More proof that the ideal org program has devolved into desperate insanity.
This is a NEW piece from Perth Org. Apparently, this ideal org, that Miscavige yanked his ribbon on a month ago now, was incapable of getting their filing done before moving into their $20 million dollar building. And still hasn’t managed it to this day!
Remember how this went on for months and months — just look back at the Thursday Funnies. The begging and cajoling to try to get their backlogged filing done was legendary. Like every other “ideal” org.
That an organization cannot muster enough manpower to catch up their filing is not merely an indictment of the brilliant “administrative technology” of L. Ron Hubbard (apparently that technology can NEVER organize a scientology activity to keep its files present) but also a clear indictment of the inability of scientology organizations to attract enough people. Though there are not enough people to catch up their filing, the tattered handful are apparently aqequate to invest tens of millions of dollars in for new facilities.
What a business model this is… and yet again proof that the “ideal orgs” have NOTHING to do with expansion, massive growth or the need to “fulfill demand” for scientology.
No wonder everything is about “fundraising” — clearly scientology cannot exist on its own merits based on delivering “the tech.”
I wonder, how can they have so much filing if they have few members?
mk, the filing’s YEARS old and probably never was up-to-date. AFAICT, Flag’s CF was never in PT onboard Apollo. Remember, CF includes a file for EVERYone who had ever purchased ANYthing from the org(or franchise). Files/names&addresses are never trashed, though they can be deadfiled, which cuts down on the messages from the org to them. (Just read the HCOPL on that a few days ago; forget where I found it. Interesting reading…. As Flag’s CF officer and the one who got their CF into PT for the first time, I was unaware of the PL as late as 1980. )
Actually, wynski, Apple’s “Macintosh” debuted in January 1984.
Perhaps that Super Bowl ad hit a little too close to home for ol’ Elron….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zfqw8nhUwA
I meant Apple II. Oops
When you have to maintain paper files, there are about 8,000 web pages out there on setting up an effective file system. As well as a number of ‘Guides to an effective office’ type publications. If they really want to get organized, the need to scrap the ‘Admin Tech’, and read some of the stuff by people who actually know what they’re doing.
The level of fakery in these Ideal Orgs is rising. Originally they were supposed to get all the files done, man up to complement, also finish the building. Now it’s down to finish the building and open regardless of staff complement, files done or not. Next they’ll just finish the front of the building and the lobby/div 6 area and open with the rest not renovated. After that we will have virtual openings of orgs not even done at all. Of course all along the main fakery is that they do not have enough local public to sustain any of it.
The current org building that St. Louis is now shown as planning to renovate – presumably after they unload the derelict historic building that they had purchased about a decade ago – is only about 17,000 square feet, and it doesn’t look like they plan to put a massive addition on it to make it anywhere near the apparently 40,000 square feet minimum for “ideal” orgs. I wonder if some of the last, smallest and weaker orgs to go ideal like them, are going to go in downsized ideal org 3.0 buildings – perhaps with the promise that the space would be increased someday.
Perhaps we’re indeed headed towards virtual openings of orgs, with “photoshopped” virtual crowds, and virtual buildings with only small finished public spaces, with the front door manned hired security guards to show the occasional visitor to the video kiosks, and a skeleton staff of Sea Org. I’m indeed wondering if Miscavige isn’t planning for a sort of Scientology without scientologists; it’s actually in keeping with the occult traditions that Scientology has one foot in through Aleister Crowley’s OTO, to believe that there are expectable periods during which social and governmental conditions will require an organization to go underground.
Where is the info about the downsized ideal org? Am curious about this…
Thor is more likely hammering out of existence Scientology.
“I thor 1500 student files in need of our help”? Mike, please tell me that you added that bit to the flier as a bit of a shot at them. Oh wait, Loki hit Thor with the “Speakerus Likeum Sylvester” spell. Jeez, the Perth mob and their childishness never ceases to amaze me.
Thufferin Thuatash! You ith making a good point there.
All is as it will be I see. It’s a lost cause Scientology and equally unworkable, held together by idiots.
If it worked we wouldn’t be here, simple logic is the hardest attribute for a Scientologist to grasp. They’d rather go broke and lose everything, including their families.
