No doubt these children were counted on the Auckland “ideal” org stats as a “paid intro service completions”.
How sad…
Next week, the “Art course”. No doubt they will read a few words of wisdom on the subject of art from Hubbard (a world famous artist?), be handed some crayons and paper and voila, instant stats.
The week after that, perhaps the “play on the swings” course with a $5 donation to keep the stats going up. They will give them some “tech” about playing games and that too will qualify for a course completion.
Anyone who has been around orgs can see this sort of thing a mile away. All the tricks to pretend you are doing well and expanding (especially for “ideal” orgs who come under intense pressure to “10X their stats”) have been used for decades.
What a sham this entire organization is. It’s the Emperor Has No Clothes played on an international scale – why do all these people go along with it? Brainwashing? Delusion?
Ron the troll is probably a Non Scn paid troll. After all, Scn pays actors to fill seats, (provable fact), and they pay click farms in India to click “Like” to make it look like they have huge followings on FB and other places, so why not just pay a Non Scn to troll the big bad SP’s blog? He probably copies and pasts stuff from OSA on which buttons to press and the enemy line to keep putting out there over and over. I think we should all just ignore him and not one person ever from now on reply to him. When he gets no response, can’t enturbulate, he will dejectedly leave.
The art of War is upon you? And into the looking glass lies become exposed?
Alternation of the truth is still a lie no matter the pretense. There is nothing totally factual with any of what you folks write and shout. Partial truths, altered time, altered sequence, omissions and the like are still lies no matter how justified and does not make it right.
OK Ron Howarth.
You are simply taking this as an opportunity to insult people and call them names.
A few readers have written to me concerning you. I will give you the opportunity to clarify or dispute what I have now been told. I do not know if any of this is true — as I told you before, I have no recollection of hearing your name before you appeared here to comment.
You were declared SP in the early to mid 90’s.
You were accused of squirreling on your pc’s.
You used to beat up your fiancée (I have her name but am not including it)
You built some sort of illegal barge/house with Dianetics painted on it, and got into legal troubles and kept moving it to escape repercussions. This generated a lot of bad press about Dianetics and Scientology.
Fire away Ron — but remember, it seems there are some readers here (who have asked to remain anonymous at this time) who know you and something of your history.
Oh, Mike. This is brilliant.
Let’s see what he has to say, if anything.
I replied to him way too many times. Couldn’t seem to help myself considering the utter craziness and nonsense contained in his posts.
Best to ignore him. Responding to his nonsense only gives him the idea that we grant him “beingness” which suggests to him that he is creating some effect here, good or bad doesn’t matter. If he is still in, which I doubt, he’ll be spending a lot of time in ethics for posting here. Even the “still-ins” recognize that he is a very bad example of a scientologist.
You are hell bent on destroying life in general. No rational communication is possible amongst the insane. It is likely that you will self destruct. To your comrades I say beware of the source of the information and consider the concept of mob rule.
Distortions, distortions and more distortions is the name of your game.
Enough said as you win in your world of lies. Your lied are not mine.
Your reality is what it is and is the universe in which you alone dwell.
So you don’t deny what those people said?
I guess this is goodbye then?
Good by? I got a first hand view of where you and those you influence are coning from.
I know who you are and I know what you are doing.
Thanks, Mike, for unmasking Ron and telling us his history. Whacko! I say ignore till he goes away.
Okay, ctempster, I agree; I’m done with Ron Howarth. I did just reply when he asked me what worked for me in dealing with my own former addiction problem. I’ll not respond to any more of his posts since there’s no one home, so to speak, in his psyche. I might as well turn sideways from where I’m sitting and say “hello, wall.”
Out of fairness, I am going to allow him to respond to my last comment. But pretty much relegating his comments to the trash at this point as they are often non-sequitur and mostly designed to insult whoever he is addressing. People don’t come here to be abused and I feel I have some obligation to make it somewhere they feel welcome rather than simply being assaulted, even if the author is clearly only trying to stir up trouble and everyone can see it.
Thanks Bixntram! Good decision! And MIke thank you for your awesome decision! You’re right that people don’t come here to be abused.
I remember in the 70’s this (what Mike said above) was true: “All the tricks to pretend you are doing well and expanding (especially for “ideal” orgs who come under intense pressure to “10X their stats”) have been used for decades.” How well I remember by hook or by crook get those stats up…never mind next week…use up the public until they blow…but get that number on the graph up regardless of the human beings losing interest and blowing due to pressure. I loved communicating what I thought was the, “truth,” but the push for money and stats corrupted it.
Something wrong for having money or donating money? What is contributed is an exchange and when a person makes a contribution he does so because his pocket is picked?
Dianetics and Scientology are much like the play by Shakespeare Much Ado About Nothing.
No clears or operating thetan.
But yet the story continues that one can produce a clear and a operating thetan by the DM
Do you mean there no clears are in your space, Gib, or are there none? What does operating as a spiritual being mean to you? Are you including yourself amongst the none you allege?
I can’t believe the one day that I don’t check in first thing THIS is what I miss! :/
Can I just assure everyone that these shoeless children are (probably) not from poor homes. It is just a Kiwi thing to kick your shoes off as we are a beachy nation (think Hawaii or the Caribbean). Obviously you don’t want to wander around the streets in bare feet though but it’s not seen as a sign of poverty – more a laid back culture thing. Not in bars or restaurants though, obvs. 🙂
So sad that these bright little faces will see less of their parents and less of the family income for REAL treats such as holidays and extracurricular activities due to this horrid cult.
Dana Lee and her husband Simon are the biggest lurve-bombers in the Auckland Co$. Performing seals for all the fundraisers as is their daughter.
Oh – and someone mentioned Kerry Strongman above. He passed away in January but it seems he may have pulled away from the cult before his demise.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503450&objectid=11972591
One has to fill the time , if ya got nothing to do.
The Kerry splash must of been about a year earlier. Looks healthy, If any body mimic-ed Ron it would be Kerry, he could tell a story or Two .. I noticed he didn’t mention , been a master carver,got a smacked hand over that one, and yes the family are still fighting over that one, hey but Scientology really changed his life
Having been around Kerry and Auckland Org, they are delusional, with out doubt.
Has anybody heard from the Ferrisis or Moffats, All have left staff, and are very quiet,.are they decompressing , I hear Gaylene Frazer is in Dept of special Affairs now.
Granitt.
Kerry disconnected and died?
I really love your explanation as to why Kiwi children go barefoot. They can go higher and faster at the playgrounds too. I certainly did! Also was Kerry Strongman related to any of the Strongmans in Coromandel? I think they have since moved though. And of course I am curious to know how many are in the CO$ here in Auckland. I haven’t seen a peep. I just know that some of the buildings in Remuera (or some such expensive sites) were bought a few years ago. These children look like they have just had a fun day playing, I really hope that they are just hired child actors or children who have no idea what certificates they are even holding up.
Good on validating the value of “Self Analysis”. That is a start in speaking the truth and that this new tech works. Think it would benefit others? Why not do something beneficial and put your efforts on getting others to use it instead of trying to discourage. With people like you around it is no wonder uncertainty as you create havoc and are a merchant of chaos for those who promote and use it to build a better world. May6be you could somehow make up the damage you have done.
Doing well. I wonder how you could be doing well in your state of mind. You pretend to be laughing on the outside and with others as you chide and ridicule while in actuality you are crying on the inside.
Natter = withholds people aa you well know Mike.
Try knock off the criticism and build a better world instead of justifying your crimes by being a bigot and making your prior religion wrong. You know what you have done Mike Rinder and the support you attempt is truly a disservice to your self, your fellow men and fellow women.
If I was COB I would have applied the bully principle and applaud him if he did as you certainly need a reality adjustment. Wasn’t it you who was abusive to your wife? And isn’t your cohort, Leah Remini, a lesbian as well as a fellow bigot? Such prevision. Hope your fans understand where you are coming from and the smell of the shit that comes from your mouth. Your opinions are just what they are…foul opinions. Shame on you for the shame, blame and regret you project..
