Thanks Regraded Being. We are suffering from a Green Christmas here (usually we’ve had snow on the ground for a month and a half by this time of year).
Your Christmas Day strip had me wandering around with a smile on my face all day, as I contemplated the next action as this couple leaves the FreeWinds – reconnecting with their kids.
Not long ago, I reconnected with a very close friend I disconnected from some years back. I felt so bad for disconnecting from her, that I didn’t want to call her even though I wanted to apologize for being such an asshole. I missed her, but I couldn’t call her because I felt unworthy of even talking to her. We weren’t lovers or anything, but we had worked together in the arts and had been very close – we’d been through a lot together over a long time.
A very dear friend, and a mutual friend, who I had known through the ins and outs knew I wanted to reconnect with her and knew the pain and conflict I was feeling. One day, he just took my cell phone and dialed her number, handed it back, and ordered me: “SPEAK.”
I stammered through a voicemail message about having something really important to say and would she please let me buy her dinner. To my surprise, she called me back.
It was like making a new best friend again. Does that make any sense? We talked and talked. It was like making a new best friend again. I can’t describe the joy.
My Christmas wish for 2016 is that we make all of our new best friends again. It’s the greatest joy I can wish for another.
To all those of any faith or no faith who are missing friends and family, I wish it be so. And may it be soon.
That’s a very inspirational story, dear Gus Cox ; one that shows what faith and forgiveness are capable of accomplishing. I am very happy that you are your friend are together again. Happy holidays.
…let’s make our best friends best friends again, every one.
-Thank you Gus. This is how it happens, I do believe. Thanks for the touch.
I need a glass of champagne for every one in the room, let’s make a toast!…
Happy New Year!
August Cox – that was beautiful, honest and real. Thanks for posting that story.
Happy New Year – peace and love to you all! We have traveled this journey together and I am grateful for ALL of you – thank you everyone for being here to help us all heal from the betrayal of Scientology!
…well, in moments like this, for comfort and solace, I turn to that source of supreme intelligence,
the Gita, something to fill the void.
Let’s see, what to find, what form of words..what to cull from this mythological conversation between god and man, this authority of 500 decades ago, what might I understand or know?
Do you believe in Eternity? I do,… (as I choose, and if faith be of reality)
Here is something to dream on…two verses purported to be the voice of the supreme creator, 15 and 16 from Chapter Two:
15. O best among men [Arjuna, the king], the person who is not disturbed by happiness and distress and is steady in both is certainly eligible for liberation.
16. Those who are seers of truth have concluded that, of the nonexistent there is no endurance, and of the eternal there is no cessation. Seers have concluded this by studying the nature of both.
Well, let that be a penny for you pocket, certainly sounds hopeful,
with merry wishes ever more, as it is-mm
To all of you who has “lost” a son/daughter, a brother/sister, a father/mother, a friend ; I ask you to have faith and embrace forgiveness. Forgiveness for your misguided family member who , under the spell of the undue influence of a very insidiously destructive cult, decided that honor and integrity were below “Spiritual Salvation” ; that loyalty should follow a leader instead of our hearts ; that strict dogmas were more important than pluralism, inclusion, and the multiplicity of viewpoints.
Forgive them , for they only look awake, but are really under an hypnotic sleep. An unsuspected trance that has clouded their judgment, and has confused their priorities in life. A cult can change you in ways you never suspect ; it takes away your Free Will, your discernment. It takes away your basic goodness, your ability to embrace all areas of life.
Some of us were strong enough, and refused to compromise with our integrity, with our code of honor. Some of us were strong enough to break free of the insidious trance we had gotten into, and decided that better death before dishonor ; that we rather lose our “eternity” than live a life w/out Free Will and freedom of thought. Unfortunately, many were not that “lucky” , and the worse enemy of humanity got to them, and paralyzed their minds : FEAR
Fear leads to disloyalty, leads to self-denial, leads to robotism, leads to selfishness, leads to failure, leads to lack of faith, leads to darkness.
But humans can learn to become fear-free ; they can learn how to master it ; how to control and direct their thoughts towards higher levels of sanity, survival and happiness.
Do not deceive yourselves, and pretend that all is well w/out your family members close to you. Do not attempt to ease your pain with denial and forgetfulness ; that never really works. Instead, embrace the strongest weapon that life has always had at its disposal : FAITH.
That who loses faith, has already lost the battle.
Have faith that this nightmare will soon end ; that the “mighty” Church will soon be but a footnote on some history book. The CofS will collapse soon ; that’s the laws of life in operation. To the degree that you doubt it, you’ll be enturbulated and overwhelmed. But its demise is as much of a fact as you know you are a sentient/thinking being. The Church had been slowly dying , but lately, the dying rate has grown exponentially.
With its disappearance , hundreds will wake up from their enslaving dream, and will seek out help to put themselves back together, to repair their broken pieces. Many are ready to receive them with open arms ; with tolerance and understanding.
Your friends and family members will be confused then, under heavy pain, remorse and a lot of grief. That would be the time to remember than only in forgiveness can any true and lasting healing occur. Embrace forgiveness and open your hearts to them. And the time will come when you’ll be together again with all wounds already healed, and all of this would have been but a nightmare that you once had.
Marry Christmas to you all. May this new 2016 bring you all FAITH, the Spirit of Play, and wonderful revelations.
Powerful, enduring love to you, Peter.
It is refreshing meeting a speaker with his heart in the right place,
obviously operating under service to a genuinely higher cause.
Some things humans do can be sacred. All those things would be in service to others.
Without a doubt, for your efforts the world is a better place and I do love you. Thanks TC.
Mark
thats where my story gets saucy, as im kinda the lone star here, walking the Earth. But mom brought me up right. Being crazy taught me independence somehow, and being alone can have its advantages. Yourself makes a cheap date, for instance. But you find reasons to be alone, kinda like that addiction to sadness when that particular girl heartlessly says never. When scn, fuck it, that bunch of scum suckers approached me with the The Factors and The Communication Course as the one and only answer to that nagging fear of being lost forever? yep, i was pretty ripe. I joined up pretty excited, which very likely saved me. I’m not saying that i was headed for a crash, but belief system breakdown numero uno was indeed in progress at the time. Her name was Debbie, and i still love only her. I was lacking a reason to not end the pain i loved her so. But it would be flat out wrong to say that scn saved me. After being inside, i still had my doubts (amazingly), thanks again to mom who taught me that there is, indeed, such a thing as crazy where you least expect it. Being on your toes, is all it takes. To stay up all you have to do is question the source. Every one needs to keep at least one question for their own, or, they become a member of the food chain. Mine was this: How can we know when any recollection we may have is nothing more than a fabrication of the mind? How can I have any faith at all, really, in anything described as a “past life”. Can you accept any such recollection of a past life to be, also, a thing of pure imagination?
In other words, fiction.
In 1975, it was just too early to ask the question. I was thrown out. Again, you have to wait for the book, i just passed 7 other middles…
No, Chris Shelton saved me. Not L. Ron Hubbard.
I owe him a Christmas present to beat the band, come to think of it.
Now you guys are me, my family. Mike is like my grand-pa but i believe im acouple years older. You know im skipping at least two middles to the story mine. Two more middle belief-systems that failed which would then PUT ME OUT to prove my survival skills in the wonderful wilderness of modern society. I would have died, somewhere along the line, perhaps off the gutters of the Portland Org, but mom again, says come on, Mark you don’t need anyone to be happy…(that is not true, but it can get you over the gaps, and Mom’s good advise matures more after her passing).
One girl*. Saved the day, way back when.
not knowing how lucky i was
getting my training for broken belief systems in early …
Cults. May god save us all. Thank you so much. Now if you’ll excuse me i have a movie to watch. Love that Scarlett Johannson, another thing i probably shouldn’t be talking about – love Mark
Thanks for sharing your story with us, dear Blue Moon ; and I am glad that you saw the light , and broke free of the cult. It seems that your mom was a great character. I am sure she is very proud wherever she might be. Take care.
Yes, faith…
What is incredible is this guy (on RB cartoon) who has disconnected from his kids. You know disconnection has become pretty normal. A ex very good friend of mine has a kid who is not a scientologists and he is friend with my kids who are not really too much of a scientogist. And the parents of this guys have warned him not to communicate with my kids (friends till childhood) otherwise they would disconnect from their son.
Disconnectio as a tech is now done on the church as cold as going earlier similar on a rud.
Disconnection has become a standard scientology practice actually quite recently, as giving donation as a mean to rise your case level.
They have gone completly insane. Fortunately my wife and kids shared my viewpoint so the family didn’t suffer breach. But we lost all our friends, 30 years very closed friends. Amongst them some disconnected when being pennyless had no chance to go up the bridge, had no family inside. They had nothing to loose by being out of the church. But they just obeyed to the rule.
Even myself I reacted this way at a time. They want to be away from enturbulation. It’s a sort of fear.
I would so much like to see the fall of Miscavige.
Need to have faith? i’m in for it.
Thanks for the comm , dear friend ; and I know what you mean. Disconnection is the most inhuman practice that any “religion” is capable of doing.
Family is the building block , the foundation , of this society. W/out it , everything degenerates into a senseless selfishness and a life lacking purpose. That who destroys a family destroys himself at the end.
But no evil last forever ; I have learned that the very hard way. The worst the overt acts are , the faster and most disastrous is the fall. The fall is always inevitable when one hurts our fellow beings. Doubting this fact , this natural law of life , can start the downfall of an individual ; for he loses FAITH , and his belief that only goodness triumphs at the end. That’s the way this universe seems to has been designed.
Of course , it is not enough to just sit iddle , and expect for the laws of Karma to do their work ; “God helps those who help themselves”. Victory is not a passive endeavor ; it relies on correct strategies, courage, determination, persistence, and most of all ; FAITH. Those elements are well known to the real leaders. What is not generally understood as a key aspect for victory is the capacity for compassion , for forgiveness. W/out it , hate consume us all , and erases the happiness that comes from defeating all odds.
DM will be judged , but not from us, and not from the human courts. He’ll be Judged from his own consciousness ; he’ll be his own judge and executioner.
We must keep doing our work , and concentrate on the positive, and let the negative take care of itself. You’ll get what you firmly put your attention on. Putting our attention on the positive aspects of anything, and adding FAITH to it, sooner than later makes it a reality. Why worry and suffer for something that WILL get handled at the end ? Victory is a certainty for those who believe.
So , just take a deep breath, my friend, enjoy the good things of life, and let life do its thing. DM will fail, and people will recover from this cult. Make no mistake about it, this WILL happen in less than 2 years.
Yes Peter, it will happen. But sometimes I feel it won’t.
Those guy who have disconnected from me, as I said very closed friend mostly not robotic type, they are very firm in their position. Being kind of heroic, like someone who would become suddenly a patriot. Everything totally inverted. They have the feeling that they are ethical, made to do the right thing even if a bit against their will.
Now they are at the level of duty. They are true rightness, They stand tall for once, instead of being deadly indulgent. They realize for once their overt, when they natter about this or that, when they read entheta shit on internet, when they try to find reasons to SP people like me. They often get the cog that in fact I was SP all along and not that I became SP. None become SP if he doesnt have the seed!
So the most normal guy now become a zealot tp protect the church. They feel so happy not to have fall on the dark side.
More than often, their kids are not scientologists, they even make jokes on scientology, a subject of laughing. But they wouldn’t disconnect.They can accept people who make joke on scientology, they are innocent and they don’t really know.
No there is only one real crime in the church and I am guilty of it : to find out about David Miscavige activities, and to speak about it. Then you are disserving to loose all family and friends. You are really a full complete ennemy, and they wait for you that the karma takes you away. You have this shit postulates of the back. Just because you don’t like COB.
Thanks, dear FG ; I fully understand what you mean , I really do. I am quite familiar with the extreme attitudes of Kool-Aid drinker Scientologists ; they are in the reverse vector of it all : Inverted “honor” , inverted “integrity” , inverted “self-determinism , inverted “loyalty” , inverted “free will” , etc, etc. That’s part of the undue influence from the cult. Cult members operate under a series of false assumptions which are never really inspected by them.
I am sure that you are familiar with your class I training data regarding the subject of the “Confusion and the stable datum”. Many KSWs have this datum backwards as they are mostly familiar with “Problems of Work” description of that phenomena where a person under a “confusion” is supposed to adopt a “Stable Datum” to conquer that confusion. In the book’s context , this adoption of such a “stable datum” is a good thing to do. So when many Scientologists met with the subject again while listening to the class I lectures (which are part of the BC lectures around ’62) , they didn’t understand the mechanisms that LRH described there. Not because LRH said it , as I don’t care a rat’s ass about ANYTHING LRH might have said or written about (I don’t even think he was smarter than I) , but he was right about his description of that mechanism : Being under a heavy confusion, and then adopting a “stable” datum to “ease” that confusion, a datum that was frequently false and non-survival.
Like an individual who is dumped by his GF, and then adopts the “stable” datum, the “Safe Solution” that “All women are bad”. He couldn’t stand his confusion (his heavy loss) , and so to “ease” it off, he adopted a “safe” solution , something that would explain it all ; “All women are bad”. He then felt “relieved” of his confusion. People do this in life every time ; they adopt “stable” data to handle their confusions in life , data that is frequently false and non-survival.
Most of us , when we got into Scientology were under heavy confusions in one area or another. The desire for spiritual knowledge (w/out any “ruins”) wasn’t what got most of us in ; it was a very specific situation that we were going through at the time. Something that were hurting us in which we had our attention heavily fixed on (a confusion, something w/out an answer, to definite it correctly). So , Scientology , because it sounded “logical” at the time (many of us had not been exposed to philosophy before) , became our “stable” data, our “Safe Solution”. Many were weak and vulnerable , easily suggestible by charismatic leaders trained at the subject of suggestibility.
What were those “Safe Solutions” , that “stable ” data that many of us adopted ? Here they are :
1. That LRH was a god-like individual right about everything he ever wrote about.
2. That LRH was a true humanitarian like Earth had never seen. No other spiritual leader could possible be compared to LRH in terms of their responsibility level for others and their honesty and goodness towards their fellow beings.
3. That Scientology was man’s only chance for spiritual salvation. All other past and present routes were either suppressive or heavily booby-trapped.
4. That you would lose your “eternity” w/out Scientology.
5. That to criticize Scientology and/or LRH was a crime of the greatest proportions ; a crime against humanity itself.
6. That there is such a thing as “Standard Tech” , and that Scientology was infallible and 100% workable unless “Standard Tech” wasn’t being followed.
The six above assertions are TOTALLY FALSE and TOTALLY UNWORKABLE as “solutions or “stable” data. Those 6 are the main ones that Scientologists adopted, but the most insidiously enslaving ones are 1 , 2 and 4 , “4” (“Losing one’s eternity”) being the one that actually prevents disconnection from the cult for the ones still believing in #3 and #4.
With those 6 fixed ideas , insidiously influencing our Free Will and Freedom of Thought , there is very little that one can do to change anything. Examining by ourselves each one of the 6 fixed ideas , with the help of someone trained in cultic studies (and preferably an ex cult member) , and exactly isolating the damage that they have brought about in our lives , is what is called “DEPROGRAMMING”. W/out correct and professional deprogramming , one is only shooting in the dark, and shouting at the chasm , to paraphrase dear Mike.
