In the “Regraded Being” cartoon, we see a Sea Org member looking for leverage from Steve’s folder in order to manipulate Steve. This is not an exception. This happens from top to bottom. A stern warning to anyone thinking of participating in this criminal cult. Your “sessions” are NOT private and confidential. ANYTHING YOU SAY IN SESSION, CAN, AND WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU TO MANIPULATE YOU AND TAKE YOUR MONEY! I had a session on a Monday, and on Tuesday, a registrar was trying to push buttons on me on EXACTLY the things that I said in session on Monday. (These were things I had NEVER talked to anyone about before) On Wednesday, I was no longer a Scientologist. These lying scumbags will do ANYTHING to get your money. THAT IS PRIORITY ONE! You must understand that before you bare your soul to these snakes!
“…I had a session on a Monday, and on Tuesday, a registrar was trying to push buttons on me on EXACTLY the things that I said in session on Monday. (These were things I had NEVER talked to anyone about before) On Wednesday, I was no longer a Scientologist…”
Good for you! Blackmail is evil. Lying about confidentiality is wrong. Anyone who doesn’t understand THAT needs to sort themselves out first before trying to ‘help’ others.
Many toxic religious groups have redefined morality and ethics as not being about “how people should treat each other” but instead “what advances our group’s agenda.” Being asked to mistreat others should be a cause for alarm!
Good for you, James! So glad you got out quickly once you saw the truth. That same thing happened to me more than once where they used confidential pc data from the pc file to reg me. I realized it at the time, but then didn’t leave for a year after that. (Kids in the church and all). I am so glad you made it out.
Oh that wasn’t me, i was never in. I was quoting ‘Believe or Else.’ Unfortunately, the comments program for this blog doesn’t have a good way to quote previous posts.
“I don’t need to know your personal disconnection story. We all have one.” So sad but too true. Even Dwarfenführer has his own though they are by his own choice. His circle of “friends” keeps getting smaller and smaller. Does he have ANYone but his “communicator” these days?
Brings up an interesting point. Now that Masterson is formally charged, aren’t those “Priest-Penitent Confidential ” session records, that give all the disgusting events in excruciating detail, admissible as evidence?
If they “can’t find” them they are legally liable for destroying evidence.
As we old-timers know, they never get rid of these old records. They definitely existed. Who knows when they might need to blackmail someone?
Ethics files should also be quite relevant, especially “overt-withhold writeups” (where they get you to write up all your sins in exhaustive “time-place-form-event” format). There are probably metered security check sessions in there too, basically interrogations under the “lie detector”.
Not held in confidence like the session folders, these files get around. They might be seen by dozens of people, be sent to Dave for his titillation, used by registrars to extort more cash, they travel all over the place.
Lots of good evidence, very well documented.
Not just in Masterson’s folders, they got the victims who were Scientologists to make confessions as well. Mostly for the purpose of getting them to lie to themselves, “admit guilt” and cave in. Scientology’s sick way of covering up crimes by shaming the victims. But lots of details in there too, contemporary to the actual events.
The DA’s office will probably have to do an unannounced raid to actually secure these documents. Not likely to happen. But Scientologists are not really smart enough to cover up all of the evidence, even with their industrial-strength shredders running around the clock.
The cult tells they are the fastest growing religion on earth (by the way it is Islam).
They promote about heavy demand of hubbard’s works (nobody ask about it or have an idea of what to do with it).
What REALLY remains is to find a wick prospect to reg looking at his folder and pulling out those things he trusted could be confidentiality said to an auditor or ethics officer.
They say to deal with life. False. Life as a matter of fact is now dealing with them.
Boy that used to irk me. Taking confidential data and gossiping it all over the org under the pretense of KSW one way or another. Some people just laughed like gossipy old biddies, about what they heard, making fun of peoples sex lives, or their secrets of what they do in the bedroom or not. Salacious and satisfying to some. So much for confidential…NOT! But he RB nails it again! Well done RB! 🙂
Rosemary I saw such things happening as well in committee meetings and staff musters.
