Cults are all about obsession , afraid of objectivity.
There are many like them on smaller scale selling OBE ( out of body experience),ESP ( extra sensory perception) but sooner then later evaporates in thin year, once getting exposed with the passage of time.
This business is going on since eons targeting guilt and guilty conscious public for Stockholm syndrome.
Universities and mental health sector took initiative against Cults as they test objectivity and end result.
If you want to see death on the face of Cult followers, mention the word University.
A Cult has life cycle of 50 years,as their modus operandi get exposed and lies exposed by 2nd generation of followers , it takes on average 50 years.
Right now they are going through Age of Paranoia followed by Age of Extinction, expected in 2025.
They have only one option left, change product line and go on isolation for next 50 years.
Harry Potter series has too much popular tech and can attract young generation, they should seriously think about it ,otherwise, they are left with poultry and dairy farming, which is also a good option.
LRH did slip at one point early on and start to believe his own lies – remember the incident when he showed off his first clear, who was supposed to have perfect recall? Who couldn’t remember what tie he was wearing?
After that he made sure to keep objective measures well away from anything he made up.
Remote viewing is mainstream these days as google lists courses and ‘experts’ on the subject— all wogs.
A old-time scientologist said, of the SRI/CIA/ Stargate project in the 70’s, that they failed because they intended to use an individual’s talents (and they had them) for covert and criminal purposes; Therefore, the individual ended up suppressing their talent and was messed up afterwards. I understand the Army got out of the project because the remote viewers could not ‘teach it to any/every Army private’.
I have routinely expanded my perceptions when intent on locating a tool, or one of my cats, with usual success. Finding the tool in the drawer below the one I thought it was in, or finding the cat in the closet of the bedroom rather than the bedroom, has become acceptable to me.
RB is right though: Scientology offers extraordinary abilities but zero ways to obtain the concurrent skills set.
True confessions… I was one of those culties who never went ‘exterior’ despite accumulating stacks of auditing folders attempting to get some sort of ‘case gain’. I usually felt good after an auditing session, but that mild euphoria only lasted a short time. I always figured others around me were the ones getting all of the touted benefits of scientology and if I hung in there long enough, I too would eventually “arrive”.
One of the things that finally got me out of the cult was realizing that there was no one gaining the abilities that the cult promised. This story sounds stupid, but here goes. I just finished all the academy levels and had made an agreement with a friend to do a co-audit of sorts. I was going to audit his wife thru grade IV and he would audit me on dianetics. I had been frustrated with dianetics for years because I could never find and run an ‘engram’. This was about the time when Hubbard dropped his meat sack and all the rage was to have your ‘pc folders’ sent to RTC to get your ‘case’ sorted out. I had a small wad of cash and wanted to do this before embarking on the co-audit. At the same time I found out about a medical procedure to correct nearsightedness (RK). I had worn coke bottle glasses since the fourth grade and was tired of it. My dilemma was whether to spend my money on surgery or auditing to correct the condition. I finally opened my nearsighted peepers enough to see that there were plenty of ‘clears’ and ‘OTs’ around me that were still wearing glasses even though their ‘dianetics case’ should have handled this. I decided to go with the surgery. I also decided I needed a break from all of the endless study I had been doing to complete level IV training. That was my last blow and I’ve never looked back. Decades later, my eyes are still doing fine as I approach geezerhood. And, spiritually, I’m doing better and better being out of the cult that promised spiritual freedom but was in fact just a con.
Even today with all of the cult’s break throughs, ‘tech’ refinements, IAS status levels and increasing square footage of empty ideal org space, there are still no ‘clears’ or ‘OTs’. I don’t believe there are engrams to find and erase, no past lives and no remote viewing exterior beings. If there were, these could easily be proven, tested and duplicated. I wish these things did exist but they don’t. The cult is a con, always has been, always will be.
Thank you for a powerful and inspiring description of your experience. I am so happy for you for taking your opportunity to ‘see the light’ and running with it.
