effects of long term sleep deprivation and lack of proper medical and dental care.
Wow Cooper! What a story. They had my credit card numbers but I never got into a situation with them. You went through a lot. Great to have you on board. I remember Paul Miller.
I barely have words…this is so heartbreaking and so disgusting how the CoS ripped your family apart …but I am so happy to read that you have found new love and made a new life for yourself. That is the most important thing. As hard as it can be to accept, the past is the past, we can’t change it – the only thing we can change is the here and now and our future. Glad you are making the most of it. Kudos to you and wishing you well!
Great you are back RB.
With Scientology shrinking the way it is this must become a bigger issue by the month for the last poor saps trapped inside the bubble.
An Allen funt running the show had said, “Smile! Your’e in $cientologgy”. In purpose to keep the bullshit working the bullshit must be delivered with care. It’s the selling of shit as gold.
Scientology is a bloody serious thing depending on every members hardworking.
Rage and fury almost seem like too weak emotions for the endless abuses they are allowed to commit.
Brown-Hair seems like he’s had a cognition! I have to say, he’s potentially the least-brainwashed RB character I’ve seen.
I knew a girl who had been in the Sea Org for over 25 years. No one in her family had ever been a Scientologist and they had never had a problem with her being a Scientologist. One day someone decided that because her 80 year old father had once been a social worker who had referred people to mental health professionals, that she needed to disconnect from him and the rest of her large family. She refused and was sent to the RPF. She was on the RPF for months. She wasn’t going to disconnect from her family and she wasn’t going to be allowed off the RPF. A total impasse. She had to route out of the Sea Org with nothing at almost 50 years old.
I hope her parents were still alive for her to connect up with once she got out. And Hurray to her for refusing to buckle and disconnect from her parents!!!!!
Stories like this makes me understand more of the Epic Expansion of the Coolest religion on Teegeeack:-)
Mr Kessel, Sir,
That was an incredible and poignant story you just told. Very sad you have lost your wife and children. I’m ex Sea Org and your story just reinforces my determination to fight this cult with every fibre of my being.
Hello Neil,
I feel the same way as you do and if there is any way I can help you, I would be most happy to try to help you. IMO, all of us SP’s should really stick together and stick it to the fuckers!
Glad to be be aboard …sir!
Thank you for telling you’re heartbreaking story. It illustrates exactly what they do.
You’ve lost so much, but regained your life and freedom.
I wish you the joy and happiness I have, now that the blinders are off.
Thank you again.
Well done RB, you hit the hostages over the head with some reality.
Not giving enough to the IAS?? Hold the sea borg child hostage. Income will improve, or else.
We have met the SPs and the SPs are us. Well said, Marcanon.
We have met the SPs, and they are us
Love this!
Except for SO staff scamology is deader than a door nail.
Dark haired Sea Org dude sez:
“I used to think that nobody was supposed to talk about stuff that people say during Auditing Sessions but now I think that rule only applies to Scientologists who are In Good Standing”.
That’s scientology for you, putting the CON in confidential.
That sounds like an entirely reasonable explanation for the justification in using PC-folder data against critics.
Sad but true.
I have a ten year reunion coming up beginning in Oct 2009 and ending on December 11th around 11:45A, 2009. This is a long version! It’s a recap of sorts.
It was a day in October that Clive ‘the rabid’ Rabey and his entourage embarked upon an ill fated Flog world tour event and headed to California. I’m forgetting names now but he was accompanied by Bill Bachelor and the WUS Flog reg … forgot her name (short brunette gal).
So I was an Ohh Tee Ate and was told I needed to attend the ‘mandatory meeting’ to get the data. So we listened to Clive tell us that many Ohh Teas were investing in gold and how that was not really as good an idea as putting that money to work in the IAS …………….. (or some other losing cult proposition) …….which was not how I saw it at the time ….. for gold or the cherch. It would take another couple months for the church/cult thingy to solidify!
Clive finished and the WUS reg says they would like to interview me. So Bill takes me into one of the data extraction rooms for an ‘ethics spot check’ and proceeds to grill me on all matter of financial questions related to my business and so on and after a couple hours I said I was hungry and wanted to have some dinner. So we took a break ……………. yes we did… ( I was done holding the cans. ) The desired outcome would have been for me to divulge how much money I made and a reason why I wasn’t giving it to the cult so they could remedy their (not mine) problem.
So my then wife and I headed to dinner. We went to the parking lot, got in the car and headed home, a 2 hr drive. She asked me if we had finished. I said I had but they would begin calling in an hour. They did in typical fashion and both our phones were ringing. I turned mine off, she answered and they told her to have me return because I was blowing.
