A nice ending to this one, but I expected the last panel to have them say “Anyway, you know I have to write a KR on you for this”, and the other says “Yeah, me too”. Funny but grim, RB style. RB must’ve been in a good mood when making this one.
The RB women are always more intelligent and perceptive than the big men dummies. I find this quite apt.
I feel that these two, rather than dropping each other in it, will pull each other out of the morass of the cult. The husbands may not survive the transition, and if so, the hell with them.
I must tell you that I certainly do agree with your comment, “When Scientologists start talking to each other honestly, it’s the end of Scientology”.
However, it seems to me there have also been several other events that got people to start the ball rolling and that ball will roll and roll until it flattens This Scam. So, there have been several events that have marked the beginning of the end of The Scam.
My most favorite of these events was Mike & Leah’s TV show, “Aftermath”. It was truly a very memorable and very important event because …
In the history of this world, before there were any newspapers or printing presses, important events that struck down terrible slavery-type events were things like … The French Revolution, the Emigration of the slaves out of Egypt and similar events that were extremely painful and difficult to have gotten going. But today, with the advent of The Internet and certain kinds of Social Media, it has become one Hell of a lot easier and faster for people to shake off the bonds of slavery – Thank Goodness.
As technology has evolved, it seems to me that people now have the tools to help them avoid repressive slave-oriented regimes as well as the ability to escape such regimes if people find themselves trapped in such a thing.
I’m pretty good at comparing my current glass with my previous glass. Oh, I don’t have a current glass as I write this, but that is a good idea.
They didn’t have a “holy” one in the car with them as they drove. Someone that would call the conversation natter. I had friends in the cult that I could talk to like that. But very few.
I know in PT a dude that is auditing on VII. He was recently having an affair with another woman and just got divorced from his wife of about fifteen years. I wonder how this was framed by all parties involved. I know how the wife’s family feels about it. They can’t even say bad things about the slime bag OTVII. Oh, and he is an attorney.
Off topic: George White, if you’re reading this, I left a long reply to something you posted on Wed. the 15th (it’s about Buddhist practice if anyone else might be interested). I’m post this today so you won’t miss my comment. All the best, Scott (bixntram)
I just tried to call Robert w Thompson’s phone number, but it is blocked. I think I have a way to invalidate the Sea org 1 billion year contract…it’s so simple.. First , determine the life expectancy of the person that has signed the contract. The only way to fulfill the contract is to legally prove that that person will re-incarnate into the Sea org , but Scientology must legally prove that reincarnation exists in a court of law. So much for foolishness
They realized they were in love, divorced their husbands, married each other and started a company called ‘Wine and Dine’. They moved far away from any Org and became multi-millionaires after denouncing Scientology on their YouTube channel.
Very very good point being made here! After I left the SO I made new friends. Finally after a few years I felt comfortable sharing my earlier experiences with them. I was asked if I had good friends that I missed after I left. I thought about it for a while and my reply was this. “There are many people that I worked with that I missed. During that time it felt like enduring friendships but in truth a true friend is a person who you could share your true feelings with. This was impossible in the SO for the reason brought up in today’s strip! My most pleasurable moments since leaving has been in reconnecting with the people I worked with and finally getting to know them as true friends!
That, Tom, is an amazing comment. I agree. Communications while in scientology were, at best, stilted, as you were required to talk and think a certain way. I honestly don’t remember most of the people I knew while in, save the ones who are out and I have reconnected with.
The other “friendships” were not, as some would believe, friendships forged in fire from common pain, because you always had to watch your back while in there. No one. No one was immune from attack. No one was actually your friend. It was not “survival” to be anyone’s friend.
I tried to watch the show Survivor once and it reminded me so much of Sea Org that I had to quit watching it. Too much scheming, looking out for yourself, forming a new alliance behind the back of the one who believes you to be their friend.
Not good, and not something I want in my life, even as purported entertainment.
I was told in no uncertain terms by the OSA Security Clearance I/C W/US that ” Ex Sea Org Members do not have friends”.
And I did not ask to leave; The Captain told my then wife that I was going to die and apparantly they did not want me dying on the ship. I considered that very insulting.
