Regraded Being, great strip as always. This one really makes me thoughtful (as they often do). Keep up the good work, we look forward to Fridays because of you. – T.J.
A little off topic, but here Ron talks about how great the GO is and how Scientology PR has never been better, yada, yada. If you can stomach it, take a listen – also notice the people in the photos.
The twisted idea you aren’t a dedicated scientologist if you haven’t disconnected from somebody resembles the notion in some impoverished circles you aren’t a man until unless you’ve done a stretch in prison.
Ignoring for the moment these two guys are engaged in the felonious crime of speaking candidly about thoughts, feelings and observations, a crime for which they could both be punished should a reversal of fortune require a mentally invasive ethics handling. We learn there are things within the system that don’t make sense to them.
We know those things don’t make sense because those things are wrong and can’t be justified through rational thought. This is a hopeful sign because ‘things not making sense’ is the springboard of an intrinsic rational response called, “inquiry”. Inquiry is the means by which our species has dissolved ignorance throughout the ages. Through inquiry we arrive at rational thought.
‘Things not making sense’ is the crack in the wall that can’t be stopped.
And in the past, before Elron and his successor sociopath I/C instituted metered sec checking as an effective means of criminalizing thought, that natural course of “outpoint to inquiry to wider questioning to disillusionment to exit” could proceed at its own pace. But after it, when True Believer $cilons have learned to police their own thoughts – lest they’re discovered during sec checking and treated as if they were actions – $cn has taken mind control to a whole other level of insidious evil.
And when you’ve also convinced folks within the cult to create and maintain a snitch culture, in which ratting out the ‘rents for privately expressed questioning thoughts is deemed a social good (just like in North Korea!), then utter conformity of word, action AND thought is both required and enforced and you’ve created a truly sophisticated authoritarian, mind control organization!
I recall the stories about kids in the Soviet Union being encouraged to rat their parents out for making counter-revolutionary comments. At least then you could stay out of trouble if you kept your mouth shut but scientology has made the Orwellian “thought crime” enforceable through the emeter.
As a result the thinker of the thought will try to suppress his own thoughts! Yes, this does herald in a new age, a GOLDEN AGE of indoctrination slash mind-control. It is made possible through the instilling of a great fear: the ‘dwindling spiral’ which is the killer of one’s “eternity”. The DS is the default eternity of helplessness and hopelessness awaiting us all. It is our destiny without the intervention of scientology. It’s the classic hell concept described in Dante’s Inferno as “Ye who enter abandon all hope”.
There is the believe, an unexamined one, that scientology does stuff that no other methodology can do. It gets rid of “mental mass” and the belief in that mental mass is cemented by a specific interpretation of one’s experience in metered interview therapy. There is a decidedly pleasant sensation acquired by doing what is believed to be ‘pulling hidden memories out of a hidden mind and putting them in the UNhidden mind where they belong’. That’s the interpretation of the experience. The “pulling out” of the thought is pleasant in a similar way pulling a booger out of the nose is pleasant. Or having a bowel movement.
In truth, all these pleasant experiences are not cumulative. Over the LONG haul, they don’t render a person superior to their non-scientology counterparts. Indeed, long term scientologists appear to be afflicted with baggage that isn’t attractive. That’s another puzzlement that initiates inquiry.
Oh boy… how do you make a comment to that and not have your whole life with Scientology splattered between your ears?
To this day I can easily seethe with anger recalling the hurt disconnection causes and the sheer inhumanity of it. It’s personal to me and my family. From one large loving family & friends to a bunch of individuals scattered across the planet who don’t talk to each other much anymore except maybe like you’ll communicate to a neighbor down the street about a barking dog. Half of ’em are disconnected from each other and the other half walk on eggshells at the mere mention of Scientology.
Disconnection is now totally out of control within the Cof$. My only understanding of its practice is that it’s the last and only effect the rank structure of Scientology has left. It is all they are permitted to do by management if there’s a personnel problem that does not resolve immediately. It’s their only tool left to handle discontent. The RPF from my perspective is simply a form of internal disconnection. Fear is the only thing that holds their ranks together.
The sooner the Cof$ is gone the better
Wow! You floored me with this one, as I had the ‘wonderful opportunity’ to disconnect from a family member. I still carry the emotional scars to this day. What a lovely organization this is.
I’d like to indicate you were simply booted off course for reasons best known to God or registrars! What do you mean, you don’t agree? I got a meter read. MAA!!!
Dichotomy, thy name is $cientology. Yes, disconnection is just another mind control method used to keep the slaves obedient.
Still, while Clam mind control is insidious, North Korea still has them beat. In N Korea, if you mess up, you, your siblings, parents and grandparents all go to the same prison camp. $cienos only send the ‘guilty one’ to their labor camp.
RB has missed one thing about the Clampire, you can be sent to the RPF or punished by any superior officer just for being alive. ‘They’ can’t instill fear without having victims. And as Lron taught us, everyone is a potential victim.
It’s one reason I thought that a transition phase of official Scientology thinking and practice ought to backpeddle and become more “reasonable” and soften way the heck up.
Even Problems Of Work has the handling, supposedly the softer handling, of using good weather/fair roads, talking and agreeing with “SP”ish parents. The good-roads/fair-weather handling is a lost art, lost piece of tech in official Scientology-land. In Problems of Work a far far more set of “suppressive” family parents/members are NOT disconnected from, but are given a chaperoned good-roads/fair-weather handling so the young Scientology daughter ends up smoothing out her family relations so she reunites with her parents.
Lost tech, good-roads/fair-weather PTS handling is lost tech. Not something Senior C/S Int office, which has direct LRH orders to search out and find and put back into the lineup, the lost tech that the Senior C/S Int Office is supposed to be prowling for.
