According to the good people at AOSHUK, there 6,800 Sea Org members on earth.
This is of course a high number — every number scientology proffers is inflated. It is just how things are done.
But let us take their hype figures at face value. Even they admit that every SO member is going to be responsible for clearing more than 1 million people. ONE MILLION.
They have not cleared 100,000 people with ALL Sea Org members and all staff in 73 YEARS. They are so far in left field they are not even in the same country, let alone the stadium.
If we give them the benefit of the doubt and say they have made 100,000 Clears and there are 5,000 SO members (just for ease of the math as the orders of magnitude are not any different) — then each SO member has made 20 Clears in 75 years. At that rate, To make a million each, it will take 1,000,000 divide by 20 times 75 years to accomplish. That is 3,730,000 YEARS to achieve this objective. If they expanded the Sea Org by 10 times, to 50,000 SO members tomorrow, it would still take 373,000 YEARS to achieve their goal.
The delusion runs VERY deep in scientology…
Although they miraculously managed to reach them all, the answer in most cases would be a raspberry. The world and its priorities change continuously and faster and faster, and with this the people consciousness. Scn doesn’t have any helpful answers they need.
Among other things I think this is a bad promo (which they often use for recruitment) where they are shooting themselves in the foot. Anyone would like to do a little math like Mike did and realize how they are actually adrift lost in outer space.
@ Mike,
Really, Mike, I think you’re being so…defeatist, you know? All these facts and figures, all this math! Its just defeatism and excuses and reasons why. I mean, come on, where is your Spirit of Play? You’re not giving Sea Org members a fair shake, theta-power-wise! Their shoulders-to-the-wheel, can-do postulates work miracles EVERY DAY but you’ll NEVER hear about any of it in the Main Stream Chaos Merchant Media! Let me give you an idea of the concept of a can-do person, since you’ve been in the wog world for so long, and have lost touch with the concept of THETA POWER. Let me illustrate my point by referring you to John Wayne. Yes, John Wayne in that western film, back in the day, when he’s riding the range with his lesser-being sidekick, and all of a sudden they’re surrounded by angry, whooping, woggy, war-painted and very low toned Native Americans. Of course the side-kick is terrified, but Wayne? No way. He knows his power. He knows he’s a Big Being who can Make Things Go Right. He turns to his fraidy-cat friend and drawls, “There are 8 thousand Indians out there…and 2 of us. I reckon that’ll be enough”. Do you see, Mike? THAT is Spirit of Play! You’re talking numbers…what are numbers up against the Power of Theta? Think about it!
Much love,
Dave
PS: I haven’t given up on you, by the way. I still postulate that you’ll come back to me. Oh, and Lou says hello. But she doesn’t look happy so I better get off the internet before she kicks my ass… again. She’s a Black Belt, you know. I love it but damned if she doesn’t get careless with the bruises she belts out…OW!…not the face, Lou! I gotta ribbon cutting coming up…Ow!….Gotta go, Mike!
There’s nearly more Sea Org than public these days. A big sign of a dying cult.
Cayden, I think realistic figures would be around 1:4. But then it could be 1:2 if local staff were added to Sea Org numbers, for total employee to “public” numbers – still a bizarrely high level of overhead.
Figuring that Scientology was probably once something like 4 times the size it is now, but likely never had more than 2 times the number of Sea Org it currently does, there would have been a time when the proportion was lower – but not all that much so. And going back decades to that point in time, there are reports of huge staffs at orgs and missions, so the total employee to member ratio may still have been something like 1:3.
Those are my best estimates, anyway, having seen a lot of information over time. If anyone thinks they are significantly off, I’d be interested to hear.
I think Miscavige has figured out that he doesn’t need public any more, really. He needs Sea Org slaves and skeleton crew Cl V org staff to man up in a minimal way the CL V orgs but except for show right before the ribbon cutting of some new Ideal Morgue he doesn’t need much Cl V org staff. They’re not auditing people they’re not training people in these orgs, after all. And of course he needs his Whales who give him the huge straight donos. So to recap: he needs SO slaves, minimal CL V staff, and his deep pocket Whales. But ordinary public? In the Academies, public course rooms and HGCs? They’ve dwindled a lot and will continue to dwindle, and since the Cult’s name is mud they won’t be replaced and he knows that doesn’t care. He doesn’t need much public, for his ACTUAL purposes and plans. Indeed, floods of new public would be a huge problem for him. Lots of new public are exactly what he doesn’t need or want and would screw up his actual agenda. That’s my 2 cents.