I do what I can to help people avoid the pitfalls inherent in scientology. It works better at keeping people from making the same mistakes (and suffering the abuses) as others rather than persuading those who are under its spell from waking up (you are a good example).
My state of mind is good — though you as a scientologist know better right? Of course you do. L. Ron Hubbard told how to evaluate others’ state of mind and he is always right.
Any criticism of scientology = natter in the minds of the brainwashed. Families torn apart by scientology should just grin and bear it, otherwise they are “nattering” and have “withholds.” It’s a convenient construct that keeps believers in line. I am sorry that you cannot see beyond what you have been taught to think.
Wow! I just woke up and this is the first thing I read! For what it’s worry Mike Rinder you are my hero for having the guts to speak out and speak the truth! You and Leah and so many others I have gotten to know are relentless in fighting the good fight, trying to save others from the abuses of scientology. Like bankruptcy and disconnection to begin with. And so much more that inevitably destroys a persons life and any shred of actual happiness. One reason people get hooked is they want to do good in the world. But we see no charity or making the world a better place from this “cherch” ! So Thank you Mike, Leah, Tony, Jeffrey, Karen, Chris, Mary, Lori and more than I can name for all you do. And thanx to all who shared their painful stories with us by writing books, doing interviews, etc. We are with you and supporting you all the way! We will never give up until the complete and utter demise of scientology.
Why did you stop the purification program Mike? I worked two years to get the facility set up in an effort to do something about the opioid epidemic while you justify and justify and justify. I know you and judge you by your products.
Weren’t you the PR who was responsible for the Lisa McPhearson lies that you misrepresented to the press. And now you are set upon destroying the legacy of L. Ron Hubbard. And you deny your own personal abuse of your wife while claiming Scientology abuses. Clean up your own act. Mike.
No idea what you are talking about with the Purif but it sounds like you were “stopped” because you were a squirrel? How exactly were you stopped? There are all sorts of people who deliver “purif” – it’s just sauna and vitamins. Nobody can stop someone from doing saunas, taking vitamins or drinking oil?
Yes, I told all sorts of lies to the press and have admitted it from the first interview I did (I suggest you watch John Sweeney’s second piece on scientology that I recently recommended everyone see again). I also denied the existence of Xenu. And that Miscavige didn’t hit anyone. How do you propose I take responsibility for this other than telling the world what really goes on in scientology that I was part of for so long?
As for my personal abuses of my wife. Your statement is the best proof ever that you are simply a Scientology troll. It’s a completely disproven lie that scientology continues to repeat despite the evidence in police reports and John Sweeney’s recording of the incident.
It is nearly time for you to find somewhere else to play….
Mike, you state to Ron Howarth, “It is nearly time for you to find somewhere else to play….” Good call. I’d say his time here is up. No sense having trolls upset all the posters and having them divert the discussion threads on to other topics than what we were discussing, and just basically creating “entheta” while trying to defend the church. I vote we say siyonara to him.
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Well, I think it is helpful to have “real” scientologists comment here because they illustrate not only the “other point of view” but also what the scientology mindset is. In some ways they are the best evidence of the result of scientology…
Yes that is a valid point you make, Mike. But as Valerie pointed out, he may not even be a Scn because he had to ask the definition of the word “blow.” That is a basic word ALL Scns know the definition of. Unless Davey took that word out of the tech dictionary to discourage blows. People might read the def and get an idea…
A bolt is a blow is a blow. Have you?
Are you aware of the opioid epidemic? If we unite could we better do something about it?
Might the target be that which threatens our survival?
Might we step up to the plate but refraining from attempting to destroy the technology that L. Ron Hubbard developed to better handle life?
I personally know it works. There are reasons why others make the clams they do but that is not real issue.
The issue is that the world is in need of technology not only to handle the opioid epidemic but lots of other problems…like inflation, the debt of the nation, etc.
There is not workable technology in play on those.
Drink deep and take an honest look at what really needs to be handled.
Scientology is not the cause of any of those mentioned and they are far more important that handling a some policies of a religion you are not in agreement with.
Will you step up to the plate? And how about you? And you too brothers and sisters?
20 cut and paste responses with this? You really think that is what the comments section is for? I have allowed 2 so everyone can see they truly are just the same thing repeated. All the rest have been sent to the trash bin.
Mike, I have doubts that he’s for real. What real Scientologist doesn’t know what “blew” means? Unless for whatever reason he was pretending not to know.
Yo Ron Howarth –
Do you know what “create” means?
Good.
Well what Mike is doing here is CREATING hope and persistence in those people who were DAMAGED by Scientologiy’s Disconnection and Fair Game policies. And possibly other policies as well but definitely these Toxic Two.
What he created when he was in the cult might very well have been harmful and destructive. He knows that, he understands that, and for years now he has been diligently OUT-creating with GOOD what he formerly created that was bad.
Cappice?
So your beef with him I take it has something to do with your Purif business getting shut down?
Ron, then, why not just start another one, if there’s a market for it?
Contact Co$ and let them know you’re prepared to jump threw all their hoops because you have a very strong purpose to deliver their Purification Rundown.
They’re desperate for staff. They’ll embrace you! They’ll be THRILLED.
In the meantime, wrong targeting isn’t going to help you.
Even if Mike Rinder did shut your Purif thing down (which he denies) well, he’s been out of CO$ for a DECLARED and he’s a NOTORIOUS DECLARED SP for crying out loud, so Co$ would hardly back him up if push came to shove. They hate him! They’d be on YOUR side.
Think about it.
In the meantime, may I suggest you get out your dictionaries and behave like a Scientologist by clearing your words. Also watch out for the non-sequitur comm, brush up on your grammar, and as regards Mike Rinder, back off and seriously consider apologizing to him on this blog.
ML,
Aqua
If Ron is an OSA Troll sent to divert people off the subject at hand , thwn he is fairly successful
He has taken up more of Mike’s time in reply in this one post than I have om this life.
Do you need a memory adjustment about the Pure Health Center?
John Sweeny? Your cohort who was filmed having a psychotic break?
You fool some of the people but not all.
Are an angry degraded being?
And why would you call me a troll, Mr Bully Goat, Bigot Master, & Wife Abuse Denier?
This is the perfect trained-seal scientologist reply.
Thank you for illustrating so well in one comment, so much of what scientology represents.
Yep; “Always attack, never defend.” But I want to repeat what I mentioned here yesterday, Hubblard’s quote in Jesse Prince’s new book: “IF YOU DEFEND YOU WILL LOSE EVERY TIME.” He was inadvertently telling his slaves that scientology COULDN’T be defended, since it was all lies and horshit emanating from Hubb’s twisted brain. HE never defended it, and this is why you’ll never see a scientologist defending it (other than “it works for me,” which is no defense at all): it’s indefensible, no research, no logic, no proof. Ironic, isn’t it, that a cult called
“scientology” has never had any science to back it up?
Ron Howarth, or whatever your real name is, re getting people off drugs… a noble goal. But it won’t be done with Narconon. Read the real stats and look at the real families of Narconon patients who died from it. Then get your misplaced help flow somewhere else to what actually works in the real world.
And the psychotic break of John Sweeney? See who caused it. If you’re brave enough to look at forbidden videos and things, go pull up the actual TV interview John Sweeney did with Mike and Tommy Davis about Scn. You’ll see Tommy Davis bull baiting him with the express purpose and intention of causing a psychotic break. So find out who caused it. In the “Confront and Shatter Suppression Course” you’ll see that LRH says that it isn’t the crazy ones who are psychotic and SP. It is the quiet one in the corner, not harming a fly (supposedly) who trigger the pts person to go psychotic. Tommy was a complete demo of that LRHism on that show. Ron how can you defend what you haven’t seen? Go see the footage of Sweeney on that show and THEN talk to us (if you dare).
