Here is a new pitch from one of the next “ideal orgs.”
Learn how to recover people. It’s a scary prospect….
I can guarantee there are more EX public in this org than there are current public. And that goes for EVERY scientology org on earth except perhaps Taiwan.
I wonder if the training includes watching Going Clear and Aftermath? How the hell would you “recover” someone and think they have not seen these things? And if the “recoverers” don’t know anything about the shows, how are they going to “handle them”?
But then if the “recoverers” watch those shows they might need to be recovered themselves?
Life’s a bitch.
Dear Fantastic Santa Barbarian and Venturian Scientologists!
Recovering folks in our field is a high priority. This can be a high confront, scary prospect – showing up uninvited and knocking on a door of an ARCXn public. You can have huge wins doing this…if you know and have drilled the recovery tech well!
A veteran LA area recovery specialist has offered to come up and twin for a day in the field with one or a few of our FSMs. If you are interesting in “learning the ropes” as a recovery specialist, please email me back at [email protected] and I will put you in touch. This recovery specialist is willing to come up on a number of days, so there are multiple apprenticeship opportunities!
There are some wonderful people in our field who need to come back to Scientology. Let me know, okay?
ML,
Pete
PS: Haven’t all these people done the mandatory PTS/SP Course that teaches them how to confront and shatter suppression? How come they can’t do it?
As hilarious and very revealing as this tactic is, I can’t help feeling very sad for remaining active members.. I cannot imagine the level of pressure and expectations on their misguided selves. It’s like a 10-man rowing team operating with 2 rowers with the expectation that the boat speed be the same.
“When a man has so far corrupted and prostituted the chastity of his mind, as to subscribe his professional belief to things he does not believe, he has prepared himself for the commission of every other crime.”
Thomas Paine
Recovery, what recovery!
Ive been on this line, only just recently, 2x So came out to my place , I’m 1 1/2hours from the org,
They were very friendly on the phone , and said can they bring me something, I replied 2x bottles of wine and 2 dozen Steinlagers, (they didn’t , I was gutted)
now when they arrived I offered them to stay the night, and I demanded that we all put our cell phones on the bed just off the lounge , with the door half closed which they did,I don’t want their bosses ringing every 2 minutes, that would just piss me off.
we talked about my time in Scn and people I knew, for about 3 Hours Now they had just come from a earlier ex that went badly wrong and they looked shell shocked, so I kept it light,,
One of the buttons that they reacted to was the number of exs on the internet, they were confused , It didn’t stack up to what they have been told (.300 SPs)
#2 the statement ” we are the only ones helping people”,I noticed He was visibly upset, which indicated Failed help.and things not going too well.
#3 the female SO person mentioned the earlier Client said that we are a Cult.,I said” No really” ,Naw (criminal)under my breath, so they do know something is awfully wrong with the Church,
When The female left
Thanking me for being so kind ,and easy to talk to ,and wanted to hug me .which took me by surprise ,(Havingness a bit down), I’m embarrassed as I,m in old dirty work clothes and had just drunk a bottle of wine with the neighbours
Now after they left my flatmate comes out of her room and tells me she Hacked their phones, the Bedroom are connecting. Shit really.She told me months earlier she could do these things.
Now I do have to live up to my Motto,” Do others before they do you.”:
I’m on so many Comm lines at the AO I’ll have to get a secretary To keep it going.
How did I get into this mess, ??
Dont tell me! .
PS All I asked from them which they said they would do Is
What is my Clear Number,?
When did I get Dead Filed ?
How much$ is in my A/c ?
Still no Answer, Withold maybe?
Granitt.
Was one of them Ken Hoden? He called me from ASHO Chaplin Office about 6 mos ago. Promised to look into my upset concerning disconnection and of course never phoned back.
I’ve been supposedly declared since end July 4 years ago. They have problems with their state of the art address list.
well if you take more than your getting & your not happy why would anyone stay & guess D.M either dose not care or he can’t see what he’s done but maybe when he’s sitting w TC & handful of ppl he might say oh Crap what happened and if your a “Church” aren’t they there to HELP ppl not tear them down & I’ve lived being abused & when you get OUT why would anyone wanna go back,change your name & move away and hope they won’t find you….
Poor Pete can’t even write a simple email without a grammar screw up:
If you are interesting in “learning the ropes”
And Santa Barbarian? Is that Kris Kringle amped up on testosterone?
Thanks Mike! I remember too well the endless B.S. seminars designed to “handle the dissaffected”. Of course the public they were suggesting were far from ~us~true SP’s..
No no…it’s really designed for the millions who got suckered into buying “Dianetics” or did a few courses and either never showed up…or left saying:
“No F#ing way!”
Prove me wrong, Scientologists! Grab Harold Bezazian and Bill Yaude and come on over. I didn’t think so!!
P.S. Unlike most “O.T.7’s & 8’s….or “dave”…*I* actually can confront anyone on any subject.
LURKERS: KEEP READING THE NET!
I have to say wow. It’s no wonder no one in our government will investigate SCN…it is BEYOND STUPID!!!! Who could believe this stuff is true?
