Here is the latest (hushmail) message to the Flag OT Committee from Jessica Selva “Flag Service Organization” (don’t know what her post is).
HOW TO HANDLE BLACK PROPAGANDA
23 March 2014On Sunday, we will be hosting this important seminar.It will be held in the Fort Harrison Ballroom on the 10th Floor.A thorough drilling will take place at 1:30 to 3:30 PM, led by persons from the Office of Special Affairs
There is only one message this sends.
We are being bombarded with “entheta” and are trying desperately to “handle.”
No doubt the first step of this “seminar” by unknown “Office of Special Affairs” people will be to explain the “crimes” of Sara and Shel Goldberg and Mary Kahn (probably with a sidebar about me). They are “part of a squirrel group” and “circulated rumors about senior Scientologists” and “support Anonymous who made death threats against church members” and “Marty Rathbun who is an agent of the German Government.”
Panic in COB’s Palace. He is out trying to patch up things with the city. Internally they are trying to patch up the bullet holes that have passed through the OT Committee and field in general with the latest public departures of proiminent OT VIII’s who have had enough of the bs.
MJ….agreed, re Gavino being a wimp. Kalergis was pretty screwed up by the end due to “helping OSA”. He WAS a cool guy, years ago.
Re “Magoo”….it’s a nickname I had for my Dad- due to his tiny eyes, and he loving humor, including Mr Magoo. My Dad died when I was 22, at the young age of 52. He was a Pro football player, playing for the Chicago Cardinals. #44. So when I began to wake up…in July of 2000…I had NO ONE to talk with about this. BUT, I could feel my Dad’s spirit saying “DO IT! Just DO IT!!”
He was always very kind and courageous…so I decided I had better keep him around, or at least a reminder of him. Thus ToryMagoo44 for my YouTube account, and Twitter, (and some e-mails) as well as “Magoo” as a short cut. So there’s the story, morning glory 🙂 Thanks for asking 🙂 Tory/Magoo << see? A reminder, right there.
Thanks Tory for the very interesting back story. Having a catchy name helps identify and makes it easy to remember. MJ is derived from my first and middle initials – Michael Joseph. Cheers. 😉
The english language has a basic error in its grammar. To make it more correct could kill some time.
If one is one one and two are two ones or more ones.
If one “is” and they are, you are they because one is.
If “one is” is a singularity,why are “you” a plurality?
To be a “You” is to be two ones or more ones.
“You is” is a much better grammar than “you are”
You Tory believed in Love, peace and understanding and you was love, peace and understanding.
The three commands to run on unreal selling bullshit is:
1. Get real.
2. Be real.
3. Stay real
It could be a bestseller giving more than a penny/word If it’s written by someone other else than me. I make fairytales for adults with a lot of fucking in the stories.
Much Love, Roger Larsson
Hey Mike R: Were you ever aware of or part of the “Top Secret OSA Int Internet” Mafia (as I call it)?
I was (roped in by my then auditor and good friend, Bill Yaude, who of course lied to me.
FTR, these are their 3 Goals, as told to me by Bill Yaude (who ran the OSA volunteers for this project re communications on the Net)…. right before I FULLY woke up and escaped, forever out of $cientology:
“1) Distract off of ANY and ALL communications they do NOT want seen or known about.
2) Degrade ANY ex-Scientologists speaking out, Scientologists posting “bad” things on the Net, Critics, and/or Anonymous (This includes “Divide and Conquer”…working on getting critics in fights w/ each other)
3) SLIME THE ENTIRE AREA W/ JUNK So people do NOT want to even put their name on the site”
If you see 1, 2 or 3…KEEP POSTING FACTS 🙂 That is one thing they (the phony, fraudulent business pretending to be a “church”/$cientology) CANNOT handle.
My best 🙂
Tory/Magoo
Thanks Tory. Yes, I have heard about this and know of Bill Yaude. He was run by a number of people — mostly Gavino Idda, but also Neal O’Riley and Charlie Earle, maybe Frits Kavenaar too. It was an effort to “bury” internet criticism and critics.
Gavino Idda – don’t get me started.
I hear ya, MJ. I have to actually thank Gavino Idda—as I am FREE and OUT of the “church” mainly due to HIM, and Bill Yaude.
