Well, this is as blatant as it gets.
The “OT Committee”, according to Hubbard policy is to help orgs expand and get people onto and up the bridge. That is apparently “old” “tech”. Nowadays their role is to exclusively collect money.
And that about sums up the state of scientology today.
After sending out the above, the next notification is this:
Well, let me take one guess as to what this “new” program consists of…
Nothing to do with getting money of course.
Mike,
You said, “The “OT Committee”, according to Hubbard policy is to help orgs expand and get people onto and up the bridge. That is apparently “old” “tech”. Nowadays their role is to exclusively collect money.”
END QUOTE :
Hmm . . . It seems to me that the “Bridge” has become a “Toll Bridge” – LOL !
Dave F.
It doesn’t MATTER that there’s nothing priced $1. If you give it to them, it’s your postulate, a downpayment on your slog up the “Bridge”, “earnest money”, or some such drek. they’ll never stop trying to get the rest even after your death
Some great J&D in the comments today….
if they ever DO deliver on one of their promises, I might just rejoin.
Pirates, wizards and bums??!?
Oh my!
As a pirate, I appreciate the wizards! It’s the bums I have trouble with. Aarrgggg.
I have some doubts. sr cruise may be absent for suri protection and not because katie holmes is an SP. He as a father, I believe he would never abandon his beloved daughter if it were not to protect her. The people who were mistreated by Scientology did not go to the police with the exams, exams …?
Interesting idea that Tom is actually protecting Suri by withdrawing himself, and therefore Scientology, from her life. If that is the case then Tom is applying the O/W tech to himself: The person performing Overts (bad acts) against another will Withdraw from those others so as to not commit further Overts.
Maybe there is a good soul behind the dick-wad persona he presents to the world.
Hi, Jim. I always believe in people, I believe in redemption. I think Tom Cruise should remain in Scientology, but not be the spokesperson. Because you’re putting an end to his image. Because if he leaves suddenly he will get lost, he may have depression and end up committing suicide. He seems to be very lonely. He lives in an egocentric world with selfish people who only want a piece of his fame. True love and friendship he should not have. I do not usually watch his films, but lately I’ve seen some interviews and I find his eyes very sad. Does it only I see it?
AFAICT, Tom isn’t so much a father as a sperm donor
Dave’s theme song:
Money changes everything
Money, money changes everything
We think we know what we’re doin’
That don’t mean a thing
It’s all in the past now
Money changes everything
🙂 MJM.
I’m working on a Miscavigological parody of “If It Ain’t Got That Swing”, Duke Ellington’s classic. So far all I’ve got is:
It don’t mean a thing if it ain’t got ka ching
Ka ching ka ching ka ching ka ching ka ching.
…as I said, a work in progress. Feel free to make this a collaborative effort. Totally understood that you are inspired by only by inspiration 🙂 so I’m opening this offer to everyone.
It don’t mean a thing
If there ain’t no ka-ching
(Moo-lah, moo-lah, moo-lah, moo-lah
Moo-lah, moo-lah, moo-lah, moo-lah)
It don’t mean a thing
Gotta keep the shrimp in bling
(Moo-lah, moo-lah, moo-lah, moo-lah
Moo-lah, moo-lah, moo-lah, moo-lah)
It makes no diff’rence
If it’s card or cash
If you don’t close them
You’ll be on your ass
Oh, it don’t mean a thing
If there ain’t no ka-ching
(Moo-lah, moo-lah, moo-lah, moo-lah
Moo-lah, moo-lah, moo-lah, moo-lah)
OMG, I love it! This is PERFECT. Fuggetabout “We Stand Tall”, this IS the cult’s song!
“Moo-lah, moo-lah, moo-lah, moo-lah”…”Gotta keep the shrimp in bling”…MJM, you’re killing me here! 🙂
Aqua, you’re my best audience! If you’re ever in LA look me up.
The best “Tech” in life ain’t free
It cost big money just to maintain ME
Now give me money, (That’s what I want)
That’s what I want
(That’s what I want)
That’s what I want, (That’s what I want), yeah!
(That’s what I want)
You’re studying tech gives me a thrill
You’re studying helps pay my bills
Now give me money, (That’s what I want)
That’s what I want
(That’s what I want)
That’s what I want, (That’s what I want), oh, yeah!
(That’s what I want)
Money gets me everything, it’s true
Drinking whiskey & Champagne too
Now give me money, (That’s what I want)
That’s what I want
Bravo, Balletlady!
If it ain’t got ka ching, ka ching, ka ching ka ching. I ain’t going wana hear ya sing…
MJM
It don’t mean a thing
If it ain’t got ka-ching
The pope has got his ear
To your level of fear
And all it hears is ka-ching
Bling bling and ka-ching
I like it!
Since the moment Hubtard wrote his affirmations it has only been about the money. Oh, and the power to control people.
Tubby was always about HIM, no one else. And he was always anout money, money, MORE money. When he couldn’t earn it through honest work, he grifted for it, passed a bad check, ran out on a bank loan, left his wife and child to fend for themselves; petitioned the Navy to pay him for non-existant war wounds, invented a fictional “science”, bankrupted a “foundation”; ANYthing to improve his finances. AFAICT, he never earned an honest buck.
I’m listening to a podcast on the history of North Korea right now. It talks about how the people of North Korea who were born into the regime are either silent protestors or are so brainwashed that they truly believe they must worship the almighty dear leader.
The parallels are frightening. The news blackouts, the escapes, even the time frame – North Korea was first established as a soviet puppet state in 1948. I’m so glad that the word is spreading. Hopefully soon North Korea and scientology will both be memories.