I get calls from time to time from some recovery phone bank and sometimes I would say that they had the wrong person. Then my Dad, when he was still alive, shared that he would offer to help get the caller out…So I did that too. Eventually…My kids and I came up with the “my cat Xenu says I can’t talk anymore”.
I virtually never watch TV; I have too much else to do. I’m traveling for work and my hubby says he watched the show tonight. I missed it, but I recalled hearing somewhere that it was available on Amazon. So I went online and bought the first season.
Just finished watching the first two shows. Whew. I can only say thank you, to you and to Leah. Kick butt and take names Miss Leah…If anybody can do it, it’s you.
They made sure my parents would never come forward. They scared the crap out of them. I knew what they did to me on Flag, the lies they told…I’ve never been willing to risk it all. All my family is out. The most I’ve had the courage to do is to approach the people they send to Wal-Mart with Dianetics books and e-meters; strike up a conversation, tell them I was on Flag with LRH and then break the bad news that he was insane. They are ALWAYS gone by the time I’m done shopping.
BTW, in my house – no one spends money on Cruise or Travolta movies. I wouldn’t even let my son get the MI Lego Dimensions pack. Any chance that something we buy might enrich Cruise…it doesn’t get bought. If you decide to put the show on DVD, I’ll be happy to stock the local libraries with them!!!
Thank you and may blessings and protection be upon you and your families.
I agree! Put the show on DVD please!!!!!
Can not wait for season 2 of Aftermath! Just one more day.
I can not begin to express how excited I am about this season. Way to go Mike and Leah.
This is like Muhammad Ali in the ring with a skinny-legged little David Miscavige. (Gosh, that image in my mind is hilarious). Try using your OT powers against the coming juggernaut, David, seeing as how you are a supreme being! Show your parishioners who’s boss!
Wow, it’s pretty bad when they have to have a “recovery specialist” come all the way up from LA.
Hi – off topic for today but I just watched a small promo that A & E ran about tomorrow’s episode. One thing struck me when Mike said that in the videos his kids that are still in made where they say he was a horrible father and he says ” they’re right – I was a Sea Org dad “, I got angry all over again that Scientology put him and other parents in the position of removing parental rights and responsibilities and then when it suits their agenda they use it against them as if how they treated their children was their decision and theirs alone – as if it had nothing to do with following the ch**ch and its policies. They point fingers at the parents for following the Sea Org policies.
As they say when you point a finger at someone else – three are pointing back at you.
(I have no doubt when I watch the full episode tomorrow I’ll be outraged at what those two girls have to say)
No doubt. I just watched it. Unbelievable!!
Life is a lot cheaper outside the church of Scientology
I use to get these uninvited calls from various Sea Org members on a regular basis. Usually they were trying to get money out of me to pay off my $150,000 Freeloader Bill.
One time I was sitting in my backyard minding my own business on friggin Labor Day and Emily Becker and her European sidekick gal came into my backyard in which she opened a side gate to get to.
They always come in pairs. Just like the Jehovah’s knocked on my this past weekend.
Not many people seem to know, but here in the Netherlands the JW have a register for people who have an issue with JW showing up. It helps to gtet in there if you say you prefer to go to hell. 😛
In the words of L Ron Hubbard I think poor Pete is “whistling past the graveyard”.
And Dave is shitting in his pants.
Dave’s pompadour continues to exist…
It doesnt make sense. If people say why they are gone it will not be accepted.
One cannot freely speak his mind and release his actual BPC. To recover people, it has to be scientology, and it’s not.
Scientology is what creates the upset. It cannot get rid of what it creates.
“Let me know, okay?”
Well Pete, it went like this, I went Sam Clam’s house and 10pm and he called the police.
I went to Bill Clam’s house the next night at 9pm and he called the police.
I went to Carrie Clam’s house the next night and she shouted ‘where is my son?’. I didn’t know that she had been declared SP and her Sea Org son had disconnected from her. I should have been told that. She called the police too.
Will the OTC help me with the Trespassing charges and fins? If you want to find me, look along the side of the highway, I’ll be picking up trash as part of my community service. They wouldn’t let me pass out Way to Happiness booklets, seems that is not a public service.
Mike are you worried that Miscavagie may order all 20 million scientologists to cancel their A & E subscription prior to tomorrow night?
That is worrisome…
(laughter)
Heh Heh Heh.
I’m SURE Mike is shaking in his boots about it.
Bwa ha ha ha ha autocorrect is so funny. You mean all 20 remaining scientolgists, right?
I think Dave ought to hold his next event here:
http://sportsmenslodge.com/meetings-events/
I just had to have a good laugh! Absolutely howled at the first lines about having wins confronting ARC broken ex’s when knocking on the front door! First of all with my cameras you are not getting in the front door & you will be the ones doing amends because with all your OTness whoops what is Ann’s gate code?!Love to Leah, Mike & family,& all on Aftermath2! So Good!!??
“…because with all your OTness whoops what is Ann’s gate code?” LMAO!
Ann, maybe someone on the Bridge Recovery Team will figure it out, then right it up as OT Phenomena in Advance Magazine…riiiight.
Edit: “write” not right, it up.
The very fact that they have to “recover” someone back speaks volumes on its own.
They don’t need to recover anyone. They need to discover they’ve been conned.