Yaude had me opening up these phony internet e-mail accounts, saying he was using them to “handle the critics” on the Net. Due to watching Nancy Many go nutz, and Bill telling me “This is ALL because she was reading the Internet”…I was terrified to even LOOK at the Net.
However, due to Gavino acting SO much like a “Mafia member”…and I having grown up in
Chicago around some of the mafia…I began to wonder: “Did David Miscavige HIRE a hit man
to get rid of these critics? With that..I finally went and LOOKED on the Net. That day OSA had spammed baking recipes…and in between were people posting:
“I DID NOT WRITE THIS: OSA IS CHANGING MY WORDS”
Once I realized these phony accounts Bill had me opening were NOT to “handle the critics” as he had told me, but to STOP FREE SPEECH, really. I told him I could no longer do this. So he said, “Fine–just meet us in Glendale at this apt. I did, walked in to a dimly lit apt with 5-6 big men. (Jim Kulerges and a few others. Something seemed *odd*. I was still, at this time, a “True believer”.
This changed my life, forever: Suddenly the door SLAMMED open.
IN dashed Gavino w/ Yaude next to him and he yelling: “I TOLD YOU ABOUT *HER*!
“I WARNED YOU ABOUT HER!”
This was serious Treason for me. Bill was then one of my best friends, and my auditor.
“HE TOLD YOU WHAT?”
This went on….this spiritual rape by these men, for at least one hour.
I finally burst out crying and ran out.
Bill KNEW that second he had seriously screwed up, and he came running after me.
BUT—–I told him: “GET AWAY FROM ME!”
That was *really* THE Second I left the ‘church” of $cientology.
It took me another 6 months or so to fully wake up..and escape out…
but Gavino pushed me into a darkness I’ll never forget. (And I’ll always
thank him for that!)
Sorry it’s so long…..but hey, if it helps *one* person, it’s worth all the others complaining 🙂
Best,
Tory/Magoo
Some sick shit Tory, but coming from Gavino I’m not at all surprised. If I ever see that wimp, there’s no telling what I might do to him. Jim Kalergis was a cool guy. What happened with him? And is magoo a reference to the famous Mr. Magoo? Used to love him as a kid.
Jim Kalergis started doing lectures again at the orgs as of about 6 months ago or so. I was so disappointed to see that he was still in. I’m hoping he gets out soon.
His, “Lucky Guy” story about how to win in Las Vegas was always his funniest story. “Just BE a lucky guy…”
THOROUGH drilling eh? ooooooooooooo! OSA is mad, it’s so scary, I think I’ll order a pizza.
It would not surprise me if this is a reg event. For the last many years, before I left, not a single public call-in, even for something like this, was squandered. All were turned into reg events where people were fed all the scary problems where the solution was either, book packages, donos to the IAS or the Ideal Orgs.
On topic though, the flier is conspicuously missing the usual spin. Looks like the decided not to dare say, “Due to our meteoric expansion, the squirrels are howling. Come in and learn how to handle Black PR and rocket your way up the Bridge….blah, blah, blah.”
Their responses are getting weaker and weaker.
There are no words… This OSA briefing is what Epic Fail looks like when it achieves singilarity.
The Fail has become so Failtastic that space-time has been disrupted around the cult, and formed a vortex from which any remaining member with two connected brain cells (who can read and understand English) should be trying to blow as we speak. Then we need ESMB’s Udarnik to make up some 866-XSEA-ORG memes in Russian for the other 80%.
Marty’s working for the Germans?
Damn! I had no idea.
A reliable source whose great grandfather worked for Himmel in 1939, leaked this information to a friend of a friend. That’s all I can say at this point.
Sorry it was Himmler. Hope that clears it all up.
Ha! I think you nailed it. As soon as all those suckers get in the room, they’re gonna lock the doors, just like at one of those reg-fest events, and gang-bang sec check everyone! WTF else would OSA be doing there??
If Miscavige wants to make nice with the City of Clearwater, he should hold a town meeting, open to everybody. The Goldbergs should be on the panels, since they have an ongoing official relationship with the city. This is the way sane people create a good relationship between governmental bodies and churches or other community groups. Instead, Miscavige will probably continue to target the Goldbergs, will offer money for some “city project,” and will continue to break laws that he considers “beneath him.”