It’s a major decline of the top management of Scientology, that Miscavige can’t allow Senior C/S Int Office, which probably just doesn’t exist anymore, to even prowl for and find and reimplement “lost tech.”
But the good-roads/fair-weather handling was rebolstered in LRH’s 1978-79 PTS/SP series issues that mention this point about over-zealous PTS A handlings that make things worse. I’m an atheist, but I resolved a PTS situation with my twin when I was on the Key to Life Course, by doing the 1978-1979 PTS issues, “by the book”, doing the light handed good-roads/fair-weather handling and things which were so bad for my then twin, that OSA washed their hands of “helping” her resolve her PTS situation. I helped my twin resolve it with good-roads/fair-weather.
Today It’s painful to see Scientology grow into this sour vile cult worse than anytime in its history.
The splinter group freezone Scientologists (who are all declared SPs in official Scientology’s eyes, but in the outside world even the tame academics’ eyes the freezone Scientologists are still Scientologists in the broader outside world’s understanding of what a Scientologist is) the freezone splinter Scientologists and their history of application of Scientology/Hubbard principles and practices would be the pilot group of Scientologists in the world showing years of evidence that it’s unnecessary to engage in so much disconnection and family ripping apart.
These problems that official Scientology perpetrates just go around in circles from bad to inciting themselves to go more bad. Official Scientology can’t let itself lighten up like the freezone Scientologists seem to have done.
Does anyone know what’s happened to “top management” and if WDC and Exec Strata and Senior C/S Int Office are even on the job anymore?
Good-roads/fair-weather PTS handling is a lost tech, that’s just a major piece of lost tech in even Hubbard’s final years of management theory he left the movement leaders, which none of the movement top people have any brains left to utilize to get themselves out of their hated family ripping apart era.
Yes Chuck, I hardly ever came across a case of actual disconnection (families etc.) being implemented or even mooted at, at my Org, which was quite a big Org, and I was on the lines that would have known about it as well. This was over 30 years ago now however. And as you say, the good roads good weather tech has been seemingly lost as well. It is quite easy to get people back in comm again. (As a complete aside) one thing that I never used though in handling people was that awful cassette “Can we ever be friends”, which was the biggest crock of shit I ever came across in Scientology. It was seemingly designed for the lower IQ bible belt people and their families who might believe anything they are told in a stentorian voice.
The only thing is the background to the reasons why some outside people (I won’t say “wogs” as that will attract the usual suspects to my comment) are against Scientology is now somewhat justified by the deplorable behavior of and instilled attitudes of so-called “management” who coach their staff to be “unreasonable” when such is a total overkill, especially in this day and age of the Internet. Add to that the rip-off aspects of IAS and Idle Org “donations”, and harsh ethics in Orgs and again the background and reasons for people being unhappy with Scientology have increased exponentially.
And yes, in the Freezone or independent field, I have heard of no case of disconnection being implemented at all.
Very often with the people I handled it was them that were causing the problem as well, usually in some way being over-zealous like telling their parents or friends that they had whole track overts or something (I actually don’t recall this happening specifically, but you get my drift), so this sort of thing did happen in my day but it wasn’t an “institutional” thing organized by Church attitudes, but a personal zealousness.
Chuck, “good roads and good weather” handling cannot be used when a person is connected to a declared SP. Reread the R references. It is used when dealing with a person who has some antagonism towards the subject of scamology. NEVER for a Declared SP. If connected to a declared SP one has tao handle the SP (to do A-E) or disconnect. If you saw it done otherwise, it was itself a suppressive act per KSW.
Whoa! That was a really cutting RB posting.
Honestly it exposes the total insanity of Scientology. I noticed A&E has ads on google when you search for Mikes sight. Way to go A&E.
Leah and Mike are going to bring down the toxic organization known as Scientology.
I hope this gets those still in who are under the radar off the fence.
“The difference between what I really think and what I’m suppose to think” Right on RB!
I really think that DLHDM is a SP> I’m suppose to think he is the Pope of Scientology. HA HA HA HA HA HA.
Leah thinks that Davey is an SP she is suppose to think she is a SP for attaching him. HA HA HA HA HA HA
Davey you are the leader of a suppose religion so therefore you are a suppose leader. HA HA HA HA HA HA
Very funny RB!
Wonderful RB! Thanks for your report about conditions inside the wall of fire.
Next Tuesday should be another bunker buster delivered to our favorite cult!
I realized that it was a mere four years ago today that I pulled the pin on my involvement with ‘anyone connected with $cientology’. But of most importance at the time was the realization that after three years of trying to enlighten those closest to me about ‘human rights abuses, it was to no avail.
All of my family members on my wife’s side, kids, nephews, in laws, the whole lot, had a nice Thanksgiving dinner across the street in 2012. But of course, I was not invited.
I had helped my in laws get back on there feet after they left the See Orge in 2006 and they had built a new home next door on a lot my wife and I owned.
The Thanksgiving scene was pretty tough knowing that my daughter (who was in the See Ogre posted as Dir I&R, CMO-IXU) was just across the street and I had not seen her in a good amount of time) but then on Friday evening my wife told me she was going over to her sisters again for ‘pizza and a movie’. That was the moment for me. I could not continue to live in a world with so much caring ( to say nothing about trying to salvage it) ……. I needed a break!
A couple months later the money managers in LA managed to crank out a declare and showed it to my wife.
On Feb 22nd (which is my birthday) I was informed that my wife would be moving out and by the end of the next day ……………….. she and her things were gone. I sometimes wonder that if, among other things, the cult doesn’t plan these warm and fuzzie events for maximum impact???
Yo Dave,
Thanks for all you do good buddy. Yes, it has been tough but you have really taught me a lot. I never would have believed that $cientology was truly a cult which taught members to hypnotize themselves into doing the most hideous things to people they love. I have observed it for myself and it is true.