I told her to tell them that I was heading home so prepare for the upcoming weeks work (we got home about 9:00p) and that I was done with whatever they were doing.
The next day at work Bill and (WUS reg) showed up and Bill said “we are here to finish the interview”. I told him the interview was done and that I had work to do so my wife could head to Flog the next month to begin her Oh Tea Six course. That did not go over well …….. but that’s how it rolled.
Fast forward ……………. Wife at flog, early December 2009, getting flogged about donos and was told by Paul Miller that he had talked to me the night before and it was her call on doing her next status. They wanted money. I had told Paul …….no way….. my usual response. ( I am a small being)
+/- 9:45 am, Dec 11, 2009 I get a call from a credit card company about making a payment. I explained that we don’t carry CC balances due to my not wanting to pay high interest rates. “Well sir, you have a six figure balance on this card which has you and your wife’s name on it” !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At this point a huge light bulb went off as a result of the 4×4 coming in contact with my skull!
!@#$%^&*()_+!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I called Flog, talked to my wife, she was not able to talk, too upset and crying, a total mess. I sent an email to the MAA at flog. Said what ever was going on was wrong and not ok, etc, etc. Not that anyone cared. I was done. What I thought was a cherch was actually a money laundering cult pitting husbands and wives (and kids) against each other to extract $. If one complained then they got ethics threats to keep them in line/shut them up. Whatever the cherch did/does to get money is for the greater good and your objections are indicative of the fact you are just a little being with even less responsibility. You should be happy we got your wife to deceive you and help with the greater cause of (I won’t say it here but you can fill in the blanks!) Something about saving a planet or total freedom …. you know the drill!
I told my wife that we had to draw a line in the sand. They would not let up and we needed to be a team, partners, trust each other, use communication ( where have I heard that?).
I’m really really glad I drew that line, It was a very expensive line (especially the non money part) with lots of heartache involved …… but I am free of them ….. the cult, cleverly disguised as a cherch.
The cherch came for my wife and kids in 2013, The email I had sent to the MAA was part of my declare, Daughter is still in the SO somewhere …….. haven’t seen her in over 8 years. Son lives in Sacramento and is a public. Haven’t seen him in seven years and My ex who was also declared because she would not disconnect from me while we were in our divorce process …………….. is now doing her steps to rejoin the cherch so she can see her kids. I can only wish them well.
My ex, my daughter and my son are really wonderful people and I will always love them. I have achieved a new state of awareness about just how powerful belief systems are. I would never have believed it myself if I had not seen it with my own eyes, felt it as a being and experienced it as a person.
Anyway, it was 10 years ago! I am soooooooooooooo happy to be able to be me and to love again! I thank everyone here who has helped me by listening to my rants and expletives. I know the cherch will use this blog and info to show the kids how deranged I am should they ever have the thought to leave. Such is life. No one said it was fair. I love my life and I hope for the best for all.
Cooper J Kessel
Wow Cooper, that was soooo heavy but I am happy to hear you are happy. I experienced similar things which resulted in losing my son and my family (siblings/nieces/nephews etc)……I am just so thankful that my hubby and I got through it together and were on the same page, and I am also happy that I do not have to go through all the bullshit of pretending or being in a state about donations etc. It is pure extortion and I think there are so many current scientologists who go through this on a daily basis but they cannot cut the cord for whatever reason, mainly family connections. They see what has happened to people like us and cannot do it. There has to be a tipping point though where there are just too many of them who won’t go along & are dissatisfied and then it all has to fall apart and there is an actual protest, but maybe that is just a dream.
Your story is huge Lois and I want to thank you for all you have done and are doing to stand up to the beast. I am amazed how you were able to prevail because the odds for you to escape make my story more like a walk in the park.
I dream the same dream. I say to myself if folks like you, Mike, Leah, Mary and all those who have stood up on the Aftermath and are standing up without the notoriety of TV (although that may be tougher because you put yourself in the cross hairs of the beast) then maybe, just maybe there is a chance that my daughter will one day too.
For me, that is why it is so necessary to live with compassion and understanding. I live in the same house my kids grew up in. If they need a hand, I’m here, they know where to find me.
Last but not least, if I had not been a $cientologist then they would not be where they are either. I recognize my role. I have changed my viewpoint on the subject.
Yo Dave: How about you ……. Good Buddy?