The irony is, from what I can tell, without offering any money, the Goldbergs are liked and respected by the City of Clearwater. And people in Clearwater view Miscavige, who throws money and lies at every problem, with suspicion and/or disdain.
Still on your side says: ” This is the way sane people create a good relationship between governmental bodies and churches or other community groups.”
First: Still on whose side?
Secondly….the oxymoron’s in that are too fierce (and funny) to take up typing.
A) This is the way Sane people…. REALLY? And you think for a second “Dave” might fit in that?
B) “churches” $cientology is not a “church”. It is a fraudulent, phony business PRETENDING to be a “church” while fleecing people, hourly.
Sorry, I just had to mention those points. 🙂 🙂
They are trying to stop the truth – good luck with that!
Others have tried that before – it never worked.
How to handle Black Propaganda ?
TELL THE TRUTH !
OSA is following the old Pontius Pilate line – “What is truth?”
How much pressure will Miscavige bring to bear on his remaining minions? What irrational actions will those minions take as a result of that pressure?
How much pressure will Miscavige apply to his hired guns (security personnel, private investigators, lawyers) and what will he order them to do?
How bad, weird and irrational does this get before it ends?
“For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled.”
Richard Feynman
Per a Real Estate agent in Clearwater, that Scientologists like to use, the number of OTs trying to sell out and leave town is straight up and vertical.
At one point around 2009/10 an RE agent in Clw told me that in about a year and a half he had done about 130 short sales and that almost 90 of them were Scientologists. Many were fleeing the community for both financial and spiritual reasons. It was a serious exodus.
Too many foot bullets. Time to amputate.
How to handle “Black PR”:
1. You have two index fingers and two ears.
2. You have two hands and two eyes.
They’ve got to do what they’ve got to do. They are tied to a programme they cannot rethink. As they lose touch with reality, their half-truths and lies will become increasingly transparent and blatant, like a child who thinks he is very clever and fooled you, but you can see right through him.
This is why I believe the die-hards would need a long decompression period in a non-Scientology environment before continuing any form of Scientology when this is over. Otherwise they will just go right on re-enacting the drama.
Here is an alternative to receiving “a thorough drilling”…….
(1) Do a communication course and learn to listen to others and understand what they are saying, clarifying as necessary without invalidating or evaluating for the person who is speaking to you.
(2) Acknowledge what they say to you.
(3) Originate a sequitur communication (on the same subject) to the person who just spoke to you.
(4) Continue until you have both reached a point of increased mutual understanding.
This is a rough description of two-way communication. Try it, OT committee members. It is the “OT thing” to do.
But, remember, you must actually listen to others and understand what you are hearing without eval or inval. Try it, OT committee members!
how can an OT8 even be declared?
by scientology’s own philosophy, by the standards of the tech itself it’s not possible.
what ALL these OT8s falsely attested? then WTF is FLAG and the FREEWINDS doing!!!!!
if flag has their ethics and standards in then these we’re “real” OT8s, and so they are the most ethical people and could not possibly be suppressive.
or FLAG is not KSW because they allow so many false attests.
if FLAG is not KSW then miscavige is not KSW.
it’s that simple from any side of the street you look at it.
How can an OT 8 NOT get declared?
Whitestar,
You’re missing the entire point of an SP declare. They have NEVER been about what the Bulletins & PL says they are about. SP Declares have only ever been about getting rid of people that Hubbard/Miscavage/CoS does not like anymore.
Ethics gradients were always a smoke screen
i understand how and why it’s used. my point was to point out that it’s illogical on the face of it.
Thanks for that WhiteStar.
I haven’t been reading the comments much on the various blogs lately; with the 1000s of individual posters on all of them, I have trouble placing nicknames sometimes. I didn’t recognise you and assumed you might be relatively new; wrong assumption as it turns out 🙂
How do you know this?
Simple extrapolation. Show me one, just one, SP declare where the list of high crimes committed is a) proven and b) fully correct as per the relevant Hubbard issue.
How to Handle Black Propaganda?
Fire that useless little prick David Miscavige ~lol
What could be easier?
SO members seem to be the dumbest race on the whole damn planet!
Phil de Fontenay
Hmmmm….I wonder if there will be some sec checking as part of the thorough drilling? After all, someone is leaking all this stuff to Mike. They must be desperate to find out who it is!