Scientology creates a desperate, war declared type mindset, such stupid people!
Tony Ortega has a fascinating article today illustrating how quickly that warlike culture developed within that system. It’s written testimony by the “first real clear” that was part of a lawsuit back in the day. Take a look.
What did the lisping Australian registrar say to the female parishioner? Give me that perth.
So sad and so common.
Says a lot about the staff member on the motorcycle from Thursday/ Saturday funnies.
Anyway, here we go. Today’s installment of:
THE ADVENTURES OF BOB, MARY, AND SHAHEEN
It’s Wednesday at Bill and Linda’s Independent Scientology place. People are sitting at desks studying materials. Linda is walking around the room as a de facto course sup. The front door opens and Bob and Mary enter with excited looks on their faces.
Bob (excitedly): They came! They finally came!
Linda (confused): What do you mean?
Mary (excitedly): Our goldenrods!
Linda: No! Really?
Mary: Yes! We are no longer part of that shit house across the street!
(Upon hearing this, the students cheer and break out in loud applause)
Linda: To paraphrase Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, ‘ Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty you are free at last!’.
Bob: My favorite part of my goldenrod is the part where it says that I am not a Scientologist! Ha! I’m more of a Scientologist than those crackpots at the org!
Linda: I think we all are. We practice the true LRH tech, not the……
(Linda is interrupted by a commotion out front. Bob and Mary walk over to the window and peer through the curtains. Bob rolls his eyes and sighs)
Bob: It’s the Squirrel Smashers.
Mary: Led by Shaheen as usual.
Linda: I’m going to call the police!
Bob: No, it’s okay, Linda. We can handle this.
( Bob and Mary exit the front door and head down the steps toward the Squirrel Smashers)
Bob: Hi, Shaheen!
Mary: Everything alright?
(Shaheen takes a good look at Bob and Mary. Her eyes widen in terror and she let’s out a blood curdling scream)
Shaheen:AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!! SPs! RUN! RUN! RUN! RUN!
(The Squirrel Smashers hurriedly run toward the org, running into oncoming traffic in the process. In the ensuing melee, they almost cause a few collisions and are almost hit by oncoming cars. Once inside the safety of the org, they can be seen peering out the windows in terror).
Bob: One good thing you can say about the org is that at times it can be good for a laugh.
Linda: I agree!
(Across the street, several angry drivers have descended on the org to complain. Five minutes later, four police cruisers arrive. Ten minutes later, Shaheen and the Squirrel Smashers are led out in handcuffs and loaded into the cruisers while the ED follows, complaining loudly)
ED: How dare you arrest our parishioners! This is religious discrimination!
Police officer: Weren’t you the one holding people against their will this past Saturday?
(Not wanting to do another stint in jail, the ED quickly goes back inside as the police cruisers drive off).
LOVE it. Keep ’em coming.
I can’t with till Bob and Mary realize the tech doesn’t work, no matter what branch of scientology they practice.
“For this I vilified and disconnected from my family”.
For those still in I suggest ot IX.
Commands are>
Look at that door
Walk over to that door
Walk out that door.
EP 1:Freedom from criminality war and insanity
EP 2:Freedom from filing.
Love it!
Freedom FROM the Cult.
They’re so fucked – more like an ideal orgy.
Well now, an ideal orgy doesn’t sound so bad. As long as it’s ideal.
With a dozen staff members it’s definitely ideal.
Now that’s a nice thought!
And crowded…
Ideal orgy: We should only have wished, back in the day. Ive heard there WAS one that first xmas in Clearwater, but i missed it. Must have been on a different floor of the FH.
This is adding to my suspicions that situation is even worse than it might seem at the far-flung small orgs, particularly the remaining weakest of them that are now being made “ideal” with outside help.
I’ve been in contact with a graduate student of one of the foremost experts in photo forensics, and they say it’s plausible that a report from “Fred Basset” was right and there was only actually a small crowd in front of Miscavige at the Perth opening, possibly more in the ballpark of 100 – I’m awaiting an expert opinion on just how much the photographs from that event, which appear to show anywhere from about 300 to 500 people when tiny heads in the distance are counted (a couple of people have done so), may have been manipulated.