Many have already walked down that road of deprogramming by using various methods such as reading and participating in blogs/websites like this one and others as well. By reading excellent books such as “A Piece of the Blue Sky” by John Atack and others , and by being exposed to the Media (documentaries, special new’s reports, interviews, etc).
The exposure has increased markedly in the last decade, specially the last 2 years. We now have, coming up soon , Ron’s Miscavige book , Louis Theroux’s , “My Scientology Movie” , The Rathbun’s case , and other books that I am sure are in the making right now. Thanks to all those freedom fighters that are just too many to mention in a small post , the Media is no longer fearful of the Church’s “Attack the critics and dissenters” tactics. HBO set a very important precedent. Many will follow them ; many are ALREADY following them.
Due to all this exposure , the CofS is losing a lot more members than they are acquiring new ones. Now just do the math yourself, dear FG. Let’s use some logic here, would you ? The Orgs are each day more empty. The international stats are crashed. The active members’ stat (I am referring to the old-timers now) has plummeted . Do you know the ONLY reason this could happen in the first place ? Because others have been waking up, and freeing themselves from the undue influence of this cult.
We ARE WINNING ; make no mistake about it. We are winning every day more and more, and DM’s circle is getting smaller and smaller. I don’t know why can’t you see that. I honestly don’t know. Just stop being all worry about it , and put your attention on the wins themselves, on the positive aspects of it all. I can’t teach you , or teach anybody else for that matter, FAITH. That’s something that you have to figure out by yourself . I have provided you with the materials to teach you how to develop it. It is totally up to you to use them or not, to fully test them. I really hope you do as I hate to see you enturbulated. DM is not worth it.
Enjoy the holidays, my friend ; wonderful times are about to come.
Yes, Peter, from my view you are mostly right, and it’s certainly true that Miscavige will loose and truth will come out. But sometimes in the past it tooks long before truth came out, and maybe there was time it didn’t. You feel sometimes duration will exaust you, and you’ll never see the light. But you are right about faith. It cost nothing why not use it and being positive.
As you know I still value Hubbard’s philosophy and tech.
You quote the level 1 tech about prior confusion. But it’s not the adoption of a stable datum which is the important point but the deconstruction of it.
What happened prior the construction of the fixed idea which stopped the confusion?
You could free someone from scientology in using the tech of prior confusion.
I used to prepcheck on PC prior confusion of deciding to start scientology on life repairs. Some felt really free. You see, when you audit you have to go toward individual freedom for your PC. You said you have been auditing a lot. Whatever our opinion of Hubbard and the church, it’s very sure that it would be silly to loose te skill of auditing as it’s a good psychotherapy.
Ultimate salvation? Of course not!
“Eternity”? I bet Hubbard never wrote this word. It appears in “from clear to eternity”. For me, not written by Hubbard, promoting “actual OT levels” which are not existing.
But we’ve been speaking about Kool Aid Drinker. Those friends who diconnected from me were almost returned to “wogs”. Couldn’t audit, not cultish at all means almost never go to event, going almost never on course, not applying any tech, middle class. Scientologist by habit. But still they disconnect on a “why not” basis. To be away from trouble, “not to be PTS”. They don’t even hope anything from the tech. People who knows the tech are out of the church not in. So I would conclude tech is freeing more than it enslaves.
Ciao Peter and you are right, wonderful time are about to come and everything will certainly come out allright and I thank for you good wishes and wish the same for you.
FG : “Yes, Peter, from my view you are mostly right, and it’s certainly true that Miscavige will lose and truth will come out. But sometimes in the past it took long before truth came out, and maybe there was time it didn’t. You feel sometimes duration will exaust you, and you’ll never see the light. But you are right about faith. It cost nothing why not use it and being positive.”
Peter : Yeah, I know what you mean ; I agree, it has happened in the past. This time , however , I don’t think that this is the case. Just by doing a stat analysis, the truth is easily revealed to you. Stats not only about the Church’s services and active membership , but about marketing-type of stats that measures how much an organization is effectively reaching out to others , and how much is the public (through website analysis) reaching out to it. That analysis points out to a very fast internal shrinkage , and a markedly decreased reach in terms of people looking at their websites. Correctly measured stats never lie, and always tell the real tale. There is no way in hell that the CofS can survive beyond 2018 ; it is just financially impossible. It WILL implode.
FG : “As you know I still value Hubbard’s philosophy and tech.”
Peter : I know you do , and I am ok with that. I have absolutely no problem with others following whatever system that they deem workable for them as long as self-determinism, free will, and power of choice over data is applied to the body of work in question. I know that you possesses such traits. Most KSW supporters, however, don’t ; not even the highly trained ones. I know most of them. The majority of them idolize LRH, and can’t see his destructive traits and acts. That for me is a very destructive cultish attitude all by itself that makes one violate , either purposely or unwittingly , many Human Rights. I just WON’T have that. As long as I live, I will attack and heavily criticize anything and anyone that is inclined to violate fundamental civil and Human Rights.
FG : “You quote the level 1 tech about prior confusion. But it’s not th e adoption of a stable datum which is the important point but the deconstruction of it.”
Peter I know ; I was only pointing out to the mechanics of it all. By “Deprogramming” , I meant such a deconstruction.
FG : “What happened prior the construction of the fixed idea which stopped the confusion? You could free someone from scientology in using the tech of prior confusion. I used to prepcheck on PC prior confusion of deciding to start scientology on life repairs. Some felt really free. ”
Peter : Yes, Prepcheck is one of the most usable and workable tools that Scn possesses. An excellent repair tool indeed. I use it a little different though. You know that I am the King of the squirrels. :-)))
I don’t go with the “If it doesn’t read, then don’t run it” absolute LRH datum. He claims that only reading items are charged because they are the ones that the PC is aware of, or can potentially become aware of. But any process , even if not “reading” , can all by itself , BRING that awareness about, thus increasing the responsibility level in the area being addressed. I’ve done that many times with excellent results every time. Also you don’t necessarily need to stop working on a flow just because it F/Ned. For that particular session, yes ; “Let the PC have his win”. But you can run it again with even better results and more TA action. Processes frequently works in layers, each time you run it, going to a deeper layer.
Overrun is just an idea , and not an actuality. It is the IDEA, not the actuality, that “Something has gone too long or has happened too frequently”. Scientologists were indoctrinated into believing the “incredible harmfulness of the Overrun” , and thus react to it very quickly and easily. It was a created, a suggested, state of mind about it all. There was no “Internationally crashed stats due to going past an F/N” as LRH attempted us to believe. That was just a big, huge wrong Why, as many others that LRH came up with due to incompetent research.
In the ’51-’57 era processes were run as long as it produced change, which frequently means several F/Ns per process , even if not all in the same session. That’s how I ran it myself when I audited thousands of unmetered “Old and no longer used” Scn processes , with PCs F/Ning at the examiner, and then I continuing the process according to how the PC had run on it for that session. I cracked almost every case I audited under 12 hours with incredible increases in the OCA graph. Real and lasting gains ; no BIs at all. Then a fool IXner came and changed everything , and my results were never the same. I then quit.
Now, tell all that to strict KSW followers , and watch their reactions. They feel uncomfortable just by listening to it. The idea of deviating from 100% LRH scares the hell of of them. They are robots to authority with no power of choice over data. I refuse to be a slave of authority and strict dogmas. The greatest possible freedom there is is owning your own mind.
FG : “You see, when you audit you have to go toward individual freedom for your P C. You said you have been auditing a lot. Whatever our opinion of Hubbard and the church, it’s very sure that it would be silly to loose te skill of auditing as it’s a good psychotherapy. ”
Peter : I fully agree with that point ; losing the skill is not a good option. As I have told you before , I use many of Scn in my daily life , including in Solo(ing) myself with much better results than any Solo auditor I know. And w/out needing to resort to “Other self-determinisms” such as “BTs” , but only asserting my own cause and authorship about things. I just hate being a victim, you know. The auditing comm cycle and the discipline of a session (basics of auditing) is a good foundation for any workable psychotherapy.
FG : “Ultimate salvation? Of course not! “Eternity”? I bet Hubbard never wrote this word. It appears in “ from clear to eternity”. For me, not written by Hubbard, promoting “actual OT levels” which are not existing.”
Peter : LRH DOES talk about “Salvation” and “Eternity” , the latter even if not using that exact word. But reading KSW #1 suffices to see the equality of it all ; he DID thought that w/out Scn , we would be lost into “Oblivion and eternal darkness”. As to “From Clear to Eternity” not being LRH’s , I beg to differ ; the logic is unsustainable. For you to assert “not LRH’s” , you would have to do the same with the FPRD and HRD Series , and ANYTHING from 1980 on. Are you ready to do that ? They all are from the same time period. Chris Black thinks as you do, but then he frequently uses the FPRD in his practice, and think of it as an incredible LRH tool. Those two thoughts are contradictory.
FG : “But we’ve been speaking about Kool Aid Drinker. Those friends who diconnected from me were almost returned to “wogs”. Co uldn’t audit, not cultish at all means almost never go to event, going almost never on course, not applying any tech, middle class. Scientologist by habit. But still they disconnect on a “why not” basis. To be away from trouble, “not to be PTS”. They don’t even hope anything from the tech. ”
Peter : Ok then ; I got that. But , were they really your friends ? It doesn’t sound like it. I am EXTREMELY selective with whom I call my friend. That’s why I am a grumpy , lonely , almost-old man (I am actually 47). I rather be alone than surrounded by disloyal “friends”. I am old-school ; I give my life for those I love. My life ? That , I can get a new back ; but I won’t sacrifice theirs ever.
FG : “People who knows the tech are out of the church not in. So I would conclude tech is freeing more than it enslaves.”
Peter : Fully agree with the 1rst sentence , but not with the 2nd one. If people are getting “happier” inside a bubble – as most Scientologists are in- I wouldn’t call it “working” , but an illusion. I wouldn’t call it “freedom” , but a “comfortable delusion”. If Tech is applied 100% w/out any deviations or modifications at all , then I am afraid that it can only enslave in the long run. I talk form a very, very, very hard won experience of decades and thousand of hours of application. I am no “Arm-Chair philosopher”.
FG : “Ciao Peter and you are right, wonderful time are about to come and everything will certainly come out allright and I thank for you good wishes and wish the same for you.”
Peter : You are most welcome, my dear friend. Thanks for your best wishes, and I am happy to hear of your positiveness and rekindled faith. Talk to you soon again.
ML,
Peter
FGsays
Thank you Peter. Regarding the non reading question there is 2 opposits HCOB, one say you should check Q the other that you shouldn’t. I think the truth is optionnal. You see the indicator of the PC and if meter is alive on the subject. I don’t think it’s a good idea to audit a non interest, non reading anything. You go into a wall of mass. We still have to really understand this in piloting it. There must be a basic truth underlying it, but not a robotic read/no read.
Regarding later than 1980, it’s true that from 1982 I didn’t like what LRH wrote. Before almost never. For me the last true LRH bulletin is from 1980 Nature of a being.
FPRD is weird. It had nothing to do with the research line which was Not’s. FPRD was there to audit “false purpose”. What is that? It doesnt align with the tech on purpose. If not Hubbard who developped it? Only Mayo could have. Mithoff was not smart enough. Or what?
It was Hubbard. I was a pilot case for FPRD because I had “unhandled Evil Purposes” because the SO Int Pd Comps were false reported and I was holding WDC SO.
Theta Clearsays
FG : “Thank you Peter.”
Peter : You are most welcome.
FG : “Regarding the non reading question there is 2 opposits HCOB, one say you should check Q the other that y ou shouldn’t.”
Peter : The closer to PT ones only says you check for read before running any flow of anything. The exception to this are the Power Processes , where you don’t need a read to run them, you just do it ignoring reads and F/Ns. But everything else (processes as such) is based on reads according to “Standard Tech”. There are no other exceptions to this per LRH, not that it is true at all.
FG : “I think the truth is optionnal. You see the indicat or of the PC and if meter is alive on the subject. I don’t think it’ s a good idea to audit a non interest, non reading anything. Yo u go into a wall of mass. We still have to really understand this in piloting it. There must be a basic truth underlying it, but not a robotic read/no read.”
Peter : Yes, I agree ; there must be a basic truth behind it. But my point was that many things than doesn’t read produce TA action , and thus brings about wins and gains. In the ’51-’57 era it was enough to run a process as long as it produced change. If it didn’t produce any change, then one would just drop it, plain and simple. Checking interest is not necessarily workable, as desinterest might just be an indicator on non-confront on the area , which would mean that the PC would benefit from running it as his KRC level on the area being addressed will increase by his continual inspection of such a subject through repetitive commands. It is all a matter of correct evaluation of the case on the different scales. That’s why I have mentioned before that not everybody can become an auditor and C/S.
FG: “Regarding later than 1980, it’s true that from 1982 I didn’t like what LRH wrote. Before almost never. For me the last true LRH bulletin is from 1980 Nature of a being. FPRD is weird. It had nothing to do with the research line which was Not’s. FPRD was there to audit “false purpose”. What is t hat? It doesnt align with the tech on purpose. If not Hubbard who developped it? Only Mayo could have. Mithoff was not sm art enough. Or what?”
Peter : I got it. For me Mayo was smarter than LRH in many regards. Ray ? He is just a robot.
Mike just asserted that the FPRD is indeed LRH’s , and I have no reason to doubt his word. Besides , there is nothing “non-LRH” about it. “False Purposes” refers to the “evil” or “unwanted” intentions that prompts one to commit overts in a certain area. It perfectly aligns with the Expanded DNs data on psychosis , and how an evil intention is the root of it. It also aligns with the Ls , specially L-10 , even though that L-10’s approach to it is quite different as it uses L&N Qs to locate the evil purps. But the Ls and Exp DNs were all developed during the same research period at the apollo ; a research into insanity/psychosis. That research was allegedly “lost” , and the methods of handling evil purps were “forgotten”. LRH then “resurrected” it all , allegedly.
But the FPRD is based on basic DNs data , and it seems as a logical adaptation of DNs to the subject of evil purps. O/Ws prompted by an evil purp underlying them ; a prior confusion before that evil purp (the evil purp is the “stable datum” adopted to handle the confusion) ; and the first moment of the first confusion to “blow” that evil purp. I don’t see how that doesn’t align with LRH’s views ; it PERFECTLY match. Besides , it even sounds sensible to me.
I can’t honestly brush off all the testimonials of the great changes in fixed non-survival behaviors that this RD have brought about in others. To be honest , I never got it , but many friends did , and the changes were very evident. Using it for “Justice” purposes, however, degenerates into dramatizations of evil purposes from the ones administering it. The FPRD should only be relegated to a minister tool in priest-penitent willing confessions , w/out the use of the standard FPRD forms as to me, many of those Qs are an imposition of a moral code. It just doesn’t work that way. The list of possible O/Ws should come directly from the PC, as only that list would match his reality level that translates into real changes in viewpoint.