Why doesn’t some group _in_ the Church just get the cajones to throw a coup — get the masters at arms, go grab Miscavige, run him through a gangbang sec check, lock him in the hole, put him in RPFs RPFs RPFs RPF (innermost circle of hell) and assign him one billion years of amends after he gets out of lower conditions?
Really, we are such obvious social apes afraid to break whatever social order we are in it is pathetic. What happens is that the pressure builds up until the dam breaks and an easy fix becomes the need for a revolution.
David Miscavige is now Marie Antoinette, not recognizing that the gleaming blade of truth above his neck is not going to go away. Each lie he tells — and forces others to tell — only sharpens the metaphorical blade.
As far as religions go, Scientology could be a decent one if it sheds all cult attributes and ditches the unworkable parts.
Cheap advice to the sheeple – GROW SOME BALLS! (NB: applies to women too)
They can only lie so long and at some point the lies will become unbelievable to even the most brainwashed.
The “cocoon of ignorance” will get smaller and smaller and at some point burst.
I salute all those people who have the guts and intestinal fortitude to make a stand on exposing the truth in whatever way they can.
OSA (I know you’re reading this)….Please do us a favor and DRILL your “OT’s (LOL) on how to *honestly* answer questions, vs their never ending, utterly pathetic “Always attack, never defend”, once they find themselves backed into a corner.This has been and IS an UTTER FAIL!
Here is a brief story about my running into OT 8, Ed Bryan, and what followed. I hope you enjoy it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0f0hXjQDuE&list=UU__gcXYVQlmVocNLZykibUw
My best to all here 🙂
Tory/Magoo
A special message to the OT Committee guys:
HOW MUCH MORE PATHETIC ARE YOU GUYS GONNA GET?? SINCE INTIMIDATION AND BULLYING IS WHAT GETS THROUGH TO YOU, GET THIS:
YOUR STATS SUCK! YOU KNOW IT, AND YOU STILL ARE SO COWED AND OUT-INTEGRITY THAT YOU REVERSE IT AND CONVINCE YOURSELVES YOU ARE STANDING TALL WHEN YOU ARE IN FACT COMPLETE PUSH-OVERS AND FAILURES.
YOUR STATS SUCK BECAUSE YOU DON’T WANT TO DO IT ANYMORE. YOU KNOW YOU ARE FAILING AND YOU’RE JUST GOING THROUGH PROPITIATIVE MOTIONS. GROW A PAIR AND WALK THE F___ OUT.
YOU’LL FEEL A HECK OF A LOT BETTER AND YOU’LL KEEP WHATEVER’S LEFT OF YOUR PERSONAL FINANCES AND RE-GROW SOME INTEGRITY SO YOU CAN GET A LIFE.
Much much much much much much much love, (See anything wrong with this??)
da gato
To the OSA ladies who see what’s going on here. “COB” IS busting heads and the disappeared people ARE in the hole or declared. You know I love you’s. Tomorrow, on your lunch, go to the bank, take out all of your money, take a waved down cab (not one you arranged on the phone) to the airport and get the first flight to your home town or country. Someplace where you have backup.
Don’t tell anybody you’re going to do it unless you have to have someone send you money.
Get out now. It’s only going to get worse. Don’t sit around and think about it, just do it now so you’re safe. See you on the other side.
If you think I might be talking to you, I am. Get up and move like Neo in the matrix. It’s coming.
Here is the live demo. Get up. Get out. Do it right so you don’t get caught. Ready? The phone is ringing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lweuy1X9Tcg
Or maybe you like the water a little better. 😉 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHc-bPNI1BM
You won’t be the first… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auj6afZEvtE
“Hmmmm. Let’s seeeee. In my happy little world, I just have to use one finger to stop the “suppression” by the SPs of the world. Which one shall I choose? Eeny meeny miney moe.” Note that this pic was from 1986. http://s2.dmcdn.net/CX4oq/x240-7Zg.jpg
But this is NOW, baby. Get ready for a new, orange suit, Davey. The law is comin’ to getcha. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_sf-Z9gGBOZw/SkEhuZ1j2DI/AAAAAAAAAZ0/OsUWbjD7Et4/s320/desk2.png
Can someone please explain what happens when a “thorough drilling” takes place? What would typically happen in this type of meeting? They are getting ready for the fallout from Marty’s Australian appearance no doubt.
