There are parents who are absolutely rotten, and who always would be no matter the outside influence. LRH was one of them. I think some (just some) people join Scientology in order to have an excuse to ditch their kids. It’s a really good thing Miscavige doesn’t have children.
Web site Independent.co.uk has an article of Scientology using famous British people on Scientology’s art/posters. They state when Scientology used Winston Churchill, Churchill’s grandson took them to court. The result ended with Scientology paying a large fine. I simply typed Scientology uses famous people on their posters and articles came up. Scientology has used the Rolling Stones, David Beckam etc. The court advised them to stop but IMO Scientology continues because no one complains
I guess I’m still somewhat naive. Do the Sea Org clams really talk like that? The F word in every sentence? What an angry and unhappy bunch. Also, what is the percentage of heavy smokers in the S.O.? Your best guess, anyone? Not exactly shining examples of “spiritual beings,” are they?
We were swearing f***ers like you couldn’t f***ing believe. The s*** that would come out of our mouths was vile. We were “impinging” on people, and didn’t have time for niceties. It worked sometimes too. I guess in a reg setting, it bullies people into buying to shut off the filth. What a binch of c***s we were!
Yeah, figuring out how to turn back into a real person after life in the Sea Org is just … hard. Realizing that the things you had to do “for the greater good” are now happening to you is painful.
I just recently read that people who are “IN” this scam really believe that they know the best way to do everything.
Although, I suppose I shouldn’t really be surprised because people who are as strongly controlled by mind control as people in this scam are can be made to believe just about anything.
Nonetheless, believing that must truly make it nigh on impossible to turn back into a real person after life in the SO.
Skyler, it’s not impossible to turn back into a real person after life in the SO, you just run into mind shrapnel at the oddest moments.
I was kind of forced to be a real person because when I made the decision to actually break my ties with scientology because I made a really clean break and didn’t let anyone in my new life know I had a scientology past. Anyone. It was almost 30 years later before I admitted that I had ever been in scientology. It was a secret I even kept from my new husband until we had been married almost 5 years.
But, because I didn’t tell anyone I had been in scientology, I was forced to watch and learn how real people acted until I could act like them. My mind was another thing. Because I had been in scientology, I believed that I was better than people I was pretending to be like. That part took a lot longer to break down.
Being OTV and waaaay too tech and admin trained for my own good, I had the arrogance that scientology builds into you that tells you that you know so much more than those ordinary people. To break through the arrogance took admitting I was arrogant, and that was the hardest part.
Then there was the part where you have to admit that you can’t do it all by yourself, that other people can help you. Yeah, not my strong point even now. I raised my children by myself and kept myself pretty isolated (and really damn scared) because I was too afraid to ask for help from people who would have gladly given it to me.
I think the thing that cured me of a lot of scientological thinking was moving to Wyoming. It’s a whole different culture here. The people in the oil patch and the mines work 24-7 (and get paid handsomely for it) but then they get large chunks of paid vacation time too and play as hard as they work.
When it’s 5:00 at work in the office, the day is over. Period. If you’re in the middle of a project, chances are, you will be told to stop working on it and go home. The first time a boss said to me “it will still be here tomorrow” I almost had an anxiety attack. I still stay and finish a project if it will take a few minutes, but I’ve learned that if it’s going to take a few hours, “it will still be here tomorrow”. We were not allowed to think that in SO. As a matter of fact, we were made to feel guilty even if the project we were working on was make work and wouldn’t make a bit of difference in the overall scheme of things.
The thing that broke me of most of my habits was the slap in the face (well actually truck slamming me in the face) realization that LRH was a scam artist and that I had been truly and thoroughly duped. I got that when I read Russell Miller’s “Bare Faced Messiah” followed by John Atack’s “A Piece of Blue Sky”.
After I had read those, my gears in my mind realigned and I started seeing clearly. Then I could turn back into a real person completely (well except for the occasional surprise mind shrapnel I still encounter).
ValR. Thank you so much for posting that info. That really struck me as very profound.
Did you continue to wash windows with newspaper?
Heh. Heh. I just asked that mostly for Mike. Unless I am mistaken he has spoken about how Tubby had people washing windows with newspaper because that was the best way and that is what has stayed with me as quite amazing – that all these people really believe that whatever he said was the right way to do things was then the only way. I find that just unbelievable. It is depriving all these people of their own free will and their own opinions.
To the rest of you who commented, thanks, I’m glad I resonated and @cindy no I don’t know him, I wasn’t originally from Wyoming I came here because I had never been here, it was a good place to remake myself.
Val R, thanks for the detailed account of how you got out and got back to being a “regular” person again. It does take time. And that arrogance is the hardest to go, at least I’ve found it so too. Since you’re living in WY, do you know Bill Denton? Did he make it out?