I returned from the eye surgeon yesterday, eyes dilated, uncomfortable, unhappy that my rural living meant a 120 mile round trip to a respected eye clinic, but happy that my worsening cataract problem should be corrected fully in two short out-patient surgeries. The fact that my SS insurance will pay for most of it is a nice bonus. Compared to wishful thinking, or relying on an abandoned 40s-era talk therapy to “cure” an easily identifiable physical malady, going ahead with real science is a no-brainer.
The best authorities on Hubbard, Jon Atack and Russell Miller, agree that Hubbard probably saw some Abreaction Therapy performed on WW II soldiers or sailors, as psyches of that era sought means to quickly return men to full duty after being sidelined by what we today would call PTSD.
Always quick to adopt a shortcut without genuine research, Hubbard chose his half-understood take on 40s Abreaction Therapy as his next great invention. The problem, though, was that Abreaction Therapy was already falling out of favor, even with the fairly naive psyches of the late 40s, mostly because the results were short lived and unpredictable, and patients often made up stories much different from their lived experience.
The “making up” of events was one reason that Abreaction Therapy fell out of favor among trained, licensed and responsible clinical psyches. They observed that it is unreliable in the extreme. It’s the original Forest Gump “box of chocolates” in which “you never know what you’re gonna get.”
Scientology’s eventual expensive Auditing grew out of Abreaction Therapy, and with such a shaky base, Scientology Auditing will never give its practitioners the long term results they desire and are promised (at least promised verbally.) It doesn’t matter if the Auditing is done with Standard Tech, or with some improved Independent Scientology – it just does not give lasting effects, exactly like the original 40s Abreaction Therapy did not give lasting effects.
To think that a talking “cure” for genuine physical ailments was going to happen, at a steep cost, to be sure, was pure Hubbard snake oil. His claim that one could talk their way to improved eyesight was just one of his most egregious snake oil promises.
The fact that Scientology Auditing has lasted so long even under changes in auditing style reflects more on the power of the earliest Training Routines to subvert budding Scilons common sense and individuality than any genuine lasting effects of an auditing session or sessions.
Ammo Alamo, congratulations on your upcoming cataract surgery – I think you’ll be pleased and amazed at the results. My husband had both eyes done two years ago and now he routinely forgets to wear his glasses – doesn’t need them! I’m due in a year or so and can’t wait. 👍
LRH’s physical nonsense is no match for scientific technology.
Hey I hope your eyesight gets better soon!
So, in a nutshell, are you going for blue light blocking lenses, or UV perception?
(You might be visited by the sock goblin, who secretely changes all your black socks against dark purple and dark blue ones.)
😀
If you don’t quite know what I’m getting at, look up color appearance after cataract surgery and the permeability of artificial lenses for blue and UV wavelengths versus the natural lens. Perhaps visit a flower shop sometime soon, and buzz around for a bit…
Ms. Haven, you have attested to OT47 and are awarded this certificate of completion comprehension. And you get to keep every penny you didn’t ‘donate’ to the CO$.
The only ‘exterior’ I think about is how my condo association has to take care of my roof and soffits. Well said madam, well said.
Reminds me of one (of the many) reasons I finally left Christianity at age 50. I realized nothing significantly real ever happened because of the “power of prayer”. Every church has a very long prayer list of people who have suffered with various illnesses for many months, years, or their entire life. But no matter how much prayer was offered on their behalf nothing ever happened. The only time anyone got better was through the power of modern medicine.
Of course if someone got over a common cold it was a “miracle of prayer”.
I have been very intrigued about SC since watching the Aftermath series. I was never a SC, but it has so many similarities to Christianity (and probably most other religions or cults).
Amazing how people can spend so much time/money in something that is just made up mythology, legend or science fiction. I am glad I finally left Christianity while I still had a few years left.
Aw, poor Greta. I wonder if she’ll hit the ground running at OTVIII when she finds a new body?
Life in the cult is like starring in a real-life Marvel movie, only with more sitting on the couch and less discretionary spending!
Cults are all about obsession , afraid of objectivity.
There are many like them on smaller scale selling OBE ( out of body experience),ESP ( extra sensory perception) but sooner then later evaporates in thin year, once getting exposed with the passage of time.
