As a follow up to Ron’s Saturn quote, Karen De La Carriere sent me this Source reference about heaven.
Ron had really hopped on the crazy train the day he wrote this — it’s so out-there that it doesn’t even appear in the current Tech Volumes.
There is little wonder why — it makes clear his claims that he “has no beef with Christianity” and thinks Jesus was a man of goodwill and that scientology is non-denominational are just more bs.
Here are a few of the choice quotes (not even including the absolutely bizarre date, down to the seconds, when the “implant” occurred).
He gets things off to a rollicking start:
“Well, I have been to heaven.”
It seems though, that heaven was not all it’s cracked up to be:
“So there was a Heaven after all — which is why you are on this planet and were condemned never to be free again — until Scientology.”
He then dives into trashing Christian beliefs — they are all “implanted” into people as a control mechanism:
“The symbol of the crucified Christ is very apt indeed. It’s the symbol of a thetan betrayed.”
He even goes into detail about the “second series of implants” stating it contains:
“An effigy of Joseph, complete with desert clothing, is seen approaching the gates [of Heaven] (but not moving), leading a donkey which “carries” the original Madonna and child from “Bethlehem.””
But it’s towards the end that the really crazy shit starts rolling out — openly talking about overthrowing the “false Gods” of Christianity and other mainstream religions:
“What does this to do any religious nature of Scientology? It strengthens it. New religions always overthrow the false Gods of the old…”
And finally, the icing on the cake. All of this is thoroughly and scientifically researched and requires NO belief. And any “honest” researcher could duplicate his “discoveries.”
“This HCO Bulletin is based on over a thousand hours of research auditing… It is scientific research and not in any way based on the mere opinion of the researcher. This HCO Bulletin is not the result of the belief or beliefs of anyone. Scientology data represents long, arduous and painstaking research over a period of some thirty years into the nature of Man… Truth does not require belief to be truth any more than water requires anyone’s permission to run downhill. The data is itself and can be duplicated by any honest researcher…”
“The content of this HCO Bulletin discover the apparent underlying impulse of religious zealotism and the source of religious mania and insanity which terrorized Earth over the ages and has given religion the appearance of insanity.”
The entire, batshit crazy HCO Bulletin follows. It contains a lot of scientologese, some of it so arcane that most scientologists would be hard pressed to explain it at all.
This is Hubbard completely unhinged…
Do they still buy his brand of cigarettes so they are available when he returns? If he returns as a baby, will he smoke right away?
Whoo! Whoo boy. May 13, 1963. Definitely a Pink & Grey day for Ron.
The SCN cult has a long term belief that cuddling and snuggling up with other religions, including Christian religions would give them advantageous positioning as a bona fide religion,
Little do some of the Christian off shoots know how much Hubbard ridiculed and smeared
Christianity.
Video:
Hubbard : “There was no Christ”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WfNHHn410M
There was no lie too big for LCon to tell. His Xenu story could have been made by a 4th grader. His “research” was time he spent to make stuff up. Surprise he hasn’t returned and neither has anyone else. He kidnapped and threatened to kill one of his daughters and let his 3rd wife take the fall for him and go to prison while he was in hiding. He was a worthless excuse for a human being and that is being kind. It is so very sad that there is a small group of people to this day that still buy into his nonsense.
LRH wasn’t kind.
Hubtard knew Mein Kampf forwards and backwards
“…All this was inspired by the principle – which is quite true within itself – that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods.
It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.”
— Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf vol. I, ch. X
I remember reading that years ago. I believed it then.
Musings:
A large amount of Scientology talks about other peoples “evil.” In Hubbard’s mental condition evil implanters have been implanting for trillions of years trapping people. All of these ideas come from Hubbard’s mind. It’s an interesting and dangerous doctrine, implants, that blame our personal conditions on evil electronic implanters.
Hubbard’s subconscious imaginary hellish distortions are the root cause of all of these strange space opera tales.
Hubbard himself was the implanter. Maybe he wasn’t as dramatic as his implant stories, but he implanted with the e meter. He implanted with hypnotism: Altitude Instruction. And our trust paved the way for him to implant us. He didn’t harm us with electronic voltage, he harmed us with the expertise of a confidence man.
Man…….. did we follow one hell of a whack job supremo!
Scientology is the mental projection of one disturbed hombre.
It takes time to purge Hubbard from the mind. Scientology brain loops can be lodged extremely deep.
May we all be successful at purging this disturbed soul from our minds. Not withstanding all the pain and suffering he caused to families and friends, to me, a successful sign of Hubbard being purged is to be grateful we learned our lesson about giving away our power of reason to the cult of personality.