TO RON HOWARTH: LOL HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA – Seriously Ron, first of all nice “church” you got there falsely calling Leah a lesbian and Mike an abuser. To be a scientologist one must ignore all truths and be a self-loathing moron with dwindling amounts of money. Check and check for you Ron, well done.
While you are on the internet check out the Bunker website and all of the days counting up the diconnection of families, again, nice :”church” Ron. Using your made-up scilon vocabulary not sounding like a real person in anyway at all – you can thank LRH for that and you have and you will again, Hip Hip Hooray – they stole your money and it aint gonona stop. Hip HIp Hooray for you Ron because you have nothing left but to be jealous of those that left and never have to answer to an asshole like you or OSA ever again. Life is great on the outside but you are in hell and you are fucked with nothing but having o spy on each other and rat out people who think differently and question the status quo.
Keep being you Ron Howarth because it only helps others to see what disgusting people thet cult produces. YOU, ron, are the PERFECT example of why onoe shold never become a loser scilon.
What are you doing to help, anyone or anything, Mike? Give us your stats.
Who is the “us” you are part of?
Uh, excuse me, Ron, but isn’t commenting on this blog an out- ethics action? Should you really be schmoozing with us SPs? Aren’t you afraid that OSA might see your comments and haul you off for sec checks? Oh, I forgot! Whales like your family who pour insane amounts of cash into horseshit like the IAS are virtually Kha-Khans and are therefore immune from ethics actions.
Mike’s a bigot?? How very dumb of you to say that.
You’ve never dared to watch Scientology and The Aftermath.
All Mike and Leah do is let ex members tell their horrific stories of abuse, despair and their ruined lives at the hand of your cult.
But you certainly don’t give a shit, do you? All you care about is parroting the LIES you’ve been told.
Oh, and Leah being a lesbian is yet another lie. Deal with it.
Promiscuous also and that is one of the reasons she was declared a suppressive person was it not?
Wrong as usual. She was declared for asking where Shelly Miscavige was and then speaking to SPs like me and Debbie Cook.
You stun me with your colossal and arrogant nerve.
If Leah, or anyone else, is “promiscuous”, it’s no one’s goddamn business. Who the hell are you to judge??
All people make mistakes, including YOU. How would you like to be punished by your cult and sec-checked within an inch of your life for simply being human?
I doubt Leah was promiscuous, but if she was, who really gives a shit? She’s a wonderful person who’s helping those who’ve been damn near destroyed by your cult.
Riddle me this: what kind of church calls themselves ethical but severely punishes people who make mistakes??
Well now Ronnie Pooh, looks like you feel the need to ‘do something about’ all the truth being put forth about yer nastie little cult.
Rather than whine about Mike why don’t you really get with the program. Call Dave (he is the ONLY ONE doing anything about it anyway) and tell him you want to do a sit-com for his SuMP productions. A sit-com in the cult means you sit down, pick up the cans and answer the fucking non auditing question with clear communication.
I’d say you need upwards of about 1000 hours Ron. Between that and your mind altering comments about the blog perhaps you will complete your amends project soon. Don’t forget ….. get Eff Pee to sign your write up and say hi to my good buddy Dave when he lets you see him.
Dave?
Newcomer, he doesn’t know who the Dave is that you refer to in your comment!!!!! More proof he is a paid troll Non Scn.
Ctempster I think he knows exactly who Dave is.
Yeah, Dave! You know, the midget, the Dwarfenfuhrer, a certain Mister Miscavige! In other words, your lord and messiah! The little shit you give all that money to!
Please STOP butchering English. Nattering is to have a pleasant , casual conversation about nothing in particular. You only show your lack of education trying to re-write the English dictionary.
Ron has made so much foulness in his 9:57 post that I have to pick it apart, even deep into the night.
First, he either lies or misunderstands when he claims Mike has validated Hubbardian “Self Analysys” when in fact all Mike did was reflect the long-held popular belief that introspection has a place in any life. He made no claim that Hubbard’s method had any special value nor did he promote it to others.
Next you make the usual Scientology personal attack, with a dusting of “I know you are happy outside but are really crying inside” when in fact you know so little about Mike as I do, less probably since I have been reading his blog and comments for years.
Then of course you thrown in the discredited Hubbardian terms “withholds” which only have value in a high-control cult in which the owner, Hubbard (and now Miscavige), wants to have as much information on file about his adherents as he can, to use as control agents against them. I feel very sorry for you, Ron, if you are unaware that those supposedly private folders created in the supposedly private auditing sessions are not private at all, except in general there are great lengths taken to keep from them away from anyone who might be critical of Scientology. But don’t believe me, test the privacy of your folders: make some benign criticism or Hubbard or Miscavige, along with some great story from whatever prior life suits your fancy, and sit back to see what happens – I hope you can afford the sec checking sure to follow.
Sadly, you use the made-up Hubbardian word “natter.” That only goes to show you still drink the Kool-aid, deeply. Why not try to use the English language rather than the words Hubbard made up to set himself on a pedestal, proving by your adoption of ‘his’ language that all you mortals are beneath him, stuck here on planet earth whilst he wanders around to Venus and the galaxy. Funny how Miscagive has not visited Venus, or the Van Allen belts, or even France. I wonder why?
The crimes you allude to are just not there. That is more made-up Hubbardian language. If you want crimes, read about what Scientology did to Paulette Cooper and a whole host of others. Check out the legal records to see who went to prison and who went into hiding for the rest of his natural life. Boy, what an ostrich with his head in the sand you are. Ummm, you do know what an ostrich is, right? You’ve been to a zoo? An art gallery? White water rafting? Learned to fly light aircraft? No? Been stuck down in Central Files trying to send letters to people who want nothing to do with Scientology? Sad.
No one here wants anything but the best for (almost) everyone still in Scientology. First comes the realization that there is help. Next comes the attempt to get help. We can not change your light bulb for you.
By the way, the word is “perversion”, not “prevision”. Try a dictionary sometime, even Hubbard suggests that. An also by the way, homosexuality is neither a perversion nor a prevision, thank you very much for living in the dark ages. You have heard of the Dark Ages?
Then you tell that tired old untruth about Mike and his ex-wife in which she and a group of others surrounded him in a parking lot while his wife was seeing her doctor. Not his ex-wife seeing the doctor, the ex was outside with her posse yelling her fool head off, it’s all on tape if you want to hear it, but of course it is painfully obvious you believe everything Scientology’s paid liars write.
Are you proud of having threatened to use violence to get Mike to believe as you want him to believe? I hope you will someday see that is the way of Hubbard and Miscavige, not the way or free, thinking people.
Perhaps you are unaware that Hubbard never wanted it to become a religion, but at some point he had to because he was about to lose some income unless he could put those white religious collars on some guys hanging around the orgs. It is all in writing, all by Hubbard, if you only know where to look.
You can call it a religion, just as I can call my hemmorrhoids a religious experience, if I had any. CoS has the advantage of a tax deduction, which it came by in a not particularly legal manner. It is not being bigoted to be critical of any church, especially one which makes a religious faith out of telling untruths. Sure, if anyone attempts arson, even I would be against that, but as for simply being critical, that is a prerogative allowed Americans under their Constitution, whether or not you personally believe in free speech.
I won’t go into the foulness you speak in closing, except to remind you the Internet lasts forever, knows all about almost anyone who uses it, and someday your real name, address etc will be connected with that anal language, and make its way to an employer, loved one, parole officer… probably sent there by one of your good friends like Dave Miscavige.
” First, he either lies or misunderstands ….”
It is both Ammo …plus a bunch of other stuff created out of thin air to support the various cult activities such as trying to dismantel this blog by inciting ‘entheta’ as the cult likes to call it!
Yo Dave,
Recall yer dwindling spiral good buddy. It will continue and then one day you will be gone ……. for eternity.