Aqua, I think DM needs “public” to put on a show for the “whales,” plus to provide recruits for the Sea Org – but otherwise you may be right that he doesn’t consider them important. I wonder if he even looks down on them as sort of “degraded beings” who haven’t succeeded the way the rich “whales” have – which I think would ultimately fit with how Hubbard viewed the “little people.”
Interesting!
“…to put on a show for the Whales, and to provide recruits for the Sea Org -”
So, regular, non-whale public Scientologists DO have their uses in orgs nowadays! And there ARE still specific purposes for their presence in HGCs and courserooms!
And here I thought COB didn’t need them or want them or care about them at all any more!
Thanks for genning me in, Peacemaker.
I’ve been unfair to him, I misspoke, and I now owe DM a sincere apology for these bad assumptions of mine!
I’ll get right on that 🙂
I reckon that they would be pushing it to scrape together 2,500 in total.
I’ve got the solution:
When a Scientologist gets trained on the
“NEW TELEPATHIC OT GROUP PROCESSING COURSE” delivered only on the FREEWINDS,
and gain the skills to run TELEPATHIC GROUP CLEARING commands telepathically to a country of their choice, and telepathically clear their chosen country.
They will need to come to Flag or the Freewinds for 6 month checks on their TELEPATHIC GROUP PROCESSING skills though.
It’s like all those members and donors are Charlie Brown replicas and DM is Lucy, holding the football promising she will let him kick the ball.
The Sea Org’s initial mission to “Clear Earth” has failed miserably.
Flag Order 228, 9 October 1967, “Purpose of the Sea Org, Character of Missions,” holds the answer.
The Sea Org, en masse, should be assigned LIABILITY. The initial (and all subsequent) missions to “Clear Earth” have FAILED. Said “mission did not do its duty,” and, instead, it “did something else.” Perhaps it didn’t try at all. Collapsed statistics and damaged Sea Org repute equals, at least, a Condition of Liability. All Sea Org pay should be suspended; all mission personnel (if they can be found) should be fined.
This mission debrief, much like the Sea Org itself, is “tough, formidable and effective.”
Hip, hip, hooray!
Thanks for posting this. It CLEARLY (see what I did there?) shows –
Hubster’s Task is impossible and failure is too obvious to ignore
Blame must be shifted somewhere and the winner is – THE SEA ORG
(Since all that $ci. is about is $$$)
Punishment is monetary and inures to the benefit of the Hubster.
Other than leaving out the hype and salesmanship leading up to the impossible Task, it’s the entire $ci. game plan and mode of operation in a few paragraphs.
Clearing Earth may not be accomplished — or even accomplishable with the Hubster’s “tech”, but he did accomplish enslaving a bunch of people, even after his death. Even until THEIR deaths, some of them. In my experience, as having attested to ‘clear’, #5875 in about Spring 1978, There’s nothing to the supposed state. With the suppressives in and around Flag – the “mecca” for standard ‘tech’, I soon crashed and burned — which isn’t all that unusual, I’ve noticed in the 40 years since they beached me for being incapable of ANY position in the SO; I wasn’t even a good enough RPF inmate.
I so very CLEARLY saw what you did there, Phillip!
Knowledgeable estimates put it at about half that number. And it would be completely out of scale with a membership that appears to be only between 10 and 20 thousand. My guess would be that they’re counting everyone alive, who has been in the Sea Org at some point, including a large number who left.
One way to look at the numbers, is that would be about 50 Sea Org members for each of the fewer than 150 local ‘church’ orgs of Scientology — and we can see from the promo pieces, most can’t even get that many members to show up for events these days. Though if it’s half or even a third of what is claimed, that is still an outrageously high overhead that helps to explain part of why Scientology is as expensive as it it – it’s like the medieval monastic system, where a huge and lavious religious establishment existed on the backs of the subsistence-level peasantry.