I can’t tell you how much this final process of yours has helped me. I have truly found eternal freedom and happiness ……….. I thank you for that. I suggest you consider it for your Ohhh Tea Niner and beyond.
Keep doing what you do best Dave and hopefully the rest of your seething den of planetary salvagers will set themselves free.
Wow Newcomer. That’s a tough story, I wish I didn’t understand it but I do. Best of luck to and I truly hope by next Thanksgiving, you’ll have a whole better story you can tell with some mended bits and reunited with a saner version of your family. The Scientology bubble just has to burst – it truly has to!
Thanks I Yawn. Fortunately what you have wished for me has already happened and I am grateful for that and all of the new friends and good life that I have.
And the door will always be open if the kids decide they want to find out for themselves.
“I had helped my in laws get back on there feet after they left the See Orge in 2006 and they had built a new home next door on a lot my wife and I owned.”
Letting no good deed remain unpunished seems to be all True Believers $cilons true and deepest, but never admitted, motivation, doesn’t it?
So sorry that your wife, kids and relatives abandoned family for a cold, cruel and criminal cult that’s never going to do a thing for them if it’s not to the cult’s financial advantage.
Yes, this is the other side of the coin (of my post in reply to Chuck above). I suppose if I had relatives in the Church then I would have been disconnected from in the 80s when I realized the Church had been taken over by a lunatic who has been covertly (?) driving it down the road to oblivion ever since, and I wasn’t comfortable supporting it anymore. But fortunately such was not the case with me that I had family in the Church. What does one do when one sees quite plainly the depredations that Church management has been inflicting on its own staff and parishioners and is getting worse from year to year and decade to decade (AFAIK)? It must be very tough for you Newcomer. The only comfort you may take in such a situation is that you have kept true to your own integrity. Good luck to you.
My ex-wife apparently has disconnected from me although she has not told me or sent me a disconnection letter. We were still good friends last time I saw her. I saw her a year ago and she said she was going on a job and would be gone 5 weeks. I’ve called her over a hundred times, left messages, etc. Last week I went back to where we lived (She rents the place out now) and the tenants said that she was there 3 weeks ago.
The part about not being a dedicated Scientologist unless you have disconnected from someone struck a nerve. When I was in the SO there my thoughts were more like you were not deadicated unless you had died for the organization. Now no-one I worked for in the SO will claim that that I was not dedicated but I think they would rather that I was just DEAD.
Abysmal trend. Official Scientology really isn’t using their ARCU tech, nor their good-roads/fair-weather “tech” in their PTS handling history.
I’m atheist today, and lament the softer moderate “tech” of Scientology isn’t their strategic trend.
I guess the consensus hindsight view of ex official Scientologists (those kicked out or who’ve left) is a hope that the whole official Scientology meets a catatrophic collapse.
That’s seemed always unlikely. They have long range viability due to their real estate and wealth footprint which is larger than ever in their history, even though they have empty buildings, it’s a footprint that continues to be paid for with money flows that haven’t been disrupted really. (If they start really losing money, then maybe they’ll lighten up on their disconnection.)
Even as an ex member atheist today I think that contrary to the consensus view of hope that the movement collapses, that instead it’s just long range dismal bad painful heartbreaking family ripping apart until new leadership gets to the top of the movement. Miscavige is the only powerful decision maker, so he simply is the biggest problem to Scientology’s horrible image of disconnection.
New leaders, way into the future, if they follow the Hubbard rulebook, they’ll search out, and quickly find their old Senior C/S Int Office strategic orders to prowl for and they’ll quickly find the old “lost tech” of ARCU and “good-roads/fair-weather” and implement it. (For decades now, the freezone Scientology community of ex official Scientologists are the proven pilot evidence that the milder moderate PTS handlings work better.)
Dear Chuck, You are correct. Were you married to Ann Beatty ,who was D of P AO-1 FSO in the early 80s? I worked with her for 3 or 4 years. I have a few stories about her post. She was a very nice lady.
Hi Bill, Yes and I remember you too, FSO crew then. I was Asst OEC/FEBC Course Sup in the Flag Bu Exec College and I recall you in the FSO back then. chuckbeatty77@aol.com
I went on to be on the “routing forms” 4 year project, reading all of LRH’s administrative writings, I had full access, I skimmed thousands and thousands of pages of stuff he’d written, and later I was in INCOMM the computer branch, and then in ASI for 3 years, then RPF for almost 7 years before routing out. Ann last I heard was in the FSC Office network, remote regging for Flag services. Ann had been FBO Flag (FSO), then CS-3, and held SOR Chief, then RPFed, then NOTS DofP as you noted, then Flag Command Bu, then GIEI for a tiny stretch, then FSC Network last I knew.
Boy that’s hard to take, just walking out of someone’s life and not picking up the phone and lying about why you left. So sorry for this loss, Bill. But she is off policy of the church because she didn’t tell you she was disconnecting and why. The spin the MAA put on it to my kids when they disconnected from me is that they are actually doing me a favor by disconnecting. That way you label the SP and by labeling them, the person can then cognate where is really is and what he really is and thus move up the conditions, which is good for the person. The MAA continued by saying that until you label and use the stiff ethics gradient of disconnection, the person will never cognate and move out of their condition. And if they don’t move up the conditions and do their A to E Steps with the IJC, then it is their fault, not the kids or ex wife, or whoever disconnected from you, but is instead your own fault and your own doing. Amazing how they can do these horrendous things and never be responsible for their actions and instead say it is the other person’s fault. I’d like to ask them, “how’s that working for you?”
It’s probably not working out too good for them. I just realized that LRH said in Dianetics 55 ” A man is as dead as he cannot communicate. So I guess that they are just trying to finish the job. They will have to try harder as, last time I checked, I was still alive.
RB… you have the rare ability to shed light into the Dark Side with ease and simplicity… and the even rarer capacity to continue to create this product at infinitum… topped with the unyielding disposition to produce the quality vehicle to carry that light. VWD!