Sadly, scientology has much more money than North Korea
I decided several years ago that Scientology contained in itself all the worst traits of the Navy, North Korea, and a Star Trek convention.
Thanks for the snicker, Snake.
Easy there, big fella! I’m a Jedi night! Um…. I mean Knight!
Right Mike, it seems these days the ‘leader’ chooses which Policies to follow, how, or adjust them pending on the income, the money he does get!
Decadent.
So pathetic. At least the con of Scientology back in the day had busy Orgs and there was an illusion there was something other than the money god mixed into the fray. Before the mission police it wasn’t such a total social pariah. Now it’s all a Ghost Train ride in bright sunshine as the building no longer has a roof. You can see so clearly the bullshit of the sick fools as they scurry about in the only fashion they know to please their master.
Time is working it’s magic on Scientology, there are no results with their tech they can boast about, it doesn’t work. Except the delusion it creates by lies still offers some return.
Funny you put it that way. If I were to mock up a religion with ideological play-doh, it would be Scientology. Fancy facade but hallow inside. #justmockupareligion
Dear “I Yawn Alot”,
In 1975 when I got in, I stupidly thought Scientology was legitimately making people into soul astronauts who could eject out of their skulls as is described in “Scientology: Fundamentals of Thought” book the chapter called “Parts of Man” which I studied on the very first course in Scientology, the old “Introduction to Scientology” course checksheet that has the clay demo to demonstrate “exterior”.
I thought “exterior” with visio was real.
It’s an hallucination, and I agree, back in 1975 when I got in, more people at least had that “exterior” hallucination.
to me, exterior with full perception and all that that power would connote was THE carrot. It aligned with my childhood goal of being able to fly.
I heard a lot of lies about it over the years. It’s obvious now that they were lies, as if the person had that power their lives would have been astoundingly better than what was evident.
It’s one thing to drink the koolaide, hope, and believe. It’s a full other to tell OT Phenom lies. We stayed IN because of the carrot.
Anyone who ever told such tall tales deserve to have all future ice cream scoops fall off the cone and into the sand prior to first lick. No refunds, f*cker.
You KNOW that if I’d gotten stably exterior, I’d have been a very happy guy, dropping into the girl’s locker rooms at shower-time. Yup, I’m a VERY straight Male 😉
Part of my independance activity was to get my pilot’s license. GREAT fun! It’s one thing to imagine yourself flying highabove everyone; It’s another to be there and feel gravity try to return you to the ground. Favorite activity was to do the “stall” series: when there’s insufficient air blowing over the wings and the plane essentially falls out of the sky. Its like a rollercoaster ride you can control.
very cool. I’m so glad for you.
I’m too much of a ‘fraidy cat now… but I would have tried to learn to fly in younger years. It was a goal, short of sprouting wings, I wanted this. Had some relatives who flew. But, alas, I joined staff instead.
So I wasn’t the only child that secretly longed to be able to fly! It sprang up during an amateur production “Peter Pan” . Peter, Wendy were wired up and they flew over the audience, back and forth. It was heartstoppingly exciting for us children in the audience and yet, for me, it was sad, too. With a kind of pang, with real regret, my first thought was, “I should be able to do that!” Don’t ask me why as I have no idea!
it really was a key to joining scn for me. exterior was the equivalent to flying from the description. I was gladly willing to give up everything I knew as “life’ to follow this dream.
They lied to me.
That was a pretty big lie. Believing hubbard stole decades.
That’s pretty rotten. It’s huge for me, but when you add up the thousands of lives he stole with his lies, he should’ve been mighty glad that “karma” was just another fantasy dream.
Were he alive, were I a Queen, I would sentence him to a month’s torture ending in a slow painful death. Fair is fair.
If they DID deliver what they promised, they wouldn’t have to beg for money. If they really could deliver OT, then there’d be lines around the block. Just demonstrate 1 OT ability. Just one. Go ahead, exteriorize with full perception. I’ll put an object in this room and shut the door; you then tell me what it is. Lets play poker, tell me what hand I’m holding. It’s not that it’s such a big deal, but if you say you can do it, then show me. Then I’ll get in line.
Just as Jason Beghe says: “Show me a mother fucking clear”
As has been said many times before: If Tubby could deliver on ONE of his promises, none of us would be here. Never delivered a “clear”, not one OT, no one stably exterior.
Could it be that EVERYTHING he said was a lie? Naaawh, couldn’t be. He had to say ONE true thing, if only by accident. For the life of me, I can’t think of one thing that was even in the ballpark.
Forget Clear, show me a Grade Zero Communications Release who is actually “Able to talk to anyone on any subject”
Haven’t met a Communications Release yet who could.
In fact, the higher up the Bridge they were, the worse off they were, communication wise.
The OTs I’ve met to date have topped the list. Really solid. So many Must Haves, so many Must Not BEs, so guarded, careful – in brief, so NOT free to communicate to anyone about anything.
But then, they’ve got that Cert on the wall saying they can,
So, it just means they CHOOSE not to. It doesn’t mean they CAN’T.
Sure, i get it. 🙂
We had such high hopes.
I thought that I truly WOULD be able to communicate freely on any subject … I thought being Clear with all my grades, I would have the most fabulous marriage, we would be hand in hand and see eye to eye- we’d be able to work out anything with cool and calm talks, earnest, open, and honest in our loving and sane ability and desire to create our lives.
yeah, that didn’t happen.
Clear and OT was such a worthwhile goal, and worth all the money, worth all of the weeks, months, and years of sacrifice and hard work on course.
That it was a LIE?
Flaying alive is too good for any who knew, and sold us the bill of goods.