It is like saying that a solder who died for his country had deserted his post.
L Ron never understood the military, which is why he was a garbage officer that was pushed around from place to place. The SO is like a bad parody of how the military works from the kind of officer who would get fragged in Vietnam.
A leader earns loyalty from his troops. They are bound with loyalty, not fear. No officer worth his hat would treat an enlisted man under his command like you were treated, Bill. The fact that the SO does this kind of dysfunctional sociopathic style of leadership regularly puts the lie to the fancy uniforms.
Captain Naoier of the Freewinds was a good guy in the beginning. I wanted to go above and beyond for him and often did.
Eventually he went over to the dark side with his Master, DM.
Hubbard also served during an all-out war in which it was sometimes necessary to be inordinately inefficient, and sacrifice human lives with relative disregard. Not only is that not how the military normally operates, but afterwards they tried figure out how to never again have to resort to such things even in wartime.
Typically, Hubbard learned the wrong lessons from the first half of the 20th century. The same can be said, for instance, of the things he picked up from early psychology and psychiatry – such as the abreactive regression therapy he saw in the Navy and copied in Dianetics, but which the Navy and others had abandoned by 1950 because it turned out to cause the problems that still plague Dianetics and Scientology to this day, including lack of long-term results despite seeming impressive short-term reactions, and some patients actually getting worse including going psychotic.
So true, Tom! It’s only since I left Flag that I’ve rediscovered how great it is to have real friends as compared to those I thought I had in scn. My friends from before scientology turned out to be just as strong as they’d been before I took off for a decade as one of Tubby’s slaves; NO financial transaction necessary, and NO doubt/liability “condition” garbage required to be one of them again. Just show up and the intervening years are *gone*.
Either that or one of them turning in the other when the first one gets into any kind of trouble.
I once knew a troubled young man who used to advise people, “If you ever commit a crime, always make sure you do it alone. Never do a crime with any other people and never tell anyone about it because it is inevitable that all criminals eventually will get into trouble with the cops and when that happens, they will try everything they can to get out of going to jail and that means one of them will rat you out. It happens all the time.”
I think whatever is true for criminals is also true for the members of The Scam.
Do real Clams actually talk like this to each other? The point about Knowledge Reports is the hammer that keeps ‘loyal’ minions in line. Would real clams actually level with each other like this? When they do, they escape. In the end, ‘Kelly’ is the one who visits Ethics, because she put two on the fencers together.
What this shows is a preference cascade. All it takes is someone to mis-speak and forget to tell the standard lie. Suddenly, people start to realize that everyone has been faking it.
Very interesting – so is a preference cascade, what disrupts pluralistic ignorance, the phenomenon often at work in Scientology, such as when everyone believes that everyone else is experiencing the promised “case gain” that they’re not? (Cunningly reinforced in Scientology, by the prohibitions against disucssing “case” and other things)
‘In social psychology, pluralistic ignorance is a situation in which a majority of group members privately reject a norm, but go along with it because they assume, incorrectly, that most others accept it. This is also described as “no one believes, but everyone thinks that everyone believes”. ‘
zee moo asked:”Do real Clams actually talk like this to each other?”
Short answer”
No.” Tubby realized that if his slaves talked about their experiences, he’d lose control over them, so that’s verboten. True believers enforce that behavior upon themselves.
A nice ending to this one, but I expected the last panel to have them say “Anyway, you know I have to write a KR on you for this”, and the other says “Yeah, me too”. Funny but grim, RB style. RB must’ve been in a good mood when making this one.
That’s why Miscavige will probably start sending vans to retrieve members at home for the monthly fundraise.
No one believes, but everyone believes that everyone ELSE believes.
The RB women are always more intelligent and perceptive than the big men dummies. I find this quite apt.
I feel that these two, rather than dropping each other in it, will pull each other out of the morass of the cult. The husbands may not survive the transition, and if so, the hell with them.
When Scientologists start talking to each other honestly, it’s the end of Scientology
I must tell you that I certainly do agree with your comment, “When Scientologists start talking to each other honestly, it’s the end of Scientology”.