Why do people put up with that kind of torture? I was never in, so I don’t understand that someone would disconnect from his/hers family,loved ones..I just don’t get it! And I wonder what do one says when getting in contact with his/hers family after so many years! After 10-30 years appart,what do one says?
“Oh well…it’s the midgets fault!” Or ” I’m sorry!”
For True Believer $cilons, what’s at stake there, in their minds, it their “Eternity,” which means the one chance in millions of years to “get out of the trap” that Elron described and to achieve total spiritual freedom. Because $cn is believed the be the only way of achieving that ultimate spiritual freedom, then anyone who opposes it, or makes it hard for you to achieve it, is not only acting against your better interests in this lifetime, but acting against everyone on the planet’s best interests for all of eternity to come.
The shit really IS that deep! And because they’ve been conditioned to believe it unquestioningly, sometimes for decades, it’s gotta hold on them like you can not believe…a hold strong enough even to mke them abandon and shun their own family and friends. Unless you’ve been a part of or close to a high-demand group like $cn, or the fundamentalist Mormon Church, it’s hard for many never-ins to understand how such things could come to be, but the more important thing here is to understand simply that it DOES exist and it IS evil and it should be spoken out against at every opportunity!
Interesting take on the trap.
I found it quite remarkable the trap NOTs represents to the solid, unrelenting seriousness that pervades the Scientologist’s mindset. All that dedication,effort, money and familial/friends losses to attain the alleged top of that Bridge. Only to find it gives you the seeds of a new opposition which is so vast in number and so unable to respond with any sense of sanity it becomes quite easy to take the frustration out on the world at large (and hence withdraw from it). And so they do and buy responses like disconnection and Cof$ authority as a relief to a tech which they tried so hard to make work but it is designed to ‘fail you’ as a spiritual being imo. If there ever was any sense to, “what turns it on will turn it off,” it seriously reverses with NOTs. Like a number of things in the numerous technologies of the mind and spirit – emptor caveat! The smart ones left the Church pretty quickly, while many suffered on trying to recoup some sort of return on their investment and dug themselves in deeper and deeper.
If one can get benefit from Scientology, that one will know you can’t take it seriously. KSW1 turned out to be a fuck up of biblical proportions for Scientology itself but not for their bank accounts.
Trying to ‘unseriousness” it from someone’s mind parallels their PTS tech sort of. However, the damage done by the Cof$ to its once loyal adherents has guaranteed its demise.
“What turns it on will turn it off” is incorrect. The way to handle any person (and hence any item in Scientology) is by using this simple datum: “Who you piss off the most will turn them off and make them leave you the fuck alone.”
No shit. I think that the Captain Freewinds is who in Scientology I have pissed off the most. And that was mainly by staying alive after he told my wife; in his office that I was going to die and that nobody could do anything about it. Also my wife said that he was angry because my wife being held against her will ” Split his Executive Council, meaning that half of his ECONOMY said she should be released and the other half said she should remain captive. This was like inciting a mutiny to him.
Thanks for the replies,ladies & gents,it clarifies some aspects of the mindfuck (mindrape) needed to capture and keep people in. But I would really like to hear what one says to ones family,after years of disconnection. What do you say,justify your actions,after 25 years of diconnection? Especially to families who were never in cos? What,after 25 years,one drops in for moms sunday lunch,says”how you been lately?”
And you may find yourself
Living in a shotgun shack
And you may find yourself
In another part of the world
And you may find yourself
Behind the fence of a large, depressing compound
And you may find yourself in a horrible gulag
With a hijacked life
And you may ask yourself, well
How did I get here?
Letting the days go by, let my seniors hold me down
Letting the days go by, water flowing underground
Got the blues again, all my money’s gone
Wasting a lifetime, water flowing underground
And you may ask yourself
How do I work this?
And you may ask yourself
Where is that promised life?
And you may tell yourself
This is not what I signed up for!
And you may tell yourself
This is not my beautiful life!
Letting the days go by, let my seniors hold me down
Letting the days go by, water flowing underground
Got the blues again, all my money’s gone
Wasting a lifetime, water flowing underground
Same as it ever was
Same as it ever was
Same as it ever was
Same as it ever was
Same as it ever was
Same as it ever was
Same as it ever was
Same as it ever was
What an achingly painful and touching poem. I have never been in, but was in a small cult. The pain I felt after getting out led me to study cults, trying to understand their appeal. Why do followers never scrutinize their “prophets.?” Stupid question. No one joins thinking, “cool! I’m joining a cult based on the bizarre imaginings of a semi-sane pathological liar”. I’m so impressed by the strength I’ve seen in the escapees. Kudos. Hang in there. Love will heal you… it takes as long as it takes.
Regraded Being, great strip as always. This one really makes me thoughtful (as they often do). Keep up the good work, we look forward to Fridays because of you. – T.J.
More lives crushed by viciously insane Hubtard policies. At least there are less and less people under his criminal cult every day.
A little off topic, but here Ron talks about how great the GO is and how Scientology PR has never been better, yada, yada. If you can stomach it, take a listen – also notice the people in the photos.
https://youtu.be/g4yDU6MbkM8
“…all screwed up between what I really think and what I’m supposed to think.”
Wow. I got little chill down the spine on that one.
The twisted idea you aren’t a dedicated scientologist if you haven’t disconnected from somebody resembles the notion in some impoverished circles you aren’t a man until unless you’ve done a stretch in prison.
Ignoring for the moment these two guys are engaged in the felonious crime of speaking candidly about thoughts, feelings and observations, a crime for which they could both be punished should a reversal of fortune require a mentally invasive ethics handling. We learn there are things within the system that don’t make sense to them.