One of the implications of that, is that Perth may not have even have achieved the temporary staff-up that ideal orgs are supposed to, and by accounts has accomplished elsewhere by bringing in outsiders who don’t stay long, which is reportedly well over 100 head count (I suspect much of that count, includes locals signing up for part-time or voluntary positions). As I’ve noted previously, Orlando staff photos posted on social media in the week after the opening don’t show more than a normal staff contingent of 1 to 2 dozen, and the only Facebook page I can find for Perth hasn’t been updated in 9 months – and I thought keeping up with at least social token media postings, was another requirement for orgs.
If internet use is forbidden, who does the social media stuff and how do they not see stuff they aren’t allowed to see?
Internet use is not forbidden, but you are heavily indoctrinated to avoid “entheta” or sites/info that is critical of the church. Scientology FB pages are the best…all kinds of crazy pics, stories etc! Back when the internet first became popular, the church sent members a cd to help them “build your own website” – basic stuff, promote that Scientologists are normal people etc…but the cd also loaded a “net-nanny” program that filtered out specific sites known to be critical of COS.
Thanks for the explanation. 🙂
You know you are in real trouble when you have to launch a PR strategy to convince others that the group you belong to is full of normal people.
There’s always been the self-enforced “not see” of anything but the official party line. IF, by chance they happen by something like this site, they quickly look away and return to scn.com or whatever the official site is. If they do happen to see truth, they’ll immediately label it “entheta” or lies and bury their head in the sand again.What we write can’t be anything but a small cabal of defrocked, bitter apostates whose only goal in life is to destroy Mankind’s only hope for survival. That’s all we do, of course. When we’re not spreading the lies, we’re getting together and dreaming up new fantastical stories to spread around the Interweb.
How do they not get sued for using copyrighted characters and images in their propaganda?
I agree….Mike do you or Leah know anyone you can report this to? It is indeed copyright infringement unless they have permission and paid to use it. Like Trump taking rock songs for his campaign without permission….he got called out for that and had to “cease and desist”
I actually did just report it to Marvel Studios.
Fear of the Cult?
Would you volunteer to pick up a steaming dog turd from the pavement? Best left alone.
Maybe No One has reported them ? ….. and Maybe That Should Change ? There’s a famous quote by Ralph Keyes: ‘The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.’ Isn’t it about time that we stop Complaining about what they’re getting away with, and start Making them Answer for it! In this world of internet accessibility it’s Easier Done than said. There’s strength in numbers. We’re Millions strong; they have barely a paltry 20-22,000 members world wide Let’s get them ‘swatting flies’. Come at them with accusations/complaints from all angles. Even in Clearwater: how many people can they follow, for how long, if you come out en masse and take back your town. Bullies thrive on non-confrontation. They run like hell when someone stands up to them. Isn’t it time they were confronted with Reality?
Marne: for “us” to be “millions strong”, THEY must have been millions strong at some point, since most or all of us are exes. Thinking again, there ARE millions who watched “Aftermath” and at least a few who are dedicated to taking Dwarfenführer DOWN.
My point is that I doubt scn ever had as many as a million members who had gotten as far as the TRs and KSW Those two milestones were what converted people into real raving-mad scientologists, IMO.
Sure, Disney aggressively writes C&D letters, and even sues, to protect their copyrights. But how would they even know about this violation except if maybe they’re reading this blog or Underground Bunker? I mean, there are so few people in this world otherwise who ever see Scientology schlock promo materials.
My question is, what on Asgard is the meaning of Thor’s word balloon? And don’t those people know that asking Loki for help is very foolish. Isn’t he the god of joking & degrading?
HGC10: Loki was indeed the trickster, never to be depended upon. He did WHAT he wanted, WHEN he wanted, so was much like Tubby and is fairly appropriate for Thor to reach out to to help Perth in its hopeless quest.
Hey guys!!!!! Tubby never said nothing about CF folders being in strict date order; he didn’t say that all the possibly pertinent data had to be entered into a separate computer database. Heck, I worked for insurance companies who could afford the manpower and computer power to have two parallel databases, one in hardcopy. Legally and financially, the hardcopy was required, especially those customer signatures on legal docs. Did I mention it was expen$ive? ’twas also SLOW when the file folder was needed and it was in someone’s “pending research” stack for a week.