Gone for eternity?
Could you r diet be causing your intestine to be building out of your ass AKA hemorrhoid?
Consider clearing some words?
I wonder if this means that Foolproof noticed that he wasn’t entirely proofed against fools after all. I always wondered how he could imagine that he was. I think he may be NPD, too. (There’s treatment available for that, FP. Check it out.)
Welcome, Ron. We fools can use a foil now and then.
Having just this much experience of Scientologists’ vaunted ability to communicate, I do wonder if the Scientology communication course teaches anything but verbal abuse. Granted it’s a very small sample, but so far 100% of current Scientologists I’ve encountered issue a substantial chunk of verbal abuse in their supposed “communications.” I don’t think they’re even capable of recognizing verbal abuse as such. Perhaps if we could give them a course on verbal abuse, they’d learn how to actually communicate?
What does belittling me accomplish and what your purpose of doing so or for that matter what you are doing to the religion of Scientology? Could expect yourself in a more optimum direction?
Are you aware of the opioid epidemic? If we unite could we better do something about it?
Might the target be that which threatens our survival?
Might we step up to the plate but refraining from attempting to destroy the technology that L. Ron Hubbard developed to better handle life?
I personally know it works. There are reasons why others make the clams they do but that is not real issue.
The issue is that the world is in need of technology not only to handle the opioid epidemic but lots of other problems…like inflation, the debt of the nation, etc.
There is not workable technology in play on those.
Drink deep and take an honest look at what really needs to be handled.
Scientology is not the cause of any of those mentioned and they are far more important that handling some policies of a religion you are not in agreement with.
Will you step up to the plate? And how about you? And you too brothers and sisters?
I probably shouldn’t respond to a boiler plate but about the drug problem: I am no expert and this is an admittedly subjective opinion, but as a successfully recovered addict myself times many years, I have a fair idea of what does work, and Narconon sure ain’t it. Neither is and handling out little worthless TWTH pamphlets.
What was it that worked for you?
1. Getting to a place where where I couldn’t keep living the way I was. Wanting to get clean no matter what.
2. Several months in a residential treatment center sponsored by the Episcopal Church (no attempt made to proselytize mr).
3. Going to group therapy twice weekly (yes, the “evil psych” type of therapy).
4. Most importantly though, participating in a 12-Step program a creating a support system for myself and making new friends that were clean and sober. This did not happen overnight and was not easy. I don’t claim a final “cure” of my addictions (hard drugs and alcohol), just a daily reprieve. That said, it’s been decades since I last shot up or took a drink and it’s likely I’ll stay that way.
You do know that Hubbard died with the psychoactive drug vistaril in his system? It’s in the coroner’s report. His handlers (i.e., Miscavige) weaseled out of a full autopsy report for fear of what it might show.
“Might we step up to the plate but refraining from attempting to destroy the technology that L. Ron Hubbard developed to better handle life?”
Ahhh… look at your Church’s stats Bucko, it was Scientologists in good standing who did that, not people who aren’t in the orgs. Geezers, haven’t you ever read KSW1? Attacks only come from what? Be brave/sensible enough to research that! Then again, you’re on the Scientology payroll of deceit, no place for the honesty of evidence there.
I’ll put it in another way you’ll understand more easily – fuck off!
Will you knock it off with the fucking opioid epidemic? Yes, the drug problem is a serious concern but Davey’s silly church ain’t gonna do nothing about it!
NPD?
“…I would have applied the bully principle…” Well Mr. Howarth, if you have at your disposal, the most advanced body of knowledge in the universe, and all those OT powers, why would you have to resort to the mouth breathing bully principle.
It’s because the tech is not tech, it is fiction, and the cherch is not a church, it is a con – captained by (and here you are correct) a BULLY.
You are living in the world of ‘the end justifies the means’, and admittedly I also lived by that credo…until I reached OT3 and realized all the inconsistencies and lies that I had put up with, and participated in, were not justified – the tech does not work, the stated EP is not real.
Think about it for just 60 seconds: If the bridge to freedom actually existed there would be a groundswell of people – all the time – clamoring to get onto and up the grade chart. The SPs could not hold a candle to the OTs, Scientology would bring families together, help governments and schools, and surely anyone who has experienced the vast gains, would never, ever think of leaving!
Instead you are part of a shrinking organization that lives in vain hope of freedom, and pressures its members to donate money for status. And when captain smartypants doesn’t get his way, it’s time for the ‘bully principle’.
Yes Zola! How exactly true. Keep on speaking the truth. I’m inspired.
I recently started reading Jesse Prince’s new book and came across this famous Hubbard quote (which I’m sure most of you know):
“The defense of anything untenable. The only way to defend anything is to ATTACK (Hubb’s caps). If you ever forget that YOU WILL LOSE EVERY BATTLE YOU ARE EVER ENGAGED IN (my caps).”
I’ve had a few encounters here and there on line with clams still in the cult and everyone of them has followed this playbook to a T (most noteably, Foolproof at this site). Hubblard inadvertently told the truth here: “The defense of anything (i.e., anything in scientology) is untenable.” That is why the attack mode is all the scibots know and all they can do.
This particular post by Ron Howarth: “abusing your wife,” “Leah Remini a lesbian” (a huge accusation in $cionSpeak), and topping it off with “the smell of shit that comes from your mouth” is about the most vile thing I’ve seen anywhere on the internet. He sounds like a real “in for life” “I’ll never leave” scientology slave. What a way to live your life! Filled with hate and lies. Everyone: be glad, be very glad, you’re not him.
Thanx for that comment Binx! I am so very grateful not to be like Ron. Every day, every hour and every minute. Truly sad, just tragic.
Don’t worry. If Hell doesn’t exist yet we’ll put it there.
I’ve got some heavy equipment that you can use.
I’ve got some expertise with combustible substances. Feel free to consult, I love a good fizzle.
On the fence, yawnalot?
Conspiracy to commit…..
Conspiracy to commit…TRUTH!
Conspiracy to pervert the truth, Wryter man? How’s your shoe size?
Wearing well?
Conspiracy? Spare us.
You should be a comedian.
Conspiracy to build hell? What, are you worried that’s the REAL Target 2?
Oh, I got a nibble, gosh! Do I need hide now?
IMO, if Hell doesn’t exist, scn is a pretty good approximation already.It’s an equal-opportunity abuser. Given any chance, they’ll do their best to torture, belittle and destroy. IF their techniques worked as advertized, we wouldn’t have much to talk about, here (or anywhere) and the strong-arm tactics and expen$ive lawyers would be unnecessary. Instead, we’rempresented with a constantly-evolving and expanding list of balderdash to wonder about.
Did not the same type of “mob rule” you folks are initiating crucify our lord Jesus?
Why did day do dat? Was it out of ignorance or was there some other agenda?
Now you’re like Jesus? Phew.
Keep ’em coming Ron.
Yes, I am like Jesus as are you. The spirit lies within.
What are you waiting for? Let’s build a better world of peace on earth.
We can.
If it can be envisioned it can be achieved?
A Jesus Freak, is it? Another one of these.
Ok, this is making more sense now. Another piece of the puzzle has been added.
Ron H, if you believe you’re like Jesus Christ, congratulations, because you sure are getting crucified 🙂
You remind me of the angry people who preach on street corners. Hell! Fire! Sin! Abomination! Whores of Babylon! And so forth.
A little tip, Ron H. If you REALLY want people to follow you, to help you, to share your vision and join in your causes, first, READ the New Testament. Read how Jesus interacted with people. His unselfish and forbearing nature. The way he understood and forgave people. Take a tip from the Prince of Peace, Ron.
Hint: Jesus didn’t get his Disciples and the multitudes following him around by INSULTING them. By ranting at them and making them wrong!
Whoever you are – and I for one do not believe your name is Ron Howarth – but whoever you are, you are one, very angry guy.
Jesus, at least according to the NT, was not an angry type, but a compassionate, understanding, forgiving type.