We know those things don’t make sense because those things are wrong and can’t be justified through rational thought. This is a hopeful sign because ‘things not making sense’ is the springboard of an intrinsic rational response called, “inquiry”. Inquiry is the means by which our species has dissolved ignorance throughout the ages. Through inquiry we arrive at rational thought.
‘Things not making sense’ is the crack in the wall that can’t be stopped.
To paraphrase Ron, “pull the string motherfucker.”
And in the past, before Elron and his successor sociopath I/C instituted metered sec checking as an effective means of criminalizing thought, that natural course of “outpoint to inquiry to wider questioning to disillusionment to exit” could proceed at its own pace. But after it, when True Believer $cilons have learned to police their own thoughts – lest they’re discovered during sec checking and treated as if they were actions – $cn has taken mind control to a whole other level of insidious evil.
And when you’ve also convinced folks within the cult to create and maintain a snitch culture, in which ratting out the ‘rents for privately expressed questioning thoughts is deemed a social good (just like in North Korea!), then utter conformity of word, action AND thought is both required and enforced and you’ve created a truly sophisticated authoritarian, mind control organization!
I recall the stories about kids in the Soviet Union being encouraged to rat their parents out for making counter-revolutionary comments. At least then you could stay out of trouble if you kept your mouth shut but scientology has made the Orwellian “thought crime” enforceable through the emeter.
As a result the thinker of the thought will try to suppress his own thoughts! Yes, this does herald in a new age, a GOLDEN AGE of indoctrination slash mind-control. It is made possible through the instilling of a great fear: the ‘dwindling spiral’ which is the killer of one’s “eternity”. The DS is the default eternity of helplessness and hopelessness awaiting us all. It is our destiny without the intervention of scientology. It’s the classic hell concept described in Dante’s Inferno as “Ye who enter abandon all hope”.
There is the believe, an unexamined one, that scientology does stuff that no other methodology can do. It gets rid of “mental mass” and the belief in that mental mass is cemented by a specific interpretation of one’s experience in metered interview therapy. There is a decidedly pleasant sensation acquired by doing what is believed to be ‘pulling hidden memories out of a hidden mind and putting them in the UNhidden mind where they belong’. That’s the interpretation of the experience. The “pulling out” of the thought is pleasant in a similar way pulling a booger out of the nose is pleasant. Or having a bowel movement.
In truth, all these pleasant experiences are not cumulative. Over the LONG haul, they don’t render a person superior to their non-scientology counterparts. Indeed, long term scientologists appear to be afflicted with baggage that isn’t attractive. That’s another puzzlement that initiates inquiry.
Oh boy… how do you make a comment to that and not have your whole life with Scientology splattered between your ears?
To this day I can easily seethe with anger recalling the hurt disconnection causes and the sheer inhumanity of it. It’s personal to me and my family. From one large loving family & friends to a bunch of individuals scattered across the planet who don’t talk to each other much anymore except maybe like you’ll communicate to a neighbor down the street about a barking dog. Half of ’em are disconnected from each other and the other half walk on eggshells at the mere mention of Scientology.
Disconnection is now totally out of control within the Cof$. My only understanding of its practice is that it’s the last and only effect the rank structure of Scientology has left. It is all they are permitted to do by management if there’s a personnel problem that does not resolve immediately. It’s their only tool left to handle discontent. The RPF from my perspective is simply a form of internal disconnection. Fear is the only thing that holds their ranks together.
The sooner the Cof$ is gone the better
Yikes RB, a scary-but-true portrayal of cult-think. You should have put a small window with bars in it behind the bunk for added realism. GROAN!
Wow! You floored me with this one, as I had the ‘wonderful opportunity’ to disconnect from a family member. I still carry the emotional scars to this day. What a lovely organization this is.
Hubbard’s ‘May you never be the same again’ effortlessly morphs into ‘May you never be as sane again.’
Sorry for what you went through OSD. On a lighter note have you checked out the Underground Bunker today?
I did and chuckled at Mike Rinder being referred to as, “mellifluous.”
A mellifluous voice augmented by his shermanless syntax.
Now ya talkin, you honey tongued devil you.
My friends call me Beelzebub. ?
I always knew it, Mephisto. You wear it well…
I’m an Operating Satan.
Much laughter here!
Doug, every morning I go to Tony’s blog as well as Mike’sd!
I’d like to indicate you were simply booted off course for reasons best known to God or registrars! What do you mean, you don’t agree? I got a meter read. MAA!!!
Dichotomy, thy name is $cientology. Yes, disconnection is just another mind control method used to keep the slaves obedient.
Still, while Clam mind control is insidious, North Korea still has them beat. In N Korea, if you mess up, you, your siblings, parents and grandparents all go to the same prison camp. $cienos only send the ‘guilty one’ to their labor camp.
RB has missed one thing about the Clampire, you can be sent to the RPF or punished by any superior officer just for being alive. ‘They’ can’t instill fear without having victims. And as Lron taught us, everyone is a potential victim.
Life on planet earth. It could be suggested it has few problems, the Cof$ being one of them.
“…it has a few problems,” – geezers what’s wrong with mornings?
This is really deep heartbreaking stuff.
It’s one reason I thought that a transition phase of official Scientology thinking and practice ought to backpeddle and become more “reasonable” and soften way the heck up.
Even Problems Of Work has the handling, supposedly the softer handling, of using good weather/fair roads, talking and agreeing with “SP”ish parents. The good-roads/fair-weather handling is a lost art, lost piece of tech in official Scientology-land. In Problems of Work a far far more set of “suppressive” family parents/members are NOT disconnected from, but are given a chaperoned good-roads/fair-weather handling so the young Scientology daughter ends up smoothing out her family relations so she reunites with her parents.
Lost tech, good-roads/fair-weather PTS handling is lost tech. Not something Senior C/S Int office, which has direct LRH orders to search out and find and put back into the lineup, the lost tech that the Senior C/S Int Office is supposed to be prowling for.