Hubbard single handedly helped me to develop a highly skilled bs detector.
Another way of purging Hubbard is to study the wisdom of the sages of all time. Comparing Hubbard to true wisemen and women gives a point of comparison that reveals Hubbard’s tremendous psychological damage.
L. Ron Hubbard had issues. A psychiatrist (or a team of psychiatrists) would have had a field day with him.
Hubbard despised Mankind and even went as far as to tear down Christianity, its Eternity and After Life.
Anything, everything and everyone not on Hubbard’s side became his enemy, an enemy to his group, Scientology.
I daresay Hubbard danced with madness.
There’s a whole academic field called “biblical archeology” that says otherwise but …. https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2021/december/biblical-archaeology-top-10-discoveries-new-artifacts-2021.html
Or a less biased towards Christianity reference such as this on the existence of Megiddo
https://oi100.uchicago.edu/levant
And no, I’m not a Christian. I don’t believe in the more miraculous ends or stories, but the basic historical end of it in terms of like there was a huge flood, location of cities, etc. In terms of that in the Christian Bible is actually quite accurate of the time.
Whole track implant my fat half Irish arse.
“And no, I’m not a Christian.”
Neither am I, although I believe in theory in Christian principles. They’re lofty and to be aspired to and practiced when possible. They are beautiful and kind and unselfish and caring. Not always applicable, but certainly high minded.
But then, to be strictly speaking a “Christian”, its not enough to simply believe in and endeavor to practice Christian principles when possible. Oh, no!
To be a Christian one must believe in the magic, i.e, the Virgin Birth, Water Walking, feeding 5 thousand people with 5 fishes and 5 loaves of bread, dying on the cross and coming back to life – Christian magic. Oh, and being the Son of God.
Well, I’ve never believed ANY that.
Jesus, if he existed (SOMEBODY said all those things in the New Testament) if he existed, was a man, a human being, like all of us. He might even have been married. Who knows? And if he was, so what? He was a smart man, a brilliant person, an enlightened being, and very courageous IMHO. He said a lot of smart and true things which resonate with our spiritual natures. So what if he was an earthly man?
But that’s just me. And brother it is SO not Christianity!
I don’t believe in any Christian magic. I never have. And so, although raised a Christian, strictly speaking, I’m not – can’t be – because I don’t believe the woo.
Nor do I believe in any Jewish magic, by the way. Burning bush, parting of the Red Sea, Jonah in a whale’s stomach for 3 days and then coming out just fine, pillar of salt, talking snakes, etc., etc., and on and on.
So what is my point?
Just that people believe all kinds of woo, and so what? Let Scientologists believe Hubbard’s OT woo – Xenu and company, the exploding volcanos, etc. Let people believe that Christ just grew in Mary’s womb with no seed planted there by any man. Let anyone who wants or needs to believe that Jesus died on the cross and came back to life. I mean, Who cares, really? Not me. As long as people don’t get pushy about it, I don’t care. Yeah, OK, Moses commanded the waves and parted the Red Sea…OK…whatever belief sustains and gives comfort – fine! Doesn’t bother me so long as I’m not forced to believe it!
And then, every religion it would appear states unequivocally that THEIR woo is the ONLY woo that MUST without question be believed…or else! DIRE consequences of some kind or another for non belief. Because THEIRS is THE WAY, the ONLY way…it is all just so VERY boring, how so many of them INSIST upon this. Its “our way or the highway” to Heaven, or Everlasting Hellfire, or Another Dark Age…always, always, there’s just ONE way, ONE path, one TRUE path…or else _________________(Fill in the blank for Dire Consequence of Choice.)
Having said all of this, Comparative Religion is a fascinating field of study IMO from the standpoint of data comparison.
End of rant that this turned out to be 🙂
My point was just to point out Hubbard’s idea is patently false, based on at least part of Christianity + Judaism’s history being independently verified by Archaeological + Historical research.
It’s one thing to believe your own choice/flavor of woo that’s unfalsifiable. This is what most religions/spiritual practises (including my own) do. It’s doesn’t prevent one from taking in actual verifiable sources of data if one wants. One maintains the brain plasticity of holding sometimes conflicting points of view. Studies in neuroscience show that skill as an ideal to have regardless of how one developed it.
It’s another thing to claim something as scientifically true when it’s been falsified by actual academic/scientific research (what Hubbard’s doing here). It actually prevents one from developing critical thinking skills, etc. That’s actively harmful!
“My way or highway” in other religions is also actively harmful for basically the same set of reasons (preventing plasticity, creating black/white thinking, preventing critical thinking, etc.)