Thanks for the information Mike. But I can’t think why Pete-baby thinks that “….showing up uninvited and knocking on a door of an ARCXn public. ….can be a high confront, scary prospect” Personally I’d welcome the sci-goons banging on my door any time of the day or night to press gang me back to the make a voluntary donation.
I was looking for a religion where I could have huge wins applying recovery tech.
So koll off pete – you’re a sick man
If anyone wants to watch The Aftermath and doesn’t have an A&E subscription, ask Mike for my email and I can refer you to Sling TV (not expensive) for a discount. You can access the service off your phone, laptop or iPad with an internet connection. Feel free to ask me for details.
There has always been a heavy emphasis on recovery. Hammer on existing staff and students, even when their production has been fine. Maybe it’s been ramped up lately, IDK. But it always seemed that real expansion, i.e., bringing in hordes of new people, has either fallen short and not gotten any attention to fix it, or didn’t get the attention in the first place which was why it always fell short. Now, more and more it looks like Scn is fully in “circle the wagons” mode, and quite possibly was on its way there for a couple of decades at least.
I have an UTR friend who is connected to a friend who is in the church and drinking the KA. That friend told her that she just completed the Survival R/D after being on it 9 months (and doing it for second time, and having big schedule every day on the course.) Two telling comments were made by the KA drinker: she said that on the progress board that is posted in the courseroom, all the existing old timers have finished it and there are no names on the left side of the thing starting it. No new people coming in and no one else starting it She wondered what will happen now? Also she said ths.t she doubts a new raw public will come and like being told to do an intensive schedule 5 nights a week, several hours a night and hours upon hours of objectives may prove to be way out gradient for newbies. For one thing they’ll balk at the schedule. I think this person has two very valid points.
How ironic! I used A&E Docu Series Scientology: Aftermath – starring Mike Rinder and Leah Remini to get people out!
It worked!
One of them just called me to inform that she was summoned to get recovered and she told them – no way! Not after seeing Mike Rinder and Leah Remini’s show!!
He told them to watch it – they will understand everything!!
Now that’s what I call dissemination!
Way to Go Idle Morgue!!!!! YOur stats are way up!
Yipee!
I’m not going to say that if you’re stupid enough to open the door to an uninvited group of $cilons, then you deserve the destruction and loss that $cn is certain to wreak on your bank account and family, because that would be cruel and unfeeling in just the same way that the cherch routinely operates.
But I will say that the very best decision that a $cilon cultist can make is to get out of the cult and never look back! The fact that the cult is trying to convince its former marks to line up for further fleecing, just demonstrates how close to impossible it’s become to run the con successfully on new ones. If no new cultists are joining up, then existing $cilons are going to have to foot all of the cult’s very large bills which it’s incurred in trying to maintain the illusion of exponential expansion in the face of its actual “straight down and vertical” stats.
If $cn worked as Elron promised, then the cherch would have a veritable tsunamai of normal folks busting down the doors in order to acquire all those super-powered Oatee abilities — like being stably exterior with full perceptics — which were once touted as being 100% standardly achievable by all who make it to the tippy-top of the most expensive toll bridge ever created. But because it doesn’t, no one new is joining up and existing members are getting out while the getting is still good.
If you’re a still-in member who’s been going on hoping that something (anything!) is going to turn it around for your faux religion, then *slap, slap* it’s time for you to wake up to the reality of your situation and get out of the cult NOW, while the gettin’ is still good. It’s only going to get worse from here on out under lil davey’s ruthless reign, so don’t let it yourself be the last one off that sinking ship of fools.
Being a Scientologist today reminds me of that old Gershwin song, I’ve Got Plenty of Nothing.
Reminds me of that Oliver Twist character, the Artful Dodger’s song, “Got to pick a pocket or two…”
It’s time for a Scientology ‘Bonfire of the Vanities’ party whereby they burn all the psych books and other squirrel publications (this could go on for a long time!) in celebration of 100% GAT 2 KSW Super Standard Tech, and use the festivities as a platform for a CCHR fundraiser, in addition to IAS and Ideal Org programs. This will attract the most dedicated (brain addled) Scientologists, who as FSMs, will set an example to their selectees to support this humanitarian endeavor. If it is standardly done, there’ll be an avalanche of recovered ex-Scientologists who know a good show when they see one. They should do it at night for heightened dramatic effect like the KKK does.
Is there a newly launched campaign to recover people? I guess I’m back to screening my calls and not answering the door. Let me know when it’s over. Maybe I can just hand them the box of junk mail that they send me and kindly ask them to get me off of their damn mailing lists.
Pitchforks and shotguns are more effective.
I have had more laughs, giggles and guffaws (yes guffaws, if you can think of a better one go ahead.) today than in a very long time. My stomach muscles are a little achy. Any trolls who might be lurking take notice. This is just one little example of what defying scientology will bring you. Slightly dampened pants. Yup not afraid to say it. I’m old and I’m not no damned scientologist.
If you’re bringing pitchforks you gotta bring torches…
Sounds like a Frankenstein movie.
That’s what Scientology is.
Put a picture of Leah Remni on your front door.
That’ll do it! Great idea! Her picture will be like garlic, to deter vampires…and regges.
Bingo! 1000 internets for that suggestion.