Part of the trouble of being trained … in both admin and tech, of having actually done the bridge, is that you know that he must lied every day, and all day, knowingly.
Rough to take, when you’ve given him credit for the highest standards of truth, honesty, compassion, wisdom, dedication, and have lauded him as the greatest friend that mankind has ever known —– and when you have done this for DECADES. and given up ALL for it.
…
really… I’d tear the fucker’s eyes out right now.
yep. I’m a 100 percent with you.
Put up or shut up. and let me help you shut up with all the truth and the world’s eyes upon the filthy lies.
OR in CA,
You might find the recent book “Phenomena” interesting. It details the CIA and Military work with individuals who could ‘remote view’ or had clairvoyance. The military became frustrated and stopped the programs when the individuals with the ‘talent’ were unable to train army volunteers to their ‘trick’. Their thinking (?) was that if one person could do it, hell anyone should be able also.
Scientology has in the same manner used one (1) spectacular result as something that anybody can achieve. Routinely. Every day. Always.
The results are underwhelming. The cult has doomed itself with failed promises, and abusive behavior when things don’t go their way.
“OT Ambassador Program” ???? What’s OT supposed to stand for? Offal and Turds?
I’ll never forget the last OTC meeting I attended. On the agenda was about six items related to fund raising. Some of them were fund raisers to fund a fund raiser. That was the last time.
” NEW PROGRAM” ………. ‘Let’s show them how it’s done at Flog’………..
0) Call-in confirms a few marks under threat of ethics and sec checks
1) M-Cee conducts group havingness process: “Everyone bend over and grab your ankles.”
2) Clive the Dive Rabey shows up with extra jars of ‘Cramps Easy Lube’ (plain ole petroleum jelly)
3) The regges take over and deliver a new program of their own called ‘Give them doggies a bone’.
4) Dave drools in the corner.
5) The coffers fill up to avoid having to extend the game.
6) Success stories abound about the tremendous new flogging at Flag.
Dave gives one and all a famous shit eating grin before moving on to his next target.
OMG 🙂
Well, crap! If you like it….I like it!
Hubbard was right. Scientology does change IQ, only not in the right direction.
The longer you’re in…the stupider you get.
If ever I don’t remember how happy I am to be out of the Church of Scientology, someone just show me this site again – after you throw cold water in my face. This reminds me of how horrible it is to be part of this church. It is simply no fun whatsoever, not religious, does not raise spirits, does not enhance one’s life, and is, in fact, oppressive.
One has to REALLY have their head so far up the ass of this church to buy that money grubbing is a “game.”
OT COMMITTEE’s SUCK!!! It was mandatory as an OT 7 or 8 that if you weren’t on staff that you were “posted on” the OT Committee Org Board. MANDA-fucking-TORY! This is the shit that made me go, “This is MY church? This is MY religion?” incredulously to myself.
“First chance I get, I’m outta here.”
And Mike or anyone else on here that cares, you should read these OT AMBASSADOR PROGRAMS! They are blue on blue (david miscavige prgms) and pages of things for OT Ambassadors to do and comply with!
First time I saw one of these, in my head was “Huh? Say what? What do you mean I HAVE TO…?”
“Go fuck yourself.” is what I wanted to say to the Ethics person on the ship telling me this is what I need to do and be on board with.
Religion. Yea right. Real spiritual.
(I apologize for my foul mouth but this shit drives me crazy. No one should WANT to be part of this.).
“It is simply no fun whatsoever, not religious, does not raise spirits, does not enhance one’s life, and is, in fact, oppressive.”
Thanks, Mary. All true, but keep in mind there’s also a negative side..
haha!
Sorry, Rip, but, this is a no laughing zone. We’re deadly serious.
Yea. The beatings, the sleet deprivation, the false imprisonments, the extortion and fraud and forced abortions.
Oh but wait. The church/david miscavige doesn’t do that any more.
That’s right! Give credit where credit is due!
Co$ now stands with all the the other religions which used to do barbarous things to people they didn’t like but now don’t anymore. You know, like stretching them on racks, burning them at the stake, chopping off their heads, throwing them in prison and letting them starve – that sort of thing. All for God, or for Jesus, of course. Going back to the ancient Hebrews who practiced sacrifice of their first born sons to appease Yahweh. Its a grand tradition! Do unspeakable things, engender tremendous fear, hatred and dread, cause widespread pain and suffering, get all the blowback, and then – STOP. Stop doing all that stuff. Change the rules, so you can survive.
So, well done, Dave!
Just think, in 500 years or so, your cult might even be respectable!.
That is, if you survive the Internet. Sir. I forgot about that little point for a while.
Like I’ve said before, Scientology’s reputation is just a shade above Jonestown.
I’ll never forget the Dee of Pee asking me to complete my TIP which consisted of re-doing my training GAG style and then her telling me that I must sign it and agree to start upon returning home or she would not sign off on my routing form.
I of course had already been through the ‘Leaving Base Sucker Check’ and after listening to and paying for “on the question has anything been suppressed, has anything been suppressed?” ad infinitum along with all of those other stupid fucking buttons …………… I was beyond cooked! My needle as they say out on the fringes, was cast in concrete and unmoving I’m sure. I finally made the decision that I would never be returning to the ship and I would say or do anything necessary to get the fuck out of dodge. That caused an Eff En (F/N) bigtime!
So when posed with the question about committing to some future training etc. …. I said sure, no problem! Funny thing is that the cherch has no trouble dealing with lying straight to their face. That is what the cherch does. SOP.
Similar happened to me at Flag with doing the next step in ’84. which I couldn’t. I finally lied, a first, and that was that for a long time.