A few of the Levant Archaeologists I know are even Atheists. Thinking in different modes to one’s primary way of thinking is healthy and should be encouraged. Comparative Religion is one subject for that, but so is History, most of the Social Sciences, Biology, etc.
Some beliefs are neutral and just aid one in developing plasticity, multimodal thinking, etc. Others are cultic and actively harmful to one’s (especially brain) health. It’s important to allow freedom of diversity in the former and curtail the latter, for the sake of that.
“Good Lord, I’d hate to be guilty of that overt. But never mind – you aren’t either. That guy is GONE (I hope!)”
Oh, but hubbsy-wubbsy, that “guy” was also a thetan, so why would he be gone?
That he ends with “Good Lord” is just icing on the cake.
This was never marked confidential, so has been kicking around. When I was a Flag Course Supervisor and student at Flag, Dec 1975 til summer 1983, I saw this HCOB two or three times, and didn’t understand it.
Before the Tech Volumes came out, at Flag, we had the “HCOB Packs” the “HCOPL Packs” and “Flag Order Packs” and so forth, all on a couple of folding tables for the students in the course room to visit.
These “packs” of issues were popular. Some writings, this one today, was still considered iffy, even though it was not technically confidential.
It didn’t get put into the red volumes. But it was kicking around, and I think the Apollo and earlier era training people at Saint Hill didn’t outright ban it, but it was not in our HCOB packs for our course room.
But it kept showing up, and I think would be put in the packs, and then disappear, since I think the GO didn’t like it being out.
Also, years later, when in 1989, I was promoted to be in the Tech Compilations Branch, it was not considered confidential, but it was also not put in the 1991 edition of the Red Volumes.
And it was okay to read it, I read it in 1989 in the Tech Compilations Branch offices, but I didn’t place much in it. It’s obviously making LRH look nutty, rightfully. It’s kind of the nutty stuff that is believable, if you buy into us all being souls who lifetime to lifetime go galavanting as souls throughout the universe popping up everywhere we supposedly popped up, in our past lives.
That was the adventure part of past lives and future lives of the soul, beliefs.
It’s even way worse.
In the re-release of the NED Course in the 1980s, there was a “Individual Track Map” booklet, and it has the full HCOB from one of the LRH long long ones, with the whole “Track Map” and listing out the time track going back into ridiculous time zones.
That’s not confidential either.
That needs putting on Wikileaks, and today’s HCOB ought go on Wikileaks also.
Mike, I hope someone sends you the “Individual Track Map” booklet, or you dig it out of the Red Volumes, where it is anyways!!!
Ok found it https://stss.nl/stss-materials/English/Books%20Original%20PDF%20Scan%20OCR/Individual%20Track%20Map%201952.pdf
1 Trillion years ago … hahaha … anything material before 13.7 billion years ago is impossible per physics as that’s when the material universe began so no bodies before then possible. Immortal energy souls, sure (possible though unlikely) but bodies … nope.
It seems like scientology was so long ago now, but I don’t remember reading this at the time either. Could’ve saved myself heaps of trouble if I did though 🙁
Great link, thanks.
In the mid to late 1980s also, there was a whole big booklet workbook, of this issue you linked to, made look neater, and it’s about 5/8ths of an inch thick workbook, and it was part of the materials you buy when you buy the modern NED Course Packs for your NED Course purchased books to go with doing the NED Course. You would buy this “Individual Track Map” workbook which had this issue and a few other things in the workbook, it was purple colored like the NED Course Pack, matching colors and design.
By having this Individual Track Map workbook as part of the NED Course, it was to entice people to do their own recording in the workbook, what long ago incidents they would discover when going back wholetrack into their own past lives, during their NED auditing.
It just never took off, obviously.
But that nice neat workbook that went with the NED Course materials, is still kicking around out there.
LRH visited heaven but no one asked him to stay. I wonder how he is enjoying the much warmer place he ended up in…or did he also research and visit hell? 😂
Seriously? Hubbard was clever in one thing…taking his science fiction writing skills to create a scam religion to make a lot more money than he would have if he had stuck with just writing. He lived in his own created reality. Shame others got caught up in it.
LRH may have been a bad writer. At the same time LRH was whining about receiving a penny a word for writing for the pulps the late Ayn Rand was living in a single family home in the Los Angeles area. Rand also had one of her novels, The Fountainhead, adapted as a motion picture starring Gary Cooper and Patricia O’Neill.
j Lee, I’m not defending Hubbard but the fact is that all organized religions throughout the millenia are and have been science fiction of one sort or another, and the people who were in charge of these religions made major decisions based wholly on financial considerations.