But, do not go around big blue posting the pics of Mike and Leah advertising the A&E Aftermath show.
The perfect scientologist repellent.
As someone else remarked, what would be really interesting would be to know the the details of what they’re doing, who they’re targeting and which people they are most effective on.
My bet is that a large number of “recoveries” come from people who they discover who they can effectively essentially blackmail – people who still have family, social, and business ties, who are afraid of disconnection, which is probably being implicitly threatened. Isn’t that similar to what happened with Lois?
I’d guess that a lot of the remainder might be old timers, perhaps getting old and with time on their hands, who haven’t been exposed to much of the modern media coverage.
And I’d suspect that what they are touting that worked even a couple of years ago, is not working nearly as well after all the revelations and bad PR – except perhaps with the people that they can really threaten with disconnection.
Old timers “with time on their hands” typically spend a great deal of time watching lots of TV and getting riled up about what they see and hear. Its pretty much their only “stimulation”. They’re quite “media exposed”. This is a generalization of course but its workable. For example, the median age for a Fox News watcher is now 78. That’s pretty old for a “median” age. Very unlikely the cult can “recover” more than a few people over 65. Once they get hooked on TV and politics in their easy chairs, good luck getting them to learn anything or get audited.
I get your main point, Aquamarine, but the median age of a Fox News watcher is NOT 78. It is 68.:
“Fox News’s biggest problem isn’t the Ailes ouster, it’s that its average …
https://qz.com/…/fox-newss-biggest-problem-isnt-the-ailes-ouster-its-that-its-average-…
Jul 21, 2016 – The median age of a primetime Fox News iewer is 68, according to Nielsen. That means half of the channel’s viewers are older than 68.” Along these lines, I once asked a SO member why all the brochures and the mural at one of the Scn Information Centers feature 20 somethings and one token middle age person in them? She replied that they target young people because they can handle change better than old people, and that young people seem to be searching more than old people.
I wonder though, Peace, do really think there will ever be a large number of recovered? I’d like to think (and maybe I’m wrong here) that most of the people who’ve left davey behind now have so much more courage. Even in the face of threats of blackmail, they see the bigger picture now. They’re not alone. What may have frightened them years ago may not have the power to scare them any longer. Many have been given strength through the efforts of Mike,Tony, Leah and the many who inhabit these sites, of whom you are not the least.
It will be interesting to see how many harrassment complaints are filed by ex’s who get more than one visit by these “recovery teams” after telling them to, “Go away, and don’t come back.”
Is it possible to get one of those – (what do you call them, the name escapes me right now – an order from the court that someone has to stay away from you) – one of those orders, but one that doesn’t keep a person away, but an entire group?
Restraining Order! That’s the phrase I meant. Is it possible to obtain a restraining order for an organization or is it only applicable for an individual? I suspect its the latter but possibly someone knows for sure.
Amidoinitrite? Yes. I’m bad.
“Hi Pete,
Saw your e-mail on Mike Rinder’s blog at https://www.mikerindersblog.org/its-scary-out-there/
Thought you needed a reality check. By far most people who said goodbye to Scientology don’t want to go back for good reasons. See these sites if you want to know more
http://whyweprotest.wikia.com/wiki/Former_Church_of_Scientology_members_who_have_spoken_out
http://whyweprotest.wikia.com/wiki/Accounts_of_Scientology%27s_Disconnection_Policy_by_Former_Members_and_Others
http://tonyortega.org/
I hope your confront is good enough to check these links out.
ML,
Trev”
Well, what’s a dying cult supposed to do? PR in the toilet, no possibility of new people…sounds to me like Miscavige asked the I Ching for some advic, thru the coins or yarrow stalks and got Hexagram 18: “Work on what has been spoiled”. Ha ha ha! Interesting hexagram full of images of bowls of spoiled food with worms in them…yes, Dwarf, this is what you’ve done, now fix it. And good luck!
In 1968 L Ron Hubbard LIED about the reason for departures from Scientology. And he never amended his HCOB’s and HCOPL’s to reflect the revelation that people leave because of too many upsets and disagreements. Not because they have sins transgressions (overts). This admission was made in writing to David Mayo and former Snr ED INT Bill Franks and they were instructed to NEVER MENTION IT because then Hubbard would lose all control of Scientologists. I bring this up because any attempt to “recover” a person is simply going to piss them off further with assertions of crimes that the person never committed in the first place. Every time they use that “tech” they drive the wedge in even deeper.
Scientology “recovery tech” reminds me of the lyrics to that Talking Heads song, “putting out a fire with gasoline.”
Hubbard said “the only reason…” a lot didn’t he? You know… another famous one was civilisations disappear only because they can’t study. Go figure that & tell that to a general with a zillion soldiers to control and feed plus placate his King or Queen to keep his head on his shoulders.
For a subject with a basic such as ‘absolutes are unobtainable,’ it sure is criminally whacky.
I keep referring to “organised Scientology” a lot these days. I feel I have to because the only thing that organises it are lies. The truth blows it apart!
LRH once said at an Advanced Clinical (Criminal) Congress “Look, Don’t Think.” That just never worked for me.
Hey! I saw you looking at some babe! Don’t tell me you don’t look!
Well that’s true, I did look. But I thought an awful lot about her!