However, it seems to me there have also been several other events that got people to start the ball rolling and that ball will roll and roll until it flattens This Scam. So, there have been several events that have marked the beginning of the end of The Scam.
My most favorite of these events was Mike & Leah’s TV show, “Aftermath”. It was truly a very memorable and very important event because …
In the history of this world, before there were any newspapers or printing presses, important events that struck down terrible slavery-type events were things like … The French Revolution, the Emigration of the slaves out of Egypt and similar events that were extremely painful and difficult to have gotten going. But today, with the advent of The Internet and certain kinds of Social Media, it has become one Hell of a lot easier and faster for people to shake off the bonds of slavery – Thank Goodness.
As technology has evolved, it seems to me that people now have the tools to help them avoid repressive slave-oriented regimes as well as the ability to escape such regimes if people find themselves trapped in such a thing.
Yippee! …… And Goodbye to The Scam!
I’m pretty good at comparing my current glass with my previous glass. Oh, I don’t have a current glass as I write this, but that is a good idea.
They didn’t have a “holy” one in the car with them as they drove. Someone that would call the conversation natter. I had friends in the cult that I could talk to like that. But very few.
I know in PT a dude that is auditing on VII. He was recently having an affair with another woman and just got divorced from his wife of about fifteen years. I wonder how this was framed by all parties involved. I know how the wife’s family feels about it. They can’t even say bad things about the slime bag OTVII. Oh, and he is an attorney.
Oh BOY, I could use a glass of whine right now.
Off topic: George White, if you’re reading this, I left a long reply to something you posted on Wed. the 15th (it’s about Buddhist practice if anyone else might be interested). I’m post this today so you won’t miss my comment. All the best, Scott (bixntram)
I just tried to call Robert w Thompson’s phone number, but it is blocked. I think I have a way to invalidate the Sea org 1 billion year contract…it’s so simple.. First , determine the life expectancy of the person that has signed the contract. The only way to fulfill the contract is to legally prove that that person will re-incarnate into the Sea org , but Scientology must legally prove that reincarnation exists in a court of law. So much for foolishness
Take em down, the easy way to invalidate the Sea Org “contract” is to read it. It’s unenforceable on its face, complete rubbish.
They realized they were in love, divorced their husbands, married each other and started a company called ‘Wine and Dine’. They moved far away from any Org and became multi-millionaires after denouncing Scientology on their YouTube channel.
Gadfly – lol – love this scenario.
I was thinking that. Would be wonderful if so.
Yay! An optimistic one. We need that every once in a while.
Unfortunately, with scientology, there are only two endings to that strip, either they both leave or they both turn on each other. I hope they leave.
Hopefully they still feel the same way the next morning! Hahaha!!
Damn! I wish I had been there! I’m pretty much a wine-o! And I love talking wine. So, what do say, mk?
Very very good point being made here! After I left the SO I made new friends. Finally after a few years I felt comfortable sharing my earlier experiences with them. I was asked if I had good friends that I missed after I left. I thought about it for a while and my reply was this. “There are many people that I worked with that I missed. During that time it felt like enduring friendships but in truth a true friend is a person who you could share your true feelings with. This was impossible in the SO for the reason brought up in today’s strip! My most pleasurable moments since leaving has been in reconnecting with the people I worked with and finally getting to know them as true friends!
Great comment Tom
That, Tom, is an amazing comment. I agree. Communications while in scientology were, at best, stilted, as you were required to talk and think a certain way. I honestly don’t remember most of the people I knew while in, save the ones who are out and I have reconnected with.
The other “friendships” were not, as some would believe, friendships forged in fire from common pain, because you always had to watch your back while in there. No one. No one was immune from attack. No one was actually your friend. It was not “survival” to be anyone’s friend.
I tried to watch the show Survivor once and it reminded me so much of Sea Org that I had to quit watching it. Too much scheming, looking out for yourself, forming a new alliance behind the back of the one who believes you to be their friend.
Not good, and not something I want in my life, even as purported entertainment.
Wow, great observation. I feel the same way. In a lot of ways, I had little in common with the other staff. I was able to leave them behind.
I was told in no uncertain terms by the OSA Security Clearance I/C W/US that ” Ex Sea Org Members do not have friends”.