I prefer L-10 style of handling evil purps where an evil purp is located through a L&N question, then another L&N done to locate who/what would have such an intention, then running O/Ws on the terminal thus found. It has worked fine for me. Solo(ing) the FPRD is a bitch ; I totally bog on it. May be I have unhandled “druggie BTs” . :-)))
There is just too many HCOBs from the ’80-’84 period to dismiss them as non-LRH. We have things like a few key C/S series like “Mixing RDs and Repairs” , R&W HCOB, Rehab Tech , The Scn DRD , The New Grade Chart switch , more data on PTSness , “Full Assists Checklist” , etc, etc, etc. Thinking that some are LRH’s and some not, and from the same time period , is just too out-pointy. That “Conspiracy Theory” is not supported by verifiable data , but on the contrary, everything points out that all is, in fact, LRH’s. One might not like the changes , but that is an entirely different issue , isn’t it ?
Take care, my friend.
ML,
Peter
McCarransays
Thank you, Peter, for taking the time to write. The holidays are a horrible time of loss for me. Your words speak truth and inspire me to keep the faith.
McCarren, please do keep the faith. I just know you will be reunited in the future, I believe it in my heart… please hold on to hope and send love to your kids… I believe they will feel it and I believe they love you too, although not allowed to say it, it’s not their fault they are imprisoned in a corrupt belief system. Your family back together – we all here want that for you.
Love, T.J.
Your words inspire me McCarren.
Nothing seems too bad so as to cause my chest to cave in or make my heart stop beating
you know, because
one thing i know is you can take a mountain of pain and put it a girls beautiful beautiful heart
cold as the stupid world can be
and that girl can turn around and face me
and be just so warm
to me a guy a stranger a fairly lucky guy who just gets down now and again
but that warmth does make it right for me
and part of it is how simple it is, like a smile
and im ok, all those complications just melt down into the manageable.
Love and gratitude, thanks McCarren, you make it easy for me.
ps i don’t have a post script i just wasn’t quite ready to go yet.
You are most welcome, dear McCarran ; I am happy that it helped you. Please, hold on to that FAITH, and never, ever let go of it. This nightmare will be over soon ; I am very positive it will. My blessings to you and your family. I’ll have you all in my prayers.
Peter thank you for the inspiring post. Yes, it is the faith I’ve always had that has gotten me mostly through this tunnel out of the darkness of someones elses that I was sharing. I’ve left behind the husband of my dreams and two children and the 40 years of friends but I will hold the same stance they do. If I stay rock solid on my decisions perhaps they will join me or maybe not for a while. They all believe I have given up my eternity and they depart to keep the eternity there for ME. But I know my world is real and theirs is full of holes. I pray that someday all the persons that have been conned into believing in that false eternity will at some point or another all see and feel what is happening. Actually all I pray for is that they do not lose their faith and make it through without too much damage with time left over to enjoy this rather beautiful and wonderful world we have 🙂
You are most welcome, dear Cece ; I am sorry for your loss. Keep that positive attitude and your faith, and I am sure everything would work out all right sooner than later. I’ll pray for the welfare of your family. Much success to you.
Hey Mike and family…readers ans commenters…Happy Holidays…I do not comment much but wanted to say I read this blog regularly along with Underground Bunker..always happy to hear about another mishap for church of crapology…and wanted to also wish bad luck to “let him die ” Miscavige and Scientology in general…let this awful abusive evil cult die this year.
I’m here in a similar boat, Ms Falconer. Although I’m usually reluctant to wish ill will, Pompous Maximus (thx for the new name, Mike!) deserves what’s coming and then some.
Peace, Love, and Happiness to all the brothers and sisters out there fighting the Good Fight. Together we can Clear the planet of Scientology ;P and get the friends and families back home/together/etc in 2016!
Fabulous RB.. and to the great Rinder community..May 2016 continue to see the decline of Scientology. The truth is getting out. Thank God..It has been a hell of a year.. I lurk daily and see what a tight bunch of SPs you all are.
Perfect post and comments. Thanks guys for making this year brighter and helping me see around the corners. I do hope that with all our wishes and exposures David Miscavige is taking it a bit easier on our former fellow team members. This can’t possibly go on much longer…..
Wishing a happy mid-winter holiday to you Mike and your family and extended family that posts here. Best wishes for 1916 – I hope your disconnected family finally sees the light next year.
In the northern hemisphere the days are staring to lengthen again and long before Chistmas was thought it was up celebrated by our predecessors. I wish a happy turning on of the light to all Scientologiststo get out of this destructive cult. Each year I hope that LRon’s phoney church gets found out for what it is and that is starting to happen. And in the new Chinese Year of the monkey may Mike and all who read here remain a heavy monkey on the great misleader’s back.
What happened to the world we knew
when we were dreaming/scheming while the time away
yesterme yesteryou yesterday
Where did it go
(where did it go?)
that yester glow
when we could feel the wheel of life turning our way?
i had dream so did you
life was warm
and love was true to kids that followed every groove and all the rules
Now it seems these yester dreams were just a cruel n foolish game we used to play
me, you, yesterday.
[thank god for Stevie Wonder helping me through that one. MERRY DAY -mm]
Thank you to all the ex’s who had the good sense, and heart, to get out and to care enough to speak out. Mike, and RB, keep on trucking – thanks you and may you have a happy and bountiful 2016.
DM, Let Him Die Miscavige, may you get exactly what you deserve in the coming year.
RB, it pretty much gives the reason why I started getting out. I just became fed up. The service was shocking – when there WAS someone to service me. Usually there wasn’t an auditor which I found out only after I’d bought the auditing. When I finally was set up for the auditing, I was constantly having to find out what time my session was because no one ever let me know!
My life wasn’t better because of $cn, it was worse. (It got better after I left! And I got happy after I left. I was never happy while I was doing $cn. It took me a while to realise this and it was only after I’d left and found I was continually happy that I got to think about it!).
The events were getting me down. The staff and I didn’t gel (and I didn’t buy it that I had overts on them), some of the public were distinctly hostile and unfriendly for no rhyme or reason that I could work out. After some seminar or other, I left and asked myself what I was doing there in the first place. I’d started my day being happy but after the seminar that had changed and I had the mutters.
It was a natural conclusion for me not to go back, like the last straw on the camel’s back. Greatest piece of straw there ever was.
I’m a never-in who has several best friends whose lives were ruined by Scientology — after giving everything they had for 30+ years, they’re out, broke, unemployable, and being harassed by the assholes they thought would lift them to freedom. Just want to say, Mike, that I think what you’re doing here is irreplaceable and that Regraded Being is essential reading. How I wish he’d do a book. Or take the concept to the guys who do “South Park” for a special show. And, oh, yeah, death by malignant hemorrhoids to that overweening little shit David Miscarriage.
Timothy there is an HCOB (and Policy Letter) titled “Misrepresentation of Dianetics and Scientology” which was obviously written by Hubbard with foresight for the Church that Miscavige has created.
” Timothy there is an HCOB (and Policy Letter) titled “Misrepresentation of Dianetics and Scientology” which was obviously written by Hubbard with foresight for the Church that Miscavige has created.”
No, dear Foolpoof ; he created it to protect his absurd monopoly , and create riches. Only a fool wouldn’t be able to see that.
hey you’re ok, pretty baby bunker man
you da man
me and the dude know each other
thanks for taking part, thanks for being.
When truth breaks through,
when secrets are revealed
the bubble breaks
and the world becomes a better place.
All days free are a holy gift,
and thanks to you for bringing along some added light.
I got some boxing gloves for x-more.
Watch out Surfer Dude. Your bottom is on target. This is gonna be fun.
Woe-wo-woman?
the bubble breaks again
if only i had learned social skills in there
nice, i luv curtsies
things just keep getting better and i need to keep up
how do feel about, you know, sissy-es?-polo 🙂
mark marcosays
baby bunker,
That “yay” is actually another jewel for me.
Merry me I am.
Truth is my first response to you was a play-fighting…thing, some playfully graphic word-play on ‘enterbulated’ and ‘behinds’. I crossed the line of the moderator’s taste. So, then I thought, oh, right, I don’t know baby bunker at all. I like him because he knows the right way to treat a dictator, maybe I could say the right thing myself, and so it changed, what I said, to a thanks for bringing light to the table.
Way better.
Deleted “my fatty-acid friend” sign-off, and met a girl in the process.
Now I owe Mike again.
I will square with you sir, mark my words.
The Universe is full of miracles, if you ask me.
Thanks for the jewel, Santa did not forget me. Let me give you – a poem.
As a gift, not a Christmas poem, just a short bit of poetry (no title), merry Christmas,
Mark (o man im getting stage fright, forget that!)
Master,
mixing in pure atmosphere on and on
the vented bowl allows to pass
anew
welcome sensation relief of pressure
the mind asking
how can this be…right?
Ask again.
Peace rushes in and a sort of joy
it is breaking free
Joy indeed is watching the creed
in flames.
From the other side, alongside my father
I’m making my momma proud
and for a moment late
happy.
mark marcosays
“Truth is breaking quickly[free].”
– baby bunker
glennsays
Merry Christmas Mike and best wishes for the best new year ever.
Right Lars, it has been a stellar year, with “Going Clear” documentary, Leah Remini’s book “Troublemaker”, Tony Ortega’s book tour for “Miss Lovely” to mention just a few, and fewer people afraid to speak out about the cult. My hope and wish for the New Year is that those who are in and unhappy but afraid, find the courage to leave, and that those disconnected from loved ones, especially parents from children, are reunited. What a wonderful thing that would be. – T.J.
…and Chris Shelton’s brand new, anticipated book, Scientology: A to Xenu, yay!
See? It IS working out. We ARE better, better at getting better. You just need a day like Christmas once in awhile, just to get a grip, see straight on the way things are…
I’m lovin’ it.
No reason left
to be sad, angry or even defiant. Every reason to be cool, continue cooly, love this feeling of contentment.
Reward, isn’t it, virtue arrives in your lap by virtue of intention pure and nothing else, there because it belongs there, the result of our, not just one but all of our collective intention, such is the nature of the Universe. This will be the best year yet. Love to ALL who speak, And I do not hesitate to include the Narco-s of the world. This place shines so brightly that even the snarky words put down here become part of the everlasting truth, like, instantaneously. I do live it so, love it so, making voices once muted for so long… heard! Hear Ye, Hear Ye, ring, ring, ring!!! Merry New Year! This has got to be fun, beautiful, I don’t care what planet you’re from. Cults are cults but of course I will rather be dancing in the wide open spaces of Truth and Knowledge, Evermore. Merry Day indeed.
Well I just celebrated my first Christmas without my son. He disconnected from us earlier this year and obviously hoped we would just disappear into the ether and allow him to continue his family connections (like Christmas) without his SP folks around. Sadly for him, like everything else in scn, that didn’t work out and the entire family was gathered without him (and me having to explain something about disconnection and shunning). None of us so much as have his telephone number any more.
Even more sadly for him, while doing his GAT2 delivery training he realised his deadbeat wife wasn’t going to make the grade to his expectations and so also divorced her this year and he no longer has a wife or child for Christmas either (or their family). Yep, another fine upstanding product of the Bridge smashing suppression wherever it appears. No doubt him and his fellow staff members are having a rip roaring snorter of a Christmas somewhere congratulating themselves on 47X expansion while they raise a toast among the two or three of the (rapidly shrinking) brave gathering.
So sorry to hear about your son. But it sounds great that you will have a nice Xmas with your other family.
The same thing happened with my son this year. He also changed his phone number, so we cant contact him and he also moved. That must be a new tactic from the cult – forcing a phone number change.
Now that my wife and I are apparently declared (no official notice) the good news is that we will have Xmas with old declared, SP, family that we haven’t be able to spend time with in years as we were trying to fake allegiance to the cult, to allow our son to be able to stay connected. I hope to have a great Xmas with my family and although I do not like to have bad thoughts about my son, I do hope he gets sad and depressed spending his first Xmas EVER, without his parents and brothers. We’ll think about him, toast absent family and friends, but I’ll have a great day!
Merry Xmas to Mike and all of those who visit his site. I hope you all have a great day with family that love you.
…come ye its still Christmas, man. You’re still celebrating (if i have anything to say a bow.
Tit.)
Let this be a lesson to you, a thing or two i’ve spent way too much of my life forgetting.
In reality, scientologists don’t even recognize Christmas as a holiday.
The Holy Day
does not even exist in there, another casualty of any such rigidly closed belief system, unbelievable as it is, they begrudgingly give a couple hours to have a hug with somebody or something, want to call it Christmas, fine, times up where is my whip? Me talk pretty now, on purpose, because this your Christmas card and im feeling all my love is yours anyway. Beauty is being able to say anything at all, we all know a thing or two, we all need. All of us. Its like that motto, the real one, that symbolizes both strength and knowing, No Man Left Behind. If one of us is chained none of us are free. Not Grateful Dead, that was from god, somewhere in the etchings of my beautiful beautiful dreams, then oft-forgotten lesson #Two:This is every day free, soldier, no more thinking necessary.-agent mm 🙂 what a day-personally i gotta run…
sorry for my crappy poetry, now i do need to get real.
All I was trying to say, wanting to say was,
“We’ll get him back. ”
I believe this church is nearly done. The kid is not lost, he just needs a rope and we’re the ones to isolate that little bug. We will do it. Then the inevitable end will arrive. If it has to be an Act of Congress then so be it,
and then,
“Everyday free is like Christmas.”
was all, but i kinda muffed it,
laughing because the church is such a joke and i am a miserable failure as a comedian.
Miracles left and right, almost everywhere
except the spaces occupied by the churches and missions of scientology.
Balance miracles and things like Christmas against… this church, the scammers?
All this church bears in terms of fruit is a measly bowl of stale party nuts, do eat up.
Not mankinds’ proudest singularity, creation of higher consciousness.
thank goodness you guys are around, that is all i have got to say. Not just anyone can tolerate me, ordinarily, not many can handle the lack of reason. We really are better. Thanks, i mean, love mark he is a freak after all,
as it is,
a very merry Christmas for us every one. every
single
one.
dr mac, so sorry to hear you have a family member still in. Hopefully he’ll awaken soon. All of us feel that way. Wishing you and your family a very blessed Christmas & New Years’! May 2016 be your best yet!
To all those whose family members have disconnected from them and who live in the USA:
Please, please contact your House representative and both of your Congresspersons and repeatedly beg them to question this satanic organization’s tax exempt status!!!!!!!
This list is a Christmas present for Narco,
– to complete his sacred list of loons and worthless people.
Thank you, venerable floofgoofer, for reminding us of such important concepts to this game we play, basic rules, such as boundaries between right and wrong, what is knowledge vs ignorance and deception, what is charity and charitable vs what is greed, what is morally and ethically correct vs what is a mad-mans’ method for obtaining wealth and power by extracting the resources, including minds and identity, from your unwitting children searching for guidance.
There is a difference between what is morally correct and what is legal.
It is up to us to make sure those lines are clearly marked.
It is up to us to make sure our lawmakers create the laws that draw those lines.
The Church of Scientology is an abomination to social justice.
The very least we must do is see to it that they pay the taxes on their un-godly profits and properties.
This is how we seal and shut the voices of people like Narco and the worm that leads him.
We speak. Now I shall write. Looks like I have a list of my own…
Don’t we all?-mm
And you too, Cooper. It was such a pleasure meeting you this year and seeing the new and beautiful life you have. See you again sometime in 2016 I hope.
Wishing you a very blessed Christmas, Coop! Thanks for all of your incredible posts! You’re an essential component here! May 2016 be your best year yet!
A very Merry Christmas to Mike and all you posters here! You guys make my life better!