Your experience is pretty similar to mine. Things got better when I finally told my friends about the Scientology. I did it to open up, help the healing process, and eliminate mysteries for them. As soon as they knew, my life and its oddities, such as my mother refusing to talk to me (she’s still in), made sense to them. It’s been the most important recovery step.
I certainly don’t curse excessively. I think that’s unnecessary. But I do curse a bit when something is really upsetting, or if I’m highly stressed about work or life, etc.
Another thing that compels me to curse sometimes: the utter cruelty of $cientology. Sometimes, as far as I’m concerned, no other words will do. But that’s just me.
In the org, we used to drop f***, s*** and c*** constantly. You do it if you’re arrogant, if your vocabulary is limited, but especially if you thought you were “impinging” on people. That was the biggest excuse.
It’s somewhat that way in rock & roll, too, only it doesn’t generally come from arrogance; it’s just how people get when other people (angry patrons or posers, usually) talk at/about you all the time.
Tom Cruise is too big for Davy Miscavige’s britches. No one can make him disconnect from anyone. Miscavige could have a talk with him and play various arguments on him. But in the end, TC and every member of the CO$ has the ability to say no. Yeah, they might be sent to the RPF or Ethics or be harassed, but everyone has the ability to say NO.
RB, nice way to work the Aftermath Foundation in and the simple fact that life outside the bubble can be good.
RB, thank you, thank you, thank you! Just about a week ago I was asking about “Tom Cruise Guy” and how he was doing in the Wog (translate – real) world. So glad to see he’s okay and with his mom. And nice little plug for the Aftermath Foundation!
In ten years I expect some kind of alienation-based class-action lawsuit on behalf of all disconnection victims.
Yeah! The return of Tom Cruise Guy, healing from the Sea Org but still weirdly obsessed with Tom Cruise! My favorite RB character!
There are parents who are absolutely rotten, and who always would be no matter the outside influence. LRH was one of them. I think some (just some) people join Scientology in order to have an excuse to ditch their kids. It’s a really good thing Miscavige doesn’t have children.
Web site Independent.co.uk has an article of Scientology using famous British people on Scientology’s art/posters. They state when Scientology used Winston Churchill, Churchill’s grandson took them to court. The result ended with Scientology paying a large fine. I simply typed Scientology uses famous people on their posters and articles came up. Scientology has used the Rolling Stones, David Beckam etc. The court advised them to stop but IMO Scientology continues because no one complains
I guess I’m still somewhat naive. Do the Sea Org clams really talk like that? The F word in every sentence? What an angry and unhappy bunch. Also, what is the percentage of heavy smokers in the S.O.? Your best guess, anyone? Not exactly shining examples of “spiritual beings,” are they?
Happy All Saints Day, everyone.
Yes they do drop the F bomb all the time.
We were swearing f***ers like you couldn’t f***ing believe. The s*** that would come out of our mouths was vile. We were “impinging” on people, and didn’t have time for niceties. It worked sometimes too. I guess in a reg setting, it bullies people into buying to shut off the filth. What a binch of c***s we were!
Yes, you SOers certainly did talk like that. Even in front of org public.
Yeah, figuring out how to turn back into a real person after life in the Sea Org is just … hard. Realizing that the things you had to do “for the greater good” are now happening to you is painful.
Glad to see “Tom Cruise Guy” is making progress.
I just recently read that people who are “IN” this scam really believe that they know the best way to do everything.
Although, I suppose I shouldn’t really be surprised because people who are as strongly controlled by mind control as people in this scam are can be made to believe just about anything.
Nonetheless, believing that must truly make it nigh on impossible to turn back into a real person after life in the SO.
Skyler, it’s not impossible to turn back into a real person after life in the SO, you just run into mind shrapnel at the oddest moments.
I was kind of forced to be a real person because when I made the decision to actually break my ties with scientology because I made a really clean break and didn’t let anyone in my new life know I had a scientology past. Anyone. It was almost 30 years later before I admitted that I had ever been in scientology. It was a secret I even kept from my new husband until we had been married almost 5 years.
But, because I didn’t tell anyone I had been in scientology, I was forced to watch and learn how real people acted until I could act like them. My mind was another thing. Because I had been in scientology, I believed that I was better than people I was pretending to be like. That part took a lot longer to break down.
Being OTV and waaaay too tech and admin trained for my own good, I had the arrogance that scientology builds into you that tells you that you know so much more than those ordinary people. To break through the arrogance took admitting I was arrogant, and that was the hardest part.
Then there was the part where you have to admit that you can’t do it all by yourself, that other people can help you. Yeah, not my strong point even now. I raised my children by myself and kept myself pretty isolated (and really damn scared) because I was too afraid to ask for help from people who would have gladly given it to me.