It’s a major decline of the top management of Scientology, that Miscavige can’t allow Senior C/S Int Office, which probably just doesn’t exist anymore, to even prowl for and find and reimplement “lost tech.”
But the good-roads/fair-weather handling was rebolstered in LRH’s 1978-79 PTS/SP series issues that mention this point about over-zealous PTS A handlings that make things worse. I’m an atheist, but I resolved a PTS situation with my twin when I was on the Key to Life Course, by doing the 1978-1979 PTS issues, “by the book”, doing the light handed good-roads/fair-weather handling and things which were so bad for my then twin, that OSA washed their hands of “helping” her resolve her PTS situation. I helped my twin resolve it with good-roads/fair-weather.
Today It’s painful to see Scientology grow into this sour vile cult worse than anytime in its history.
The splinter group freezone Scientologists (who are all declared SPs in official Scientology’s eyes, but in the outside world even the tame academics’ eyes the freezone Scientologists are still Scientologists in the broader outside world’s understanding of what a Scientologist is) the freezone splinter Scientologists and their history of application of Scientology/Hubbard principles and practices would be the pilot group of Scientologists in the world showing years of evidence that it’s unnecessary to engage in so much disconnection and family ripping apart.
These problems that official Scientology perpetrates just go around in circles from bad to inciting themselves to go more bad. Official Scientology can’t let itself lighten up like the freezone Scientologists seem to have done.
Does anyone know what’s happened to “top management” and if WDC and Exec Strata and Senior C/S Int Office are even on the job anymore?
Good-roads/fair-weather PTS handling is a lost tech, that’s just a major piece of lost tech in even Hubbard’s final years of management theory he left the movement leaders, which none of the movement top people have any brains left to utilize to get themselves out of their hated family ripping apart era.
Yes Chuck, I hardly ever came across a case of actual disconnection (families etc.) being implemented or even mooted at, at my Org, which was quite a big Org, and I was on the lines that would have known about it as well. This was over 30 years ago now however. And as you say, the good roads good weather tech has been seemingly lost as well. It is quite easy to get people back in comm again. (As a complete aside) one thing that I never used though in handling people was that awful cassette “Can we ever be friends”, which was the biggest crock of shit I ever came across in Scientology. It was seemingly designed for the lower IQ bible belt people and their families who might believe anything they are told in a stentorian voice.
The only thing is the background to the reasons why some outside people (I won’t say “wogs” as that will attract the usual suspects to my comment) are against Scientology is now somewhat justified by the deplorable behavior of and instilled attitudes of so-called “management” who coach their staff to be “unreasonable” when such is a total overkill, especially in this day and age of the Internet. Add to that the rip-off aspects of IAS and Idle Org “donations”, and harsh ethics in Orgs and again the background and reasons for people being unhappy with Scientology have increased exponentially.
And yes, in the Freezone or independent field, I have heard of no case of disconnection being implemented at all.
Very often with the people I handled it was them that were causing the problem as well, usually in some way being over-zealous like telling their parents or friends that they had whole track overts or something (I actually don’t recall this happening specifically, but you get my drift), so this sort of thing did happen in my day but it wasn’t an “institutional” thing organized by Church attitudes, but a personal zealousness.
You make some very correct and useful points.
Chuck, “good roads and good weather” handling cannot be used when a person is connected to a declared SP. Reread the R references. It is used when dealing with a person who has some antagonism towards the subject of scamology. NEVER for a Declared SP. If connected to a declared SP one has tao handle the SP (to do A-E) or disconnect. If you saw it done otherwise, it was itself a suppressive act per KSW.
Whoa! That was a really cutting RB posting.
Honestly it exposes the total insanity of Scientology. I noticed A&E has ads on google when you search for Mikes sight. Way to go A&E.
Leah and Mike are going to bring down the toxic organization known as Scientology.
I hope this gets those still in who are under the radar off the fence.
“The difference between what I really think and what I’m suppose to think” Right on RB!
I really think that DLHDM is a SP> I’m suppose to think he is the Pope of Scientology. HA HA HA HA HA HA.
Leah thinks that Davey is an SP she is suppose to think she is a SP for attaching him. HA HA HA HA HA HA
Davey you are the leader of a suppose religion so therefore you are a suppose leader. HA HA HA HA HA HA
Very funny RB!
Wonderful RB! Thanks for your report about conditions inside the wall of fire.
Next Tuesday should be another bunker buster delivered to our favorite cult!
I realized that it was a mere four years ago today that I pulled the pin on my involvement with ‘anyone connected with $cientology’. But of most importance at the time was the realization that after three years of trying to enlighten those closest to me about ‘human rights abuses, it was to no avail.
All of my family members on my wife’s side, kids, nephews, in laws, the whole lot, had a nice Thanksgiving dinner across the street in 2012. But of course, I was not invited.
I had helped my in laws get back on there feet after they left the See Orge in 2006 and they had built a new home next door on a lot my wife and I owned.
The Thanksgiving scene was pretty tough knowing that my daughter (who was in the See Ogre posted as Dir I&R, CMO-IXU) was just across the street and I had not seen her in a good amount of time) but then on Friday evening my wife told me she was going over to her sisters again for ‘pizza and a movie’. That was the moment for me. I could not continue to live in a world with so much caring ( to say nothing about trying to salvage it) ……. I needed a break!
A couple months later the money managers in LA managed to crank out a declare and showed it to my wife.
On Feb 22nd (which is my birthday) I was informed that my wife would be moving out and by the end of the next day ……………….. she and her things were gone. I sometimes wonder that if, among other things, the cult doesn’t plan these warm and fuzzie events for maximum impact???