Most of the times totally unnecessary comments that would just make the person feel bad as well betrayed.
The funny thing is that if the person felt having an “arc break” (obvious consequence after gossiping publicly about him) he could be invited to look for his own overts and w/hs.
A stellar RB necessitating I go to my “never-in’s dictionary of Co$ acronyms” for an “NI Level III” refresher course.
After all, I recently upped my stats as evidenced via a morning visit by 3 armed County Sheriff’s Department minions dispatched by their OSA rulers who took umbrage at one of my blog comments. If I, as the accused, can get a copy of the complaint, which they firmly told me, “we don’t give copies to perptrators,” I’ll frame it and display my “Co$ Perp” certificate proudly!
And as the setting sun of Co$ sinks slowly in the west, we watch it swirling, swirling, swirling…circling the welcoming drain opened by warriors of justice, there to flow back to the sewers from whence it sprang.
“I discovered that my ARC for the Fourth Dynamic increased exponentially to the degree that the images of my family faded from my mind.” –This quote makes my Friday, thanks. Reminder of why I am glad to be O-U-T.
The Locational quote was also very funny because it is so true. Damn glitchy ‘terminals’ needing memory reallocation. It’s because Hubbard never discovered multi-threaded AUs.
O/T. Church of Scientology National Affairs Office joins letter urging Congress to strengthen The George Floyd Justice in Policing Act of 2020 (JPA), H.R. 7120.
Getting those Affinity points with the present-time gov’t orgs.
Only Human rights for others, unless abused Public and Staff are given the mud-slinging label of ‘Apostate’, thus implying a fake authority to church ethics only and non-intervention by external authorities; ergo, leverage to use against politicians and judges and lack of justice through the actual legal system.
O/T. At 12:00, Scientology Freedom Medal Winner Nation of Islam Minister Abdul Malik Sayyid Muhammad (aka Tony Muhammad) renews his call for Black people to be given their own separate state or territory.
The Minister spoke with Nick Cannon for the Cannon’s Class YouTube show. The video was published on 6/18/20.
…”Abdul Malik Sayyid Muhammad…renews his call for Black people to be given their own separate state or territory.”
Well, I’ve got an attic they can hang upside down in.
Don’t get me wrong; I believe in formal reparations to African Americans for the legacy they have inherited.
Their ancestors were forcibly removed from their homeland and brought here in chains. They were human chattel – owned, used for their labor, traded, bought, and sold, denied basic rights under the constitution, etc., for hundreds of years. And then after they were officially freed, more decades of Separate But Equal Jim Crow. This is a horrible, horrible legacy. I think something official should be done. I believe in Affirmative Action. I also believe that a formal acknowledgement by our government of the wrongness and evil of slavery would go a long way toward repairing race relations in this country. I know that’s controversial and that WE didn’t do this, but EVERY white American or white immigrant to this country benefited because of black slavery and the prejudice against blacks. So yes, I believe that reparations, official reparations, are in order, and we should just bite the bullet and DO it.
But a separate state for black Americans? A separate territory, just for “blacks”? Ridiculous! Totally absurd and unworkable. African Americans are AMERICANS. So the NOI would have a portion of Americans set apart? Even if a state or territory COULD be evacuated and set aside for this purpose – an impossibility but let’s just say it would be possible – then how would eligibility be decided? Every descendant of a former slave alive today is mixed race. There are no pure blacks in this country! How DARK would an African American have to be to qualify to be relocated to this separate state? How LIGHT skinned would an African American have to be to be DISqualified? What if they’re racially mixed with Asian or American Indian, etc.? How could such a decision possibly be made?
Ridiculous. Every African American I know rolls their eyes at the mention of the Nation of Islam, as well they should. They are AMERICANS. Americans with a legacy that is the ongoing shame of our government, but still, nevertheless, Americans in every way, their people here for as long as 400 years!