The only TIP needed for current members is to leave.
MANDA-fucking-TORY – thanks for the new word!
I have a bunch. It’s an ability gained from being in the church of scientology.
Would you like to write a Suck-cess story?
🙂
MANDA-FUCKING-TORY! Now that’s a word I can get behind!
Your foul mouth is appropriate for the circumstances, as far as I’m concerned.
I think there is evidence that they’re backing off a bit on this being enforced to the same degree right now.
We’re lucky to be far enough away as to make plausible excuses, but that didn’t stop a few particularly power mad asshats to call and write KRs. They’d KR and make sure to CC the ship, so then you’d get a call from the Ship MAA within 48 hours.
We get very few calls now from that local(ish) org. When they do call, I’m nice as pie to them as I give all the reasons I’ll not be making the trip. None of the calls have been OTC related. My spouse, though still a believer, has no urge to do anything at all, so this works out well for little old UTR me.
In fact, the last two times the ED of the org called, there was obvious and palpable relief in hearing a “friendly” voice. The ED even remarked upon it.
I loathed the OTC and successfully avoided it for years. Once it became mandatory I lost the faint interest I’d had previously. I never wanted to be a part of putting on 75 dollar spaghetti dinners.
The church and david miscavige are backing off on a lot. Yippie fucking do. Then give me my son back and the rest of the kids, parents and family and friendships it/He (Mr Transparency) has torn apart.
I’m sorry, honey. I can’t imagine not being able to speak to my child. I feel guilty for being UTR when faced with losses such as yours, but I do it for the selfish reason of protecting my own and not losing more than I already have.
All that I have for you… are feelings and words. ..and it feels mighty inadequate faced with your losses.
🙁
Mary, well said. That was one of the things that really blew my mind when I got back onlines (to save my family). I just could NOT believe this shit….one thing I can say for the past (more than 30 years ago), it was never like that – this money fund raising; making people do this shit when they were not even on any staff lines…….we never had such A thing as FUND RAISING!.It just did not exist and that is all scientology has become now..disgusting.
yep. I was in since the 70’s – but in a way, isn’t it better the way doofus dm has destroyed and wiped out all the Good Times and Fun Times and Young and Makin the World Better Happy Doodle stuff?
If it wasn’t for DM and his power mad destruction…more people might have been sucked into hubbard’s lies of clear and ot, even with the internet. I think he’s done well for the destruction of scn. Sounds weird, but to me, it’s the only good thing about him.
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You said it just right, Mary Kahn. The OT VII’s and VIII’s were pressured so much to do things that actually was the Org’s job. And then to withhold your eligibility for auditing if you didn’t do enough of their job, that is the be all and end all. I’m so glad I’m out.
C’mon Mary. Don’t hold back. Tell us what you REALLY think!
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Trouble is, too few of the bubble dwellers have any reasoning ability left. Sadly, at least one of my closest friends from back then IS an OTC member, and evidently still all-in. I haven’t seem-talked to her in nearly 40 years, but it still rankles my hockles.
When scientology gives up all pretense.
Exchange is old fashioned, just give us the $.
“Just give us the money.” Once again folks, that’s Scientology. You nailed it, Valerie.
Do the donors ever wonder what happened to the money they already donated? Even if I had a pile of money too high to jump over, I really think at some point in time it might strike me as odd that a few billion dollars already in their bank wasn’t being used, and if it was, then what was it spent on? Wouldn’t someone wonder how DM acquired the cars and toys he has? It’s not like he has a job delivering pizza or worked part time at a taco joint.
Scientology and its practices are surely criminal by any definition. That this criminal enterprise has not been dismantled and charges laid is an embarrasment to all public agencies that are designed to protect the public from predators, cons, and serious human rights abuses. Get off your asses and listen to the public outcry.
No, Peggy, Dear old Dwarfenfuhrer didn’t have a regular life like the rest of us. No, he dropped out of school at the tender age of fourteen and joined the Sea Org so, in due time, he could make life a living hell for a lot of people.
I’ll bet that right now Ronnie Miscavige is gnashing his teeth for having not steered his son in a more productive direction.
David Miscavige, the Jethro Bodine of cults everywhere.
Peggy they have answers for that in policy. Two that I can think of are the Simon Bolivar policy where you are taught to flow power to one upon whose power you depend. And there is stuff about Executives in the green vols about how they should have nice things to help them better handle the stresses of being an exec. That way no one thinks one thought if the executive drives a Mercedes and has a swimming pool and eats steak and salmon all the time while they have rice and beans and live in squalor.
Thank you all for your replies. So much of what is put in policies is contradicted by other policies. It’s like they cover their collective butts with an answer for every despicable thing they do. There is no thinking for yourself unless you think what they say you are to think. The big hole in that is that what people say may not be what they think, it’s just that they are too afraid to admit it. What a culture of fear and intimidation, and there are so many really good and honorable people who truly believe that the end result it saving an entire planet. Good luck with that. I hope for them that they can just save themselves.
Unfortunately the founder of this cult had no conscience, which seems to be what DM also lacks. Well, that and a whole host of other ways in which he fails stink test. He really has no redeeming qualities. And, I do feel bad when I say that because I am sure it hurts his father when people say that about his son.
Since I started reading more it has actually found a way into me dreams from time to time. I am in a building where it’s like a maze to get through and I am trying to get people to follow me. Then the men in black show up! Weird huh?
You are all the success stories!
When he wants your opinion, he’ll tell you what it is (today, at least)
I’ll answer too, from the way I was…..
NOPE.