And that was a system and company DESIGNED and built specifically to have those attributes, doing little else but keep the various files and databases straight
It can be claimed as “fair use” if the “publication” has a small circulation and there’s enough changes so it clearly can’t get confused with the copyrightholder. And then there’s the hassle and cost of taking it to court. Often people/companies don’t want the bother. So few people will see their theft that the odds are incalculably small that the copyrightholder will see it, much less make a fuss. In this case, they won’t find out about the infringement unless one of us digs around and tells the one person in the company who might care. And they might know that suing SCN is a lost cause, costing far more than the possible reward. IIRC, NO one has actually received a settlement from COS, cerainly not one greater than the lawyers’ fees and other court costs.
My understanding of “fair use” for images, at least n the U.S., is that it should usually involve some sort of analysis related to the image itself. For example: Using a photo to help explain a historic event. Using an image that directly relates to the explanation of a current event. Using a movie photo in a discussion of that film.
These ‘fair use’ images are not to be used for profit. That would even include something like publishing a history book, for a small profit.
Someone claiming “fair use” doesn’t mean it qualifies for fair use.
I just feel so sorry for those still on staff. All those impossible deadlines! Pretty sure Scientology breaking United States Peonage laws, too. Probably in other countries, as well, because why should they follow any laws?
Scientology is evil. It’s always been evil. And it will continue to be evil.
The good news is nobody is going through their doors. Their reputation has been shredded to almost to oblivion.
I certainly hope people are not so stupid today with all of the media and online information to get anywhere close to a Scientology induction center. I wonder what the numbers, if there are any, of those sucked in are? I guess it depends on what country and how ignorant the people are. I find it interesting it’s doing well in Russia since the cult is cold and the impression of Russians is similar.
Peterblood71: I distrust the claims of scn expansion in Russia or any other country. Dwarfenführer inflates those numbers past any credibility. I would even doubt they have 1,000 scns in the Clearwater area,much less 1,000 crew, judging from the Orlando Idle Morge reports.
OSD, there are a few people going thru scn’s doors: those going OUT, leaving the foundering ship.
I know long term staff who have to have long passed the point of knowing that Scientology is NOT expanding and is in serious trouble. Yet, they decided to stay anyway. They decided to aid and abet the ongoing fraud. Are they put upon, taken advantage of? Yes. Are they made wrong and otherwise blamed for not being able to “make it (the impossible) go right?” Yes, Are they very likely aching under the burden of pretending that all is great when all is actually in dire straights? Yes. Do I feel sorry for them? No.
They saw, they realized the truth, and made their decisions. They’re criminals now. Manipulated, gaslighted, abused criminals, but still criminals. They saw the truth and they stayed. They made their beds, etc. Their only avenues lead out the door. The smarter, more aware ones find their ways out and be welcomed and helped. The dumber, more cowardly, uber- stubborn types will go down with the ship.
Ya know, now that the CoS allows independent orgs of ANY type/level (Class V through OT VIII delivery) I would think that all the Indies I’ve heard talk about how a standard tech org would BOOM and millions would flood in would succeed at that, just ONE TIME AND ONE PLACE on the planet by now.
Where are they? Logicproof, are YOU going to carry on L. Wrong’s hopeof standard tech, booming orgs? Any others who over the years on this blog claimed they were one of the few other than Hubtard who truly understood scamology and could deliver standard tech?
I guess it was just trolling for trolling sake by those cult members… The “First Independent Church of Scamology” after 2 years cannot even put up a working website…
I’m not going to pick on Logicproof anymore, as difficult as he makes that. As Mike has said, there’s often a continuum to getting completely out of scientology. I think LP is on that since he has declared that he is an independent scientologist. Let him work the tech and find out for himself that it doesn’t work. Mike discovered that and many others have as well.
The problem in official scientology is Miscaviage; the problem with ANY scientology is that it’s hokum.
smorbie, the problem with scamology is that it is designed to HARM people. Miscavige is VERY late in the game and didn’t design the evil cult.
As I though. Crickets. Scamologists are idiots, in or out of the formal “church”.