In Scientology everyone is a mark. Hubbard built the foundation of Scientology on lies. Today’s regraded being is so accurate it’s scary. His characters sound like body snatchers not body routers.
Just another typical day in $cieno land where pushing the PCs buttons gets cash in the door. I suspect that all the $cieno ‘hats’ get together and help the Reg find what buttons to push. It is always Thursday 2pm in Clam Land.
Maybe a slightly dumb question: What stops Ms. Super FSM from talking to ‘Steve’ on L Ron Hubbard Way while he polishes the bricks?
And apart from no money and a superior sense of saving the planet, what is stopping Steve from walking down L Ron Hubbard Way onto Sunset Boulevard and never coming back?
All that’s stopping him is himself. His own Prison of Belief. Sea Org members can walk away anytime. If they’re forcibly detained, prevented from leaving in any way via physical force, the cult is engaging in KIDNAPPING. Sea Org members may or may not know this but whether or not they are aware of this law is moot, its still the law. They are free to leave at any time and if they choose to do so there is nothing the cult can legally do to stop them.
He’s probably being guarded. There are multiple stories of Sea Org members who were guarded by others. Also stories of people who tried to leave but were chased by security and other members. People who escaped were hunted down and found. The Sea Org has the “Blow Drill” after all. If you could just walk away why need this drill. Look what Marc Headley had to do to escape…Valerie Haney…even old ‘Brown Jacket’ Rathbun, Miscaviges right hand man, had to escape. None of them could just walk out. There are stories like Debbie Cooks…she and her husband blew the SO and were hunted down and ‘convinced’ to come back and ‘route out’ properly. They were promised that they would not have to stay in SO berthing at the Hacienda, that they could stay with Debbies mother. They were picked up at the airport and driven around like they were going to keep their promise and at the last minute turned into the gates at the Hacienda. Luckily they thought they might be conned so they brought some hidden burner phones. Mike wrote an excellent entry about it here : https://www.mikerindersblog.org/debbie-cook-revisited/
So that is some of the reasons why I don’t believe Sea Org people are trapped ONLY by the prison of belief. That IS a factor but in the SO you are indoctrinated from the first day what will happen if you try to leave and most see it happen to others quite often.
Linear 13, yes of course, you’re right, and I’ve read these accounts and totally believe they are true. What I’m saying, ALL I’m saying, it that forcibly detaining ANYONE who SAYS, “I do not want to be here. I wish to leave. Get out of my way. You cannot LEGALLY prevent me from leaving. I am leaving now; stand aside and let me go!”…anyone who says that and is STILL kept, forcibly, physically, from leaving, IS BEING KIDNAPPED. Now, I’m NOT saying the cult doesn’t DO this; I’m saying that IF and/or WHEN they KEEP someone VIA PHYSICAL FORCE AGAINST THAT PERSON’S EXPRESSSED WILL from vacating an area, THAT is kidnapping, and illegal and as such highly actionable under the law. Doesn’t matter WHO it is, whether its an individual forcibly detaining someone, or WHATEVER group or religious organization FORCIBLY detaining someone from leaving an area, it is illegal and actionable under the law. That Sea Org Members DON’T KNOW WHAT CONSTITUTES KIDNAPPING under our law doesn’t make it ANY LESS illegal. And the cult KNOWS this, but counts on its members NOT knowing this, I would think. Now, does the cult do it ANYWAY? Probably, if they know they can get away with it!
In the “Regraded Being” cartoon, we see a Sea Org member looking for leverage from Steve’s folder in order to manipulate Steve. This is not an exception. This happens from top to bottom. A stern warning to anyone thinking of participating in this criminal cult. Your “sessions” are NOT private and confidential. ANYTHING YOU SAY IN SESSION, CAN, AND WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU TO MANIPULATE YOU AND TAKE YOUR MONEY! I had a session on a Monday, and on Tuesday, a registrar was trying to push buttons on me on EXACTLY the things that I said in session on Monday. (These were things I had NEVER talked to anyone about before) On Wednesday, I was no longer a Scientologist. These lying scumbags will do ANYTHING to get your money. THAT IS PRIORITY ONE! You must understand that before you bare your soul to these snakes!