The only way I was able to stay in, work hard, give up everything, and do all the bridge over and over again was to 100 percent believe in LRH first, then SCN, then management. Even when I thought management was “off the rails a bit” I knew that it would all come right soon and this too shall pass, and the only way to handle it was scn. No doubts at all.
If I had one shred of the ideas that the money wasn’t needed, wasn’t used for the right purpose, that I was C/Sed due to the amount of money I plunked down, not what was needed, that my daily auditing was watched by others or made fun of, that my auditing programs were purposely punitive due to my lack of dono to Ideal Org and IAS… .. if I had allowed ANY doubt…
It would have shattered and I would have been out of there at that time.
The ONLY way to stay in is to fully believe all the lies. I did it myself. Scn teaches you to self police, and I was a master at it.
Great post, Rip. Wow.
Agreement with you, Rip. As I put Flog firmly in the rearview mirrors August 1980, I was still convinced that there was something of value in $cientology. 37 -almost 38- years later, the most value came from leaving.
And if I were truly, completely freed from its greedy grasp, I’d have no thought of checking the ASC sites regularly, but just look arount the ‘net for ‘dirty’ pictures…. Just go off and have fun while scn does whatever it’s going to do, affecting me not in the least. Those who I thought were friends ceased to be friendly after I left. They weren’t real friends, just leeches sucking vitality out of me. Since then, I’ve made real friends who aren’t tranactional, who stay friends even if I can’t help get their stats up for the week, who aren’t asking me for money.
If the best revenge is living well, I guess I’m reaping a great deal of revenge. I’m living in a nice home in a nice community with a lovely wife and can work, or not, as I choose for the forseeable future. I’m beholden to no one unless I choose it, I help others, or not, as the mood strikes me; More often than not, the mood strikes me, of course. That was the ‘hook’ that scn exploited for that long, lost decade. ‘Twas also the hook that they used on my favorite sister-in-law, the one who thought nothing of tearing her family apart to further scn’s goal of total enslavement. THAT was a long unhappy story that’s proofed a half-dozen who MIGHT have been second-generation otherwise: My nephew and two nieces have NO interest in renewing their association with scn, as tenuous as it was: Their ‘mission-holder” set up the “mission” as a commune which was in South Jersey, then North Jersey, then two or more locations in Maine in the ’80s. Never offered much more than the TRs course and “primary rundown”; AFAICT, only 3 from her “mission” ever went onto higher orgs.
I love the description of your life.
These are the bits that are SO uplifting.
I love hearing of ex-SO having babies, having good jobs and BBQs and vacations on the lake.
I remind myself daily, how lucky I am too.
🙂
Rip Van Winkle, So how did you finally see the light and get out of the church?
I’m UTR, so I don’t give specifics, as the specifics could narrow it down. But I can tell you that I had a great trauma and everything shattered in one moment. Dealing with it was hard, (understatement) and it’s been hard since, but getting better all the time, and I owe a great deal to this board, you folks, and the others, Tony, Aaron, Chris, Leah, and company. All the books, all the blogs, all the things that have helped me feel less alone . Plus one great friend, and a couple great family members who know how to keep silent 🙂
I’m still constantly adjusting to having secrets for the first time since childhood. 🙂
Rip V Winkle, Well we’re glad you’re out. Welcome to the daylight!!!!! Did you have one big “Ah Ha!” moment, or did it come on you slowly. What was the thing that got you to look?
I just suddenly knew it was all BS. Big trauma, then just, blink, and I just knew. Nothing mattered anymore and I knew I’d been had. It was precipitated by trauma.
I’ve been reading, listening, and looking since then. But it was gone in a blink.
Rip Van Wnkle, you are one of those good and honorable people. You were giving up everything to, what you believed, was going to save an entire planet, billions of people, and make the world a safe place for everyone.
Thanks. This IS what we were going for. The betrayal is astronomical.
I not only lost every single thing I thought was true, it also turned the past 40 years black. Everything I was proud of, all of my accomplishments turned evil or at best, useless. The things I did to “help” were just cult sucking things. I lost a billion “fond memories”.
It’s all covered in rot and filth and was based upon lies.
I want no sympathy for what I say, but the understanding in our community really helps. I hear others’ stories and how they have come to terms. It gives me food for thought and ideas of ways I may come to view things.
For now, I just allow myself to deal and let things ….be.
It’s moving along and getting better.
The present and the future are lovely things.
🙂
Thanks, Peggy.
Yep. Nothing about getting people in to salvage them for eternity and create a sane and cleared world. No training needed, no auditing, just give money money money!
It’s pretty cool, actually.
Drives the flock away more and more each day, and ruins it for anyone unfortunate enough to try to solve some of their troubles in life by trying out scn.
Yay for dummy DM.
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my own Thursday Funny came in the mail this morning, the latest Golden Age of Knowledge News arrived – the newspapery thing.
Bold headlines, “TAKE LIFE INTO YOUR OWN HANDS”
Doing scn really IS risking your life. It’s not even a risk, actually, it’s a 100 percent certainty that you’ll get fleeced and a head full of dirty useless fluff.
Sounds like a game I could do without.
We can still play checkers, right?
I bet your checkers board pieces consist of bottles of beer and dubbies (joints). Now that would be a pretty fun way to play checkers!
Damn! You do know me well!
Nah! Pirates wizards, and bums (What a combo!) hate money and shiny status trophies.
Aarrrgggggggg! I’m still a pirate!
And what’s your parrot’s name? Let me guess – Reg.
Sativa.
Cool man… you just gave me the munchies.
Pirates and wizards and bums – oh my!