There have been “indies” since CADA gained rights to use the term “Dianetic” in December, 1950 – and California Association of Dianetic Auditors has been in existence ever since, despite attempts by the CofS to attack it or even take it over. Many of Scientology’s early bright lights left in the 1970s and 1980s and tried to find “workable” ways to do Dianetics and Scientology outside of the CofS – figures like Horner, Mayo and Gerbode had so little relative success at it, that it’s largely been forgotten that it’s been tried that long ago.
Yes PM, I’m well aware of all that. Thanks
As others have said before, if scn could deliver ANYthing they promise, we all wouldn’t be out, but in, trying to manage the masses of folks trying to get that one thing. But of course it’s all been lies and promises Tubby never intended to fulfill. What he wanted, and got, was $$$ money $$$ and more $$$ money $$$, and all us slaves. If he’d stumbled across the real thing, he’d have hidden it more carefully than the loot he squirrelled away, never to see the light of day.
Hey, after 68 years, no one’s been able to assemble a working *Dianetics*!
Not one Book 1 Clear.
Ever.
Not one OT.
Ever. The *best* Success Stories® have been delusional. Fun reading sometimes but not ever evidence of the promised EPs Yeah, maybe they had a day after session where they “made” all the green lights for a while, but that happens to everyone if they’re looking for such. long before scn, I used to be able to drive into college without having to stop for a red light.That was just from knowing the timing and the speed that got me to the light at the right time.
What organizations use paper filing anymore? Even the smallest nonprofits use computer databases. Scientology must own stock in paper companies and file folders. Even the government rarely processes paper returns. Does Scientology still use rotary phones and send faxes? Miscavige should cancel his subscription to Behind the Times and go with Day old News.
Lori, WELL into the email age the CoS still used pay by the character telex service.
Day Old News: retro band
While I’m sure they must have computers, they are somewhat stymied by the fact that Lwrong insisted things be done the way he originally set them out. Thus, they still send telexes, for example, and keep paper files.
More irony: A guy who wrote about the future was unwilling to adapt to it once it arrived.
Not only that, but locked them into a system by written policy they can’t change.
To be fair, he was dead by the time home computers came into being.
But but but… what about the whole track? In billions of years, no other society created a cmputer, yet they created galatic confederacies? 😉
smorbie. I want what you are smoking. Hubtard died in ’86. The Apple Mac came out in ’81. Which was YEARS after Home PCs came out. I had an Apple in ’79 (see pic below)
https://i0.wp.com/media.retrodata.se/2015/09/1296890-apple3.jpg?resize=440%2C330
that’s true by the computer boom didn’t really start until the mid to late 80’s .
Not smoking anything. If’ I’m doing drugs, I’m going for the hard stuff.
WRONG smorbie. The PC boom started in 1980 and the CoS was FILLED with Thousands of PCs by 1984
Now, run along and be nutty somewhere else.
Ahhh! the venerable ][ plus: a smoking machine that I once programmed to call up Compu$erve, hit Dow Jones to get the day’s stock prices, then call our mainframe in NY to d/l the prices and kick off that day’s processing. Fun times…. It’s claim to fame was that you could program it in FORTRAN or other languages and have space for 64k code and 64k data; 128k in total, with addressing well outside the 640k limit Microstft imposed (Since “No one woud need programs or datafiles bigger than that.” Windows STILL bumps against that bug on occasion)
Smorbie, The Apple ][ came out by ’76, so Tubby could have seen personal computers. Flag did have Texas Instruments mini-computers by the time I left in ’80. They/he didn’t know what to do with them, of course, but the machines were pretty powerful for back then. A decade later, I was paid pretty well to get those big old dogs singing under TX10, the DOS that TI cobbled together. Imagine what the “Mission Earth” monstrosity could have been like if he hadn’t been limited to what he could fit on a roll of paper. from there, they could have transferred EXACTLY what he wrote to the publishers on reel-to-reel tapes compatible with IBM monstrosities running COBOL (bleeechhhh! )
eta: Thinking back, I believe they used those things to OCR HCOBs so they could construct the red volumes. From the little I heard of that project, they could have typed the text in faster than the programs could recognise the hardcopy. 37 years later and I don’t think OCR technology has improved that much. I’ve years of a newsletter scanned into this machine and would love to extract the text, but at even 95% of perfect OCR, the cleanup is tedious and time-consuming.