“…I had a session on a Monday, and on Tuesday, a registrar was trying to push buttons on me on EXACTLY the things that I said in session on Monday. (These were things I had NEVER talked to anyone about before) On Wednesday, I was no longer a Scientologist…”
Good for you! Blackmail is evil. Lying about confidentiality is wrong. Anyone who doesn’t understand THAT needs to sort themselves out first before trying to ‘help’ others.
Many toxic religious groups have redefined morality and ethics as not being about “how people should treat each other” but instead “what advances our group’s agenda.” Being asked to mistreat others should be a cause for alarm!
Good for you, James! So glad you got out quickly once you saw the truth. That same thing happened to me more than once where they used confidential pc data from the pc file to reg me. I realized it at the time, but then didn’t leave for a year after that. (Kids in the church and all). I am so glad you made it out.
Oh that wasn’t me, i was never in. I was quoting ‘Believe or Else.’ Unfortunately, the comments program for this blog doesn’t have a good way to quote previous posts.
“I don’t need to know your personal disconnection story. We all have one.” So sad but too true. Even Dwarfenführer has his own though they are by his own choice. His circle of “friends” keeps getting smaller and smaller. Does he have ANYone but his “communicator” these days?
Brings up an interesting point. Now that Masterson is formally charged, aren’t those “Priest-Penitent Confidential ” session records, that give all the disgusting events in excruciating detail, admissible as evidence?
If they “can’t find” them they are legally liable for destroying evidence.
As we old-timers know, they never get rid of these old records. They definitely existed. Who knows when they might need to blackmail someone?
Ethics files should also be quite relevant, especially “overt-withhold writeups” (where they get you to write up all your sins in exhaustive “time-place-form-event” format). There are probably metered security check sessions in there too, basically interrogations under the “lie detector”.
Not held in confidence like the session folders, these files get around. They might be seen by dozens of people, be sent to Dave for his titillation, used by registrars to extort more cash, they travel all over the place.
Lots of good evidence, very well documented.
Not just in Masterson’s folders, they got the victims who were Scientologists to make confessions as well. Mostly for the purpose of getting them to lie to themselves, “admit guilt” and cave in. Scientology’s sick way of covering up crimes by shaming the victims. But lots of details in there too, contemporary to the actual events.
The DA’s office will probably have to do an unannounced raid to actually secure these documents. Not likely to happen. But Scientologists are not really smart enough to cover up all of the evidence, even with their industrial-strength shredders running around the clock.
In their minds, their “liable” for nothing in the WOG injustice system.
How could LRH attempt to kill Japanese sailors in WW2, then later on proclaim himself as a religious leader. How can anyone honor LRH’s life?
“How could LRH….”
Same way he did anything: Pull a whopper out of his humongous derrierre and INSIST it was the whole unvarnished truth.
The cult tells they are the fastest growing religion on earth (by the way it is Islam).
They promote about heavy demand of hubbard’s works (nobody ask about it or have an idea of what to do with it).
What REALLY remains is to find a wick prospect to reg looking at his folder and pulling out those things he trusted could be confidentiality said to an auditor or ethics officer.
They say to deal with life. False. Life as a matter of fact is now dealing with them.
A registrator told me with tears in his eyes that he wanted to go free.
Some kind of life registrators live in.
Boy that used to irk me. Taking confidential data and gossiping it all over the org under the pretense of KSW one way or another. Some people just laughed like gossipy old biddies, about what they heard, making fun of peoples sex lives, or their secrets of what they do in the bedroom or not. Salacious and satisfying to some. So much for confidential…NOT! But he RB nails it again! Well done RB! 🙂
Rosemary I saw such things happening as well in committee meetings and staff musters.
Most of the times totally unnecessary comments that would just make the person feel bad as well betrayed.