It must be driving the little one CRAZY that he cannot stop the information from being nearly instantly leaked!
Yeah, interesting use of the word “thorough”.
Supervisor: “So – we all understand Mike Rinder’s Blog is all lies – right?
RIGHT? DID YOU GET THAT? NO? FLUNK!!! Repeat: MIKE RINDER’S BLOG IS ALL LIES… DID YOU GET IT NOW??? NO??? PICK UP THE CANS…”
So Miscarriage is in town talking with the City and negotiating a real estate deal. Oh my! The PR and Land Acquisition divisions of the org are being bypassed and put in danger. LRH never did this; all the property acquisitions were handled by the GO. LRH couldn’t be bothered. In the Monique Rathbun case it is professed that Miscarriage is the ecclesiastical leader and has nothing to do with the day-to-day business of the chruch. Once again his actions in the physical universe disclose him for the liar he is.
How to handle black PR. Hand out a PR pack on what the church is doing in the community. Hence problem A. The church isn’t doing anything.
This is great news. In light of the recent official COS statements in response to the various controversies hitting the “church”, there’s obviously no chick on the planet that could use a “thorough drilling” as much as Karin Pouw.
I wonder if the “thorough drilling” will involve coaching on how to defend the church — or at least derail the discussion — in comment threads like those in the Tampa Bay Times lately.
I’ve been struck by the feebleness of the church’s efforts there. It’s got to be killing them to see prominent articles by Joe Childs and his colleagues, followed by comments piling on the J&D, and only ineffectual cultish efforts to deflect the conversation into pointless off-topic arguments.
This would be a two-edged sword, of course. Jumping into comment threads would entail reading the article in question first. And that might lead to clicking on other links, discovering The Truth Rundown, and maybe having an inconvenient cognition.
“You can say it is just opinion — your right. However, if they were real, they could be proven scientifically. The burden of proof (or at least strong evidence) is on those making the claim of the existence of engrams and BTs.
And anecdotal, subjective evidence counts primarily as belief, not proof. Fine for a religion, but then any religion can claim that Mother Mary, Krishna, the Nation of Islam Wheel (mothership), the Hale-Bopp spaceship, Area 51, demons, gods, devils, jinn, angels, you name it — are “true, real phenomena.”
What we learn more and more about the mind is that personal or group conviction that something is true is perhaps the weakest, not the strongest, evidence that can be mustered.
I’m not meaning to put down the outcomes of auditing. I have applied and received auditing to good effect. However, I recognize that I do not necessarily understand scientifically _why_ it can work.”
You have much more faith in the “scientific” community than I do:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVmtrKF0YHE
“Standard Tech” is not comparable to “The Nation of Islam Wheel” or “Area 51”.
This is pretty obvious.
“What we learn more and more about the mind is that personal or group conviction that something is true is perhaps the weakest, not the strongest, evidence that can be mustered.”
“We?” Why the royal “we”? A bunch of academics sitting around (at taxpayer expense) guessing at what is wrong with the world. Give me a break.
We may disagree but outside the church we can discuss these things. I wish you well with any future auditing you may receive..
There would be little or no black propaganda had the church (DM) long ago adopted a more humble stance and simply got on with the business of training excellent auditors and producing satisfied individuals on the receiving end of the auditing.
The formula was really very simply, full of promise and well laid out. Apparently the simplicity of the products the church was supposed to produce was too clear and defined so all sorts of additives had to be heaped all over them to make it ……well….…I don’t know what……?
The “additives” are essential control mechanisms to keep people paying despite the product being fraudulent because engrams and body thetans don’t exist, and the results being either non-existent or mere phantoms of the imagination because Clears and OTs don’t exist. DM’s Scientology is just Ron’s con run by a less talented con man.
“engrams and body thetans don’t exist”
You’re certainly entitled to your own opinions, but keep in mind they are opinions.
Engrams and body thetans do exist, Try auditing a particular nasty one out and notice the wonderful feeling of relief, or better yet get one keyed-in with no way to handle it .
They are real, OTs and Clears, too — my opinion.
You can say it is just opinion — your right. However, if they were real, they could be proven scientifically. The burden of proof (or at least strong evidence) is on those making the claim of the existence of engrams and BTs.