Mike, I know you have two little ones. I wish I could have seen their faces this morning! With all the shit you’ve gone through with the cult, seeing their little faces must wash it all away, my friend! Living well is the best revenge, and Mike, with your wonderful wife and boys, you truly are living well. What a wonderful turnaround your life has taken! The only way this day could be better is if all of us posters showed up at your front door! Yeah, yeah, I know, it might be a tad crowded, and sure, you might run out of food quicker than you thought, yeah, and a few of us might have streaked, naked of course, in front of the cult buildings, and, oh yeah, someone may call the cops on us, and it might be a little tough finding sleeping spaces for everyone, and we might over stay our welcome, but, all in all it would be an EPIC, MONUMENTAL, GREATEST EVER, FANTASTIC, OTHER WORLDLY, UNBELIEVABLE day. The kind of day your two boys will never stop talking about.
OK, must send love and best wishes for the upcoming New Year to Old Surfer Dude, whose posts make me laugh and give great insight into what goes on inside the cult, please keep your upbeat, heartwarming and cool posts coming, we all love you. – T.J.
i would LOVE to streak the big blue building, i would even handcuff my ankle to a lamppost in front of the entrance, wonderfully nude, hoping to see TV camera crews getting all excited to take my picture, crashing vans on the curb. Finally, some attention. I can imagine costumes like Guy Fawkes masks. I got a sign: NO POWER OVER ME SCIENTOLOGY, the S-word in red, block letters over a red circle and slash, me on stilts and wearing a crown three feel taller than my head that looks like a Bishop or Mayan headdress. And otherwise naked. I have to be naked. I will look forward to a little jail, for nostalgic reasons and a chance to meet the needs of others who otherwise never would have met me, and maybe i could cheer the place up for a couple days, i can make the best of it, maybe suffering has a holy purpose. I got other problems, like addicted to this blog. To quote Surfer Dude, you guys make my life better.
MERRY CHRISTMAS, MIKE & FAMILY (ALL OF THEM!) … Thank you for your BRAVERY and making this blog. It’s made me brave, too! — BRAVERY AND THE TRUTH ARE CONTAGIOUS!!
except for the sad part
if only Shelly’s jail cell had internet maybe she could see this
I would give it a shot
to be a friend to her.
You know what I am happy about?
Is that there is a guy out there who believes he is THE most intimidating person on Earth
and I don’t care. Not just any guy, The Leader of a movement I once was willing to give up everything for, my life. I am going to say what I want, when and where I want, fearlessly and proudly, and yes, just knowing that makes me something maybe even better than free, it makes me happy.
Now I just want to be heard. Merry Christmas All.
Prosperity and $cientology are the very definition of oxymoron. Thanks to RB and MR for keeping the truth and lutz flowing to the masses. Happy R6 implant day to all.
You’re right, Jens. Tis the Season! We all should be charitable to one another. So, Merry Christmas to Mike, RB, and to everyone (including OSA, you fuckers!).
Whew! Well I certainly feel like I’m in the Holiday Spirit!
This is a day to share with family and friends in unity. That is also the Joy of the Birth of Life and the creation of Dreams and Futures. Happy Christmas Day to all.
Another year is closing down and a new one is close at hand. I think I can pretty accurately predict we all share a common goal for 2016. It involves the demise of the abuses perpetrated by the Cof$ and the quicker they cease the better. May we all be reunited with family and friends and get on with life without a certain tyrant of a dwarf strutting his stuff with other people’s money and dedication.
Happy Holidays – love that concept – Splurge on it!
Wishing you a very blessed Christmas & New Years’, I Yawn! This blog would not be what it is without your great posts! I sit at the feet of the master….
Last night I dreamed of the ocean and warmth, giraffes and seals. It was all so peaceful. I wanted to be there in my dream.
I woke up while it was still dark and liked across the snow to a shining oasis of Christmas lights at the house where little Sylvia lives with her adoptive parents and thought of the joy she has brought the neighborhood and my heart warmed.
A few minutes later my cell phone blew up with texts from my grandchildren because they were staring at their presents and their parents were still asleep. Grammy to the rescue! I slipped on some boots, jumped in the car and raced over to help roust those parents out of bed.
Yep, I’m right where I need to be.
Last year I talked about getting to spend time with all of both sides of my family. It’s happening again this year. One of the people I spent time with has died, another one was diagnosed with a very rare form of cancer in January and has spent most of the last year in the hospital, she just got to come home yesterday after her stem cell transplant.
If you don’t have money, it really doesn’t matter. The gift of ones time is the most precious gift you can give. Six months from now, my grandchildren will probably not remember the contents of the packages they unwrap later today when we get together for dinner, but they will remember giggling with Grammy as we went in to wake their parents on Christmas morning.
I hope everyone here gets the luxury of time with loved ones. Thanks Mike,for taking the time to have this blog.
I wonder what Heber and the rest are doing in the Hole (which continues to not exist) today? Maybe Corn on the COB will give them 10 minutes to eat instead of just 5.
I think a new classic Christmas song was just written…….next year my family and i will be singing around the Christmas tree ‘If his time is nigh, let the old man die’
Happy Holidays. RB thanks for your wry, dead on humor. You cut to the heart of the matter. And may 2016 bring all the exs and potential exs the achievement of their dreams and aspirations. And thank you Mike for making the process of decompression and reprogramming fun and enlightening. Have a wonderful Xmas and happy new year.
The Mystery Prosperity Guest is from a list of usual
one time fat cats who are not too BROKE to attend the event.
FLUNK !!! the delightful special dinner is always reheated Lasanga,
hamburger is to expensive in Columbia.
A very Merry Christmas to you OSD.
May every day in 2016 be like you are an OT 9 and OT 10 Completion
so when you walk into any Starbucks people get out of the way
like Moses parting the Red Sea , all your surfboards are waxed and ready
by simply making the thought.
Oh, heck, when I walk into a Starbucks after not taking a shower for a week, everybody gets out of my way. And I really don’t need to actually go into the Starbucks. I can stand 50 ft away and they’re pouring out of the Starbucks! One of my many super powers!
It is commonly held to be the celebration of a birth.
But there’s something more to Christmas and it is the idea that God would come to us as a person to speak to us as people. No priests as intermediaries or a light show miracle–just a conversation on a personal basis.
And God has, in my case, warned me of the evil danger of Scifi’s, and got me and my kids out of there. “I said, “C’mon, kids, we’re outta here!” … I only regret my kids watched some of their implant movies. That’s something they could have done without! But I thank the positive being in charge of this universe, especially for today and tomorrow … I’ve got 3 of my kids back!!!!” (Was disconnected for over 8 years from them cause of sci’gist!) … Perhaps, I’ll write a book on all the disclosures and devious games that nasty little dick had been doing to me, my family, and my, non-bio “twin!”
Yeah, baby! Now that’s what I call CHRISTMAS CHEER! Pat, I think I can speak for all the posters here when I say, WOO HOO!!!! Three of your kids have seen the light and are back! You must be on cloud nine right now! Congrats, Pat! And, PLEASE write that book!
A very Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Years’ to you!
Thank you Old Surfer Dude, I think I love you! LOL You make us laugh and you make us brave, too. I love reading your comments and everyone else’s posts, too — they really do help, each and everyone of them. I get stronger willed and more confident with all of them!
Oh, and I will think about writing that book because my family’s case is so, so unusual and rare. It’s not typical at all. And every bit of my soul, down to my toes, want to expose the whole ordeal. I just have to be very “delicate” on some matters, and I think you already know me — I’m far from delicate! (GO BROOKLYN CHICKS!)
Willing you, and your wife, and your whole family of friends and loved one to have a good one each and every year, OSD! 😉
Oh yeah, Nola! Sounds good to me. I have a page on here for years now, but am only now free and clear and ready and able to fight back! If I ever see that little “runt,” I’m gonna rip his fuggly face off with my teeth! (Bring the toothpicks! LOL) 😉
Darlin, I’m from New Orleans. I’ll bring toothpicks, food, booze, music….all of it. 😀
Know that as you continue to speak out you have love and support around you. I look forward to hearing more of what you have to say. Happy New Year Pat. Sending lots of love to you and your family. I do not have the words to express how happy I am that the shackles are off. I hope more people will be inspired by you to do the same. 🙂
Thank you so much, Nola! I do hope everyone gets the “courage” to speak out despite all the fear they have. I thank my kids for keeping me around. It was my love and over-protectiveness for them that kept me sane and just bide my time. I still have much work with one left, but I’m sure she’ll come through!
LUV YA’S ALL! Thank you all for the strength from all posts!
Thank you, WE are having a good one. We’ve had many little miracles of togetherness happening right in front of us!
MERRY CHRISTMAS, Clearlypissedoff! (I adore the name!) 😉
Now that is a Christmas present Pat!!! I can’t wait to read the story, not to mention finding out the juicy tidbits that His minions pulled on your kids. Maybe it will help me find the key to springing my two kids.
My daughter Haley got the truth rundown administered to her circa 2011-12 while she was in the CMO-IXU unit in downtown Hollywood. After that she went into the Jenny Linstrome / Dave Miscariage valance and decided to perform face rippings on her still in Mom. As it turns out, that was what it took for her Mom to see the light of truth and tell the cult to stick it.
Yo Dave,
Wishing you a very, very ugly new year good buddy! I know, it shouldn’t be a problem to achieve that!
DITTO! … MIRACLES DO HAPPEN! — THE REAL MIRACLES! ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS OPEN OUR EYES AND “MOUTHS” AND “UNITE” IN THIS CAUSE, AND WE’LL BEAT THAT little dick TOGETHER!
Hey Newcomer, Thank you and Merry Christmas to you!
I’ll tell ya one quick tib-bit right now. They sought out my son, followed him and his friend around. Both boys were about 14, and buying all the parents Xmas gifts. This strange man walked up to my boy and handed him “Dianetics” and said give this to your mother — she’ll love it for Christmas!
That’s just an opening of a chapter. It’s not the true beginning; and the rest is so wild, it will seem like fantasy, when it really isn’t. No one could make this shit up! 😉
Merry Christmas to everyone here and those still under the radar or still in. I hope to see more of you lurkers un-lurking and joining us crazy wogs out here. We will be waiting for you with love, humor and support.
Well, seeing that we’re all out and staff are working today, I think we’ve just received, in abundance, Happy Holidays and our wishes have been fulfilled.
We’ve got a beautiful and blustery day here at the beach. Cold too!
Wishing everyone here a wonderful, beautiful Christmas & New Years’! I’m looking forward to trashing the cult in ’16. I mean, trashing the cult has become a cottage industry!
If I had just one wish
Only one demand
I hope he’s not like me
I hope he understands
That he can take this life
And hold it by the hand
And he can greet the world
With arms wide open…
With arms wide open
Under the sunlight
Welcome to this place
I’ll show you everything
With arms wide open
Now everything has changed
I’ll show you love
I’ll show you everything
With arms wide open.
-CREED
RB, Best wishes to you and your fabulous cartoon! I hope you’re having a very blessed day! What you bring to the table is just fantastic! A very Merry Christmas to you! It’s a magical day…
Love the Freewinds Christmas flyer, RB. LOL 🙂
Thanks Regraded Being. We are suffering from a Green Christmas here (usually we’ve had snow on the ground for a month and a half by this time of year).
Your Christmas Day strip had me wandering around with a smile on my face all day, as I contemplated the next action as this couple leaves the FreeWinds – reconnecting with their kids.
Not long ago, I reconnected with a very close friend I disconnected from some years back. I felt so bad for disconnecting from her, that I didn’t want to call her even though I wanted to apologize for being such an asshole. I missed her, but I couldn’t call her because I felt unworthy of even talking to her. We weren’t lovers or anything, but we had worked together in the arts and had been very close – we’d been through a lot together over a long time.
A very dear friend, and a mutual friend, who I had known through the ins and outs knew I wanted to reconnect with her and knew the pain and conflict I was feeling. One day, he just took my cell phone and dialed her number, handed it back, and ordered me: “SPEAK.”
I stammered through a voicemail message about having something really important to say and would she please let me buy her dinner. To my surprise, she called me back.
It was like making a new best friend again. Does that make any sense? We talked and talked. It was like making a new best friend again. I can’t describe the joy.
My Christmas wish for 2016 is that we make all of our new best friends again. It’s the greatest joy I can wish for another.
To all those of any faith or no faith who are missing friends and family, I wish it be so. And may it be soon.
Peace and good will,
August Cox
That’s a very inspirational story, dear Gus Cox ; one that shows what faith and forgiveness are capable of accomplishing. I am very happy that you are your friend are together again. Happy holidays.
Peter
…let’s make our best friends best friends again, every one.
-Thank you Gus. This is how it happens, I do believe. Thanks for the touch.
I need a glass of champagne for every one in the room, let’s make a toast!…
Happy New Year!
August Cox – that was beautiful, honest and real. Thanks for posting that story.
Happy New Year – peace and love to you all! We have traveled this journey together and I am grateful for ALL of you – thank you everyone for being here to help us all heal from the betrayal of Scientology!
This is a great and special place
Ann, you are the miracle. 🙂
very merry Christmas this day and the next and all my heart which is a thing of eternity-mm
…well, in moments like this, for comfort and solace, I turn to that source of supreme intelligence,
the Gita, something to fill the void.
Let’s see, what to find, what form of words..what to cull from this mythological conversation between god and man, this authority of 500 decades ago, what might I understand or know?
Do you believe in Eternity? I do,… (as I choose, and if faith be of reality)
Here is something to dream on…two verses purported to be the voice of the supreme creator, 15 and 16 from Chapter Two:
15. O best among men [Arjuna, the king], the person who is not disturbed by happiness and distress and is steady in both is certainly eligible for liberation.
16. Those who are seers of truth have concluded that, of the nonexistent there is no endurance, and of the eternal there is no cessation. Seers have concluded this by studying the nature of both.
Well, let that be a penny for you pocket, certainly sounds hopeful,
with merry wishes ever more, as it is-mm
What a wonderful comment from Theta Clear (Peter Torres); combining insight with compassion.
Thanks for the validation , dear Errol ; I am glad you liked it.
Peter
To all of you who has “lost” a son/daughter, a brother/sister, a father/mother, a friend ; I ask you to have faith and embrace forgiveness. Forgiveness for your misguided family member who , under the spell of the undue influence of a very insidiously destructive cult, decided that honor and integrity were below “Spiritual Salvation” ; that loyalty should follow a leader instead of our hearts ; that strict dogmas were more important than pluralism, inclusion, and the multiplicity of viewpoints.
Forgive them , for they only look awake, but are really under an hypnotic sleep. An unsuspected trance that has clouded their judgment, and has confused their priorities in life. A cult can change you in ways you never suspect ; it takes away your Free Will, your discernment. It takes away your basic goodness, your ability to embrace all areas of life.
Some of us were strong enough, and refused to compromise with our integrity, with our code of honor. Some of us were strong enough to break free of the insidious trance we had gotten into, and decided that better death before dishonor ; that we rather lose our “eternity” than live a life w/out Free Will and freedom of thought. Unfortunately, many were not that “lucky” , and the worse enemy of humanity got to them, and paralyzed their minds : FEAR
Fear leads to disloyalty, leads to self-denial, leads to robotism, leads to selfishness, leads to failure, leads to lack of faith, leads to darkness.