The funny thing is that if the person felt having an “arc break” (obvious consequence after gossiping publicly about him) he could be invited to look for his own overts and w/hs.
A stellar RB necessitating I go to my “never-in’s dictionary of Co$ acronyms” for an “NI Level III” refresher course.
After all, I recently upped my stats as evidenced via a morning visit by 3 armed County Sheriff’s Department minions dispatched by their OSA rulers who took umbrage at one of my blog comments. If I, as the accused, can get a copy of the complaint, which they firmly told me, “we don’t give copies to perptrators,” I’ll frame it and display my “Co$ Perp” certificate proudly!
And as the setting sun of Co$ sinks slowly in the west, we watch it swirling, swirling, swirling…circling the welcoming drain opened by warriors of justice, there to flow back to the sewers from whence it sprang.
“I discovered that my ARC for the Fourth Dynamic increased exponentially to the degree that the images of my family faded from my mind.” –This quote makes my Friday, thanks. Reminder of why I am glad to be O-U-T.
The Locational quote was also very funny because it is so true. Damn glitchy ‘terminals’ needing memory reallocation. It’s because Hubbard never discovered multi-threaded AUs.
“I hate going into a big Regg cycle without good leverage.”
I’ll bet.
“…and he told me that she said something in her Session that might give me good leverage for my Regg cycle.”
That’s scientology and dianetics for you. Putting the CON in CONfidential since 1950.
O/T. Church of Scientology National Affairs Office joins letter urging Congress to strengthen The George Floyd Justice in Policing Act of 2020 (JPA), H.R. 7120.
https://civilrights.org/resource/coalition-letter-on-h-r-7120-george-floyd-justice-in-policing-act/
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Getting those Affinity points with the present-time gov’t orgs.
Only Human rights for others, unless abused Public and Staff are given the mud-slinging label of ‘Apostate’, thus implying a fake authority to church ethics only and non-intervention by external authorities; ergo, leverage to use against politicians and judges and lack of justice through the actual legal system.
The fastest way to Present time, is a tall glass of Calgag! 40 years+ later and that taste is still fresh in my mind!
And that might not have been the worst part. That fucking All-Blend Oil mixed with an overdoes of B-vitamins sure left a bad taste in my mouth.
O/T. At 12:00, Scientology Freedom Medal Winner Nation of Islam Minister Abdul Malik Sayyid Muhammad (aka Tony Muhammad) renews his call for Black people to be given their own separate state or territory.
The Minister spoke with Nick Cannon for the Cannon’s Class YouTube show. The video was published on 6/18/20.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlgwsi40HWw&t=12m0s
…”Abdul Malik Sayyid Muhammad…renews his call for Black people to be given their own separate state or territory.”
Well, I’ve got an attic they can hang upside down in.
Don’t get me wrong; I believe in formal reparations to African Americans for the legacy they have inherited.
Their ancestors were forcibly removed from their homeland and brought here in chains. They were human chattel – owned, used for their labor, traded, bought, and sold, denied basic rights under the constitution, etc., for hundreds of years. And then after they were officially freed, more decades of Separate But Equal Jim Crow. This is a horrible, horrible legacy. I think something official should be done. I believe in Affirmative Action. I also believe that a formal acknowledgement by our government of the wrongness and evil of slavery would go a long way toward repairing race relations in this country. I know that’s controversial and that WE didn’t do this, but EVERY white American or white immigrant to this country benefited because of black slavery and the prejudice against blacks. So yes, I believe that reparations, official reparations, are in order, and we should just bite the bullet and DO it.
But a separate state for black Americans? A separate territory, just for “blacks”? Ridiculous! Totally absurd and unworkable. African Americans are AMERICANS. So the NOI would have a portion of Americans set apart? Even if a state or territory COULD be evacuated and set aside for this purpose – an impossibility but let’s just say it would be possible – then how would eligibility be decided? Every descendant of a former slave alive today is mixed race. There are no pure blacks in this country! How DARK would an African American have to be to qualify to be relocated to this separate state? How LIGHT skinned would an African American have to be to be DISqualified? What if they’re racially mixed with Asian or American Indian, etc.? How could such a decision possibly be made?