Pirates wizards, and bums is just a shotgun method of trying to hit a button when they haven’t a clue WHAT they really want to be when they’ve crossed the bridge
Wow, you probably get a nice commendation for your ethics file. Almost makes me want to redo my A-E. Dave’s approval means the world. Damn, my critical thinking turned on again and discouraged me from participating in the Old Tricks (OT) Committee. Must be my overts.
If it is your overts, go with it.
I just thought of something; any coincidence that Leah’s show is on the A&E network while the way back into Scientology if you get kicked out is to do what are called a-e steps?
Coincidence or was that intended?
Anybody know?
I’m into overts. Motivators are for pussies.
🙂
I’m into rock slamming.
I LIKE pussies! what d’ya got against them? 😉
A&E vs A-E: iMO, just happy happenstance, or should I say happystance?
If I give them a dollar, will they go away?
“What causes an affluence maintains an affluence.” They will come for more.
The only way to get them to go away is for one to walk away and keep walking away.
Two other effective methods:
1. Claim you’re Xenu and have just escaped from the mountain trap
2. Pull out a 44 Magnum
OMG! OMG! OMG! PLEASE let me go with you!
We can call Dave and all his underlings in for a tax audit and drop them off in the middle of Lake Pontchartrain in canoes without paddles.
I am so fucking there!!!
Nope, you’ll just get hustled, I mean regged, six ways to Sunday. That’s Scientology, if someone gives them a dollar, there’s another where that one came from and they’ll do whatever they can to get it.
I just want to go to one of these OT committees and ask for an OT power demonstration. But I’m one of them awful espees so that’s not happening.
“If someone give them a dollar, there’s another where that one came from and they’ll do whatever they can to get it.”
Many years ago my father began a business in a third world country and when I was in my late teens at his inducement I joined him there and stayed for several years. I helped in his office, and attended a college there, taking up a variety of interesting but useless courses from a career standpoint. I learned the official language of the country and also its patois, , and otherwise lived quite a grand life, as was possible to do in that place, given the low cost of living and what the American dollar could buy there, which was a great deal. In addition to the small salary I didn’t deserve that I’d get for “working” for my father, I had a car, no grocery or housing expenses, and an allowance of $50 per week
I was, in short, quite a supremely wealthy young woman – in THAT country. $50 a week was a FORTUNE to the vast majority people there… To the best of my knowledge, it still is.
I’d go shopping, in the downtown areas, where you bargained for everything. (Which I had no idea how to do, so in the beginning and for many months afterwardsI always paid whatever they asked.) There were no clothing stores or department stores. If you needed clothing you bought material and had it made. Seamstresses and tailors abounded and worked very cheaply. Or you’d make a trip to the states and buy clothes there. You could buy gold jewelry there, if you wanted it. Very cheap. Real French perfume, if you were into that. And then, the amazing art – drawings, water colors and wooden figurines – beautiful stuff, and so very, very cheap
In the beginning I bought nothing. I’d come back up to the house empty handed, my whole allowance gone.
There were a lot of beggars. I’d never seen anything like this before, never seen poor people like this before. I’ll spare you the details, because its not my intention to depress you, but to make a point, which (I promise :)) is coming soon.
Okay, so,back to the beggars..,.I was horrified, shocked. I was a teen who’d grown up in a comfortable, middle class suburban American home.. What I saw was unspeakable, What was staring me in the face, this poverty – it was unthinkable, yet undeniable. They’d mill around me, following, beseeching…”please, please…” People of all ages, mothers holding babies. There were bony, bent, little kids with big staring eyes who’d say nothing but only lock eyes and hold out a little hand, palm up. Those eyes – I’d never seen children with that expression before. I couldn’t wait to give them every cent I had and then jump in my car and go home, trying to blot it all out.
I’d come back from a “shopping” trip and at dinner my father (no dummy, who’d traveled all over the world) would ask me, “So, what did you buy today?” and I’d avert my gaze and mumble something to the effect that I hadn’t found anything I’d liked, or some other lie that I thought would go over.
Which of course he was having none of. With understanding, he’d say, “You know, you’re not going to fix the ills of this country by giving your allowance away. Its not going to help at all, you know that, don’t you?”
And I’d say, “But I can’t STAND it!, Dad! I can’t! I can’t – I have to give them SOMEthing and there’s just so MANY of them and…”
“Then stay up here and don’t go to town. Go to school and ride your horse.”
“They follow me when I ride! They KNOW me!”
He’d sigh, “Ok, ok. You’ll learn. You’ll get used to it. How much do you need?”
“You’re WRONG! I’ll NEVER get used to it!”
“Yes, you will”. And he’d dole out 10 bucks or so to me so I’d have money for the rest of the week.
He was right. I got used to it. Eventually, I was able to go downtown and buy things.
And they stopped following me, the way they used to in the beginning. I’d give a little, but not everything I had. I came to accept what was the gargantuan gap, the enormous disparity between what I had, and what these people had. It just was, that’s all. I accepted it.
Once I was over being totally triggered by sights that made me feel incredibly guilty for being me and for them being them, I also saw what I had done in the beginning to trigger THEM.
First, I hadn’t bargained for anything. I asked the price, was told, and paid it!
Whoa! Apparently in their eyes, this made me less than an idiot!
In their eyes, not bargaining, ever, paying full price for everything (keep in mind that “full price” in that country was always an amazing bargain) made me not only an obviously rich American girl but an incredibly stupid one! This was their culture. Word got around about me and all I had to do was show up to draw a crowd!