Yo Dave,
Thanks for all you do good buddy. Yes, it has been tough but you have really taught me a lot. I never would have believed that $cientology was truly a cult which taught members to hypnotize themselves into doing the most hideous things to people they love. I have observed it for myself and it is true.
I can’t tell you how much this final process of yours has helped me. I have truly found eternal freedom and happiness ……….. I thank you for that. I suggest you consider it for your Ohhh Tea Niner and beyond.
Keep doing what you do best Dave and hopefully the rest of your seething den of planetary salvagers will set themselves free.
Wow Newcomer. That’s a tough story, I wish I didn’t understand it but I do. Best of luck to and I truly hope by next Thanksgiving, you’ll have a whole better story you can tell with some mended bits and reunited with a saner version of your family. The Scientology bubble just has to burst – it truly has to!
Thanks I Yawn. Fortunately what you have wished for me has already happened and I am grateful for that and all of the new friends and good life that I have.
And the door will always be open if the kids decide they want to find out for themselves.
🙂
“I had helped my in laws get back on there feet after they left the See Orge in 2006 and they had built a new home next door on a lot my wife and I owned.”
Letting no good deed remain unpunished seems to be all True Believers $cilons true and deepest, but never admitted, motivation, doesn’t it?
So sorry that your wife, kids and relatives abandoned family for a cold, cruel and criminal cult that’s never going to do a thing for them if it’s not to the cult’s financial advantage.
Yes, this is the other side of the coin (of my post in reply to Chuck above). I suppose if I had relatives in the Church then I would have been disconnected from in the 80s when I realized the Church had been taken over by a lunatic who has been covertly (?) driving it down the road to oblivion ever since, and I wasn’t comfortable supporting it anymore. But fortunately such was not the case with me that I had family in the Church. What does one do when one sees quite plainly the depredations that Church management has been inflicting on its own staff and parishioners and is getting worse from year to year and decade to decade (AFAIK)? It must be very tough for you Newcomer. The only comfort you may take in such a situation is that you have kept true to your own integrity. Good luck to you.
RB, this is a powerful and timely one! Disconnection is Scientology’s Achilles’ heel.
My ex-wife apparently has disconnected from me although she has not told me or sent me a disconnection letter. We were still good friends last time I saw her. I saw her a year ago and she said she was going on a job and would be gone 5 weeks. I’ve called her over a hundred times, left messages, etc. Last week I went back to where we lived (She rents the place out now) and the tenants said that she was there 3 weeks ago.
The part about not being a dedicated Scientologist unless you have disconnected from someone struck a nerve. When I was in the SO there my thoughts were more like you were not deadicated unless you had died for the organization. Now no-one I worked for in the SO will claim that that I was not dedicated but I think they would rather that I was just DEAD.
Abysmal trend. Official Scientology really isn’t using their ARCU tech, nor their good-roads/fair-weather “tech” in their PTS handling history.
I’m atheist today, and lament the softer moderate “tech” of Scientology isn’t their strategic trend.
I guess the consensus hindsight view of ex official Scientologists (those kicked out or who’ve left) is a hope that the whole official Scientology meets a catatrophic collapse.
That’s seemed always unlikely. They have long range viability due to their real estate and wealth footprint which is larger than ever in their history, even though they have empty buildings, it’s a footprint that continues to be paid for with money flows that haven’t been disrupted really. (If they start really losing money, then maybe they’ll lighten up on their disconnection.)
Even as an ex member atheist today I think that contrary to the consensus view of hope that the movement collapses, that instead it’s just long range dismal bad painful heartbreaking family ripping apart until new leadership gets to the top of the movement. Miscavige is the only powerful decision maker, so he simply is the biggest problem to Scientology’s horrible image of disconnection.
New leaders, way into the future, if they follow the Hubbard rulebook, they’ll search out, and quickly find their old Senior C/S Int Office strategic orders to prowl for and they’ll quickly find the old “lost tech” of ARCU and “good-roads/fair-weather” and implement it. (For decades now, the freezone Scientology community of ex official Scientologists are the proven pilot evidence that the milder moderate PTS handlings work better.)
Dear Chuck, You are correct. Were you married to Ann Beatty ,who was D of P AO-1 FSO in the early 80s? I worked with her for 3 or 4 years. I have a few stories about her post. She was a very nice lady.
Hi Bill, Yes and I remember you too, FSO crew then. I was Asst OEC/FEBC Course Sup in the Flag Bu Exec College and I recall you in the FSO back then. chuckbeatty77@aol.com
I went on to be on the “routing forms” 4 year project, reading all of LRH’s administrative writings, I had full access, I skimmed thousands and thousands of pages of stuff he’d written, and later I was in INCOMM the computer branch, and then in ASI for 3 years, then RPF for almost 7 years before routing out. Ann last I heard was in the FSC Office network, remote regging for Flag services. Ann had been FBO Flag (FSO), then CS-3, and held SOR Chief, then RPFed, then NOTS DofP as you noted, then Flag Command Bu, then GIEI for a tiny stretch, then FSC Network last I knew.
one day I suppose we’ll meet an OT8 who has “whole track” recall?
Whether one is a atheist or a religious person, OT8’s are supposed to have “whole track” recall.
More like off track and stalled.
Boy that’s hard to take, just walking out of someone’s life and not picking up the phone and lying about why you left. So sorry for this loss, Bill. But she is off policy of the church because she didn’t tell you she was disconnecting and why. The spin the MAA put on it to my kids when they disconnected from me is that they are actually doing me a favor by disconnecting. That way you label the SP and by labeling them, the person can then cognate where is really is and what he really is and thus move up the conditions, which is good for the person. The MAA continued by saying that until you label and use the stiff ethics gradient of disconnection, the person will never cognate and move out of their condition. And if they don’t move up the conditions and do their A to E Steps with the IJC, then it is their fault, not the kids or ex wife, or whoever disconnected from you, but is instead your own fault and your own doing. Amazing how they can do these horrendous things and never be responsible for their actions and instead say it is the other person’s fault. I’d like to ask them, “how’s that working for you?”