In brief, Ron H, Jesus may well be “in” you but I think we’ll have to drill kinda deep before we get to Him.
Just saying. And good luck.
Didn’t work for you? No wonder.
Ron Howarth, ” this is the session “:
Has a crime been committed? Has a super power been suppressed? Has a contradiction been ignored? Has the ability to doubt and to question been redefined as a crime? Do you actually LIKE the smell, taste, texture, weight, and motion of Captain Missravage’s nut sack on your face? Is there an earlier, similar confusion regarding the difference in the location and function of your mouth and your anus?
Would you like the others to experience the spiritual slavery and absence of intellectual acuity you are currently experiencing?
I’m literally howling. Hysterical!
Literally howling in your glee of insanity, Katherine?
Howling with laughter. Duh.
We all know that $cientologists have absolutely no sense of humor and hate J&Ding.
But I don’t expect you to know what J&D is since you don’t know what “blew” means. Quite fishy, indeed.
Look up the definition of insanity; you’ll find a description of $cientology.
Is this what a session is to you and are you in session, Mark Foster?
Mark’s one hell of an auditor in my opinion.
Thumbs up!
Mark, your way with words is commendable. Have yourself a good day, you just made mine more enjoyable.
Mark, you forgot to indicate his stuck needle.
When will the planet get cleared?
Steven Hassan may have answered the question on his Book – ‘Combating Cult Mind Control’:
Mind control / Undue Influence is the process of controlling people by mentally hijacking their normal thought process. It can infect people to such an extent that they form a programmed cult identity.
Cults maintain a complete control over people’s mental and emotional lives and make it a crime to act or think independently.
Basic respect for the individual is secondary to the leader’s whims and ideology.
People are manipulated and coerced to think, feel and behave in a single ‘right way’.
I strongly recommend the book that outlines clearly the mechanics used by cults.
A few months after I blew scn I looked back and saw that scn presented the idea, “We know everything about everything. We’re right and everybody else is wrong.” That’s how I knew I had been in a cult. The same thing could be said about any religion depending on how much someone buys into it.
What is the definition of blew?
You’re a Scientologist and you’re asking to be spoon fed the definition of a word? And SUCH a word, so very key to Scientology. Where is your dictionary? Your TECH dictionary? I’m shocked, I tell ‘ya!
Wow Ron, you are on quite the little roll today good buddy. Is Dave checkin yer work?
As a fanatical $cientologist, how is it possible you don’t know the definition of “blew”??
Do your own word-clearing, and kiss my cans!
LOL!
In scn “to blow” means to suddenly and unexpectedly leave. It’s usually ascribed to a misunderstanding and often more specifically and dogmatically ascribed to going past a misunderstood word. Also in the mix might be overts (transgressions) against the organization. According to testimony on the internet Ron agreed that people also blow because of upsets.
There could be other reasons why people leave a subject like scn. Perhaps they got what they wanted and moved on, found some truth in the subject and decided to explore other subjects, and there could be several other reasons which have often been mentioned on the blogs.
Don’t you wonder why Ron H doesn’t know the definition? Something’s fishy….
Totally, fishy. If Ron H TRULY didn’t know the definition of “blew” then we have a troll here for sure but one that’s only pretending to be a Scientologist.
I agree Katherine. A Scn of any length of time would know such a basic definition. So maybe Ron is a “wog” and is a paid provocateur.
This wouldn’t surprise me in the least.
After all, the cult of $cientology will go to incredible lengths to try to convince everyone that their “religion” is the only way to be free, happy, content, certain of everything…. blah blah blah.
I laughed just typing that because it’s so obvious to anyone with critical thinking skills that $ci is a massive scam created by an insidious conman.
I think you’ve hit on it. A non-Scientologist paid troll. OSA must be short-staffed! And an ESL troll, at that. Too many grammatical errors of a type that only foreigners make. No way is English his (or her) first language.
Richard —
Just wondering…
Do you actually believe that people “blow” $cientology because of M/Us or that they have committed transgressions against the cult??
I really hope you don’t.
Kat C – I thought Ron might be baiting me so I gave him a couple of things which might fit his reality. It seems he got booted from the COS and blames Mike for a failed business attempt and wants revenge. Even so, when talking to a believer I mention things which I found to be somewhat truthful to be fair. I posted my comment above before I saw his latest round of invective and he’s not worth the effort to speak with.
In answer to your question, misunderstanding words might cause someone confusion and cause them to give up on a subject. A staff member or student might steal from an organization or do something which causes harm to the organization and split,
As an aside and with no offense meant, here’s something I got from a TED talk. In most instances “actually” is a non word and a conversation stopper. It’s offered as an enforcement to ones own opinion or belief and when included in a question to another it tends to pin them down on their opinion or belief. For example, if I say I “actually” believe something it makes it more difficult for you to express your different belief.
I’ve “actually” eliminated the word from my conversational writing – haha
No offense taken.
I was just curious if you really believed those things.
I “actually” wanted to know…lol.
P.S. For all we know, “Ron” may picking out random stuff from OSA files and splashing it out on the blog. Working through the “conditions”?
I may need correction on this but I think it’s called doing an “A to E”. This is a scn procedure done when you get declared (kicked out) and want to get back in. You go through these A to E steps and one of them is “Strike effective blow to the enemy”. Maybe Ron is busy working on it and almost ready to apply for readmission.
Ron, yes he may be doing A to E steps himself to get back in, but he may also be a Non Scn (I suspect he is a “wog”). He could have been a civilian worker building the purif. being paid by the church as a civilian and something happened to cause him to be fired from the job or something. So he could be mad about that and so is here slinging the shit. And if he went to the Freedumb Mag or to the Sump tv channel, he would get all the buz terms to throw around such as wife beater. I think he is a civilian using church black pr to get back at someone.
Ronnie H – you poor soul, you are so ignorant.
Doesn’t it hurt, sometimes, to have such a lack of knowledge about the world around you?
I could explain the definition of “blew”, but offer this instead:
Blew on Blew
Bobby Vinton
https://youtu.be/yDvuLJk9Sjc
Blew on blew, heartache on heartache
Blew on blew now that we are through
Blew on blew, heartache on heartache
And I find I can’t get over losing you
I walk along the street we used to walk
Two by two, lovers pass
And as they’re passing by, I could die
‘Cause you’re not here with me
Now the trees are bare
There’s sadness in the air
And I’m as blew as I can be
Blew on blew, heartache on heartache
Blew on blew now that we are through
Blew on blew, heartache on heartache
And I find I can’t get over losing you
Night after lonely night, we meet in dreams
As I run to your side
You wait with open arms, open arms
That now are closed to me
Through a veil of tears
Your vision disappears
And I’m as blew as I can be
Blew on blew, heartache on heartache
Blew on blew now that we are through
Blew on blew, heartache on heartache
And I find I can’t get over losing you
Blew on blew, heartache on heartache
Blew on blew now that we are through
Blew on blew, heartache on heartache
Songwriters: Hal David / Burt F. Bacharach
Blew on Blew lyrics © Warner/Chappell Music, Inc
sp. unauthorized adaptation for all Scilons.
A lot to say about nothing?
Young children’s mind with Scientology infusion… the stuff nightmares are made of. Fanaticism is created by such things. Hitter youth programs, young children chanting things over and over at school along social, political motivations or zealous religious lines, especially by some of those regimes in the Middle East. Closer to home it was observed by James Cavell in his own young daughter after a talk with her when she got home from school one day, hence the brief but very poignant short story – “The Children’s Story’. It was later made into a chilling movie. That sort of stuff is no joking matter. Hubbard and Miscavige having influence over a developing child’s mind… sick stuff indeed.
The world is as mad as a wheel in many things, such as increased military presence as “chess pieces” inserted into foreign sovereign-ties used as a political, financially motivated reasons. The never ending fight to control finance and peoples lives but some things are worth getting REALLY PISSED AT in a very personal, family oriented way – this is one of them. Another example is chemical parenting – Ritalin developed for children comes to mind.