Awwwww Cooper, you, my dear, and us others in the same boat, are truly the ones with the wisdom as long as we relearn the importance of love and compassion. Happy 10th anniversary 😘
Thanks Cece,
I was a very very pissed off and beyond rude individual. It was bad in 2009 and it was off the charts by 2012. I kept trying to get my ex to see that she was being third partied by the very group that says you are not supposed to third party, by the same group that says it is not ok to lie …….. etc, etc.. The irony was I was so bent out of shape that I was doing all of the things needed by the cherch for them to point their bony little finger and say see ……… we told you he was an Ess Pee!
My last gasp was to tell my ex that “they will be coming for you next and they will tell you that you have to divorce me because I am an Ess Pee”.
My ex said that the cherch could not and would not do that to her. I of course rolled my eyes in one of those OMG F*@k Me moments! Those always go over well!
Feb. 2013 …… they called her to LA and my daughter was the one who presented my ex with the declare! She did have Julians help! Those guys must have just loved that and they told her they had a place for her to stay so she didn’t have to go home!
Anyway, I realized that my biggest challenge in life would be to somehow get to a point where I did not and was not in a constant state of wanting to do something socially unacceptable to the group of people who consider themselves the most ethical people on the planet!!!
The best anecdote was to be able to laugh at myself, my actions and my stupidity/willingness to believe, etc. For years I extolled the same virtues that I now despised in the cult. Of course I didn’t think I did but really ……. that’s what you do when you are in that cult ….. to a greater or lesser degree … but it’s there nonetheless.
This is a very happy anniversary! In January I will have been married for two years to a wonderful lady I love. I have a wonderful mom who at 98 is doing fine ( no meds and says she doesn’t need any auditing either!) and she lives with my sister and they are both glad “to have me back” so to speak. I’m glad to be back and feel love and compassion in my life.
Coop, thanks for sharing your amazing story. I”m sorry you went through all that heartache because of the church. But you’re free of them now! And you’re creating a wonderful life of your own with good people around you. That has to count for a lot. But I feel for your ex too. If she somehow gets through the arduous A to E steps, chances are she won’t see her daughter anyway because that is just how the SO rolls. And whether your son will deign to see her remains to be seen too. You kept your integrity. Well Done!
Thanks Cindy,
I agree. My ex has a very tough road ahead. I cannot even imagine doing something like that. I don’t think she has much hope to see our daughter (last I knew she was the Dir I&R in CMO-IXU). That puts her on the fifth floor of the HGB bldg, way too close to Der Leader.
I remember her as my sweet daughter who was taking ballet lessons and loved to draw and design clothes. She was a great artist. The SO turned her into a very hard core cult enforcer. So sad and such a waste.
I think our son will see her ….. when he is allowed to. Depends on how much $ they decide will be enough to allow a visit. My ex wants to be in touch and is hoping for grand kids. If they would be raised in the cult I hope they decide to forego.
I was declared and kicked out before the real hard-sell on donations. In my day, they didn’t think to get donations from staff members. When we had an IAS regging event, it was just for the public. Now, they will get money from anyone. My mother, an SO member, is regged on a regular basis.
I respect that you put your name to your screen name, Cooper. Your story is horrifying. I’m glad that it sounds like you’ve recovered.
Does your Mom have a place to land when the cherch kicks her to the curb? After her years of service, when she is no longer able to pull her weight, due in part to crappy and inadequate food nutrition, the devastating effects of long term sleep deprivation and lack of proper medical and dental care.
Wow Cooper! What a story. They had my credit card numbers but I never got into a situation with them. You went through a lot. Great to have you on board. I remember Paul Miller.
Cooper, congrats on disconnecting from that disgusting cult, though it’s a shame it took such a toll on its way out.
“I had told Paul…….no way…..my usual response. (I am a small being.)”
You really made me laugh out loud with that one, Newcomer.
Sincere admiration for the rainbow you created and live in now after enduring a relentless, battering, pitiless storm. Well done.
I barely have words…this is so heartbreaking and so disgusting how the CoS ripped your family apart …but I am so happy to read that you have found new love and made a new life for yourself. That is the most important thing. As hard as it can be to accept, the past is the past, we can’t change it – the only thing we can change is the here and now and our future. Glad you are making the most of it. Kudos to you and wishing you well!
Great you are back RB.
With Scientology shrinking the way it is this must become a bigger issue by the month for the last poor saps trapped inside the bubble.
An Allen funt running the show had said, “Smile! Your’e in $cientologgy”. In purpose to keep the bullshit working the bullshit must be delivered with care. It’s the selling of shit as gold.
Scientology is a bloody serious thing depending on every members hardworking.