This business is going on since eons targeting guilt and guilty conscious public for Stockholm syndrome.
Universities and mental health sector took initiative against Cults as they test objectivity and end result.
If you want to see death on the face of Cult followers, mention the word University.
A Cult has life cycle of 50 years,as their modus operandi get exposed and lies exposed by 2nd generation of followers , it takes on average 50 years.
Right now they are going through Age of Paranoia followed by Age of Extinction, expected in 2025.
They have only one option left, change product line and go on isolation for next 50 years.
Harry Potter series has too much popular tech and can attract young generation, they should seriously think about it ,otherwise, they are left with poultry and dairy farming, which is also a good option.
LRH did slip at one point early on and start to believe his own lies – remember the incident when he showed off his first clear, who was supposed to have perfect recall? Who couldn’t remember what tie he was wearing?
After that he made sure to keep objective measures well away from anything he made up.
I remember this scene from the movie The Masters.
Excellent movie and superb cast .
The only “Exteriorization” I achieved was exteriorization from the grip of Scientology……..and I’ve never been better !
The corny truth of Scio’s conversations – good one RB!
Remote viewing is mainstream these days as google lists courses and ‘experts’ on the subject— all wogs.
A old-time scientologist said, of the SRI/CIA/ Stargate project in the 70’s, that they failed because they intended to use an individual’s talents (and they had them) for covert and criminal purposes; Therefore, the individual ended up suppressing their talent and was messed up afterwards. I understand the Army got out of the project because the remote viewers could not ‘teach it to any/every Army private’.
I have routinely expanded my perceptions when intent on locating a tool, or one of my cats, with usual success. Finding the tool in the drawer below the one I thought it was in, or finding the cat in the closet of the bedroom rather than the bedroom, has become acceptable to me.
RB is right though: Scientology offers extraordinary abilities but zero ways to obtain the concurrent skills set.
O/T. Syncretism: The Nation of Islam practicing Ramadan Scientology Straightwire auditing
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Hi Mike
Could u please think about how to release kids from prison of belief.
This modern slavery needs to be end !
True confessions… I was one of those culties who never went ‘exterior’ despite accumulating stacks of auditing folders attempting to get some sort of ‘case gain’. I usually felt good after an auditing session, but that mild euphoria only lasted a short time. I always figured others around me were the ones getting all of the touted benefits of scientology and if I hung in there long enough, I too would eventually “arrive”.
One of the things that finally got me out of the cult was realizing that there was no one gaining the abilities that the cult promised. This story sounds stupid, but here goes. I just finished all the academy levels and had made an agreement with a friend to do a co-audit of sorts. I was going to audit his wife thru grade IV and he would audit me on dianetics. I had been frustrated with dianetics for years because I could never find and run an ‘engram’. This was about the time when Hubbard dropped his meat sack and all the rage was to have your ‘pc folders’ sent to RTC to get your ‘case’ sorted out. I had a small wad of cash and wanted to do this before embarking on the co-audit. At the same time I found out about a medical procedure to correct nearsightedness (RK). I had worn coke bottle glasses since the fourth grade and was tired of it. My dilemma was whether to spend my money on surgery or auditing to correct the condition. I finally opened my nearsighted peepers enough to see that there were plenty of ‘clears’ and ‘OTs’ around me that were still wearing glasses even though their ‘dianetics case’ should have handled this. I decided to go with the surgery. I also decided I needed a break from all of the endless study I had been doing to complete level IV training. That was my last blow and I’ve never looked back. Decades later, my eyes are still doing fine as I approach geezerhood. And, spiritually, I’m doing better and better being out of the cult that promised spiritual freedom but was in fact just a con.
Even today with all of the cult’s break throughs, ‘tech’ refinements, IAS status levels and increasing square footage of empty ideal org space, there are still no ‘clears’ or ‘OTs’. I don’t believe there are engrams to find and erase, no past lives and no remote viewing exterior beings. If there were, these could easily be proven, tested and duplicated. I wish these things did exist but they don’t. The cult is a con, always has been, always will be.