Scientology was an actual attempt at world domination. In many ways greed did us a favor but being a casualty of it hurts like heck.
Didn’t Churchill say something along the lines of , “never has so much been done by so few for so many,” ie regarding the battle of Britain. Along that chain of thought Leah & Mike and the people they consider colleagues along the lines of understanding the real Scientology agenda and its abuse exposure for example make up the needed few. The judicial system is asleep; because it wants to be.
Hitler youth it’s meant to read – but upon reflection, no real difference, that typo works too.
This, to me, is the most insidious, repulsive aspect of this organization. I simply Cannot fathom how these people can be so ignorant and irresponsible as to subject their children to this abuse, as well as our own government turning a blind eye to it all.
This makes me want to puke. Wtf is going on? Are these children from the community or are they the children of the cult?? ??
Probably staff members’ children. They are bored while their parents are trying to get more & more money from the world…so are frequently laced into “classrooms” andmade to do “stuff!” to keep them busy. Education from the “Wog” world takes a big back step
Very, very sad. The idea of having your children babysat by culties…?
Are you being prejudice in wondering where the children are from? Children are children and are our future, are they not?
“Are you being prejudice?”
Ron H, where are you from? What country?
Lets see:
As re RON HOWARTH
:
1) Bitterly attacks and insults Mike Rinder and doesn’t answer questions
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2) Ad homs and makes wrong everyone else and doesn’t answer questions
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3) Complains bitterly that he was thwarted from delivering the Purif; blames Mike for that, even though Mike’s been gone from Scientology for over 10 years.
4) Keeps coming back to post here
5) Makes frequent spelling errors
6) Makes frequent grammatical errors only English speaking foreigners make, like leaving out the word “the”
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7) DIDN’T KNOW WHAT THE WORD “BLEW” MEANT! THAT word, of ALL words, known to EVERY Scientologist in the context in which it was used.
8) Asked that this word be EXPLAINED TO HIM – A huge No No for a Scientologist! YUGE!
9) Extremely PRO cherch with no mention of his OWN involvement.
10) NEVER CRITICIZES MISCAVIGE. OR HUBBARD
11) Criticizes using generalities
12) ASKS FOR HELP using extremely vague generalities.
13) Last but not least, posting on THIS blog NO Scientologist in good standing is permitted to even READ this blog, let alone POST on it, without OSA’s full knowledge and consent!
Did I miss anything? Please feel free to add anything I’ve missed.
As for who Ron H is and/or what he/she is, FOR NOW, based solely on the above data, I’m going with NON-Scientologist, ESL PAID OSA troll. – not a Sea Org member, not a public and not staff. Someone hired to troll here from the outside.
Look, if he’s a Sea Org member, he’d have to be a VERY NEW Sea Org member to not know what “blew” means.
Yep, that pretty much sums it up.
I also noticed that he/she will often make lots of grammatical errors, leave out words, etc. But then other posts are composed with perfect grammar.
Seems to me there’s more than one person who’s posting as “Ron H”.
You’re right! OMG I wondered about that too! But MISSED spotting it as an outpoint (which is an outpoint, lol).
Yes, I think you nailed it and “Ron Howarth” IS more than one person.
And I think that lately the “Ron H” with the poor grammar and spelling has been posting whereas when he/she first arrived the writing was as you say quite good.
Now, what gives ONE of the Rons away (to me) is his/her leaving off the definite article, or the indefinite article before a noun. Frequently foreign people will do that. English as a first language people don’t make that grammatical error.
“Do you need pencil?”, instead of “Do you need a pencil?” Or, “I like red coat better than brown coat”, .instead of “I like the red coat better than the brown coat”. “Last night we saw good movie”…you get the idea.
In my business I have contact with many foreign born English speaking people . This type of grammatical error is quite common with Russians, Poles, Czechs and others from the Easter block countries. Possibly people from other countries too but definitely from those countries. “My son wants to be fireman when he grows up.”
So I just asked Ron H directly where he’s from and got the predictable non answer andattempt to deflect.
Yeah, this is OSA, alright, taking turns. Ho hum…this was too easy…I’m losing interest.
Ron H —
You’re simply embarrassing yourself.
Ask OSA, or whoever is telling you to write this crap, and ask them what the definition of “prejudice” is.
How are you doing in life, Mike?
Very well, thank you for asking.
Application of Scientology technology undoes brainwashing. The individual learns truth by looking within.
Suggest you put out to a test by reading Self Analysis by L. Ron Hubbard and doing the mental recalls an hour or two a day for a month before you……
try to dominate the rap Jack with perverted information as you are only harming your chances to win in this weird world of lies that you are in.
You might also view the movie, “Matrix”. Blue pill or red?
If this is true, why do so many devoted scientologists believe things that are provable and demonstrably untrue. I am not talking about intangibles like whether BTs exist or if indeed man is basically good.
I am talking about the fact that orgs are empty. The “planet” is not being cleared. And Clears have no better incidence of psychosomatic illness than those around them (and I suspect those on NOTs are less healthy because they do not consult a doctor when they have pains in their bodies but instead try to get rid of the BT “being lung cancer.”)
And BTW — I happen to believe that Self Analysis is one of the best things HUbbard came up with. Taking some time to think about yourself and your attitudes and views on things is, I believe, a good thing any way you approach it.
BAM! Nailed it.
But like all fanatical $ci’s, Ron H will ignore your advice completely because he believes he knows all. Pathetic.
As re the trolls trolling here:
Foolproof at least has a brain, however intolerant and lacking in understanding of other viewpoints he can be at times.
THIS one, this Howarth character, is your basic, empty-headed, push-button bot, a stimulous/response koolaid drinker, strictly.
Nothing to learn here so far, I’m afraid.
Just read and endure.
I’m predicting that if he responds at all to this evaluation it will all be nothing but ad homs and highly generalized make wrongs, ala FreeToBeDumb Mag…read and endure.
I’m yawning just thinking about it.
Well said Mike. Even Hubbard stressed, “look don’t listen”. If the tech and more importantly the policy developed to make it work is so remarkable it sure hasn’t had any positive impact on society, any society. It does create resentment by the bucket-loads by the very people who actually spent many years studying and applying it, only to be stripped on their certificates and thrown out by doing so.
Lucky is an old man suffering from dementia. He repeats information received from other people that cannot be adequately substantiated nor defended. He lacks the personal resources to make a sentence or think a thought on his own.
Ron —
Application of the tech undoes brainwashing?? That’s cute coming from someone who’s been mind-controlled/brainwashed by $cientology.
“…world of lies…”? —-
Umm, $cientology lies daily, whether you like it or not.
And, look within? I suggest you do the same.
“Rap Jack?” I don’t understand gibberish.
Sure you do, Bix. You can understand the Scieno lingo, no? I’m a never-in and I thought I’d missed something. Thanks for letting me know it wasn’t just me. I’ve been watching for enough years to at least recognize the words, though there’s much I’ll never really understand.
He may be quoting a lyric from the Grateful Dead ( I hope not bec I love the GD and Ron Howarth is a douchebag with no independent thought). Song is called “New Speedway Boogie” and the first line is: “Please dont dominate the rap jack, if you got nothing new to say” and he does NOT heed his own advice.
Ron Howarth makes two sweeping conclusions, but he fails to support either of them with any factual arguments, or any argument at all:
A. “Application of Scientology technology undoes brainwashing.”
B. “The individual learns truth by looking within.”
Ron then suggests the way to prove his statements are correct is to – wait for it – embark on a lengthy program of brainwashing, self-administered but using the tools provided not by “looking within”, but instead provided by an outside person, L. Ron Hubbard.