I think the thing that cured me of a lot of scientological thinking was moving to Wyoming. It’s a whole different culture here. The people in the oil patch and the mines work 24-7 (and get paid handsomely for it) but then they get large chunks of paid vacation time too and play as hard as they work.
When it’s 5:00 at work in the office, the day is over. Period. If you’re in the middle of a project, chances are, you will be told to stop working on it and go home. The first time a boss said to me “it will still be here tomorrow” I almost had an anxiety attack. I still stay and finish a project if it will take a few minutes, but I’ve learned that if it’s going to take a few hours, “it will still be here tomorrow”. We were not allowed to think that in SO. As a matter of fact, we were made to feel guilty even if the project we were working on was make work and wouldn’t make a bit of difference in the overall scheme of things.
The thing that broke me of most of my habits was the slap in the face (well actually truck slamming me in the face) realization that LRH was a scam artist and that I had been truly and thoroughly duped. I got that when I read Russell Miller’s “Bare Faced Messiah” followed by John Atack’s “A Piece of Blue Sky”.
After I had read those, my gears in my mind realigned and I started seeing clearly. Then I could turn back into a real person completely (well except for the occasional surprise mind shrapnel I still encounter).
ValR. Thank you so much for posting that info. That really struck me as very profound.
Did you continue to wash windows with newspaper?
Heh. Heh. I just asked that mostly for Mike. Unless I am mistaken he has spoken about how Tubby had people washing windows with newspaper because that was the best way and that is what has stayed with me as quite amazing – that all these people really believe that whatever he said was the right way to do things was then the only way. I find that just unbelievable. It is depriving all these people of their own free will and their own opinions.
@Skyler what’s a newspaper😜
To the rest of you who commented, thanks, I’m glad I resonated and @cindy no I don’t know him, I wasn’t originally from Wyoming I came here because I had never been here, it was a good place to remake myself.
ValR,
Well written. I followed a similar path. Finding you have a ‘self’ that is not geared to scieno thoughts is indeed liberating
Val R, thanks for the detailed account of how you got out and got back to being a “regular” person again. It does take time. And that arrogance is the hardest to go, at least I’ve found it so too. Since you’re living in WY, do you know Bill Denton? Did he make it out?
Your experience is pretty similar to mine. Things got better when I finally told my friends about the Scientology. I did it to open up, help the healing process, and eliminate mysteries for them. As soon as they knew, my life and its oddities, such as my mother refusing to talk to me (she’s still in), made sense to them. It’s been the most important recovery step.
Thank you for your excellent description of what it is like to come back to the real world. What you say about the arrogance is so true.
Thank you for all of this.
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Scientology 2019 the Modern Science of Family Disconnection.
Those who curse excessively do so because of limited vocabulary and other related intellectual resources.
I certainly don’t curse excessively. I think that’s unnecessary. But I do curse a bit when something is really upsetting, or if I’m highly stressed about work or life, etc.
Another thing that compels me to curse sometimes: the utter cruelty of $cientology. Sometimes, as far as I’m concerned, no other words will do. But that’s just me.
In the org, we used to drop f***, s*** and c*** constantly. You do it if you’re arrogant, if your vocabulary is limited, but especially if you thought you were “impinging” on people. That was the biggest excuse.
It’s somewhat that way in rock & roll, too, only it doesn’t generally come from arrogance; it’s just how people get when other people (angry patrons or posers, usually) talk at/about you all the time.
People want to go on and they want to have people to hold on to.
Scientologists dropping their bodies have their implantstations at Venus and Mars.
Tom Cruise is too big for Davy Miscavige’s britches. No one can make him disconnect from anyone. Miscavige could have a talk with him and play various arguments on him. But in the end, TC and every member of the CO$ has the ability to say no. Yeah, they might be sent to the RPF or Ethics or be harassed, but everyone has the ability to say NO.
RB, nice way to work the Aftermath Foundation in and the simple fact that life outside the bubble can be good.
RB, thank you, thank you, thank you! Just about a week ago I was asking about “Tom Cruise Guy” and how he was doing in the Wog (translate – real) world. So glad to see he’s okay and with his mom. And nice little plug for the Aftermath Foundation!
“Being a WOG is way better than being in the Sea Org”.
… Heartbreaking.
Smoking and cussing in mass quantities…. yep, Right on!
And always remember: Smoking doesn’t cause cancer. Not smoking enough causes cancer. Sounds reasonable to me.
I’ve not-smoked in 43 years. I’m up there in years and I don’t want to get the big C. Should I not non-smoke any more?
Apart from some ditchweed back in the ’90’s I’ve never smoked.
@bixntram well, if you are to believe the preachings of LRH (please don’t) you should start smoking immediately (once again, please don’t) 😉
bixntra, you look very healthy from my angle. After 43 years of not smoking, I doubt you’ll get cancer. Enjoy the rest of your life, my friend!