It’s probably not working out too good for them. I just realized that LRH said in Dianetics 55 ” A man is as dead as he cannot communicate. So I guess that they are just trying to finish the job. They will have to try harder as, last time I checked, I was still alive.
She probably just refused to lie about it.
RB… you have the rare ability to shed light into the Dark Side with ease and simplicity… and the even rarer capacity to continue to create this product at infinitum… topped with the unyielding disposition to produce the quality vehicle to carry that light. VWD!
I am very proud of you, my friend. ML
Heh,that’s what I thought too,but I could not say it that way.
Why do people put up with that kind of torture? I was never in, so I don’t understand that someone would disconnect from his/hers family,loved ones..I just don’t get it! And I wonder what do one says when getting in contact with his/hers family after so many years! After 10-30 years appart,what do one says?
“Oh well…it’s the midgets fault!” Or ” I’m sorry!”
For True Believer $cilons, what’s at stake there, in their minds, it their “Eternity,” which means the one chance in millions of years to “get out of the trap” that Elron described and to achieve total spiritual freedom. Because $cn is believed the be the only way of achieving that ultimate spiritual freedom, then anyone who opposes it, or makes it hard for you to achieve it, is not only acting against your better interests in this lifetime, but acting against everyone on the planet’s best interests for all of eternity to come.
The shit really IS that deep! And because they’ve been conditioned to believe it unquestioningly, sometimes for decades, it’s gotta hold on them like you can not believe…a hold strong enough even to mke them abandon and shun their own family and friends. Unless you’ve been a part of or close to a high-demand group like $cn, or the fundamentalist Mormon Church, it’s hard for many never-ins to understand how such things could come to be, but the more important thing here is to understand simply that it DOES exist and it IS evil and it should be spoken out against at every opportunity!
In this case, their eternity is the trap. Mindfuck 101.
Interesting take on the trap.
I found it quite remarkable the trap NOTs represents to the solid, unrelenting seriousness that pervades the Scientologist’s mindset. All that dedication,effort, money and familial/friends losses to attain the alleged top of that Bridge. Only to find it gives you the seeds of a new opposition which is so vast in number and so unable to respond with any sense of sanity it becomes quite easy to take the frustration out on the world at large (and hence withdraw from it). And so they do and buy responses like disconnection and Cof$ authority as a relief to a tech which they tried so hard to make work but it is designed to ‘fail you’ as a spiritual being imo. If there ever was any sense to, “what turns it on will turn it off,” it seriously reverses with NOTs. Like a number of things in the numerous technologies of the mind and spirit – emptor caveat! The smart ones left the Church pretty quickly, while many suffered on trying to recoup some sort of return on their investment and dug themselves in deeper and deeper.
If one can get benefit from Scientology, that one will know you can’t take it seriously. KSW1 turned out to be a fuck up of biblical proportions for Scientology itself but not for their bank accounts.
Trying to ‘unseriousness” it from someone’s mind parallels their PTS tech sort of. However, the damage done by the Cof$ to its once loyal adherents has guaranteed its demise.
“What turns it on will turn it off” is incorrect. The way to handle any person (and hence any item in Scientology) is by using this simple datum: “Who you piss off the most will turn them off and make them leave you the fuck alone.”
No shit. I think that the Captain Freewinds is who in Scientology I have pissed off the most. And that was mainly by staying alive after he told my wife; in his office that I was going to die and that nobody could do anything about it. Also my wife said that he was angry because my wife being held against her will ” Split his Executive Council, meaning that half of his ECONOMY said she should be released and the other half said she should remain captive. This was like inciting a mutiny to him.
These be some twisted fucks.
Thanks for the replies,ladies & gents,it clarifies some aspects of the mindfuck (mindrape) needed to capture and keep people in. But I would really like to hear what one says to ones family,after years of disconnection. What do you say,justify your actions,after 25 years of diconnection? Especially to families who were never in cos? What,after 25 years,one drops in for moms sunday lunch,says”how you been lately?”
And you may find yourself
Living in a shotgun shack
And you may find yourself
In another part of the world
And you may find yourself
Behind the fence of a large, depressing compound
And you may find yourself in a horrible gulag
With a hijacked life
And you may ask yourself, well
How did I get here?
Letting the days go by, let my seniors hold me down
Letting the days go by, water flowing underground
Got the blues again, all my money’s gone
Wasting a lifetime, water flowing underground
And you may ask yourself
How do I work this?
And you may ask yourself
Where is that promised life?
And you may tell yourself
This is not what I signed up for!
And you may tell yourself
This is not my beautiful life!
Letting the days go by, let my seniors hold me down
Letting the days go by, water flowing underground
Got the blues again, all my money’s gone
Wasting a lifetime, water flowing underground
Same as it ever was
Same as it ever was
Same as it ever was
Same as it ever was
Same as it ever was
Same as it ever was
Same as it ever was
Same as it ever was
Don’t you mean, insane as it ever was?
That works too!
What an achingly painful and touching poem. I have never been in, but was in a small cult. The pain I felt after getting out led me to study cults, trying to understand their appeal. Why do followers never scrutinize their “prophets.?” Stupid question. No one joins thinking, “cool! I’m joining a cult based on the bizarre imaginings of a semi-sane pathological liar”. I’m so impressed by the strength I’ve seen in the escapees. Kudos. Hang in there. Love will heal you… it takes as long as it takes.
Glad to hear you’re free of their influence Susan. The poem (song) is my twist on ‘Once in a Lifetime’ by Talking Heads.
That song goes back to the early 80s, doesn’t it?
Yes.
?Well, that’s not very funny.
Thanks RB.
My son could have a conversation just like that right this moment.t.