Your assessment is correct as per the policies, and I also believe the LRH lie to which you refer. But I know for a fact because I have observed it on several occasions, that all that O/W stuff and conditions were brushed aside with one quick stroke by executives in order to recover a person. I have seen ARC breaks indicated to a recoveree outside of session and not by an auditor.
..”I have seen ARC breaks indicated to a recoveree outside of session and not by an auditor.”….as have I, including indications that an injustice had occurred. There are other real life examples but most of the higher educated (less ignorant) older staff who were a part of those examples left the church long ago for obvious reasons. As long as Hubbard or the tech or the organization is immune to close scrutiny the same old BS will go on internally, but not externally. There is too many of us now for their public utterances to go unanswered.
Whatever it takes… to secure a stat (spelt $) a Scientologist will do anything and to hell with the rules! Consistency is only relevant when it’s got to do with pleasing seniors, or reversely, having a really good excuse for failure ie blaming someone else. Scientologists excel at both, plus there’s always the RPF or for a smarter one – the door!
Superb comment, Doug Parent. Spot on/nail on the head/your metaphor of choice.
Showing up uninvited? HOW RUDE!!!
The cult is nothing if not rude. Asking you the same question, over and over again, after you’ve answeredit, over and over again as “No”. That’s very rude. Polite people accept a “No”, to an invitation, or to an offer to buy something. The smarter cultees know how to ask the same question repeatedly by simply rephrasing it.
It can be quite exasperating but you’re never allowed to show any emotion lower than boredom. You must be patient and polite, no matter how rude they are, no matter how exhausted/busy/exasperated you are at once again having to deal with the same question, this time, possibly from yet a new person.
See, THEY can be rude; you can’t. THEY can waste you time; you need to be friendly and polite.
That’s how that works.
If, after the 12th phone call asking you to buy something or do something or attend some event, you just explode with impatience, you’re in trouble. You’ll get written up.
This is why the Still Ins almost never answer their phones and they have separate emails for just the cult.
I had an entirely different number and a separate phone for years, just for the cult.
If I hadn’t, I would never have gotten any work done. I would have been on the phone with them for one thing or another the entire day and into the night. Figure 10AM to 10PM. roughly.
ts insane. Today I’m amazed that I put up with that alone for so many years.
Thank God for the UTR’s that continue to funnel this stuff to Mike, Tony & the ex-scion community. This notification, like so many others, shows how desperate the cult has become.
I hope the ex-scamologists out there who have their front doors pounded on by these psychos take V.P. Biden’s advice…
Shotgun?
Happy Trails OSD! 😉 Yee ha!
Extra sharp pitchfork?
That’ll work!
I just sent poor Pete this email:
“Hi,
I just saw a communication that you sent out regarding how to recover ARCX scientologists. That sounds like an awfully big job. I think the problem is that once they left, they found the real freedom they had been seeking all along, I know that is true for me. Once I got away from the so called church of scientology, I was so much more free. The outside world is not the scary place we were told and life is actually fun again. I know a lot of exes and they all feel the same way. Just so you know, this is what you’re up against.
By the way, I got your email address from here:
https://www.mikerindersblog.org/its-scary-out-there/
Good luck to you, you are gonna need it.
ML,
One Happy Texan”
I wonder if he’ll respond?
That’s perfect. Let us know if he responds back.
What’s up with the “much love” sign-off on all the culties’ correspondence? Love is the last thing I’d associate with these criminals.
Robotic attempt to be “in PR”
I think ML stands for Much Larceny.
Mostly lying.
That’s funny.
so many lies.
So little time.
To get me some wine.
All of the above and More Lunacy.
Merry Listmis? (You shouldn’t make fun of people who lisp when they write I know – my bad!)
HAH!
“Showing up uninvited and knocking on a door of an ARCXn public…”
They are encouraging members to blatantly invade people’s privacy and harass them, and they wonder why people call them a cult. I don’t know of any other “religion” other than like fundamentalist sects that ARE cults, that try to “recover” ex-members like this.
“You can have huge wins doing this.”
? <- That's all I have to say about that.
Heck, I’d rather put on black pants, a white shirt and black tie and ride my bike around and THEN knock on the doors. That cult has a crazy outer space story too, but they learned a long time ago how to mainstream.
This reeks of desperation to me. Seems as though they may be hemorrhaging members so badly, and with no new “fresh meat” coming through their doors, that their only option to get more people involved is going after those people who have been involved previously (that they have actual information on).
Perhaps a posting on this blog to recover all ex’s on this site. Remember Mick, outflow = inflow!
‘…going after those people who have been involved previously (that they have actual information on).”
Good point, Mick. Blackmail, not the best endorsement for a Church, is it? It’s sounds more like a mafia.
Pete it’s time to sec check the whole staff to uncover the SP(s) who caused the blows in the first place. You are being way too REASONABLE, and due to your squirrel handling, I am including you as one of the possible suspects.
ML,
STK
Director of Planetary Ethics
Office of RTC
Per the LRH policy letter “Recovering Students and Preclears,” 8 of the 9 reasons most people leave are harmful acts by the Church, not the people leaving. Therefore until the Church stops commiting harmful acts against its members, and does something to make up for the damage it has caused, there is no hope for it.