Can you rely on learning truth by ‘looking within’ when your tools are those provided by someone who is so used to lies that he made lying a scriptural requirement of the religion he invented? Can you believe any statement made by any believer in the religion Hubbard invented, seeing as how they are taught that lies are perfectly fine, once they decide the conditions are right?
The conclusions A and B above are the typical reasoning of an undereducated Scientologist who seems to have little exposure to the normal methodology of critical thinking, which is to advance factual, provable arguments in support of the conclusion being promoted. If the arguments are proven correct, the conclusion stands until such time as newer arguments overturn the original ones. If the arguments are proven false, the conclusion becomes false, too. And it the arguments can neither be shown to be true or false, the conclusion stands unproven until new arguments or facts come to light.
Instead, the Scientologist way, and the Ron Howarth way, is to ask the world to turn things upside down, starting with unquestioning belief in conclusions A and B, then asking the reader to adopt a long program of Hubbardian self-brainwashing, in hopes that will somehow confuse the issues enough so that the reader falls farther and farther down Alice’s rabbit hole.
Fail for A.
Fail for B.
Fail, All.
Well, “Ron Howarth” is not a big facts guy.
Ron Howarth makes two sweeping conclusions, but he fails to support either of them with any factual arguments, or any argument at all:
A. “Application of Scientology technology undoes brainwashing.”
B. “The individual learns truth by looking within.”
Ron then suggests the way to prove his statements are correct is to – wait for it – embark on a lengthy program of brainwashing, self-administered but using the tools provided not by “looking within”, but instead provided by an outside person, L. Ron Hubbard.
Can you rely on learning truth by looking within when your tools are those provided by someone who is so used to lies that he made lying a scriptural requirement of the religion he invented? Can you believe any statement made by any believer in the religion Hubbard invented, seeing as how they are taught that lies are perfectly fine, once they decide the conditions are right?
The conclusions A and B above are the typical reasoning of an undereducated Scientologist who seems to have little exposure to the normal methodology of critical thinking, which is to advance factual, provable arguments in support of the conclusion being promoted. If the arguments are proven correct, the conclusion stands until such time as newer arguments overturn the original ones. If the arguments are proven false, the conclusion becomes false, too. And it the arguments can neither be shown to be true or false, the conclusion stands unproven until new arguments or facts come to light.
Instead, the Scientologist way, and the Ron Howarth way, is to ask the world to turn things upside down, starting with unquestioning belief in conclusions A and B, then asking the reader to adopt a long program of Hubbardian self-brainwashing, in hopes that will somehow confuse the issues enough so that the reader falls farther and farther down Alice’s rabbit hole.
Fail for A.
Fail for B.
Fail, All.
BTW, “The unexamined life is not worth living” has been attributed to Socrates, some centuries before Hubbard plagiarized it for his own writings. This short article says it better than me, and reveals the elitist underpinnings of the statement:
The article is titled “Plato, Wisdom’s folly”
Julian Baggini
The Guardian
Thu 12 May 2005 10.53 EDT
https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2005/may/12/features11.g24
Ammo Alamo – I liked the reference which I just read.
[The bulk of humankind, today and in history, has been far too busy struggling for survival to engage in lengthy philosophical analyses. So if an examined life is one in which more than just a little investigation takes place, by implication, huge swathes of humanity are ignorant beasts.]
Even if people have adequate food, clothing and shelter I think most people concern themselves with getting ahead however they define it. Before Mark Rathbun went on his anti scn cult crusade his topics stayed up for at least a few days allowing for more back and forth conversation and debate. This is a daily blog and mostly reiterates lies and stupidities coming from the COS so I’m posting on yesterday’s news but thanks for the reference.
I just couldn’t get past those sweet innocent little faces. What a sick sick sick criminal cult this is. And I say damn their parents for committing them to a life of hell.
Truer words were never spoken, Peggy.
Old Surfer Dude, what I can’t understand is unlike all of you here when you were in, now there is so much information on the internet and TV that’s so easy to just check out. When it comes to your child for heaven sake, how can you not want to know you are making a good decision about the most important person in your life?
Peggy, if I may,
Because these brainwashed Still In Scientology parents fervently believe they ARE making a ” good decision” by not letting their children “check out” anything at random about their religion.
These parents 100% believe they are doing what is best for their kids by backing up the church’s rules about such things.
By strictly NOT allowing their kids (or themselves, btw) to read about Scientology on the internet, by forbidding to NOT watch a show or news on on TV about Scientology (unless its SMP) in short. by NEVER permitting their kids to read, watch or listen to ANYTHING about the Church of Scientology that the church is not putting out about itself!
These parents believe ALL news about Scientology except that which emanates from the Church itself to be fake news.
If they want “the REAL story”.the church itself is the ONLY reliable source.
I know you’re right Aquamarine, hard to see something so preventable happen. Free will. Freedom of choice. Take responsibility for those choices. Bad things happen, some your own fault, some due to someone else making a bad decision that effects you and others.
*Just fair warning to DM…when I’m queen he can look forward to spending some quality time in my specially designed dungeon!
Tough hey?
Scientologists, please please please keep your kids away from that dangerous weirdo Hubbard.
Can you imagine if a sleazy guy like Hubbard sidled up to your kid in a playground and started his creepy hustle. You would quickly whisk your kid away and call the cops.
You all know how miserable your life is in scientology, so why would you inflict that misery on your kids.
The new lullaby
“Hush little baby don’t shed a tear
Your Mama & daddy signed you UP for a Billion Years”
“Hush little baby don’t you weep.
We sold your shoes while you were asleep.”
(Why are half of these children shoeless???)
I don’t know about anyone else, but about that age, shoes bugged me so I ‘lost’ them any chance I got. Was a bit of a problem in summer when I tried to cross the stone-and-tar streets we had at the time. I never did go shoeless enough to build up the pads some kids get (mostly 3rd world).
You might want to ask Shoeless Joe Jackson, Deborah.
Shoeless or soulless, ol surfer dude?
In your case… soulless.
https://infogalactic.com/info/Shoeless_Joe_Jackson
For your reference. You might want to use your tech better, if you don’t know something that is fairly common knowledge. Strange that I the outsider has to correct the one with a supposedly perfect memory…
Surfer Dude-
I would love to ask Joe Jackson many things, unfortunately he died in 1951.
Mr Joe Jackson received the nickname shoeless because he played a game without wearing his new Blister causing cleats!
Are you telling me the children in the picture are shoeless because they have BLISTERS?
Yes kids love to be barefoot, but isn’t the picture representing something important to the org? So why wear nice clothes without shoes?
They obviously stepped in some bullshit.
No,
They are applying, The power Formula, from the Whitecliffs Art School to Scientology,Art School ,Also did any body spot Kerrry Strongman on the Ads for the Sco Tv network, the bugger is still alive.
Granitt
How come he is still alive when I have been dead for 16 years? (According to the Freewinds.s
Do these children ever get to see there parents again. If there underage can the parents or the authority’s go get them.
Sure, if they don”t mind being declared.
Are Scientologists brainwashed?? Is that how it is held together? I believe Scientology members are brainwashed from day 1, but today this sleepy, declining organization is only being held together by peer pressure at the staff and “faithful” member level. And, for the non-faithful, non believing members but still in good standing members that are flying under the radar (UTR), this group are being held together by a fear of losing their businesses or families or both..extortion, if you will.
Only in non English speaking countries like Mexico, Taiwan, Hungary, etc… are there new faithful Scientologists born everyday. This is because the information about Scientology on the internet is mostly in English.
The staff and faithful are lost souls, but the UTR members read this and other blogs and are effectively a giant 5th column that Miscabbage just can’t get rid of no matter how many UTRs he declares…
Who are you and what are you doing?
No to answer your questions.
Is that you Dave? Yer soundin a tad erratic good buddy!
Dave? My name is Ron? Erratic? Agitated over ignorance.
Yes, you’re agitated by YOUR ignorance.
All $cientologists are ignorant of what really goes on behind closed doors or they’re in denial.