But humans can learn to become fear-free ; they can learn how to master it ; how to control and direct their thoughts towards higher levels of sanity, survival and happiness.
Do not deceive yourselves, and pretend that all is well w/out your family members close to you. Do not attempt to ease your pain with denial and forgetfulness ; that never really works. Instead, embrace the strongest weapon that life has always had at its disposal : FAITH.
That who loses faith, has already lost the battle.
Have faith that this nightmare will soon end ; that the “mighty” Church will soon be but a footnote on some history book. The CofS will collapse soon ; that’s the laws of life in operation. To the degree that you doubt it, you’ll be enturbulated and overwhelmed. But its demise is as much of a fact as you know you are a sentient/thinking being. The Church had been slowly dying , but lately, the dying rate has grown exponentially.
With its disappearance , hundreds will wake up from their enslaving dream, and will seek out help to put themselves back together, to repair their broken pieces. Many are ready to receive them with open arms ; with tolerance and understanding.
Your friends and family members will be confused then, under heavy pain, remorse and a lot of grief. That would be the time to remember than only in forgiveness can any true and lasting healing occur. Embrace forgiveness and open your hearts to them. And the time will come when you’ll be together again with all wounds already healed, and all of this would have been but a nightmare that you once had.
Marry Christmas to you all. May this new 2016 bring you all FAITH, the Spirit of Play, and wonderful revelations.
Peter Torres
Powerful, enduring love to you, Peter.
It is refreshing meeting a speaker with his heart in the right place,
obviously operating under service to a genuinely higher cause.
Some things humans do can be sacred. All those things would be in service to others.
Without a doubt, for your efforts the world is a better place and I do love you. Thanks TC.
Mark
Thanks for your encouraging , kind and warm words , dear Mark ; most kind. I love you as well.
Be well and happy holidays for you and your beloved family.
Peter
thats where my story gets saucy, as im kinda the lone star here, walking the Earth. But mom brought me up right. Being crazy taught me independence somehow, and being alone can have its advantages. Yourself makes a cheap date, for instance. But you find reasons to be alone, kinda like that addiction to sadness when that particular girl heartlessly says never. When scn, fuck it, that bunch of scum suckers approached me with the The Factors and The Communication Course as the one and only answer to that nagging fear of being lost forever? yep, i was pretty ripe. I joined up pretty excited, which very likely saved me. I’m not saying that i was headed for a crash, but belief system breakdown numero uno was indeed in progress at the time. Her name was Debbie, and i still love only her. I was lacking a reason to not end the pain i loved her so. But it would be flat out wrong to say that scn saved me. After being inside, i still had my doubts (amazingly), thanks again to mom who taught me that there is, indeed, such a thing as crazy where you least expect it. Being on your toes, is all it takes. To stay up all you have to do is question the source. Every one needs to keep at least one question for their own, or, they become a member of the food chain. Mine was this: How can we know when any recollection we may have is nothing more than a fabrication of the mind? How can I have any faith at all, really, in anything described as a “past life”. Can you accept any such recollection of a past life to be, also, a thing of pure imagination?
In other words, fiction.
In 1975, it was just too early to ask the question. I was thrown out. Again, you have to wait for the book, i just passed 7 other middles…
No, Chris Shelton saved me. Not L. Ron Hubbard.
I owe him a Christmas present to beat the band, come to think of it.
Now you guys are me, my family. Mike is like my grand-pa but i believe im acouple years older. You know im skipping at least two middles to the story mine. Two more middle belief-systems that failed which would then PUT ME OUT to prove my survival skills in the wonderful wilderness of modern society. I would have died, somewhere along the line, perhaps off the gutters of the Portland Org, but mom again, says come on, Mark you don’t need anyone to be happy…(that is not true, but it can get you over the gaps, and Mom’s good advise matures more after her passing).
One girl*. Saved the day, way back when.
not knowing how lucky i was
getting my training for broken belief systems in early …
Cults. May god save us all. Thank you so much. Now if you’ll excuse me i have a movie to watch. Love that Scarlett Johannson, another thing i probably shouldn’t be talking about – love Mark
*merry christmas, mom, i live to make you happy
Thanks for sharing your story with us, dear Blue Moon ; and I am glad that you saw the light , and broke free of the cult. It seems that your mom was a great character. I am sure she is very proud wherever she might be. Take care.
Peter
BlueMoon – awesome post. Thank you for sharing that story! Big Hug!!
Brilliant post Peter. Thank you for the encouraging words of wisdom.
You are most welcome , dear Clearlypissedoff ; and thanks for the validation and warm words.
Peter
Yes, faith…
What is incredible is this guy (on RB cartoon) who has disconnected from his kids. You know disconnection has become pretty normal. A ex very good friend of mine has a kid who is not a scientologists and he is friend with my kids who are not really too much of a scientogist. And the parents of this guys have warned him not to communicate with my kids (friends till childhood) otherwise they would disconnect from their son.
Disconnectio as a tech is now done on the church as cold as going earlier similar on a rud.
Disconnection has become a standard scientology practice actually quite recently, as giving donation as a mean to rise your case level.
They have gone completly insane. Fortunately my wife and kids shared my viewpoint so the family didn’t suffer breach. But we lost all our friends, 30 years very closed friends. Amongst them some disconnected when being pennyless had no chance to go up the bridge, had no family inside. They had nothing to loose by being out of the church. But they just obeyed to the rule.
Even myself I reacted this way at a time. They want to be away from enturbulation. It’s a sort of fear.
I would so much like to see the fall of Miscavige.
Need to have faith? i’m in for it.
Thanks for the comm , dear friend ; and I know what you mean. Disconnection is the most inhuman practice that any “religion” is capable of doing.
Family is the building block , the foundation , of this society. W/out it , everything degenerates into a senseless selfishness and a life lacking purpose. That who destroys a family destroys himself at the end.
But no evil last forever ; I have learned that the very hard way. The worst the overt acts are , the faster and most disastrous is the fall. The fall is always inevitable when one hurts our fellow beings. Doubting this fact , this natural law of life , can start the downfall of an individual ; for he loses FAITH , and his belief that only goodness triumphs at the end. That’s the way this universe seems to has been designed.
Of course , it is not enough to just sit iddle , and expect for the laws of Karma to do their work ; “God helps those who help themselves”. Victory is not a passive endeavor ; it relies on correct strategies, courage, determination, persistence, and most of all ; FAITH. Those elements are well known to the real leaders. What is not generally understood as a key aspect for victory is the capacity for compassion , for forgiveness. W/out it , hate consume us all , and erases the happiness that comes from defeating all odds.
DM will be judged , but not from us, and not from the human courts. He’ll be Judged from his own consciousness ; he’ll be his own judge and executioner.
We must keep doing our work , and concentrate on the positive, and let the negative take care of itself. You’ll get what you firmly put your attention on. Putting our attention on the positive aspects of anything, and adding FAITH to it, sooner than later makes it a reality. Why worry and suffer for something that WILL get handled at the end ? Victory is a certainty for those who believe.
So , just take a deep breath, my friend, enjoy the good things of life, and let life do its thing. DM will fail, and people will recover from this cult. Make no mistake about it, this WILL happen in less than 2 years.
Take care, my friend.
Peter
Yes Peter, it will happen. But sometimes I feel it won’t.
Those guy who have disconnected from me, as I said very closed friend mostly not robotic type, they are very firm in their position. Being kind of heroic, like someone who would become suddenly a patriot. Everything totally inverted. They have the feeling that they are ethical, made to do the right thing even if a bit against their will.
Now they are at the level of duty. They are true rightness, They stand tall for once, instead of being deadly indulgent. They realize for once their overt, when they natter about this or that, when they read entheta shit on internet, when they try to find reasons to SP people like me. They often get the cog that in fact I was SP all along and not that I became SP. None become SP if he doesnt have the seed!
So the most normal guy now become a zealot tp protect the church. They feel so happy not to have fall on the dark side.
More than often, their kids are not scientologists, they even make jokes on scientology, a subject of laughing. But they wouldn’t disconnect.They can accept people who make joke on scientology, they are innocent and they don’t really know.
No there is only one real crime in the church and I am guilty of it : to find out about David Miscavige activities, and to speak about it. Then you are disserving to loose all family and friends. You are really a full complete ennemy, and they wait for you that the karma takes you away. You have this shit postulates of the back. Just because you don’t like COB.
Thanks, dear FG ; I fully understand what you mean , I really do. I am quite familiar with the extreme attitudes of Kool-Aid drinker Scientologists ; they are in the reverse vector of it all : Inverted “honor” , inverted “integrity” , inverted “self-determinism , inverted “loyalty” , inverted “free will” , etc, etc. That’s part of the undue influence from the cult. Cult members operate under a series of false assumptions which are never really inspected by them.
I am sure that you are familiar with your class I training data regarding the subject of the “Confusion and the stable datum”. Many KSWs have this datum backwards as they are mostly familiar with “Problems of Work” description of that phenomena where a person under a “confusion” is supposed to adopt a “Stable Datum” to conquer that confusion. In the book’s context , this adoption of such a “stable datum” is a good thing to do. So when many Scientologists met with the subject again while listening to the class I lectures (which are part of the BC lectures around ’62) , they didn’t understand the mechanisms that LRH described there. Not because LRH said it , as I don’t care a rat’s ass about ANYTHING LRH might have said or written about (I don’t even think he was smarter than I) , but he was right about his description of that mechanism : Being under a heavy confusion, and then adopting a “stable” datum to “ease” that confusion, a datum that was frequently false and non-survival.
Like an individual who is dumped by his GF, and then adopts the “stable” datum, the “Safe Solution” that “All women are bad”. He couldn’t stand his confusion (his heavy loss) , and so to “ease” it off, he adopted a “safe” solution , something that would explain it all ; “All women are bad”. He then felt “relieved” of his confusion. People do this in life every time ; they adopt “stable” data to handle their confusions in life , data that is frequently false and non-survival.
Most of us , when we got into Scientology were under heavy confusions in one area or another. The desire for spiritual knowledge (w/out any “ruins”) wasn’t what got most of us in ; it was a very specific situation that we were going through at the time. Something that were hurting us in which we had our attention heavily fixed on (a confusion, something w/out an answer, to definite it correctly). So , Scientology , because it sounded “logical” at the time (many of us had not been exposed to philosophy before) , became our “stable” data, our “Safe Solution”. Many were weak and vulnerable , easily suggestible by charismatic leaders trained at the subject of suggestibility.
What were those “Safe Solutions” , that “stable ” data that many of us adopted ? Here they are :
1. That LRH was a god-like individual right about everything he ever wrote about.
2. That LRH was a true humanitarian like Earth had never seen. No other spiritual leader could possible be compared to LRH in terms of their responsibility level for others and their honesty and goodness towards their fellow beings.
3. That Scientology was man’s only chance for spiritual salvation. All other past and present routes were either suppressive or heavily booby-trapped.
4. That you would lose your “eternity” w/out Scientology.
5. That to criticize Scientology and/or LRH was a crime of the greatest proportions ; a crime against humanity itself.
6. That there is such a thing as “Standard Tech” , and that Scientology was infallible and 100% workable unless “Standard Tech” wasn’t being followed.
The six above assertions are TOTALLY FALSE and TOTALLY UNWORKABLE as “solutions or “stable” data. Those 6 are the main ones that Scientologists adopted, but the most insidiously enslaving ones are 1 , 2 and 4 , “4” (“Losing one’s eternity”) being the one that actually prevents disconnection from the cult for the ones still believing in #3 and #4.
With those 6 fixed ideas , insidiously influencing our Free Will and Freedom of Thought , there is very little that one can do to change anything. Examining by ourselves each one of the 6 fixed ideas , with the help of someone trained in cultic studies (and preferably an ex cult member) , and exactly isolating the damage that they have brought about in our lives , is what is called “DEPROGRAMMING”. W/out correct and professional deprogramming , one is only shooting in the dark, and shouting at the chasm , to paraphrase dear Mike.
Many have already walked down that road of deprogramming by using various methods such as reading and participating in blogs/websites like this one and others as well. By reading excellent books such as “A Piece of the Blue Sky” by John Atack and others , and by being exposed to the Media (documentaries, special new’s reports, interviews, etc).
The exposure has increased markedly in the last decade, specially the last 2 years. We now have, coming up soon , Ron’s Miscavige book , Louis Theroux’s , “My Scientology Movie” , The Rathbun’s case , and other books that I am sure are in the making right now. Thanks to all those freedom fighters that are just too many to mention in a small post , the Media is no longer fearful of the Church’s “Attack the critics and dissenters” tactics. HBO set a very important precedent. Many will follow them ; many are ALREADY following them.
Due to all this exposure , the CofS is losing a lot more members than they are acquiring new ones. Now just do the math yourself, dear FG. Let’s use some logic here, would you ? The Orgs are each day more empty. The international stats are crashed. The active members’ stat (I am referring to the old-timers now) has plummeted . Do you know the ONLY reason this could happen in the first place ? Because others have been waking up, and freeing themselves from the undue influence of this cult.
We ARE WINNING ; make no mistake about it. We are winning every day more and more, and DM’s circle is getting smaller and smaller. I don’t know why can’t you see that. I honestly don’t know. Just stop being all worry about it , and put your attention on the wins themselves, on the positive aspects of it all. I can’t teach you , or teach anybody else for that matter, FAITH. That’s something that you have to figure out by yourself . I have provided you with the materials to teach you how to develop it. It is totally up to you to use them or not, to fully test them. I really hope you do as I hate to see you enturbulated. DM is not worth it.
Enjoy the holidays, my friend ; wonderful times are about to come.
ML ,
Peter
Yes, Peter, from my view you are mostly right, and it’s certainly true that Miscavige will loose and truth will come out. But sometimes in the past it tooks long before truth came out, and maybe there was time it didn’t. You feel sometimes duration will exaust you, and you’ll never see the light. But you are right about faith. It cost nothing why not use it and being positive.
As you know I still value Hubbard’s philosophy and tech.
You quote the level 1 tech about prior confusion. But it’s not the adoption of a stable datum which is the important point but the deconstruction of it.
What happened prior the construction of the fixed idea which stopped the confusion?
You could free someone from scientology in using the tech of prior confusion.
I used to prepcheck on PC prior confusion of deciding to start scientology on life repairs. Some felt really free. You see, when you audit you have to go toward individual freedom for your PC. You said you have been auditing a lot. Whatever our opinion of Hubbard and the church, it’s very sure that it would be silly to loose te skill of auditing as it’s a good psychotherapy.
Ultimate salvation? Of course not!
“Eternity”? I bet Hubbard never wrote this word. It appears in “from clear to eternity”. For me, not written by Hubbard, promoting “actual OT levels” which are not existing.
But we’ve been speaking about Kool Aid Drinker. Those friends who diconnected from me were almost returned to “wogs”. Couldn’t audit, not cultish at all means almost never go to event, going almost never on course, not applying any tech, middle class. Scientologist by habit. But still they disconnect on a “why not” basis. To be away from trouble, “not to be PTS”. They don’t even hope anything from the tech. People who knows the tech are out of the church not in. So I would conclude tech is freeing more than it enslaves.
Ciao Peter and you are right, wonderful time are about to come and everything will certainly come out allright and I thank for you good wishes and wish the same for you.