Thank you for a powerful and inspiring description of your experience. I am so happy for you for taking your opportunity to ‘see the light’ and running with it.
I returned from the eye surgeon yesterday, eyes dilated, uncomfortable, unhappy that my rural living meant a 120 mile round trip to a respected eye clinic, but happy that my worsening cataract problem should be corrected fully in two short out-patient surgeries. The fact that my SS insurance will pay for most of it is a nice bonus. Compared to wishful thinking, or relying on an abandoned 40s-era talk therapy to “cure” an easily identifiable physical malady, going ahead with real science is a no-brainer.
The best authorities on Hubbard, Jon Atack and Russell Miller, agree that Hubbard probably saw some Abreaction Therapy performed on WW II soldiers or sailors, as psyches of that era sought means to quickly return men to full duty after being sidelined by what we today would call PTSD.
Always quick to adopt a shortcut without genuine research, Hubbard chose his half-understood take on 40s Abreaction Therapy as his next great invention. The problem, though, was that Abreaction Therapy was already falling out of favor, even with the fairly naive psyches of the late 40s, mostly because the results were short lived and unpredictable, and patients often made up stories much different from their lived experience.
The “making up” of events was one reason that Abreaction Therapy fell out of favor among trained, licensed and responsible clinical psyches. They observed that it is unreliable in the extreme. It’s the original Forest Gump “box of chocolates” in which “you never know what you’re gonna get.”
Scientology’s eventual expensive Auditing grew out of Abreaction Therapy, and with such a shaky base, Scientology Auditing will never give its practitioners the long term results they desire and are promised (at least promised verbally.) It doesn’t matter if the Auditing is done with Standard Tech, or with some improved Independent Scientology – it just does not give lasting effects, exactly like the original 40s Abreaction Therapy did not give lasting effects.
To think that a talking “cure” for genuine physical ailments was going to happen, at a steep cost, to be sure, was pure Hubbard snake oil. His claim that one could talk their way to improved eyesight was just one of his most egregious snake oil promises.
The fact that Scientology Auditing has lasted so long even under changes in auditing style reflects more on the power of the earliest Training Routines to subvert budding Scilons common sense and individuality than any genuine lasting effects of an auditing session or sessions.
Ammo Alamo, congratulations on your upcoming cataract surgery – I think you’ll be pleased and amazed at the results. My husband had both eyes done two years ago and now he routinely forgets to wear his glasses – doesn’t need them! I’m due in a year or so and can’t wait. 👍
LRH’s physical nonsense is no match for scientific technology.
Hey I hope your eyesight gets better soon!
So, in a nutshell, are you going for blue light blocking lenses, or UV perception?
(You might be visited by the sock goblin, who secretely changes all your black socks against dark purple and dark blue ones.)
😀
If you don’t quite know what I’m getting at, look up color appearance after cataract surgery and the permeability of artificial lenses for blue and UV wavelengths versus the natural lens. Perhaps visit a flower shop sometime soon, and buzz around for a bit…
https://www.komar.org/faq/colorado-cataract-surgery-crystalens/ultra-violet-color-glow/
Ms. Haven, you have attested to OT47 and are awarded this certificate of
completioncomprehension. And you get to keep every penny you didn’t ‘donate’ to the CO$.The only ‘exterior’ I think about is how my condo association has to take care of my roof and soffits. Well said madam, well said.
Reminds me of one (of the many) reasons I finally left Christianity at age 50. I realized nothing significantly real ever happened because of the “power of prayer”. Every church has a very long prayer list of people who have suffered with various illnesses for many months, years, or their entire life. But no matter how much prayer was offered on their behalf nothing ever happened. The only time anyone got better was through the power of modern medicine.
Of course if someone got over a common cold it was a “miracle of prayer”.
I have been very intrigued about SC since watching the Aftermath series. I was never a SC, but it has so many similarities to Christianity (and probably most other religions or cults).
Amazing how people can spend so much time/money in something that is just made up mythology, legend or science fiction. I am glad I finally left Christianity while I still had a few years left.