And anecdotal, subjective evidence counts primarily as belief, not proof. Fine for a religion, but then any religion can claim that Mother Mary, Krishna, the Nation of Islam Wheel (mothership), the Hale-Bopp spaceship, Area 51, demons, gods, devils, jinn, angels, you name it — are “true, real phenomena.”
What we learn more and more about the mind is that personal or group conviction that something is true is perhaps the weakest, not the strongest, evidence that can be mustered.
I’m not meaning to put down the outcomes of auditing. I have applied and received auditing to good effect. However, I recognize that I do not necessarily understand scientifically _why_ it can work.
@ Ashaman
+ 1
“We are being bombarded with “entheta” and are trying desperately to “handle.””
———————-
We are being bombarded with “the truth” and we are trying desperately to “deceive”
Fixed it for you Mike.
LOL
Holy shit! Love it,
“A thorough drilling will take place…”
That phrase really jumps out and gives me the shivers. It reminds me of trying to get past the blocked doors manned by regges and recruiters after an ‘event’ or ‘briefing’ when I was an OOT at Flag in the 80s. That’s the kind of drilling that no one needs. It was brutal back then and if reports coming into critic’s sites are to be believed it has gotten exponentially worse these days. One would have to wonder why, if something is so good, would such high pressure tactics be required on a regular basis. Something of REAL value sells itself.
“A thorough drilling will take place.”
I actually saw that movie at a bachelor party a few years ago…..
Wow – that’s kind of cool
Obviously we are all creating an effect
Axiom 10, baby
Like I said last week
They f’d with the wrong marines
And u certainly don’t mess with a mother and her cubs
If Dave the Doorstop is in town maybe he will swing by and assure the nervous herd that all is not truly rotten in Denmark ……………… only in Clearwater where the picture is getting steadily murkier.
Oxymoron Kathy True will likely show up as well to spread some special lies about the Goldbergs, the Kahns, the Rinders and other folks who have reached the top of the bridge and exercise the freedom to say what they have observed.
The bell just rang for the 15th round of this ‘Rocky Balboa’ epic. Dave the Doorstop is wincing in pain as each new SP steps into the fray.
Yo Dave, Your face is getting close to the canvas bro. Make no mistake, this will not end in a decision…..it is going to be a TKO.
+ 100
Sara and Shel,
You guys rock!!!
How do you spell DESPERATION? Maybe that will be the new Flag World Tour theme and Barbara Dews can be the lead singer.
Wow! It must be terrible to live in CW and try to stay out of the fray! Sidenote, after I left the “Church” the Denver field was told that I was a friend of Marc Headley, whom was the head of Anonymous and Anonymous was funded by the Pychs.
EVERY person that speaks out helps get more and more people out of crazyland and most importantly, gets our family back to us. Thank you Sara, Sheldon and Mary!
Everyone knows the leader of Anonymous is Tommy Davis, and that it is entirely funded by Lulz.
😀
Whoa, hold the phone there. This cannot be- OSA doing a lecture on how to handle Black Propoganda??? This is a huge problem because what if people notice that all the nasty stuff they are saying about Sara and Sheldon and Mary is, opps, Black Propoganda itself? How will that play out? What if attendees realize that a lot of “handling black propoganda” is sleazy lying to cover up the ugly truth of Scientology disconnection?I guess this is why the are doing a lecture rather than just have people read the applicable reference.
And what about OSAs statements to the press about Leah “self absorbed” and Paul Haggis “has-been”? Are they going to tell people how to handle the antagonism that created? I think not.
This lecture is purpotedly about black propaganda but more likely it will be an indoctrination and threat session to scare OT Committe members shitless about the idea of reading the internet or talking to anyone who is not on Kool Aide IV and then a VERY thorough drilling in order to keep a straight face saying shit like “there is no such thing as disconnection” and “we respect people right to persue their own beliefs” and other hypocritical lying sack-of-shit type stuff.
+ 1 🙂 All foot nuke’s in the making. Stuck flow, flowing ever harder.
Roy!! You made me LAUUUUUGHHHH so HARD! Totally. The smart ones will say, “Heyyyyyyyy…”
And that’s right. Here’s what OSA might say…”There is no such thing as disconnection, so, if you guys so much as LOOK at the internet for more than accessing your usual email and spreading propaganda on Facebook about people who left, you are OUTTA HERE!! And don’t think that anybody’s gonna talk to you, ever again!! Got it??? You’d better! Now have a theta day!!”