FG : “Yes, Peter, from my view you are mostly right, and it’s certainly true that Miscavige will lose and truth will come out. But sometimes in the past it took long before truth came out, and maybe there was time it didn’t. You feel sometimes duration will exaust you, and you’ll never see the light. But you are right about faith. It cost nothing why not use it and being positive.”
Peter : Yeah, I know what you mean ; I agree, it has happened in the past. This time , however , I don’t think that this is the case. Just by doing a stat analysis, the truth is easily revealed to you. Stats not only about the Church’s services and active membership , but about marketing-type of stats that measures how much an organization is effectively reaching out to others , and how much is the public (through website analysis) reaching out to it. That analysis points out to a very fast internal shrinkage , and a markedly decreased reach in terms of people looking at their websites. Correctly measured stats never lie, and always tell the real tale. There is no way in hell that the CofS can survive beyond 2018 ; it is just financially impossible. It WILL implode.
FG : “As you know I still value Hubbard’s philosophy and tech.”
Peter : I know you do , and I am ok with that. I have absolutely no problem with others following whatever system that they deem workable for them as long as self-determinism, free will, and power of choice over data is applied to the body of work in question. I know that you possesses such traits. Most KSW supporters, however, don’t ; not even the highly trained ones. I know most of them. The majority of them idolize LRH, and can’t see his destructive traits and acts. That for me is a very destructive cultish attitude all by itself that makes one violate , either purposely or unwittingly , many Human Rights. I just WON’T have that. As long as I live, I will attack and heavily criticize anything and anyone that is inclined to violate fundamental civil and Human Rights.
FG : “You quote the level 1 tech about prior confusion. But it’s not th e adoption of a stable datum which is the important point but the deconstruction of it.”
Peter I know ; I was only pointing out to the mechanics of it all. By “Deprogramming” , I meant such a deconstruction.
FG : “What happened prior the construction of the fixed idea which stopped the confusion? You could free someone from scientology in using the tech of prior confusion. I used to prepcheck on PC prior confusion of deciding to start scientology on life repairs. Some felt really free. ”
Peter : Yes, Prepcheck is one of the most usable and workable tools that Scn possesses. An excellent repair tool indeed. I use it a little different though. You know that I am the King of the squirrels. :-)))
I don’t go with the “If it doesn’t read, then don’t run it” absolute LRH datum. He claims that only reading items are charged because they are the ones that the PC is aware of, or can potentially become aware of. But any process , even if not “reading” , can all by itself , BRING that awareness about, thus increasing the responsibility level in the area being addressed. I’ve done that many times with excellent results every time. Also you don’t necessarily need to stop working on a flow just because it F/Ned. For that particular session, yes ; “Let the PC have his win”. But you can run it again with even better results and more TA action. Processes frequently works in layers, each time you run it, going to a deeper layer.
Overrun is just an idea , and not an actuality. It is the IDEA, not the actuality, that “Something has gone too long or has happened too frequently”. Scientologists were indoctrinated into believing the “incredible harmfulness of the Overrun” , and thus react to it very quickly and easily. It was a created, a suggested, state of mind about it all. There was no “Internationally crashed stats due to going past an F/N” as LRH attempted us to believe. That was just a big, huge wrong Why, as many others that LRH came up with due to incompetent research.
In the ’51-’57 era processes were run as long as it produced change, which frequently means several F/Ns per process , even if not all in the same session. That’s how I ran it myself when I audited thousands of unmetered “Old and no longer used” Scn processes , with PCs F/Ning at the examiner, and then I continuing the process according to how the PC had run on it for that session. I cracked almost every case I audited under 12 hours with incredible increases in the OCA graph. Real and lasting gains ; no BIs at all. Then a fool IXner came and changed everything , and my results were never the same. I then quit.
Now, tell all that to strict KSW followers , and watch their reactions. They feel uncomfortable just by listening to it. The idea of deviating from 100% LRH scares the hell of of them. They are robots to authority with no power of choice over data. I refuse to be a slave of authority and strict dogmas. The greatest possible freedom there is is owning your own mind.
FG : “You see, when you audit you have to go toward individual freedom for your P C. You said you have been auditing a lot. Whatever our opinion of Hubbard and the church, it’s very sure that it would be silly to loose te skill of auditing as it’s a good psychotherapy. ”
Peter : I fully agree with that point ; losing the skill is not a good option. As I have told you before , I use many of Scn in my daily life , including in Solo(ing) myself with much better results than any Solo auditor I know. And w/out needing to resort to “Other self-determinisms” such as “BTs” , but only asserting my own cause and authorship about things. I just hate being a victim, you know. The auditing comm cycle and the discipline of a session (basics of auditing) is a good foundation for any workable psychotherapy.
FG : “Ultimate salvation? Of course not! “Eternity”? I bet Hubbard never wrote this word. It appears in “ from clear to eternity”. For me, not written by Hubbard, promoting “actual OT levels” which are not existing.”
Peter : LRH DOES talk about “Salvation” and “Eternity” , the latter even if not using that exact word. But reading KSW #1 suffices to see the equality of it all ; he DID thought that w/out Scn , we would be lost into “Oblivion and eternal darkness”. As to “From Clear to Eternity” not being LRH’s , I beg to differ ; the logic is unsustainable. For you to assert “not LRH’s” , you would have to do the same with the FPRD and HRD Series , and ANYTHING from 1980 on. Are you ready to do that ? They all are from the same time period. Chris Black thinks as you do, but then he frequently uses the FPRD in his practice, and think of it as an incredible LRH tool. Those two thoughts are contradictory.
FG : “But we’ve been speaking about Kool Aid Drinker. Those friends who diconnected from me were almost returned to “wogs”. Co uldn’t audit, not cultish at all means almost never go to event, going almost never on course, not applying any tech, middle class. Scientologist by habit. But still they disconnect on a “why not” basis. To be away from trouble, “not to be PTS”. They don’t even hope anything from the tech. ”
Peter : Ok then ; I got that. But , were they really your friends ? It doesn’t sound like it. I am EXTREMELY selective with whom I call my friend. That’s why I am a grumpy , lonely , almost-old man (I am actually 47). I rather be alone than surrounded by disloyal “friends”. I am old-school ; I give my life for those I love. My life ? That , I can get a new back ; but I won’t sacrifice theirs ever.
FG : “People who knows the tech are out of the church not in. So I would conclude tech is freeing more than it enslaves.”
Peter : Fully agree with the 1rst sentence , but not with the 2nd one. If people are getting “happier” inside a bubble – as most Scientologists are in- I wouldn’t call it “working” , but an illusion. I wouldn’t call it “freedom” , but a “comfortable delusion”. If Tech is applied 100% w/out any deviations or modifications at all , then I am afraid that it can only enslave in the long run. I talk form a very, very, very hard won experience of decades and thousand of hours of application. I am no “Arm-Chair philosopher”.
FG : “Ciao Peter and you are right, wonderful time are about to come and everything will certainly come out allright and I thank for you good wishes and wish the same for you.”
Peter : You are most welcome, my dear friend. Thanks for your best wishes, and I am happy to hear of your positiveness and rekindled faith. Talk to you soon again.
ML,
Peter
Thank you Peter. Regarding the non reading question there is 2 opposits HCOB, one say you should check Q the other that you shouldn’t. I think the truth is optionnal. You see the indicator of the PC and if meter is alive on the subject. I don’t think it’s a good idea to audit a non interest, non reading anything. You go into a wall of mass. We still have to really understand this in piloting it. There must be a basic truth underlying it, but not a robotic read/no read.
Regarding later than 1980, it’s true that from 1982 I didn’t like what LRH wrote. Before almost never. For me the last true LRH bulletin is from 1980 Nature of a being.
FPRD is weird. It had nothing to do with the research line which was Not’s. FPRD was there to audit “false purpose”. What is that? It doesnt align with the tech on purpose. If not Hubbard who developped it? Only Mayo could have. Mithoff was not smart enough. Or what?
It was Hubbard. I was a pilot case for FPRD because I had “unhandled Evil Purposes” because the SO Int Pd Comps were false reported and I was holding WDC SO.
FG : “Thank you Peter.”
Peter : You are most welcome.
FG : “Regarding the non reading question there is 2 opposits HCOB, one say you should check Q the other that y ou shouldn’t.”
Peter : The closer to PT ones only says you check for read before running any flow of anything. The exception to this are the Power Processes , where you don’t need a read to run them, you just do it ignoring reads and F/Ns. But everything else (processes as such) is based on reads according to “Standard Tech”. There are no other exceptions to this per LRH, not that it is true at all.
FG : “I think the truth is optionnal. You see the indicat or of the PC and if meter is alive on the subject. I don’t think it’ s a good idea to audit a non interest, non reading anything. Yo u go into a wall of mass. We still have to really understand this in piloting it. There must be a basic truth underlying it, but not a robotic read/no read.”
Peter : Yes, I agree ; there must be a basic truth behind it. But my point was that many things than doesn’t read produce TA action , and thus brings about wins and gains. In the ’51-’57 era it was enough to run a process as long as it produced change. If it didn’t produce any change, then one would just drop it, plain and simple. Checking interest is not necessarily workable, as desinterest might just be an indicator on non-confront on the area , which would mean that the PC would benefit from running it as his KRC level on the area being addressed will increase by his continual inspection of such a subject through repetitive commands. It is all a matter of correct evaluation of the case on the different scales. That’s why I have mentioned before that not everybody can become an auditor and C/S.
FG: “Regarding later than 1980, it’s true that from 1982 I didn’t like what LRH wrote. Before almost never. For me the last true LRH bulletin is from 1980 Nature of a being. FPRD is weird. It had nothing to do with the research line which was Not’s. FPRD was there to audit “false purpose”. What is t hat? It doesnt align with the tech on purpose. If not Hubbard who developped it? Only Mayo could have. Mithoff was not sm art enough. Or what?”
Peter : I got it. For me Mayo was smarter than LRH in many regards. Ray ? He is just a robot.
Mike just asserted that the FPRD is indeed LRH’s , and I have no reason to doubt his word. Besides , there is nothing “non-LRH” about it. “False Purposes” refers to the “evil” or “unwanted” intentions that prompts one to commit overts in a certain area. It perfectly aligns with the Expanded DNs data on psychosis , and how an evil intention is the root of it. It also aligns with the Ls , specially L-10 , even though that L-10’s approach to it is quite different as it uses L&N Qs to locate the evil purps. But the Ls and Exp DNs were all developed during the same research period at the apollo ; a research into insanity/psychosis. That research was allegedly “lost” , and the methods of handling evil purps were “forgotten”. LRH then “resurrected” it all , allegedly.
But the FPRD is based on basic DNs data , and it seems as a logical adaptation of DNs to the subject of evil purps. O/Ws prompted by an evil purp underlying them ; a prior confusion before that evil purp (the evil purp is the “stable datum” adopted to handle the confusion) ; and the first moment of the first confusion to “blow” that evil purp. I don’t see how that doesn’t align with LRH’s views ; it PERFECTLY match. Besides , it even sounds sensible to me.
I can’t honestly brush off all the testimonials of the great changes in fixed non-survival behaviors that this RD have brought about in others. To be honest , I never got it , but many friends did , and the changes were very evident. Using it for “Justice” purposes, however, degenerates into dramatizations of evil purposes from the ones administering it. The FPRD should only be relegated to a minister tool in priest-penitent willing confessions , w/out the use of the standard FPRD forms as to me, many of those Qs are an imposition of a moral code. It just doesn’t work that way. The list of possible O/Ws should come directly from the PC, as only that list would match his reality level that translates into real changes in viewpoint.
I prefer L-10 style of handling evil purps where an evil purp is located through a L&N question, then another L&N done to locate who/what would have such an intention, then running O/Ws on the terminal thus found. It has worked fine for me. Solo(ing) the FPRD is a bitch ; I totally bog on it. May be I have unhandled “druggie BTs” . :-)))
There is just too many HCOBs from the ’80-’84 period to dismiss them as non-LRH. We have things like a few key C/S series like “Mixing RDs and Repairs” , R&W HCOB, Rehab Tech , The Scn DRD , The New Grade Chart switch , more data on PTSness , “Full Assists Checklist” , etc, etc, etc. Thinking that some are LRH’s and some not, and from the same time period , is just too out-pointy. That “Conspiracy Theory” is not supported by verifiable data , but on the contrary, everything points out that all is, in fact, LRH’s. One might not like the changes , but that is an entirely different issue , isn’t it ?
Take care, my friend.
ML,
Peter
Thank you, Peter, for taking the time to write. The holidays are a horrible time of loss for me. Your words speak truth and inspire me to keep the faith.
McCarren, please do keep the faith. I just know you will be reunited in the future, I believe it in my heart… please hold on to hope and send love to your kids… I believe they will feel it and I believe they love you too, although not allowed to say it, it’s not their fault they are imprisoned in a corrupt belief system. Your family back together – we all here want that for you.
Love, T.J.
Your words inspire me McCarren.
Nothing seems too bad so as to cause my chest to cave in or make my heart stop beating
you know, because
one thing i know is you can take a mountain of pain and put it a girls beautiful beautiful heart
cold as the stupid world can be
and that girl can turn around and face me
and be just so warm
to me a guy a stranger a fairly lucky guy who just gets down now and again
but that warmth does make it right for me
and part of it is how simple it is, like a smile
and im ok, all those complications just melt down into the manageable.
Love and gratitude, thanks McCarren, you make it easy for me.
ps i don’t have a post script i just wasn’t quite ready to go yet.
You are most welcome, dear McCarran ; I am happy that it helped you. Please, hold on to that FAITH, and never, ever let go of it. This nightmare will be over soon ; I am very positive it will. My blessings to you and your family. I’ll have you all in my prayers.
Love,
Peter
To Peter Torres / thetaclear:
Merry Christmas to you and Peace.
Love,
Hennessy
Same to you, dear Hennessy !!!
Love,
Peter
Peter thank you for the inspiring post. Yes, it is the faith I’ve always had that has gotten me mostly through this tunnel out of the darkness of someones elses that I was sharing. I’ve left behind the husband of my dreams and two children and the 40 years of friends but I will hold the same stance they do. If I stay rock solid on my decisions perhaps they will join me or maybe not for a while. They all believe I have given up my eternity and they depart to keep the eternity there for ME. But I know my world is real and theirs is full of holes. I pray that someday all the persons that have been conned into believing in that false eternity will at some point or another all see and feel what is happening. Actually all I pray for is that they do not lose their faith and make it through without too much damage with time left over to enjoy this rather beautiful and wonderful world we have 🙂
You are most welcome, dear Cece ; I am sorry for your loss. Keep that positive attitude and your faith, and I am sure everything would work out all right sooner than later. I’ll pray for the welfare of your family. Much success to you.
Peter
Hey Mike and family…readers ans commenters…Happy Holidays…I do not comment much but wanted to say I read this blog regularly along with Underground Bunker..always happy to hear about another mishap for church of crapology…and wanted to also wish bad luck to “let him die ” Miscavige and Scientology in general…let this awful abusive evil cult die this year.
I’m here in a similar boat, Ms Falconer. Although I’m usually reluctant to wish ill will, Pompous Maximus (thx for the new name, Mike!) deserves what’s coming and then some.