The reason scientology is so expensive is because the big man decided it was only as worthwhile as it was expensive to the masses. He wanted ALL the MONEY for hisself and his pet projects, I figure; not that he had the skill set to effectively manage ANY money he was given: He bankrupted the early dianutics foundations, so had to start the NEW scam: scientology, which was set up to vaguely look kinda religion-like, if you squinted hard enough. Without the “religious” tax exemption, he was subject to oversight he couldn’t withstand, and would have had to share some of his ill-gotten gain with the government he despised.
“….he was subject to oversight he couldn’t withstand, and would have had to share some of his ill-gotten gain with the government he despised.”
He didn’t “despise” the government. He just pretended to. It was an act, like everything else about him and Scientology. Hubbard came out of ONI (Office of Naval Intelligence). Obviously he never actually left Intelligence. Scientology was a project they assigned to him. It was a creation of the Intelligence communities and is still run by them today, with Miscavige being their top agent. If you look into this it’s pretty easy to connect the dots.
Sadly for the old-timers, some of the Sea Org members are aging and not very productive, probably becoming more and more a drain on resources. My sister at Int Base is an example, emotionally and physically fragile, as my brother-in-law commented when we last saw her, “she looks like the soul has been sucked out of her.” She plans to stay until she dies. This can’t help much with their stats.
It’s not just the currently ailing Sea Org inmates. Back when we were young, capable, and durable, the tasks we were were given to do produced nothing towards the stated goals for the most part. Even the front-line auditors couldn’t make many ‘clears’ and releases as the ‘tech’ just didn’t work towards that end; just further enslavement through hypnosis. It’s the way he designed things to work. scientology itself produces only negative results;
At least Davey-Boy is honest enough to have stopped *trying* to deliver a product other than money directly into his coffers. He makes no false promises other than him being superior to LRH, OT levels above VII existing and that ANYone will be able to do them —eventually, after he stops moving the goalposts, the impossible tasks are completed and and he cobbles something up to “discover” in old Hubbard notes.
“Holy interplanetary yard stick” Batman … that’s some serious “measurement failure.” The Sea Org munchkins must be applying the same study tech dear leader used in his Calculus course. And, of course, it was Hubbard who put the “BS” in his claim of receiving a “B.S. in Civil Engineering.” Seriously … is there anything in Scientology they don’t exaggerate to “Infinity and beyond?”
BTW … I checked. Robin really did use that “Holy [fill in the blank]” phrase. LOL.
No need to check, Denny. Robin DID say all those “Holy” things, which was one of the things that can never be unheard, they were SO Hokey, even then
It would be nice to understand how our friends that are still in the Scientology bubble explain these numbers. It is not just reaching out to the 1 million people but getting them to a state of Clear. Given that includes some of the poorest people on the planet, devout Christians, Muslim’s, Hindu’s etc that is a lot of work and a lot of expense for existing members of Scientology to sponsor these people to a state of clear.
To those in Scientology that read Mike’s blog – Good Luck. By-the-way, the population just increased by another 150 people as you were reading this.
They do use the term “exponential growth” quite often. So I expect that in their minds, they expect that once a tipping point is reached, each person they convert will convert several others, and down the line. But even if that could somehow happen, there is the problem you mentioned of bringing the poor and the religious hardliners from other religions on board.
Haha, and therein lies the ever so delusional definition of the power of OT (“the ether is strong with them,” said the little man with the pointy ears).
It’s almost like: ‘create a static and they will come…’ That’s probably the most self contradictory thing I’ve ever typed, then again, I once wore a T shirt at graduation with, “I’m a Scientologist” written on it too. It’s enough to give me the wobbles to recall that.
ONLY increased by 150? BTW, I doubt any of my old —REALLY old friends, now —are still “in” the cult of DM. They’d be in their 70s and 80s these days, and scientologists aren’t known for longevity. Quite the reverse if they’re still allowing themselves to be abused like has been “normal” since the early days.
To that delusion runs very deep in Scientology is putting it very politely.