To live there I had to learn to look at things from THEIR viewpoint. Even the very rich people of that country bargained (I’m talking about the actual rich, the handful of oligarchs who ran that country) – even these people bargained – ALWAYS. In fact , ESPECIALLY, did these truly rich native born people bargain. Fiercely! People who produced the country’d principal exports, who sent their kids to school in Switzerland,whose wives made shopping trips to Paris – THAT kind of rich. Oh, did they bargain, getting the price of that tomato or bolt of cloth down, haggling with some a poverty stricken peasant or townie who made in a year what would be daily pocket change for them. It horrified me, in the beginning. How could any comfortably-fixed person NOT pay this paltry asking price? I couldn’t understand it. How could anyone be so stingy as to deny this to such needy people?
And the uber rich of that country – again, these were not Americans like my father whose money went a long way – this handful of people were multi millionaires – these super wealthy there would frequently ignore the beggars. They had their favorites that they’d give a little to. They’d give a look – just a look, mind you, and that would be enough. They’d be left alone.
Heartless, I thought them. But I was looking at things from an American viewpoint and I was not living in America. I was in THEIR culture. And in their culture, even respect from beggars had to be EARNED. Beggars were a fact of life. They weren’t going away. And to navigate AROUND they had to give you your space. They had to respect you. And the way they respected you was when they knew that you could say “no”. Walk away from them. Also, that you didn’t nave the reputation for paying right away what they told you was the price which THEY “KNEW” was WAY too high! What kind of a jerk did THAT, you know?
So I learned.
Anyway, finally the point! (And if you’ve managed to stick with this so far, thank you!)
When I got into Scientology, I found that the more I gave, the more I was hounded. Surrounded! Staff, Sea Org, public regging for things, always at my elbow. Calling me, constantly. It was never enough, never enough, never enough. Oh, you
And they knew, somehow, just how to trigger me. Won’t you help? Help, help, please…I started getting that old feeling, like I had with the beggars in that country, back in the day. That hopeless feeling that no matter what I did, it wasn’t enough, would never be enough.
The cult unceasingly pointed out the world’s undeniable problems. There was SO much WRONG that had to be made right. How could I not help, not give, after all? With all this NEED. How could I not?
At some point, I’d say about 8 or nine years into my culthood, the lesson learned long ago from that country kicked back in.
The world had huge problems, yes. But – so what?
Would me going broke and not being able to pay my Con Ed bill help?
No.
I would do what I could.
A funny thing happened after that cognition (excuse the Scientologese).
A different energy came out of me. I COULD say no. i COULD get reg’ged with every button on the console pressed and still say “No” and mean it, and walk away (when they’d let me.)
AND, I could BARGAIN with them. With these people who were “working their guts out” to clear the planet. I could go back and forth with them and agree on an amount that I knew I could handle at some point. They weren’t able to shame me anymore. I could haggle with the people who were saving the planet.
Funny thing, once I started applying the lesson I’d learned with beggars in a 3rd World country to the Scientology beggars, lo and behold! They treated me better!
Oh, the love bombing remained the same. But when they knew that I could and would haggle with them; when they KNEW that I could say “No”, and MEAN it, and walk away, like the beggars back in the day, they respected me. i stopped getting surrounded. When I gave them something, I knew they appreciated it more. I created boundaries. I had that right to create boundaries for myself and I did!
And so, just like my experience many years before with those truly unfortunate, poverty stricken beggars who were utterly dependent upon handouts in order to subsist, so, too, with the Scientologists, the LESS I gave them, and the less frequently I gave it, the more they respected me.
That this should be so still disturbs me. It shouldn’t be. But its the truth, my truth.
And OMG, thanks for reading all this if you have, and if you haven’t, I don’t blame you. Didn’t intend for it to be soooo long!
Thanks Aqua, very informative. Since I give Scientology nothing they respect me enough to stay away. Either that, or they’re just plain scared of me!
I’m glad, MJM. Its good to make Koolaid Drinkers scared of you 🙂 That’s really all they understand.
But back in the day, it took a lot for me to finally GET that desperately poor people. have their own standards and expectations which include being not overpaid!
As poor and disadvantaged as they were, and as “rich” as they believed I was, they nevertheless had their own handle on what was right and proper. Whether they were emaciated beggars, or shopkeepers or itinerant peddlers, they knew exactly how much they “deserved”. And once I learned their language, I could bargain and banter with them and they loved that, and so did I. They’d see me coming and call out a welcome. They actually liked me, I could tell. Less money for them, and they needed money very badly. But they needed to like and respect me more, I suppose. And in this way their whole country opened up to me. I learned so much. Mostly that giving people money does NOT make them like you. Or respect you. Not even extremely impoverished people! People who live in shacks with no flooring or indoor plumbing. Sure, they’ll take your money if you offer it, and that’s fine, no harm done. But do they really like you, respect you? Not necessarily! You have to earn that from them, as you have to earn it from anyone. A mind blowing lesson!
So these Scientology org people – their affinity, their love bombing…you give them enormous sums of money, or, if not enormous, large enough where its a real challenge for you to afford it. Well, sure they take it. But do they really like you? Respect you? Not necessarily. They may even make fun of you behind your back.
These Whales, who think they’re loved, because of all the money they give Cavid Miscavige – guess again, guys. If indeed you’re loved or even liked, that’s not the reason!
Thanks for responding. I’m sure Davy boy is laughing at them behind their backs for being so easily taken in by all the smoke and mirrors. Curious to know what country you were in.
Whine Alert:
I do miss my Edit Button.
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Happy 4th of July Everyone!
We’re celebrating Independence on all dynamics!
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As always, thanks so much, Mike!
Have a great day with your lovely family
because of what you’re doing to reunite other families.
We love you!
AMEN, brother!