Peace, Love, and Happiness to all the brothers and sisters out there fighting the Good Fight. Together we can Clear the planet of Scientology ;P and get the friends and families back home/together/etc in 2016!
Fabulous RB.. and to the great Rinder community..May 2016 continue to see the decline of Scientology. The truth is getting out. Thank God..It has been a hell of a year.. I lurk daily and see what a tight bunch of SPs you all are.
It’s a wonderful time to be a Wog!
Perfect post and comments. Thanks guys for making this year brighter and helping me see around the corners. I do hope that with all our wishes and exposures David Miscavige is taking it a bit easier on our former fellow team members. This can’t possibly go on much longer…..
Wishing a happy mid-winter holiday to you Mike and your family and extended family that posts here. Best wishes for 1916 – I hope your disconnected family finally sees the light next year.
In the northern hemisphere the days are staring to lengthen again and long before Chistmas was thought it was up celebrated by our predecessors. I wish a happy turning on of the light to all Scientologiststo get out of this destructive cult. Each year I hope that LRon’s phoney church gets found out for what it is and that is starting to happen. And in the new Chinese Year of the monkey may Mike and all who read here remain a heavy monkey on the great misleader’s back.
Merry Christmas to all, and thank you for writing, posting, reading or whatever activity you do to support this community.
May the new year bring peace, prosperity, freedom, happiness safety, security, great health and love to all.
-BB
YesterMe YesterYou, Yesterday
What happened to the world we knew
when we were dreaming/scheming while the time away
yesterme yesteryou yesterday
Where did it go
(where did it go?)
that yester glow
when we could feel the wheel of life turning our way?
i had dream so did you
life was warm
and love was true to kids that followed every groove and all the rules
Now it seems these yester dreams were just a cruel n foolish game we used to play
me, you, yesterday.
[thank god for Stevie Wonder helping me through that one. MERRY DAY -mm]
Thanks to Mike for providing this forum, and to regraded being for the interesting comix.
Here is a holiday song about David Miscavige; use the tune for Rudolph the red nosed reindeer
Davey, the midget tyrant
Had an ugly pompadour
And he was purest evil, in the gah-lax-ee
Then one dreary christmas day,
while beating sea org slaves,
Davey with your pomp so fright,
Steal more money! That’s your right!
Then all the regges loved him
as they grabbed the money
Davey the greedy tyrant,
biggest evil in history
That was awesome “visitor” and WELCOME to a little slice of Sanity!! Mike’s blog!! Awesome work RB!!
Thank you to all the ex’s who had the good sense, and heart, to get out and to care enough to speak out. Mike, and RB, keep on trucking – thanks you and may you have a happy and bountiful 2016.
DM, Let Him Die Miscavige, may you get exactly what you deserve in the coming year.
Funniest EVER, RB! Still chuckling. Thank you so much for what you do for us. Happy Holidays to you and your loved ones.
Merry Christmas, Mike and family! There’s always much to say to you, but whatever it is, the essence is always “Thank you”.
RB and Mike – Happy everything to both of you too…. and may your ink never run dry.
RB, it pretty much gives the reason why I started getting out. I just became fed up. The service was shocking – when there WAS someone to service me. Usually there wasn’t an auditor which I found out only after I’d bought the auditing. When I finally was set up for the auditing, I was constantly having to find out what time my session was because no one ever let me know!
My life wasn’t better because of $cn, it was worse. (It got better after I left! And I got happy after I left. I was never happy while I was doing $cn. It took me a while to realise this and it was only after I’d left and found I was continually happy that I got to think about it!).
The events were getting me down. The staff and I didn’t gel (and I didn’t buy it that I had overts on them), some of the public were distinctly hostile and unfriendly for no rhyme or reason that I could work out. After some seminar or other, I left and asked myself what I was doing there in the first place. I’d started my day being happy but after the seminar that had changed and I had the mutters.
It was a natural conclusion for me not to go back, like the last straw on the camel’s back. Greatest piece of straw there ever was.
Dawn, very happy you are out, and speaking out. Peace to you and wishing you all good things in the upcoming New Year 2016. – T.J.
I’m a never-in who has several best friends whose lives were ruined by Scientology — after giving everything they had for 30+ years, they’re out, broke, unemployable, and being harassed by the assholes they thought would lift them to freedom. Just want to say, Mike, that I think what you’re doing here is irreplaceable and that Regraded Being is essential reading. How I wish he’d do a book. Or take the concept to the guys who do “South Park” for a special show. And, oh, yeah, death by malignant hemorrhoids to that overweening little shit David Miscarriage.
Excellent post!
Timothy there is an HCOB (and Policy Letter) titled “Misrepresentation of Dianetics and Scientology” which was obviously written by Hubbard with foresight for the Church that Miscavige has created.
” Timothy there is an HCOB (and Policy Letter) titled “Misrepresentation of Dianetics and Scientology” which was obviously written by Hubbard with foresight for the Church that Miscavige has created.”
No, dear Foolpoof ; he created it to protect his absurd monopoly , and create riches. Only a fool wouldn’t be able to see that.
TC
“oh, yeah, death by malignant hemorrhoids to that overweening little shit David Miscarriage.”
Timothy.. I love your sentiment, but there is only one problem…David Miscarriage doesn’t have hemorrhoids because he is a PERFECT ASSHOLE.
you just insulted my hemorrhoids
Hey, mark!!! My hemorrhoids can beat up your sissy hemorrhoids! With one rhoid tied behind their backs! So there!
Please accept my humble apologies you guys.. Didn’t mean to enturbulate your uh bottoms.
hey you’re ok, pretty baby bunker man
you da man
me and the dude know each other
thanks for taking part, thanks for being.
When truth breaks through,
when secrets are revealed
the bubble breaks
and the world becomes a better place.
All days free are a holy gift,
and thanks to you for bringing along some added light.
I got some boxing gloves for x-more.
Watch out Surfer Dude. Your bottom is on target. This is gonna be fun.
Oh Marco Polo.. You funny.. Can I be the Woman in your comment too? Cause I am..haha..
* Curtsies..* Thank you very much! And yep Truth is breaking quickly.. Yay..
Woe-wo-woman?
the bubble breaks again
if only i had learned social skills in there
nice, i luv curtsies
things just keep getting better and i need to keep up
how do feel about, you know, sissy-es?-polo 🙂
baby bunker,
That “yay” is actually another jewel for me.
Merry me I am.
Truth is my first response to you was a play-fighting…thing, some playfully graphic word-play on ‘enterbulated’ and ‘behinds’. I crossed the line of the moderator’s taste. So, then I thought, oh, right, I don’t know baby bunker at all. I like him because he knows the right way to treat a dictator, maybe I could say the right thing myself, and so it changed, what I said, to a thanks for bringing light to the table.
Way better.
Deleted “my fatty-acid friend” sign-off, and met a girl in the process.
Now I owe Mike again.
I will square with you sir, mark my words.
The Universe is full of miracles, if you ask me.
Thanks for the jewel, Santa did not forget me. Let me give you – a poem.
As a gift, not a Christmas poem, just a short bit of poetry (no title), merry Christmas,
Mark (o man im getting stage fright, forget that!)
Master,
mixing in pure atmosphere on and on
the vented bowl allows to pass
anew
welcome sensation relief of pressure
the mind asking
how can this be…right?
Ask again.
Peace rushes in and a sort of joy
it is breaking free
Joy indeed is watching the creed
in flames.
From the other side, alongside my father
I’m making my momma proud
and for a moment late
happy.
“Truth is breaking quickly[free].”
– baby bunker
Merry Christmas Mike and best wishes for the best new year ever.
Ditto! 🙂
Happy Holiday Mike and family!
And have some great cheers RB and all you
happy commenters here.
It has been a great year so celebrations are in
order.
Right Lars, it has been a stellar year, with “Going Clear” documentary, Leah Remini’s book “Troublemaker”, Tony Ortega’s book tour for “Miss Lovely” to mention just a few, and fewer people afraid to speak out about the cult. My hope and wish for the New Year is that those who are in and unhappy but afraid, find the courage to leave, and that those disconnected from loved ones, especially parents from children, are reunited. What a wonderful thing that would be. – T.J.
…and Chris Shelton’s brand new, anticipated book, Scientology: A to Xenu, yay!
See? It IS working out. We ARE better, better at getting better. You just need a day like Christmas once in awhile, just to get a grip, see straight on the way things are…
I’m lovin’ it.
No reason left
to be sad, angry or even defiant. Every reason to be cool, continue cooly, love this feeling of contentment.
Reward, isn’t it, virtue arrives in your lap by virtue of intention pure and nothing else, there because it belongs there, the result of our, not just one but all of our collective intention, such is the nature of the Universe. This will be the best year yet. Love to ALL who speak, And I do not hesitate to include the Narco-s of the world. This place shines so brightly that even the snarky words put down here become part of the everlasting truth, like, instantaneously. I do live it so, love it so, making voices once muted for so long… heard! Hear Ye, Hear Ye, ring, ring, ring!!! Merry New Year! This has got to be fun, beautiful, I don’t care what planet you’re from. Cults are cults but of course I will rather be dancing in the wide open spaces of Truth and Knowledge, Evermore. Merry Day indeed.
Well I just celebrated my first Christmas without my son. He disconnected from us earlier this year and obviously hoped we would just disappear into the ether and allow him to continue his family connections (like Christmas) without his SP folks around. Sadly for him, like everything else in scn, that didn’t work out and the entire family was gathered without him (and me having to explain something about disconnection and shunning). None of us so much as have his telephone number any more.
Even more sadly for him, while doing his GAT2 delivery training he realised his deadbeat wife wasn’t going to make the grade to his expectations and so also divorced her this year and he no longer has a wife or child for Christmas either (or their family). Yep, another fine upstanding product of the Bridge smashing suppression wherever it appears. No doubt him and his fellow staff members are having a rip roaring snorter of a Christmas somewhere congratulating themselves on 47X expansion while they raise a toast among the two or three of the (rapidly shrinking) brave gathering.
Hi Dr Mac,
So sorry to hear about your son. But it sounds great that you will have a nice Xmas with your other family.
The same thing happened with my son this year. He also changed his phone number, so we cant contact him and he also moved. That must be a new tactic from the cult – forcing a phone number change.
Now that my wife and I are apparently declared (no official notice) the good news is that we will have Xmas with old declared, SP, family that we haven’t be able to spend time with in years as we were trying to fake allegiance to the cult, to allow our son to be able to stay connected. I hope to have a great Xmas with my family and although I do not like to have bad thoughts about my son, I do hope he gets sad and depressed spending his first Xmas EVER, without his parents and brothers. We’ll think about him, toast absent family and friends, but I’ll have a great day!
Merry Xmas to Mike and all of those who visit his site. I hope you all have a great day with family that love you.
all love to you and yours dr mac for love like truth conquers all
…come ye its still Christmas, man. You’re still celebrating (if i have anything to say a bow.
Tit.)
Let this be a lesson to you, a thing or two i’ve spent way too much of my life forgetting.
In reality, scientologists don’t even recognize Christmas as a holiday.
The Holy Day
does not even exist in there, another casualty of any such rigidly closed belief system, unbelievable as it is, they begrudgingly give a couple hours to have a hug with somebody or something, want to call it Christmas, fine, times up where is my whip? Me talk pretty now, on purpose, because this your Christmas card and im feeling all my love is yours anyway. Beauty is being able to say anything at all, we all know a thing or two, we all need. All of us. Its like that motto, the real one, that symbolizes both strength and knowing, No Man Left Behind. If one of us is chained none of us are free. Not Grateful Dead, that was from god, somewhere in the etchings of my beautiful beautiful dreams, then oft-forgotten lesson #Two:This is every day free, soldier, no more thinking necessary.-agent mm 🙂 what a day-personally i gotta run…
sorry for my crappy poetry, now i do need to get real.
All I was trying to say, wanting to say was,
“We’ll get him back. ”
I believe this church is nearly done. The kid is not lost, he just needs a rope and we’re the ones to isolate that little bug. We will do it. Then the inevitable end will arrive. If it has to be an Act of Congress then so be it,
and then,
“Everyday free is like Christmas.”
was all, but i kinda muffed it,
laughing because the church is such a joke and i am a miserable failure as a comedian.
Miracles left and right, almost everywhere
except the spaces occupied by the churches and missions of scientology.
Balance miracles and things like Christmas against… this church, the scammers?
All this church bears in terms of fruit is a measly bowl of stale party nuts, do eat up.
Not mankinds’ proudest singularity, creation of higher consciousness.
thank goodness you guys are around, that is all i have got to say. Not just anyone can tolerate me, ordinarily, not many can handle the lack of reason. We really are better. Thanks, i mean, love mark he is a freak after all,
as it is,
a very merry Christmas for us every one. every
single
one.
no freak is safe mark marco on the loose
Oh, man! i better start hiding my freakishness!
dr mac, so sorry to hear you have a family member still in. Hopefully he’ll awaken soon. All of us feel that way. Wishing you and your family a very blessed Christmas & New Years’! May 2016 be your best yet!
To all those whose family members have disconnected from them and who live in the USA:
Please, please contact your House representative and both of your Congresspersons and repeatedly beg them to question this satanic organization’s tax exempt status!!!!!!!
Edit: that should be both your Senators of course. Especially if they are on this committee that is much more powerful than most OT committees:
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/committees/SSFI/11
Senate Committee on Finance:
Subcommittee on Taxation and IRS Oversight
Chairman:
Sen. Michael Crapo [R-ID]
Ranking Member:
Sen. Robert “Bob” Casey [D-PA
Michael Crapo
Idaho
Robert “Bob” Casey Jr.
Pennsylvania
Orrin Hatch
Utah
Michael Bennet
Colorado
Benjamin Cardin
Maryland
Thomas Carper
Delaware
Daniel Coats
Indiana
John Cornyn
Texas
Michael Enzi
Wyoming
Dean Heller
Nevada
John “Johnny” Isakson
Georgia
Robert “Bob” Menéndez
New Jersey
Bill Nelson
Florida
Robert “Rob” Portman
Ohio
Pat Roberts
Kansas
Charles “Chuck” Schumer
New York
Tim Scott
South Carolina
John Thune
South Dakota
Patrick “Pat” Toomey
Pennsylvania
Mark Warner
Virginia
Ron Wyden
Oregon
Are you serious? You have a senator called Crapo??
…no, we do. WE have a Senator,
sitting in the seat of authority.
[and, for the record, I love Crapo.]
This list is a Christmas present for Narco,
– to complete his sacred list of loons and worthless people.
Thank you, venerable floofgoofer, for reminding us of such important concepts to this game we play, basic rules, such as boundaries between right and wrong, what is knowledge vs ignorance and deception, what is charity and charitable vs what is greed, what is morally and ethically correct vs what is a mad-mans’ method for obtaining wealth and power by extracting the resources, including minds and identity, from your unwitting children searching for guidance.
There is a difference between what is morally correct and what is legal.
It is up to us to make sure those lines are clearly marked.
It is up to us to make sure our lawmakers create the laws that draw those lines.
The Church of Scientology is an abomination to social justice.
The very least we must do is see to it that they pay the taxes on their un-godly profits and properties.
This is how we seal and shut the voices of people like Narco and the worm that leads him.