“37 years later and I don’t think OCR technology has improved that much.”
In 1995 I was using an OCR that you could put a bound book into and it would compensate for the curve of the page, recognize the text, correct any spelling and out put a page a second with no errors. It cost about $100k for the entire set up. Ran on Unix.
Jere, when I got to the Int Base in ’83 there was exactly one personal computer that I saw, Wik Allcock’s Osborne running WordStar. But of course there were WiCats and dumb terminals all over the place running their proprietary messaging system, Mercury.
Soon after that Don Bateman got a MAC (the original single box one with a built-in screen). For a long time the Gold Treasury was run on an Apple ][. We didn’t really start going crazy about IBM PCs until the late 80s though some were around.
The history of computers in the Sea Org cannot be complete without mentioning Ken Delderfield’s Unix based type setting-system. They moved it to LA in the early 80s, that is where I got to play with it a bit. Partly coded in Forth. That was at Bridge Publications, where we also had a Digital system running SNOBOL.
Hubbard knew about computers but most of what he knew was wrong. Check out his ideas (with “Computer Operator” Ron Clifford) on Ron’s Journal 38. He has Clifford type in questions (on a very loud keyboard) and reads out the answer, for all the world like the Doc Wonmug computer in the old Allie Oop cartoons. The computer is always perfect. Ha.
Can’t speak for the rest, Lori, but a very large number of major corporations are still using faxes. z;)
I worked for an insurance company which used FAXes up until about 10 years ago. Had to have a hard copy signature until electronic signatures gained legal standing, and they’re valid in only limited situations even now. At least we don’t have to visit the Notary as much as we did. [I’m not sure I know where I’d find one if I needed one today.
A number of corporations are still using IBM mainframes and “plug compatibles” As costly as they are to maintain, they’re afraid of the cost to retool even though they have to recode their programs periodically to keep up with user expectations and increased volume.
My Dad programmed IBMs back in the ’60s. it’s likly that some of his code still is in use. At the time, IBM was expensive, but was the only hardware that could take the load. My 20-year-old Mac, here, could run rings around any of them made at the time, and can be programmed in modern languages, cutting development time to near instant. Heck, a quick spreadsheet could have eliminated the need for most of the code he labored over for months and months. And it doesn’t require a specially built room with super-massive air conditioners that MUST keep the room below a certain temp. Heck any recent computer with “Intel onboard” might be stronger than the supercomputers of the era.
The thing is that computers existed even in the 50s, though Tubby never learned much about ’em. They weren’t nearly as easy to use as any of the PCs — from the Apple ][ on — and computers you’d hand to Grandma didn’t happen until the Macintosh, and eventually when Windows caught up, sorta. The internet, then called DARPAnet, came along by ’82, but didn’t really catch on until the ’90s. Tubby must be spinning rapidly around Target 2 if he’s gotten any inkling of how things have developed: Sites like this, scn’s impotence(thus Tubby’s impotence ) against the modern world of the web Even if he had a body and full recall, he could merely rage against the multitude of conspiracies working against him and his alter-ego creation, no way he could successfully get away with his lies as he used to. If he had hair, he’d be ripping it out by the handful, complaining that we’re ALL out to kill him. As for me, I’m not interested in killing anyone, nor am I particularly active against Scientology. Hopefully, I’ll learn to ignore scn’s implosion and simply completely walk away, leaving it to do itself in. Maybe I won’t even notice the one-line announcement that the last scn org shuttered itself. Probably won’t notice when the last diehard dies, probably at her post’s desk at 2:00PM on some Thursday as she puts herself in treason for downstats and declares herself Suppressive and then disconnects from herself. THAT, AFAICT, is likely how scn will finally end.
As I think, that’s a SF plot worthy of Phillip K Dick, who was a paranoid case who might make Tubby seem sane. Dick was a deeply disturbed soul, worth a read if you’re up to the challenge emotionally. As I recall, “Vulcan’s Hammer” hit home particularly. At least he didn’t invent a *fiction science* to convert others to his form of insanity.
Peter, only for “wet signatures” where digital sigs aren’t legally recognized. The CoS has no such need for anything but its OSA legal crap.