But I have serious doubts that you’re a $ci since you asked what the definition of “blew” is.
What’s the matter mighty midget? Reserves going down that now you have to rob children of their alloeance? Getting money together for another present for your best bud tc? All the money you steal cannot get you one true friend! So sad. NOT!
Resorting to name calling? Got friends?
Dave! It is you! Of course yer worried about friends. Remember, you can let Eff Pee out again and this Ron character is a bit of a dud so time to move on with a new name.
To: Ron Howarth
From:David Miscavige COB RTC
Re: your comments.
Good show, Ron! Bombs away! Show these SPs that they are powerless against the Exalted Ruler of Teegeeack and the MEST Universe! Keep up the barrage and there will be a Freedom Medal
with your name on it!
ML
Dave
To:David Miscavige COB RTC
From: Alcoboy
Re: prior warnings
You just don’t listen, do you?
Well…….
One quiet night when the evening sky was red,
Miscavige and Tom Cruise were snuggled in a ……….
Alcoboy – I think Ron H. makes a couple of valid counter points to the scn criticism here but he’s too hostile. I was thinking of a rough analogy to a devout Mormon showing up on an anti Mormon site and presenting some counter points to the criticism. It’s unlikely that he or she would go into threats about Hell and damnation.
Since we’re composing, how about this?
One quiet night when the evening sky was red,
Brigham Young with one of his many wives snuggled into bed.
Fornication commenced with great abandon
Conception occurred! The Lord’s Will commended!
Well, Richard, I, um,er, happen to be Mormon myself. I understand that you wrote the song in all good fun not being aware of my LDS membership but, in all due respect I find it offensive. Again I understand that there was no intent on your part to offend.
And as for our good ‘friend’ Mr. Howarth, he is the Scio version of some rabid anti-Mormon showing up on an LDS website and spewing venom. I still feel that he is one of those Kool-aid guzzlers who thinks that David Miscavige had the answer to everything.
To: Alcoboy
From: David Miscavige COB RTC
Re: previous comment
I DO HAVE THE ANSWER TO EVERYTHING AND YOU BETTER STOP INSULTING RON HOWARTH THIS INSTANT!
ML
Dave
To: David Miscavige COB RTC
From: Alcoboy
Re: the above
Go snuggle up with that man-wife of yours known as Tom Cruise!
No Love At All
Alcoboy
Alcoboy – I’m aware that you’re LDS from previous comments you’ve made on the blog. I’m not making the tired argument that scientology is just another wacky minority religion, but that some of the criticism borders on hate speech. It doesn’t exactly fit, but look at this topic. What’s the big deal about a bouncy castle kids party with a Way To Happiness seminar as they call it or a kids art class?
My mother put me in Sunday school when I was seven or eight years old but I got kicked out for being too rambunctious or something. They should have had a bouncy castle to let me work off some energy before they sat me down for an hour of lessons about baby Jesus.
Richard, I duplicate your comm(damn, I sound like a Scientologist!) and I agree that some, in fact, a good deal of the comments on this blog borders on hate speech, pro or con. Many times I have stated my viewpoint that I have benefited from certain parts of the tech but there are things in the church I disagree with. And out come the fangs and claws!”How dare you say anything good about that fraudster LRH and his tech!” And you’re right about the kids on the bouncy slide and the art class. If that is what this org wants to do as a children’s activity then that is their right. There may be issues in the church that need to be addressed but attacking a kids’ activity is not how to go about it.
Did I get that right?
Alcoboy – You duplicated my comm and I’m “ack’ing” you. 🙂
Brainwashing? Delusion? Or they’re just plain idiots?
What’s the difference?
Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
There you go getting all technical again – that’s the Scientology definition of a static. You know… that Thetan ‘thingo’ falls into that category (Axiom #1), surrounded by and influenced by zillions of iddy biddy little nothings all biding for the attention of a bigger nothing. So they give your body headaches and sickness like cancer etc, just to teach you a lesson of who’s boss and can “tip toe through the tulips with me” correctly (The Factors). Even Tiny Tim’s name suggests some affiliation of co-incidence with Hubbard’s dialog of such things.
One look at Hubbard’s body condition… mmmm, well… that must be covered by something like, what’s true for you is true or as you so regularly state on this blog Dude – “it’s all make believe”. However, don’t tell Puff the Magic Dragon that. He can make the Game of Thrones dragons look like pussies when he’s pissed!
Just what is a theta, spirit, élan vital or whatever name you place on self as a spiritual being? Who are you? What are you?
Ron,
Try reading reading some Mayan ,Galactic history, The book of the cube is a good one, Hubbard got it all wrong, that’s why you cant move forward spiritually
You will find out who you are? and what you are,? Cheap too! I think its about $35 us.
Per” the Law of Returning” Ron is back , Have you been talking to him lately.?
21 years is up , where is he ?I,m concerned,Hope he didn’t end up at a Implant station,I’m not saving his arse again , hes just a naughty boy.and should do amends.
Granitt.
Buzz off insect, you’ll get squished if you play around with real people. You apparently think the freedom you already have to play your games came free of charge.
OK, I softened a little – OK Bucko, define the difference between Thetan, theta, thought and static. It’s all written and explained in great detail in Hubbard’s ‘research’ on life.
Well… ??? I’ll make it easier for you, Hubbard said “oh, it’s all terribly workable…” (why) – finish his sentence.
This sh*t makes me sick.
The two things that make me the most angry and sad are disconnection and child sexual abuse/hard labor/ treating them like they’re adults, etc.
Damn this cult to the depths of hell…. if it exists.
That’s right Katherine when it comes to children scientologists totally listen to Hubbards advice. I saw my grandchild being given that crap milk, calmag, protien powder etc & when i questioned it, because i was not ‘on course’, i was told by the parent i was not qualified to make comment. Seriously brainwashed is an under statement.
What was it specifically that you questioned?
“I saw my grandchild being given that crap milk, calmag, protein powder etc & when i questioned it, because i was not “on course”, i was told by the parent i was not qualified to make a comment.”
Yo Ron H –
Is there a word or a symbol here that you do not fully understand?
I think its time for you to apply some word clearing tech, don’t you?
Now, be a good Scientologist and get out those dictionaries!
FIND YOUR WORD………………..good buddy!!!!!!!
Looking at those little kids proudly holding up their certs really got to me. They have no idea what they’re in for. I hope they survive.
I was raised without any indoctrination into any religion. Mom figured God is where you find him and In the 1950’s she dragged Dad to church on Christmas and Easter to prove he wasn’t a heathen.
Other people have stories about how they were raised in fundamentalist religions or cults and eventually escaped. The internet might be a friend which helps children open their minds as they age. Even before the internet some people on the blogs have said that as children they realized their parents were stuck in a belief and they played along since they were dependent.
Most people have a well developed sense of self by the time they reach adolescence and for some people it’s earlier. People have always raised their children in their chosen religion figuring it’s setting them on the “right path”. I read somewhere that the sea org now requires that someone must be at least sixteen years old and have a high school diploma or equivalent to be recruited so there is some hope, little though it may be, of reform in scn as it declines into a tight knit group of fundamentalists under DM.
“One Nation, under God, Allah, Vishnu, No one, with liberty and justice for all.”
My parents raised me in their religion but always told me it was my decision whether to stay or go. Once I was about 17, I stopped going. They never made an issue of it. That’s how it should be.
If only $cientology could take note. Yeah, right. Not gonna hold my breath….
If you held did hold your breath what would be the result?
Who is making the issue anyway? Would dat be you?
Are you not capable of reading comprehension?
As I said, my parents didn’t have an issue with me leaving their church. It clearly wasn’t me who made an issue out of it. You’d know that if you weren’t so busy trying to attack everyone with nonsense.
Did you seriously just say “dat”??
Careful. Your mask is coming off.
Richard, great sentiment.
“God is where you find him”
Or Her. ?