WE are (mostly) independant, able and willing to make our own way in a world that is much nicer than they wanted us to believe.
When I can, I contribute what I can to the Aftermath Foundation. I hope to someday be a front-line Foundation volunteer, a smiling face welcoming them to the real world. I’m told I’ve got a good smile 😉
What? Wine alert? What are we having? Cab? Merlot? Wait… what was that? Oh, crap. My bad. So what are going to whine about?
Hey! Aquamarine! You wore my finger out scrolling through your post! My finger needs to workout more.
🙂 Thanks for reading, OSD.
that was great.
I had a way of saying, “no” as well. It did work out for me quite well.
Good job. It felt GREAT to be able to say, “no thanks” or “I’m not doing that right now”.
Loved reading your experiences, Aqua. What country were you living in at that time?
I finally learned to say NO and get away with not giving a dime after decades in the cult. LRH wrote a reference for staff on how to say No and one of the drills was to stand in front of a mirror and practice saying no to the mirror. Great idea. Just keep repeating NO till they get it. I did that on my last trip to Flag.
At that time the registrars all thought that I’d inherited a lot of money cuz my mom had died. They spent my whole trip at Flag having every person on the org board reg me to give Flag the money, reg me to stay when I was done with my action, reg me to tell them “what your inheritance amount is.” etc. I made it my game to say NO and stay uptone while doing it and to just TR 3 it (repeating it). They sent me from one post to another and no matter what that person’s post was, the purpose of it became to reg me for the money. One person, the Qual person, was human enough to actually hate using her post to reg me for money instead of what she should have been doing and I could see her kind of flinch and ask apologetically for the money. At least she knew it was an overt and was off policy. The others didn’t.
They took my plane ticket and cancelled my flight back and rescheduled it for two days later so that they had two more days to wear me down for money. I still said NO. My big win in getting through Scn (the way out is through…. the door), is that I left with all my money intact. I didn’t have a big inheritance, but it was the principle for me. No way were they going to get it when they had practically bankrupt me from all the previous successful begging for money off me. I got out of there without giving a dime and I felt a tremendous win at that and at not getting all restimulated over it.
yess. It’s fun to tell the happily tell a reg, “sorry, but I’ve done the “No Drill” to EP!”
I had another trick too… I’d just change topics, and start blathering on and on and on about some win or other that I’d had. Something totally off topic. Something I was doing or working on, some good thing, and I’d just keep talking about whatever I wanted to, all very enthusiastic…just joyous….
just WASTE all of their time…until they give up and go away.
Man, but those IAS guys REALLY hate hearing wins.
A terrific ploy, Rip, and I’m chuckling just imagining it. So funny because per the tech they can’t invalidate your wins, ha ha!
To those who asked, I can’t say what country because its TMI and I’m still UTR, but the country I lived in was, and I believe still is, in the top 8 poorest in the world. Cindy, VWD on withstanding that pressure via the NO drill which was LRH tech. That was a great win.
Thanks Aqua. I considered it a big win and was the last time I was ever at Flag. That trip did me in and I decided not to come back on that trip. The two big eye openers for me were the nonstop money grubbing from me cuz they thought i had money, and the big lies they told about Hy Levy. When I saw how he enter so over the top to get me to hate Hy and disconnect, I knew they had gone criminal. I went home called Hy, told him what they were saying, got his side of it and the truth shattered all the lies and I never went back. There are some high costs to having your integrity though, and I’m living with that.
I’m glad for you. – and sorry for the costs. There are costs no matter which way you jump, if you’ve got loved ones still in. 🙁
My spouse was on VII before I was, and came home telling me of how after a session, the EXAMINER AT FLAG would do the exam and then ask for Basics donos. Right there, in the exam room.
I hit the roof. Could. Not. Believe. It.
If that was me? I’d never FN at exams again, sitting and stewing and hating what was about to happen. I’d’ve KRed and been declared for daring to spout policy.
The basics regging ….DM is un-Freakin-unbelievable
But, again, Kudos to him. He’s bringing it all down so that others don’t waste money on OT lies. 🙂
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Aqua, thanks for the info. Lessons hard won are sometimes the best of all. You know something of the world what 99% of Americans will never understand.
Thanks, Wynsi. Living there was an eye opener for sure.
Aqua – I loved your story and what a great analogy. What a great experience you had. I know you didn’t mention what country but I’m guessing Haiti.
You’re welcome, Ms. P. I’m UTR so would rather not say. It wasn’t Haiti. Just as poor, though, I believe.
If you give them a dollar…they’ll tie you up and go through every pocket you have.
Unlike the Field of Dreams, for Dave it’s more accurate to say if you build it they won’t come.
….not only that…but in the building of it… they bleed the field dry, drive them away with heavy and constant regging, drive more away by punishing those who get fed up, then … try to run a bright shiny new org with a decimated field and staff … who all grow disillusioned when the org doesn’t magically fill up and
their voices echo
in the empty halls
of unpaid utilities….
and still…. the staff left are to blame for not booming.
Because “downstats are made”
and ‘the tech always works’
right?
No. That’s like giving a seagull one french fry.
A dollar?
A DOLLAR?!!!!!!!!!
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You’ve got to be kidding me!
I don’t think ANYTHING costs a dollar in Scientology!
Spit?
Hell, OSD, they’ll charge ten dollars for that!
I heard the Regges were looking at creating their chain, “Find and Dive Stores.” Once you enter they find where you have your money and dive straight in to remove it.
Michael:, if you give them a dollar, they’ll NEVER go away. Even if you move, change your name, etc., they’ll track you down to steal every last one of those dollars you’ve been holding out on.