We speak. Now I shall write. Looks like I have a list of my own…
Don’t we all?-mm
Merry Christmas one and all. Thank you to everyone on this blog for being your wonderful selves ……. and willingness to be here.
Coop
And you too, Cooper. It was such a pleasure meeting you this year and seeing the new and beautiful life you have. See you again sometime in 2016 I hope.
Wishing you a very blessed Christmas, Coop! Thanks for all of your incredible posts! You’re an essential component here! May 2016 be your best year yet!
A very Merry Christmas to Mike and all you posters here! You guys make my life better!
Mike, I know you have two little ones. I wish I could have seen their faces this morning! With all the shit you’ve gone through with the cult, seeing their little faces must wash it all away, my friend! Living well is the best revenge, and Mike, with your wonderful wife and boys, you truly are living well. What a wonderful turnaround your life has taken! The only way this day could be better is if all of us posters showed up at your front door! Yeah, yeah, I know, it might be a tad crowded, and sure, you might run out of food quicker than you thought, yeah, and a few of us might have streaked, naked of course, in front of the cult buildings, and, oh yeah, someone may call the cops on us, and it might be a little tough finding sleeping spaces for everyone, and we might over stay our welcome, but, all in all it would be an EPIC, MONUMENTAL, GREATEST EVER, FANTASTIC, OTHER WORLDLY, UNBELIEVABLE day. The kind of day your two boys will never stop talking about.
So…Mike…all we need is your address.
I love the way you think OSD. ?
Agreed. OSD – you have the best posts and I love your peace of mind and great sense of humor. Have a great Xmas.
And I love you and your posts!
OK, must send love and best wishes for the upcoming New Year to Old Surfer Dude, whose posts make me laugh and give great insight into what goes on inside the cult, please keep your upbeat, heartwarming and cool posts coming, we all love you. – T.J.
Thanks, T.J. I appreciate the kind words! My posts are inspired by all the other posters, yourself included. What a group we have here!
i would LOVE to streak the big blue building, i would even handcuff my ankle to a lamppost in front of the entrance, wonderfully nude, hoping to see TV camera crews getting all excited to take my picture, crashing vans on the curb. Finally, some attention. I can imagine costumes like Guy Fawkes masks. I got a sign: NO POWER OVER ME SCIENTOLOGY, the S-word in red, block letters over a red circle and slash, me on stilts and wearing a crown three feel taller than my head that looks like a Bishop or Mayan headdress. And otherwise naked. I have to be naked. I will look forward to a little jail, for nostalgic reasons and a chance to meet the needs of others who otherwise never would have met me, and maybe i could cheer the place up for a couple days, i can make the best of it, maybe suffering has a holy purpose. I got other problems, like addicted to this blog. To quote Surfer Dude, you guys make my life better.
rich
My favorite Regraded Being ever, which is saying something. That “flyer” alone is everything. “Y’all Broke!” lolololol
And the cartoon panel .. just so sad and good.
Best holiday cheer and thanks to you RB (and also to Mike) – keep em coming!
MERRY CHRISTMAS, MIKE & FAMILY (ALL OF THEM!) … Thank you for your BRAVERY and making this blog. It’s made me brave, too! — BRAVERY AND THE TRUTH ARE CONTAGIOUS!!
Amen again.
yet again McCarran, Amen
A Very Merry. “non-Implanted” CHRISTmas to everyone here! May you all be blessed in the coming year as well…
And RB — Very well done and spot-on as usual! I look forward to next year filled with more insughts through your cartoons!
I never thought I’d be wishing “Merry Christmas” to someone named “Miscavige”, but here goes: MERRY CHRISTMAS, SHELLY! May you be free soon.
LMFAO!!! Now that’s some funny shit! Merry Christmas, James!
except for the sad part
if only Shelly’s jail cell had internet maybe she could see this
I would give it a shot
to be a friend to her.
You know what I am happy about?
Is that there is a guy out there who believes he is THE most intimidating person on Earth
and I don’t care. Not just any guy, The Leader of a movement I once was willing to give up everything for, my life. I am going to say what I want, when and where I want, fearlessly and proudly, and yes, just knowing that makes me something maybe even better than free, it makes me happy.
Now I just want to be heard. Merry Christmas All.
Prosperity and $cientology are the very definition of oxymoron. Thanks to RB and MR for keeping the truth and lutz flowing to the masses. Happy R6 implant day to all.
Once again, oxymoron is not, in fact, a stupid steer? I knew I should have paid more attention during vocabulary studies….
I use Oxymoron to clean my morons as white as they can be. Who doesn’t want a shiny moron for the Holidays?
And I am that shiny moron! Proud of it too!
Merry Christmas to Mike, to RB and to everyone (including OSA 🙂 )
You’re right, Jens. Tis the Season! We all should be charitable to one another. So, Merry Christmas to Mike, RB, and to everyone (including OSA, you fuckers!).
Whew! Well I certainly feel like I’m in the Holiday Spirit!
This is a day to share with family and friends in unity. That is also the Joy of the Birth of Life and the creation of Dreams and Futures. Happy Christmas Day to all.
Dear Mike,
Thank indeed for the whole year long updates, insights and witty comments on this blog.
My very best wishes for you, your family and all those who read and comment on this blog.
Happy Holidays for each of you.
Another year is closing down and a new one is close at hand. I think I can pretty accurately predict we all share a common goal for 2016. It involves the demise of the abuses perpetrated by the Cof$ and the quicker they cease the better. May we all be reunited with family and friends and get on with life without a certain tyrant of a dwarf strutting his stuff with other people’s money and dedication.
Happy Holidays – love that concept – Splurge on it!
Amen ?
Wishing you a very blessed Christmas & New Years’, I Yawn! This blog would not be what it is without your great posts! I sit at the feet of the master….
I send the reg (2) around immediately!
Last night I dreamed of the ocean and warmth, giraffes and seals. It was all so peaceful. I wanted to be there in my dream.
I woke up while it was still dark and liked across the snow to a shining oasis of Christmas lights at the house where little Sylvia lives with her adoptive parents and thought of the joy she has brought the neighborhood and my heart warmed.
A few minutes later my cell phone blew up with texts from my grandchildren because they were staring at their presents and their parents were still asleep. Grammy to the rescue! I slipped on some boots, jumped in the car and raced over to help roust those parents out of bed.
Yep, I’m right where I need to be.
Last year I talked about getting to spend time with all of both sides of my family. It’s happening again this year. One of the people I spent time with has died, another one was diagnosed with a very rare form of cancer in January and has spent most of the last year in the hospital, she just got to come home yesterday after her stem cell transplant.
If you don’t have money, it really doesn’t matter. The gift of ones time is the most precious gift you can give. Six months from now, my grandchildren will probably not remember the contents of the packages they unwrap later today when we get together for dinner, but they will remember giggling with Grammy as we went in to wake their parents on Christmas morning.
I hope everyone here gets the luxury of time with loved ones. Thanks Mike,for taking the time to have this blog.
Beautiful
Wishing you a very blessed Christmas, Valerie! Thanks for being here and your wonderful posts! May 2016 be your best year yet!
Awwww! That story about the grandkids is so precious. What a great Grandma you are. 🙂
that is so nice
Merry Christmas to the Rinder family. And to Mike, thanks for sharing your wit, your sanity, and your intelligence to make life a little brighter.
Merry Christmas mike. Glad your celebrating at home instead of the hole.
I wonder what Heber and the rest are doing in the Hole (which continues to not exist) today? Maybe Corn on the COB will give them 10 minutes to eat instead of just 5.
I think a new classic Christmas song was just written…….next year my family and i will be singing around the Christmas tree ‘If his time is nigh, let the old man die’
Merry Christmas and Happy holidays everyone!
A very Merry Christmas to you, Chee! Thanks for your great posts! May 2016 be your best year yet!
Thanks Dude! And the same best wishes to you!
2015 was pretty exciting when I discovered someone I ‘know’ knew Jan & Dean personally!
So, with the principle of Six Degrees of Separation, I am only 1 degree away!
Cheers!
Well, certainly with Dean, but, Jan died many years ago.
Merry Christmas RB and of course to Mike and his family!
A very Merry Christmas to you, Miss Tia! And may 2016 be your best year yet!
Happy Holidays. RB thanks for your wry, dead on humor. You cut to the heart of the matter. And may 2016 bring all the exs and potential exs the achievement of their dreams and aspirations. And thank you Mike for making the process of decompression and reprogramming fun and enlightening. Have a wonderful Xmas and happy new year.
The Mystery Prosperity Guest is from a list of usual
one time fat cats who are not too BROKE to attend the event.
FLUNK !!! the delightful special dinner is always reheated Lasanga,
hamburger is to expensive in Columbia.
Merry Christmas RB.
A very Merry Christmas to you, Jose! Thanks for your posts! You always make me laugh!
A very Merry Christmas to you OSD.
May every day in 2016 be like you are an OT 9 and OT 10 Completion
so when you walk into any Starbucks people get out of the way
like Moses parting the Red Sea , all your surfboards are waxed and ready
by simply making the thought.
Oh, heck, when I walk into a Starbucks after not taking a shower for a week, everybody gets out of my way. And I really don’t need to actually go into the Starbucks. I can stand 50 ft away and they’re pouring out of the Starbucks! One of my many super powers!
I wish everyone who visit this site the ability to think critically and to be able to spend time with the people they love.
Or love the people your spending time with.
So anyway, what is Christmas?
It is commonly held to be the celebration of a birth.
But there’s something more to Christmas and it is the idea that God would come to us as a person to speak to us as people. No priests as intermediaries or a light show miracle–just a conversation on a personal basis.
Some Christians don’t understand this.
Merry Christmas.
And God has, in my case, warned me of the evil danger of Scifi’s, and got me and my kids out of there. “I said, “C’mon, kids, we’re outta here!” … I only regret my kids watched some of their implant movies. That’s something they could have done without! But I thank the positive being in charge of this universe, especially for today and tomorrow … I’ve got 3 of my kids back!!!!” (Was disconnected for over 8 years from them cause of sci’gist!) … Perhaps, I’ll write a book on all the disclosures and devious games that nasty little dick had been doing to me, my family, and my, non-bio “twin!”
Yeah, baby! Now that’s what I call CHRISTMAS CHEER! Pat, I think I can speak for all the posters here when I say, WOO HOO!!!! Three of your kids have seen the light and are back! You must be on cloud nine right now! Congrats, Pat! And, PLEASE write that book!
A very Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Years’ to you!
Thank you Old Surfer Dude, I think I love you! LOL You make us laugh and you make us brave, too. I love reading your comments and everyone else’s posts, too — they really do help, each and everyone of them. I get stronger willed and more confident with all of them!
Oh, and I will think about writing that book because my family’s case is so, so unusual and rare. It’s not typical at all. And every bit of my soul, down to my toes, want to expose the whole ordeal. I just have to be very “delicate” on some matters, and I think you already know me — I’m far from delicate! (GO BROOKLYN CHICKS!)
Willing you, and your wife, and your whole family of friends and loved one to have a good one each and every year, OSD! 😉
Pat, I am completely behind your book idea. *evil grin*
If not a book, a good long post telling your story over at ESMB or a site of your choosing. Expose the sawed-off little runt.
Oh yeah, Nola! Sounds good to me. I have a page on here for years now, but am only now free and clear and ready and able to fight back! If I ever see that little “runt,” I’m gonna rip his fuggly face off with my teeth! (Bring the toothpicks! LOL) 😉
Darlin, I’m from New Orleans. I’ll bring toothpicks, food, booze, music….all of it. 😀
Know that as you continue to speak out you have love and support around you. I look forward to hearing more of what you have to say. Happy New Year Pat. Sending lots of love to you and your family. I do not have the words to express how happy I am that the shackles are off. I hope more people will be inspired by you to do the same. 🙂
Thank you so much, Nola! I do hope everyone gets the “courage” to speak out despite all the fear they have. I thank my kids for keeping me around. It was my love and over-protectiveness for them that kept me sane and just bide my time. I still have much work with one left, but I’m sure she’ll come through!
LUV YA’S ALL! Thank you all for the strength from all posts!
Great news you got 3 of your kids back! What a Xmas you must be having.
Thank you, WE are having a good one. We’ve had many little miracles of togetherness happening right in front of us!
MERRY CHRISTMAS, Clearlypissedoff! (I adore the name!) 😉
Now that is a Christmas present Pat!!! I can’t wait to read the story, not to mention finding out the juicy tidbits that His minions pulled on your kids. Maybe it will help me find the key to springing my two kids.
My daughter Haley got the truth rundown administered to her circa 2011-12 while she was in the CMO-IXU unit in downtown Hollywood. After that she went into the Jenny Linstrome / Dave Miscariage valance and decided to perform face rippings on her still in Mom. As it turns out, that was what it took for her Mom to see the light of truth and tell the cult to stick it.
Yo Dave,
Wishing you a very, very ugly new year good buddy! I know, it shouldn’t be a problem to achieve that!
I have lots of Christmas wishes this year. One of them is that you get your two kids back. Soonest.
Happy Christmas.
DITTO! … MIRACLES DO HAPPEN! — THE REAL MIRACLES! ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS OPEN OUR EYES AND “MOUTHS” AND “UNITE” IN THIS CAUSE, AND WE’LL BEAT THAT little dick TOGETHER!
Hey Newcomer, Thank you and Merry Christmas to you!
I’ll tell ya one quick tib-bit right now. They sought out my son, followed him and his friend around. Both boys were about 14, and buying all the parents Xmas gifts. This strange man walked up to my boy and handed him “Dianetics” and said give this to your mother — she’ll love it for Christmas!
That’s just an opening of a chapter. It’s not the true beginning; and the rest is so wild, it will seem like fantasy, when it really isn’t. No one could make this shit up! 😉
Merry Christmas RB! Another job well done.
Merry Christmas to everyone here and those still under the radar or still in. I hope to see more of you lurkers un-lurking and joining us crazy wogs out here. We will be waiting for you with love, humor and support.
And a very Merry Christmas to you, NOLAGirl! May 2016 be your best year yet! Love your post and love you too! Saints comin’ back in ’16! (we hope)
Mike, I think you’re the Pied Piper leading all us good wog rats to FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT! You’re my HERO! LOL 😉
Happy holidays and may you live in abundance and your wishes be fulfilled.
Well, seeing that we’re all out and staff are working today, I think we’ve just received, in abundance, Happy Holidays and our wishes have been fulfilled.
We’ve got a beautiful and blustery day here at the beach. Cold too!
Wishing everyone here a wonderful, beautiful Christmas & New Years’! I’m looking forward to trashing the cult in ’16. I mean, trashing the cult has become a cottage industry!
If I had just one wish
Only one demand
I hope he’s not like me
I hope he understands
That he can take this life
And hold it by the hand
And he can greet the world
With arms wide open…
With arms wide open
Under the sunlight
Welcome to this place
I’ll show you everything
With arms wide open
Now everything has changed
I’ll show you love
I’ll show you everything
With arms wide open.
-CREED
[HAPPY HOLY DAYS-mm]
Happy holidays and best wishes to all!
RB, Best wishes to you and your fabulous cartoon! I hope you’re having a very blessed day! What you bring to the table is just fantastic! A very Merry Christmas to you! It’s a magical day…
DITTO, DITTO AND DITTO! 😉
Merry Christmas Mike and family. Thank you again for all you do.