And I did not ask to leave; The Captain told my then wife that I was going to die and apparantly they did not want me dying on the ship. I considered that very insulting.
It is like saying that a solder who died for his country had deserted his post.
L Ron never understood the military, which is why he was a garbage officer that was pushed around from place to place. The SO is like a bad parody of how the military works from the kind of officer who would get fragged in Vietnam.
A leader earns loyalty from his troops. They are bound with loyalty, not fear. No officer worth his hat would treat an enlisted man under his command like you were treated, Bill. The fact that the SO does this kind of dysfunctional sociopathic style of leadership regularly puts the lie to the fancy uniforms.
Captain Naoier of the Freewinds was a good guy in the beginning. I wanted to go above and beyond for him and often did.
Eventually he went over to the dark side with his Master, DM.
Hubbard also served during an all-out war in which it was sometimes necessary to be inordinately inefficient, and sacrifice human lives with relative disregard. Not only is that not how the military normally operates, but afterwards they tried figure out how to never again have to resort to such things even in wartime.
Typically, Hubbard learned the wrong lessons from the first half of the 20th century. The same can be said, for instance, of the things he picked up from early psychology and psychiatry – such as the abreactive regression therapy he saw in the Navy and copied in Dianetics, but which the Navy and others had abandoned by 1950 because it turned out to cause the problems that still plague Dianetics and Scientology to this day, including lack of long-term results despite seeming impressive short-term reactions, and some patients actually getting worse including going psychotic.
So much truth here – I can relate!
So true, Tom! It’s only since I left Flag that I’ve rediscovered how great it is to have real friends as compared to those I thought I had in scn. My friends from before scientology turned out to be just as strong as they’d been before I took off for a decade as one of Tubby’s slaves; NO financial transaction necessary, and NO doubt/liability “condition” garbage required to be one of them again. Just show up and the intervening years are *gone*.
Looks like someone needs to write up a KR on Kelly!
Graham quipped:”Looks like someone needs to write up a KR on Kelly!”
BOO! That’s just ONE reason why we need to stay far away from that insanity.
ha ha scan the chain of endless fundraing engrams.
And they drove back home, drank wine and watched previous episodes of Aftermath, realizing that Scientology is a bunch of crap.
What’s the crime in talking? To keep bastards rule?
Totalitarian leaders comes and go but the people goes on.
Unfortunately the next panel (if RB had drawn one) would show an “Ethics” officer looking at 2 Knowledge Reports.
Either that or one of them turning in the other when the first one gets into any kind of trouble.
I once knew a troubled young man who used to advise people, “If you ever commit a crime, always make sure you do it alone. Never do a crime with any other people and never tell anyone about it because it is inevitable that all criminals eventually will get into trouble with the cops and when that happens, they will try everything they can to get out of going to jail and that means one of them will rat you out. It happens all the time.”
I think whatever is true for criminals is also true for the members of The Scam.
Do real Clams actually talk like this to each other? The point about Knowledge Reports is the hammer that keeps ‘loyal’ minions in line. Would real clams actually level with each other like this? When they do, they escape. In the end, ‘Kelly’ is the one who visits Ethics, because she put two on the fencers together.
What this shows is a preference cascade. All it takes is someone to mis-speak and forget to tell the standard lie. Suddenly, people start to realize that everyone has been faking it.
Very interesting – so is a preference cascade, what disrupts pluralistic ignorance, the phenomenon often at work in Scientology, such as when everyone believes that everyone else is experiencing the promised “case gain” that they’re not? (Cunningly reinforced in Scientology, by the prohibitions against disucssing “case” and other things)
‘In social psychology, pluralistic ignorance is a situation in which a majority of group members privately reject a norm, but go along with it because they assume, incorrectly, that most others accept it. This is also described as “no one believes, but everyone thinks that everyone believes”. ‘
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluralistic_ignorance
zee moo asked:”Do real Clams actually talk like this to each other?”
Short answer”
No.” Tubby realized that if his slaves talked about their experiences, he’d lose control over them, so that’s verboten. True believers enforce that behavior upon themselves.
Miss Dutch – ha, my thoughts EXACTLY