Hey, if it doesn’t hurt, it ain’t Scientology.
The dentist chair is far more appealing than any scientology session, course, or event.
An ingrain toenail is far more preferable than a conversation with a Scientologist.
Scamology and its “church” ARE harmful acts in and of themselves. So people will continue leaving until it is empty. There is no solution to stop it.
“Therefore until the Church stops commiting harmful acts against its members, and does something to make up for the damage it has caused, there is no hope for it.” True and one reason why there is no hope for reform is because Hubbard himself forbade it. Scientology is stuck in a “no change” scenario. What did David Miscavige say once? Oh yes, shooting ducks in a barrel. …….Scientology’s demise is on autopilot.
My 2 Cents… Beautifully stated. You are exactly right.
“For anything to persist it must contain a lie.” – Lron
That pretty much sums it up.
Looks like they are getting desperate for people. Thank you Mike and Leah for getting the real story out there. Can’t wait for season 2.
Looks like! Their desperation is palpable! I mean, when you have to go out and convince people to come back into the fold, you know you’re scraping the bottom of the barrel. And if they’ve seen Aftermath, there’s no way to recover them. Poor little cult.
Forget “recovering” them. These are desperate times. The cult should start “impressing” ex-Scientologists to get them back back. That was the term for the way the British Navy got its necessary sailors back in the 18th century. Some unsuspecting fellow on his way home from the market or something would get clobbered over the head and dragged onto a ship. Presto, he just joined the Navy!
Now, there’s a piece of lost tech!
Maybe we should start up a collection fund for wayward Scientologists, you know… to help ’em along a bit. Must be tough with Aftermath and all. The poor little cult has lost it’s way, bar bar bar…
🙂
The Triple Bar! I’ve been there! Once it took me two days to get out of that bar! My memories are fuzzy….
You’ve still got memories… geezes. What do they feel like? In color?
One more day til Season 2 begins..wow
The clock is ticking
A co-worker sent a client a text today. He has to get something done by tonight or the case will be dismissed. He is not an ex-scientologist. He has, however seen Aftermath. He has picked up some of the lingo. The text said.
tick-tock
“…one of our few FSMs.” To me, FSM means Flying Spaghetti Monster. What does it mean to them?
Forever Stranded Minds.
Lol!
Finding Something Miraculous?
LOL!
Field staff members https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_as_a_business
Field staff members
They work on commission for all the services the recovered person buys.
Thanks!
More like Failed Staff Members. Selecting anyone for service is bound to ultimately fail as it’s based on deception.
FSMs are Fantastically Stupid Masochists or, if you prefer, Felony Stupid Morons 😉
Lol!
“How come they can’t do it?” Because it doesn’t work!
It works when standardly applied. Unfortunately, the standard keeps shifting!
Kinda Whack a Mole. “Standard Tech is here!!! No that wasn’t it… Now it’s over here. No, wait… that was wrong. Some SP F’d it up, now it’s over here.”
Sad thing is you don’t even have a chance at a prize.
It’s never worked. It’s all make believe.
Make believe indeed! I’m OT98 and I’m typing this without a keyboard in a completely black universe while on holiday at the beach with body #4 in the shop getting a facial – so there! I attested to recovery 3 millenniums ago, Scientology completely works, you just have to change the batteries every other day. Geezers, don’t you ever read instructions?
Well, Mr. Smarty Pants, I’m OT 150! I’m not even in this world. I’m part of the universe. HEY I YAWN! CAN YOU HEAR ME?
Who’d you bribe? I have selective hearing you know.
Hey Yawnalot, say hi to LRH for me. You might find him doing the doggie paddle around the Van Allen Belt that encircles Teegeeack.
LRH told me to fuck off some time ago.
What do you think he means by that?
Pete, you’ve got it all wrong. The real recovery is when you leave Scientology for good.
Absolutely! When you walk away, you actually get your life back! You become your real self.
Let’s all email him the links to Mike & Tony’s websites as the absolute minimum ?
Poor Pete. He will never know what hit him
I can’t imagine much that is more frightening than an ‘investment banking’ firm run with WISE
technology
http://www.sokoloffco.com/aboutus/
Yes, can you imagine? All the brokers pressuring their clients to buy/sell by Thursday a t 2PM.? Like, maybe it would be doable for the client the next day, or the following Monday or something, but noooooo, gotta have the stat NOW or the broker becomes downstat…what a nightmare for all concerned
Wanna clean up the field? Lift all SP declares and clean up your own destroyed relationships. Stop making it everyone else’s problem and overts and inspect your own.
Agreed, Mary Kahn.
Beautiful. Your post should be sent directly to Miscavige and every Scientology org on the planet.
Well said Mary. Scientology is busy making the critics wrong however and making itself right, full time job. Too distracted to heed your advice. Too bad. Like in the movie Thelma and Louise, Scientology is in the front seat of the T-Bird with the accelerator pedal Tone-40 to the floor board heading toward the cliff edge all the while asserting it’s rightness.
Yup. Completely unaware of the oncoming cliff.
AND cancel Disconnection policy for good this time.