Don’t think I don’t believe in God. I do. Totally. IMO its impossible NOT to believe in God. To me, just observing life furnishes constant proof of what we call “God”.
But then “God” is just a name for some power or force outside of the physical universe. There have been many names for this power, many explanations, and they’ve all been made up and codified by humans. And what “God” is has inumerable explanations as well including the theory that there are many powers, many gods, each having dominion over certain activities.
But – and this is just me, my opinion – whether the philosophies are monotheistic or polytheistic, they’re just theories, and people made them up, and then these theories coalesced into philosophies, and then these philosophies crystalised into religions.
And please, if all of this this comes across as condescending or intolerant of others’ beliefs and practices, please don’t think that.
I’m not intolerant, honestly.
I even have my own brand of woo and I’m now going to make you all laugh at me because I find it very comforting, my own particular private woo.
When I’m really worried about something or puzzled, I throw coins to get Hexagrams from the I Ching. Yes I do this! Say what you will, it never gives me bad advice 🙂 And when I really concentrate, and put my mind in a place of wanting to know what is the best way, the right way to handle something, the correct all around way to tackle a problem, aside from what I WANT to do or WANT to have happen – when I put my mind in this “place” while asking a question and throwing the coins, I’l tell you, I get some amazing answers! And I feel comforted and strengthened!
So now you all know MY woo 🙂
Well, what can one say? The “show must go on,” was taken from the completely bizarre to the completely insanely bizarre on steroids by Hubbard, and to think he preached this stuff with a straight face.
I truly feel sorry for the poor souls trapped onboard a ship with that maniac!
Guess we’ve all been wrong in life when we utter out loudly in astonishment, “My God!” Technically we should be screaming out, “Our God of 43,000,000,000,000 years ago!!” One could go into the day & second scenario to be truly accurate and on source though.
Thanks (I think) Karen for sharing this HCOB. The fact I could mostly follow it truly disturbs me. One thing for sure, you’re never quite the same again after Scientology.
To: Mike Rinder
From: David Miscavige COB RTC
Re: calling LRH insane.
YOU HAVE THE AUDACITY TO CALL OUR BELOVED FOUNDER INSANE? THERE WAS NOTHING INSANE ABOUT L RON HUBBARD! HE WAS THE MOST SANE MAN TO EVER EXIST! SECOND TO ME, OF COURSE. AT ANY RATE, I WILL NOT TOLERATE ANY MORE ABUSE OF THE FOUNDER OF SCIENTOLOGY! AND IF ANYONE OUT THERE IS ENTERTAINING THE IDEA OF STUFFING ME IN A TRASH CAN HEAD FIRST, BE ADVISED THAT YOU WILL BE DEALT WITH! THIS GOES ESPECIALLY FOR YOU, ANGRY GAY POPE!
ML,
Dave.
To: David Miscavige COB RTC
From.: Alcoboy
Re: above comment.
Let’s see. Curbside trash container, check. 2 ply trash bag in case he throws up…………..
No love at all,
Alcoboy.
Good way to put it.
30 years of research means he started in 1933? Not that he ever published the research for any of it in any form an honest researcher would recognise.
“communicate with a beetle under a rock” lmao – Free us Ron!
An honest researcher would conclude that LRH was insane.
It’s a well-researched, scientific fact.
With mounds of evidence to back it up!
And supported by mountains of evidence!
Truth is truth. Water doesn’t need permission to run downhill. Therefore, what I say here is true.
That must have been some goooood drugs he was on. Really good drugs.
LRH may have been on drugs. So were the authors of The Illuminatus! trilogy. At least they had the decency to say they were writing fiction.
And LRH was writing hay processed through the bowels of a male bovine if one asks me.
If you mean the trilogy written by Robert Anton Wilson and Robert Shea (which I read waaay back in the mid-70’s) and thought they were deliriously bizarre and hilarious. I recently, about six months ago, reread them and they are still as much fun.
Hubbard, on the other hand, was a paranoid narcissist with seriously creepy sex issues, along with a booze and drug addiction who became more and more nucking futs as he got older!
I once wrote abut it in an unpubished novel.
Illuminatus(!) By Robert Anton Wilson and Robert Shea. This three volume novel is a very loose adaptation of The Beatles movie Yellow Submarine which was written by a pair of hack writers on the staff of Playboy magazine who were clearly under the influence of Irish novelist James Joyce and some very serious drugs. As a result the authors had some very serious problems with the concepts of character, plot, brevity, as well as reality in general.
And booze. Don’t forget the booze.