Ridiculous. Every African American I know rolls their eyes at the mention of the Nation of Islam, as well they should. They are AMERICANS. Americans with a legacy that is the ongoing shame of our government, but still, nevertheless, Americans in every way, their people here for as long as 400 years!
In Scientology everyone is a mark. Hubbard built the foundation of Scientology on lies. Today’s regraded being is so accurate it’s scary. His characters sound like body snatchers not body routers.
Just another typical day in $cieno land where pushing the PCs buttons gets cash in the door. I suspect that all the $cieno ‘hats’ get together and help the Reg find what buttons to push. It is always Thursday 2pm in Clam Land.
Maybe a slightly dumb question: What stops Ms. Super FSM from talking to ‘Steve’ on L Ron Hubbard Way while he polishes the bricks?
And apart from no money and a superior sense of saving the planet, what is stopping Steve from walking down L Ron Hubbard Way onto Sunset Boulevard and never coming back?
All that’s stopping him is himself. His own Prison of Belief. Sea Org members can walk away anytime. If they’re forcibly detained, prevented from leaving in any way via physical force, the cult is engaging in KIDNAPPING. Sea Org members may or may not know this but whether or not they are aware of this law is moot, its still the law. They are free to leave at any time and if they choose to do so there is nothing the cult can legally do to stop them.
He’s probably being guarded. There are multiple stories of Sea Org members who were guarded by others. Also stories of people who tried to leave but were chased by security and other members. People who escaped were hunted down and found. The Sea Org has the “Blow Drill” after all. If you could just walk away why need this drill. Look what Marc Headley had to do to escape…Valerie Haney…even old ‘Brown Jacket’ Rathbun, Miscaviges right hand man, had to escape. None of them could just walk out. There are stories like Debbie Cooks…she and her husband blew the SO and were hunted down and ‘convinced’ to come back and ‘route out’ properly. They were promised that they would not have to stay in SO berthing at the Hacienda, that they could stay with Debbies mother. They were picked up at the airport and driven around like they were going to keep their promise and at the last minute turned into the gates at the Hacienda. Luckily they thought they might be conned so they brought some hidden burner phones. Mike wrote an excellent entry about it here : https://www.mikerindersblog.org/debbie-cook-revisited/
So that is some of the reasons why I don’t believe Sea Org people are trapped ONLY by the prison of belief. That IS a factor but in the SO you are indoctrinated from the first day what will happen if you try to leave and most see it happen to others quite often.
Prison of belief + social reinforcement + a few patrolling guards on the perimeter = Scientology freedom
Linear 13, yes of course, you’re right, and I’ve read these accounts and totally believe they are true. What I’m saying, ALL I’m saying, it that forcibly detaining ANYONE who SAYS, “I do not want to be here. I wish to leave. Get out of my way. You cannot LEGALLY prevent me from leaving. I am leaving now; stand aside and let me go!”…anyone who says that and is STILL kept, forcibly, physically, from leaving, IS BEING KIDNAPPED. Now, I’m NOT saying the cult doesn’t DO this; I’m saying that IF and/or WHEN they KEEP someone VIA PHYSICAL FORCE AGAINST THAT PERSON’S EXPRESSSED WILL from vacating an area, THAT is kidnapping, and illegal and as such highly actionable under the law. Doesn’t matter WHO it is, whether its an individual forcibly detaining someone, or WHATEVER group or religious organization FORCIBLY detaining someone from leaving an area, it is illegal and actionable under the law. That Sea Org Members DON’T KNOW WHAT CONSTITUTES KIDNAPPING under our law doesn’t make it ANY LESS illegal. And the cult KNOWS this, but counts on its members NOT knowing this, I would think. Now, does the cult do it ANYWAY? Probably, if they know they can get away with it!
Maybe fear?
Stupid reg forgot she can go watch the videos recorded during Christina’s sessions.