Goodness it’s a wonder somebody hasn’t exercised their right to bear arms while being chased , harassed and sometimes physically accosted by these people. I wonder if there were any directives on how to deal with recovering somebody who is armed and pointing a firearm at them? Extol the virtues of Scientology while you are running?
Yeah, all you 2nd Amendment people out there might want to…:)
(Sorry, couldn’t resist.)
What? You never practiced the TR drill where you say “put down the gun” with automaton-like intention. Dude! That totally works!
Ha Ha! Forget putting Intention into an ash tray. You know where to put your Tone 40 now! Drill to an RTC pass. Start!
I wonder what the cost will be for the LA “expert”? Surely he hasn’t “volunteered” for no compensation! Conveniently left out of the missive. LOL I’ll bet, too, that he is not very successful at “recovery” himself. It’s much, much harder now due to Mike, Leah, Tony and a host of others…and, of course, the internet. A host of books,too, tend to create more readers salivating to find out the latest outrages of Miscavige & Company.
Interesting. I got a voicemail a while back from Ryan, from the LA Org, stating he was with the Bridge Recovery Unit and that he looked forward to helping me back on the bridge.
The Bridge Recovery Unit. No thanks.
Bridge? What bridge? It’s more like chutes and ladders.
And here I thought the Bridge Recovery Unit was when a group of engineers go out and fix defective bridges. Man, do have a lot to learn or what!
Yes, you do OSD. In the meantime, there’s this bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to talk to you about…such a beautiful deal…
LOL! Mr. Sokoloff needs a huge dose of “recovery” himself. Keep up the great work friend.
What they really need are Tasers & Straight Jackets!
Ooooo! I really like the taser part!
I would love to know what they say as they try to recover someone.
It will go something like “Have you heard about all of the GAG II discoveries that Cee Oh Bee made to streamline the bridge and blah blah blah blah and oh yea, we are winning like never before which is self evident by the amount of lies being spewed by those entheta rats on the internet. Blah blah blah blah lie lie lie lie ………… and let me tell you how wonderful and powerful you are to be able to confront all of the evil out there in the wog world. You need to recover your eeeeternitee before the world blows itself up and blah de blah de blah.
Now, don’t you want to emptee yer wallet and join the fastest growing cult in the you nee verse?
“The more we win, the more SPs scream.” It seems to me that the SPs are laughing.
WOOOAAH!
Laughing their collective asses off!
Amazing. People never complain or protest about something unless its HELPING. The more its helping, the more they protest. Who knew? Time to rewrite all the history books. The Civil Rights Movement, World War II – why, segregation, cross burnings, lynchings and Jim Crow were helping African Americans, so why all the fuss about it from evil SPs? And those Jews and Gypsies were pleased to have been so productive after they were rounded up and shipped Auschwitz while they still had enough strength to be useful to the Nazis, and everyone else so happy for them! Yes, all this good being done, yet the SPs had to howl about it!
Newcomer, you are exactly right. I got a phone call from some guy at the “Los Angeles Call Center” who immediately launched into how COB had “overseen” that Hubbard’s books be brought “back on Source with all errors removed.” The dude on the phone was seriously trying to sell me the Basics because it would reignite my purpose as a Scientologist and get me back on Source.
Thanks, COB! Command Intention! Obviously, shoving the great words and works of David Miscavige straight into the face of a disaffected Scientologist is the BEST WAY to reclaim him!
Newcomer has it.
The patter (script) will be unwavering and uninterruptable. The vocabulary will consist of the basic 600 English words. An accent is probable as English will be their second language, or poorly spoken as from someone who never went to a real school. They are trained not to discuss anything not in the patter: Their responses are limited. They do not accept input not compatible with the patter. They will try to project enthusiasm but the underlying emotion is glee-of-insanity. They will assert certainty, but it is roboticism. The feeble attempt to project affinity and to love bomb you is a drilled outflow with but one agenda: To rip away your self-determinism. To steal your every asset. And, to make their stat before 2 PM Thursday.
So glad all of them are blocked from my phone and email. Occasionally I get a letter from some clueless cult newbie who obviously hasn’t been informed about how evil and dangerous I am. Its so cute and yet I sense their sadness and desperation. I was in for 25 years, The ones who know me know very well why I left. I made no mystery of it. They’re off policy and out tech. They don’t have the nerve to write to me, so they get some new staff member (or somebody) and say, “Why don’t you write to her and see what’s going on? Maybe you can get her back”. Ha ha…”what’s going on”…as if they didn’t know.
@kengullette I’ve been there. They stalked me for six months in an attempt to recover me and I do mean stalked me. How else do you describe hundreds of phone calls over a six month period.
They start out all enthusiastic with reading you KSW. Then ask if that “indicates” to you. They tell you “important things” have happened since you left that you really need to know about. They are pushy and won’t take no for an answer. If you tell one person to go fuck themselves enough they just send in the next one. Telling them to go away is encouragement to them and they double down on their efforts.
Returning mail just means they will send you more unless you use their BRE to send printouts of your favorite blog posts from Mike or Tony’s blogs.
The only way to get them to drop you like a hot potato is to let them know you read the Internet and love and donate regularly to Mike and Tony’s blog and probably now saying you watch and enjoy Aftermath would do it.