“What if attendees realize that a lot of “handling black propoganda” is sleazy lying to cover up the ugly truth of Scientology disconnection?I guess this is why the are doing a lecture rather than just have people read the applicable reference.”
Well, the real problem is that the applicable reference says that black propaganda is FALSE information.
It also says to disprove the lies.
This does not work in the face of truth.
The church has redefined “black propaganda” as being anything that is said they don’t like.
Scientology has changed from the science of certainties to the art of arbitraries.
Isn’t that just so generous of OSA to give us their valuable time? Such dedication. True kool-aid drinkers.
OSA’s dead agent materials were very key in swinging me over to the “dark side.” The Freedom Mags and WhoIsSoandSo.com websites were so rife with outpoints and generalities, whereas the accounts of abuses from Co$ victims were so detailed and corroborated, that it was completely obvious who the white hats were. They are foisted on their own petard. Good luck with that BPR drilling.
There is a ton of PR going around inside the bubble and also a ton of DA packs about the latest people leaving the church. What COB does not seem to understand is that there are not enough band-aids left in his first aid kit to cover up all the holes of truth that people out here are making. Long Live The Internet!
What’s special about this communication is that it is almost entirely devoid of cult jargon.
They don’t need a whole seminar – they can do it in 5 minutes flat:
1. Lie
2. Deny
3. Attack, Attack, Attack
Voila! – ok, you can all go home now.
I remember when I still had a toe in the door, I tried discussing what I had discovered “on the dark side” with the Joburg Org LC. She fobbed me off with the thought-stopping statement “Mike and Marty are being hired and paid by the Psychs”. As if THAT was going to handle me after all I had read/seen/heard etc.
I saw with some mirth today one of the regular commenters on the South African blog said the EXACT SAME thing is being said about the guys running the South African back-in-comm blog – hired and paid by the Psychs. ROTFL.
I can just picture Psychs around the world attending a seminar: “How to successfully manage and direct ex-Scientologists to run an anti-RCS blog”.
Well spotted bp , the lies are nuts the weather is magic in SA , dogballeros
If the church really wants to do a seminar on How to Handle Black PR, then they have to actually read the LRH on it and DO what he says to do: find a safe space and speak out and also show proof and docs that will disprove the black pr false statement made.
This last part is one I never see done nowadays. If the church could have shown me any proof that the statements were false, I’d probably still be in the church today.
They can’t show proof to disprove the lies because the “lies” are actually true! Notice that they have never tried to disprove anything in Marty’s, Jeff, Jenna’s, Marc, Janet, and others’ books? Never did they sue for libel or slander on anything said in the books, even though the church has a penchant for suing foes? They didn’t sue because they know that what was said in the books was true!
So they try to stop the black pr avalanche by doing some black pr themselves of the horrible SP’s. This is the Dead Agent packs where lies are made up about Marty, Mike, Karen, et al. Their handling for black pr is to smear the reputation of the target. Although Ron said to investigate and find dirt on people, he NEVER said to make up dirt on people and to just lie and ruin someone’s reputation based on lies. This is Black Dianetics and Black PR as invented by David Miscavage.
I laugh when I hear “we’ll drill on how to handle Black PR.” They will give them squirrel lies to slander with. And it proves that DM and the church are scared to death of all the exposes coming out on the internet, the news, in magazines, on TV etc — they are running scared.
They ain’t seen nothin’ yet.
Makes sense after the last article from Tampa Bay:
http://tbtpics.tampabay.com/opinion/columns/ruth-a-so-called-religion-shuns-a-truth-seeker/2171332
But as I noted before, they are creating their own bad PR; if they want any good responses they should act with respect toward others’ peoples lives and beliefs.
They attack, well that is the public response to it; expose their abuses. Is up to them really. And no matter how many seminars they do, until their cruelty and buses cease the bullets will keep going.
That was an amazing article. This person writes with a great strength and clear ideas on the baffonery of promising freedom and then punishing it ha ha…………. Idiotic
Agree. I like that quote from his article,
“You might say the one thing that Adam & Eve and Scientology have in common is the tempting Apple”. Lol.
Looks like I am missing some background here.
Just like when they rumor around SP declares, the crimes of COB are spreading.