Bottom line, if you’re mean, it encourages them. If you’re nice, you can slip in some really harmful data in about thimgs about what it’s really like outside before they catch on that you are *horrors* reading the internet and run away from you in terror.
Valerie, thanks for the hat write up! ?
No problem, enjoy!
Hey, Valerie! I have some mace you can use! But if they insist on harassing you, call me. Don’t be afraid to just call me. Tell me and I’ll be around.
I forestalled all of that by blocking them all from my cell and email when I left. Yes, and that included an awful lot of cell phone numbers and emails. They’re all blocked.
Its like this: if I have a relationship of any kind which I feel is important, I’ll do whatever I can to make it work. I’ll explain myself, I’ll ask questions, I’ll do everything I can to understand and to make myself understood in order to make the relationship work. I’ll give it all I’ve got, because its important.
But if, at some point, and it might take a long time, but at some point if it still doesn’t work, and nothing is getting thru, and I know in my heart I’ve been patient and honest and understandable, then, I give up and walk away, and when I do, I’m done, and I do mean DONE. Not angry, not vindictive, just done. Goodby and good luck. Slam the door on your way out.
And that’s my attitude with the cult. I don’t need or want to hear from them. I tried my best for as long as I could. Now I’m done.
@aqua when I left in the early ’80s, there was no call blocking, and email was not really a “thing” so by the time they started stalking me over 30 years later, I had to start it all from scratch. Yes, they really did wait that long.
Then they really did try to use this sentence on me “well if a pc leaves a session with an ARCX, you would want to find out what had happened and get him back wouldn’t you?”
Yup after more than 30 years, I’m sure if someone comes looking for you you believe they really care that you were upset more than 30 years ago.
@Valerie. I get it. I didn’t know you’d left back in the ’80s. And they tracked you down after 30 years. I can’t believe they used that as an example: A PC with an ARCX who left session. One of their PC’s red-tagged for 3 decades. Time passes, and it somehow occurs to them? did we miss a withold on Valerie? 🙂 OMG, you can’t make it up. You just can’t make this shit UP.
They’ve been calling me for years. And based on the questions they ask, they’re referencing my first auditing from back in 1968. I think they have no clue I was on SO.
Hmm, I have my own taser, and other licensed weapons, not to mention my karate training. However, I love that I have backup, especially with you OSD.
PS, you are welcome whether or not they are stalking me. Come canoeing, watch the herons grab prey and the pelicans and eagles circle.
We capsized the weekend before last and it took us two days to recover the canoe so you would have had some real fun then – rapids are almost as fun as a good riptide.
I’d love to!
God bless the internet.
Another way to discourage them and make them run away with fingers in their ears is to start talking about the OT levels. It’s like garlic to a vampire (and they are vampires).
Aww… OK. I’ll play – I’m recoverable. Come get me… hey, wait a sec, you tried that a couple of times already. It didn’t work out so well if I recall. I remember the look of horror on the staff members faces when I explained the facts of life to them. But I’m a nice guy, really, I am, give it another go, just for old times sake.
Me too I Yawn.
Yo Dave, call me at 209-928-4822. Leave a message if I’m not in. Ill get right back with something I want to donate to You.
Hey guys, I want to play too! For my part, I’ll tell them all about Oat Tee 3! How fun is that?! I want to see them plug their ears and run away…
I bet that’s not money you’re talking about. 😛
That’s a ‘bingo’ Trev! We had friends visiting from out of town and were discussing the recent events of the day from the cult and the dogs must have overheard us as we chortled into the night.
I found the donation on the lawn this morning. Maybe Dave will send His poop recovery unit out to collect the damage….. I mean donation.
Yo Davey pooh,
Howz yer compost heap cookin today good buddy. I expect it may start heatin up later on tomorrow afternoon. Speakin of pooh Dave, do you have any new media material ready for the A&E pee are campaign? Just wonderin!
I’m hanging out for something coming out of SuMP… be worth a giggle or two and will add nicely to the composting Scio image.
Dave,
Can you place a full page ad in the Wall Street Journal to spike the ratings for ‘Aftermath’?
OMG! They might as well call this – ‘Learn how to be the obnoxious, can’t take no for an answer Scnist that everyone loves to hate. Learn how to intrude on people’s lives and harass them for making their own choices and decisions. Help us live up to our rotten reputation in the field…’ Yeah, good one. The desperation in the orgs right now must be palpable.
Mike, I just want to say what a fantastic and invaluable job you and Leah are doing exposing in a BIG way the truth behind all the lies of scn. It’s taken a lot of guts and determination. The healing and inspiration you are creating is beyond measurable, for so many people, myself included. I can’t tell you how good it is to see the organization that was an oppressive controlling force in the first 35 years of my life come crumbling down, because of the work you and others are doing to get the truth out. Thank you so very much.
So much this
And to think Leah got started on this epic path when asking about Shelley Miscavige, and one twit said to her (while protecting an even bigger twit), “You don’t have the f***ing rank.”
It’s like a butterfly flapped its wings in Asia and the end result was a hurricane in North America.
I bet Miscavige would like to have a re-do of Cruise’s wedding day.
This mr. Sokoloff could use a reality-check on the email address that is in the post.
Or would that be mean?
Someone may have to go recover him… 😛
Is there something wrong with it? Can´t see…